Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Confronting the shadow of spiritual dysfunction

2009-03-08 Thread Vaj


On Mar 8, 2009, at 10:12 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:


Thanks for posting these Kornfield quotes, Vaj.
I don't know him, but will now work to correct
that. Can you recommend a good book to start
with?



I've only read After the Ecstasy, The Laundry: How the Heart Grows  
Wise on the Spiritual Path. It's about what happens after one glimpses  
enlightenment and how 'there are no enlightened people, only  
enlightened action'. It also details many of the pitfalls of the  
spiritual path and many groups. I understand his other books are quite  
good too, but I've only heard the occasional talk over the years.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Confronting the shadow of spiritual dysfunction

2009-03-08 Thread Vaj

On Mar 8, 2009, at 2:09 PM, grate.swan wrote:

 I wrote the above, thinking, well yeah! Speak the sweet truth,  
 water the root -- that does explain my perception of some in the TMO  
 who seem in denial and on an artificial cloud 9.

 Then I thought some more -- questioning if there might be some merit  
 to using the Maharishis' tools to solve problems of growth,  
 transition and cognitive dissonance withing the TMO.

 The TMO appears to promote non-confrontation with the problem  
 itself. This could manifest in denial -- or a martial arts / tantric  
 type focus on transforming what you have into something more useful.

 The Esctasy article was interesting in this regard. Reconciling huge  
 trauma -- really awful shit most of us can't imagine -- with the  
 introduction (new element / turning on the light) o deep love,  
 compassion, sympathy and empathy for the situation, its players and  
 victims. Which by the accounts of the article, seems to work (at  
 lest for some).

 I am neither a TM apologist or a critic. But I like to see if there  
 is something useful in things -- even if there are less useful  
 elements. (Sparking teeth of the dead dog). Its not pollyannish, its  
 pragmatic.

 Thus the question: is an appropriate, internal (within the TMO) TMO  
 rules-based approach a valid way for TMO's to deal with cognitive  
 dissonance, scandals, etc?

- not denying the problem (when practiced honestly) but rather a  
 focus on a solutions-focused approach and not the phenomena itself.

   - that has some merits in disengaging from the emotions of a  
 situation -- which can powerfully sway one from clear thinking.

- it can (ideally) allow acceptance of the issue without getting  
 all judgemental. Unconditional acceptance. No drama.

 - a recognition of the complexity of life and the need fo  
 holistic solutions -- not piecemeal. Not band-aids on the kids arm  
 everyday -- but rather teaching him to tie his shoelaces and look  
 where he is going. Provide the fishing pole and not the fish to  
 hungry third-worlders.

 - a patience to let things work themselves out once the initial  
 correct conditions are established. Not focussing on each detail of  
 the healing process itself.

 - faith -- a word I don't care for much -- or track record and  
 extrapolation. Thus, TM works for me, thus I will tend to believe  
 the less provable claims -- based on the track record.


 What I am thinking, not yet resolved, is that the tools of the TMO  
 used by TMOers in solving TMO problems may trigger a different  
 response than we might choose, understand or care for. But, giving  
 some nod to cultural diversity and flexibility, our ways may not be  
 perfect, and theirs may not be also. But is their approach totally  
 bogus and naive?


My guess is, if anyone in the TM org--certainly while MMY was alive,  
and probably today as well--tried to confront the situation in the  
same healthy way they did with Amrit Desai, they'd be immediately  
ousted. Bags packed for them. Let's face it: totalitarian regimes  
don't respond well to input that goes against the grain. In order to  
reform the TM org you'd naturally be faced with the fact that not only  
was MMY very wrong in many things he did and many things he said, he  
was also imperfect and just a normal human being. You'd be forced face- 
to-face with his unenlightenment.

IME TB types develop unconscious defense mechanisms that allow them to  
navigate around these areas of difficulty. After all, these are often  
very intelligent people. How could they simply miss things that were  
intuitively or so obviously incorrect? One way is to simply navigate  
away from areas of cognitive dissonance instinctively. Another way to  
do this is to slavishly believe everything the teacher says as if he  
was the voice of God Almighty, not a Hindu salesman in silk. Another  
way is to isolate yourself, the mushroom effect if you will: keep in  
the dark and let them feed you shit. Avoid other teachers or if you do  
hear another teacher and they conflict, always take your teachers  
side. My teacher restored the tradition and what came before is the  
improper tradition, is an easy track to ride on when these situations  
present themselves. Also don't read outside material or source  
materials. This is one reason why TM org ideas, while drawn  
extensively from Hindu sources, deliberately don't quote the actual  
sources. The only way you typically get to these sources (if at all)  
is to make it into the TM Org Master of Vedic Science program. And the  
only people who could ever make it into such a track would be a total  
TB.



Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Confronting the shadow of spiritual dysfunction

2009-03-08 Thread Vaj


On Mar 8, 2009, at 4:50 PM, yateendrajee wrote:


Re: Amrit Desai and Kripalu Center.

Our ashram (about which serious ethical questions regarding the  
leadership were raised) had a kind of informal friendship with the  
Kripalu Center (Amrit Desai's former group), so I studied its  
recovery with interest. I felt very happy about how much better the  
Kripalu resolved the crisis than about how we basically avoided  
ours, but am uncomfortable that Amrit Desai continued in the guru  
business.


One thing which troubles me is how gurus, after they've been  
busted (for acts of hypocrisy) often eventually become gurus again  
without mentioning anything about their past mistakes. Amrit Desai's  
new website:


http://www.amrityoga.com/

...offers (so far as I can tell) no narration of his shady past  
(although Kripalu Center is mentioned) which included unhappy  
episodes of a sexual nature.


While it is very understandable that he doesn't want people to know  
about his past mistakes, I would prefer that prospective students be  
able to judge the background themselves, to help balance their  
possibly very positive emotional response to the ashram environment.


In many areas of civic life, government requires that fiduciaries  
provide disclosure of risks their clients are subject to. In many  
areas of the country, the whereabouts of sexual predators are  
disclosed to the community. How about some disclosure requirements  
for gurus?



Fascinating insight. Perhaps we should call it the Jimmy Swaggart  
effect or the Ted Haggard effect?