Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Photo series shows how we see people in our minds vs. how they really are
On 10/5/2014 7:08 PM, s3raph...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Re I think it was highly inappropriate for Dan to go all nuclear over Jedi's comment.: Abso-bloody-lutely. I hate it when people call in the censorious brigade (like the ADL) when they encounter views they violently disagree with. /Yeah, that would account for all the complaints about my posting numbers. / By the logic of my liberal (in the old-fashioned sense of the word - not your American bastardization of the term) position I can't approve of Dan or Jedi being banned from FFL of course. And I don't approve. Allow people to say what they think and damn themselves from their own mouths. /Thanks for making my case - now maybe they will keep their big pie holes shut about me posting./
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Photo series shows how we see people in our minds vs. how they really are
On 10/5/2014 3:43 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Me, I'm still of the opinion that the moment *anyone, anywhere* allows something that someone has said about his or her beliefs to get to them and make them all angry and outraged, they LOSE, /So, why did you get so all angry at me for asking you about the flying and the levitation events?// // //You really LOST it when I questioned your claim that Rama could levitate in mid air with no visible means of physical support. Nobody is doubting you saw this magic trick, but it was probably just an illusion. No need to get upset about talking about your spiritual experiences - lot's of people have para-normal experiences in their life. Some people have experienced deja vu, or alien abductions - it's nothing to be ashamed of. // // //Just try to remember they are not real but just hallucinations, Barry - and try not to get so upset about others talking about your religious beliefs./
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Photo series shows how we see people in our minds vs. how they really are
On 10/5/2014 3:43 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: So IMO during this latest kerfuffle Jedi was just being an annoying Internet troll by trolling religious fanatic Jews. /That's one way to look at it, but some people might think you mean that you got rid of the annoying Jew and that all Jews are fanatics.//Sometimes it's not what you say that is offensive, it's what you inadvertently imply without even realizing it./ /IMO./
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Photo series shows how we see people in our minds vs. how they really are
On 10/5/2014 3:43 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Jedi was merely expressing his opinion, no matter how crudely or stupidly. Dan was trying to force other people to do what *he* wanted them to do. Given a choice, I'd rather live with foul-mouthed critics like Jedi than live with the insane people like Dan /Ad hominem is the second to last resort of someone who is losing a debate and is unable to respond with legitimacy. The last resort, most difficult for the ego, is to consider that he might be wrong./
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Photo series shows how we see people in our minds vs. how they really are
On 10/5/2014 3:43 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: First, by reacting that strongly in the first place, they have *proved* themselves to be religious fanatics who are pretty seriously attached to the dogma and beliefs that have been taught to them. /Your strong reaction to my questioning your levitation claims was to complain, run, hide, ignore, go to Rick, make folders and filters, and try to get others to not read or respond to my messages. So, you have proved to be one of the biggest religious fanatics on the whole FFL list. You must be seriously attached to your dogma and beliefs, to react that strongly to a simple question or two. Go figure./
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Photo series shows how we see people in our minds vs. how they really are
On 10/5/2014 3:43 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Second, by trying to silence those saying the things they don't like, they have *proved* themselves to be fundamentalist, oppressive religious fanatics, willing to harm others for the sin of (wait for it) not taking them seriously. /It sure looks to me like you were trying to silence me when I asked you to explain how Fred Lenz was able to lo get you to pay big bucks to meet him a State Park with 200 other hippies in the middle of the night, when the park was closed. So, I guess you didn't like what I said so you got upset. Now it looks like you're the proven True Believer, and the fundamentalist willing to silence anyone who doesn't support your para-normal claims. Nobody takes you seriously anymore when you try to brag about witnessing somebody levitate. I'd believe in fairies or alien crop-circles before I'd believe that Fred Lenz could slowly float up up off of a sofa hundreds of times in the desert./
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Photo series shows how we see people in our minds vs. how they really are
From: s3raph...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, October 5, 2014 3:43 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Photo series shows how we see people in our minds vs. how they really are Re The Jews are very aggressive about any antisemitism and could get someone at Yahoo freaked enough to close FFL down. It may not be right to surrender, but it does avoid the danger not yet come.: And Muslims are very aggressive about Islamophobia (you've been watching the news recently, yes?). By following your policy of appeasing Jews and Muslims who decide to take offence at disparaging remarks about their faiths we'll be back in the Dark Ages. The great advantage of the internet is that at long last we've (more or less) circumvented the controls imposed by politicians, priests and policemen to stop us saying what we *really* think. Boy, does that annoy them. Let's keep it that way. Some people can comment on the stupidity of other people's religions from a rational point of view without the hatred factor creeping into it. For example, when Jedi comments about Jews, it's hatred; when Nabby comments about Buddhists, it's hatred. When Dr. House commented about religion, it was entertainment, and averaged 15 million viewers a week: Gregory House On Religion Gregory House On Religion View on www.youtube.com Preview by Yahoo
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: s3raphita@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, October 5, 2014 3:43 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Photo series shows how we see people in our minds vs. how they really are Re The Jews are very aggressive about any antisemitism and could get someone at Yahoo freaked enough to close FFL down. It may not be right to surrender, but it does avoid the danger not yet come.: And Muslims are very aggressive about Islamophobia (you've been watching the news recently, yes?). By following your policy of appeasing Jews and Muslims who decide to take offence at disparaging remarks about their faiths we'll be back in the Dark Ages. The great advantage of the internet is that at long last we've (more or less) circumvented the controls imposed by politicians, priests and policemen to stop us saying what we *really* think. Boy, does that annoy them. Let's keep it that way. Some people can comment on the stupidity of other people's religions from a rational point of view without the hatred factor creeping into it. For example, when Jedi comments about Jews, it's hatred; when Nabby comments about Buddhists, it's hatred. When Dr. House commented about religion, it was entertainment, and averaged 15 million viewers a week: Didn't know that show was so much fun, some of those quotes are really good. Shame I won't be able to get away with using them on here now ;-) Gregory House On Religion https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJwhqhqBtbo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJwhqhqBtbo Gregory House On Religion https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJwhqhqBtbo View on www.youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJwhqhqBtbo Preview by Yahoo
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From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: s3raphita@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, October 5, 2014 3:43 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Photo series shows how we see people in our minds vs. how they really are Re The Jews are very aggressive about any antisemitism and could get someone at Yahoo freaked enough to close FFL down. It may not be right to surrender, but it does avoid the danger not yet come.: And Muslims are very aggressive about Islamophobia (you've been watching the news recently, yes?). By following your policy of appeasing Jews and Muslims who decide to take offence at disparaging remarks about their faiths we'll be back in the Dark Ages. The great advantage of the internet is that at long last we've (more or less) circumvented the controls imposed by politicians, priests and policemen to stop us saying what we *really* think. Boy, does that annoy them. Let's keep it that way. Some people can comment on the stupidity of other people's religions from a rational point of view without the hatred factor creeping into it. For example, when Jedi comments about Jews, it's hatred; when Nabby comments about Buddhists, it's hatred. When Dr. House commented about religion, it was entertainment, and averaged 15 million viewers a week: Didn't know that show was so much fun, some of those quotes are really good. Shame I won't be able to get away with using them on here now ;-) Yeah, House was full of great one-liners, most of them spoken by Hugh Laurie. His character was the ultimate rational man trying to get by in a world full of irrational people. What I love, trying to lay low and allow this tempest in a pisspot to work itself out without me, is that a few people here claiming to be all faux-outraged that Michael is insulting their religion (TM) are the *same* people who, any other day, would be claiming that TM is *not* a religion and could never be construed to be. :-) Me, I'm still of the opinion that the moment *anyone, anywhere* allows something that someone has said about his or her beliefs to get to them and make them all angry and outraged, they LOSE, for two reasons. First, by reacting that strongly in the first place, they have *proved* themselves to be religious fanatics who are pretty seriously attached to the dogma and beliefs that have been taught to them. Second, by trying to silence those saying the things they don't like, they have *proved* themselves to be fundamentalist, oppressive religious fanatics, willing to harm others for the sin of (wait for it) not taking them seriously. Insanity. So IMO during this latest kerfuffle Jedi was just being an annoying Internet troll by trolling religious fanatic Jews. Dan, on the other hand, was trying to be a dictatorial bastard by trying to threaten Rick for not silencing him. Jedi was merely willing to diss religious fanatics. Dan was being *such* a dictatorial bastard that he was willing to try to get Yahoo to censure Fairfield Life or take it down because people on it were saying some things he didn't like. *That*, I am pretty sure, is what pushed Rick to act. In his own sick, twisted way, Dan was trying to do exactly the same thing that other asshole from the past was doing when he posted porn to FFL and then reported it to Yahoo, again in an attempt to get it taken down, and again for the same reason -- he didn't like what some people were saying about things he was attached to. Jedi was merely expressing his opinion, no matter how crudely or stupidly. Dan was trying to force other people to do what *he* wanted them to do. Given a choice, I'd rather live with foul-mouthed critics like Jedi than live with the insane people like Dan. But Rick made the wisdom of Solomon choice and got rid of BOTH of them. Win-win. Congratulations, Rick. Gregory House On Religion Gregory House On Religion View on www.youtube.com Preview by Yahoo Gregory House On Religion View on www.youtube.com Preview by Yahoo
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Yeah, House was full of great one-liners, most of them spoken by Hugh Laurie. His character was the ultimate rational man trying to get by in a world full of irrational people. What I love, trying to lay low and allow this tempest in a pisspot to work itself out without me, is that a few people here claiming to be all faux-outraged that Michael is insulting their religion (TM) are the *same* people who, any other day, would be claiming that TM is *not* a religion and could never be construed to be. :-) I know, and the abuse we rationalists get! If I gave a damn it might annoy me but I don't even notice, I think that to be annoyed at someone criticising your beliefs you have to be worried about their validity but relying on them for a sense of yourself. I think this is why British Muslims wanted the blasphemy law extended to Islam rather having it scrapped altogether like the rest of the country did - The reasonable majority anyway - If your beliefs are protected you don't have to worry about whether they are true. Then the Christians said that if Muslims can get what they want by whining and protesting, they were going to do it too. But something in the English national consciousness told them it wasn't really the done thing and they went back to village fetes and tea on the vicarage lawn which is all the religion the rest of us can cope with. Better to abandon beliefs and stick to the known and the unknown and all the various shades between the two. And know that all knowledge is patterns that either correspond to reality or they don't, so get ready to change them every now and again. Not much of a rallying call though... Me, I'm still of the opinion that the moment *anyone, anywhere* allows something that someone has said about his or her beliefs to get to them and make them all angry and outraged, they LOSE, for two reasons. First, by reacting that strongly in the first place, they have *proved* themselves to be religious fanatics who are pretty seriously attached to the dogma and beliefs that have been taught to them. Second, by trying to silence those saying the things they don't like, they have *proved* themselves to be fundamentalist, oppressive religious fanatics, willing to harm others for the sin of (wait for it) not taking them seriously. Insanity. So IMO during this latest kerfuffle Jedi was just being an annoying Internet troll by trolling religious fanatic Jews. Dan, on the other hand, was trying to be a dictatorial bastard by trying to threaten Rick for not silencing him. Jedi was merely willing to diss religious fanatics. Dan was being *such* a dictatorial bastard that he was willing to try to get Yahoo to censure Fairfield Life or take it down because people on it were saying some things he didn't like. *That*, I am pretty sure, is what pushed Rick to act. In his own sick, twisted way, Dan was trying to do exactly the same thing that other asshole from the past was doing when he posted porn to FFL and then reported it to Yahoo, again in an attempt to get it taken down, and again for the same reason -- he didn't like what some people were saying about things he was attached to. Jedi was merely expressing his opinion, no matter how crudely or stupidly. Dan was trying to force other people to do what *he* wanted them to do. Given a choice, I'd rather live with foul-mouthed critics like Jedi than live with the insane people like Dan. But Rick made the wisdom of Solomon choice and got rid of BOTH of them. Win-win. Congratulations, Rick. Jedi was definitely in a funny mood recently, really uncompromising. Maybe he was just having a bad week, I'd never noticed such vehemence in him before. Losing Dan just means there's one less tedious git to scroll past, which might save Rick some money on my eventual RSI lawsuit ;-) Gregory House On Religion https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJwhqhqBtbo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJwhqhqBtbo Gregory House On Religion https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJwhqhqBtbo View on www.youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJwhqhqBtbo Preview by Yahoo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJwhqhqBtbo Gregory House On Religion https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJwhqhqBtbo View on www.youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJwhqhqBtbo Preview by Yahoo
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From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com Yeah, House was full of great one-liners, most of them spoken by Hugh Laurie. His character was the ultimate rational man trying to get by in a world full of irrational people. What I love, trying to lay low and allow this tempest in a pisspot to work itself out without me, is that a few people here claiming to be all faux-outraged that Michael is insulting their religion (TM) are the *same* people who, any other day, would be claiming that TM is *not* a religion and could never be construed to be. :-) I know, and the abuse we rationalists get! If I gave a damn it might annoy me but I don't even notice, I think that to be annoyed at someone criticising your beliefs you have to be worried about their validity but relying on them for a sense of yourself. I think this is why British Muslims wanted the blasphemy law extended to Islam rather having it scrapped altogether like the rest of the country did - The reasonable majority anyway - If your beliefs are protected you don't have to worry about whether they are true. Why do you think so many moved to the middle of butt-fuck Iowa? Gather enough people around you who all believe in the same crazy things, and you can pretend you're not crazy. It's a form of belief-safety-in-numbers. :-) ... Losing Dan just means there's one less tedious git to scroll past, which might save Rick some money on my eventual RSI lawsuit ;-) H. Suing Fairfield Life for Repetitive Stress Injury for forcing us to click past hundreds of posts from Dan and Willytex every week. I'd be willing to participate in that class-action lawsuit if it would send Richard to the same purgatory that Jedi and Dan now live in. H again. Ponder THAT -- an alternative cyberuniverse where people go when they've either been kicked off of Fairfield Life, or have decided to leave of their own volition. That could actually be entertaining -- Ravi and Dan and Vaj and Judy and Jedi and Sally Sunshine and Robin and occasionally Curtis, all hangin' out in the same bar, *having* to be fairly nice to each because they don't dare offend the moderator of The CyberPurgatory Saloon. If you get kicked out of that place for acting out, there is no place left for you on the Internet. :-) :-) :-) Gregory House On Religion View on www.youtube.com Preview by Yahoo
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com Yeah, House was full of great one-liners, most of them spoken by Hugh Laurie. His character was the ultimate rational man trying to get by in a world full of irrational people. House is a fascinating character. Brilliant, bitter, cynical, drug-addicted and angry as hell. But he is great to watch in his role as such. However, rational is not the term I would use to describe him given those characteristics. bawee's definition of a rational person seems to be one who sneers and smirks and belittles others ideas and beliefs. Someone who conceives of nothing beyond what you can eventually measure or place in a test tube. Now that just might be irrational.
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Ann, the problem with belittling people is that then their ideas get belittled
too, ideas which might be useful to others. Like how MJ ridicules TM, showing
no concern for people who might be helped by it. Like the way you belittled my
comment about colloidal silver and ebola when doctors have already been using
it to treat the disease. In case you haven't seen it before, here's the article
again:Governments seize colloidal silver being used to treat Ebola patients,
says advocate
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On Sunday, October 5, 2014 8:35 AM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com
[FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :
From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
Yeah, House was full of great one-liners, most ofthem spoken by HughLaurie.
His character was the ultimate rational man trying to get by in a worldfull of
irrational people.
House is a fascinating character. Brilliant, bitter, cynical, drug-addicted and
angry as hell. But he is great to watch in his role as such. However,
rational is not the term I would use to describe him given those
characteristics. bawee's definition of a rational person seems to be one who
sneers and smirks and belittles others ideas and beliefs. Someone who conceives
of nothing beyond what you can eventually measure or place in a test tube. Now
that just might be irrational.
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Ann, the problem with belittling people is that then their ideas get belittled too, ideas which might be useful to others. Like how MJ ridicules TM, showing no concern for people who might be helped by it. Like the way you belittled my comment about colloidal silver and ebola when doctors have already been using it to treat the disease. In case you haven't seen it before, here's the article again: Governments seize colloidal silver being used to treat Ebola patients, says advocate http://www.naturalnews.com/047101_ebola_colloidal_silver_government_seizure.html http://www.naturalnews.com/047101_ebola_colloidal_silver_government_seizure.html Governments seize colloidal silver being used to treat E... http://www.naturalnews.com/047101_ebola_colloidal_silver_government_seizure.html Governments seize colloidal silver being used to treat Ebola patients, says advocate View on www.naturalnews.com http://www.naturalnews.com/047101_ebola_colloidal_silver_government_seizure.html Preview by Yahoo Share, again I beg of you not to take yourself and your ideas so seriously all the time. Take what I was giggling at in context. When you mention that we should all be taking a spot of echinecea tea as a prevention for Ebola you have to be able to see how someone might find that a tad humorous. How does this become a big deal and cause you to launch into your belittlement post above? You allow others to call you a dipshit bliss ninny yet take offense at my having laughed at the tea comment.
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Ann, my bad! We should all just ignore the whole ebola thing and not do
anything stay healthy! As I indicated, I don't mind what people call me. Except
if it prevents a beneficial idea from being implemented, an idea that can
alleviate or prevent human suffering. Again, my bad for taking that seriously!
On Sunday, October 5, 2014 11:00 AM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com
[FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :
Ann, the problem with belittling people is that then their ideas get belittled
too, ideas which might be useful to others. Like how MJ ridicules TM, showing
no concern for people who might be helped by it. Like the way you belittled my
comment about colloidal silver and ebola when doctors have already been using
it to treat the disease. In case you haven't seen it before, here's the article
again:Governments seize colloidal silver being used to treat Ebola patients,
says advocate
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colloidal silver being used to treat Ebola patients, says advocate |
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Share, again I beg of you not to take yourself and your ideas so seriously all
the time. Take what I was giggling at in context. When you mention that we
should all be taking a spot of echinecea tea as a prevention for Ebola you have
to be able to see how someone might find that a tad humorous. How does this
become a big deal and cause you to launch into your belittlement post above?
You allow others to call you a dipshit bliss ninny yet take offense at my
having laughed at the tea comment.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Photo series shows how we see people in our minds vs. how they really are
Makes sense Sal, except you appear to be the guy who would doubt his actual experience of something if it didn't adhere to some tenant of your scientific beliefs. Unfortunately if often makes you look foolish, and dogmatic, not to mention omniscient. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Yeah, House was full of great one-liners, most of them spoken by Hugh Laurie. His character was the ultimate rational man trying to get by in a world full of irrational people. What I love, trying to lay low and allow this tempest in a pisspot to work itself out without me, is that a few people here claiming to be all faux-outraged that Michael is insulting their religion (TM) are the *same* people who, any other day, would be claiming that TM is *not* a religion and could never be construed to be. :-) I know, and the abuse we rationalists get! If I gave a damn it might annoy me but I don't even notice, I think that to be annoyed at someone criticising your beliefs you have to be worried about their validity but relying on them for a sense of yourself. I think this is why British Muslims wanted the blasphemy law extended to Islam rather having it scrapped altogether like the rest of the country did - The reasonable majority anyway - If your beliefs are protected you don't have to worry about whether they are true. Then the Christians said that if Muslims can get what they want by whining and protesting, they were going to do it too. But something in the English national consciousness told them it wasn't really the done thing and they went back to village fetes and tea on the vicarage lawn which is all the religion the rest of us can cope with. Better to abandon beliefs and stick to the known and the unknown and all the various shades between the two. And know that all knowledge is patterns that either correspond to reality or they don't, so get ready to change them every now and again. Not much of a rallying call though... Me, I'm still of the opinion that the moment *anyone, anywhere* allows something that someone has said about his or her beliefs to get to them and make them all angry and outraged, they LOSE, for two reasons. First, by reacting that strongly in the first place, they have *proved* themselves to be religious fanatics who are pretty seriously attached to the dogma and beliefs that have been taught to them. Second, by trying to silence those saying the things they don't like, they have *proved* themselves to be fundamentalist, oppressive religious fanatics, willing to harm others for the sin of (wait for it) not taking them seriously. Insanity. So IMO during this latest kerfuffle Jedi was just being an annoying Internet troll by trolling religious fanatic Jews. Dan, on the other hand, was trying to be a dictatorial bastard by trying to threaten Rick for not silencing him. Jedi was merely willing to diss religious fanatics. Dan was being *such* a dictatorial bastard that he was willing to try to get Yahoo to censure Fairfield Life or take it down because people on it were saying some things he didn't like. *That*, I am pretty sure, is what pushed Rick to act. In his own sick, twisted way, Dan was trying to do exactly the same thing that other asshole from the past was doing when he posted porn to FFL and then reported it to Yahoo, again in an attempt to get it taken down, and again for the same reason -- he didn't like what some people were saying about things he was attached to. Jedi was merely expressing his opinion, no matter how crudely or stupidly. Dan was trying to force other people to do what *he* wanted them to do. Given a choice, I'd rather live with foul-mouthed critics like Jedi than live with the insane people like Dan. But Rick made the wisdom of Solomon choice and got rid of BOTH of them. Win-win. Congratulations, Rick. Jedi was definitely in a funny mood recently, really uncompromising. Maybe he was just having a bad week, I'd never noticed such vehemence in him before. Losing Dan just means there's one less tedious git to scroll past, which might save Rick some money on my eventual RSI lawsuit ;-) Gregory House On Religion https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJwhqhqBtbo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJwhqhqBtbo Gregory House On Religion https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJwhqhqBtbo View on www.youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJwhqhqBtbo Preview by Yahoo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJwhqhqBtbo Gregory House On Religion https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJwhqhqBtbo View on www.youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJwhqhqBtbo Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Photo series shows how we see people in our minds vs. how they really are
the one calling her a dipshit bliss ninny has a penis (pretty sure, anyway). ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Ann, the problem with belittling people is that then their ideas get belittled too, ideas which might be useful to others. Like how MJ ridicules TM, showing no concern for people who might be helped by it. Like the way you belittled my comment about colloidal silver and ebola when doctors have already been using it to treat the disease. In case you haven't seen it before, here's the article again: Governments seize colloidal silver being used to treat Ebola patients, says advocate http://www.naturalnews.com/047101_ebola_colloidal_silver_government_seizure.html http://www.naturalnews.com/047101_ebola_colloidal_silver_government_seizure.html Governments seize colloidal silver being used to treat E... http://www.naturalnews.com/047101_ebola_colloidal_silver_government_seizure.html Governments seize colloidal silver being used to treat Ebola patients, says advocate View on www.naturalnews.com http://www.naturalnews.com/047101_ebola_colloidal_silver_government_seizure.html Preview by Yahoo Share, again I beg of you not to take yourself and your ideas so seriously all the time. Take what I was giggling at in context. When you mention that we should all be taking a spot of echinecea tea as a prevention for Ebola you have to be able to see how someone might find that a tad humorous. How does this become a big deal and cause you to launch into your belittlement post above? You allow others to call you a dipshit bliss ninny yet take offense at my having laughed at the tea comment.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Photo series shows how we see people in our minds vs. how they really are
dear Dan, imho you've brought light and laughter and dare I say love to FFL. As for jedi's analysis, actually I really like Howard Wills' concept of loving neutrality. I'm guessing that's the CC version of love. It's a good place to start (-: On Friday, October 3, 2014 9:49 AM, danfriedman2002 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jedi_spock@... wrote : --- sharelong60@... wrote : I think one key to emotional good health is to be able to genuinely love a person even while not liking or even hating what they do. --- awoelflebater@... wrote : That is fascinating Share. I don't agree with that at all. Emotional good health might be related to loving another genuinely but I know that true emotional honesty also comes with acknowledging that some actions or beliefs of your loved one are not lovable and to experience that with all the implications that might lead to is the way to go, for me at least. There are moments when I might feel real anger or disgust toward my loved ones and in that moment the love has taken a second row seat although it's still in the audience. Love is great but so are all the other emotions you might experience in a day or a week or a year and this includes other things than love. I think it is mood making if one weren't to acknowledge that one's loved ones can't be unlovable in moments or are seriously flawed and in those moments love can be overshadowed because one is being honest. --- jedi_spock@... wrote : I think share is a little confused. Whttt! Love and hate are extremes. Like and dislike are moderation. The phil of Gita is to be moderate and maintain equipose. Compassion is a tracendental quality. Passion is a terrestrial quality. Maharishi in his BG commentary does mention that the enlightened man does have likes and dislikes. You have disrupted a very instructive conversation between 2 women who know exactly what they are talking about! Ann, when she differs, does so like a normal person: That is fascinating Share. I don't agree with that at all. You, on the other hand poke your snout in with: I think share is a little confused. I'm coming back to you! Hey Danny boy, You are the one who pushes your butt into all the conversations here. I tell you, it stinks.! Yes I expect that it does. The world is as you are. I guess your response will not deal with calling Share a little confused. Nice avoidance of reality, Mr Spock. No emotions, I expect. These post the most characters – one in particular – have been around since the beginning. Apparently decades of TM practice don’t necessarily cultivate any significant degree of self-reflective awareness, or a sense of purpose in life which would motivate one towards activities more constructive than cluttering up a chat group with excessive posts, even after having been told repeatedly that it wasn’t appreciated. Go figure. (Rick Archer) In all seriousness, I suspect that Rick has done exactly that. He really doesn't seem to even notice that the group has developed a couple of mentally unbalanced types whose highest goal in life seems to be to post the most. Or that other people on the forum are actually encouraging them to do so and egging them on in their psychosis, as they did previously with other mentally unbalanced posters like Ravi and Robin. IMO, the group's already dead. Rick's just hoping that it attracts vultures to perform a Tibetan sky burial, so he doesn't have to spring for a funeral. :-) (turquoiseb) No need for me to bother with you, life has already done that Turq. That'll look good on the brochure: Learn TM stay an inconsiderate knob your whole life. (salyavin808) I'm coming back to you. Just for the fun of it. I guess a discussion of Love has set you off again, Salamander. Hey Danny boy, You are the one who pushes your butt into all the conversations here. I tell you, it stinks.! Yes I expect that it does. The world is as you are. I guess your response will not deal with calling Share a little confused. Nice avoidance of reality, Mr Spock. No emotions, I expect. These post the most characters – one in particular – have been around since the beginning. Apparently decades of TM practice don’t necessarily cultivate any significant degree of self-reflective awareness, or a sense of purpose in life which would motivate one towards activities more constructive than cluttering up a chat group with excessive posts, even after having been told repeatedly that it wasn’t appreciated. Go figure. (Rick Archer) In all seriousness, I suspect that Rick has done exactly that. He really doesn't seem to even notice that the group has developed a couple of mentally unbalanced types whose highest goal in life seems to be to post the most. Or that other people on the forum are actually encouraging them to do so and egging them on in
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Photo series shows how we see people in our minds vs. how they really are
On 10/3/2014 9:14 AM, jedi_sp...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Your Torah is a huge pile of shit. Pull your head out of this fraudulent religion and curse it. /Had you said in your original comments, The Israeli// //government is a pile of shit, that would not have// //provoked the accusation of anti-Semitism.// // //However, you made your bigoted assertion in terms of// //the Jews as an ethnic/religious group and used the// //words of Jesus to justify it--indicating you believed// //the Jews were a pile of shit group all the way back// //to biblical times./ From: Judy Stein Subject: Re: Israel and Palestine Forum: Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental Date: 2002-06-24 07:17:23 PST / // //Bigot: //a person who strongly and unfairly dislikes other people, ideas, especially a person who hates or refuses to accept the members of a particular group (such as a racial or religious group). /
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Photo series shows how we see people in our minds vs. how they really are
Jedi Spock, anti-Semetic comments aren’t permissible here. I’ll delete your post and will ban you if you make similar comments. From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Friday, October 3, 2014 9:15 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Photo series shows how we see people in our minds vs. how they really are --- awoelflebater@... mailto:awoelflebater@... wrote : --- sharelong60@... mailto:sharelong60@... wrote : Ann, I think love is actually the source of all other emotions, including the so called negative ones. If one is not totally conditioned by society, then one experiences love along with various emotions. At its deepest level, love is not overshadowed by anything because it includes them all. --- jedi_spock@... mailto:jedi_spock@... wrote : In terms of evolution, fear is the most primitive of emotions. All other emotions evolved later. bummer You listen to me, you moron. Your bald headed charlatan, MMY dosen't believe in evolution. So, you think it's 'bummer'? Your Torah is a huge pile of shit. Pull your head out of this fraudulent religion and curse it. --- awoelflebater@... mailto:awoelflebater@... wrote : You're not kidding. I have a well-honed ability to feel fear. If there was one thing in my life I would love to eliminate it would be fear. I know it to be very primal, very powerful and not to be underestimated in its ability to paralyze one. I think the only thing worse than profound fear is the state of feeling nothing. As a teen I experienced that the bottom fell out. Talk about panic! But I don't know nothing about feeling nothing. Can be? Terrifying. But I never got to the nothing part because I was fighting for my life! It was during a particularly harrowing confrontation during the Robin days and there was a man in the room who went into a kind of catatonic state and had been getting worse and worse over about two or three days of the seminar. Finally Robin couldn't stand it any more because he kept feeling this presence in the room (the demonic on some grand scale in this case, as he would have put it back then) so this really terrifying scenario unfolded, which I won't go into any detail about, but it is a good story. At one point during this dramatic event I felt this life-sucking, numbing paralytic type force trying to get into my body and brain and I instinctively knew I needed to keep it at bay at all costs. It was only through a supreme effort of will and grace that I was able to hold it off but I believe that that would have been the closest to feeling nothing while still alive and conscious if I had allowed that force, that terrible overwhelming numbness to take a hold. I'm no mood maker, this was real. I was given an experience that told me, loud and clear, that one element of evil as it can sometimes manifest in human beings is a lack of ability to feel and that numbness (like novocaine throughout the body) is the antithesis to healthy life. There are outside forces out there - I don't mess around - even with Ouija boards. I have had some real concrete experiences of all sorts of malevolent forces in the world, they are not to be messed with.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Photo series shows how we see people in our minds vs. how they really are
On 10/3/2014 11:08 AM, 'Rick Archer' r...@searchsummit.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Jedi Spock, anti-Semetic comments aren’t permissible here. I’ll delete your post and will ban you if you make similar comments. On 10/3/2014 11:08 AM, 'Rick Archer' r...@searchsummit.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Jedi Spock, anti-Semetic comments aren’t permissible here. I’ll delete your post and will ban you if you make similar comments. Judy was in fact the moderator for years, for all practical purposes - with her gone, I tried to do what I could. You turned out to be a big slacker for blaming me for the discord. You really opened a can of worms when you allowed these kinds of bigoted informants to take over the forum. Don't even bother to shut it down, Rick. You suck as a discussion moderator. /He was a humpster too, humping Judith and Jennifer.// // //The bald headed coot wanted both the markets, ie the // //'personal god' market and the 'impersonal god' market.// // //He hedged his position, making it a little ambigious. The // //damage he did is terrible. The fact that he flattered a // //religion that is full of shit like christianity, is nothing // //but deceptive 'double talk'./ Subject: Ideal India, Lighthouse of Peace on Earth Author: jedi_spock Forum: Yahoo FairfieldLife Date: Thursday, September 11, 2014 http://www.mail-archive.com/fairfieldlife%40yahoogroups.com/msg328859.html
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Photo series shows how we see people in our minds vs. how they really are
Is the highlighted area below what you consider an anti-Semitic comment? It seems directed at a religion rather than a person; the comment above it is directed to a person, and the implication the person's beliefs, if that is what the person believes (the Torah), are false. You have picked a rather fine dividing line here, as virtually everything here is fair game. For example I consider the Torah an interesting group of writings but do not consider it to be much more than fiction. One can look at it from many perspectives, from a spiritual guide to a fictional account of a celestial mass murderer. Although the commandments for selling one's daughter into slavery are kind of interesting. jedi_spock does not seem to me to be picking out a race of people for this comment in general. The Torah is full of negativity like this anyway, ethnic cleansing, rape, mass slaughter and death at the will of a god, along with some more enlightened parts. If discussion of religion is fair game, you cannot single out one as more special than another. Antisemitism is prejudice against, hatred of, or discrimination against Jews as a national, ethnic, religious or racial group. But there are anti-Hindus here, anti-Christians, anti-Everything almost, so the line drawn as to real abuse has to be even handed. MJ here has pretty much said as much against M and his supporters. You could say someone, who is a Jew, is an idiot, not because of what they are and are as a group but because intellectually they have made the mistake of believing something for which the evidence is extremely insufficient. Anti-Semitism is not a special case of anti-something that is in some loftier category requiring special treatment. Slander and insult is equal opportunity, something generally advisable to avoid. Lots of Jews do not even care about the Torah. You have to determine that jedi_spock is talking about the group as a whole or is taking on a particular person's delusions as an individual case. I can't even tell easily who is writing what in this post, as I normally do not follow discussions like this closely and Neo does not allow us to see how the threads under a particular topic are related. What does the person this post was directed at think of the post? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rick@... wrote : Jedi Spock, anti-Semetic comments aren’t permissible here. I’ll delete your post and will ban you if you make similar comments. From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Friday, October 3, 2014 9:15 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Photo series shows how we see people in our minds vs. how they really are --- awoelflebater@... mailto:awoelflebater@... wrote : --- sharelong60@... mailto:sharelong60@... wrote : Ann, I think love is actually the source of all other emotions, including the so called negative ones. If one is not totally conditioned by society, then one experiences love along with various emotions. At its deepest level, love is not overshadowed by anything because it includes them all. --- jedi_spock@... mailto:jedi_spock@... wrote : In terms of evolution, fear is the most primitive of emotions. All other emotions evolved later. bummer You listen to me, you moron. Your bald headed charlatan, MMY dosen't believe in evolution. So, you think it's 'bummer'? Your Torah is a huge pile of shit. Pull your head out of this fraudulent religion and curse it. --- awoelflebater@... mailto:awoelflebater@... wrote : You're not kidding. I have a well-honed ability to feel fear. If there was one thing in my life I would love to eliminate it would be fear. I know it to be very primal, very powerful and not to be underestimated in its ability to paralyze one. I think the only thing worse than profound fear is the state of feeling nothing. As a teen I experienced that the bottom fell out. Talk about panic! But I don't know nothing about feeling nothing. Can be? Terrifying. But I never got to the nothing part because I was fighting for my life! It was during a particularly harrowing confrontation during the Robin days and there was a man in the room who went into a kind of catatonic state and had been getting worse and worse over about two or three days of the seminar. Finally Robin couldn't stand it any more because he kept feeling this presence in the room (the demonic on some grand scale in this case, as he would have put it back then) so this really terrifying scenario unfolded, which I won't go into any detail about, but it is a good story. At one point during this dramatic event I felt this life-sucking, numbing paralytic type force trying to get into my body and brain and I instinctively knew I needed to keep it at bay at all costs. It was only through a supreme effort of will and grace that I was able to hold it off but I believe that that would have been
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Photo series shows how we see people in our minds vs. how they really are
On 10/3/2014 1:29 PM, anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Is the highlighted area below what you consider an anti-Semitic comment? It seems directed at a religion rather than a person; the comment above it is directed to a person, and the implication the person's beliefs, if that is what the person believes (the Torah), are false. /The greater offense is that the remark was directed to an individual, not a group. Mr. Friedman already identified himself as of the Jewish faith. Nobody here seems to care about bashing whole groups of people of any faith or belief - it's the personal insult that should be the offense. That is supposed to be against the rules on FFL./ FFL Guidelines: 1) This group has long maintained a thoughtful and considerate tone. Please refrain from personal attacks, insults and excessive venting. You have picked a rather fine dividing line here, as virtually everything here is fair game. For example I consider the Torah an interesting group of writings but do not consider it to be much more than fiction. One can look at it from many perspectives, from a spiritual guide to a fictional account of a celestial mass murderer. Although the commandments for selling one's daughter into slavery are kind of interesting. jedi_spock does not seem to me to be picking out a race of people for this comment in general. The Torah is full of negativity like this anyway, ethnic cleansing, rape, mass slaughter and death at the will of a god, along with some more enlightened parts. If discussion of religion is fair game, you cannot single out one as more special than another. 1. Antisemitism is prejudice against, hatred of, or discrimination against Jews as a national, ethnic, religious or racial group. But there are anti-Hindus here, anti-Christians, anti-Everything almost, so the line drawn as to real abuse has to be even handed. MJ here has pretty much said as much against M and his supporters. You could say someone, who is a Jew, is an idiot, not because of what they are and are as a group but because intellectually they have made the mistake of believing something for which the evidence is extremely insufficient. Anti-Semitism is not a special case of anti-something that is in some loftier category requiring special treatment. Slander and insult is equal opportunity, something generally advisable to avoid. Lots of Jews do not even care about the Torah. You have to determine that jedi_spock is talking about the group as a whole or is taking on a particular person's delusions as an individual case. I can't even tell easily who is writing what in this post, as I normally do not follow discussions like this closely and Neo does not allow us to see how the threads under a particular topic are related. What does the person this post was directed at think of the post? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rick@... wrote : Jedi Spock, anti-Semetic comments aren’t permissible here. I’ll delete your post and will ban you if you make similar comments.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Photo series shows how we see people in our minds vs. how they really are
Jedi, love is often called an emotion but I think it is way more than that. As
such it is beyond any dualities. Tolle said that Being has three attributes,
peace, joy and love. I agree with him.
I would say that evolution is love in action.
How I'd interpret vs. 10 of St. Paul's quote: when a person operates from the
Being attribute of love, they see perfection everywhere. That is how
imperfection disappears.
On Thursday, October 2, 2014 10:11 AM, jedi_sp...@yahoo.com
[FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:
--- sharelong60@... wrote :
Ann, I think love is actually the source of all other emotions, including the
so called negative ones. If one is not totally conditioned by society, then one
experiences love along with various emotions. At its deepest level, love is not
overshadowed by anything because it includes them all.
In terms of evolution, fear is the most primitive of
emotions. All other emotions evolved later.
Maybe you are meaning this below.
(1 Corinthians 13)
If I speak in the tongues of men and of angels, but have not
love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal. 2 If
I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and
all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move
mountains, but have not love, I am nothing. 3 If I give all
I possess to the poor and surrender my body to the flames,
but have not love, I gain nothing. 4 Love is patient, love
is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not
proud. 5 It is not rude, it is not self-seeking, it is not
easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. 6 Love does
not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. 7 It always
protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres. 8
Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will
cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where
there is knowledge, it will pass away. 9 For we know in part
and we prophesy in part, 10 but when perfection comes, the
imperfect disappears. 13 Now these three remain: faith,
hope, and love. But the greatest of these is love.
--- sharelong60@... wrote :
I think one key to emotional good health is to be able to genuinely love a
person even while not liking or even hating what they do.
--- awoelflebater@... wrote :
That is fascinating Share. I don't agree with that at all. Emotional good
health might be related to loving another genuinely but I know that true
emotional honesty also comes with acknowledging that some actions or beliefs of
your loved one are not lovable and to experience that with all the implications
that might lead to is the way to go, for me at least. There are moments when I
might feel real anger or disgust toward my loved ones and in that moment the
love has taken a second row seat although it's still in the audience. Love is
great but so are all the other emotions you might experience in a day or a week
or a year and this includes other things than love. I think it is mood making
if one weren't to acknowledge that one's loved ones can't be unlovable in
moments or are seriously flawed and in those moments love can be overshadowed
because one is being honest.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Photo series shows how we see people in our minds vs. how they really are
funnily enough, Dan, one of my favorite writings about love is from a man,
Emmet Fox:LOVE
There is no difficulty that enough love will not conquer;
No disease that enough love will not heal;
No door that enough love will not open;
No gulf that enough love will not bridge;
No wall that enough love will not throw down;
No sin that enough love will not redeem...
It makes no difference how deeply seated may be the trouble;
How hopeless the outlook;
How muddled the tangle;
How great the mistake;
A sufficient realization of love will dissolve it all...
If only you could love enough you would be the happiest and most powerful being
in the world. - Emmet Fox
On Thursday, October 2, 2014 9:45 AM, danfriedman2002
no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote:
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :
Ann, I think love is actually the source of all other emotions, including the
so called negative ones. If one is not totally conditioned by society, then one
experiences love along with various emotions. At its deepest level, love is not
overshadowed by anything because it includes them all.
I LOVE LISTENING-IN ON WOMEN TALKING OF LOVE.
KINDA HELPS.
back to the book
On Thursday, October 2, 2014 8:40 AM, awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :
I think one key to emotional good health is to be able to genuinely love a
person even while not liking or even hating what they do.
That is fascinating Share. I don't agree with that at all. Emotional good
health might be related to loving another genuinely but I know that true
emotional honesty also comes with acknowledging that some actions or beliefs of
your loved one are not lovable and to experience that with all the implications
that might lead to is the way to go, for me at least. There are moments when I
might feel real anger or disgust toward my loved ones and in that moment the
love has taken a second row seat although it's still in the audience. Love is
great but so are all the other emotions you might experience in a day or a week
or a year and this includes other things than love. I think it is mood making
if one weren't to acknowledge that one's loved ones can't be unlovable in
moments or are seriously flawed and in those moments love can be overshadowed
because one is being honest.
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Love may be an emotion, an attribute of Being, a dominant quality in higher states, etc, but it also has a neurological and brain chemical basis (see below article as a starting point). I wonder a lot about this, including: To what extent does manifest love in higher states,particularly GC, living and ecstatic bhakti, devotion, etc depend upon these physical bases of love? If a researcher were to dramatically lower serotonin, dopamine, norepinephrine, oxytocin and other key love-related chemicals (and/or modify receptors and activation potentials) in (validated) subjects experiencing sustained high/intense love, how would the love experience change? What role does meditation, yoga (including breath work) play in creating sustained and balanced levels of these brain chemicals (and related changes to receptors, activation potentials, etc)? Given many roads towards the enhanced levels of these chemicals (receptors, activation potentials, etc.) can these other modalities augment or even replace (or be a detriment to) traditional yogic / meditation practices and states? (following article is provided as a starting point, not definitive) Source: Wiki Biological basis of love - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biological_basis_of_love http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biological_basis_of_love Biological basis of love - Wikipedia, the free encyclo... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biological_basis_of_love The theory of a biological basis of love has been explored by such biological sciences as evolutionary psychology, evolutionary biology, anthropology and... View on en.wikipedia.org http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biological_basis_of_love Preview by Yahoo Studies in neuroscience http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neuroscience have involved chemicals that are present in the brain and might be involved when people experience love. These chemicals include: nerve growth factor http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nerve_growth_factor,[8] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biological_basis_of_love#cite_note-8 testosterone http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Testosterone, estrogen http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estrogen, dopamine http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dopamine, norepinephrine http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norepinephrine, serotonin http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serotonin, oxytocin http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxytocin, andvasopressin http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vasopressin.[9] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biological_basis_of_love#cite_note-9 Adequate brain levels of testosterone seem important for both human male and female sexual behavior.[10] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biological_basis_of_love#cite_note-10 Dopamine, norepinephrine, and serotonin are more commonly found during the attraction phase of a relationship.[11] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biological_basis_of_love#cite_note-11 Oxytocin and vasopressin seemed to be more closely linked to long term bonding and relationships characterized by strong attachments. … Serotonin Chemically, the serotonin effects of being infatuated have a similar chemical appearance to obsessive-compulsive disorder, which could explain why people experiencing infatuation cannot think of anyone else.[13] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biological_basis_of_love#cite_note-13 For this reason some, such as anthropologist Helen Fisher, assert that taking SSRIs http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selective_serotonin_reuptake_inhibitor and other antidepressants impede one's ability to fall in love. In one particular case Fisher noted: I know of one couple on the edge of divorce. The wife was on an antidepressant. Then she went off it, started having orgasms once more, felt the renewal of sexual attraction for her husband, and they're now in love all over again.[14] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biological_basis_of_love#cite_note-14 Oxytocin Simplified overview of the chemical basis of love. Main article: Oxytocin http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxytocin The long-term attachment felt after the initial in love passionate phase of the relationship ends is related to oxytocin, a chemical released after orgasm.[15] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biological_basis_of_love#cite_note-15 Moreover, novelty triggers attraction. Even exercising for several minutes can make one more attracted to other people on account of increased heart rate and other physiological responses. Nerve growth factor In 2005, Italian scientists at Pavia University http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pavia_University found that a protein molecule known as the nerve growth factor http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nerve_growth_factor (NGF) has high levels when people first fall in love, but these return to previous levels after one year. Specifically, four neurotrophin http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neurotrophin levels (NGF, BDNF http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BDNF, NT-3 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NT-3, and NT-4 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NT-4) of
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Photo series shows how we see people in our minds vs. how they really are
seerdope, great stuff, great to have all this gathered in one place. Wish we could hook up a few people recognized as great lovers of humanity and this world, see what their brain chemistry looks like. I bet we'd see a combo of chemicals we've never seen before. On Thursday, October 2, 2014 12:08 PM, seerd...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Love may be an emotion, an attribute of Being, a dominant quality in higher states, etc, but it also has a neurological and brain chemical basis (see below article as a starting point).I wonder a lot about this, including: To what extent does manifest love in higher states,particularly GC, living and ecstatic bhakti, devotion, etc depend upon these physical bases of love? If a researcher were to dramatically lower serotonin, dopamine, norepinephrine, oxytocin and other key love-related chemicals (and/or modify receptors and activation potentials) in (validated) subjects experiencing sustained high/intense love, how would the love experience change? What role does meditation, yoga (including breath work) play in creating sustained and balanced levels of these brain chemicals (and related changes to receptors, activation potentials, etc)?Given many roads towards the enhanced levels of these chemicals (receptors, activation potentials, etc.) can these other modalities augment or even replace (or be a detriment to) traditional yogic / meditation practices and states? (following article is provided as a starting point, not definitive)Source:Wiki Biological basis of love - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia || |||| Biological basis of love - Wikipedia, the free encyclo... The theory of a biological basis of love has been explored by such biological sciences as evolutionary psychology, evolutionary biology, anthropology and...|| | View on en.wikipedia.org |Preview by Yahoo| || Studiesin neuroscience have involved chemicals thatare present in the brain and might be involved when people experience love.These chemicals include: nerve growth factor,[8] testosterone, estrogen, dopamine, norepinephrine, serotonin, oxytocin, andvasopressin.[9] Adequate brainlevels of testosterone seem important for both human male and female sexualbehavior.[10] Dopamine,norepinephrine, and serotonin are more commonly found during the attractionphase of a relationship.[11] Oxytocinand vasopressin seemed to be more closely linked to long term bonding andrelationships characterized by strong attachments. … Serotonin Chemically,the serotonin effects of being infatuated have a similar chemical appearance to obsessive-compulsivedisorder, which could explain why people experiencing infatuationcannot think of anyone else.[13] For this reasonsome, such as anthropologist Helen Fisher, assert that taking SSRIs andother antidepressants impede one's ability to fall in love. In one particularcase Fisher noted: Iknow of one couple on the edge of divorce. The wife was on an antidepressant.Then she went off it, started having orgasms once more, felt the renewal ofsexual attraction for her husband, and they're now in love all over again.[14] Oxytocin Simplified overview ofthe chemical basis of love. Mainarticle: Oxytocin Thelong-term attachment felt after the initial in love passionatephase of the relationship ends is related to oxytocin, a chemicalreleased after orgasm.[15] Moreover, noveltytriggers attraction. Even exercising for several minutes can make one moreattracted to other people on account of increased heart rate and otherphysiological responses. Nerve growth factor In2005, Italian scientists at Pavia University found that a proteinmolecule known as the nerve growth factor (NGF)has high levels when people first fall in love, but these return to previouslevels after one year. Specifically, four neurotrophin levels (NGF, BDNF, NT-3,and NT-4) of 58 subjects who had recently fallenin love were compared with levels in two control groups who were either singleor already engaged in a long-term relationship. The results showed that NGFlevels were significantly higher in the subjects in love than as compared toeither of the control groups.[16] Cortisol Individualswho have recently fallen in love show higher levels of cortisol.[17] To explore whetherthis correlation was merely due to general changes in life associated withbeginning a relationship, Loving et al. performed an experimental study inwhich women who had recently fallen in love were randomly asked to think abouttheir partners and relationship or about a romantically neutral male friend.The authors found that the romance-related thoughts triggered an acute increasein cortisol compared with thoughts about the friend. The cortisol effect wasmore pronounced for those women who spent more time thinking about theirrelationship. NGF tends to activate thehypothalamic-pituitary-adrenalaxis,
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Jedi, love is often called an emotion but I think it is way more than that. As such it is beyond any dualities. Tolle said that Being has three attributes, peace, joy and love. I agree with him. I would say that evolution is love in action. How I'd interpret vs. 10 of St. Paul's quote: when a person operates from the Being attribute of love, they see perfection everywhere. That is how imperfection disappears. I'm on you side, Lovely. On Thursday, October 2, 2014 10:11 AM, jedi_spock@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: --- sharelong60@... wrote : Ann, I think love is actually the source of all other emotions, including the so called negative ones. If one is not totally conditioned by society, then one experiences love along with various emotions. At its deepest level, love is not overshadowed by anything because it includes them all. In terms of evolution, fear is the most primitive of emotions. All other emotions evolved later. Maybe you are meaning this below. (1 Corinthians 13) If I speak in the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal. 2 If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but have not love, I am nothing. 3 If I give all I possess to the poor and surrender my body to the flames, but have not love, I gain nothing. 4 Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. 5 It is not rude, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. 6 Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. 7 It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres. 8 Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away. 9 For we know in part and we prophesy in part, 10 but when perfection comes, the imperfect disappears. 13 Now these three remain: faith, hope, and love. But the greatest of these is love. --- sharelong60@... wrote : I think one key to emotional good health is to be able to genuinely love a person even while not liking or even hating what they do. --- awoelflebater@... wrote : That is fascinating Share. I don't agree with that at all. Emotional good health might be related to loving another genuinely but I know that true emotional honesty also comes with acknowledging that some actions or beliefs of your loved one are not lovable and to experience that with all the implications that might lead to is the way to go, for me at least. There are moments when I might feel real anger or disgust toward my loved ones and in that moment the love has taken a second row seat although it's still in the audience. Love is great but so are all the other emotions you might experience in a day or a week or a year and this includes other things than love. I think it is mood making if one weren't to acknowledge that one's loved ones can't be unlovable in moments or are seriously flawed and in those moments love can be overshadowed because one is being honest.
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That is how imperfection disappears. What a daily miracle that is. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Jedi, love is often called an emotion but I think it is way more than that. As such it is beyond any dualities. Tolle said that Being has three attributes, peace, joy and love. I agree with him. I would say that evolution is love in action. How I'd interpret vs. 10 of St. Paul's quote: when a person operates from the Being attribute of love, they see perfection everywhere. That is how imperfection disappears. I'm on you side, Lovely. On Thursday, October 2, 2014 10:11 AM, jedi_spock@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: --- sharelong60@... wrote : Ann, I think love is actually the source of all other emotions, including the so called negative ones. If one is not totally conditioned by society, then one experiences love along with various emotions. At its deepest level, love is not overshadowed by anything because it includes them all. In terms of evolution, fear is the most primitive of emotions. All other emotions evolved later. Maybe you are meaning this below. (1 Corinthians 13) If I speak in the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal. 2 If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but have not love, I am nothing. 3 If I give all I possess to the poor and surrender my body to the flames, but have not love, I gain nothing. 4 Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. 5 It is not rude, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. 6 Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. 7 It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres. 8 Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away. 9 For we know in part and we prophesy in part, 10 but when perfection comes, the imperfect disappears. 13 Now these three remain: faith, hope, and love. But the greatest of these is love. --- sharelong60@... wrote : I think one key to emotional good health is to be able to genuinely love a person even while not liking or even hating what they do. --- awoelflebater@... wrote : That is fascinating Share. I don't agree with that at all. Emotional good health might be related to loving another genuinely but I know that true emotional honesty also comes with acknowledging that some actions or beliefs of your loved one are not lovable and to experience that with all the implications that might lead to is the way to go, for me at least. There are moments when I might feel real anger or disgust toward my loved ones and in that moment the love has taken a second row seat although it's still in the audience. Love is great but so are all the other emotions you might experience in a day or a week or a year and this includes other things than love. I think it is mood making if one weren't to acknowledge that one's loved ones can't be unlovable in moments or are seriously flawed and in those moments love can be overshadowed because one is being honest.
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Share, I'm making the quote my New Improved Motto (money-back guaranteed): If only you could love enough you would be the happiest and most powerful being in the world. - Emmet Fox P.S. In return I offer a reco: This is My Beloved ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : funnily enough, Dan, one of my favorite writings about love is from a man, Emmet Fox: LOVE There is no difficulty that enough love will not conquer; No disease that enough love will not heal; No door that enough love will not open; No gulf that enough love will not bridge; No wall that enough love will not throw down; No sin that enough love will not redeem... It makes no difference how deeply seated may be the trouble; How hopeless the outlook; How muddled the tangle; How great the mistake; A sufficient realization of love will dissolve it all... On Thursday, October 2, 2014 9:45 AM, danfriedman2002 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Ann, I think love is actually the source of all other emotions, including the so called negative ones. If one is not totally conditioned by society, then one experiences love along with various emotions. At its deepest level, love is not overshadowed by anything because it includes them all. I LOVE LISTENING-IN ON WOMEN TALKING OF LOVE. KINDA HELPS. back to the book On Thursday, October 2, 2014 8:40 AM, awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : I think one key to emotional good health is to be able to genuinely love a person even while not liking or even hating what they do. That is fascinating Share. I don't agree with that at all. Emotional good health might be related to loving another genuinely but I know that true emotional honesty also comes with acknowledging that some actions or beliefs of your loved one are not lovable and to experience that with all the implications that might lead to is the way to go, for me at least. There are moments when I might feel real anger or disgust toward my loved ones and in that moment the love has taken a second row seat although it's still in the audience. Love is great but so are all the other emotions you might experience in a day or a week or a year and this includes other things than love. I think it is mood making if one weren't to acknowledge that one's loved ones can't be unlovable in moments or are seriously flawed and in those moments love can be overshadowed because one is being honest.
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seerdope@... wrote : Love may be an emotion, an attribute of Being, a dominant quality in higher states, etc, but it also has a neurological and brain chemical basis (see below article as a starting point). I wonder a lot about this, including: To what extent does manifest love in higher states,particularly GC, living and ecstatic bhakti, devotion, etc depend upon these physical bases of love? If a researcher were to dramatically lower serotonin, dopamine, norepinephrine, oxytocin and other key love-related chemicals (and/or modify receptors and activation potentials) in (validated) subjects experiencing sustained high/intense love, how would the love experience change? What role does meditation, yoga (including breath work) play in creating sustained and balanced levels of these brain chemicals (and related changes to receptors, activation potentials, etc)? Given many roads towards the enhanced levels of these chemicals (receptors, activation potentials, etc.) can these other modalities augment or even replace (or be a detriment to) traditional yogic / meditation practices and states? SSRS talks extensively on this: Love makes your practice fresh and new. It is love which nourishes, pushes forward your technique, your progress, your growth. quoted from : God Loves Fun Also see Narada Bhakti Sutra: The Aphorisms of Love. I have 3 versions; from Simple to Profound. (following article is provided as a starting point, not definitive) Source: Wiki Biological basis of love - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biological_basis_of_love http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biological_basis_of_love Biological basis of love - Wikipedia, the free encyclo... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biological_basis_of_love The theory of a biological basis of love has been explored by such biological sciences as evolutionary psychology, evolutionary biology, anthropology and... View on en.wikipedia.org http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biological_basis_of_love Preview by Yahoo Studies in neuroscience http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neuroscience have involved chemicals that are present in the brain and might be involved when people experience love. These chemicals include: nerve growth factor http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nerve_growth_factor,[8] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biological_basis_of_love#cite_note-8 testosterone http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Testosterone, estrogen http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estrogen, dopamine http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dopamine, norepinephrine http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norepinephrine, serotonin http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serotonin, oxytocin http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxytocin, andvasopressin http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vasopressin.[9] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biological_basis_of_love#cite_note-9 Adequate brain levels of testosterone seem important for both human male and female sexual behavior.[10] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biological_basis_of_love#cite_note-10 Dopamine, norepinephrine, and serotonin are more commonly found during the attraction phase of a relationship.[11] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biological_basis_of_love#cite_note-11 Oxytocin and vasopressin seemed to be more closely linked to long term bonding and relationships characterized by strong attachments. … Serotonin Chemically, the serotonin effects of being infatuated have a similar chemical appearance to obsessive-compulsive disorder, which could explain why people experiencing infatuation cannot think of anyone else.[13] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biological_basis_of_love#cite_note-13 For this reason some, such as anthropologist Helen Fisher, assert that taking SSRIs http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selective_serotonin_reuptake_inhibitor and other antidepressants impede one's ability to fall in love. In one particular case Fisher noted: I know of one couple on the edge of divorce. The wife was on an antidepressant. Then she went off it, started having orgasms once more, felt the renewal of sexual attraction for her husband, and they're now in love all over again.[14] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biological_basis_of_love#cite_note-14 Oxytocin http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Chemical_basis_of_love.png Simplified overview of the chemical basis of love. Main article: Oxytocin http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxytocin The long-term attachment felt after the initial in love passionate phase of the relationship ends is related to oxytocin, a chemical released after orgasm.[15] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biological_basis_of_love#cite_note-15 Moreover, novelty triggers attraction. Even exercising for several minutes can make one more attracted to other people on account of increased heart rate and other physiological responses. Nerve growth factor In 2005, Italian scientists at Pavia University http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pavia_University found that a protein
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Dan! I almost ordered this book a couple of weeks ago! On Thursday, October 2, 2014 1:05 PM, danfriedman2002 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seerdope@... wrote : Love may be an emotion, an attribute of Being, a dominant quality in higher states, etc, but it also has a neurological and brain chemical basis (see below article as a starting point).I wonder a lot about this, including: To what extent does manifest love in higher states,particularly GC, living and ecstatic bhakti, devotion, etc depend upon these physical bases of love? If a researcher were to dramatically lower serotonin, dopamine, norepinephrine, oxytocin and other key love-related chemicals (and/or modify receptors and activation potentials) in (validated) subjects experiencing sustained high/intense love, how would the love experience change? What role does meditation, yoga (including breath work) play in creating sustained and balanced levels of these brain chemicals (and related changes to receptors, activation potentials, etc)?Given many roads towards the enhanced levels of these chemicals (receptors, activation potentials, etc.) can these other modalities augment or even replace (or be a detriment to) traditional yogic / meditation practices and states? SSRS talks extensively on this: Love makes your practice fresh and new. It is love which nourishes, pushes forward your technique, your progress, your growth. quoted from : God Loves Fun Also see Narada Bhakti Sutra: The Aphorisms of Love. I have 3 versions; from Simple to Profound. (following article is provided as a starting point, not definitive)Source:Wiki Biological basis of love - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | | | | | | Biological basis of love - Wikipedia, the free encyclo... The theory of a biological basis of love has been explored by such biological sciences as evolutionary psychology, evolutionary biology, anthropology and... | | | View on en.wikipedia.org| Preview by Yahoo | | | Studiesin neuroscience have involved chemicals thatare present in the brain and might be involved when people experience love.These chemicals include: nerve growth factor,[8] testosterone, estrogen, dopamine, norepinephrine, serotonin, oxytocin, andvasopressin.[9] Adequate brainlevels of testosterone seem important for both human male and female sexualbehavior.[10] Dopamine,norepinephrine, and serotonin are more commonly found during the attractionphase of a relationship.[11] Oxytocinand vasopressin seemed to be more closely linked to long term bonding andrelationships characterized by strong attachments.…SerotoninChemically,the serotonin effects of being infatuated have a similar chemical appearance to obsessive-compulsivedisorder, which could explain why people experiencing infatuationcannot think of anyone else.[13] For this reasonsome, such as anthropologist Helen Fisher, assert that taking SSRIs andother antidepressants impede one's ability to fall in love. In one particularcase Fisher noted:Iknow of one couple on the edge of divorce. The wife was on an antidepressant.Then she went off it, started having orgasms once more, felt the renewal ofsexual attraction for her husband, and they're now in love all over again.[14]OxytocinSimplified overview ofthe chemical basis of love.Mainarticle: OxytocinThelong-term attachment felt after the initial in love passionatephase of the relationship ends is related to oxytocin, a chemicalreleased after orgasm.[15] Moreover, noveltytriggers attraction. Even exercising for several minutes can make one moreattracted to other people on account of increased heart rate and otherphysiological responses.Nerve growth factorIn2005, Italian scientists at Pavia University found that a proteinmolecule known as the nerve growth factor (NGF)has high levels when people first fall in love, but these return to previouslevels after one year. Specifically, four neurotrophin levels (NGF, BDNF, NT-3,and NT-4) of 58 subjects who had recently fallenin love were compared with levels in two control groups who were either singleor already engaged in a long-term relationship. The results showed that NGFlevels were significantly higher in the subjects in love than as compared toeither of the control groups.[16]CortisolIndividualswho have recently fallen in love show higher levels of cortisol.[17] To explore whetherthis correlation was merely due to general changes in life associated withbeginning a relationship, Loving et al. performed an experimental study inwhich women who had recently fallen in love were randomly asked to think abouttheir partners and relationship or about a romantically neutral male friend.The authors found that the romance-related thoughts triggered an acute increasein cortisol compared with thoughts about the friend. The cortisol effect wasmore pronounced for those women who spent more time thinking about
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : That is how imperfection disappears. What a daily miracle that is. Which reminds me. This Week's Tease Shirt Winner wore: Jerry Garcia Lunt-Fontaine Theater Just good Vintage Fun! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Jedi, love is often called an emotion but I think it is way more than that. As such it is beyond any dualities. Tolle said that Being has three attributes, peace, joy and love. I agree with him. I would say that evolution is love in action. How I'd interpret vs. 10 of St. Paul's quote: when a person operates from the Being attribute of love, they see perfection everywhere. That is how imperfection disappears. I'm on you side, Lovely. On Thursday, October 2, 2014 10:11 AM, jedi_spock@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: --- sharelong60@... wrote : Ann, I think love is actually the source of all other emotions, including the so called negative ones. If one is not totally conditioned by society, then one experiences love along with various emotions. At its deepest level, love is not overshadowed by anything because it includes them all. In terms of evolution, fear is the most primitive of emotions. All other emotions evolved later. Maybe you are meaning this below. (1 Corinthians 13) If I speak in the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal. 2 If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but have not love, I am nothing. 3 If I give all I possess to the poor and surrender my body to the flames, but have not love, I gain nothing. 4 Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. 5 It is not rude, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. 6 Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. 7 It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres. 8 Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away. 9 For we know in part and we prophesy in part, 10 but when perfection comes, the imperfect disappears. 13 Now these three remain: faith, hope, and love. But the greatest of these is love. --- sharelong60@... wrote : I think one key to emotional good health is to be able to genuinely love a person even while not liking or even hating what they do. --- awoelflebater@... wrote : That is fascinating Share. I don't agree with that at all. Emotional good health might be related to loving another genuinely but I know that true emotional honesty also comes with acknowledging that some actions or beliefs of your loved one are not lovable and to experience that with all the implications that might lead to is the way to go, for me at least. There are moments when I might feel real anger or disgust toward my loved ones and in that moment the love has taken a second row seat although it's still in the audience. Love is great but so are all the other emotions you might experience in a day or a week or a year and this includes other things than love. I think it is mood making if one weren't to acknowledge that one's loved ones can't be unlovable in moments or are seriously flawed and in those moments love can be overshadowed because one is being honest.
