Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: There was Time Before the Big Bang But With No Space
hey John and Ann, definitely some neurons of mine were not initially firing about all this. And I appreciate how both of you have remedied that situation (-: John, it sounds like Ann is saying that BY DEFINITION a sound is an energy wave that hits a human ear drum and is then interpreted by a human brain to be a sound. This makes sense. Then I wondered: well what about animals and what about human who cannot hear? And I like how you extend this avenue of thought even farther, John. But isn't it true that we can only assume that the laws of physics will be preserved? And are you saying that consciousness is the ultimate perceiver? Maybe all communication simply comes back to being clear about definitions. Anyway, I'm feeling very philosophical now. Ann I chuckled at your joke about the echo but will restrain myself and not put a you know what such as I did in first sentence above. Here's another question: in the absence of a smiley face, smile, LOL, LMHA, etc. has humor occurred? From: John jr_...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2013 11:22 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: There was Time Before the Big Bang But With No Space --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote: Share, The physicist is making a bold statement there and she knows it. She's asking for a strong backlash when she said time existed even before the Big Bang. I can see the following questions coming up: Is Time the essence of God or vice-versa? Is there time in heaven or the unified field? Is there a prime mover or the cause of Time? What proof does she have to make such statements? JR --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: hey John I very much enjoyed this. Being a word person, was amazed to learn that the word time is the noun that occurs most frequently. Also her point about atomic clocks off earth running slower helped me understand the role of gravity in relation to time. I wonder if there can be time if there is no one to perceive its passage. Kind of like, if a tree falls in a forest empty of people, does it make a sound. To that I say yes. Because of the physical properties of trees and ground and sound waves. Although a falling object creates waves of energy that when they hit the ear drum produce something we call sound I would have to say that if there are no eardrums to receive the sound waves there is, in fact not sound. There is only the potential for sound if there is the instrument (an ear drum) present to have those waves impact it. There has to be a recipient in this case who has the tools to transform waves into what he know as sound. (I think I just repeated myself about three time. Does that mean there is an echo in here?) Ann, If a tree fell in an earth-like exoplanet without any humans or humanoids, would it make a sound? IMO, the answer is yes because consciousness is everywhere in the universe, even in a piece of rock. Also, the laws of physics must be preserved so a sound of a falling tree will be produced even without humans or humanoids in the exoplanet. JR
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: There was Time Before the Big Bang But With No Space
the rocks are listening to everything we say as we amble through the forum forest and into Gaia they tap their SOS From: John jr_...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, March 29, 2013 10:24 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: There was Time Before the Big Bang But With No Space --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: hey John and Ann, definitely some neurons of mine were not initially firing about all this. And I appreciate how both of you have remedied that situation (-: John, it sounds like Ann is saying that BY DEFINITION a sound is an energy wave that hits a human ear drum and is then interpreted by a human brain to be a sound. This makes sense. Then I wondered: well what about animals and what about human who cannot hear? And I like how you extend this avenue of thought even farther, John. But isn't it true that we can only assume that the laws of physics will be preserved? And are you saying that consciousness is the ultimate perceiver? Share, Yes, Consciousness is everywhere even in a rock or in another tree. As such, a sound of a falling tree will be heard in a place without humans or humanoids. And, the laws of physics are preserved. However, that sound will be perceived differently by a rock and a human. JR Maybe all communication simply comes back to being clear about definitions. Anyway, I'm feeling very philosophical now. Ann I chuckled at your joke about the echo but will restrain myself and not put a you know what such as I did in first sentence above. Here's another question: in the absence of a smiley face, smile, LOL, LMHA, etc. has humor occurred? From: John jr_esq@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2013 11:22 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: There was Time Before the Big Bang But With No Space  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote: Share, The physicist is making a bold statement there and she knows it. She's asking for a strong backlash when she said time existed even before the Big Bang. I can see the following questions coming up: Is Time the essence of God or vice-versa? Is there time in heaven or the unified field? Is there a prime mover or the cause of Time? What proof does she have to make such statements? JR --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: hey John I very much enjoyed this. Being a word person, was amazed to learn that the word time is the noun that occurs most frequently. Also her point about atomic clocks off earth running slower helped me understand the role of gravity in relation to time. I wonder if there can be time if there is no one to perceive its passage. Kind of like, if a tree falls in a forest empty of people, does it make a sound. To that I say yes. Because of the physical properties of trees and ground and sound waves. Although a falling object creates waves of energy that when they hit the ear drum produce something we call sound I would have to say that if there are no eardrums to receive the sound waves there is, in fact not sound. There is only the potential for sound if there is the instrument (an ear drum) present to have those waves impact it. There has to be a recipient in this case who has the tools to transform waves into what he know as sound. (I think I just repeated myself about three time. Does that mean there is an echo in here?) Ann, If a tree fell in an earth-like exoplanet without any humans or humanoids, would it make a sound? IMO, the answer is yes because consciousness is everywhere in the universe, even in a piece of rock. Also, the laws of physics must be preserved so a sound of a falling tree will be produced even without humans or humanoids in the exoplanet. JR
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: There was Time Before the Big Bang But With No Space
Share, I want to say that although I don't understand most of what you say, I do really enjoy your poetry. Have a lovely day. From: Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, March 29, 2013 8:38 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: There was Time Before the Big Bang But With No Space the rocks are listening to everything we say as we amble through the forum forest and into Gaia they tap their SOS From: John jr_...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, March 29, 2013 10:24 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: There was Time Before the Big Bang But With No Space --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: hey John and Ann, definitely some neurons of mine were not initially firing about all this. And I appreciate how both of you have remedied that situation (-: John, it sounds like Ann is saying that BY DEFINITION a sound is an energy wave that hits a human ear drum and is then interpreted by a human brain to be a sound. This makes sense. Then I wondered: well what about animals and what about human who cannot hear? And I like how you extend this avenue of thought even farther, John. But isn't it true that we can only assume that the laws of physics will be preserved? And are you saying that consciousness is the ultimate perceiver? Share, Yes, Consciousness is everywhere even in a rock or in another tree. As such, a sound of a falling tree will be heard in a place without humans or humanoids. And, the laws of physics are preserved. However, that sound will be perceived differently by a rock and a human. JR Maybe all communication simply comes back to being clear about definitions. Anyway, I'm feeling very philosophical now. Ann I chuckled at your joke about the echo but will restrain myself and not put a you know what such as I did in first sentence above. Here's another question: in the absence of a smiley face, smile, LOL, LMHA, etc. has humor occurred? From: John jr_esq@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2013 11:22 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: There was Time Before the Big Bang But With No Space  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote: Share, The physicist is making a bold statement there and she knows it. She's asking for a strong backlash when she said time existed even before the Big Bang. I can see the following questions coming up: Is Time the essence of God or vice-versa? Is there time in heaven or the unified field? Is there a prime mover or the cause of Time? What proof does she have to make such statements? JR --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: hey John I very much enjoyed this. Being a word person, was amazed to learn that the word time is the noun that occurs most frequently. Also her point about atomic clocks off earth running slower helped me understand the role of gravity in relation to time. I wonder if there can be time if there is no one to perceive its passage. Kind of like, if a tree falls in a forest empty of people, does it make a sound. To that I say yes. Because of the physical properties of trees and ground and sound waves. Although a falling object creates waves of energy that when they hit the ear drum produce something we call sound I would have to say that if there are no eardrums to receive the sound waves there is, in fact not sound. There is only the potential for sound if there is the instrument (an ear drum) present to have those waves impact it. There has to be a recipient in this case who has the tools to transform waves into what he know as sound. (I think I just repeated myself about three time. Does that mean there is an echo in here?) Ann, If a tree fell in an earth-like exoplanet without any humans or humanoids, would it make a sound? IMO, the answer is yes because consciousness is everywhere in the universe, even in a piece of rock. Also, the laws of physics must be preserved so a sound of a falling tree will be produced even without humans or humanoids in the exoplanet. JR
