Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What A Week
On Jan 17, 2012, at 11:25 AM, turquoiseb wrote: Good post, Curtis. The one point you left out is that RWC is no more original in his denunciations of Vaj than he is about anything else. The guy seems *incapable* of having an original idea; everything he's saying about Vaj came directly from Judy, or her words filtered through Jim or Ravi or Nabby. *No one else* ever had any doubts about Vaj's TM pedigree until she started her Gotta find a way to demonize Vaj so no one will believe him when he makes valid points campaign. Very observant and accurate, thanks!
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What A Week
On Jan 17, 2012, at 8:41 AM, maskedzebra wrote: Same goes for the play I wrote and mounted. You either saw the play or were a cast member, or you didn't see the play and did not appear on stage. Those who profess to believe in your testimony have to work a lot harder to make the case for your credibility than those who find themselves continually ambushed by evidence you have never seen the play, a play which often is the center of discussion and argument here. Beats me, the whole damn thing, Vaj. You're intelligent, you're witty, you're knowledgable, you have a life, why dress up and pretend to play house? Exactly. No need.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What A Week
On Jan 17, 2012, at 10:17 AM, futur.musik wrote: These claims of his to be a TM teacher and now having met you previously, are fairly recent. He wouldn't have dared make them to the group that booted him - It is a small knowledgeable group and they would have called BS on him immediately. The primary enlightened person on the list who gave me a hard time committed suicide shortly thereafter, so I don't know how knowledgeable I'd consider these folks. They were generally friendly folks and conversant in modern advaita-speak, but otherwise not really that experientially helpful. YMMV, but for me the let me talk about my enlightenment crowd weren't what I was lead to believe and, really, of little interest (to me). Narcissus loves his mirror. It's just not so exciting watching him.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What A Week
On Jan 17, 2012, at 10:59 AM, maskedzebra wrote: RESPONSE: This response of yours, Vaj, reminds me of what the antithesis would be of Seth Rogan's first words at the Golden Globe Awards when he stepped out with his co-presenter Kate Beckinsale to announce the nominees for Best Actress in a Film, Musical or Comedy. Not sure what to say: I didn't watch or record it, sorry Robin.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What A Week
On Jan 17, 2012, at 12:08 PM, Xenophaneros Anartaxius wrote: In my short time on this forum, I have never felt Vaj was a TM meditator, so perhaps I have missed something. I agree that he makes valid points worth thinking about. I am not familiar with what must be the material Barry refers to in thinking Vaj is a TM meditator, or at least has been close to some of them. Making a valid point does not mean one has to be in the specific context of a person you are arguing with. You have to understand, from my POV, TM is passe. At a certain point, I stopped relating to it as a valid practice in terms of where I was at. So in order to relate to it at all, it meant I had to re-inhabit that old discarded mindset. I got to a point where I didn't enjoy, nor did I find it valuable to be putting my consciousness, my new wine, in that old skin anymore.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What A Week
On Jan 17, 2012, at 12:45 PM, futur.musik wrote: It goes deeper than that. When I first joined FFL about 5 or 6 years ago, you never spoke about TM as someone who had even done it. Your big thing at the time was promoting Buddhist practices. It is much more recent, about the last two years, that you have tried to convince people that you practiced and taught TM. To the extent that you claim these things, I don't care, but when you use these false credentials to bolster the things you say regarding TM and Maharishi, that is dirty pool and you know it. Why have you stopped talking about your experiences of Buddhist practices? These are recent, and no doubt far more interesting. If by recent you mean, the last thirty years, then I guess you could call that recent. Really it's the wrong audience to discuss such things - I would tend only to discuss such things: 1) in a teaching situation, 2) by people who share the same vows and permissions that I do and that have sufficient experience.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What A Week
On Jan 17, 2012, at 1:04 PM, futur.musik wrote: So that leaves you solely the option of talking as a false authority about TM and Maharishi. Yeah, I see your point. No, as someone who practiced TM/TMSP and as someone familiar with the foibles of Mahesh Yogi, I can comment as I please, albeit as someone with broader experience in tantric Hinduism and Buddhist tantra.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What A Week
On Jan 17, 2012, at 1:40 PM, curtisdeltablues wrote: This is projected demonization at its worst. How dare you summarize the World Teacher Seminar in one sentence! There was the drama, the stage...
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What A Week
On 01/17/2012 10:16 AM, Duveyoung wrote: For what it's worth, a good friend of mine told me that Robin, SCREAMING ALOUD AT HER, slapped her in the face in front of the audience -- trying to get the demons out of her. That was all I needed to know about Robin. All his writings are for shit if he isn't willing to own up to the fact that he thought bitch slapping was spiritual therapy. I put Robin and Ravi in the same category. Totally in love with their brains buzzings. I have compassion, cuz we all loves the brains, but my friend never agreed to be slapped and humiliated in order to up-notch her spiritual ken, and I count that as assault and battery. Edg And TM'ers especially are overly impressed with their own intellects. Thing is I seem to recall a passage from MMY's commentary on the Gita about becoming too impressed with the intellect and that it is not the goal of enlightenment. The intellect is very relative and people can go over the edge with it like Willy Coyote. ;-) But FFL isn't the only place where verboseness is worshiped. I also find that on many political forums people feel the need to write an essay rather than a briefer post on a subject.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What A Week
On Jan 16, 2012, at 6:12 PM, maskedzebra wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, futur.musik futur.musik@... wrote: What a week on FFL – Robin, your posts as always sing a dynamic tune of coherent reality. I have read each one enjoyably, happily traveling along to wherever they lead, knowing that I will never be led astray logically. Thanks! Dear futur.musik, always sing a dynamic tune of coherent reality—May I have your permission to have that carved on my gravestone? I will change it (subject to your approval) to: He sang a dynamic tune of coherent reality. And I will presumably be beyond the reach of those who will be offended, even outraged at my egotism. …as you languish in the Roman Catholic Purgatorio…? Anyhow, futur.musik [what's it like to get used to a new name?], you can imagine how delighted I was to receive a compliment like this one. I can imagine see you respond most gratuitously to any compliment you get nowadays...same as it ever was? The verdict on me is not unanimous around here, as you are aware. Well, lets keep in mind, none of them's actually met you, let alone spent some considerable time around you...on stage or in audience... And don't worry: I always read my bad reviews as well as ones like this one. Well thanks, glad to hear it...!
