RE: [farsiweb] Persian input with US/European keyboard
Title: Message Hi, I tried your demo at http://www.elgin.free-online.co.uk/fdemo_online.htm and found that some of the substitution rules you use are problematic (e.g., in the beginning of a new line, "oftad" generates and NOT ; in front of certain punctuation marks, "do" generates and NOT ); what's more, punctuation in LTR (Latin) insert mode does not work properly -- it always follows RTL rules! Also, there are a number of *free* phonetic keyboards for Farsi and other RTL languages that work nicely under Word or other wordprocessors. (There are even solutions for Win98 or Word97, using the so-called Arabic presentation forms, but this is an approach I would not recommend.) Best regards, Peter E. Hauer Linguaosft Vienna, Austria -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nigel GreenwoodSent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 12:37 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [farsiweb] Persian input with US/European keyboard Connie Bobroff of Wahington University has kindly suggested that I bring our ScriptMaster software products PerScript and PerScribe to the attention of list members who would like to type Farsi using a US/European OS. For most users, particularly those with Windows XP or Windows 2000, **PerScript** is more appropriate. It allows you to type (more or less!) phonetically right-to-left in a text box. The [Unicode] Persian text can then be saved as HTML or, if your system has Farsi-language support, pasted into Word for further processing. For more details and an online demo, please see: http://www.elgin.free-online.co.uk/perscript.htm If you are running Windows 98 you can still use PerScript to generate HTML -- but you won't be able to use Word (for example, Word 97) for further processing. If you really want to produce a Persian document in Word you will have to use our other product, **PerScribe**, which is a bit more complicated and in effect "tricks" Word into displaying Persian correctly. The .doc file will print out correctly, but may look strange if viewed with a WXP/W2K system. For details, please see: http://www.elgin.free-online.co.uk/perscribe.htm I would be happy to answer any questions about these programs. Nigel ___ FarsiWeb mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sharif.edu/mailman/listinfo/farsiweb
RE: [farsiweb] Persian input with US/European keyboard
Re Peter E. Hauer's message of 12 Jun 2003:
Many thanks for your patient testing feedback.
I tried your demo at
http://www.elgin.free-online.co.uk/fdemo_online.htm and found that
some of the substitution rules you use are problematic (e.g., in the
beginning of a new line, oftad generates ? and NOT ? ;
I can't replicate this, I'm afraid.
in front of certain punctuation marks, do generates ?? and NOT ??);
Could you please specify which punct. marks? Ah yes, you must mean
things like {}/. We'll look into that.
what's more, punctuation in LTR (Latin) insert mode does not work
properly -- it always follows RTL rules!
This is true. The Latin feature is intended mainly for the occasional word,
title or place name -- but I agree the punctuation should be correct if
possible.
Nigel
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RE: [farsiweb] Persian input with US/European keyboard
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Hi,When typing "o", substitution
of waw with hamzah (for alef) happens after using Backspace or Ctrl-Alt and then
Del, for example when clearing a line or the entire document in the test window,
and then typing a word beginning with "o"."Punctuation" I referred to
includes the symbols you mentioned but also normal parentheses (as well as
numerals). I found that a trick to remove the unwanted hamzah on waw is to type
a hyphen (=pseudo-space) after this letter, but that's maybe a bit too clumsy
and definitely not Unicode-compliant ...BTW, if you say that you support
input with a US or European keyboard, you should also reverse glyphs for
left/right parentheses, brackets, and so forth. (Using the left parenthesis key
for "opening parenthesis" and the left parenthesis key for "closing parenthesis"
may be logical when dealing with so-called "weak" characters in RTL context but
is misleading as the shapes you get are different from the shapes you
type.)Best regards,Peter
-Original Message-From: Nigel Greenwood [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent:
Thursday, June 12, 2003 3:51 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED];
[EMAIL PROTECTED]Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: RE: [farsiweb]
Persian input with US/European keyboardRe Peter E. Hauer's message
of 12 Jun 2003:Many thanks for your patient testing
feedback. I tried your demo at http://www.elgin.free-online.co.uk/fdemo_online.htm
and found that some of the substitution rules you use are problematic
(e.g., in the beginning of a new line, "oftad" generates ? and NOT
? ;I can't replicate this, I'm afraid. in front of
certain punctuation marks, "do" generates ?? and NOT ??);Could you
please specify which punct. marks? Ah yes, you must meanthings like
{}/. We'll look into that. what's more, punctuation in
LTR (Latin) insert mode does not work properly -- it always follows RTL
rules!This is true. The Latin feature is intended mainly for the
occasional word,title or place name -- but I agree the punctuation should be
correct ifpossible.Nigel
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[farsiweb] Persian input with US/European keyboard
Connie Bobroff of Wahington University has kindly suggested that I bring our ScriptMaster software products PerScript and PerScribe to the attention of list members who would like to type Farsi using a US/European OS. For most users, particularly those with Windows XP or Windows 2000, **PerScript** is more appropriate. It allows you to type (more or less!) phonetically right-to-left in a text box. The [Unicode] Persian text can then be saved as HTML or, if your system has Farsi-language support, pasted into Word for further processing. For more details and an online demo, please see: http://www.elgin.free-online.co.uk/perscript.htm If you are running Windows 98 you can still use PerScript to generate HTML -- but you won't be able to use Word (for example, Word 97) for further processing. If you really want to produce a Persian document in Word you will have to use our other product, **PerScribe**, which is a bit more complicated and in effect tricks Word into displaying Persian correctly. The .doc file will print out correctly, but may look strange if viewed with a WXP/W2K system. For details, please see: http://www.elgin.free-online.co.uk/perscribe.htm I would be happy to answer any questions about these programs. Nigel ___ FarsiWeb mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sharif.edu/mailman/listinfo/farsiweb
[farsiweb] Persian input with US/European keyboard
Hi Nigel! This program of yours, it is not free, is it? Also, there is a link on your page to Eurofarsi or something like that. As a movement which has no authority over Persian language, this site offers no valuable information, insight, or help, to Persian writing people around the world. It only adds to the problems! (If i am not wrong, this site has been up for at least some 4-5 years now and so far, it has been on its own) Learning new combination of latin alphabets for Persian characters per se is not that new or helping. I liked to see it in FarsiTeX as it would help to creat an input file no matter what the platform, Linux, Windows, Mac, etc. However, I, personally, could not make myself go thru learning new key combinations just to type Persian specially on XP. I have the keyboard already available to me, in XP, and I would only need to learn which letter is where ;) Regards, Mostafa ___ FarsiWeb mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sharif.edu/mailman/listinfo/farsiweb
