Re: A sad day for Fedora, A disappointment for Open Source
Quoting John Baer [EMAIL PROTECTED]: To add insult to injury all of the time we are working on artwork Fedora launches echo in RC1 although the decision on artwork is pending and many would agree the echo project is incomplete and not tested. Actually it is tested through FC6 (I primairly use it by default) and F7T1. So far there is six bugs reports and I currently investigating one of them. Remember no icon theme will be completed because applications use their own. For now, main icons are priority. -- Luya Tshimbalanga Fedora Project contributor http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/LuyaTshimbalanga ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: A sad day for Fedora, A disappointment for Open Source
This is truly a sad day for Fedora and a disappointment for the community of Open Source. If Fedora did not want our help simply state it, close down the list server, call it good. Diana certainly has the skill and talent to do the artwork and obviously doesn't need our help. Letting this sham go on for months while folks invest their time and honest effort is completely contrary to the spirit of open source. To add insult to injury all of the time we are working on artwork Fedora launches echo in RC1 although the decision on artwork is pending and many would agree the echo project is incomplete and not tested. It sounds to me there are personal agendas playing out and those agendas have nothing to do with open source and the community of fedora. At this point the only thing left to do is make up excuses and assign blame. Pity, John From the user's point of view, this is good news. It's a simple fact that computer geeks are rarely competent when it comes to graphics design and artwork. The horrible look of community distros like Debian is the living proof for this observation whereas OpenSUSE or Fedora are an order of magnitude ahead [ok, your designs are not that bad but still fairly amateurish]. Some polish by a graphics professional was really needed, and I am glad to hear that Diana whose work has always been extremely well done is going to give a final touch to the artwork for F7. Since it will be apparently based on your Flying high theme you should be rather pleased about this development, shouldn't you? An overhaul of your submissions should not be considered personally offending. Personally, I would have gone for Borealis but somehow a decision had to be made .. And regarding the Echo icon theme, I do not see any interference with the the remaining artwork. They are rather independent from each other. -- Der GMX SmartSurfer hilft bis zu 70% Ihrer Onlinekosten zu sparen! Ideal für Modem und ISDN: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/smartsurfer ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: A sad day for Fedora, A disappointment for Open Source
On 14/02/07, John Baer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If Fedora did not want our help simply state it, close down the list server, call it good. Diana certainly has the skill and talent to do the artwork and obviously doesn't need our help. Letting this sham go on for months while folks invest their time and honest effort is completely contrary to the spirit of open source. I think that shutting down the list is a little OTT but I see what your problem is and I share it; it seems it's a case of thanks-and-bye with FC7. This didn't happen last time round IIRC, Mola's 3D rendering was certainly helped toward the end with professional efforts but that was after a lot of commnity development. On 14/02/07, Joachim Frieben [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Some polish by a graphics professional was really needed, and I am glad to hear that Diana whose work has always been extremely well done is going to give a final touch to the artwork for F7. [...] somehow a decision had to be made .. This is what I'm slightly disappointed with more; the decision should really be made by the community who make it from the remaining leading choices. I feel that if any more work needed to be done, it should at least be done with comms with this list. From the way it's coming across, there will be nothing until release day when we shall find out for ourselves. That's my tuppence, anyways. And regarding the Echo icon theme, I do not see any interference with the the remaining artwork. They are rather independent from each other. True; as I've said before, the Echo stuff is much more long term. There's still issues other than simply final artwork that need to be sorted, such as KDE support etc. -- ..// seawolf //.. Ben Arnold e-mail / msn / icq / yahoo iamseawolf (at) gmail (dot) com http://clik.to/seawolfsanctuary fedora core : artwork GnuPG Available - ask me! ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: A sad day for Fedora, A disappointment for Open Source
Joachim Frieben wrote: From the user's point of view, this is good news. It's a simple fact that computer geeks are rarely competent when it comes to graphics design and artwork. The horrible look of community distros like Debian is the living proof for this observation whereas OpenSUSE or Fedora are an order of magnitude ahead [ok, your designs are not that bad but still fairly amateurish]. Fedora is claimed also to be a community project. If it is not, then we should just declare this mailing list and the Art project closed and stop using them.And just sit back and each 6 months when a new version is released act as fanboys and worship the great powers that brought us the graphics (you know, just like in the Windows or Mac world). Since it will be apparently based on your Flying high theme you should be rather pleased about this development, shouldn't you? An overhaul of your submissions should not be considered personally offending. I think John is upset because he was left to work and work on his own design and nobody told him this is useless, even if people had known for weeks how things are going. It seems the other people who proposed themes just felt the direction of the wind and lowered the priority of Fedora Art on their work queue. I avoided to talk about this as I don't want to be categorized as a FUD spreader and flamewar igniter. And regarding the Echo icon theme, I do not see any interference with the the remaining artwork. They are rather independent from each other. The link between the desktop theme and the icon theme is indeed very loose: an icon theme is a huge work for one single full-time developer, so without help from the larger community the job may get never done. And with an alienated community this help can be lost. -- nicu Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: A sad day for Fedora, A disappointment for Open Source
Instead of being disappointed, take a look to http://www.isity.net/blog/?p=60 Be glad your theme has been selected for the design. -- Luya Tshimbalanga Fedora Project contributor http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/LuyaTshimbalanga ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: A sad day for Fedora, A disappointment for Open Source
Uno Engborg wrote: The process for how, the themes was supposed to be developed should have been clear from start. That way everybody could have been happy. It would have been so simple to fix this. Instead of posting to the www.isity.net Diana could have posted her progress here or on the fedora art wiki. Posting on the blog is also important, it is marketing for the project (and marketing for the blog poster herself). But it should not *replace* communication on the mailing list, otherwise the rest of the members of the list feel themselves left in the dust. -- nicu Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: A sad day for Fedora, A disappointment for Open Source
Le mercredi 14 février 2007 à 11:49 +0200, Nicu Buculei a écrit : I think John is upset because he was left to work and work on his own design and nobody told him this is useless, even if people had known for weeks how things are going. I am not very familiar with this list, but I did not imagine any second that John's work would be published in the final distro. I don't really know how to say this (I really DONT want to be offensive or criticise his work) : his theme is great, FULL of many ideas and many ideas for many different themes. He has a great talent, I don't have such and I am really anvious not to be able to do the same. But his work does not look as professional as what professional designers / artists, like Mairin and Diana, can do. signature.asc Description: Ceci est une partie de message numériquement signée ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: A sad day for Fedora, A disappointment for Open Source
Fedora is claimed also to be a community project. If it is not, then we should just declare this mailing list and the Art project closed and stop using them.And just sit back and each 6 months when a new version is released act as fanboys and worship the great powers that brought us the graphics (you know, just like in the Windows or Mac world). Nevertheless, user interface and artwork have a crucial impact on perception and acceptance of the final product by the user community and interested parties. It is too important to leave it solely to a bunch of self proclaimed artists. And from the submissions that I have seen [mind you, I am perfectly entitled to express my personal point of view even -without- being an art contributor myself] I am rather sceptical wether the Fedora developer community itself can provide the expertise which is necessary to design an ergonomic and visually appealing user interface. I suppose many users care much less about exactly which kernel version they are running than if the user interface is nice and functional. Fedora is in the favourable situation of being backed by Red Hat which allows to help finalize the artwork by a graphics professional. And this is certainly not the least aspect which has made Fedora the success it actually is. I think John is upset because he was left to work and work on his own design and nobody told him this is useless, even if people had known for weeks how things are going. Btw, we should he be upset when it was not even warranted that his submission would be retained at all? The number of postings to this list can hardly be considered a valid criterion which proposal to pick! -- Feel free - 5 GB Mailbox, 50 FreeSMS/Monat ... Jetzt GMX ProMail testen: www.gmx.net/de/go/mailfooter/promail-out ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: go-home echo icon concept
Quoting Martin Sourada [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi again, I made the icons for 16x16, 24x24 and 48x48 sizes and tried to follow echo guidlines. I attach all. What do you think? This go-home icon looks odd because it looks out of place in echo world. It will on kids theme IMHO. I suggest to take a look on user-home icon from echo so you can get some ideas. -- Luya Tshimbalanga Fedora Project contributor http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/LuyaTshimbalanga ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
