Re: Candidates for Fedora 10 CD/DVD sleeves

2008-10-06 Thread Rahul Sundaram

Jarod Wen wrote:

Hi all,

I have just finished my first attempt: two candidates for the live cd, 
one for the install dvd. 

The style of the design follows the previous version used in Fedora 9. 
Most of the sources used in these design are from the source of Solar 
theme of Fedora 10. Since I am a newbie in design using Gimp and 
Inkscape, there are lots of learner's attempts... Please don't hesitate 
to give me any suggestions to improve the source files.


You can find them from the link:

http://www.ccs.neu.edu/home/jarodwen/Fedora/10/sleeve_arts/sleeve_arts.html


IIRC, the number of different colors shoots up the printing cost of the 
material drastically. Shades of the same color is ok. You might want to 
keep that in mind.


Rahul

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GIMP 2.6 packages

2008-10-06 Thread Rahul Sundaram

Hi

RPM packages

http://www.nabble.com/GIMP-2.6.0-for-Fedora-8-9-(Was:-Re:-ANNOUNCE:-GIMP-2.6.0)-p19815879.html

Rahul

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Re: Candidates for Fedora 10 CD/DVD sleeves

2008-10-06 Thread Nicu Buculei

Rahul Sundaram wrote:


IIRC, the number of different colors shoots up the printing cost of the 
material drastically. Shades of the same color is ok. You might want to 
keep that in mind.


That is a real concern when printing on the real CD on large scale, but 
for inkjet sleeve printing (do yourself at home) it is not a problem.


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Re: Candidates for Fedora 10 CD/DVD sleeves

2008-10-06 Thread Nicu Buculei

Ian Weller wrote:


You might want to use the MgOpen Modata font, as that's the font that
Fedora uses for pretty much everything in their designs. You can get it
installed by running
  yum install mgopen-fonts


Yeah, MgOpen Modata for the release number (10), disk title (x86 LiveCD) 
and for the url (fp.o). But the copyright text *may* be better (has to 
be tested) to stay with a plain font (Liberation, DejaVu) for readability.


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Re: Candidates for Fedora 10 CD/DVD sleeves

2008-10-06 Thread Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams
On Sun, 2008-10-05 at 21:00 -0500, Ian Weller wrote:
 On Sun, Oct 05, 2008 at 09:46:09PM -0400, Jarod Wen wrote:
  http://www.ccs.neu.edu/home/jarodwen/Fedora/10/sleeve_arts/sleeve_arts.html
 
 Otherwise, back to the art... very nice! For the CD cases it seems like
 the sun isn't the same as the DVD case or the rest of the artwork...
 could you check that?

It's the same base XCF, but some of the layers have been hidden,
removing some of the surface turbulence and most of the foreground
flares. If we're going with the top image though, I'd like to see those
layers restored.

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Re: GIMP 2.6 packages

2008-10-06 Thread Nicu Buculei

Rahul Sundaram wrote:


RPM packages

http://www.nabble.com/GIMP-2.6.0-for-Fedora-8-9-(Was:-Re:-ANNOUNCE:-GIMP-2.6.0)-p19815879.html 


I understand that I sound like a n00b, but I feel a bit uncomfortable 
about updating glib2 this way.


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Re: Candidates for Fedora 10 CD/DVD sleeves

2008-10-06 Thread Paul W. Frields
On Sun, Oct 05, 2008 at 09:46:09PM -0400, Jarod Wen wrote:
 http://www.ccs.neu.edu/home/jarodwen/Fedora/10/sleeve_arts/sleeve_arts.html

Other people are better suited to critique and adjust the design,
fonts, and so forth.  Some things we should also do with the jackets:

* For Live CD, include a small bit of information about how to use the
  media: This disc contains a complete bootable Fedora environment.
  To use it, make sure your computer supports booting from its CD or
  DVD drive.  Then insert the disc, turn the computer's power on, and
  follow the prompts.  If you enjoy this Fedora environment, you can
  copy it to your computer using the desktop 'Install to Hard Disk'
  icon.  For further assistance, visit help.fedoraproject.org.

* Make sure that the printing of the design is going to be a
  reasonable cost for the Ambassadors bulk-ordering the discs.  If
  there are any sort of color restrictions, we should get those
  figured out up-front.  I believe the NA Ambassadors were working
  with Karlie Robinson on duplication.  I'm not sure whether they are
  getting sleeves made by the same vendor.


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Re: Re: Candidates for Fedora 10 CD/DVD sleeves

2008-10-06 Thread Jarod Wen


On Oct 6, 2008, at 6:40 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


On Sun, 2008-10-05 at 21:00 -0500, Ian Weller wrote:

On Sun, Oct 05, 2008 at 09:46:09PM -0400, Jarod Wen wrote:

http://www.ccs.neu.edu/home/jarodwen/Fedora/10/sleeve_arts/sleeve_arts.html


Otherwise, back to the art... very nice! For the CD cases it seems  
like
the sun isn't the same as the DVD case or the rest of the  
artwork...

could you check that?


It's the same base XCF, but some of the layers have been hidden,
removing some of the surface turbulence and most of the foreground
flares. If we're going with the top image though, I'd like to see  
those

layers restored.



It is really the problem for me to merge the same planet from DVD to  
CD, since I didn't find a better way to copy several layers together  
to another Gimp file(I am a newbie there...), so finally I made a png  
for the planet image and combine it into the CD files. I am sure that  
the conversion from layers to png has eaten something... Anyone gives  
me some ideas on that?



Ian Weller wrote:


You might want to use the MgOpen Modata font, as that's the font that
Fedora uses for pretty much everything in their designs. You can  
get it

installed by running
 yum install mgopen-fonts


Yeah, MgOpen Modata for the release number (10), disk title (x86  
LiveCD)

and for the url (fp.o). But the copyright text *may* be better (has to
be tested) to stay with a plain font (Liberation, DejaVu) for  
readability.



In fact I used the MgOpen Moderna, since when I tried to use MgOpen  
Modata, I found that the effects on my works showed a little  
difference from the ones in the sleeves of Fedora 9, where MgOpen  
Modata was used. I think I can changed it soon.




Rahul Sundaram wrote:


IIRC, the number of different colors shoots up the printing cost of  
the
material drastically. Shades of the same color is ok. You might  
want to

keep that in mind.


That is a real concern when printing on the real CD on large scale,  
but

for inkjet sleeve printing (do yourself at home) it is not a problem.


Ye guys, you are right. I didn't consider this problem. I will try to  
decrease the number of colors.


Thanks for all of your comments!

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Re: Re: Candidates for Fedora 10 CD/DVD sleeves

2008-10-06 Thread duffy
Hi Jarod!

 On Oct 6, 2008, at 6:40 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On Sun, 2008-10-05 at 21:00 -0500, Ian Weller wrote:
 On Sun, Oct 05, 2008 at 09:46:09PM -0400, Jarod Wen wrote:
 http://www.ccs.neu.edu/home/jarodwen/Fedora/10/sleeve_arts/sleeve_arts.html

 Otherwise, back to the art... very nice! For the CD cases it seems
 like
 the sun isn't the same as the DVD case or the rest of the
 artwork...
 could you check that?

 It's the same base XCF, but some of the layers have been hidden,
 removing some of the surface turbulence and most of the foreground
 flares. If we're going with the top image though, I'd like to see
 those
 layers restored.

 It is really the problem for me to merge the same planet from DVD to
 CD, since I didn't find a better way to copy several layers together
 to another Gimp file(I am a newbie there...), so finally I made a png
 for the planet image and combine it into the CD files. I am sure that
 the conversion from layers to png has eaten something... Anyone gives
 me some ideas on that?

From the aurora in the image it looks like you may be using an older
version of the XCF. I would strongly recommend just using one of the png
wallpapers as the base image to use right now as you can be assured those
are okay to use.

 Yeah, MgOpen Modata for the release number (10), disk title (x86
 LiveCD)
 and for the url (fp.o). But the copyright text *may* be better (has to
 be tested) to stay with a plain font (Liberation, DejaVu) for
 readability.


 In fact I used the MgOpen Moderna, since when I tried to use MgOpen
 Modata, I found that the effects on my works showed a little
 difference from the ones in the sleeves of Fedora 9, where MgOpen
 Modata was used. I think I can changed it soon.

It definitely doesn't look like MgOpen Modata, I'm not sure what's gone
wrong for you.

 That is a real concern when printing on the real CD on large scale,
 but for inkjet sleeve printing (do yourself at home) it is not a problem.

 Ye guys, you are right. I didn't consider this problem. I will try to
 decrease the number of colors.

Actually you don't have to worry about this for the sleeves. It is only
the disc designs themselves that are color-limited because of the screen
printing process used to print them. So the colors are fine, but I would
replace the image with one of the wallpaper pngs because it looks like
it's one of the older, uncleaned versions.

~m

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[Echo] format-text-* icons

2008-10-06 Thread Martin Sourada
Hi,

I've just finished four of the format-text-* icons. For the ones for ltr
and rtl I am not yet sure what metaphor to use and since I don't
remember seeing them anywhere I think we can wait with their fix for
later. 

Some background to the design I used: I've started with the 16x16 size
this time (usually I start with the bigger ones) because these icons are
really crucial to be crisp and have recognisable metaphor especially in
small sizes (usually they are in tool bars in the 22x22/24x24 version). 

After few tries I decided to go button-like. It is like you create a
button with the shape of the original letter, but without any holes in
it and draw the letter on it. First it is consistent with e.g.
dialog-cancel design, second it is easy to recognise and third (and most
important) - when you add the holes, it makes the icon hard to read. 

I used URW Bookman L font for the design because it nicely shows
differences between bold/normal/italics font faces. I hope the usage is
OK, the font is not embed in the SVG - I converted it to paths to be
able to better work with it. I followed gnome metaphors in using only
a because b (bold), i (italics) and u (underline) is English
based and not suggestive in many other languages (like my own, Czech).

I attach 32x32 versions for quick comparison, the one-canvas ones are
available at my fedora people page [1].

Comments welcome,
Martin

References:
[1] http://mso.fedorapeople.org/echo/Actions/
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Re: [Echo] format-text-* icons

2008-10-06 Thread Nicu Buculei

Martin Sourada wrote:


After few tries I decided to go button-like. It is like you create a
button with the shape of the original letter, but without any holes in
it and draw the letter on it. First it is consistent with e.g.
dialog-cancel design, second it is easy to recognise and third (and most
important) - when you add the holes, it makes the icon hard to read. 


I think I have to *see* those button-like icons in a real toolbar to 
decide if I like the style. The PNGs saved on my desktop do not look 
good on a colored background, but not that bad on a light gray one 
opened with eog.


I think the shape for striketrough would be better with the dash on the 
same plane as the letter face, not on top of it (attached). Probably you 
can do it better with extra details (show the top of the dash).



I used URW Bookman L font for the design because it nicely shows
differences between bold/normal/italics font faces. I hope the usage is
OK, the font is not embed in the SVG - I converted it to paths to be


Isn't the font Free? I think it is.


able to better work with it. I followed gnome metaphors in using only
a because b (bold), i (italics) and u (underline) is English
based and not suggestive in many other languages (like my own, Czech).

I attach 32x32 versions for quick comparison, the one-canvas ones are
available at my fedora people page [1].


And I attached a preview with all the icons grouped, I find it much 
better for previewing.


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Re: [Echo] format-text-* icons

2008-10-06 Thread Martin Sourada
On Mon, 2008-10-06 at 18:18 +0300, Nicu Buculei wrote:
 Martin Sourada wrote:
  
  After few tries I decided to go button-like. It is like you create a
  button with the shape of the original letter, but without any holes in
  it and draw the letter on it. First it is consistent with e.g.
  dialog-cancel design, second it is easy to recognise and third (and most
  important) - when you add the holes, it makes the icon hard to read. 
 
 I think I have to *see* those button-like icons in a real toolbar to 
 decide if I like the style. The PNGs saved on my desktop do not look 
 good on a colored background, but not that bad on a light gray one 
 opened with eog.
 
Well, the first impression is not the best one in this case, you are not
used to this type of icons, but after a while it gets better - during
the long time I've created these (I didn't have much time to work on
them) I grew to love them...

 I think the shape for striketrough would be better with the dash on the 
 same plane as the letter face, not on top of it (attached). Probably you 
 can do it better with extra details (show the top of the dash).
I haven't tried this one but it seems to look better :-)

 And I attached a preview with all the icons grouped, I find it much 
 better for previewing.
 
Well, previewing is best in tool bar... but for that I would need to add
the icons to the theme first (I've done this with some of the system -
administration icons) ;-)

Martin


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Re: Second draft of candidates for F10 solar CD/DVD sleeves

2008-10-06 Thread Jarod Wen
Sorry guys, I forgot to change the font for the number 10... The  
problem has been fixed. The link has not been changed.


On Oct 6, 2008, at 6:53 PM, Jarod Wen wrote:


Hi All,

Please find the updated draft of candidates for F10 solar CD/DVD  
sleeves from this link:




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Re: GIMP 2.6 packages

2008-10-06 Thread Gian Paolo Mureddu

Nicu Buculei escribió:

Rahul Sundaram wrote:


RPM packages

http://www.nabble.com/GIMP-2.6.0-for-Fedora-8-9-(Was:-Re:-ANNOUNCE:-GIMP-2.6.0)-p19815879.html 



I understand that I sound like a n00b, but I feel a bit uncomfortable 
about updating glib2 this way.




Indeed. It'd be much better an official update, especially when you have 
into consideration the number of dependencies to build the package for 
say F8 x86_64 (or PPC)


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Re: Second draft of candidates for F10 solar CD/DVD sleeves

2008-10-06 Thread Nicu Buculei

Jarod Wen wrote:


As mentioned by ~m, since the color issue is not a key one now, I kept 
the original color design for this version. I will try to figure out how 
to decrease the number of colors while keeping the better performance(it 
is a little hard to me as a newbie... :-P).


I don't think you will be able the reduce the number of colors, the only 
change is to do something like the GRUB screen (a simplified image).


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