Re: [Echo] format-text-* icons

2008-10-19 Thread Luya Tshimbalanga
Martin Sourada a écrit :

 I suppose you're talking about the 16x16 version? It should be fixed
 now. Check the attachment.

   
Yes, that 16x16 version. Could you sightly reduce gradient on
upper-right? Other than that, no further comment.

Luya



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Re: [Echo] New emblem-symbolic-link icon set draft

2008-10-19 Thread Martin Sourada
On Fri, 2008-10-17 at 21:04 -0700, Luya Tshimbalanga wrote:
 Martin Sourada a écrit :
  Looking better but still not good enough, I think. Try to shape the icon
  in similar style like in gnome icon theme (with isometric pesrspective
  though). You should add shadow as well.
 
  Martin

 New version of emblem-symbolic-link.
 
The shape is better, but

 a) the white outline has differing width and in 16x16 it's missing
completely use 2px thick in 48x48, and 1px in 24x24, 32x32 can have
either 1px or 1.5px width, whatever looks better. I'd also to create it
from inkscape-drawn outline (4px resp. 2px width) with rounded
edges/corners.
 b) the arrow head looks subjectively too big, probably because of a)
 c) the arrow looks like it's falling over. It should be standing, not
laying.

Martin


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Re: [Echo] New emblem-symbolic-link icon set draft

2008-10-19 Thread Martin Sourada
On Sun, 2008-10-19 at 11:42 +0200, Martin Sourada wrote:
  a) the white outline has differing width and in 16x16 it's missing
 completely use 2px thick in 48x48, and 1px in 24x24, 32x32 can have
 either 1px or 1.5px width, whatever looks better. I'd also to create it
 from inkscape-drawn outline (4px resp. 2px width) with rounded
 edges/corners.
  b) the arrow head looks subjectively too big, probably because of a)
  c) the arrow looks like it's falling over. It should be standing, not
 laying.
 
 Martin
I attach 256x256 example which addresses these issues.

Martin
attachment: emblem-symbolic-link.pngattachment: emblem-symbolic-link.svg

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Fwd: state of the icon theme

2008-10-19 Thread William Jon McCann
FYI.

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From: Jakub Steiner [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sat, Oct 18, 2008 at 2:03 PM
Subject: state of the icon theme
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After chatting with Jon McCann on IRC the other day it came up people
are confused about the icon theme situation. Turns out there may be
designers who would like to contribute icon artwork upstream, but aren't
sure what project exactly.

As most of the people involved in the Tango project are also heavily
involved with the gnome-art project, it's perhaps hard to see why both
projects exist.

The Tango project is about defining the 'neutral' common ground in terms
of icon style. It aims to provide guidelines to any free software
developer as to how to style their application icons. A side project is
the icon naming spec [2] defining the core desktop icon set in terms of
naming and metaphors. Tango's aim _isn't_ creation of an
all-encompassing icon theme that everybody should use.

Tango-icon-theme was the first implementation of the style guidelines
and has actually made writing the guidelines possible. Sadly its
existence made many people think Tango project is about creating this
icon theme. The original plan was that this base desktop theme would be
used by the two main desktop environments KDE and GNOME. That sadly
didn't happen. On top of that, the CCBYSA license chosen for the theme
also prevented derived icons to be shipped with GPLed projects and some
distributions even refused to ship the standalone theme. Thus for the
GNOME project some of us continued to apply the Tango style to the
existing gnome-icon-theme.

Recently Novell has agreed to put all the assets from the old
tango-icon-theme into public domain to allow the creation of what we
call the tango-icon-library[3]. Along with the style guidelines these
assets will help 3rd party developers to create their icon artwork and
help spread the adoption of the style. Tango artists have worked with
many upstream projects to have their icon artwork follow the style
guidelines in the past. We have projects like Pidgin, GIMP, GNOME,
Firefox, Scribus following the style. Sadly KDE project chose not to
follow the guidelines when creating their base icon theme Oxygen, but
their style is not that far away, especially taking into account the
future enhancements to the style I'll talk about.

There has been some criticism of the Tango style to be outdated and
non-modern. While I certainly don't identify with that, we have
experimented with adding a high resolution variant of the icons. No
style guideline has been written yet, but it's essentially a highly
detailed, almost photo-realistic look for high density displays and some
other special cases. We are at a point where this style can be somewhat
described and put into the Tango style guidelines as an optional size.

Just like with the original tango-icon-theme, to iterate the final style
for the high resolution icons, we have created and been working on an
icon theme codenamed Mango [4]. This theme is currently developed in a
git repository on freedesktop, but with the past experience I think this
should become the next iteration of the GNOME desktop base icon theme
and move to gnome svn/infrastructure rather than aiming to make this a
common/fallback/hicolor theme [5].

So to answer the original question -- if you're a designer looking to
work on upstream projects -- to minimize the duplicity of work we're
doing -- pick any free software project that is in need of icon art and
make sure it follows the Tango style guidelines. GNOME is one of such
projects and the new icon theme will need a lot of work in the area of
high resolution alternatives. We would surely welcome any help from
experienced designers who actually do exist in free software companies
as I have recently found out.

Discussions about the style should be happening on the tango-artists
mailing list [6], matters around the gnome-icon-theme should be
discussed on the gnome-themes list [7].

I hope this summary makes up for the long radio silence.

[1] http://tango.freedesktop.org/Tango_Icon_Theme_Guidelines
[2] 
http://standards.freedesktop.org/icon-naming-spec/icon-naming-spec-latest.html
[3] http://cgit.freedesktop.org/tango/tango-icon-library/
[4] http://cgit.freedesktop.org/tango/tango-icon-theme/
[5] We need to discuss this with KDE/Oxygen people
[6] http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/tango-artists
[7] http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-themes-list

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New design for Get-fedora section

2008-10-19 Thread Juan Camilo Prada Ojeda
hello guys, so its me again showing here the new design for the get-fedora
section.

As planed for Fedora 10 release the get-fedora section should be changed
providing a better interface for new users (and old users as well) to get
the installation media.
This new design tries to help new users while not getting in the way of
experienced users who wants to download Fedora, as well as providing links
to mirrors, spins and torrent files, also some information was added to make
each choice more understandable following some old ideas that i've worked on
before[1]

So, please check the publicktest15[2] and give some feedback on the design.
Also (and this goes specially to the art team ^^ ) the icons that are
displayed on the new design are not the ones that should be used, those were
taken from google and i'm not sure about any legal issues they might have
so, i would like to know if we already have some similar icons to those on
the Echo Icon theme, as it would be good the icons fit that theme. If we do
have them please let me know where to find them and if we dont have them
so... is anyone willing to help making the icons to replace the current ones
on the new design :) ?

Im open to any feedback you can provide

[1] - http://jprada.fedorapeople.org/out/en/get-fedora
[2] - http://publictest15.fedoraproject.org/en/get-fedora

Juank
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Re: New design for Get-fedora section

2008-10-19 Thread Mairin Duffy

Juan Camilo Prada Ojeda wrote:

Im open to any feedback you can provide

[1] - http://jprada.fedorapeople.org/out/en/get-fedora
[2] - http://publictest15.fedoraproject.org/en/get-fedora


This doesn' t look like:

http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/webdesign/get-fedora/

~m

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Re: New design for Get-fedora section

2008-10-19 Thread Juan Camilo Prada
On Sun, 2008-10-19 at 19:49 -0400, Mairin Duffy wrote:
 Juan Camilo Prada Ojeda wrote:
  Im open to any feedback you can provide
  
  [1] - http://jprada.fedorapeople.org/out/en/get-fedora
  [2] - http://publictest15.fedoraproject.org/en/get-fedora
 
 This doesn' t look like:
 
 http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/webdesign/get-fedora/
 
 ~m

Not sure what you mean by that, but taking a look at what you have
there, i would say that the first section where the Desktop live media
is promoted as the only option to download, might be good to use it in
the home page, as we discussed some time ago (if in previous meetings
you all changed your mind and decided that this was the way to go then
please ignore this comment). 

Now, the information on how to upgrade fedora seems very useful but im
not sure if it should be there or in any other sub-page linked from the
get-fedora section, that might be something to discuss (again if this
was discussed before ignore this).

The other download options is pretty much the same i have on the third
column although yours looks more polished. I'm gonna try an change the
style on the third column to make it look more like what you have there
and see how it looks-

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Re: New design for Get-fedora section

2008-10-19 Thread Mairin Duffy

Juan Camilo Prada wrote:

On Sun, 2008-10-19 at 19:49 -0400, Mairin Duffy wrote:

Juan Camilo Prada Ojeda wrote:

Im open to any feedback you can provide

[1] - http://jprada.fedorapeople.org/out/en/get-fedora
[2] - http://publictest15.fedoraproject.org/en/get-fedora

This doesn' t look like:

http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/webdesign/get-fedora/

~m


Not sure what you mean by that, but taking a look at what you have
there, i would say that the first section where the Desktop live media
is promoted as the only option to download, might be good to use it in
the home page, as we discussed some time ago (if in previous meetings
you all changed your mind and decided that this was the way to go then
please ignore this comment). 


Maybe I don't recall the last of the many, many discussions we've had on 
this page but I kind of thought there had been some consensus on the 
design link I posted... which was done based on feedback on this list 
about the first few designs.


As I believe was mentioned the last time this page was discussed, we 
really need to avoid a field of buttons and widgets all over the page. 
This does not make getting Fedora simple. In fact, I believe we had 
discussed the first page being simple, and there being a more advanced 
page that maybe could look like the mockup you've done? (Am I going senile?)


Now, the information on how to upgrade fedora seems very useful but im
not sure if it should be there or in any other sub-page linked from the
get-fedora section, that might be something to discuss (again if this
was discussed before ignore this).


I think maybe you might want to check the list archives to see the 
discussion because I think you may have missed it.


The other download options is pretty much the same i have on the third
column although yours looks more polished. I'm gonna try an change the
style on the third column to make it look more like what you have there
and see how it looks-


Can you implement the page as it is in the mockup?

~m

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