Re: Art ideas for Fedora 11 (grub, boot, splashes, window decorations, button styles etc...)
2008/12/23 Paul W. Frields sticks...@gmail.com: On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 04:35:37PM -0800, Máirín Duffy wrote: Mark wrote: On Tue, Dec 23, 2008 at 12:04 AM, Máirín Duffy du...@fedoraproject.org wrote: Hi Mark, Mark wrote: So what do you think about this? Is it worth starting to make mockups? We are going to wait until the F11 codename is decided on (in a couple of weeks or so) until we decide what to do about the theme. A few of us discussed this earlier and felt that if we all worked on the same idea rather than each person working on a different idea, then we could all work together rather than separately and come up with a more collaborative, higher-quality theme. We are worried that the codename may not be so inspirational for a theme, but even if it isn't, we can have a meeting or some kind of brainstorming session where we can reach a nice, visually pleasing theme idea together to move forward with, inspired by the codename or not. So let's wait a couple of weeks and reach a decision together, is that okay? ~m Just opinions on the theme idea regardless of the name would be fine with me. I'm also fine with your suggestion. Could you send me a PM (so i'm sure that i don't miss it) with when and where (irc probably) the brainstorming session is. We haven't scheduled it yet, still waiting on the name to be decided on. I think sometime early in January, the exact date may be on the naming wiki page Paul posted a couple of weeks ago to this list. (Sorry I don't remember it off-hand) https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Name_suggestions_for_Fedora_11 January 10 is when we'll announce, at FUDCon Boston 2009. -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list Hey again, The new name is now known: Leonidas but my question for the theme still stands. So here is my initial post on this subject again: -- Hey, I was just looking through the art list for once in a while again and i would like to suggest some ideas i have for fedora 11. Just to see if they are possible to get in or if they don't even make a chance. My idea for the general theme is to go back to the old fedora days. fedora 1, 2, 3 and 4 and base a theme on that style. Then that style has to be visible everywhere throughout fedora: - Grub - Boot - Splashes (kde, gnome etc...) - Window Decorations (reed WIN-DEC) - Button styles WIN-DEC: Fedora has Nodoka for a few releases now but everytime i see fedora again i feel like i want to go back to the old theme of the first four fedora releases. That theme wasn't bad and looked very good. I am actually now downloading Fedora Core 4 to see how all looked exactly. To refresh everyone's mind. here is a screenshot tour. http://bigmonkey.claudeplante.com/20070619/images/20070619_42.jpg http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=articleitem=204num=1 now i'm NOT suggesting to re-use that theme in the same style but just to create a new theme based on those colors. So what do you think about this? Is it worth starting to make mockups? -- ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Art ideas for Fedora 11 (grub, boot, splashes, window decorations, button styles etc...)
Mark wrote: The new name is now known: Leonidas but my question for the theme still stands. So here is my initial post on this subject again: I don't think the themes of FC1-4 were particularly notable, and I do think it is worth discussing a new theme for F11. Nased on Leonidas we could do something related to water or something kind of nautical. - We could get some inspiration from traditional nautical tools, like compasses, navigational charts, telescope, all that kind of stuff. It could have a kind of steampunk look. - Or we can get some inspiration from water and water traffic. For example, imagine time lapse photos of a river in a city over the course of a day, with folks rowing crew in the morning, sailing in the afternoon, with tour/party boats coming through in the evening - for the time-lapse wallpaper. We could also have Fedora contributors around the world take photos of bodies of water near where they live and those could be a set of supplemental wallpapers. ~m ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Discussion About Echo Perspective
2009/1/9 Martin Sourada martin.sour...@gmail.com: Hi all, I've just posted a poll about Echo Perspective on Fedora Forum [1] to see our user base opinion and I'd like to hear the opinions of the Art Team members as well. As you are probably aware of, we are starting Echo Perspective and are selecting the designs to start with. All the design concepts are displayed together in our latest monthly issue [2]. I'd like to hear your opinions about these designs as I don't want this decision to be two people + user base poll only, and I'd like to see more people from the Art Team involved. Also being it the Art Team, I'd like this to be rather discussion than handful of +/-1 ;-) Thanks, Martin PS: Note for new members: do not hesitate to join the discussion, your opinion is as important to us as that of the old members :) References: [1] http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?t=210159 [2] https://fedorahosted.org/echo-icon-theme/wiki/MonthlyNews/Issue4-5 Hi martin, first of all i would like to say that i like the icons (color style). The shit looking color (i really mean shit) is out now and that really improves the icons that used brown. But now something i don't understand. You seemed to be a person heavily in favor of the isometric perspective.. what happened with that idea? is isometric gone and is this the new idea? For isometric it was relatively unique in both style and idea but this new perspective is nearly plain flat. I like the icons but they are not new and there are better looking ones out there. If you're going for this new idea then you can better just quit and use tango icon library and improve that where needed. The icons you've made already look a lot like tango. I never fully understood why a new theme had to be made anyway. I did (with isometric perspective) offer something different then tango but now with the flat design it simply doesn't offer anything new or better or revolutionary or anything. So please just using/modifying tango instead of making a new icon theme that looks nearly the same. Also other applications (pidgen and openoffice (i could be wrong about this one) and a range of other applications already use tango as there default icons so the full desktop experience will probably be a lot better if that's all just using tango. I know you can modify about every app in the fedora repo to have the icons you've developed but that's, to me, just a waste of developer time. Don't get me wrong! i like your icons! i just thing that there is already a icon theme exactly like it called Tango. Good luck, Mark ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Art ideas for Fedora 11 (grub, boot, splashes, window decorations, button styles etc...)
On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 4:47 PM, Máirín Duffy du...@fedoraproject.org wrote: Mark wrote: The new name is now known: Leonidas but my question for the theme still stands. So here is my initial post on this subject again: I don't think the themes of FC1-4 were particularly notable, and I do think it is worth discussing a new theme for F11. Nased on Leonidas we could do something related to water or something kind of nautical. - We could get some inspiration from traditional nautical tools, like compasses, navigational charts, telescope, all that kind of stuff. It could have a kind of steampunk look. The things i think of here (fedora slogans): - (Compass) Fedora guides you through the linux distributions or Fedora leads the way - (Telescope) Fedora, a impact visible from space And based on those slogans you can make up a nice wallpaper ^_^ - Or we can get some inspiration from water and water traffic. For example, imagine time lapse photos of a river in a city over the course of a day, with folks rowing crew in the morning, sailing in the afternoon, with tour/party boats coming through in the evening - for the time-lapse wallpaper. We could also have Fedora contributors around the world take photos of bodies of water near where they live and those could be a set of supplemental wallpapers. It could work... not really sure what to think of it really. ~m So a new theme would be welcome. Why not on the FC1 - 4 releases (blue/purple like) which fits the name perfectly. Blue/purple is like the ocean (oke, more blue then purple). But one other theming thing... what about those rounds? and the deadlines? I would like to mock something up but anything in the next few (2 till 4) weeks is probably not gonna work for me because of a school project. And what about that brainstorming session.. which irc channel will it be? when will it be held? So much questions at this point ^_^ Regards, Mark ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Art ideas for Fedora 11 (grub, boot, splashes, window decorations, button styles etc...)
Mark wrote: So a new theme would be welcome. Why not on the FC1 - 4 releases (blue/purple like) which fits the name perfectly. Blue/purple is like the ocean (oke, more blue then purple). Are you talking about just the colors of FC1-FC4 or the actual theme? And are you talking about the *artwork* or are you talking about the GTK/metacity etc? I am just talking about artwork here But one other theming thing... what about those rounds? and the deadlines? I would like to mock something up but anything in the next few (2 till 4) weeks is probably not gonna work for me because of a school project. We aren't doing the rounds anymore. We are all going to work together on one design so our energies aren't split and we can work together more. I am at fudcon with John Poelstra right now working out the deadlines. So far it is looking like: 20 Jan - Fedora Alpha release 01 Feb - Visual concept for F11 decided 01 Mar - First draft wallpaper ready to package for Beta 10 Mar - Beta Freeze 02 Apr - splashes / rest of artwork done for packaging for preview release 14 Apr - final freeze 28 Apr - preview release 26 May - final release GA And what about that brainstorming session.. which irc channel will it be? when will it be held? We can do it right on this list. We're doing it right now :) ~m ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Art ideas for Fedora 11 (grub, boot, splashes, window decorations, button styles etc...)
On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 5:29 PM, Máirín Duffy du...@fedoraproject.org wrote: Mark wrote: So a new theme would be welcome. Why not on the FC1 - 4 releases (blue/purple like) which fits the name perfectly. Blue/purple is like the ocean (oke, more blue then purple). Are you talking about just the colors of FC1-FC4 or the actual theme? And are you talking about the *artwork* or are you talking about the GTK/metacity etc? Just the colors. and that can be used to make a new theme for Fedora 11 I am just talking about artwork here I'm kinda talking about both.. But one other theming thing... what about those rounds? and the deadlines? I would like to mock something up but anything in the next few (2 till 4) weeks is probably not gonna work for me because of a school project. We aren't doing the rounds anymore. We are all going to work together on one design so our energies aren't split and we can work together more. O yea true. i forgot that one. I am at fudcon with John Poelstra right now working out the deadlines. So far it is looking like: 20 Jan - Fedora Alpha release 01 Feb - Visual concept for F11 decided So by 01 Feb a theme design has to be made and approved (just the mockups i guess) 01 Mar - First draft wallpaper ready to package for Beta 10 Mar - Beta Freeze 02 Apr - splashes / rest of artwork done for packaging for preview release 14 Apr - final freeze So by this time the theme has to be working. Only bug fixes from there on right? 28 Apr - preview release 26 May - final release GA And what about that brainstorming session.. which irc channel will it be? when will it be held? We can do it right on this list. We're doing it right now :) True. Just a few more people that are also putting in ideas would be healthy. ~m Mark ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Discussion About Echo Perspective
On Sun, 2009-01-11 at 16:56 +0100, Mark wrote: Hi martin, Hi Mark, But now something i don't understand. You seemed to be a person heavily in favor of the isometric perspective.. what happened with that idea? is isometric gone and is this the new idea? For isometric it was relatively unique in both style and idea but this new perspective is nearly plain flat. I like the icons but they are not new and there are better looking ones out there. If you're going for this new idea then you can better just quit and use tango icon library and improve that where needed. The icons you've made already look a lot like tango. We aim with Echo to be the default icon set in Fedora. Because of the reasons you stated bellow it's better to make Echo as much consistent with gnome-icon-theme *and* oxygen as possible. Yet, we'd like to keep the Echo feel (that's why we cannot *just* modify tango). You can think of it as echo stylised tango. One the other hand, we'll continue with the isometric icons as well for those who'd like to have something more unique. In short, Echo Perspective aims to be good default, moderately consistent with upstream defaults, Echo whatever aims to be a unique set utilising different kind of projection (we use the dimetric projection, in our guidelines still called isometric perspective) than most icon themes use. I never fully understood why a new theme had to be made anyway. I did (with isometric perspective) offer something different then tango but now with the flat design it simply doesn't offer anything new or better or revolutionary or anything. So please just using/modifying tango instead of making a new icon theme that looks nearly the same. Also other applications (pidgen and openoffice (i could be wrong about this one) and a range of other applications already use tango as there default icons so the full desktop experience will probably be a lot better if that's all just using tango. I know you can modify about every app in the fedora repo to have the icons you've developed but that's, to me, just a waste of developer time. Don't get me wrong! i like your icons! i just thing that there is already a icon theme exactly like it called Tango. We'd like to be moderately consistent with Tango, but we want more lively colours and perhaps more realistic feel. It means the development can be way faster because we can reuse already developed tango or oxygen icons, only restyle them to have echo feel. But in some cases - e.g. folder or trash - we'd like to have more unique design. I also tried to do the same with the display - if you compare tango/mango/gnome/oxygen displays to my design, you'll notice many differences (personally, I don't the tango/mango design and the gnome design uses CRT monitor, which is sort of outdated). Good luck, Mark Thanks you for your comments and questions, Martin PS: If it goes on like this, I think we could have enough material to make a short FAQ page for Echo ;-) signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Discussion About Echo Perspective
2009/1/11 Martin Sourada martin.sour...@gmail.com: On Sun, 2009-01-11 at 16:56 +0100, Mark wrote: Hi martin, Hi Mark, But now something i don't understand. You seemed to be a person heavily in favor of the isometric perspective.. what happened with that idea? is isometric gone and is this the new idea? For isometric it was relatively unique in both style and idea but this new perspective is nearly plain flat. I like the icons but they are not new and there are better looking ones out there. If you're going for this new idea then you can better just quit and use tango icon library and improve that where needed. The icons you've made already look a lot like tango. We aim with Echo to be the default icon set in Fedora. Because of the reasons you stated bellow it's better to make Echo as much consistent with gnome-icon-theme *and* oxygen as possible. Yet, we'd like to keep the Echo feel (that's why we cannot *just* modify tango). You can think of it as echo stylised tango. One the other hand, we'll continue with the isometric icons as well for those who'd like to have something more unique. In short, Echo Perspective aims to be good default, moderately consistent with upstream defaults, Echo whatever aims to be a unique set utilising different kind of projection (we use the dimetric projection, in our guidelines still called isometric perspective) than most icon themes use. I never fully understood why a new theme had to be made anyway. I did (with isometric perspective) offer something different then tango but now with the flat design it simply doesn't offer anything new or better or revolutionary or anything. So please just using/modifying tango instead of making a new icon theme that looks nearly the same. Also other applications (pidgen and openoffice (i could be wrong about this one) and a range of other applications already use tango as there default icons so the full desktop experience will probably be a lot better if that's all just using tango. I know you can modify about every app in the fedora repo to have the icons you've developed but that's, to me, just a waste of developer time. Don't get me wrong! i like your icons! i just thing that there is already a icon theme exactly like it called Tango. We'd like to be moderately consistent with Tango, but we want more lively colours and perhaps more realistic feel. It means the development can be way faster because we can reuse already developed tango or oxygen icons, only restyle them to have echo feel. But in some cases - e.g. folder or trash - we'd like to have more unique design. I also tried to do the same with the display - if you compare tango/mango/gnome/oxygen displays to my design, you'll notice many differences (personally, I don't the tango/mango design and the gnome design uses CRT monitor, which is sort of outdated). Good to see you changed your opinion here a bit with previous statements. You used to say that echo was unique and could not use modified oxygen or tango icons (or something along those lines). Anyways (your right about the monitor) you could mix the icons with http://jimmac.musichall.cz/i.php?i=Tango-NG as well. Good luck, Mark Thanks you for your comments and questions, Martin PS: If it goes on like this, I think we could have enough material to make a short FAQ page for Echo ;-) possible. i prefer questions answered by the creator (mainly you in this case) and not by some FAQ ^_^ ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Art ideas for Fedora 11 (grub, boot, splashes, window decorations, button styles etc...)
On Sun, 2009-01-11 at 18:14 +0100, Mark wrote: On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 5:29 PM, Máirín Duffy du...@fedoraproject.org wrote: Are you talking about just the colors of FC1-FC4 or the actual theme? And are you talking about the *artwork* or are you talking about the GTK/metacity etc? Just the colors. and that can be used to make a new theme for Fedora 11 I am just talking about artwork here I'm kinda talking about both.. Well, for GTK/Metacity related talks, please make a separate thread for it. If you make mockups, I'll consider them. I am currently working on a major rewrite of nodoka (so far only GTK), you can check the progress usually on my blog [1]. The latest screenshots are at [2], though in my laptop I am already a few steps farther... I've already reworked progress bars and will write new post when I finish the Scales. Martin Refereces: [1] http://mso-chronicles.blogspot.com/ [2] http://mso-chronicles.blogspot.com/2009/01/my-new-years-updates-to-nodoka.html signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Art ideas for Fedora 11 (grub, boot, splashes, window decorations, button styles etc...)
2009/1/11 Martin Sourada martin.sour...@gmail.com: On Sun, 2009-01-11 at 18:14 +0100, Mark wrote: On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 5:29 PM, Máirín Duffy du...@fedoraproject.org wrote: Are you talking about just the colors of FC1-FC4 or the actual theme? And are you talking about the *artwork* or are you talking about the GTK/metacity etc? Just the colors. and that can be used to make a new theme for Fedora 11 I am just talking about artwork here I'm kinda talking about both.. Well, for GTK/Metacity related talks, please make a separate thread for it. If you make mockups, I'll consider them. Well.. here it's just brainstorming for the mockups.. the actual mockups will go in a new thread though a few might land in here as well just to clear up what i mean (one picture tells more than thousand words). To get back on the subject.. what are the exact colours that where used on the old fedora themes (FC 1 till 4)? and what was the idea back then behind the themes? (it where more boot and login things then full desktop themes) I am currently working on a major rewrite of nodoka (so far only GTK), you can check the progress usually on my blog [1]. The latest screenshots are at [2], though in my laptop I am already a few steps farther... I've already reworked progress bars and will write new post when I finish the Scales. Hmm.. to be honest.. i don't like it much.. specially those diagonal stripes in the progress bars. And in general it seems to be inspired by KDE 4 ^_^ (specially those buttons)... I wonder why we don't just use the murrine engine? it's good and can do everything that nodoka can do plus more (the svn version). Just make a thread to show off your nodoka engine and i will post all my critics i have for it ^_^ Martin Refereces: [1] http://mso-chronicles.blogspot.com/ [2] http://mso-chronicles.blogspot.com/2009/01/my-new-years-updates-to-nodoka.html ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
