Re: Usb live creator refresh?
On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 9:01 AM, Nicu Buculei nicu_fed...@nicubunu.ro wrote: Is this ok with fedora gudelines? You are still NOT using the proper fedora logo: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Logo (you write fedora with MgOpen Modata Bold) Ah, we tried to be as close as possible to logo. That is why we and others ask for this (the request is on the wiki) to be made for us. It looks easy but there are lots of pitfalls for ones who try to do this for the first time. Now I see that there are no vector formats for download but it has to be asked for and that we need to wait two-three weeks for response. Well we have out presentation tomorrow and posters go today to print shop. We will put fedora logo in PNG or try to mimic logo with font that is the closest to it. Thank you Nicu and others for helping out. -- http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com/ linux, blog, anime, spirituality, windsurf, wireless registered as user #367004 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org. ICQ: 2125241, Skype: valent.turkovic ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
artwork pages name mismatch
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F9Themes http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F10Themes http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F11 Also can you please tell me how to navigate from main Fedora Artwork page to Fedora Themes (current theme, past themes and future themes)? I don't see any links that lead from main Fedora Artwork page to themes pages... is that on purpose? Why? Cheers. -- http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com/ linux, blog, anime, spirituality, windsurf, wireless registered as user #367004 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org. ICQ: 2125241, Skype: valent.turkovic ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: artwork pages name mismatch
On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 10:21 PM, Martin Sourada martin.sour...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, 2009-05-04 at 22:14 +0200, Valent Turkovic wrote: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F9Themes http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F10Themes http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F11 Also can you please tell me how to navigate from main Fedora Artwork page to Fedora Themes (current theme, past themes and future themes)? I don't see any links that lead from main Fedora Artwork page to themes pages... is that on purpose? Why? Not sure if it's on purpose or not, but it's probably not a good idea to keep links from our main page to everywhere... You can navigate to all Artwork pages from http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Category:Artwork If not, than that is definitely a not on purpose and should be fixed. I understand and agree that links should not be used carelessly and put all over the main page. But there are lots of links, and most are uninteresting for people not directly involved in artwork team. Non artwork people like me this is ok, but I still expected a link for the final artwork on main artwork page. 1. I want to show people or I want to see current and previous Fedora artwork. 2. I go to www.fedoraproject.org 3. click to go to wiki pages 4. click on artwork 5. look around 6. can't find any actual artwork I guess that other people will also expect to see some fedora artwork (or at least links to fedora artworks) and not only artwork team pages. The page name is Artwork so am I wrong to expect some artwork here? ;) -- http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com/ linux, blog, anime, spirituality, windsurf, wireless registered as user #367004 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org. ICQ: 2125241, Skype: valent.turkovic ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
How to install and manage fonts under Fedora?
Hi, I'm trying to install and manage some additional ttf and type1 fonts I found online on some free fonts websites. I see no way to use gnome tools or any fedora made tool to install fonts. Is this a bug or a feature? :) I tried fonts:/// but that feature seams missing from Gnome 2.24 in Fedora 10. How do you install and manage additional fonts? I know that there are fonts in fedora repositories but I'm not talking interested in using yum to install fonts. Cheers, Valent. -- http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com/ linux, blog, anime, spirituality, windsurf, wireless registered as user #367004 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org. ICQ: 2125241, Skype: valent.turkovic ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: How to install and manage fonts under Fedora?
2008/12/6 RazGriz [EMAIL PROTECTED]: for an unique user you can just create a new hidden folder called .fonts and put your stuff inside have fun =] Thank you! This is so simple when you know it :) Why isn't this documented anywhere? I searche of Fedora and Gnome wiki and documentation pages and found nothing, then I came here to the list. I'll write a wiki page on Fedora wiki if you also give me some more info about how you manage fonts. Cheers, Valent . -- http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com/ linux, blog, anime, spirituality, windsurf, wireless registered as user #367004 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org. ICQ: 2125241, Skype: valent.turkovic ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Fedora distributed on public places...
Hi, we would like to put Fedora in more and more hands. We have the will to do it in our home town (Osijek, Croatia) and have some spare cache to put into blank CD/DVD's and burn them. One thing we lack is some representative box to put Fedora discs into. We would like to put these Fedora boxes on public places like student cafeteria, pubs, pc hardware shops, etc... It would be nice that there would be some text on the box It's Free - take one. I saw request for AmbassadorKit Box on this page: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/DesignService There are examples of Ubuntu. We would LOVE to have something similar - or even better than Ubuntu ;) Cheers, Valent. -- http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com/ linux, blog, anime, spirituality, windsurf, wireless registered as user #367004 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org. ICQ: 2125241, Skype: valent.turkovic ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Love the Fedora 10 artwork!
Hi gals/guys, I'm just dropping you this short message because I'm loving everything about new Fedora 10 - and especially the artwork that this team has made! Thank you very, very much for your hard work. Cheers from Croatia, Valent. -- http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com/ linux, blog, anime, spirituality, windsurf, wireless registered as user #367004 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org. ICQ: 2125241, Skype: valent.turkovic ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: I want them...
2008/5/28 Martin Sourada [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Wed, 2008-05-28 at 11:52 +0200, Valent Turkovic wrote: I looked at new Fedora wiki page - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Main_Page and first thing that i notices were gorgeous echo icons! Please, please, pretty please replace gnome menu icons with beautiful echo icons. Cheers, Valent. yum install echo-icon-theme But really, what gets in is not decided on what people want there (though influenced by it), but on what people are willing to work on - and in case of echo icons there are currently only two of us actively working on it (plus Nicu put together a nice tutorial [1], and it would be great if he helped in the future as well). So if you want that that badly, feel free to promote the Echo icon creation to new contributors. You don't need art skills to do that ;-) Thanks, Martin References: [1] http://nicubunu.blogspot.com/2008/05/echo-icons-tips-guides-and-grids.html ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list Great advice! I will do that. Thank you. Cheers, Valent. -- http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com/ linux, blog, anime, spirituality, windsurf, wireless registered as user #367004 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org. ICQ: 2125241, Skype: valent.turkovic ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
I want them...
I looked at new Fedora wiki page - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Main_Page and first thing that i notices were gorgeous echo icons! Please, please, pretty please replace gnome menu icons with beautiful echo icons. Cheers, Valent. -- http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com/ linux, blog, anime, spirituality, windsurf, wireless registered as user #367004 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org. ICQ: 2125241, Skype: valent.turkovic ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Stickers
Hi, I added some attachments as svg files for fedora stickers here: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/Stickers I don't know how to provide image thumbnail preview and also svg file as attachement :( So I hope somebody can do that or show me on one example so that I can to that. Cheers, Valent. -- http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com/ linux, blog, anime, spirituality, windsurf, wireless registered as user #367004 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org. ICQ: 2125241, Skype: valent.turkovic ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Stickers
2008/5/18 Gerold Kassube [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Someday you`ll find also http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/MarketingCollateral :-) I'll put stickers up there. Can somebody put Voice, Freedom, Infinity there because I can't find it. Cheers, Valent. -- http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com/ linux, blog, anime, spirituality, windsurf, wireless registered as user #367004 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org. ICQ: 2125241, Skype: valent.turkovic ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Stickers
On Sun, May 18, 2008 at 8:58 PM, Valent Turkovic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2008/5/18 Gerold Kassube [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Someday you`ll find also http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/MarketingCollateral :-) I'll put stickers up there. Can somebody put Voice, Freedom, Infinity there because I can't find it. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/MarketingCollateral I added Mairin's Fedora Speech Bubbles Stickers... I'll add others but now I have to go to sleep... Good night, Valent- -- http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com/ linux, blog, anime, spirituality, windsurf, wireless registered as user #367004 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org. ICQ: 2125241, Skype: valent.turkovic ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Confusing CD sleeves...
Hi, I'm preparing to manually print CD labels on CD's of Fedora 9 and I would also like to make them look more professional so I'll also print CD sleeves. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/MediaArt/F9 There are a few things that aren't aren't clear to me. 1. This CD Cover - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/MediaArt/F9?action=AttachFiledo=gettarget=cdlabel_sulf_thumb.png It has a bigger center hole than others and printers that I print on can print there. Other CD Covers have blue with just the small hole and that would be better if all CD Covers would be like that with same smaller center white circle. 2. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/MediaArt/F9?action=AttachFiledo=gettarget=F9_CDSleeve_thumb.png CD and DVD sleeves have text saying x86_64 Live CD People ask me a lot What does that mean, and is this 64bit only ... etc... etc... Could you please consider making this text something like (runs on 32 and 64 bit architectures of processors or something like that that is more human friendly and not confusing? Thank you for making all these great graphics they are great and make Fedora look as great as it runs! ;) Cheers, Valent. -- http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com/ linux, blog, anime, spirituality, windsurf, wireless registered as user #367004 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org. ICQ: 2125241, Skype: valent.turkovic ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Confusing CD sleeves...
2. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/MediaArt/F9?action=AttachFiledo=gettarget=F9_CDSleeve_thumb.png CD and DVD sleeves have text saying x86_64 Live CD People ask me a lot What does that mean, and is this 64bit only ... etc... etc... Could you please consider making this text something like (runs on 32 and 64 bit architectures of processors or something like that that is more human friendly and not confusing? Could you consider opening the SVG with Inkscape and using whatever text you want? The intention for those labels is to be used as templates, so you can put live CD, live DVD, install DVD, install CD #n, i686, x86_64, ppc, whatever spin and so on. Otherwise we would have to put on the wiki CD labels for *every* possible combination. I did that already but still I consider the current text to be a bad default text. Cheers, Valent. -- http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com/ linux, blog, anime, spirituality, windsurf, wireless registered as user #367004 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org. ICQ: 2125241, Skype: valent.turkovic ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Confusing CD sleeves...
On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 12:59 PM, Valent Turkovic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I'm preparing to manually print CD labels on CD's of Fedora 9 and I would also like to make them look more professional so I'll also print CD sleeves. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/MediaArt/F9 There are a few things that aren't aren't clear to me. 1. This CD Cover - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/MediaArt/F9?action=AttachFiledo=gettarget=cdlabel_sulf_thumb.png It has a bigger center hole than others and printers that I print on can print there. Other CD Covers have blue with just the small hole and that would be better if all CD Covers would be like that with same smaller center white circle. This CD Labels look best of all I saw - regarding printing on CDs. If you want you can remove the inner circle but if you need it is there: http://people.redhat.com/dfong/fc7graphics/thumbnails/11cdDVDLabelSM.png Can you please consider making Fedora 9 also with this in mind? Thank you, Valent. -- http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com/ linux, blog, anime, spirituality, windsurf, wireless registered as user #367004 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org. ICQ: 2125241, Skype: valent.turkovic ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
banners are out of date
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/Banners This seams out of date. Cheers, Valent. -- http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com/ linux, blog, anime, spirituality, windsurf, wireless registered as user #367004 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org. ICQ: 2125241, Skype: valent.turkovic ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
poster for Fedora Live USB Creation Station?
Hi, does anybody have the graphics files that are visible in this blog: http://people.byte-code.com/fcrippa/2008/04/20/liberamente/ exactly this image: http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3196/2427656500_37f696733b.jpg Does anybody have this image edited for Fedora 9 or does anybody have for Fedora 8 so I edit them for Fedora 9? Cheers, Valent. -- http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com/ linux, blog, anime, spirituality, windsurf, wireless registered as user #367004 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org. ICQ: 2125241, Skype: valent.turkovic ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: revised f9 wallpaper - workitems
Máirín Duffy wrote: (do these seem right?) Will there be a resolution of 800x480 for Asus eee? Cheers, Valent. ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Blue fire
Mola Pahnadayan wrote: Hi, *Blue fire* I add New theme for Fedora 10 http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F10Themes/bluefire#preview ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list This could be a interesting theme when polished... nice... Valent. ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: revised f9 wallpaper - workitems
Valent Turkovic wrote: Máirín Duffy wrote: (do these seem right?) Will there be a resolution of 800x480 for Asus eee? Cheers, Valent. Never mind I saw that it will. Valent. ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: new icons?
2008/3/13 Michael Beckwith [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Valent Turkovic wrote: On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 2:19 PM, Máirín Duffy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Valent Turkovic wrote: On Wed, Mar 12, 2008 at 4:32 PM, Nicu Buculei [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Valent Turkovic wrote: http://www.uploadgeek.com/uploads456/0/old_icons.png Hi, I'm looking at gnome menu icons in current rawhide and they look really out of place. If I remember correctly is was agreed upon that there will be an update of this icons with some other. Please correct me if I'm wrong. The icons in your screenshot look exactly the same as the icons in F8. I know that, but they look old compared to the rest of the artwork. Are you looking to update them? What? ~m If you open gnome menu to me icons look like from some old linux desktop, they don't look as polished as other visual elements of fedora desktop. I don't understand what you don't understand here. I'm not an artists but I can give you my honest opnion that they look misplaced and old compared to any other icon. If you look at firefox or evolution icons they look much better on fedora desktop that icons for Accesories, Education, Games. Games icon looks really retro, and it that was the intent of the artwork then I wouldn't say anything, but I guess it is not. How long are these icons being used? When was the last update of them? Which year? Which fedora release? English is not my primary language so there statements may look a bit to direct and harsh but this is not my intention and all I would like to start is some constructive discussion. Cheers, Valent. Which is all why we have people working on a new set (Echo) but they're busy with their own lives half the time and development is slow and at times heavily criticized(they're not tango). That is all the info I needed, thank you Michael. So is there a chance that echo icons get done in time for F9? Ah, if they cricitize tell them to put up or shutup :) (ironic comment) :) Valent. -- http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com/ linux, blog, anime, spirituality, windsurf, wireless registered as user #367004 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org. ICQ: 2125241, Skype: valent.turkovic ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: new icons?
On Wed, Mar 12, 2008 at 4:32 PM, Nicu Buculei [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Valent Turkovic wrote: http://www.uploadgeek.com/uploads456/0/old_icons.png Hi, I'm looking at gnome menu icons in current rawhide and they look really out of place. If I remember correctly is was agreed upon that there will be an update of this icons with some other. Please correct me if I'm wrong. The icons in your screenshot look exactly the same as the icons in F8. I know that, but they look old compared to the rest of the artwork. Are you looking to update them? Valent. -- http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com/ linux, blog, anime, spirituality, windsurf, wireless registered as user #367004 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org. ICQ: 2125241, Skype: valent.turkovic ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: new icons?
On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 2:19 PM, Máirín Duffy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Valent Turkovic wrote: On Wed, Mar 12, 2008 at 4:32 PM, Nicu Buculei [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Valent Turkovic wrote: http://www.uploadgeek.com/uploads456/0/old_icons.png Hi, I'm looking at gnome menu icons in current rawhide and they look really out of place. If I remember correctly is was agreed upon that there will be an update of this icons with some other. Please correct me if I'm wrong. The icons in your screenshot look exactly the same as the icons in F8. I know that, but they look old compared to the rest of the artwork. Are you looking to update them? What? ~m If you open gnome menu to me icons look like from some old linux desktop, they don't look as polished as other visual elements of fedora desktop. I don't understand what you don't understand here. I'm not an artists but I can give you my honest opnion that they look misplaced and old compared to any other icon. If you look at firefox or evolution icons they look much better on fedora desktop that icons for Accesories, Education, Games. Games icon looks really retro, and it that was the intent of the artwork then I wouldn't say anything, but I guess it is not. How long are these icons being used? When was the last update of them? Which year? Which fedora release? English is not my primary language so there statements may look a bit to direct and harsh but this is not my intention and all I would like to start is some constructive discussion. Cheers, Valent. -- http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com/ linux, blog, anime, spirituality, windsurf, wireless registered as user #367004 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org. ICQ: 2125241, Skype: valent.turkovic ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
new icons?
http://www.uploadgeek.com/uploads456/0/old_icons.png Hi, I'm looking at gnome menu icons in current rawhide and they look really out of place. If I remember correctly is was agreed upon that there will be an update of this icons with some other. Please correct me if I'm wrong. Keep doing great work you do! Valent. -- http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com/ linux, blog, anime, spirituality, windsurf, wireless registered as user #367004 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org. ICQ: 2125241, Skype: valent.turkovic ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
howto print posters?
Hi, I would like to print these posters: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/MarketingCollateral But I the print shop doesn't support svg file format. I tried printing to PDF from Inkscape but get terrible results :( I would like to sent them the print file in vector format if possible, is there any other option beside exporting posters as bitmaps? Cheers, Valent. -- http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com/ linux, blog, anime, spirituality, windsurf, wireless registered as user #367004 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org. ICQ: 2125241, Skype: valent.turkovic ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Waves Grub Artwork
Máirín Duffy wrote: Hey folks, I came up with the attached after a couple days' work. Let me know what you think! I attached the artwork as well as the xpm.gz. Copy it over to /boot/grub and rename it splash.xpm.gz (back up yer old one if you want) and reboot to check it out in action. One thing to note, I did this by indexing the inkscape-exported full-color artwork in the gimp, and indexing down to 14 colors. That was it. I remember in the past having to add black and white to colormap slots 0 and 1 respectively, but grub seemed to not like that this time. If you just use the 14 color pixmap, grub seems to deal with it just fine. ~m I like the design - but colors are a bit dark. Is fedora in some murky waters? :) Valent. ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Parsix: Persian distro makes GNOME look good
On Tue, Mar 4, 2008 at 4:28 PM, Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Valent Turkovic wrote: On Mon, Mar 3, 2008 at 5:38 PM, Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Valent Turkovic wrote: If you look at this link you can see the full article. http://www.linux.com/feature/127394 and the screenshot is here: http://www.linux.com/var/uploads/Image/articles/127394-1.jpg I'm just wondering if there is a chance to make gnome panels also adhere to fedora color scheme? Is it default Parsix theme? I believe it is. I'm amazed how Parsix made the gnome theme and gnome panels fit together with their wallpaper. Me too :) . Any chance of fedora going this route? What about usability? What do you mean? I don't follow you. I mean accessibility. GTK theme is dark. Less contrast = less accessibility. I didn't mean to copy their theme, I meant more to make a fedora one that had good contrast and good accessibility and that also changes default beige gnome panels to something more nicer. Valent. -- http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com/ linux, blog, anime, spirituality, windsurf, wireless registered as user #367004 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org. ICQ: 2125241, Skype: valent.turkovic ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Parsix: Persian distro makes GNOME look good
On Mon, Mar 3, 2008 at 5:38 PM, Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Valent Turkovic wrote: If you look at this link you can see the full article. http://www.linux.com/feature/127394 and the screenshot is here: http://www.linux.com/var/uploads/Image/articles/127394-1.jpg I'm just wondering if there is a chance to make gnome panels also adhere to fedora color scheme? Is it default Parsix theme? I believe it is. I'm amazed how Parsix made the gnome theme and gnome panels fit together with their wallpaper. Me too :) . Any chance of fedora going this route? What about usability? What do you mean? I don't follow you. Valent. -- http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com/ linux, blog, anime, spirituality, windsurf, wireless registered as user #367004 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org. ICQ: 2125241, Skype: valent.turkovic ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Parsix: Persian distro makes GNOME look good
Are there any Persians in Fedora-Artwork team :) ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Parsix: Persian distro makes GNOME look good
If you look at this link you can see the full article. http://www.linux.com/feature/127394 and the screenshot is here: http://www.linux.com/var/uploads/Image/articles/127394-1.jpg I'm just wondering if there is a chance to make gnome panels also adhere to fedora color scheme? I'm amazed how Parsix made the gnome theme and gnome panels fit together with their wallpaper. Any chance of fedora going this route? Cheers, Valent. -- http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com/ linux, blog, anime, spirituality, windsurf, wireless registered as user #367004 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org. ICQ: 2125241, Skype: valent.turkovic ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
eeedora artwork
Hi, I got hold of a fabulous device called Asus eeePC. By default it runs Xandros but there is a fedora based distro called eeedora. I'm about to install it and play with it. Can you please look at it and while making wallpapers for Fedora 9 also make versions for eeedora. It has resolution of 800x480. Ps. Mairin I see that you travel a lot, while it wont be too usefull for doing artwork because of it's small screen it is a great device for email and other forms of communication. I love my eee! Cheers, Valent. ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Transparency :)
On Jan 31, 2008 8:28 PM, Jeff Spaleta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 28, 2008 12:26 PM, Valent Turkovic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wasn't trying to be rude or disrespectfully to gnome or gnome developers. I was just wondering about gnome. Here's the problem with wondering aloud about gnome development on a list this is not about gnome development. You only encourage the wrong sort of answers... uninformed answers. You need to take responsibility for the questions you ask and where you ask them. In the future, questions regarding suitability of patches need to be asked in the context of the upstream project. Not in a mailing list for artists. And please refrain from feeding the trolls. It's very easy to get stuck in a conversation with someone who has no real constructive information which aids your purpose, if you are talking about something in the wrong list. Its one thing to point something out because it looks cool and you want other people to know about. Its quite another to have a back and forth discussion about technical suitability that are out of scope. Any information obtained in such a draw out discussion is suspect, wasting your time and enthusiasm. -jef Thank you Jeff for clearing that out, I'll watch out next time. Valent. -- http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com/ linux, blog, anime, spirituality, windsurf, wireless registered as user #367004 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org. ICQ: 2125241, Skype: valent.turkovic ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Really cool promo flyers
I found some really cool promo flayers online and would like to share them with you; http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m286/LegoAddict/Freedomofchoice.jpg http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m286/LegoAddict/Linuxgivesyouthehouse.jpg http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m286/LegoAddict/Computewithnature.jpg Does fedora have something similar ? Valent. -- http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com/ linux, blog, anime, spirituality, windsurf, wireless registered as user #367004 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org. ICQ: 2125241, Skype: valent.turkovic ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: wall papers
2008/1/29 Anuja KR [EMAIL PROTECTED]: hi, 'am a freelance graphic designer. I designed a few wall papers in gimp-fractal. check them at this link- http://s244.photobucket.com/albums/gg33/anuja-k/?action=viewcurrent=wave.png This one in blue would be great: http://s244.photobucket.com/albums/gg33/anuja-k/?action=viewcurrent=redgradient.png -- http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com/ linux, blog, anime, spirituality, windsurf, wireless registered as user #367004 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org. ICQ: 2125241, Skype: valent.turkovic ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Help with the metaphor... [Fwd: And the F9 codename winner is...]
On Jan 29, 2008 10:52 PM, Jeff Spaleta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 28, 2008 1:18 AM, Rahul Sundaram [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/Names So.. sulfer is the cure for what the ailments that werewolves suffer? ie F10 fixes problems in F9 F10? you meant F9 cures F8 if I understood correctly the metaphor. -- http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com/ linux, blog, anime, spirituality, windsurf, wireless registered as user #367004 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org. ICQ: 2125241, Skype: valent.turkovic ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Transparency :)
Máirín Duffy wrote: Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote: So you are saying that there is no special reason why is upstream gnome would reject it? Can you send this patch to upstream gnome? It could be just forgotten, like other bugs and patches in their bugzilla... Ie. icon view in file picker, single click i file picker, tooltips over files and folders in Nautilus... BTW, GNOME developers are just doing NOTHING useful to end used. How useful is GNOME-VFS → GVFS/GIO change to end user? It would see no difference... This is not the correct forum in which to discuss this. Although, I don't think ANYwhere is an appropriate place for this kind of trolling. You don't think GNOME developers are doing anything useful to end users? Do you even know any GNOME developers and what they are working on? Please take this elsewhere, it does not belong here. ~m I wasn't trying to be rude or disrespectfully to gnome or gnome developers. I was just wondering about gnome. Not having english as primary language also doesn't help. Sorry if you misunderstood me. ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Help with the metaphor... [Fwd: And the F9 codename winner is...]
Rahul Sundaram wrote: Nicu Buculei wrote: Can someone help me understand the metaphor behind the Sulphur name? The only thing I can think of is sulphur is somewhat related to dragons and dragons are, like werewolves, mythical creatures. How far am I? Not very far http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/Names Rahul ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list I like it :) ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Firefox 3 close tab - too big?
Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote: Dnia 27-01-2008, nie o godzinie 02:46 +0100, Valent Turkovic pisze: 2008/1/27 Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Dnia 27-01-2008, nie o godzinie 00:16 +0100, Valent Turkovic pisze: Hi, I tested new Firefox 3 in Rawhide and it looks and works great! One thing I noticed are the X for closing Firefox tabs - they look a bit off because they are much thicker and bigger that X for closing the firefox. Usually parent obects have everything bigger than child objects. This looks strange because tabs which all are children to main firefox window have bigger X. It is not a big thing, just something to check out. Cheers, Valent. Screenshot, please. If you're using newer GNOME icon theme, remember - there's bigger gtk-close icon used. -- Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ here is the link http://www.zshare.net/image/6905622d744055/ ps. I tried uploading it to fedoratv site but I get some strange error :( Exactly as I thinked. Bigger icon in the icon theme. I think the button looks now better and it's a usability feature (PS: all close buttons should be 22x22 imo). I agree close buttons should be bigger but isn't that too big of a contrast to gtk close button? ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Transparency :)
I found this gtk theme engine [1] with transparency and would love to see it in fedora if possible. What do you thing about it? The screenshots look amazingly beautiful. [1] http://www.cimitan.com/blog/2007/12/12/gtk-rgba-transparent-widgets-with-the-murrine-engine ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Firefox 3 close tab - too big?
Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote: I agree close buttons should be bigger but isn't that too big of a contrast to gtk close button? 22x22 That means nothing to me :( ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: fedora 9 codenames
Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote: Hi, I'm really not satisfied. Names suggested as F9 codenames are worst than... PoKeMons. Relax, it will grow on you. I personally didn't like it the first time but when I read the story behind the name I liked it :) I'm starting to like feodra way of doing things :) Valent. ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Hi Fedora Art list!
Martin Sourada wrote: On Tue, 2008-01-22 at 08:58 -0900, Jeff Spaleta wrote: On Jan 22, 2008 7:52 AM, Colby Hoke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks to a suggestion from Nicu Buculei, I've joined this list mostly out of interest in an Art Studio spin of Fedora. I've been working with gdk and jspaleta on getting a Fedora repo-ready version of Kino out there for people to make their own videos in the Fedora world. Now that fedoratv is public knowledge let's take a moment and re-cap where things stand on what we've been poking at. Fedoratv needs work, but its basically where we want to drive Fedora related content as a place to dogfood open codecs associated tools by generating our own project relevant content. Open media isn't going to get better until we have a real reason to use it. Fedoratv will be the open service where the Fedora's media needs will be met. But Fedoratv is just the service, we also need to make client side video editting an out-of-box reality. It doesn't have to be perfect, it just has to be good enough so that people can edit content for consumption on fedoratv. Let me explain what we need to be able to ship out-of-the-box in Fedora on the clientside. 1)reliable dv camera capture for some subset of camera hardware 2)kino as the default dv video editor which can export into ogg theora video for upload to fedoratv Okay so where are the problems: First... firewire and dv cameras. There have been some technical problems with the new kernel firewire stack which have seen improvement in update f8 kernels. Speaking of which, Colby, does firewire dv capture work for you in the latest f8 kernels? A basic stripped down kino which can take raw dv and export to theora is absolutely doable. You don't get access to control over interlacing (via gst-ffmpeg plugin) and other things which semi-profession video people will want. But for basic community web content, it will export theora with a vorbis audio stream. On top of that if ffmpeg is on the system kino is smart enough to see it and enable more export options. The only problem is, we've no out-of-the-box way to convert use theora video clips as source material in kino. Kino internally uses dv, and through the magic of ffmpeg it can import other formats and convert them internally to dv. The problem is we don't have a Fedora shippable way to convert theora to dv, as far as I can tell. And that's a problem. It would be extremely useful if people could take theora screencasts as source material into kino to mix with dv footage, and re-export as theora again. Yes, yes.. video purist out there are cringing at the thought of mixing dv and compressed video, but the goal here is good enough for fedoratv.. not good enough for professional sport drink commercials. The state of video is such that we can't wait for a profession quality open editor tool to fall out of the sky. We have to start here, and then find people willing to take up the challenge to create the next generation of open editting tools so we can produce even better content. So how do we get theora vids converted to dv for kino to use as source material? I do not know. Stripping down a version of ffmpeg as something shippable in fedora is a near impossible task, and would require legal review regardless. I haven't found an existing gstreamer plugin that lets me do it that could in the future be promoted to 'good' and shipped in fedora. So if someone knows a way to convert theora to dv out-of-the-box in fedora right now, I want to know how to do it. Kino lets you add custom import scripts, so once we have a commandline way to do the conversion, kino gains it as an import method. -jef Seems cool, one question though. Are you considering using the matroska container for the videos available for download as well? I believe it is superior to ogm/flv in many areas. Thanks, Martin I have little experience with matroska container can you please point out the most obvious advantages it has over ogg container. Thanks. ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Hi Fedora Art list!
Jeff Spaleta wrote: On Jan 22, 2008 9:18 AM, Jeff Spaleta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 22, 2008 9:13 AM, Máirín Duffy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are there any plans to communicate what Fedora TV actually is to people who didn't go to fudcon in a scalable way? That's what I'm trying to do in this thread! fedoratv is a codebase is pretty rough around the edges. I believe greg is putting the hosts.fedoraproject.org instance in place so that the right people can start tracking issues. The beta on the branding is no lie. I just uploaded a fudcon photo. http://fedoratv.com/vlog/spoleeba?photo=1 The browsing is really...rough. My photo is uploaded but its not showing up in the browsable materialbut it did in fact upload :- -jef I tried uploading one png and it failed for me. I'll give you a screenshot in hope it helps you in some way. I'm not complaining as I'm not expecting it to work, I know it is still in development. http://www.uploadgeek.com/uploads456/0/fedoratv.png Valent. ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Hi Fedora Art list!
Jeff Spaleta wrote: On Jan 22, 2008 7:52 AM, Colby Hoke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks to a suggestion from Nicu Buculei, I've joined this list mostly out of interest in an Art Studio spin of Fedora. I've been working with gdk and jspaleta on getting a Fedora repo-ready version of Kino out there for people to make their own videos in the Fedora world. Now that fedoratv is public knowledge let's take a moment and re-cap where things stand on what we've been poking at. First to say I love FedoraTV! It is a fabulous idea! Questions: 1. Why not fedoratv.org ? 2. When will fedoratv work with swfdec? Now flash videos work only with proprietary flash plugin. Valent ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Hi Fedora Art list!
Jeff Spaleta wrote: On Jan 22, 2008 9:41 AM, Colby Hoke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: FedoraTV is working for images - I'm trying to keep that as I think it's pretty important. I've uploaded a couple so far as tests. It's also supporting audio - I think that's just as important, Audio only content will be HUGE. Once we start making competent screencasted activity tutorials... being able to submit alternative audio tracks for videos makes it a hell of a lot easier to re-compose localized versions of the vids without having to re-shoot the vids. -jef If there will be a possibility for videos to have multiple language tracks that will be awesome and something really revolutionary! I haven't heard or seen anybody doing that online but maybe somebody has, you never know. Valent. ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: [Echo]Update on accessories-dictionary icon
Martin Sourada wrote: On Fri, 2008-01-25 at 22:15 -0500, Luya Tshimbalanga wrote: I had a busy week with a lot of assignment for Graphic Design class. As a result, it took me long to update the icons. Here is the set of icons using a magnifying class to symbolize the dictionary. Feel to suggest otherwise. Somehow I still don't recognise this as dictionary icon, this one looks to me like content search or something. Maybe putting a flag on the book To me also this looks like search of some sort... ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Firefox 3 close tab - too big?
Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote: I agree close buttons should be bigger but isn't that too big of a contrast to gtk close button? 22x22 look at a icon I have in Firefox now under Fedora 8: http://www.zshare.net/image/69245898a962e7/ Firefox 3 close tab button looks way out of place and too big for me compared to close window button. ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Imagine
Rahul Sundaram wrote: Hi Imagine a theme around this http://tieguy.org/blog/2007/12/19/happyhappyjoyjoy/ Rahul +1 for fedora happyhappy theme :) ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Transparency :)
2008/1/27 Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Dnia 27-01-2008, nie o godzinie 15:53 +0100, Valent Turkovic pisze: I found this gtk theme engine [1] with transparency and would love to see it in fedora if possible. What do you thing about it? The screenshots look amazingly beautiful. [1] http://www.cimitan.com/blog/2007/12/12/gtk-rgba-transparent-widgets-with-the-murrine-engine It requires GTK2 from SVN with special patch applied. How special is the special patch ? Will it be incorporated upstream if it doesn't have any horrible bugs and doesn't break anything? -- http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com/ linux, blog, anime, spirituality, windsurf, wireless registered as user #367004 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org. ICQ: 2125241, Skype: valent.turkovic ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Transparency :)
2008/1/27 Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Dnia 27-01-2008, nie o godzinie 21:58 +0100, Valent Turkovic pisze: 2008/1/27 Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Dnia 27-01-2008, nie o godzinie 15:53 +0100, Valent Turkovic pisze: I found this gtk theme engine [1] with transparency and would love to see it in fedora if possible. What do you thing about it? The screenshots look amazingly beautiful. [1] http://www.cimitan.com/blog/2007/12/12/gtk-rgba-transparent-widgets-with-the-murrine-engine It requires GTK2 from SVN with special patch applied. How special is the special patch ? Will it be incorporated upstream if it doesn't have any horrible bugs and doesn't break anything? Not sure but probably it would be the same situation as with macmenu patch : . Forgotten : . So you are saying that there is no special reason why is upstream gnome would reject it? Can you send this patch to upstream gnome? Valent. -- http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com/ linux, blog, anime, spirituality, windsurf, wireless registered as user #367004 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org. ICQ: 2125241, Skype: valent.turkovic ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Transparency :)
2008/1/28 David Nielsen [EMAIL PROTECTED]: søn, 27 01 2008 kl. 22:07 +0100, skrev Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek: Dnia 27-01-2008, nie o godzinie 21:58 +0100, Valent Turkovic pisze: 2008/1/27 Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Dnia 27-01-2008, nie o godzinie 15:53 +0100, Valent Turkovic pisze: I found this gtk theme engine [1] with transparency and would love to see it in fedora if possible. What do you thing about it? The screenshots look amazingly beautiful. [1] http://www.cimitan.com/blog/2007/12/12/gtk-rgba-transparent-widgets-with-the-murrine-engine It requires GTK2 from SVN with special patch applied. How special is the special patch ? Will it be incorporated upstream if it doesn't have any horrible bugs and doesn't break anything? Not sure but probably it would be the same situation as with macmenu patch : . Forgotten : . The detached menu patch has not been forgotten, the code was unacceptable for upstream. However now someone has taken the concept and started writing a nicer solution for this which is being evaluated for inclusion. So when detached menu patch hits upstream then this gtk transparent engine will work on all gnome desktops? Awesome! Valent. -- http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com/ linux, blog, anime, spirituality, windsurf, wireless registered as user #367004 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org. ICQ: 2125241, Skype: valent.turkovic ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Transparency :)
2008/1/28 Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek [EMAIL PROTECTED]: So you are saying that there is no special reason why is upstream gnome would reject it? Can you send this patch to upstream gnome? It could be just forgotten, like other bugs and patches in their bugzilla... Ie. icon view in file picker, single click i file picker, tooltips over files and folders in Nautilus... BTW, GNOME developers are just doing NOTHING useful to end used. How useful is GNOME-VFS → GVFS/GIO change to end user? It would see no difference... Is Gnome in such a bad state that they can't include a patch? What is going on with gnome? I see KDE team doing some amazing stuff with KDE4 and I wonder how they can do it and gnome can't do such simple things... Valent -- http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com/ linux, blog, anime, spirituality, windsurf, wireless registered as user #367004 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org. ICQ: 2125241, Skype: valent.turkovic ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Firefox 3 close tab - too big?
Hi, I tested new Firefox 3 in Rawhide and it looks and works great! One thing I noticed are the X for closing Firefox tabs - they look a bit off because they are much thicker and bigger that X for closing the firefox. Usually parent obects have everything bigger than child objects. This looks strange because tabs which all are children to main firefox window have bigger X. It is not a big thing, just something to check out. Cheers, Valent. ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Firefox 3 close tab - too big?
2008/1/27 Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Dnia 27-01-2008, nie o godzinie 00:16 +0100, Valent Turkovic pisze: Hi, I tested new Firefox 3 in Rawhide and it looks and works great! One thing I noticed are the X for closing Firefox tabs - they look a bit off because they are much thicker and bigger that X for closing the firefox. Usually parent obects have everything bigger than child objects. This looks strange because tabs which all are children to main firefox window have bigger X. It is not a big thing, just something to check out. Cheers, Valent. Screenshot, please. If you're using newer GNOME icon theme, remember - there's bigger gtk-close icon used. -- Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ here is the link http://www.zshare.net/image/6905622d744055/ ps. I tried uploading it to fedoratv site but I get some strange error :( -- http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com/ linux, blog, anime, spirituality, windsurf, wireless registered as user #367004 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org. ICQ: 2125241, Skype: valent.turkovic ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: A Thought About F9 Artwork
Martin Sourada wrote: On Wed, 2008-01-09 at 17:49 +0100, Valent Turkovic wrote: Steven Garrity wrote: Please look these two screenshots: http://bayimg.com/MAIAIaaBLhttp://bayimg.com/MAiagaABL One is FC6 and other is F8. Can you make the difference. The differences are subtle, too subtle and too bland IMHO. I would love to see Fedora 9 get the gtk theme it deserves. So slowing down design really sound bad to me. Valent. I saw these two quite long quite a long ago and you were told, that the difference is obvious, though subtle. As for the Fedora 9 gtk theme. So far this [1] seems what will be in Fedora 9, although there is still room for improvement. But why don't you come up with something awesome yourself? We are all doing our best while you seem to just rant about how things would be better. Because I have no actual creative talent but as I said in my email I have an critic eye and I have been volonteering as a critic for my friends and family for over 10 years - they are photographers, designers, 3d modelers and artists and I'm really respected for my constructive criticism. I can't create a new gtk theme but I can say to you if one sucks or or if it rocks. You can look for yourself for some ideas: http://browse.deviantart.com/customization/skins/linuxutil/gnome/gtk2/?order=9alltime=yes http://www.gnome-look.org/index.php?xsortmode=downpage=0xcontentmode=100 There are lots of great themes. I don't work for fedora ArtTeam but I'm a long time fedora desktop user and I would love to see some improvements in how fedora looks. I know that lot of people work hard and I really appreciate it, and I have seen what great designs they have done ( ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: A Thought About F9 Artwork
Máirín Duffy wrote: Hi Valent, Valent Turkovic wrote: Máirín Duffy wrote: Whenever we try anything that is !blue, we get a whole lot of negative feedback. People like to look at the colors far more symbolically than they should I think. ~m I don't like opensuse in particular but they have made a break from blue in latest release - now its green, and it looks great! I would love to see Fedora !blue for at least one release - it would be refreshing. Everyone has their own personal tastes and opinions on the artwork. Unfortunately, only a very small percentage of those folks actually contribute to the artwork. If you would like to truly influence the artwork though, you will need to take a more active, participatory role on the art team. It have the ability to bring some really talented people to fedora and they will contribute, but they use proprietary tools (photoshop and the like). Is that forbidden to use non OSS apps in making fedora themes? I heard that before in some post but I wasn't sure so please clarify. This list is, for the most part, for the art team members to coordinate and discuss contributions to the artwork. While we do like hearing feedback from a variety of users, please understand that can cannot please everyone nor should it be expected that we cater to any particular piece of feedback we receive. In the past we have been asked to try colors other than blue and were met with a lot of negative feedback. I do not know if it is worth another try. I saw some older posts... I can't believe what people said about purple color. I was also amazed to hear that as did you from what I saw. If you have a particular concept or design that you would like to mock up and share with us that does not use the color blue, I am sure we would all be interested in seeing it, but please do not expect that someone will do it for you just because you mentioned it here. ~m Sure. Thank you. Valent. ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
for all of you blue loving geekets and geeks :)
http://www.colourlovers.com/blog/2008/01/09/happy-blue-year-2008-color-trends/ are you happy now? :) ps. I would love that art team tries and does one release that is not blue, just for a change. ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Round 1
Nicu Buculei wrote: The deadline for Round 1 was a couple of days ago, so here are all the submissions we gathered so far (a valid submission must have an announcement on the list and a wiki page): - Night, by Mola http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F9Themes/Night this is #1 Electric Sphere, by Mola http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F9Themes/electric-sphere and this is #2 for me. Electris sphere would be much better if done in 3D and not in vectors IMHO. Valent. ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: A pretty please (regrading Fedora 9 theme)
On 1/3/08, Andreas Nilsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Valent Turkovic wrote: On 1/1/08, Máirín Duffy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Valent Turkovic wrote: Here are one audio review which also says artwork for Fedora 8 is lacking: http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com/index.php/archives/fedora-8-audio-review/ and one random forum comment: Artwork quite poor compared to version 7. http://linuxmint.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=43139#p43139 I could point at a lot more reviews and magazine articles that saw it as an improvement. It's artwork, it's subjective, you can't please everyone and if you do you're probably doing something wrong. For every negative comment I've seen or heard about the F8 theme, I've seen 9 or 10 positive ones. Did you listen to Linux Action Show podcast review in the link that is provided? They also mention icons and few other issues, but best listen to it if you can. Hi Valent! It seems like they were kind of vague on what exactly was wrong with the icons. I didn't quite understand if they complained the category icons in the Applications menu or the icons on the top panel. Since they mentioned Red Hat 9 it might have been the top panel ones (bluecurve), but I can't say for sure. Bugs should probably be filed on that. To me it looks obvious as soon as you click gnome Applications menu. Accessories, Education, Games... etc icons really look old school, but not cool old skool :) Reviews are just reviews. I've seen a lot of positive ones about Fedora 8 as well. - Andreas Have you heard latest Linux Action Show (LAS)? I really agree with them, not because I'm mindless LAS gnome but because they totally resonate with my own opinion. Please listen to it. It comes down to mediocre - design wise, but only on some element because some parts are great but some are just not - and that makes the difference even more obvious. Fedora is a great distro and has really cutting edge technology and we feel a bit disappointed when design doesn't follow that as it did with FC6 and F7 IMHO. Valent. -- http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com/ linux, blog, anime, spirituality, windsurf, wireless registered as user #367004 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org. ICQ: 2125241, Skype: valent.turkovic ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: A pretty please (regrading Fedora 9 theme)
On 1/1/08, Máirín Duffy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Valent Turkovic wrote: Did you listen to Linux Action Show podcast review in the link that is provided? They also mention icons and few other issues, but best listen to it if you can. Sorry, I didn't, I don't have much time these days. A summary of actual issues brought up would be helpful. I was away a few days... so the late reply. Mairin please take the time and listen to the podcast, they have really gone into details and especially you as the leader of artwork team should listen to it. If you have flash you can hear it here: http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com/index.php/archives/fedora-8-audio-review/ if you want to listen to if offline here you go: http://www.archive.org/download/Fedora8ReviewlinuxActionShowEp067/Linuxactionshowep067-Fedora8Review.ogg http://www.archive.org/download/Fedora8ReviewlinuxActionShowEp067/Linuxactionshowep067-Fedora8Review_64kb.mp3 Thank you, Valent. -- http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com/ linux, blog, anime, spirituality, windsurf, wireless registered as user #367004 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org. ICQ: 2125241, Skype: valent.turkovic ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: A Thought About F9 Artwork
John Baer wrote: All, IMO the F8 artwork presents Fedora very favorably and it seems a waste not to leverage this success in F9. Does it make sense to change the theme every other release cycle and use the off cycle to improve or tweak the current theme? What do you actually mean when you say theme ? Presenting the same question a differ way. Would Fedora users be disappointed if the F9 came with an improved F8 theme (ie. same theme, new wallpaper)? Bring back FC6 wallpaper if you are recycling :) Valent. ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: A Thought About F9 Artwork
Steven Garrity wrote: John Baer wrote: Does it make sense to change the theme every other release cycle and use the off cycle to improve or tweak the current theme? This is a good point - it would be nice to see a somewhat common theme getting more and more polished with each release. More of an evolution than a complete redesign each time. That said, the last few themes have been a bit like this. Things that are easier to change, like the splash screens and wallpaper can change more frequently and dramatically. Things that are more challenging to redesign well, like Gtk and Metacity themes evolve more slowly. This reminds me of the 6 layers of buildings from Stewart Brand's classic book, How Buildings Learn: http://www.peterme.com/archives/0323.html I would like to see a general visual theme for Fedora that can slowly evolve and improve with each release, but still have enough wiggle-room for each release to feel new and exciting. I proposed a seasonal Spring/Fall theme set to coincide with the time-based release schedule of Fedora back in November. I've been trying to create a page for it on the wiki, but I'm having trouble getting my account created (probably my own fault). Quoting myself: As the Fedora release schedule is now about as reliable as the coming of spring and fall, it occurred to me that spring and fall might serve as appropriate visual themes for alternating releases. Both spring and fall (aka autumn) are nice natural visual metaphors that have recognizable and (potentially) beautiful color schemes associated with them. They are also both natural themes, which can work well for desktop themes. Perhaps we could adopt a spring visual theme for the odd-numbered releases that fall in the spring, and a fall visual theme for the even-numbered releases that fall in the, well, fall. This would also provide a way to have a strong visual change between releases, but still build on a larger theme that could grow more refined over multiple releases. https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2007-November/msg00099.html A theme like this would allow a common thread for all Fedora release visuals, but also a nice back-and-forth change for each release. This sounds like a great idea. Can Fedora change colour palette? Sorry for my lack of knowledge if RedHat or Fedora board have forbidden using other colors but blue-gray and the palette around those colors. ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: A Thought About F9 Artwork
Martin Sourada wrote: On Wed, 2008-01-09 at 17:49 +0100, Valent Turkovic wrote: Steven Garrity wrote: Please look these two screenshots: http://bayimg.com/MAIAIaaBL http://bayimg.com/MAiagaABL One is FC6 and other is F8. Can you make the difference. The differences are subtle, too subtle and too bland IMHO. I would love to see Fedora 9 get the gtk theme it deserves. So slowing down design really sound bad to me. Valent. I saw these two quite long quite a long ago and you were told, that the difference is obvious, though subtle. As for the Fedora 9 gtk theme. So far this [1] seems what will be in Fedora 9, although there is still room for improvement. But why don't you come up with something awesome yourself? We are all doing our best while you seem to just rant about how things would be better. Because I have no actual creative talent but as I said in my email I have an critic eye and I have been volunteering as a critic for my friends and family for over 15 years - they are photographers, designers, 3d modelers and artists and I'm really respected for my constructive criticism. I can't create a new gtk theme but I can say to you if one sucks or or if it rocks. You can look for yourself for some ideas: http://browse.deviantart.com/customization/skins/linuxutil/gnome/gtk2/?order=9alltime=yes http://www.gnome-look.org/index.php?xsortmode=downpage=0xcontentmode=100 There are lots of great themes and designs. I don't work for fedora ArtTeam but I'm a long time fedora desktop user and I would love to see some improvements in how fedora looks. I know that lot of people work hard and I really appreciate it, and I have seen what great designs they have done (except F8 IMHO). If you look at other other desktops - they are moving forward (look at OSX, Vista and some of other linux distros) and I as Fedora user feel stuck in design past :) I know that lot of things you can't change because Gnome is responsible for that. Nobody has touched gnome panels design wise since FC1, maybe I'm overstating it but it looks like that to me. New theme isn't needed just in present one do something with gnome panels. Why are gnome panels so plain? So what can I do except to rant? Do you have some idea how else I can contribute? Because this is the best I can do (ps. I also contribute in reporting all the bugs I find to bugzilla). Valent. ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: A Thought About F9 Artwork
Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote: Fedora shouldn't change main color! It should only push some freshness and live to the Linux desktop. But fresh is a new colour :) Come on you burned blue colour from all your monitors that if one more blue theme comes out it will look washed ot because the blue fosfor in monitors is burned out :) ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: A Thought About F9 Artwork
Máirín Duffy wrote: Laith Juwaidah wrote: Perhaps we could adopt a spring visual theme for the odd-numbered releases that fall in the spring, and a fall visual theme for the even-numbered releases that fall in the, well, fall. Could it also be that the colors match the season (green for spring releases and yellow/orange for fall ones?)? Whenever we try anything that is !blue, we get a whole lot of negative feedback. People like to look at the colors far more symbolically than they should I think. ~m I don't like opensuse in particular but they have made a break from blue in latest release - now its green, and it looks great! I would love to see Fedora !blue for at least one release - it would be refreshing. ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: A pretty please (regrading Fedora 9 theme)
On 1/1/08, Máirín Duffy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Valent Turkovic wrote: Did you listen to Linux Action Show podcast review in the link that is provided? They also mention icons and few other issues, but best listen to it if you can. Sorry, I didn't, I don't have much time these days. A summary of actual issues brought up would be helpful. The wallpaper could have been more exciting, yes. The rest of the artwork I think is better with a more simple design, though, without too much in-your-face branding. We don't want the distro to be akin to an overly gaudy person wearing way too much makeup, you know? I see your point of view and I understand it. I must tell you that I don't have anything againgst Fedora design but I honestly don't see any big difference between Fedora 6 (which I run at work) and Fedora 8 which I run at home. You don't see a difference between the artwork in Fedora 6 and Fedora 8? You must be in the far minority. Fedora 6 had much darker colored artwork than Fedora 8, and it was much more heavily branded. http://bayimg.com/MAiagaABL http://bayimg.com/MAIAIaaBL Look at these two screenshots, can you guess which is FC6 and which is F8? You probably can... but I would bet lot's of people wouldn't. One is my work FC6 desktop and other is my home Fedora 8. If I took screenshots and compared them I would probably see differences but to an ordinary user and not art team who works on those changes they are so subtle that we don't see them. Only real difference we users actually see is the wallpaper. I think maybe you're talking more about GTK+ and metacity themes, while in our discussion about the Fedora 9 artwork we are talking about the artwork - the wallpaper, splash screens, etc. The former hasn't changed very much no, the latter has changed dramatically and I am not sure how you could actually argue that any differently. Yes :) Sorry for the confusion, but I was talking generally about complete Fedora look and artwork, I'm not too much familiar with the terms you probably use every day, so sorry for the confusion. The grub graphical menu, splash screens and wallpape are different but complete look of Fedora hasn't changed that much - here I think about GTK+ and metacity themes and icons. I use fedora desktop around 10h per day but I look at firefox, gaim and openoffice and not widgets. The parts of the Gnome I look the most are top and bottom panels and of course wallpaper... Okay, that is different than the artwork we are discussing for sure. If you have a GTK+ and metacity theme you would like to propose for consideration in F9 that would be great. Artwork though is a very I can ask the author of the theme I posted you the screenshot because I'm not the author, but please first tell me what you think of it? different process. I am not sure though how you would confuse Martin's sketches of water waves with designs for GTK+ and metacity themes, that seems a bit of a leap. Could I trouble you for an oppinion? Did you have an opportunity to run LinuxMint? If not please look at this screenshot: http://www.linuxmint.com/img/screenshots/celena/1024/mintmenu.png What do you think about the theme on Gnome panels. I believe that fedora hasn't changer it's... maybe ever, no? What is your opinion on that? I must admit that the LinuxMint design team really surprised me... they had some experiments with the look of their distro that didn't came out well in some previous version, but I must admit that I really love the panels - it is subtle but still looks very nice. That looks like it's the applications menu from SuSE. I don't really like it from a usability POV - it appears to overwhelm the user with choices. It also looks a bit too much like Windows I think. I think the menu we have in Fedora is much easier and less overwhelming to use but I guess I would have to see or run some comparative usability studies to know if the SuSE-style menu has a negative impact on usability. (I am guessing so from a comparison of the number items presented. Less items tend to be easier to work with.) ~m I was asking you to look at the artwork, to be more precise to look at the gnome panels GTK+ theme - not the Gnome slab application menu. That isn't subtle, that is a major difference compared to default gnome applications menu. I like it how MintLinux has implemented it but I hate, hate, hate how OpenSuse has implemented it, but that is offtopic. Valent. ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list -- http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com/ linux, blog, anime, spirituality, windsurf, wireless registered as user #367004 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org. ICQ: 2125241, Skype: valent.turkovic ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list
Re: A pretty please (regrading Fedora 9 theme)
On 1/1/08, Máirín Duffy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Valent Turkovic wrote: Could I trouble you for an oppinion? Did you have an opportunity to run LinuxMint? If not please look at this screenshot: http://www.linuxmint.com/img/screenshots/celena/1024/mintmenu.png Better even look at this screenshot not to confuse it with applications menu: http://www.linuxmint.com/img/screenshots/celena/1024/mintupload.png Valent. -- http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com/ linux, blog, anime, spirituality, windsurf, wireless registered as user #367004 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org. ICQ: 2125241, Skype: valent.turkovic ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: A pretty please (regrading Fedora 9 theme)
On 1/1/08, Máirín Duffy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Valent Turkovic wrote: Here are one audio review which also says artwork for Fedora 8 is lacking: http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com/index.php/archives/fedora-8-audio-review/ and one random forum comment: Artwork quite poor compared to version 7. http://linuxmint.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=43139#p43139 I could point at a lot more reviews and magazine articles that saw it as an improvement. It's artwork, it's subjective, you can't please everyone and if you do you're probably doing something wrong. For every negative comment I've seen or heard about the F8 theme, I've seen 9 or 10 positive ones. Did you listen to Linux Action Show podcast review in the link that is provided? They also mention icons and few other issues, but best listen to it if you can. The wallpaper could have been more exciting, yes. The rest of the artwork I think is better with a more simple design, though, without too much in-your-face branding. We don't want the distro to be akin to an overly gaudy person wearing way too much makeup, you know? I see your point of view and I understand it. I must tell you that I don't have anything againgst Fedora design but I honestly don't see any big difference between Fedora 6 (which I run at work) and Fedora 8 which I run at home. If I took screenshots and compared them I would probably see differences but to an ordinary user and not art team who works on those changes they are so subtle that we don't see them. Only real difference we users actually see is the wallpaper. I use fedora desktop around 10h per day but I look at firefox, gaim and openoffice and not widgets. The parts of the Gnome I look the most are top and bottom panels and of course wallpaper... ~m Could I trouble you for an oppinion? Did you have an opportunity to run LinuxMint? If not please look at this screenshot: http://www.linuxmint.com/img/screenshots/celena/1024/mintmenu.png What do you think about the theme on Gnome panels. I believe that fedora hasn't changer it's... maybe ever, no? What is your opinion on that? I must admit that the LinuxMint design team really surprised me... they had some experiments with the look of their distro that didn't came out well in some previous version, but I must admit that I really love the panels - it is subtle but still looks very nice. Thank you, Valent. -- http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com/ linux, blog, anime, spirituality, windsurf, wireless registered as user #367004 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org. ICQ: 2125241, Skype: valent.turkovic ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: [F9 theme proposal] (Also Freedom :)) Round 1
On 12/30/07, Laith Juwaidah [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm not being mean or anything, but I don't think having war stuff in the wallpaper is a good idea, I don't wanna see war whenever I open my computer. Honestly, I'll change the theme if that is actually the default for F9. Sorry for being rude, but I really hate war! I'm from Iraq if that helps :D Cheers! :) Hi, affcourse you aren't being mean, this is a strong image so it brings strong feedback from you, and that is ok. I'm from Croatia (we had a war for independence 15 years ago, so I know war in person not from TV). I would like to see some strong and bold from Fedora 9 theme, for me fedora 8 theme is the weakest and blandest to date and it is the ONLY theme I changed, and I used fedora since FC5. Valent -- http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com/ linux, blog, anime, spirituality, windsurf, wireless registered as user #367004 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org. ICQ: 2125241, Skype: valent.turkovic ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
A pretty please (regrading Fedora 9 theme)
Hi, first to introduce myself. I'm 29 years old fiber-optics technician and a linux geek from Croatia. I used fedora since came out but for my primary desktop since FC5 (i used openSUSE before and Mandriva before that, ubuntu just doesn't work for me). I'm also a amateur photographer and have worked with different artists as a critic for last 10 years. This is really hard for me to say and I apologize in advance because all of Fedora Artwork team does great job, but I really have to say what I think. I have seen this: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F9Themes/Waves and it frightens me if this is going to be the Fedora 9 theme... or anything near this. If these are only sketches then ok. But this bring me back to Fedora 8 theme proposal when I saw current infinity theme proposed and I thought it will never pass quality check - how was I surprised when I booted Fedora 8 for the first time. I know that some people are really satisfied with Fedora 8 theme, and that different people have different tastes but still I feel fedora 8 theme as too bland, too simple (and I love zen simple design!) and just too plain. FC5 baloons were nice, FC6 DNA theme was amazing!, F7 hot baloons were cool but I just can't say anything nice about F8 Infinity. I used Fedora as my primary work desktop since FC5 and for work also (since FC6) and I upgrade my home systems always to latest Fedora - this is the only wallpaper I changed from default and I believe that says a lot. Unfortunately, I have no creativity talent (except photography) and I cannot contribute directly except as an constructive critic. Please, please, pretty please go with a more bold wallpaper theme this time. Thank you once more for all the work you have given to Fedora project and I hope you accept these comments as constructive because this is my intention. Valent. -- http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com/ linux, blog, anime, spirituality, windsurf, wireless registered as user #367004 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org. ICQ: 2125241, Skype: valent.turkovic ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Here are some of my ideas for Fedora 8 and Fedora 9
On Tue, 2007-07-03 at 13:44 -0400, Kelly wrote: Beagle doesn't waste resources? Even Google Desktop is more efficient than Beagle, which has been the cause of serious memory slowndown on every Linux system I've run with it installed. And I haven't seen any performance with beagle on or off. My 3 systems with mupltiple fedora core 6, fedora 7 and rawhide work same with beagle on or off. I also tested it on a really poor celeron and only 256mb laptop with ubuntu running. I disabled beagle completely on this laptop and it still it's performance was bad as it was before I disabled beagle and some other stuff. the moral of the story: If you have crappy hardware you will have crappy performance and it doesn't matter if beagle is running or not. If you have good hardware you will have nice performance no matter if beagle is on or off. ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Here are some of my ideas for Fedora 8 and Fedora 9
On Wed, 2007-07-04 at 13:34 +0200, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: Valent, The burden of making beagle work is on the people who want to have beagle in by default like you, everyone else is entitled to decide the hassle of debugging or helping to debug beagle outweights the benefits. beagle is one of the few applications I know people manually remove from their systems when it's installed. Till it reaches the point people who don't use it don't notice it's installed there's no use asking for it to be in the default install. Well I would argue that the people who remove it are a minority, not the other way around. I have seen beagle installed on multiple systems and it is as unobtrusive as an app can be. I have tested it on Fedora Core6, multiple Fedora 7 installations and now I'm testing it on Rawhide. So I have extensive experience with beagle. There's being useful There's being not so useful but not intrusive And there's being not so useful and very intrusive. Beagle is at state 3 today. That's not a good state. For me it is at state 1. And by me I don't mean only one lone desktop. As I have told you I run multiple copies on multiple hardware sutups - and on all of them beagle is at state 1. I would be writing this year ago when I was running Fedora 5 ane beagle was a nightmare, but it has gone a long way since then. But it won't change by pestering people who didn't ask for beagle in the first place and had to make the effort to remove it because it was degrading their systems. Sorry if my approach seams a bit rough, but I find english hard to translate finer points, but as you can guess it is not my mother tongue. But now do the same people than have a vote what does in the default install and what does not if they don't give an effort to troubleshoot it a little. Only saying me too to a bugzilla entry or on a mailing list makes beagle look bad but only because the majority of people who don't have issues with beagle don't even go to these mailing lists or to bugzilla. If you have tested beagle on multiple systems and find it causing problems then please excuse me - show us your test results and that is ok. I have seen much bigger issues with some apps in Fedora and they aren't removed from default install. Like a big, really huge bug with new user-switcher applet (look for my bugzilla entry) in Fedora 7. What is a great feature but it caused data and time loss for me! I have multiple resource meters running, and I see when my system acts strange and inspect it. Usually it is Firefox who causes my CPU to go to 100%. Should Firefox be removed because of this from default fedora install? ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
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Hello, I love your service and use it a lot for fedora-list mailing list. Could you be so kind and include other fedora mailing lists? The list is here: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate#head-e515a6e891efe6e2f1c8faa0434f8b5422510668 but the most note worthy are these lists: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] fedora-art-list@redhat.com just to name a few. Thank you again for this great service you are providing. Valent. -- http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com/ linux, blog, anime, spirituality, windsurf, wireless registered as user #367004 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org. ICQ: 2125241 Skype: valent.turkovic ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: fedora-devel and other mailing lists
Sorry, ignore this message. On 7/3/07, Valent Turkovic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, I love your service and use it a lot for fedora-list mailing list. Could you be so kind and include other fedora mailing lists? The list is here: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate#head-e515a6e891efe6e2f1c8faa0434f8b5422510668 but the most note worthy are these lists: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] fedora-art-list@redhat.com just to name a few. Thank you again for this great service you are providing. Valent. -- http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com/ linux, blog, anime, spirituality, windsurf, wireless registered as user #367004 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org. ICQ: 2125241 Skype: valent.turkovic -- http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com/ linux, blog, anime, spirituality, windsurf, wireless registered as user #367004 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org. ICQ: 2125241 Skype: valent.turkovic ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Here are some of my ideas for Fedora 8 and Fedora 9
On 7/3/07, Paul [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 2007-07-02 at 23:24 +0200, Valent Turkovic wrote: SNIP * NTFS support during installation there should be NTFS support built in to anaconda so that ntfs partitions are automatically recognized and added to /etc/fstab - and that users are given an option to make them read-only or to be mounted in read-write mode. I don't believe this is possible because of non-free licensing reasons. Please reconsider your statement. NTFS is not any longer on forbidden list and also ntfs-3g rpms are available from default repositories. also check out this bugzilla entry: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=65749 The reason for Firefox Icon not being used is that you can change your browser to some other though the preferred applications control panel to something else. Nothing like clicking on the Firefox icon and firing up Links! When default browsing app changes so should the icon. To me this feels like a roulet - you see an icon but you place bets before clicking it and then see what app starts after you click it. It should be unambiguous which apps starts from just looking at the icon. If it is firefox it should be firefox icon, if it is other some other browser that the icon should be also changer to it's default icon. * Desktop shortcut for joining Fedora IRC (aka Get Live Help) Fedora is about freedom+communication, right? Why not make this statement more that just a nice slogan. If you installed saabyon linux SNIP in IRC chat room and was on my way after I got quick help. Whis kind of help was precious to me and would love to see it in fedora as one of it's main features and not just as a slogan. screenshot: http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=382063978size=l Not a bad idea ... I would give that a +1 I just ripped the idea from Sabayon linux guys... but it is a great one. * Desktop folder with examples of what this linux thing can do :) This is especially important for a live cd versions. Ubuntu has this SNIP great value in video presentation and include some great videos on Fedora 8 live CD. ubuntu examples: http://johnny.chadda.se/wp-content/uploads/2006/06/Ubuntu_Examples.png and another: http://knowledge76.com/images/thumb/800px-Dapper_examples.png Not a bad idea, though I would definitely allow not installing them if you don't want/need the extra cruft. The ones I've liked are the We Are Here and the fedora remix videos. Of the RedHat ones I always liked Truth Happens and Inevitable There are really nice fedora showcase videos, as you listed some, and they deserver to be presented to new users. * a working Burning app for Fedora Gnome desktop Put any new user in front of fresh Fedora 7 desktop and ask them to SNIP a link for CD Recoder placed somewhere under Applications menu and not Places menu. Well the current one works like the windows XP one does ... drop in a burnable disk and drop files into the folder and click Write to Disk. I rather like the way Nautilus one works ... for most stuff it's all that's needed. I don't know anybody in Croatia that uses windows default app to burn disks. Everybody here uses Nero Burning Rom, or at least 80% of windows users. Maybe that is a local thing, but I believe that it is also the case in the rest of the Europe and the US. One thing also that I have observed is that users don't insert blank cd/dvd first. First thing they do is to look for the burning app, compile the list of files for burning and only then they insert bland cd or dvd. If you have some other experience with new users please share it with us. It is easy to test this. Put some folder on the desktop and say to your coworker, sister, brother or a friend to burn it to a blank CD and watch what they do. Did you test for do this? I did and this is my experience. That is why we need a better and more usable way to burn data under fedora gnome desktop. -- http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com/ linux, blog, anime, spirituality, windsurf, wireless registered as user #367004 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org. ICQ: 2125241 Skype: valent.turkovic ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Fedora 7 CD Labels Covers
On 5/28/07, Luya Tshimbalanga [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Replying to myself, I have updated the svg format. http://www.thefinalzone.com/images/fedora/11cdDVDLabel_mod.svg Choice of fonts for Release 7 and x86 version looks too different and too straight when compared to nice round fedora fonts. -- http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com/ linux, blog, anime, spirituality, windsurf, wireless registered as user #367004 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org. ICQ: 2125241 Skype: valent.turkovic ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: shiny desktop, anyone?
On 5/29/07, Chris Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 28/05/07, Valent Turkovic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 5/28/07, Steve Hill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 28 May 2007, Valent Turkovic wrote: I can only share one comment of my apple osx friend who was an ex windows user after installing Fedora 6: This looks like windows 98. Of course then you showed him Beryl, right? :) No, he removed it before I could do any customization to it... And after I showed him my desktop that was already too late, he was not interested too much because his own experience was too blend. That said, I was under the impression that an aweful lot of Windows people switch XP back to the classic interface - i.e. something that looks just like Win98? I saw Vista with Aero for the first time a couple of weeks ago - maybe I've just been spoilt by Beryl, but my first thought was It's just XP but with transparent bits and slightly different window decoration. I've not yet worked out why people are raving about Aero, it just doesn't seem anything special to me. People are't raving about it - it is just a little more polished - just what fedora 7 or 8 or 9 needs :) Why is every fedora the same - theme wise? Each fedora has great artwork but the theme says the same... that is just laziness :) or lack of insight... there should be gnome theme that corresponds with the artwork IMHO. At lest a little polish. Now F7 looks so Fedora Core 3 like :) not to make the same comparison my friend did with windows because I don't use them. And when I looked it from his perspective I saw he was right. Don't get me wrong I love Fedora theme... but when windows looks like osx I think Fedora needs also a little polish to make it shine... I consider the default Fedora settings to be quite plain and basic - they get the job done but they don't make you go Ooh. The first thing I do with my Fedora machines when they get installed is switch window manager and copy my customised settings onto the system. However, that's the power of Linux - you _can_ customise it, and what's right for one person isn't right for another. you can customize windows and osx, and you can argue which is more customizable... that is not the point. the point is in default theme. There is a limit to how far the defaults can go though - for example, starting Compiz or Beryl by default would certainly make things shiny, but there are just so many driver problems associated with them. I don't agree. I had 3rd party Compiz and Berly packages on FC5 and FC6 6 months ago and had better exeperience and less bugs with them than with compiz that is now in F7! To me this looks like lack of attention for these packages. I'm motivated to weigh in on this argument as so far the accusations levelled at Fedora is that it looks like Windows 98, Fedora Core 3 and needs to be shinier. You've also accused artists of laziness and that each theme looks the same. Try taking a look at other distributions sometime - you'll I only look at Fedora because it is the only distro I use full time :) Sorry if I sounded like accusing artist of being lazy - this wasn't my intention! I can see that they do a lot of work because each fedora release has a great and different looking artwork! And I love it! I only said that gnome theme should be inline with the rest of the artwork. If you want other distro for comparison - Mint Linux (as a good example comes to mind) and UbuntuStudio (as a not so good example). look at this: http://linuxmint.com/pictures/screenshots/bianca-2.2/06.png I love what they have done with the gnome theme - look how much better gnome panels look when you give them a little polish :) see much less variation and you are always welcome to use theme packs of which several sit in the main repository. The default look or out of the box experience is what everybody look at 90% of the time - and that is what gets screenshots in reviews. I know that you can theme the hell out of gnome but that is not the point. I'm not sure what version of Windows 98 looks like FC6 but I'm betting it wasn't OEM. As for arguing that Beryl and Compiz packages are not getting the required attention then it would be helpful if you elaborated a little, particularly regarding the bugs. Even have a trawl through bugzilla and add your thoughts. I added two compiz but to bugzilla. Currently I'm not testing or using berly because I'm spending all of my free time (and stealing alot of hours fromf work) deling with bigger bugs in Fedora 7 (they are all on bugzilla). Regards Chris Regards, Valent from Croatia. -- http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com/ linux, blog, anime, spirituality, windsurf, wireless registered as user #367004 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org. ICQ: 2125241 Skype: valent.turkovic ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com
Re: shiny desktop, anyone?
On 5/30/07, Steve Hill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 30 May 2007, Valent Turkovic wrote: If you want other distro for comparison - Mint Linux (as a good example comes to mind) and UbuntuStudio (as a not so good example). look at this: http://linuxmint.com/pictures/screenshots/bianca-2.2/06.png Mint seem to have made the panel a bit more interesting, but the titlebars are very plain and boring (also my complaint with the Fedora theme). I had a quick google around for Ubuntu Studio screenshots: http://ubuntustudio.com/ww2/themes/ubuntustudio/images/screenshots/screenshot-3.png Quite nice - I like the domed look on the panels and title bars, and that could be alpha-blended when switching to compiz to keep the theming consistent. For what it's worth, I use a customised LimeRefresh theme under Beryl, changing the green titlebars to blue - much more interesting than the plain default Metacity theme. That is what I'm talking abot - Fedora is the best linux desktop IMHO and only thing it need is a little, really little polish regarding gnome theme. -- http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com/ linux, blog, anime, spirituality, windsurf, wireless registered as user #367004 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org. ICQ: 2125241 Skype: valent.turkovic ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Fwd: shiny desktop, anyone?
I missed sending this mail to this mail list, so I'm doing it now. -- Forwarded message -- From: Valent Turkovic [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: May 28, 2007 3:53 PM Subject: shiny desktop, anyone? To: Development discussions related to Fedora Core [EMAIL PROTECTED], Discussions about development for the Fedora desktop [EMAIL PROTECTED] On 5/23/07, Matthias Clasen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 2007-05-23 at 16:39 +0800, Ken YANG wrote: as we see, suse 10.2 has the animation grub, it looks good. can fedora has this kind of grub? We (the desktop team) hope to get rid of the grub menu in the default boot sequence instead of making it nicer. See http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/FeatureBetterStartup Great! Go desktop team, go! :) I really believe that presentation of linux is one of the most important things... it must be shiny and prety :) Nice kernel hacks and speedups are nice... but those are things that most desktop users don't care and don't know even exist... but they know good interface and nice boot grub screen when they see one. So please make grub as nice as possible... the test of Fedora is really nice... I really like it graphically wise. I can only share one comment of my apple osx friend who was an ex windows user after installing Fedora 6: This looks like windows 98. And when I looked it from his perspective I saw he was right. Don't get me wrong I love Fedora theme... but when windows looks like osx I think Fedora needs also a little polish to make it shine... I saw UbuntuStudio theme, that is an other extreme... but still a good try. It is too dark an a bit too shiny... but I guess that that is what users expect to see. Just my 2c. -- http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com/ linux, blog, anime, spirituality, windsurf, wireless registered as user #367004 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org. ICQ: 2125241 Skype: valent.turkovic -- http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com/ linux, blog, anime, spirituality, windsurf, wireless registered as user #367004 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org. ICQ: 2125241 Skype: valent.turkovic ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
shutdown compared ubuntu vs fedora
Hi. I started a thread on fedora-desktop mailing list and they suggested you also get involved you I joined this list also. Here are some of the key points from thread going on fedora-desktop mailing list. Valent Turkovic: I used Mint Linux (ubuntu derivative) and loved it's shutdown button. This looks to me much more user friendly than one we have on Fedora. First buttons for shutdown, restart, sleep and log-off have icons - and fedora has only naked buttons. The screen dims when you click on shutdown - really nice effect. This looks to me as standard Ubuntu button and not something ubuntu has made them selves so I was puzzled when I didn't see it in Fedora 7 test 3 or 4. Can you also include this - a much better version of shutdown button than one fedora currently uses. It is much more usable, and user frendly - and it has logoff button integrated in it and not separate (as it should also be on fedora IMHO). Please look at the video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWuZvOAAE9c Matthias Clasen: The logout dialog is one of the best-hated derivations from upstream that you can find in Ubuntu. Hated by whom? And why? Can you explain a bit? Don't expect us to blindly follow them where they err, just because it looks shiny. I don't care if it is ubunut, gentoo, opensuse or fedora... but when I as a user see when one distro has taken one component and really made it shine (not as eyecandy) for users and made it much more user friendly and made it better usabillity wise ie. big icons that users get right away - that makes me want to see that kind of progress on all other linux desktops. Why do you thing that it is a mistake? Because they did it themselves independent of Gnome? I thought that it was part of gnome but that just fedora wasn't using it. Gnome people should see this as work done for them and include it in gnome if they like it. Or atlest give us users option to choose which shutdown button we would use. Jeroen van Meeuwen: IMHO, a shutdown button is a shutdown button... it shuts your computer down... if you want eye-candy (apart from whatever anyone subjectively considers eye-candy), you shouldn't shut down the computer in the first place. If you looked atleast at one desktop usability study you wouldn't say such tings. Buttons matter to users, colors of buttons matter... the shape of buttons also matters... Rogue: I am not an active poster on this thread, but I do believe that this would be the right list to discuss the OP's issue. Isn't this supposed to be the fedora usability list? If we do come to the agreement that an icon along with the text makes more sense, then we could request the art-team, or the team incharge to incorporate the changes. In the current dialog, I do see a certain usability hindrance. I am typically used to shutting down my laptop before heading to work. Recently when I wished to hibernate the system instead, I found myself taking the effort of reading the text to get to the action that I intended to perform. I am not stating that icons are useless. Just that, it is easier for a lot of people to associate an image with an action. If appropriate icons were made available, and if I had used those icons through the menu-items, then at one glance, I would know the button to click on (within the shutdown dialog). Regarding the question on the surrounding items being dimmed, I believe this is a feature that a lot of new generation applications are also taking up. I do not have the links to prove my point at the moment, but I shall do my research on get back to you on it. I *guess* the idea here is to gain the user's attention towards the action in question, but I may be wrong on this one :-) Steffen Kluge: It is much more usable, and user frendly - and it has logoff button integrated in it and not separate (as it should also be on fedora IMHO). I for one are no fan of lumping logout and shutdown together. They are fundamentally different tasks, at least if you come from a Unix background. When you say unix I hear servers. Fedora should be more about desktop and user experience with this great desktop. You should look more towards the OSX than to unix in these matters. Look just what Apple has made with an unix system when they combined a great user experience. I still prefer Fedora to OSX, but I must say Fedora could do better it it borrowed some of the great solutions on OSX desktop. Different pieces should be logically grouped together even if the are for different tasks - that is done all the time - so I don't see any argument not to do it here. For a better desktop workflow for me it is nor logical to have two buttons - especially because you really have to look hard at them to make the distinction - and if you put them on gnome panel you have two buttons instead of one. To be more clear - I am talking about merging functionality of gnome panel buttons. In System gnome menu there is possibly a case for leaving them
