Re: idea for Fedora boot screen (Catalin Festila)
*My idea:* *Direct link* http://www.imagehosting.ro/images/ezo0czislu3w82fne4i1.gif *Thumbnail for websites* a href=http://www.imagehosting.ro/viewer.php?file=ezo0czislu3w82fne4i1.gif;img src=http://www.imagehosting.ro/images/ezo0czislu3w82fne4i1_thumb.gif; border=0 alt=ezo0czislu3w82fne4i1.gif //a -- http://python-catalin.blogspot.com http://pygame-catalin.blogspot.com ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: idea for Fedora boot screen (Catalin Festila)
On 04/10/2009 01:42 PM, Cata wrote: *My idea:* *Direct link* http://www.imagehosting.ro/images/ezo0czislu3w82fne4i1.gif Unfortunately something like this won't work, Fedora is an operating system for the entire world, we can't go with an English-only text. Due to localization concerns, is wide to avoid any texts rendered as graphics. On a side note, your GIF is playing way to fast in my Firefox, I can barely understand what's happening on screen (we wish Fedora would boot *that* fast :p ) -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com/ photography: http://photoblog.nicubunu.ro/ my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/ ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: idea for Fedora boot screen (Catalin Festila)
On Friday 10 April 2009 13:28:58 Nicu Buculei wrote: On a side note, your GIF is playing way to fast in my Firefox, I can barely understand what's happening on screen (we wish Fedora would boot *that* fast :p ) Moblin is partially based on Fedora and Intel developers want 2 seconds boot!!! (I don't believe it's possible, fast furious :D) http://www.h-online.com/open/Intel-aims-at-a-2-second-boot-for- Moblin--/news/113043 Jaroslav ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: idea for Fedora boot screen (Catalin Festila)
On 04/10/2009 04:25 PM, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: On Friday 10 April 2009 13:28:58 Nicu Buculei wrote: On a side note, your GIF is playing way to fast in my Firefox, I can barely understand what's happening on screen (we wish Fedora would boot *that* fast :p ) Moblin is partially based on Fedora and Intel developers want 2 seconds boot!!! (I don't believe it's possible, fast furious :D) http://www.h-online.com/open/Intel-aims-at-a-2-second-boot-for- Moblin--/news/113043 But according to other sources Fifteen operating system vendors have committed to distribute Moblin-based products, including Asianux, Canonical, DeviceVM, gOS, MontaVista, Novell, and Wind River (http://linuxfoundation.org/news-media/announcements/2009/04/linux-foundation-host-moblin-project) - no Fedora or Red Hat mentioned among them :p Anyway, Moblin is intended for special devices, it will always boot faster than a general purpose distro. I think we all would be happy with something more realistic around 20 seconds. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com/ photography: http://photoblog.nicubunu.ro/ my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/ ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: idea for Fedora boot screen
Sorry about that. I had intended to but not yet found the way to animate GIFs in GIMP. Mike - Original Message - From: Nicu Buculei nicu_fed...@nicubunu.ro To: Fedora Art List fedora-art-list@redhat.com Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 3:03:03 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: idea for Fedora boot screen On 04/09/2009 07:33 PM, Michael Langlie wrote: I added a third version that does not use the Fedora logo or branding. The layered Photoshop files are also zipped and posted on my page. Sorry for the apparently rude question, but Mike, it would be hard to use GIMP or any FOSS tool for creating such trivial type of graphics? We use to pride about the Fedora graphics being made *with* Fedora, as a testimony of our confidence in the distro and I see the Photoshop here as a step back. Even more as I wasn't able to see a straightforward way to create the final GIFs starting from your PSDs with a Free tool (I guess is about transitions or some other unsupported features from the file format). -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com/ photography: http://photoblog.nicubunu.ro/ my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/ ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: idea for Fedora boot screen
Hi Nicu, - Original Message From: Nicu Buculei nicu_fed...@nicubunu.ro Subject: Re: idea for Fedora boot screen On 04/09/2009 07:33 PM, Michael Langlie wrote: I added a third version that does not use the Fedora logo or branding. The layered Photoshop files are also zipped and posted on my page. Sorry for the apparently rude question, but Mike, it would be hard to use GIMP or any FOSS tool for creating such trivial type of graphics? I think in this case it's probably okay, and here's why I think why: 1) Animation is hard in FOSS. Besides Blender (which is overkill for this) there isn't really much. Gimp does have the animation tool and that probably could have been used here, but Mike did provide the PSD source which is openable by Gimp so we could modify the animation if we needed to. (I will admit it would take a significant amount of work to manipulate in Gimp because of how Photoshop sets up animations in the PSD, but still possible. In the future Gimp-based animations would make it easier for others to work with the file.) Even so, animation in FOSS is not a solved problem. 2) The animation is in gif format, not flash, not quicktime, etc. etc. Animated GIF I think is an animation format we can al agree on. 3) (I think this is the most important) The animation is not going to be used directly in Fedora. It's (correct me if I'm wrong) meant to be a mockup to demonstrate to Charlie how he will write the animation in Python. So the final product won't have much to do with proprietary tools, fortunately. What do you think with those in mind? We use to pride about the Fedora graphics being made *with* Fedora, as a testimony of our confidence in the distro and I see the Photoshop here as a step back. Even more as I wasn't able to see a straightforward way to create the final GIFs starting from your PSDs with a Free tool (I guess is about transitions or some other unsupported features from the file format). There is a way, it just requires a bit of time to set up, which we don't have much of now unfortunately. I do like the first animation though, and I talked to Charlie about doing a version of it with the thin Greek accent line along the bottom, but in a way that the Greek accent could be taken out easiy (eg for F12.) I think we're going to need a different approach to the artwork for F12 but we can talk about that when this stuff is out the door. Anyhow, I think adding just a simple subtle greek line along the bottom of the animation would tie it in with the other graphics [1]; I talked to Mike about whether or not he thought this might work and he thought it would be a fine approach. It really sucks that our animation tools suck. I wonder if synfig [2] is any more up to snuff these days. I have not tried it lately. It could be a useful tool in the future. ~m [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F11/RC [2] http://synfig.org/ ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: idea for Fedora boot screen (Catalin Festila)
On Friday 10 April 2009 15:38:38 Nicu Buculei wrote: On 04/10/2009 04:25 PM, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: On Friday 10 April 2009 13:28:58 Nicu Buculei wrote: On a side note, your GIF is playing way to fast in my Firefox, I can barely understand what's happening on screen (we wish Fedora would boot *that* fast :p ) Moblin is partially based on Fedora and Intel developers want 2 seconds boot!!! (I don't believe it's possible, fast furious :D) http://www.h-online.com/open/Intel-aims-at-a-2-second-boot-for- Moblin--/news/113043 But according to other sources Fifteen operating system vendors have committed to distribute Moblin-based products, including Asianux, Canonical, DeviceVM, gOS, MontaVista, Novell, and Wind River (http://linuxfoundation.org/news-media/announcements/2009/04/linux-foundati on-host-moblin-project) - no Fedora or Red Hat mentioned among them :p It's mixture of Fedora's base packages, OpenSUSE build system (?) and other distros with lot of custom hacks as I know :-) Anyway, Moblin is intended for special devices, it will always boot faster than a general purpose distro. I think we all would be happy with something more realistic around 20 seconds. Yes, it's for netbooks and embedded systems, so they can do a lot of optimizations, light BIOS etc. But with EEE Box styled devices it can reach desktop soon too. Jaroslav ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: idea for Fedora boot screen
On 04/10/2009 04:35 PM, Máirín Duffy wrote: It really sucks that our animation tools suck. I wonder if synfig [2] is any more up to snuff these days. I have not tried it lately. It could be a useful tool in the future. I saw Tatica talking about synfig as one of the applications she like, so I guess we can have some insight from her... -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com/ photography: http://photoblog.nicubunu.ro/ my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/ ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: idea for Fedora boot screen
- Original Message From: Michael Langlie mlang...@redhat.com To: Fedora Art List fedora-art-list@redhat.com Sorry about that. I had intended to but not yet found the way to animate GIFs in GIMP. Nothing to be sorry about :) The animation looks great. If you ever need help/advice in what tool to use there's lots of folks here to help. Maybe Tatica can give us an update on synfig. ~m ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: idea for Fedora boot screen
Michael Langlie wrote: Here are a couple animated GIFs (forgive the glow banding near the end) demonstrating ideas for a general/non-themed Fedora boot screen. They use the logo icon as a progress indicator before being applied as branding. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Image:Fedora_boot_animation_01.gif https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Image:Fedora_boot_animation_02.gif Mike ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list How does this look? Please give feedback asap. There a are a couple things still missing (the stepped progress of the white, the haloing moving from the centre). Ignore the rays on the halo. [1] http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~brejc8/temp/plymouth_fedora.mpg ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: idea for Fedora boot screen (Catalin Festila)
On Fri, 2009-04-10 at 16:38 +0300, Nicu Buculei wrote: Anyway, Moblin is intended for special devices, it will always boot faster than a general purpose distro. I think we all would be happy with something more realistic around 20 seconds. Well, it still takes kernel to load a few seconds and udev a few seconds and X a few seconds... On standard machines I don't believe (much) less than 30s is possible if we are talking about booting to a fully loaded usable standard purpose desktop using kernel that is supposed to work on wide range of hardware... Martin signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: idea for Fedora boot screen
On Fri, 2009-04-10 at 09:40 -0400, Michael Langlie wrote: Sorry about that. I had intended to but not yet found the way to animate GIFs in GIMP. One layer per frame, you'll specify that you want to make it animated during save. Not exactly convenient, since I haven't yet figured if there is a way to preview the animation in gimp, but not hard either. I also don't know where to specify frames duration (other than default frames duration that is set during save)... Here's a quick example [1][2] Mike Martin References: [1] http://mso.fedorapeople.org/gimp-ani/gimp-animation-test.xcf [2] http://mso.fedorapeople.org/gimp-ani/gimp-animation-test.gif signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: idea for Fedora boot screen
First , i try new boot screen with 20 sec and without text. I like first boot screen ( https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Image:Fedora_boot_animation_01.gif) by Michael Langlie . Maybe next time i see more beautiful icons or boot screen. -- http://python-catalin.blogspot.com http://pygame-catalin.blogspot.com ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: idea for Fedora boot screen
Charlie Brej wrote: Michael Langlie wrote: Here are a couple animated GIFs (forgive the glow banding near the end) demonstrating ideas for a general/non-themed Fedora boot screen. They use the logo icon as a progress indicator before being applied as branding. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Image:Fedora_boot_animation_01.gif https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Image:Fedora_boot_animation_02.gif Mike ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list How does this look? Please give feedback asap. There a are a couple things still missing (the stepped progress of the white, the haloing moving from the centre). Ignore the rays on the halo. [1] http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~brejc8/temp/plymouth_fedora.mpg ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list I am going to be away till next Friday somewhere I doubt I will be able to get a reasonable internet connection, so here are the two plugins in their current state. http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~brejc8/temp/fedora.tar.gz http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~brejc8/temp/leonidas.tar.gz ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: idea for Fedora boot screen
Great work! I like the second with the infinity symbol. 2009/4/8 Michael Langlie mlang...@redhat.com Here are a couple animated GIFs (forgive the glow banding near the end) demonstrating ideas for a general/non-themed Fedora boot screen. They use the logo icon as a progress indicator before being applied as branding. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Image:Fedora_boot_animation_01.gif https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Image:Fedora_boot_animation_02.gif Mike ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list -- Paolo Leoni ~ http://pleoni.altervista.org ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: idea for Fedora boot screen
Hey Mike, On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 5:59 PM, Michael Langlie mlang...@redhat.com wrote: Here are a couple animated GIFs (forgive the glow banding near the end) demonstrating ideas for a general/non-themed Fedora boot screen. They use the logo icon as a progress indicator before being applied as branding. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Image:Fedora_boot_animation_01.gif https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Image:Fedora_boot_animation_02.gif These look great. I love this simplicity and elegance. And I think it looks even better than I expected without the Fedora text. I think I prefer the first slightly more than the second because the second puts too much emphasis on the infinity symbol. This also gives us a reasonable target for how quickly we should boot. My view is that the current trend of highly decorative and themed boot splashes is an artifact of our failure to improve boot times. We should be designing for the case where boot is fairly quick and the boot screens are merely a brief transition to GDM (only necessary since it will be longer than 2 seconds even in the best case). Having it be a distinct and highly decorative stage in the boot process detracts from the overall experience from power-on to desktop. Also, moving away from a traditional progress bar is a good thing, in my opinion. For what its worth, Windows 7 seems to be headed in this direction as well: http://blogs.msdn.com/e7/archive/2009/02/18/engineering-the-windows-7-boot-animation.aspx Anyway, I think this is clearly a step in the right direction. Perhaps some of the talented artists on this list can further refine these ideas. But even as they are I think this is an excellent candidate for the default F11 boot splash. Jon PS. It is pretty exciting that in F11 we will have graphical/quiet/smooth/elegant boot on all major platforms for the first time ever. Before any other open source software distribution! As such I think it pays to think carefully about how we present this. ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
