Re: new direction for the wallpaper
Máirín Duffy wrote: Based on some feedback we've gotten about the beta wallpaper, I have a couple of approaches to suggest for moving forward, let me know which you think is the better approach: This morning I had the time to think a bit about changing directions: possibly this will make Paul nervous and it may put some deadlines in danger, but before committing to a radical change, I think it would be useful to see the post-beta feedback from a larger mass the users: the first wave of reviews, blogs and forum talks (the perception setters). We all here, supporters or critics, are pretty much subjectively involved and I think a breath of fresh air from the outside is valuable. What I said above is not to be read as stop the development, just as keep all the options open. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com/ photography: http://photoblog.nicubunu.ro/ my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/ ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: new direction for the wallpaper
On Tue, 2009-03-17 at 09:49 +0200, Nicu Buculei wrote: What I said above is not to be read as stop the development, just as keep all the options open. +1 :) Luca -- Today is Sweetmorn, the 3rd day of Discord in the YOLD 3175 A penny saved is a penny to squander. -- Ambrose Bierce ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: new direction for the wallpaper
- Original Message From: Nicu Buculei nicu_fed...@nicubunu.ro To: Fedora Art List fedora-art-list@redhat.com Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 3:49:51 AM Subject: Re: new direction for the wallpaper Máirín Duffy wrote: Based on some feedback we've gotten about the beta wallpaper, I have a couple of approaches to suggest for moving forward, let me know which you think is the better approach: This morning I had the time to think a bit about changing directions: possibly this will make Paul nervous and it may put some deadlines in danger, but before committing to a radical change, I think it would be useful to see the post-beta feedback from a larger mass the users: the first wave of reviews, blogs and forum talks (the perception setters). We all here, supporters or critics, are pretty much subjectively involved and I think a breath of fresh air from the outside is valuable. What I said above is not to be read as stop the development, just as keep all the options open. I think if more folks are willing to step up and commit to making it happen, it would be great for us to be able to change direction in response to the feedback we get. We do have to keep an eye on the schedule though. Right now I'm a little bit nervous about the manpower we have going into the wallpaper as I've already needed to put in a couple of late nights. :( ~m ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: new direction for the wallpaper - NEW FOLKS TOO!
On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 04:58:30AM -0700, Máirín Duffy wrote: - Original Message From: Nicu Buculei nicu_fed...@nicubunu.ro To: Fedora Art List fedora-art-list@redhat.com Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 3:49:51 AM Subject: Re: new direction for the wallpaper Máirín Duffy wrote: Based on some feedback we've gotten about the beta wallpaper, I have a couple of approaches to suggest for moving forward, let me know which you think is the better approach: This morning I had the time to think a bit about changing directions: possibly this will make Paul nervous and it may put some deadlines in danger, but before committing to a radical change, I think it would be useful to see the post-beta feedback from a larger mass the users: the first wave of reviews, blogs and forum talks (the perception setters). We all here, supporters or critics, are pretty much subjectively involved and I think a breath of fresh air from the outside is valuable. What I said above is not to be read as stop the development, just as keep all the options open. I think if more folks are willing to step up and commit to making it happen, it would be great for us to be able to change direction in response to the feedback we get. We do have to keep an eye on the schedule though. Right now I'm a little bit nervous about the manpower we have going into the wallpaper as I've already needed to put in a couple of late nights. :( I think the Artwork team should be empowered to change direction if needed. The point of having a wallpaper release in the Beta was to encourage more feedback. If the team doesn't feel it can act on that feedback, it would be silly to bother in the first place! :-) As far as the schedule goes, I see it as an organic process that we try to improve and tune with each release. If it doesn't work perfectly this release, we will try to capture the problems and resolve them with a better attempt for the F12 schedule. Mo is right, we do need people to commit to helping with any changes proposed. It's great to have ideas coming in, and we should simply ask that the changes be backed up by a person agreeing to execute them, or that the Artwork team agree to make a decision by a specific date on which changes they'll accept and work on. How do you guys feel about a simple task list on the wiki by which artists could claim a task? That might make it easier to see what's left to do, and make progress. If all the work looks like it will land on one artist, maybe because people don't know what they can step up to do, it's far less likely to get done -- or at least, it will be very painful for that person when it does! It seems like we've had quite a number of people come by the list recently offering to learn and help, and this is a good occasion for them to do so. It's relatively easy to take some existing art from a background and make, say, a single banner with specific dimensions. (At least, it seems easy to me, even though I'm not an artist!) :-) If each person taking a task (1) feels responsible for getting that task done, (2) knows exactly what is needed to finish it, and (3) knows when it's due, I suspect we have enough talented artists here to get everything done. It's *so* much easier for ten people to put in two hours of work each, than for two people to put in ten hours each. And as others have said before, it's also easier for experienced folks to fine-tune a particular task, than to do the whole thing from scratch. And asking for help is always encouraged here! It looks like there is a very complete set of instructions already on the Artwork team's wiki area, which would help form the task list (along with the bullet list of different splashes and banners): https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/ThemingOverview Do team members think we can get all the other art done in time for the Fedora 11 Preview Release? That might mean a tight schedule, since I think all the freeze stuff for F11 Preview happens around April 14, a little less than a month from now. But I think it can be done if we can put a plan in place quickly, first for deciding and making changes to the background however the Artwork team feels is required, then tasking out the rest of the theme and getting those pieces done. The last thing on my mind is being schedule-pushy as the FPL. The Artwork team has long expressed the desire to get Artwork done sooner, so I'm just trying to bring that historical perspective. I think people are doing a great job already, and I really feel there's enough momentum to do a superb F11 Preview with full artwork. Let's make it easy for people to grab a small piece of work and own it. -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs
Re: new direction for the wallpaper - NEW FOLKS TOO!
Paul W. Frields wrote: I think the Artwork team should be empowered to change direction if needed. The point of having a wallpaper release in the Beta was to encourage more feedback. If the team doesn't feel it can act on that feedback, it would be silly to bother in the first place! :-) As far as the schedule goes, I see it as an organic process that we try to improve and tune with each release. If it doesn't work perfectly this release, we will try to capture the problems and resolve them with a better attempt for the F12 schedule. Mo is right, we do need people to commit to helping with any changes proposed. It's great to have ideas coming in, and we should simply ask that the changes be backed up by a person agreeing to execute them, or that the Artwork team agree to make a decision by a specific date on which changes they'll accept and work on. I am leaning towards an enhancement on what we have in Beta instead of changing the direction, but I need to see the reactions once it is in the wild (I am often proved wrong). How do you guys feel about a simple task list on the wiki by which artists could claim a task? That might make it easier to see what's left to do, and make progress. If all the work looks like it will land on one artist, maybe because people don't know what they can step up to do, it's far less likely to get done -- or at least, it will be very painful for that person when it does! It seems like we've had quite a number of people come by the list recently offering to learn and help, and this is a good occasion for them to do so. It's relatively easy to take some existing art from a background and make, say, a single banner with specific dimensions. (At least, it seems easy to me, even though I'm not an artist!) :-) The list is quite clear, it may be a copy/paste of your previous email or a simplification of the ThemingOverview page. But those tasks are blocking on the main wallpaper, since they will be a derivative of it. Or do you talk about a list of tasks for helping with the wallpaper, like finding source photos and such? It looks like there is a very complete set of instructions already on the Artwork team's wiki area, which would help form the task list (along with the bullet list of different splashes and banners): https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/ThemingOverview Yes, that is the reference, it is slightly outdated but is our best reference. Do team members think we can get all the other art done in time for the Fedora 11 Preview Release? That might mean a tight schedule, since I think all the freeze stuff for F11 Preview happens around April 14, a little less than a month from now. But I think it can be done if we can put a plan in place quickly, first for deciding and making changes to the background however the Artwork team feels is required, then tasking out the rest of the theme and getting those pieces done. I think it will be an interesting experience: until now we had abstract graphics, so it was easier to make things like Anaconda banners by just moving the elements in Inkscape, with photorealistic images I am not sure what's the best: different photos, heavy photomanipulation or just clever cropping. The last thing on my mind is being schedule-pushy as the FPL. The Artwork team has long expressed the desire to get Artwork done sooner, so I'm just trying to bring that historical perspective. I think people are doing a great job already, and I really feel there's enough momentum to do a superb F11 Preview with full artwork. Let's make it easy for people to grab a small piece of work and own it. We need someone to keep us with our feet on earth and remind about mundane things such as schedule... :p -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com/ photography: http://photoblog.nicubunu.ro/ my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/ ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: new direction for the wallpaper
Máirín Duffy wrote: Based on some feedback we've gotten about the beta wallpaper, I have a couple of approaches to suggest for moving forward, let me know which you think is the better approach: 1) Islands - I saw the movie Mama Mia this weekend for the first time, and it's a movie based on a pretty Greek island. We did a survey a while back that indicated most people would prefer a landscape-based wallpaper, but maybe instead of going with mountains+temple wallpaper we could try a landscape based on the islands of Greece, e.g. maybe somewhat like this (higher res, and a bit cleaned up, no boat in the water and the land area here is a bit too busy, maybe replace it or clean it up): I don't like this particular photo: - from a compositional point of view, it is correct, with the land at 1/3 of the screen, but id does not tell me anything; - the colors are dull, the land is brown (tan?), not green to show life and the water is too gray. - the resolution of 1600x1200 is not enough. Too bad Smolt is not giving any statistics about display sizes, but I expect a lot of people would need to scale it up. And even viewed at 100%, the photo lack details. If we are going with this approach, I think we may need to search for a better photo. http://www.flickr.com/photos/johnkarakatsanis/3334225599/sizes/l/ (Santorini Island Greece, by John.Karakatsanis CC-BY-SA) 2) Mount Olympus - or instead we could take the temple out of the current wallpaper and focus a bit more wholly on the mountains as the symbol of Greece rather than the temple. We might need to swap Bob's photo out for an actual photo of Mount Olympus in this case though. If we take the temple out, then the result may be a bit to close to the Windows XP default wallpaper but with mountains instead of a hill. Let me know if you have any thoughts, or even better mockups / adequately-licensed reference or source photos . Back when we started talking about landscape photography I did extensive search on Flickr and was not able to find something to like with Mount Olympus -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com/ photography: http://photoblog.nicubunu.ro/ my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/ ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: new direction for the wallpaper
On Sun, 2009-03-15 at 19:21 -0700, Máirín Duffy wrote: Based on some feedback we've gotten about the beta wallpaper, I have a couple of approaches to suggest for moving forward, let me know which you think is the better approach: 1) Islands - I saw the movie Mama Mia this weekend for the first time, and it's a movie based on a pretty Greek island. We did a survey a while back that indicated most people would prefer a landscape-based wallpaper, but maybe instead of going with mountains+temple wallpaper we could try a landscape based on the islands of Greece, e.g. maybe somewhat like this (higher res, and a bit cleaned up, no boat in the water and the land area here is a bit too busy, maybe replace it or clean it up): http://www.flickr.com/photos/johnkarakatsanis/3334225599/sizes/l/ (Santorini Island Greece, by John.Karakatsanis CC-BY-SA) 2) Mount Olympus - or instead we could take the temple out of the current wallpaper and focus a bit more wholly on the mountains as the symbol of Greece rather than the temple. We might need to swap Bob's photo out for an actual photo of Mount Olympus in this case though. Let me know if you have any thoughts, or even better mockups / adequately-licensed reference or source photos . Thanks ~m Hm... I'd say get rid of the trees or make them just complimentary part of the wallpaper, drop the focus away from mountains and instead have it on the temple. As it is now, it's cool and I would not want much of the elements to go away, but as Matthias said, the wallpaper is focusing on too many elements at once. Martin signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: new direction for the wallpaper
On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 09:30:58AM +0100, Martin Sourada wrote: On Sun, 2009-03-15 at 19:21 -0700, Máirín Duffy wrote: Based on some feedback we've gotten about the beta wallpaper, I have a couple of approaches to suggest for moving forward, let me know which you think is the better approach: 1) Islands - I saw the movie Mama Mia this weekend for the first time, and it's a movie based on a pretty Greek island. We did a survey a while back that indicated most people would prefer a landscape-based wallpaper, but maybe instead of going with mountains+temple wallpaper we could try a landscape based on the islands of Greece, e.g. maybe somewhat like this (higher res, and a bit cleaned up, no boat in the water and the land area here is a bit too busy, maybe replace it or clean it up): http://www.flickr.com/photos/johnkarakatsanis/3334225599/sizes/l/ (Santorini Island Greece, by John.Karakatsanis CC-BY-SA) 2) Mount Olympus - or instead we could take the temple out of the current wallpaper and focus a bit more wholly on the mountains as the symbol of Greece rather than the temple. We might need to swap Bob's photo out for an actual photo of Mount Olympus in this case though. Let me know if you have any thoughts, or even better mockups / adequately-licensed reference or source photos . Thanks ~m Hm... I'd say get rid of the trees or make them just complimentary part of the wallpaper, drop the focus away from mountains and instead have it on the temple. As it is now, it's cool and I would not want much of the elements to go away, but as Matthias said, the wallpaper is focusing on too many elements at once. That's not a bad idea if the desire is to reduce the number of elements and simplify the background. Maybe losing the birds would be something to consider too. All right, I'll put in a bit of critique here, noting that overall I like the theme and the care which was put into it. I confess, I am one of those people with a messy Desktop in the computer sense. (OK, you caught me, I have a messy desk in the real-life sense too. Oh, the shame!) So I tend to hit problems with icons and/or their labels clashing with backgrounds easily. But I wouldn't put myself out there as an average user, because I suspect many people keep an emptier Desktop than I do. I found that in my use case, the following elements tend to make it more difficult to discern text labels on icons: (1) birds, (2) the particular coloration and brightness of the sky, especially around the middle third of the picture. Interestingly, toward the bottom third of the picture, even though that is where some people complain about clutter, this problem goes away completely -- probably because the picture's quite darker there, so the white text of the icon labels shows up easier. To be fair, this could also indicate that I need more or better shadowing on icon text, so that it shows up well even on a medium-bright background area. That's not the Artwork team's problem AFAICT, but I don't know an easy way of adjusting it. -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug pgpgiIoxnGElS.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: new direction for the wallpaper
- Original Message From: Martin Sourada martin.sour...@gmail.com Hm... I'd say get rid of the trees or make them just complimentary part of the wallpaper, drop the focus away from mountains and instead have it on the temple. As it is now, it's cool and I would not want much of the elements to go away, but as Matthias said, the wallpaper is focusing on too many elements at once. This feedback is really useful. I'm a little disappointed that I didn't see any feedback like this on the list when the wallpaper was first posted over a week ago. (Did I simply miss it?) I am wondering what we should be doing in order to get this feedback in a more timely manner so we have more time to take it into account. Also, I just wanted to make it really clear that if anyone has the time to step in and help out with the wallpaper it would be very deeply appreciated. ~m ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: new direction for the wallpaper
sorry to bother ... but i'm a bit confused now ... what are the final key elements for the beckground now? P.S: i am willing to give a shot on helping with the design (if i have an idea about what we are aiming for). ~hish 2009/3/16 Máirín Duffy mai...@linuxgrrl.com - Original Message From: Martin Sourada martin.sour...@gmail.com Hm... I'd say get rid of the trees or make them just complimentary part of the wallpaper, drop the focus away from mountains and instead have it on the temple. As it is now, it's cool and I would not want much of the elements to go away, but as Matthias said, the wallpaper is focusing on too many elements at once. This feedback is really useful. I'm a little disappointed that I didn't see any feedback like this on the list when the wallpaper was first posted over a week ago. (Did I simply miss it?) I am wondering what we should be doing in order to get this feedback in a more timely manner so we have more time to take it into account. Also, I just wanted to make it really clear that if anyone has the time to step in and help out with the wallpaper it would be very deeply appreciated. ~m ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: new direction for the wallpaper
Hi Hish! what are the final key elements for the beckground now? P.S: i am willing to give a shot on helping with the design (if i have an idea about what we are aiming for). Great to hear from you! I'm not sure what the final elements should be. It does seem we have too many, though - my suggestion would be: - field - mountains - clouds Any other elements should be removed for the next iteration, and the mountains should probably be the center of attention / main focus, the fields and clouds playing a supporting role. What do you think? ~m ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: new direction for the wallpaper
hi mo ^_^ k .. got the idea .. will c wt i can do .. regards. ~hish 2009/3/16 Máirín Duffy mai...@linuxgrrl.com Hi Hish! what are the final key elements for the beckground now? P.S: i am willing to give a shot on helping with the design (if i have an idea about what we are aiming for). Great to hear from you! I'm not sure what the final elements should be. It does seem we have too many, though - my suggestion would be: - field - mountains - clouds Any other elements should be removed for the next iteration, and the mountains should probably be the center of attention / main focus, the fields and clouds playing a supporting role. What do you think? ~m ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list -- Eng. Hisham Isam M. Abdel-Magid Civil Infrastructures Engineer Dar Al-Handasah Consultants (Shair and Partners) P.O.Box: 40358 Mobile: +974 5042547 - +974 5543080 E.mail: hisham.abdelma...@dargroup.com Websites: www.dargroup.com - www.thepearlqatar.com Fedora Ambassador in Sudan and Qatar, E.mail: hi...@fedoraproject.org wiki: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Himam ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: new direction for the wallpaper
- Original Message From: Martin Sourada martin.sour...@gmail.com Blame Matthias -- if it were not for him pointing it out, I wouldn't probably come to this conclusion all by myself. His critique made me think about it and you've read the result :-D Okay great. So all I need to do is send unintentionally offensive funny emails to start a controversy, and suddenly the feedback will pour in. I'm not sure I'm going to be up for that again, though. :( ~m ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: new direction for the wallpaper
On Mon, 2009-03-16 at 11:25 -0700, Máirín Duffy wrote: - Original Message From: Martin Sourada martin.sour...@gmail.com Blame Matthias -- if it were not for him pointing it out, I wouldn't probably come to this conclusion all by myself. His critique made me think about it and you've read the result :-D Okay great. So all I need to do is send unintentionally offensive funny emails to start a controversy, and suddenly the feedback will pour in. I'm not sure I'm going to be up for that again, though. :( Not sure this was needed... But having it in release definitely helps a lot. Naturally, we cannot see everything ourselves, but the feedback from people outside of the Art Team can be the push (like with Matthias). I hope more mails will pour in after the Beta is released to public ;-) Come to think of it, it would be really great to have it in Alpha already, but seeing how we are always late with schedule (note that I'm also at fault here for not helping with the actual art)... But I think the new process of creating the art also contributed a bit to us not being exactly fastest this release... I'm sure next release will be better (unless we change the process again). Martin signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: new direction for the wallpaper
On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 08:38:44PM +0100, Martin Sourada wrote: On Mon, 2009-03-16 at 11:25 -0700, Máirín Duffy wrote: - Original Message From: Martin Sourada martin.sour...@gmail.com Blame Matthias -- if it were not for him pointing it out, I wouldn't probably come to this conclusion all by myself. His critique made me think about it and you've read the result :-D Okay great. So all I need to do is send unintentionally offensive funny emails to start a controversy, and suddenly the feedback will pour in. I'm not sure I'm going to be up for that again, though. :( Not sure this was needed... But having it in release definitely helps a lot. Naturally, we cannot see everything ourselves, but the feedback from people outside of the Art Team can be the push (like with Matthias). I hope more mails will pour in after the Beta is released to public ;-) Come to think of it, it would be really great to have it in Alpha already, but seeing how we are always late with schedule (note that I'm also at fault here for not helping with the actual art)... But I think the new process of creating the art also contributed a bit to us not being exactly fastest this release... I'm sure next release will be better (unless we change the process again). Actually, from what I could see release-over-release, this time around the Artwork team has done its best job ever of meeting a self-imposed schedule, including having a theme iterated during the early part of the cycle, producing promo Alpha and Beta banners for the web site, soliciting backgrounds, and getting one included in the Beta release. I think this team's doing a spectacular job. Nevertheless, more hands are good, and I encourage you to get involved as much as you can! -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug pgpTRQPZwXnYU.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: new direction for the wallpaper
Máirín Duffy wrote: Based on some feedback we've gotten about the beta wallpaper, I have a couple of approaches to suggest for moving forward, let me know which you think is the better approach: 1) Islands - I saw the movie Mama Mia this weekend for the first time, and it's a movie based on a pretty Greek island. We did a survey a while back that indicated most people would prefer a landscape-based wallpaper, but maybe instead of going with mountains+temple wallpaper we could try a landscape based on the islands of Greece, e.g. maybe somewhat like this (higher res, and a bit cleaned up, no boat in the water and the land area here is a bit too busy, maybe replace it or clean it up): http://www.flickr.com/photos/johnkarakatsanis/3334225599/sizes/l/ (Santorini Island Greece, by John.Karakatsanis CC-BY-SA) 2) Mount Olympus - or instead we could take the temple out of the current wallpaper and focus a bit more wholly on the mountains as the symbol of Greece rather than the temple. We might need to swap Bob's photo out for an actual photo of Mount Olympus in this case though. Let me know if you have any thoughts, or even better mockups / adequately-licensed reference or source photos . Thanks ~m ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list Hello all, newbie to fedora-art-list here. :) I don't currently have any time on my hands to contribute any mock-ups or artwork, unfortunately. In the meantime, I wanted to offer constructive criticism and ideas. Following the current thread, I think that the direction of going for a landscape/photo-realistic wallpaper is going to be prohibitively difficult. I foresee problems with the wallpaper clashing with desktop icons due to the amount of detail required by a landscape. It will also be difficult to reconcile this theme with the, likely, more benign overall Fedora theme/icons/details. I think Fedora 7's theme is as close as anyone could really get to a highly detailed, yet not obstructive, theme. To suggest (another) alternative direction, has anyone explored employing a more subtle reference to Greek culture? I think there should be a lot of resources to pull from in this line of thought - there are many patterns/themes that could be built upon from Greek culture, for example: http://images.google.com/images?gbv=2hl=ensafe=offq=greek+patternbtnG=Search+Images Using such patterns as a guideline, it could be possible for someone to come up with a more abstract-style wallpaper (a la Fedora 8) that, while not necessarily beating the user over the head with Greek culture, could still subtly carry the Leonidas/Greek reference/theme/inspiration. I have some ideas of what this might look like, but as I said, no time. :( Anyway, good luck in your efforts and I look forward to the finished product! I will try to offer criticism/opinions/ideas whenever possible. -- Justin Fuhrer ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: new direction for the wallpaper
2009/3/16 Máirín Duffy mai...@linuxgrrl.com: Okay great. So all I need to do is send unintentionally offensive funny emails to start a controversy, and suddenly the feedback will pour in. I'm not sure I'm going to be up for that again, though. That sounds like a job for me. -jef ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
new direction for the wallpaper
Based on some feedback we've gotten about the beta wallpaper, I have a couple of approaches to suggest for moving forward, let me know which you think is the better approach: 1) Islands - I saw the movie Mama Mia this weekend for the first time, and it's a movie based on a pretty Greek island. We did a survey a while back that indicated most people would prefer a landscape-based wallpaper, but maybe instead of going with mountains+temple wallpaper we could try a landscape based on the islands of Greece, e.g. maybe somewhat like this (higher res, and a bit cleaned up, no boat in the water and the land area here is a bit too busy, maybe replace it or clean it up): http://www.flickr.com/photos/johnkarakatsanis/3334225599/sizes/l/ (Santorini Island Greece, by John.Karakatsanis CC-BY-SA) 2) Mount Olympus - or instead we could take the temple out of the current wallpaper and focus a bit more wholly on the mountains as the symbol of Greece rather than the temple. We might need to swap Bob's photo out for an actual photo of Mount Olympus in this case though. Let me know if you have any thoughts, or even better mockups / adequately-licensed reference or source photos . Thanks ~m ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
