Re: Akonadi on f10 (again)
On Wednesday 11 March 2009, Kevin Kofler wrote: >Gene Heskett wrote: >> What do I need to do next? > >Well, it looks like Akonadi fails to connect to your MySQL server. Check >your server configuration. It might also be a firewall or SELinux issue. > >Kevin Kofler Selinux is set permissive, and is driving me to drink, I rebooted and a fixed fetchmail problem is back. No firewall. MySQL server is running on this box. Name the files and I'll post them but I believe all the passwords are correct. 11 copies of mysqld are running. Thanks Kevin. -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) All great ideas are controversial, or have been at one time. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Belkin ExpressCard
Frank Cox wrote: > The last time I checked (a few weeks ago) "N" wireless cards were not yet > supported under Linux. This is nonsense. Kevin Kofler -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: yum dependency problem--F10
On Tue, 10 Mar 2009 21:54:45 -0400, fred wrote: > On my F10 installation I've been getting this error now for a week or more: > > # yum update > Loaded plugins: priorities, refresh-packagekit ^^ ^^^ How did you enable that plugin? You may need to learn more about it. > fedora > | 2.8 kB 00:00 > > updates > | 2.3 kB 00:00 > > Excluding Packages in global exclude list > Finished > 3032 packages excluded due to repository priority protections ^^ ^^^ This looks suspicious. I hear about it regularly, but I still haven't spent time on looking into this plugin. Somebody may want to verify that it works correctly. > Setting up Update Process > Resolving Dependencies > --> Running transaction check > --> Processing Dependency: system-config-date for package: firstboot > ---> Package system-config-date-docs.noarch 0:1.0.5-1.fc10 set to be updated > --> Processing Dependency: system-config-date >= 1.9.35 for package: > system-config-date-docs > Error: Missing Dependency: system-config-date is needed by package > firstboot-1.102-1.fc10.i386 (installed > system-config-date 1.9.36-1.fc10 can be found in updates since early March. Update ticket and details here: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/F10/FEDORA-2009-1838 > I know such things sometimes happen when repos aren't fully synced, but Doubtful for a set of packages, which has been published via a single ticket in the Fedora Updates System. A mirror would either know about all updates from the set or none, i.e. it either carries fresh metadata or old metadata. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Akonadi on f10 (again)
Gene Heskett wrote: > What do I need to do next? Well, it looks like Akonadi fails to connect to your MySQL server. Check your server configuration. It might also be a firewall or SELinux issue. Kevin Kofler -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: skype audio problems
On Tue, 2009-03-10 at 21:38 -0300, Renato de Oliveira Diogo wrote: > Hi Dave > > I had a like problem, and after a long time my Skype works. Follow > below the link that I wrote: http://www.rdiogo.com.br/wordpress/?p=52 > > This is in portuguese, but may help you. > > []s > > Renato de Oliveira Diogo > > Bacharel em Ciência da Computação > UNESP - Bauru > > LPIC1 - Linux Professional Institute Certification - Nível 1 > > renato.di...@gmail.com > renato.di...@yahoo.com.br > > > On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 21:28, Dave Feustel > wrote: > I have Skype software installed and I have been trying to make > a test > call. audio output worked, but mike did not. So I did a yum > install: > yum install 'alsa-*'. Now neither audion output nor mike > works. > The test call reports an unspecified audio problem. > > What do I need to do to get skype test call to work? Sorry I lost Dave's reply to Renato's message but I believe he said he needed a page in English - if you go to this url: http://www.google.com/language_tools and paste in Renato's link, then select Portugese -> English, it will do the translation for you. hth, Fred -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
[X-post] #fedora-classroom, March 14, 0900 UTC/1430 IST
Greetings! I would like to conduct a #fedora-classroom session this Saturday, March 14, 2009 at 0900 UTC/1430 IST on "i-want-2-do-project. tell-me-wat-2-do". The slides are available at: http://www.shakthimaan.com/downloads/glv/presentations/i-want-2-do-project-tell-me-wat-2-do.pdf I have updated the same here: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Classroom#Upcoming_Classes_.28Tentative.29 Regards, SK -- Shakthi Kannan http://www.shakthimaan.com -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: removing autorun from a flash drive
On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 22:55:05 -0500, Bruno Wolff III wrote: > On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 17:47:04 -0400, > Todd Denniston wrote: > > Bruno Wolff III wrote, On 03/10/2009 05:34 PM: > >> > >> Repartitioning the raw device would probably work. You would then create > >> a filesystem on the partition. > >> > > > > No, if you repartition the device, you wipe out the ability for the U3 > > removal tool to work, but the fake CD remains IIRC. > > Maybe I am missing something. If you write over the blocks with the U3 > tool, how does it not get erased? > > Is this tool located somewhere of than the normal blocks on the device? I found some info, though it doesn't look like the full details are publicly known. The device shows itself as two devices and indicates different types for each so that one looks like mass storage and the other a cd drive. It is suspected that nonstandard scsi commands are required to write to the cd device. Some people have tricked one of the available tools into loading custom isos into the cd portion of the device. So it looks like you do need a special tool if you want to have the space initially reserved for the cd image released for use in the normal part. Probably theer is some secret scsi command to do this that wouldn't be too hard to find if someone were serious about figuring it out. Why anyone would want one of these devices is beyond me. It's a security nightmare for both the computer being used (due to autorun being enabled) and the usb device owner (due to not just running code from the device). If you own both, there is no reason to have that feature. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: removing autorun from a flash drive
On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 17:47:04 -0400, Todd Denniston wrote: > Bruno Wolff III wrote, On 03/10/2009 05:34 PM: >> >> Repartitioning the raw device would probably work. You would then create >> a filesystem on the partition. >> > > No, if you repartition the device, you wipe out the ability for the U3 > removal tool to work, but the fake CD remains IIRC. Maybe I am missing something. If you write over the blocks with the U3 tool, how does it not get erased? Is this tool located somewhere of than the normal blocks on the device? -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: yum dependency problem--F10
On Tue, 2009-03-10 at 21:54 -0400, fred smith wrote: > On my F10 installation I've been getting this error now for a week or more: > > # yum update > Loaded plugins: priorities, refresh-packagekit > fedora > | 2.8 kB 00:00 > > updates > | 2.3 kB 00:00 > > Excluding Packages in global exclude list > Finished > 3032 packages excluded due to repository priority protections > Setting up Update Process > Resolving Dependencies > --> Running transaction check > --> Processing Dependency: system-config-date for package: firstboot > ---> Package system-config-date-docs.noarch 0:1.0.5-1.fc10 set to be updated > --> Processing Dependency: system-config-date >= 1.9.35 for package: > system-config-date-docs > --> Finished Dependency Resolution > system-config-date-docs-1.0.5-1.fc10.noarch from updates has depsolving > problems > --> Missing Dependency: system-config-date >= 1.9.35 is needed by package > system-config-date-docs-1.0.5-1.fc10.noarch (updates) > firstboot-1.102-1.fc10.i386 from installed has depsolving problems > --> Missing Dependency: system-config-date is needed by package > firstboot-1.102-1.fc10.i386 (installed) > Error: Missing Dependency: system-config-date >= 1.9.35 is needed by package > system-config-date-docs-1.0.5-1.fc10.noarch (updates) > Error: Missing Dependency: system-config-date is needed by package > firstboot-1.102-1.fc10.i386 (installed > > I know such things sometimes happen when repos aren't fully synced, but > this has been going on for DAYS now, and no resolution. > > I DID have rpmfusion free and nonfree enabled, but I turned them off to > see if it simplified this any, and it doesn't. > > I had a similar issue with one of the xine packages from rpmfusion that has > gone on for a month or two, and I can't figure that one out either. > > Suggestions welcome, thanks! I would recommend that you enable the rpmfusion-free and rpmfusion-nonfree and the updates... # yum repolist Loaded plugins: refresh-packagekit repo idrepo name status adobe-linux-i386 Adobe Systems Incorporated enabled: 17 fedora Fedora 10 i386 enabled: 11,416 rpmfusion-free RPM Fusion for Fedora 10 - Free enabled:324 rpmfusion-free-updates RPM Fusion for Fedora 10 - Free - Updates enabled:572 rpmfusion-nonfree RPM Fusion for Fedora 10 - Nonfree enabled:142 rpmfusion-nonfree-updates RPM Fusion for Fedora 10 - Nonfree - Updates enabled:391 updatesFedora 10 - i386 - Updates enabled: 4,055 so your output looks similar to above, if not, perhaps you want to post the output of your 'yum repolist' command Then, I would suggest that you execute the command (has to be as root)... yum clean metadata yum update if these are problems, you might need to install yum-utils package and see what you get from command 'package-cleanup --orphans' (by all means post the output of these commands to the list for help) Craig -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: where to report out-of-date jigdo package references?
On 3/10/2009 7:01 PM, Robert P. J. Day wrote: > On Wed, 11 Mar 2009, Rahul Sundaram wrote: >> Robert P. J. Day wrote: >>> ah, so if i hit an out-of-date package reference, i need only edit >>> the downloaded jigdo file, bring it up to date, and restart jigdo? >> Correct. > that doesn't appear to work, as rerunning the "pyjigdo" command > restarts *everything*, including downloading the original jigdo file. > and i don't see a pyjigdo option that says "resume" or something like > that. am i just not seeing it? Another Hmmm... from me. I have not used "pyjigdo" but what I recommended worked with a straight jigdo. Jigdo-lite actually. Sorry. My bad. I did not know that they are that different. -- David -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
yum dependency problem--F10
On my F10 installation I've been getting this error now for a week or more: # yum update Loaded plugins: priorities, refresh-packagekit fedora | 2.8 kB 00:00 updates | 2.3 kB 00:00 Excluding Packages in global exclude list Finished 3032 packages excluded due to repository priority protections Setting up Update Process Resolving Dependencies --> Running transaction check --> Processing Dependency: system-config-date for package: firstboot ---> Package system-config-date-docs.noarch 0:1.0.5-1.fc10 set to be updated --> Processing Dependency: system-config-date >= 1.9.35 for package: system-config-date-docs --> Finished Dependency Resolution system-config-date-docs-1.0.5-1.fc10.noarch from updates has depsolving problems --> Missing Dependency: system-config-date >= 1.9.35 is needed by package system-config-date-docs-1.0.5-1.fc10.noarch (updates) firstboot-1.102-1.fc10.i386 from installed has depsolving problems --> Missing Dependency: system-config-date is needed by package firstboot-1.102-1.fc10.i386 (installed) Error: Missing Dependency: system-config-date >= 1.9.35 is needed by package system-config-date-docs-1.0.5-1.fc10.noarch (updates) Error: Missing Dependency: system-config-date is needed by package firstboot-1.102-1.fc10.i386 (installed I know such things sometimes happen when repos aren't fully synced, but this has been going on for DAYS now, and no resolution. I DID have rpmfusion free and nonfree enabled, but I turned them off to see if it simplified this any, and it doesn't. I had a similar issue with one of the xine packages from rpmfusion that has gone on for a month or two, and I can't figure that one out either. Suggestions welcome, thanks! -- Fred Smith -- fre...@fcshome.stoneham.ma.us - The eyes of the Lord are everywhere, keeping watch on the wicked and the good. - Proverbs 15:3 (niv) - pgpEJkwzWcvqH.pgp Description: PGP signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: where to report out-of-date jigdo package references?
On 03/10/2009 07:01 PM, Robert P. J. Day wrote: >> Correct. > that doesn't appear to work, as rerunning the "pyjigdo" command > restarts *everything*, including downloading the original jigdo file. > and i don't see a pyjigdo option that says "resume" or something like > that. am i just not seeing it? May I suggest that you dont use jigdo - just use mock/pungi - you wont have this problem and will get a build with all the updates as of today. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: skype audio problems
Thanks for the attempt to help, but I am using Skype on a desktop. I think I need help in English. On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 09:38:34PM -0300, Renato de Oliveira Diogo wrote: > Hi Dave > > I had a like problem, and after a long time my Skype works. Follow below the > link that I wrote: http://www.rdiogo.com.br/wordpress/?p=52 > > This is in portuguese, but may help you. > > []s > > Renato de Oliveira Diogo > > Bacharel em Ciência da Computação > UNESP - Bauru > > LPIC1 - Linux Professional Institute Certification - Nível 1 > > renato.di...@gmail.com > renato.di...@yahoo.com.br > > > On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 21:28, Dave Feustel wrote: > > > I have Skype software installed and I have been trying to make a test > > call. audio output worked, but mike did not. So I did a yum install: > > yum install 'alsa-*'. Now neither audion output nor mike works. > > The test call reports an unspecified audio problem. > > > > What do I need to do to get skype test call to work? > > > > Thanks. > > > > -- > > fedora-list mailing list > > fedora-list@redhat.com > > To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list > > Guidelines: > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines > > -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: getting the F10 respin with "jigdo" -- the short version
On 03/10/2009 07:55 AM, Frank Murphy (Frankly3D) wrote: > Robert P. J. Day wrote: I have found it a lot faster and easier to build a respin using mock/pungi. And you can do it anytime. What does injecting jigdo[-lite] make better ? -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Laptop black screen after wake up from suspend
On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 6:05 PM, Roger Grosswiler wrote: > I have a dell latitude, which does not wake up properly after > suspend-to-ram. > > Hibernate is working fine. > > But using suspend, the screen just stays black and i need to reboot. > In fact, it is a DELL (just to please...) Latitude C540 using a ATI > Radeon Mobility 7500 (yeees, and compiz isnt working on it > either ;)) > > something else i can try? I had a similar issue on an old 12" IBM X24 laptop where /sbin/lspci reports "ATI Technologies Inc Radeon Mobility M6 LY" which according to www.thinkwiki.org is equivalent to ATI Mobility Radeon 7000 (ie one of the first "Radeon"). Perhaps this is similar to your model 7500, I have no idea so you would need to check this. On Fedora 9 with /etc/X11/xorg.conf specifying the default Driver "radeon" this machine would hang on resume from both suspend and hibernate. In /etc/X11/xorg.conf I changed this to the generic Driver "vesa" and both suspend and hibernate now work. I assume this might not give maximum display performance but it got this machine useble for me. Hope this helps David -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: skype audio problems
Hi Dave I had a like problem, and after a long time my Skype works. Follow below the link that I wrote: http://www.rdiogo.com.br/wordpress/?p=52 This is in portuguese, but may help you. []s Renato de Oliveira Diogo Bacharel em Ciência da Computação UNESP - Bauru LPIC1 - Linux Professional Institute Certification - Nível 1 renato.di...@gmail.com renato.di...@yahoo.com.br On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 21:28, Dave Feustel wrote: > I have Skype software installed and I have been trying to make a test > call. audio output worked, but mike did not. So I did a yum install: > yum install 'alsa-*'. Now neither audion output nor mike works. > The test call reports an unspecified audio problem. > > What do I need to do to get skype test call to work? > > Thanks. > > -- > fedora-list mailing list > fedora-list@redhat.com > To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list > Guidelines: > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines > -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
intermittent network problems
I have his one box that experiences connection losses from time to time, generally for less than a minute to several). I'm convinced it's not a software issue as it's just happened with F10 or the first time since upgrading. I've swapped cables several times (each time, the cable works fine on other machines) and, though temporarily unplugging the cat5 sometimes gets it to come back up, this doesn't always work (I'm guessing coincidence). Anyway, it just happened again, though this time as it was booting up. It got as far as the white "Fedora" and hung. I hit the down arrow to see that it was hung at starting the firewall. I hit another key (don't know which) and saw what looked like a stack trace and a mention that the network had timed out (pasted below). After some minutes, it continued on its way. I figure at this point that it's a bad network card, though I'm really unsure. I think it's obviously not Fedora issue, at any rate. I don't know a whole lot about debugging this sort of thing so I'm hoping someone might have some pointers on how to do so. Is there any way to debug a flaky network card? Should I even bother (ie. just replace it)? This is what I found in the log: [] warn_slowpath+0x69/0x89 [] ? _spin_unlock_irqrestore+0x22/0x38 [] ? __mod_timer+0x9d/0xa8 [] ? virt_to_head_page+0x22/0x2e [] ? queue_flag_clear+0x18/0x54 [] ? __freed_request+0x6b/0x72 [] ? blk_remove_plug+0x66/0x92 [] ? elv_queue_empty+0x20/0x22 [] ? blk_run_queue+0x28/0x2c [] ? scsi_run_queue+0x250/0x27c [] ? kobject_put+0x37/0x3c [] ? strlcpy+0x17/0x49 [] dev_watchdog+0xda/0x12d [] ? scsi_io_completion+0x19c/0x366 [] run_timer_softirq+0x14b/0x1bb [] ? dev_watchdog+0x0/0x12d [] ? dev_watchdog+0x0/0x12d [] __do_softirq+0x84/0x109 [] ? __do_softirq+0x0/0x109 [] do_softirq+0x77/0xdb [] irq_exit+0x44/0x83 [] smp_apic_timer_interrupt+0x6e/0x7c [] apic_timer_interrupt+0x2d/0x34 [] ? native_safe_halt+0x5/0x7 [] default_idle+0x38/0x6a [] cpu_idle+0x101/0x134 [] rest_init+0x4e/0x50 === ---[ end trace a25984b66b23281f ]--- eth0: Transmit timeout, status 0004 0040 eth0: Media Link On 100mbps half-duplex Obviously, the network was out for a bit. But, does the stuff above "end trace" have anything to do with it? It doesn't seem to be (it refers to scsi, among other things) but I'm including it here anyway because, either way, I've no idea if it's good or bad ;-) -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
skype audio problems
I have Skype software installed and I have been trying to make a test call. audio output worked, but mike did not. So I did a yum install: yum install 'alsa-*'. Now neither audion output nor mike works. The test call reports an unspecified audio problem. What do I need to do to get skype test call to work? Thanks. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Belkin ExpressCard
On Tue, 2009-03-10 at 18:05 -0600, Frank Cox wrote: > On Tue, 10 Mar 2009 18:02:21 +0100 > Alex Makhlin wrote: > > > I am running Fedora 10 KDE 2 and am trying to install an N Wireless > > ExpressCard PCIMCIA adapter (M:F5D8073) but I cannot find a driver > > anywhere. Any one have a clue? > > The last time I checked (a few weeks ago) "N" wireless cards were not yet > supported under Linux. > > -- > MELVILLE THEATRE ~ Melville Sask ~ http://www.melvilletheatre.com > Just a suggestion: You could, if you have the Windows drivers, set up ndiswrapper. -- Mark C. Allman, PMP -- Allman Professional Consulting, Inc. -- www.allmanpc.com, 617-947-4263 Consulting IT Project/Program Management: on-time, on-budget signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: which akmod for nvidia GeForce 7800 GTX
François Patte wrote: > Bonsoir, > > According to: > http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/177.82/README/appendix-a.html If you check... http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/180.29/README/appendix-a.html you'll see your GPU listed there as well. On one system here I have a GeForce 7300 GT and I run this driver (directly from nVidia) and it runs like a charm. > > it seems that the correct driver is 177.82 series. But I can't find it > in rpmfusion repositories: > > There are only: > > akmod-nvidia.i686 180.29-1.fc10 > akmod-nvidia-173xx.i686 173.14.16-1.fc10 > akmod-nvidia-96xx.i586 96.43.11-1.fc10.1 > akmod-nvidia-96xx.i686 96.43.11-1.fc10.1 > akmod-nvidia-beta.i686 > > Or I maybe misunderstood the number 177.82 > > Thanks for lights. > Things are more like they are today than they ever were before. -- Dwight Eisenhower -- Things are more like they are today than they ever were before. -- Dwight Eisenhower mei-mei.gres...@greshko.com http://tw.youtube.com/watch?v=cCSz_koUhSg signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Belkin ExpressCard
On Tue, 10 Mar 2009 18:02:21 +0100 Alex Makhlin wrote: > I am running Fedora 10 KDE 2 and am trying to install an N Wireless > ExpressCard PCIMCIA adapter (M:F5D8073) but I cannot find a driver > anywhere. Any one have a clue? The last time I checked (a few weeks ago) "N" wireless cards were not yet supported under Linux. -- MELVILLE THEATRE ~ Melville Sask ~ http://www.melvilletheatre.com -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
hplip problem with a printer not specified by the original poster
On Tue, 10 Mar 2009 16:45:13 + (GMT) Patrick Dupre wrote: > What do you thing of this problem (fedora 10): I think you could have found a better subject line than "scratch". However: > error: The printer you are trying to setup requires a binary driver > plug-in and it failed to install. Please check you internet connection > and try again. Visit http://hplipopensource.com for more infomation. That's the problem. So... what printer are you trying to install? It's impossible to know what to tell you until you provide some more information. -- MELVILLE THEATRE ~ Melville Sask ~ http://www.melvilletheatre.com -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Belkin ExpressCard
Hi all, I am running Fedora 10 KDE 2 and am trying to install an N Wireless ExpressCard PCIMCIA adapter (M:F5D8073) but I cannot find a driver anywhere. Any one have a clue? Thanks, -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: fedora on asus M70VN-X1?
Robin Laing wrote: > Nvidia has caused some problems but in all the years has worked close to > 90% of the time. Freshrpms support is great. I just wish akmod would > work as advertised on my systems. FYI, FreshRPMs merged into RPM Fusion, there are no graphics drivers in FreshRPMs anymore. Kevin Kofler -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: pidgin problem after installing the most recent f10 updates
Joachim Backes wrote: > No. I have no problem with installation software by source, and I think > this is a recommended way if a binary package is not available! Yes, but in this case it is (it just got pushed to updates-testing). > Why not install open source software by source (I must repeat myself). Because you cannot uninstall or even upgrade it without leaving old files scattered around your file system. Package management tracks the files packages install. Kevin Kofler -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: fedora on asus M70VN-X1?
Tim wrote: > Yeah, right... (with heavy sarcasm). Buy a laptop that you know has an > unsupported chipset in the hope that it may be useable two or three > years in the future. Don't be completely stupid. What chipset was that and when? Chances are it was actually *already* working in the current Fedora (even if the documentation you read was outdated) or at least would have been working in the next Fedora less than 6 months later. Kevin Kofler -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
which akmod for nvidia GeForce 7800 GTX
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Bonsoir, According to: http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/177.82/README/appendix-a.html it seems that the correct driver is 177.82 series. But I can't find it in rpmfusion repositories: There are only: akmod-nvidia.i686 180.29-1.fc10 akmod-nvidia-173xx.i686 173.14.16-1.fc10 akmod-nvidia-96xx.i586 96.43.11-1.fc10.1 akmod-nvidia-96xx.i686 96.43.11-1.fc10.1 akmod-nvidia-beta.i686 Or I maybe misunderstood the number 177.82 Thanks for lights. - -- François Patte UFR de mathématiques et informatique Université Paris Descartes 45, rue des Saints Pères F-75270 Paris Cedex 06 Tél. +33 (0)1 4286 2413 http://www.math-info.univ-paris5.fr/~patte -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkm29KsACgkQdE6C2dhV2JUyTQCfZPf7zBQyySN4CD02Wo5xr0/0 n4AAn15s71lr6Xoqlt7GTzHuudZAnalp =QSFc -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: F10 updates breaking things
Michael Schwendt wrote: > Uh, please, ... calling something "mindless" is nothing else than an > attempt at wiping off the criticism. I'm not talking about making it > impossible to skip updates-testing. That isn't what I meant. I was actually saying that mindless enforcement is bad, but intelligent enforcement could actually be helpful if it works (i.e. doesn't block things legitimately pushed straight to stable). Kevin Kofler -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: where to report out-of-date jigdo package references?
On Wed, 11 Mar 2009, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Robert P. J. Day wrote: > > > > > ah, so if i hit an out-of-date package reference, i need only edit > > the downloaded jigdo file, bring it up to date, and restart jigdo? > > Correct. that doesn't appear to work, as rerunning the "pyjigdo" command restarts *everything*, including downloading the original jigdo file. and i don't see a pyjigdo option that says "resume" or something like that. am i just not seeing it? rday -- Robert P. J. Day Linux Consulting, Training and Annoying Kernel Pedantry: Have classroom, will lecture. http://crashcourse.ca Waterloo, Ontario, CANADA -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Yum update fails because of NetworkManager
> "Bill" == Bill Crawford writes: Bill> On Tuesday 10 March 2009 16:28:14 Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: Bill> ... >> I tried importing the key by hand (from pgp.mit.edu), which has >> always worked for me before, but rpm said "import failed" for >> some reason. Bill> It should be in Bill> /etc/pki/rpm-gpg/RPM-GPG-KEY-fedora-10-primary ... How can we tell if it is or not? Not by reading the file. -- Colin Adams Preston Lancashire -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: where to report out-of-date jigdo package references?
Robert P. J. Day wrote: ah, so if i hit an out-of-date package reference, i need only edit the downloaded jigdo file, bring it up to date, and restart jigdo? Correct. Rahul -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: where to report out-of-date jigdo package references?
On Tue, 10 Mar 2009, David wrote: > On 3/10/2009 3:40 PM, Robert P. J. Day wrote: > > ... > > [9/2303] Trying to download > > http://mirror.cc.vt.edu/pub/fedora/linux/updates/10/i386//xorg-x11-drv-vmmouse-12.6.3-1.fc10.i386.rpm: > > --> > > /home/rpjday/j2/cache/xorg-x11-drv-vmmouse-12.6.3-1.fc10.i386.rpm > > [9/2303] Trying to download > > http://mirrors.reflected.net/fedora/linux/updates/10/i386//xorg-x11-drv-vmmouse-12.6.3-1.fc10.i386.rpm: > > --> > > /home/rpjday/j2/cache/xorg-x11-drv-vmmouse-12.6.3-1.fc10.i386.rpm > > [9/2303] Trying to download > > http://mirror.lib.ucdavis.edu/fedora/linux/updates/10/i386//xorg-x11-drv-vmmouse-12.6.3-1.fc10.i386.rpm: > > --> > > /home/rpjday/j2/cache/xorg-x11-drv-vmmouse-12.6.3-1.fc10.i386.rpm > > [9/2303] Trying to download > > http://mirror.its.uidaho.edu/pub/fedora/linux/updates/10/i386//xorg-x11-drv-vmmouse-12.6.3-1.fc10.i386.rpm: > > --> > > /home/rpjday/j2/cache/xorg-x11-drv-vmmouse-12.6.3-1.fc10.i386.rpm > > [9/2303] Trying to download > > http://astromirror.uchicago.edu/fedora/linux/updates/10/i386//xorg-x11-drv-vmmouse-12.6.3-1.fc10.i386.rpm: > > --> > > /home/rpjday/j2/cache/xorg-x11-drv-vmmouse-12.6.3-1.fc10.i386.rpm > > xorg-x11-drv-vmmouse-12.6.3-1.fc10.i386.rpm > > |0 B 00:00 > > [9/2303] Trying to download > > http://jigdo.fedoraunity.org/data/20090210/xorg-x11-drv-vmmouse-12.6.3-1.fc10.i386.rpm: > > --> > > /home/rpjday/j2/cache/xorg-x11-drv-vmmouse-12.6.3-1.fc10.i386.rpm > > [9/2303] Trying to download > > http://download.fedoraproject.org/pub/fedora/linux/updates/10/i386/xorg-x11-drv-vmmouse-12.6.3-1.fc10.i386.rpm: > > --> > > /home/rpjday/j2/cache/xorg-x11-drv-vmmouse-12.6.3-1.fc10.i386.rpm > > [9/2303] > > /home/rpjday/j2/cache/xorg-x11-drv-vmmouse-12.6.3-1.fc10.i386.rpm is > > incomplete, removing. > > [9/2303] Trying to download > > http://www.muug.mb.ca/pub/fedora/linux/updates/10/i386//xorg-x11-drv-vmmouse-12.6.3-1.fc10.i386.rpm: > > --> > > /home/rpjday/j2/cache/xorg-x11-drv-vmmouse-12.6.3-1.fc10.i386.rpm > > ... etc etc ... > > > > that's because that package is now version 12.6.3-3, not 12.6.3-1, > > at the mirrors i checked. in short, the jigdo template needs to be > > updated. is this a fedoraunity.org issue? > > > Yes and no. The jigdo file was correct way back when it was created. > > And if you edit the jigdo list it will work. Hmmm... Has for me in the > past anyway. :-) ah, so if i hit an out-of-date package reference, i need only edit the downloaded jigdo file, bring it up to date, and restart jigdo? rday -- Robert P. J. Day Linux Consulting, Training and Annoying Kernel Pedantry: Have classroom, will lecture. http://crashcourse.ca Waterloo, Ontario, CANADA -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Looking for input on yum metadata_expire option
On Wed, 2009-03-11 at 04:02 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > > On Wed, 2009-03-11 at 02:59 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > >> Hi > >> > >> For those who didn't know, metadata_expire value in yum.conf can control > >> how much time yum will rely on the existing metadata before trying to > >> refresh it. f you want the behaviour to be similar to apt, then you can > >> set it to never as well. The default value is 6 hours now. > >> > >> I had a recent discussion with Seth Vidal, the primary developer of yum > >> about increasing it to a day instead of 6 hours. We are now looking for > >> input from you, the Fedora users on what value would be appropriate. If > >> you have fiddled around with this setting, let me know what you think. > >> If you haven't try it out and I would appreciate your feedback as well. > > > > I set it to 1800 i.e. 30 minutes. I do that because I prefer to run yum > > myself rather than use the various PackageConf daemons. > > I am not sure what you mean by PackgeConf daemons. Perhaps I should have said "the annoying applets that pester me about updates" :-) > This setting only > controls how often the metadata is refreshed when you run yum directly. That's sort of what I meant to get at. When I run yum I prefer it to check out the latest repo information. I leave it at 30 minutes rather than 0 because occasionally one has to run yum more than once in a short period of time. poc -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: setting X server DPI
Ideally, the X server has the correct DPIs and the application is written to use them. The application can discover the number of pixels in a 12pt font and enlarge or not depending on the answer and the purpose. Given that many applications don't do that, lying about the DPIs is a perfectly sensible thing to do. That isn't good for applications that would otherwise do the right thing. There probably isn't a good answer for letting existing applications coexist. Perhaps new applications could look for resources like REAL_DPIX and REAL_DPIY. If they are there and represent numbers, they would be used instead of the lies told the X server. -- Michael henne...@web.cs.ndsu.nodak.edu "Pessimist: The glass is half empty. Optimist: The glass is half full. Engineer: The glass is twice as big as it needs to be." -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Yum update fails to initialize (no download)
Wrong list. Sorry! On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 04:11:50PM -0400, Dave Feustel wrote: > Suse box lost power after UPS shutdown. Now yast locks up > trying to download files at initialization. How to fix? > > Thanks. > > -- > fedora-list mailing list > fedora-list@redhat.com > To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list > Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: NM key hassle
On Tue, 2009-03-10 at 21:27 +, Beartooth wrote: > On Tue, 10 Mar 2009 14:52:04 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > > > On Tue, 2009-03-10 at 18:17 +, Beartooth wrote: > > > Working fine now -- but I have a Very Dumb Yum Question : why is > >> it that the "all" in "yum clean all" does not include metadata? > > > > It does, according to the man page. If it doesn't you should report it. > > Well, you tell me : the instruction said : > > do > yum clean metadata > yum -y update > > and I departed from that in two ways. I did "yum clean all" followed by > plain "yum update" without the -y. > > It failed on all machines. > > I went back and did "yum clean metadata" as instructed. > > Then either plain "yum update" (on machines where I had already > either removed NM or used the exclude formula), or things like "yum > install krb5-auth-dialog" and "yum install NetworkManager-gnome" > succeeded, whereupon "yum update" again either got something and > succeeded, or else reported it had nothing to do. > > Is that close enoough to copy into a bug report, or was it some > fault of mine? Probably the latter :-) Seriously, there are too many variables in what you describe to be sure of what happened, including the time factor (since the repos change, and in fact the NM update was pushed impressively fast). AFAIK the metadata for package is kept in /var/cache/yum/, not counting .../packages which contains the rpms themselves. You could look there before and after running "yum clean all" to see what changes. poc -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Looking for input on yum metadata_expire option
Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Wed, 2009-03-11 at 02:59 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: Hi For those who didn't know, metadata_expire value in yum.conf can control how much time yum will rely on the existing metadata before trying to refresh it. f you want the behaviour to be similar to apt, then you can set it to never as well. The default value is 6 hours now. I had a recent discussion with Seth Vidal, the primary developer of yum about increasing it to a day instead of 6 hours. We are now looking for input from you, the Fedora users on what value would be appropriate. If you have fiddled around with this setting, let me know what you think. If you haven't try it out and I would appreciate your feedback as well. I set it to 1800 i.e. 30 minutes. I do that because I prefer to run yum myself rather than use the various PackageConf daemons. I am not sure what you mean by PackgeConf daemons. This setting only controls how often the metadata is refreshed when you run yum directly. Rahul -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Disk Errors during boot and run time.
On Tue, 2009-03-10 at 14:57 -0700, Konstantin Svist wrote: > Bump for this thread. I'd very much like to know the answer, too. You didn't need to quote all 1142 lines of context to say "me too". poc -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Virtual Memory gone mad
2009/3/10 Jonathan Ryshpan : > Investigating why my computer had suddenly become very s.l.o.w, I > noticed that virtual memory usage had become very large. Following is > an extract from a "$ ps axuw" for the system sorted according to VM > usage, the top 20 processes in VM usage. Does anyone know why evolution > + evolution evolution-data-server use not quite 2 GBytes? Or why the > ordinary applets use together 1.4 GBytes? Or why sealert uses about 0.5 > GBytes? Or anything else on this list? > > PID %CPU %MEM VSZ RSS TTY STAT START TIME COMMAND > 2656 1.2 5.2 1668576 53708 ? Sl 12:20 1:26 evolution > 2662 0.0 0.2 444628 2680 ? S 12:20 0:00 /usr/bin/python -E > /usr/bin/sealert -s You can't add up the VSZ sizes of processes and arrive at a simple sum, because you don't have enough information. Program 1 links to library A and uses shared memory B => VSZ1 = SizeOf(1) + SizeOf(A) + SizeOf(B) Program 2 also links to library A and uses shared memory B => VSZ2 = SizeOf(2) + SizeOf(A) + SizeOf(B) So you'd think that the total memory in use would be VSZ1+VSZ2, but each library is only in memory once so in actual fact it's only VSZ1+SizeOf(2). To look at it another way, say you have 1000 processes running using 1kb, each linking in a different library of 1kb. The VSZ of each of them would only be 2kb. You then have an additional process using 1kb running, that links in *all* of the 1000 libraries already in memory. It's VSZ would be 1001kb, even though it's actually only using 1kb more of memory. But yes, Evolution is a memory hog ;o) -- Sam -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Looking for input on yum metadata_expire option
On Wed, 2009-03-11 at 02:59 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Hi > > For those who didn't know, metadata_expire value in yum.conf can control > how much time yum will rely on the existing metadata before trying to > refresh it. f you want the behaviour to be similar to apt, then you can > set it to never as well. The default value is 6 hours now. > > I had a recent discussion with Seth Vidal, the primary developer of yum > about increasing it to a day instead of 6 hours. We are now looking for > input from you, the Fedora users on what value would be appropriate. If > you have fiddled around with this setting, let me know what you think. > If you haven't try it out and I would appreciate your feedback as well. I set it to 1800 i.e. 30 minutes. I do that because I prefer to run yum myself rather than use the various PackageConf daemons. poc -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: tcpdmatch, tcpdchk
On Tue, 2009-03-10 at 21:55 +, Sharpe, Sam J wrote: > 2009/3/10 MJang : > > Folks, > > > > I used to have the tcpdmatch and tcpdchk commands to check TCP wrappers > > configurations. Can't find them any more on Red Hat or Fedora. They > > still seem to be there on Ubuntu. > > > > Am I just missing a package, or have these commands been replaced? > > Gone, (8 years ago according to this post) by Jude DaShiell: > http://linux.derkeiler.com/Mailing-Lists/Fedora/2005-06/0411.html > > "tcpdchk and tcpdmatch mystery solved Back in October 2000 both of those > utilities were removed from the RedHat version of tcp_wrappers-7.6 because > those expected to find /etc/inetd.conf and while you can find that on > other flavors of Linux it's not one of Fedora's issued files. Now this is > making some sense." Ahhh, that's why said commands are still found on Ubuntu systems. Is there a similar command for xinetd? Thanks, Mike -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Label Program reccomendations ??
Tim wrote, On 03/10/2009 12:50 PM: It all became too much of a pain... I could, about 80% of the time, get labels to go through one of my old inkjets, before it died. But, it didn't always print in the same place (vertical-wise). And, thanks to programming idiots who play silly games with DPI, it was impossible to print where I wanted. i.e. On my much older computer and printer, if I said a box started 12 cm down, and 5 cm across, was 3 cm high and 5 cm wide, then it printed exactly as I specified. On the newer gear, where it threw away standards, and turned them into arbitrary unspecified figures, I had to waste paper doing test prints and making tiny unpredictable adjustments, to get things to print right. I really hate pinheads who stuff things up until it *seems* to work for them, without understanding what they're doing. It stuffs things up for everyone *else* in an unmanageable way. Are you speaking of gimp/gutenprint? IIRC after I had a few discussions with Robert about why my postscript circles were coming out as ellipses, he included an option in the new gutenprints so that you could turn off the 'shrink to fit'. It might be better for you now, if you go toggle that option in CUPS. -- Todd Denniston Crane Division, Naval Surface Warfare Center (NSWC Crane) Harnessing the Power of Technology for the Warfighter -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Disk Errors during boot and run time.
Paul Ward wrote: > Hi, > > I have been asked to look at a server that has some disk issues. > > If I try and do a ls /boot I get the following: > # ls /boot > ls: reading directory /boot: Input/output error > > I have been told that the disks use multipath but I have no experience > of this to date. > I know the disks are on a SAN but as yet have not been able to locate > them using the IBM SAN manager. > > Can someone help me unravel what I can do to get this server healthy again. > > > This is the dmesg file during the boot up > > > Linux version 2.6.18-53.1.21.el5PAE > (brewbuil...@ls20-bc2-13.build.redhat.com) (gcc version 4.1.2 20070626 > (Red Hat 4.1.2-14)) #1 SMP Wed May 7 08:56:33 EDT 2008 > BIOS-provided physical RAM map: > BIOS-e820: - 0009d800 (usable) > BIOS-e820: 0009d800 - 000a (reserved) > BIOS-e820: 000e - 0010 (reserved) > BIOS-e820: 0010 - cffbce40 (usable) > BIOS-e820: cffbce40 - cffd (ACPI data) > BIOS-e820: cffd - d000 (reserved) > BIOS-e820: e000 - f000 (reserved) > BIOS-e820: fec0 - 0001 (reserved) > BIOS-e820: 0001 - 00013000 (usable) > 3968MB HIGHMEM available. > 896MB LOWMEM available. > found SMP MP-table at 0009d940 > Using x86 segment limits to approximate NX protection > On node 0 totalpages: 1245184 > DMA zone: 4096 pages, LIFO batch:0 > Normal zone: 225280 pages, LIFO batch:31 > HighMem zone: 1015808 pages, LIFO batch:31 > DMI 2.4 present. > Using APIC driver default > ACPI: RSDP (v002 IBM ) @ 0x000fdfd0 > ACPI: XSDT (v001 IBMSERBLADE 0x1001 IBM 0x45444f43) @ 0xcffcff00 > ACPI: FADT (v002 IBMSERBLADE 0x1001 IBM 0x45444f43) @ 0xcffcfe40 > ACPI: MADT (v001 IBMSERBLADE 0x1001 IBM 0x45444f43) @ 0xcffcfdc0 > ACPI: MCFG (v001 IBMSERBLADE 0x1001 IBM 0x45444f43) @ 0xcffcfd80 > ACPI: DSDT (v002 IBMSERBLADE 0x1000 INTL 0x20060707) @ 0x > ACPI: PM-Timer IO Port: 0x588 > ACPI: Local APIC address 0xfee0 > ACPI: LAPIC (acpi_id[0x00] lapic_id[0x00] enabled) > Processor #0 6:15 APIC version 20 > ACPI: LAPIC (acpi_id[0x01] lapic_id[0x01] enabled) > Processor #1 6:15 APIC version 20 > ACPI: LAPIC_NMI (acpi_id[0x00] dfl dfl lint[0x1]) > ACPI: LAPIC_NMI (acpi_id[0x01] dfl dfl lint[0x1]) > ACPI: IOAPIC (id[0x0e] address[0xfec0] gsi_base[0]) > IOAPIC[0]: apic_id 14, version 32, address 0xfec0, GSI 0-23 > ACPI: IOAPIC (id[0x0d] address[0xfec8] gsi_base[24]) > IOAPIC[1]: apic_id 13, version 32, address 0xfec8, GSI 24-47 > ACPI: INT_SRC_OVR (bus 0 bus_irq 0 global_irq 2 dfl dfl) > ACPI: INT_SRC_OVR (bus 0 bus_irq 9 global_irq 9 high level) > ACPI: IRQ0 used by override. > ACPI: IRQ2 used by override. > ACPI: IRQ9 used by override. > Enabling APIC mode: Flat. Using 2 I/O APICs > Using ACPI (MADT) for SMP configuration information > Allocating PCI resources starting at d100 (gap: d000:1000) > Detected 3000.364 MHz processor. > Built 1 zonelists. Total pages: 1245184 > Kernel command line: ro root=/dev/VolGroup00/LogVol00 rhgb quiet > crashkernel=1...@16m > mapped APIC to d000 (fee0) > mapped IOAPIC to c000 (fec0) > mapped IOAPIC to b000 (fec8) > Enabling fast FPU save and restore... done. > Enabling unmasked SIMD FPU exception support... done. > Initializing CPU#0 > CPU 0 irqstacks, hard=c074 soft=c072 > PID hash table entries: 4096 (order: 12, 16384 bytes) > Console: colour VGA+ 80x25 > Dentry cache hash table entries: 131072 (order: 7, 524288 bytes) > Inode-cache hash table entries: 65536 (order: 6, 262144 bytes) > Memory: 4014432k/4980736k available (2078k kernel code, 178348k > reserved, 859k data, 220k init, 3276528k highmem) > Checking if this processor honours the WP bit even in supervisor mode... Ok. > Calibrating delay using timer specific routine.. 6002.55 BogoMIPS > (lpj=3001278) > Security Framework v1.0.0 initialized > SELinux: Initializing. > SELinux: Starting in permissive mode > selinux_register_security: Registering secondary module capability > Capability LSM initialized as secondary > Mount-cache hash table entries: 512 > CPU: After generic identify, caps: bfebfbff 2000 > 0004e3bd 0001 > CPU: After vendor identify, caps: bfebfbff 2000 > 0004e3bd 0001 > monitor/mwait feature present. > using mwait in idle threads. > CPU: L1 I cache: 32K, L1 D cache: 32K > CPU: L2 cache: 4096K > CPU: Physical Processor ID: 0 > CPU: Processor Core ID: 0 > CPU: After all inits, caps: bfebf3ff 2000 0940 > 0004e3bd 0001 > Intel machine check architecture supported. > Intel machine check reporting enabled on CPU#0. > Checking 'hlt' instruction... OK. > SMP alternatives: switching to UP code > ACPI: Core revision 20060707 > CPU0: Intel(R) Xeon
Re: where to report out-of-date jigdo package references?
On 3/10/2009 3:40 PM, Robert P. J. Day wrote: > ... > [9/2303] Trying to download > http://mirror.cc.vt.edu/pub/fedora/linux/updates/10/i386//xorg-x11-drv-vmmouse-12.6.3-1.fc10.i386.rpm: >--> > /home/rpjday/j2/cache/xorg-x11-drv-vmmouse-12.6.3-1.fc10.i386.rpm > [9/2303] Trying to download > http://mirrors.reflected.net/fedora/linux/updates/10/i386//xorg-x11-drv-vmmouse-12.6.3-1.fc10.i386.rpm: >--> > /home/rpjday/j2/cache/xorg-x11-drv-vmmouse-12.6.3-1.fc10.i386.rpm > [9/2303] Trying to download > http://mirror.lib.ucdavis.edu/fedora/linux/updates/10/i386//xorg-x11-drv-vmmouse-12.6.3-1.fc10.i386.rpm: >--> > /home/rpjday/j2/cache/xorg-x11-drv-vmmouse-12.6.3-1.fc10.i386.rpm > [9/2303] Trying to download > http://mirror.its.uidaho.edu/pub/fedora/linux/updates/10/i386//xorg-x11-drv-vmmouse-12.6.3-1.fc10.i386.rpm: >--> > /home/rpjday/j2/cache/xorg-x11-drv-vmmouse-12.6.3-1.fc10.i386.rpm > [9/2303] Trying to download > http://astromirror.uchicago.edu/fedora/linux/updates/10/i386//xorg-x11-drv-vmmouse-12.6.3-1.fc10.i386.rpm: >--> > /home/rpjday/j2/cache/xorg-x11-drv-vmmouse-12.6.3-1.fc10.i386.rpm > xorg-x11-drv-vmmouse-12.6.3-1.fc10.i386.rpm > |0 B 00:00 > [9/2303] Trying to download > http://jigdo.fedoraunity.org/data/20090210/xorg-x11-drv-vmmouse-12.6.3-1.fc10.i386.rpm: >--> > /home/rpjday/j2/cache/xorg-x11-drv-vmmouse-12.6.3-1.fc10.i386.rpm > [9/2303] Trying to download > http://download.fedoraproject.org/pub/fedora/linux/updates/10/i386/xorg-x11-drv-vmmouse-12.6.3-1.fc10.i386.rpm: >--> > /home/rpjday/j2/cache/xorg-x11-drv-vmmouse-12.6.3-1.fc10.i386.rpm > [9/2303] > /home/rpjday/j2/cache/xorg-x11-drv-vmmouse-12.6.3-1.fc10.i386.rpm is > incomplete, removing. > [9/2303] Trying to download > http://www.muug.mb.ca/pub/fedora/linux/updates/10/i386//xorg-x11-drv-vmmouse-12.6.3-1.fc10.i386.rpm: >--> > /home/rpjday/j2/cache/xorg-x11-drv-vmmouse-12.6.3-1.fc10.i386.rpm > ... etc etc ... > that's because that package is now version 12.6.3-3, not 12.6.3-1, > at the mirrors i checked. in short, the jigdo template needs to be > updated. is this a fedoraunity.org issue? Yes and no. The jigdo file was correct way back when it was created. And if you edit the jigdo list it will work. Hmmm... Has for me in the past anyway. :-) -- David -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: tcpdmatch, tcpdchk
2009/3/10 MJang : > Folks, > > I used to have the tcpdmatch and tcpdchk commands to check TCP wrappers > configurations. Can't find them any more on Red Hat or Fedora. They > still seem to be there on Ubuntu. > > Am I just missing a package, or have these commands been replaced? Gone, (8 years ago according to this post) by Jude DaShiell: http://linux.derkeiler.com/Mailing-Lists/Fedora/2005-06/0411.html "tcpdchk and tcpdmatch mystery solved Back in October 2000 both of those utilities were removed from the RedHat version of tcp_wrappers-7.6 because those expected to find /etc/inetd.conf and while you can find that on other flavors of Linux it's not one of Fedora's issued files. Now this is making some sense." -- Sam -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Virtual Memory gone mad
Investigating why my computer had suddenly become very s.l.o.w, I noticed that virtual memory usage had become very large. Following is an extract from a "$ ps axuw" for the system sorted according to VM usage, the top 20 processes in VM usage. Does anyone know why evolution + evolution evolution-data-server use not quite 2 GBytes? Or why the ordinary applets use together 1.4 GBytes? Or why sealert uses about 0.5 GBytes? Or anything else on this list? PID %CPU %MEMVSZ RSS TTY STAT START TIME COMMAND 2656 1.2 5.2 1668576 53708 ? Sl 12:20 1:26 evolution 2662 0.0 0.2 444628 2680 ? S12:20 0:00 /usr/bin/python -E /usr/bin/sealert -s 2611 0.0 0.5 381732 6132 ? S12:20 0:02 nautilus --no-desktop --browser 2660 3.4 2.4 354252 25396 ? Sl 12:20 3:51 /usr/lib/firefox-3.0.7/firefox 2887 0.0 0.2 339324 2280 ? Sl 12:21 0:00 /usr/libexec/evolution/2.24/evolution-alarm-notify ... 2642 0.0 0.5 331800 6080 ? Sl 12:20 0:02 gnome-terminal --geometry=90x30 1918 0.0 0.2 327812 2388 ? Ssl 12:09 0:02 /usr/bin/python -E /usr/sbin/setroubleshootd 2929 0.0 0.2 320556 2672 ? Sl 12:22 0:01 mono /usr/lib64/tomboy/Tomboy.exe --panel-applet ... 2827 0.0 0.2 313216 2804 ? Sl 12:21 0:00 /usr/libexec/evolution-data-server-2.24 ... 2909 0.0 0.3 288000 3708 ? S12:21 0:00 /usr/libexec/clock-applet ... 2922 0.0 0.2 287036 2812 ? Sl 12:22 0:00 /usr/libexec/mixer_applet2 ... 2600 0.0 0.2 281228 3000 ? Ssl 12:20 0:00 /usr/libexec/gnome-settings-daemon 3769 0.0 0.3 276596 3604 ? S12:31 0:00 /usr/libexec/notification-daemon 2665 0.0 0.3 262356 3392 ? S12:20 0:00 mail-notification --sm-disable 2768 0.0 0.6 257552 6368 ? S12:21 0:05 /usr/libexec/wnck-applet ... 2608 0.0 0.5 256040 5848 ? S12:20 0:02 gnome-panel 5596 9.1 0.9 254712 9548 ? Sl 14:04 0:54 gnome-system-monitor 2673 0.0 0.2 241080 2680 ? S12:20 0:00 gnome-power-manager 2776 0.0 0.3 240844 3544 ? S12:21 0:00 /usr/libexec/trashapplet ... 2609 0.1 0.1 237652 1660 ? Ss 12:20 0:12 gnome-screensaver For an old-line embedded systems programmer, who used to think in terms of KBytes, this looks a little excessive. Thanks - jon -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: removing autorun from a flash drive
Bruno Wolff III wrote, On 03/10/2009 05:34 PM: On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 14:38:54 -0500, Aaron Konstam wrote: Well I may be misleading you. I had to do some removal of software when I originally bought the device. It would not load on Fedora so I removed some software under XP. Then it would appear in Fedora but still had some U3 stiff remaining. That is what I removed on my Fedora machine. Sorry I forgot what I had done originally. Repartitioning the raw device would probably work. You would then create a filesystem on the partition. No, if you repartition the device, you wipe out the ability for the U3 removal tool to work, but the fake CD remains IIRC. DON'T delete the partitions until after removing the tool! "Can I remove U3 technology from my USB drive?" http://www.sandisk.com/Retail/Default.aspx?CatID=1450#Q13 or "U3 Launchpad Removal Tool" http://www.sandisk.com/Retail/Default.aspx?CatID=1415 -- Todd Denniston Crane Division, Naval Surface Warfare Center (NSWC Crane) Harnessing the Power of Technology for the Warfighter -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
tcpdmatch, tcpdchk
Folks, I used to have the tcpdmatch and tcpdchk commands to check TCP wrappers configurations. Can't find them any more on Red Hat or Fedora. They still seem to be there on Ubuntu. Am I just missing a package, or have these commands been replaced? Thanks, Mike -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: removing autorun from a flash drive
On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 14:38:54 -0500, Aaron Konstam wrote: > Well I may be misleading you. I had to do some removal of software when > I originally bought the device. It would not load on Fedora so I removed > some software under XP. Then it would appear in Fedora but still had > some U3 stiff remaining. That is what I removed on my Fedora machine. > Sorry I forgot what I had done originally. Repartitioning the raw device would probably work. You would then create a filesystem on the partition. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: NM key hassle
On Tue, 10 Mar 2009 14:52:04 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > On Tue, 2009-03-10 at 18:17 +, Beartooth wrote: > Working fine now -- but I have a Very Dumb Yum Question : why is >> it that the "all" in "yum clean all" does not include metadata? > > It does, according to the man page. If it doesn't you should report it. Well, you tell me : the instruction said : do yum clean metadata yum -y update and I departed from that in two ways. I did "yum clean all" followed by plain "yum update" without the -y. It failed on all machines. I went back and did "yum clean metadata" as instructed. Then either plain "yum update" (on machines where I had already either removed NM or used the exclude formula), or things like "yum install krb5-auth-dialog" and "yum install NetworkManager-gnome" succeeded, whereupon "yum update" again either got something and succeeded, or else reported it had nothing to do. Is that close enoough to copy into a bug report, or was it some fault of mine? -- Beartooth Staffwright, PhD, Neo-Redneck Linux Convert Remember I know precious little of what I am talking about. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Looking for input on yum metadata_expire option
Hi For those who didn't know, metadata_expire value in yum.conf can control how much time yum will rely on the existing metadata before trying to refresh it. f you want the behaviour to be similar to apt, then you can set it to never as well. The default value is 6 hours now. I had a recent discussion with Seth Vidal, the primary developer of yum about increasing it to a day instead of 6 hours. We are now looking for input from you, the Fedora users on what value would be appropriate. If you have fiddled around with this setting, let me know what you think. If you haven't try it out and I would appreciate your feedback as well. Thanks, Rahul -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Yum update fails to initialize (no download)
Dave Feustel wrote: > Suse box lost power after UPS shutdown. Now yast locks up > trying to download files at initialization. How to fix? > > Thanks. > Aren't you asking on the wrong list? Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Yum update fails to initialize (no download)
Suse box lost power after UPS shutdown. Now yast locks up trying to download files at initialization. How to fix? Thanks. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Label Program reccomendations ??
Tim wrote: > On Tue, 2009-03-10 at 09:56 -0500, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote: >> I am surprised that you could not run them through the laser >> printer. I do it all the time, and I have never had problems. Do you >> also have problems running envelopes through that printer? > > I've never dared. They're hard enough to get to go neatly through a > simple typewriter, while manually cranking, never mind the twists and > turns that lasers have in their paper path. Not to mention the expense > involved if you stuff it up. > One nice thing about Avery labels - if you use their labels in the type of printer the labels are for, (inkjet or laser) and it jams up the printer, they will send someone out to fix it for free. I don't think this covers running the same sheet through more then once, but it covers the rest. I have not had to use this service, but one of my sisters did. She was really surprised, because the labels that caused the problems were kind of old... But I have not looked to see if this warranty is only in the United States, or world wide. > I have tried putting envelopes though the inkjet, when I still had it. > They'd often jam, as the thickness of the envelope is not uniform, and > they'd start to move off kilter, going diagonally through the mechanism. > If I had a need for mass posting, I'd buy those envelopes with the clear > window, and print the first page to suit. > While I have done envelopes in inkjets, I prefer to do then in a laser printer. I have not had the need for it, but I am supposed to be able to put envelopes in my paper feed try of my Brother laser printer. >> On the other hand, I always use the manual feed, and do not try to >> put them in the paper cartridge, so maybe that is the difference. I >> can see having problems picking up the label sheets from a paper >> cartridge. > > I've tried labels, the sheets are just too thick. They'd jam because of > that, or literally get stuck. Even with manual feed, which only has one > u-bend in the paper travel. And even simple paper/card is a problem, > despite still being within the specs of the printer. Mind you, I'm not > using the latest printers, it's a HP LaserJet 4L. > I have printed envelops with a Laserjet II, Laserjet IIIp, and Laserjet 6L, as well as a Brother MFC-7820N. I had one printer that was a straight shot through if you were using manual feed, and opened up a door in the back - you could adjust it for just about any thickness of paper. (I think is was a dot matrix printer.) The 6L works well for thicker card stock with manual feed because it does not make a U bend - just one 60 degree bend. Things like business card stock work in all of them. I have lost tract of the number of cards I have printed over the years. For inkjet printers, I think the HP printers are about the worst. They require the paper to make a tight U bend. I have had better luck with the Lexmark printers - the paper path is more like the Laserjet 6L, so the labels stay on the paper, and feed through straight. Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: setting X server DPI
Tim wrote: > The DPI should be set to the values that actually represent the > hardware. I can't wait!!! When is it going to happen? My monitor's native resolution is 96x96, according to the manufacturer, and it IS, multiplying the pixels out by the screen dimensions. So why does Fedora always default to 91x91? -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
where to report out-of-date jigdo package references?
... [9/2303] Trying to download http://mirror.cc.vt.edu/pub/fedora/linux/updates/10/i386//xorg-x11-drv-vmmouse-12.6.3-1.fc10.i386.rpm: --> /home/rpjday/j2/cache/xorg-x11-drv-vmmouse-12.6.3-1.fc10.i386.rpm [9/2303] Trying to download http://mirrors.reflected.net/fedora/linux/updates/10/i386//xorg-x11-drv-vmmouse-12.6.3-1.fc10.i386.rpm: --> /home/rpjday/j2/cache/xorg-x11-drv-vmmouse-12.6.3-1.fc10.i386.rpm [9/2303] Trying to download http://mirror.lib.ucdavis.edu/fedora/linux/updates/10/i386//xorg-x11-drv-vmmouse-12.6.3-1.fc10.i386.rpm: --> /home/rpjday/j2/cache/xorg-x11-drv-vmmouse-12.6.3-1.fc10.i386.rpm [9/2303] Trying to download http://mirror.its.uidaho.edu/pub/fedora/linux/updates/10/i386//xorg-x11-drv-vmmouse-12.6.3-1.fc10.i386.rpm: --> /home/rpjday/j2/cache/xorg-x11-drv-vmmouse-12.6.3-1.fc10.i386.rpm [9/2303] Trying to download http://astromirror.uchicago.edu/fedora/linux/updates/10/i386//xorg-x11-drv-vmmouse-12.6.3-1.fc10.i386.rpm: --> /home/rpjday/j2/cache/xorg-x11-drv-vmmouse-12.6.3-1.fc10.i386.rpm xorg-x11-drv-vmmouse-12.6.3-1.fc10.i386.rpm |0 B 00:00 [9/2303] Trying to download http://jigdo.fedoraunity.org/data/20090210/xorg-x11-drv-vmmouse-12.6.3-1.fc10.i386.rpm: --> /home/rpjday/j2/cache/xorg-x11-drv-vmmouse-12.6.3-1.fc10.i386.rpm [9/2303] Trying to download http://download.fedoraproject.org/pub/fedora/linux/updates/10/i386/xorg-x11-drv-vmmouse-12.6.3-1.fc10.i386.rpm: --> /home/rpjday/j2/cache/xorg-x11-drv-vmmouse-12.6.3-1.fc10.i386.rpm [9/2303] /home/rpjday/j2/cache/xorg-x11-drv-vmmouse-12.6.3-1.fc10.i386.rpm is incomplete, removing. [9/2303] Trying to download http://www.muug.mb.ca/pub/fedora/linux/updates/10/i386//xorg-x11-drv-vmmouse-12.6.3-1.fc10.i386.rpm: --> /home/rpjday/j2/cache/xorg-x11-drv-vmmouse-12.6.3-1.fc10.i386.rpm ... etc etc ... that's because that package is now version 12.6.3-3, not 12.6.3-1, at the mirrors i checked. in short, the jigdo template needs to be updated. is this a fedoraunity.org issue? rday -- Robert P. J. Day Linux Consulting, Training and Annoying Kernel Pedantry: Have classroom, will lecture. http://crashcourse.ca Waterloo, Ontario, CANADA -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: removing autorun from a flash drive
On Tue, 2009-03-10 at 10:34 -0500, Michael Hennebry wrote: > On Tue, 10 Mar 2009, Aaron Konstam wrote: > > > On Mon, 2009-03-09 at 14:15 -0600, Robin Laing wrote: > >> I purchased a drive that had U3 and it was not marked on the packaging. > >> I wouldn't have purchased the drive if I knew about it. > >> > >> I had to find a Windows user so I could remove it. One person was upset > >> because he had to remove hardware devices to get the software to work on > >> his computer > > > I just deleted he U3 stuff using F9. Although I will admit I thought I > > deleted it months ago. > > How did you do that? > On my F9, it seems to show up as a CD, > but mount -l doesn't admit its existence. > Well I may be misleading you. I had to do some removal of software when I originally bought the device. It would not load on Fedora so I removed some software under XP. Then it would appear in Fedora but still had some U3 stiff remaining. That is what I removed on my Fedora machine. Sorry I forgot what I had done originally. -- === New York now leads the world's great cities in the number of people around whom you shouldn't make a sudden move. -- David Letterman === Aaron Konstam telephone: (210) 656-0355 e-mail: akons...@sbcglobal.net -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Laptop black screen after wake up from suspend
2009/3/10 Roger Grosswiler : > > Thanks for the advice, unfortunately, that l...@*%& seems to freeze > after waking up from suspend. Switching the screens does not help, i > cannot connect to it using ssh or something else. > > In fact, it is a DELL (just to please...) Latitude C540 using a ATI > Radeon Mobility 7500 (yeees, and compiz isnt working on it > either ;)) > > something else i can try? I have exacly the same problem with a Compaq Presario F756la with an nVidia GeForce 7000M. Aparently wakeup doesn't work at all (absolutly nothing happens). Nothing interesting to see in the logs. -- Martín Marqués select 'martin.marques' || '@' || 'gmail.com' DBA, Programador, Administrador -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Yum update fails because of NetworkManager
On Tue, 2009-03-10 at 14:50 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > On Tue, 2009-03-10 at 16:40 +, Bill Crawford wrote: > > On Tuesday 10 March 2009 16:28:14 Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > > ... > > > I tried importing the key by hand (from pgp.mit.edu), which has always > > > worked for me before, but rpm said "import failed" for some reason. > > > > It should be in /etc/pki/rpm-gpg/RPM-GPG-KEY-fedora-10-primary ... > > Well it is of course, but it's different from the key I downloaded. I > suspect NM was signed with wrong key (or no key). Apparently it's been > fixed now. No, I was wrong, it's slightly more subtle (right key but wrong signing algorithm): https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-announce-list/2009-March/msg4.html poc -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Yum update fails because of NetworkManager
Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Tue, 2009-03-10 at 16:40 +, Bill Crawford wrote: On Tuesday 10 March 2009 16:28:14 Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: ... I tried importing the key by hand (from pgp.mit.edu), which has always worked for me before, but rpm said "import failed" for some reason. It should be in /etc/pki/rpm-gpg/RPM-GPG-KEY-fedora-10-primary ... Well it is of course, but it's different from the key I downloaded. I suspect NM was signed with wrong key (or no key). Apparently it's been fixed now. Fixed how? Was the correct key applied to the already existing package? (In which case we have to wait for the fixed package to propagate out to the mirrors, since the incorrect is already starting to appear.) Or are they releasing a new package signed with the correct key. In which case we have to wait for the new package to propagate out to the mirrors. Sounds like we have to wait for the mirrors in either case... BTW, I'm seeing the same problem on F9 poc -- Kevin J. Cummings kjch...@rcn.com cummi...@kjchome.homeip.net cummi...@kjc386.framingham.ma.us Registered Linux User #1232 (http://counter.li.org) -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Yum update fails because of NetworkManager
On Tue, 2009-03-10 at 16:40 +, Bill Crawford wrote: > On Tuesday 10 March 2009 16:28:14 Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > ... > > I tried importing the key by hand (from pgp.mit.edu), which has always > > worked for me before, but rpm said "import failed" for some reason. > > It should be in /etc/pki/rpm-gpg/RPM-GPG-KEY-fedora-10-primary ... Well it is of course, but it's different from the key I downloaded. I suspect NM was signed with wrong key (or no key). Apparently it's been fixed now. poc -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: NM key hassle
On Tue, 2009-03-10 at 18:17 +, Beartooth wrote: > On Tue, 10 Mar 2009 10:52:47 -0700, Mike Cloaked wrote: > [...] > > The issue with NM keys is already fixed - do > > yum clean metadata > > yum -y update > > > > and the new NM will update along with any other updates due - it may > > take a little while for all mirrors to syncso just be a little > > patient > > Working fine now -- but I have a Very Dumb Yum Question : why is > it that the "all" in "yum clean all" does not include metadata? It does, according to the man page. If it doesn't you should report it. poc -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: setting X server DPI
On Tue, 10 Mar 2009 13:35:51 -0430 Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > This true but it shouldn't be. It's true because the sizes of things in > X are defined in terms of pixels, and it's wrong because 12pt type is > 12pt, no matter what medium it's on. It's an absolute size, not a given > number of pixels. No they aren't. All the font rendering libraries these days take point sizes at the primary means of specifying font size, but the point (he-he :-) is that the physical device eventually renders the fonts by turning pixels on or off. If you only have 40 pixels per inch, then a 12 point font is gonna need to be rendered on that device in ((12/72)*40 pixels (which comes out to 7 even if you round up), then considering that the lower case characters are only about half height and you have a grand total of 3 or 4 pixels available to render the entire set of glyphs in a font. No can read :-). Even with anti-aliasing and greyscale values for the pixels, rendering readable characters cannot be done. Often this is what you want. If you are preparing a print preview, unreadable little smudges that give you an idea of where the line goes is perfectly OK, but if you are trying to read menus and dialog boxes and get work done it is hopeless. You could re-write every application in the universe to carefully deduce some "readability" factor based on the available pixels to render the requested font size and request a different size font for thing it intends to be readable, or you can lie about the DPI and not rewrite every single app in the universe. Guess which one is more practical :-). Just like you can calculate orbits with an earth-centric model and epicycles within epicycles, or you could use a sun-centric model and a simple ellipse. They both get the same result, but one is a heck of a lot simpler than the other. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Laptop black screen after wake up from suspend
Am Tue, 10 Mar 2009 11:19:39 -0600 schrieb Phil Meyer : > Roger Grosswiler wrote: > > I have a dell latitude, which does not wake up properly after > > suspend-to-ram. > > > > Hibernate is working fine. > > > > But using suspend, the screen just stays black and i need to > > reboot. > > > > Does anybody have an idea about this issue? > > > > Thanks for any help. > > > > Roger > > > > > > It is an artifact of the display driver being used. A work around > might be to F2 and then F1 to refresh the > display. > > If that works, then the display is not being told to 'wake up' after > the resume, and you can add an event handler to force it. > > However, you may want to upgrade the graphics driver. > > What video driver are you using, on which version of Fedora? > > Good Luck! > Hi Phil, Thanks for the advice, unfortunately, that l...@*%& seems to freeze after waking up from suspend. Switching the screens does not help, i cannot connect to it using ssh or something else. In fact, it is a DELL (just to please...) Latitude C540 using a ATI Radeon Mobility 7500 (yeees, and compiz isnt working on it either ;)) something else i can try? Roger -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
F10 WOL doesn't work with suspend
WOL works when I halt the system, but not suspend. I used "ethtool -s eth0 wol g" to enable WOL on the NIC. After halting the system, the link light on the NIC stays on and I can wake it up with WOL from a different system. When I suspends the system, the link light on the NIC goes off and I can't wake the system up with WOL. (It will wake up if I touch the mouse or the keyboard.) I did some seach online and some people mentioned I need to put the network module on the "MODULES_WHITELIST" at /etc/default/acpi-support so suspend wouldn't unload the NIC driver. But there is no /etc/default/acpi-support on my system (Fedora 10). How do I enable WOL for suspend? -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
screw jigdo, on to pyjigdo
argh. as i mentioned in a previous posting, my heretofore delightful experiences with jigdo have come to a screeching halt given that jigdo insists on pulling from the server at the university of calgary, whose bandwidth is, at the moment, comparable to what i could get with two cans and a piece of string (< 2K/sec). a quick google on "jigdo blacklist mirror" got me here: http://bugs.fedoraunity.org/server-bugs/11 which had all sorts of nifty things to say about "pyjigdo", so ... # yum install pyjigdo and away we go. i'll let ya know. rday -- Robert P. J. Day Linux Consulting, Training and Annoying Kernel Pedantry: Have classroom, will lecture. http://crashcourse.ca Waterloo, Ontario, CANADA -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: NM key hassle
On Tue, 10 Mar 2009 10:52:47 -0700, Mike Cloaked wrote: [...] > The issue with NM keys is already fixed - do > yum clean metadata > yum -y update > > and the new NM will update along with any other updates due - it may > take a little while for all mirrors to syncso just be a little > patient Working fine now -- but I have a Very Dumb Yum Question : why is it that the "all" in "yum clean all" does not include metadata? -- Beartooth Staffwright, PhD, Neo-Redneck Linux Convert Remember I know precious little of what I am talking about. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: setting X server DPI
On Tue, 2009-03-10 at 13:27 -0400, Tom Horsley wrote: > Absolutely true, and absolutely the point. If you specify a 12 point > font on a 46" 1920x1080 display, you will wind up drawing some > random smudge of bits that is indeed able to fit on a line that > is 12/72 of an inch high, but there aren't enough frigging pixels > to render the font in any fashion that makes it remotely possible > to discern what the character actually represents. This true but it shouldn't be. It's true because the sizes of things in X are defined in terms of pixels, and it's wrong because 12pt type is 12pt, no matter what medium it's on. It's an absolute size, not a given number of pixels. The fault is with how X works. Probably no-one remembers it now, but the NeWS display server defined by Sun and based on Postscript did actually manage real sizes, not pixel dimensions. poc -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Yum update fails because of NetworkManager
Bill Crawford wrote: > > On Tuesday 10 March 2009 16:28:14 Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > ... >> I tried importing the key by hand (from pgp.mit.edu), which has always >> worked for me before, but rpm said "import failed" for some reason. > > It should be in /etc/pki/rpm-gpg/RPM-GPG-KEY-fedora-10-primary ... > > The NM key issue is now fixed - all you need is a little patience for your favourite mirror to sync up and then yum clean metadata yum -y update and all should be well. -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Yum-update-fails-because-of-NetworkManager-tp22435819p22439932.html Sent from the Fedora List mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: NM key hassle
Beartooth Sciurivore wrote: > > On Tue, 10 Mar 2009 12:41:38 -0400, Paul W. Frields wrote: > [...] >> You don't have to delete the package, though; you could do this: >> >> yum --exclude=NetworkManager\* update > > The issue with NM keys is already fixed - do yum clean metadata yum -y update and the new NM will update along with any other updates due - it may take a little while for all mirrors to syncso just be a little patient -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/NM-key-hassle-tp22437969p22439903.html Sent from the Fedora List mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: setting X server DPI
On Wed, 11 Mar 2009 02:24:39 +1030 Tim wrote: > i.e. 12 point text is the same size whether printed on 2 inches of > paper, or 20 inches of paper. Absolutely true, and absolutely the point. If you specify a 12 point font on a 46" 1920x1080 display, you will wind up drawing some random smudge of bits that is indeed able to fit on a line that is 12/72 of an inch high, but there aren't enough frigging pixels to render the font in any fashion that makes it remotely possible to discern what the character actually represents. As long as all the software in the universe insists on defaulting to things like 9 or 12 point fonts for menu items and login screens no sane person would want the default DPI to actually match the hardware because they couldn't possibly read what it says enough to even find the dialog box they need to fix it. If some poor soul suffers from OCD so badly that he goes into uncontrollable tremors and breaks out in a sweat if the measured size of the font doesn't match the requested size, they by all means let him check the box that says "render actual size", but I'm not willing to set my screen to "actual size" just because he breaks into a cold sweat knowing that I have it set "wrong". I need to be able to read what it says. A default setting that can be read is vastly superior to a pedantically "correct" setting that results in everything being tiny little screen smudges. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: NM key hassle
On Tue, 10 Mar 2009 12:41:38 -0400, Paul W. Frields wrote:
[...]
> You don't have to delete the package, though; you could do this:
>
> yum --exclude=NetworkManager\* update
>
> You can add additional excludes as needed, too:
>
> yum --exclude={NetworkManager\*,foobar} update
>
> That's parsed by the shell into the following:
>
> yum --exclude=NetworkManager\* --exclude=foobar update
I'm glad you mentioned that. "exclude" is always the first thing
I think of, and for me it always fails; I don't know what I do so
consistently wrong, depsite trying different ways. Is there an
exposition, less opaque than a man page, and preferably mentioning
pitfalls, anywhere??
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Re: Laptop black screen after wake up from suspend
Roger Grosswiler wrote: I have a dell latitude, which does not wake up properly after suspend-to-ram. Hibernate is working fine. But using suspend, the screen just stays black and i need to reboot. Does anybody have an idea about this issue? Thanks for any help. Roger It is an artifact of the display driver being used. A work around might be to F2 and then F1 to refresh the display. If that works, then the display is not being told to 'wake up' after the resume, and you can add an event handler to force it. However, you may want to upgrade the graphics driver. What video driver are you using, on which version of Fedora? Good Luck! -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: USB-SATA/IDE adapter on linux/Fedora?
L wrote: Hi, Has any one had good experience with USB-SATA/IDE adapter on linux/Fedora? if so, what is the brand? Most of these devises on markets is marked as workable on win or MAC. non mention of linux thanks Y Sorry for not replying sooner. I own/run/manage a computer repair shop. I often receive hard drives that must have data recovered and then hard drive tossed and replaced. I've used these adapters: http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=2329300&CatId=3770 with near perfect results. The power bricks are usually poor quality... but I rarely use the bricks anyway. Now, take this advise with a grain of salt, I have never had to boot a drive from this kind of connector. I've always used such in 'Search & Recover' mode only. Good Luck. Lyos Gemini Norezel begin:vcard fn:Lyos Norezel n:Norezel;Lyos org:GBES, LLC adr:Ohio;;United States email;internet:lyos.gemininore...@gmail.com title:Computer Repair Technician note;quoted-printable:"Those who hunt monsters beware, lest they become monsters themselves.Ify= ou stare long into the abyss, the abyss stares back into you." --Nietzsch= e=0D=0A= =0D=0A= Mundus Vult Decipi et Decipiatur -- Latin Proverb version:2.1 end:vcard -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Evolution throwing away emails for one of my accounts ?
2009/3/10 David : > A 'feature' of Gmail is that it does not 'return' to you *from* a > mailing list a copy of a post you make *to* a mailing list. > > Great feature? I think not. " It's because it considers the incoming message to be the same as the one already in your Sent folder because the Message ID is common. I presume that's a design decision so that a message only takes up one unit of space no matter how many GMail labels are applied to it. The way I get around this is to filter to:fedora-list@redhat.com and apply a "Lists/fedora" label. That appears as an IMAP sub-folder and when I view that label in the Gmail web interface or in a real client it shows all my messages to the list. The only downside is that it doesn't consider them "new" messages, so when I view that folder/label my messages are already read - but as I tend to read them as I write them, I don't consider that a massive drawback ;o) I've been using GMail for all my mail (it pulls from my other accounts via POP3) for about 3 months and I am generally very happy. At work I use Thunderbird via IMAP to read it, but everywhere else I use the web interface and I haven't found anything I want to do that Gmail can't at least reasonably approximate. -- Sam -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re:pidgin problem after installing the most recent f10 updates
> There's no pidgin rpm for Fedora on sourceforge.net. Right, but a source package, and why not install from scratch if this solves my problem? And don't you dare > to say you installed it from source? No. I have no problem with installation software by source, and I think this is a recommended way if a binary package is not available! I don't want to be scare, but > you're in a real world of trouble from now. It's not a recommended way > of installing software, you know. No, I don't know, and I cannot agree with you. Why not install open source software by source (I must repeat myself). > What for myself - it's only my girlfriend who needs Pidgin for ICQ > messaging. I'll be wait for updates while using Kopete. > -- > Hiisi. > -- Joachim Backes Don't take that to seriously. It was only a joke. But if I'm not mistaking, when you install a program from source it won't update automatically. I've installed OpenOffice3 in such way on my F9. That mean you'll face the same problem (too old version) sooner or later. -- Hiisi. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Evolution throwing away emails for one of my accounts ?
On Tue, 2009-03-10 at 12:33 -0400, David wrote: > A 'feature' of Gmail is that it does not 'return' to you *from* a > mailing list a copy of a post you make *to* a mailing list. > > Great feature? I think not. It's very easy to set up a vfolder in Evo to show messages both to and from the list. I do that for this list, which I receive on Gmail. You just add "Gmail/Sent Mail" to the set of folders being filtered. poc -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Label Program reccomendations ??
On Tue, 2009-03-10 at 10:56 -0500, Dave Ihnat wrote: > I'm rather flummoxed by your problems. I've been using labels--almost > always Avery--in inkjets and lasers for years. Many brands of > printers. Envelopes, too. It all became too much of a pain... I could, about 80% of the time, get labels to go through one of my old inkjets, before it died. But, it didn't always print in the same place (vertical-wise). And, thanks to programming idiots who play silly games with DPI, it was impossible to print where I wanted. i.e. On my much older computer and printer, if I said a box started 12 cm down, and 5 cm across, was 3 cm high and 5 cm wide, then it printed exactly as I specified. On the newer gear, where it threw away standards, and turned them into arbitrary unspecified figures, I had to waste paper doing test prints and making tiny unpredictable adjustments, to get things to print right. I really hate pinheads who stuff things up until it *seems* to work for them, without understanding what they're doing. It stuffs things up for everyone *else* in an unmanageable way. -- [...@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.15-78.2.23.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: NM key hassle
On Tue, 10 Mar 2009 12:04:15 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > On Tue, 2009-03-10 at 16:21 +, Beartooth wrote: [...] > This has been reported several times. Apparently it's being worked on. Yes, so I saw -- an instant too late; my apologies! >> So I deleted NM and whatever-all else I had to, till yum update >> completed normally. Then I told yum to install whatever-all back. It >> tried seven, got six, and then hit that same message again. (I had >> actually removed ten or twelve; I'll go add them back in and try >> again.) > So doing the exact same thing a second time gave the exact same result > as the first time? Amazing. Removing and reinstalling packages can > sometimes help when there's a dependency issue, but that's not what's > happening here. No, my bad -- very much not the same. I tried installing back several, not including NM; got the error; figured out by trial and error which one was requiring NM; dropped that; installed the others; went back, got more, and again managed to re-install everything except what turned out to be the PackageKit complex and krb5-auth-dialog. >> Why does yum not just ask me if I want to install this key?? > > I actually tried installing it by hand (see separate message) but it > didn't work. In any case it's not something I would recommend for > official packages. Without one of the standard keys, you never know > where it really came from. OK, I'll wait. "yum install gnome-packagekit krb5-auth-dialog" will now get everything I haven't been able to add back. -- Beartooth Staffwright, PhD, Neo-Redneck Linux Convert Remember I know precious little of what I am talking about. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
scratch
What do you thing of this problem (fedora 10): HP Linux Imaging and Printing System (ver. 3.9.2) Printer/Fax Setup Utility ver. 8.0 Copyright (c) 2001-9 Hewlett-Packard Development Company, LP This software comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY. This is free software, and you are welcome to distribute it under certain conditions. See COPYING file for more details. Searching... (bus=usb, search=(None) desc=0) Searching... (bus=usb, search=(None) desc=0) | (:12688): Gtk-CRITICAL **: gtk_widget_get_screen: assertion `GTK_IS_WIDGET (widget)' failed (:12688): Gdk-CRITICAL **: gdk_screen_get_root_window: assertion `GDK_IS_SCREEN (screen)' failed (:12688): Gdk-CRITICAL **: gdk_screen_get_root_window: assertion `GDK_IS_SCREEN (screen)' failed (:12688): Gdk-CRITICAL **: gdk_screen_get_root_window: assertion `GDK_IS_SCREEN (screen)' failed (:12688): Gtk-CRITICAL **: gtk_widget_get_screen: assertion `GTK_IS_WIDGET (widget)' failed (:12688): Gtk-CRITICAL **: gtk_widget_get_screen: assertion `GTK_IS_WIDGET (widget)' failed (:12688): Gtk-CRITICAL **: gtk_widget_get_screen: assertion `GTK_IS_WIDGET (widget)' failed (:12688): Gtk-CRITICAL **: gtk_widget_get_screen: assertion `GTK_IS_WIDGET (widget)' failed (:12688): Gdk-CRITICAL **: gdk_screen_get_root_window: assertion `GDK_IS_SCREEN (screen)' failed (:12688): Gdk-CRITICAL **: gdk_screen_get_root_window: assertion `GDK_IS_SCREEN (screen)' failed (:12688): Gdk-CRITICAL **: gdk_screen_get_root_window: assertion `GDK_IS_SCREEN (screen)' failed (:12688): Gtk-CRITICAL **: gtk_widget_get_screen: assertion `GTK_IS_WIDGET (widget)' failed (:12688): Gtk-CRITICAL **: gtk_widget_get_screen: assertion `GTK_IS_WIDGET (widget)' failed (:12688): Gdk-CRITICAL **: gdk_screen_get_root_window: assertion `GDK_IS_SCREEN (screen)' failed (:12688): Gdk-CRITICAL **: gdk_screen_get_root_window: assertion `GDK_IS_SCREEN (screen)' failed (:12688): Gdk-CRITICAL **: gdk_screen_get_root_window: assertion `GDK_IS_SCREEN (screen)' failed (:12688): Gtk-CRITICAL **: gtk_widget_get_screen: assertion `GTK_IS_WIDGET (widget)' failed (:12688): Gtk-CRITICAL **: gtk_widget_get_screen: assertion `GTK_IS_WIDGET (widget)' failed (:12688): Gtk-CRITICAL **: gtk_widget_get_screen: assertion `GTK_IS_WIDGET (widget)' failed error: The printer you are trying to setup requires a binary driver plug-in and it failed to install. Please check you internet connection and try again. Visit http://hplipopensource.com for more infomation. Done. -- --- == Patrick DUPRÉ | | Department of Chemistry| |Phone: (44)-(0)-1904-434384 The University of York | |Fax: (44)-(0)-1904-432516 Heslington | | York YO10 5DD United Kingdom | |email: pd...@york.ac.uk ==-- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: fedora on asus M70VN-X1?
On Wed, 2009-03-11 at 00:13 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote: > If everybody listened to somebody that told them not to buy something > then nobody would buying anything. And Windows wouldn't be as prevalent... Damn! -- [...@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.15-78.2.23.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Evolution throwing away emails for one of my accounts ?
On Tue, 2009-03-10 at 12:33 -0400, David wrote: > On 3/10/2009 11:37 AM, Linuxguy123 wrote: > > On Tue, 2009-03-10 at 09:15 -0600, Linuxguy123 wrote: > >> I'm wondering if Evolution might be throwing out emails that it > >> shouldn't be. > > >> I use Evolution in F10 to manage my emails. > > >> I have a number of different email accounts for various purposes. I > >> have filters set up to sort my incoming emails into about 20 different > >> folders, based on the sender. If an email doesn't match any of the > >> filters, it ends up in my general inbox. > > >> I haven't received any 3rd party email in my inbox since Thursday at > >> noon. This is highly unusual. > > >> I sent myself a test email yesterday from one of my accounts and > >> it correctly ended up in my inbox. But no other emails have ended up > >> there and I suspect that some should be. I just got a phone call from > >> a guy that claims he sent me 4 emails and they aren't in my inbox, nor > >> the junk or trash folders. > > >> Furthermore, when I do a Send/Receive in Evolution, it states it is > >> getting emails for an account that is never filtered and yet none of > >> those emails are showing up in my inbox folder. > > >> How would I verify that Evolution isn't throwing away some of my > >> emails ? > > > I was half asleep when I wrote this. The account in question is a gmail > > account. I logged into gmail directly and checked and there are over a > > dozen emails sitting in the account that haven't shown up in Evolution. > > I don't have delete once downloaded selected in Evolution, so the emails > > stay in the gmail account even after they are downloaded. > > > So either Evolution isn't downloading the emails from that account or it > > is throwing them away. How do I troubleshoot this ? > > > A 'feature' of Gmail is that it does not 'return' to you *from* a > mailing list a copy of a post you make *to* a mailing list. > > Great feature? I think not. I agree, but that has nothing to do with my current problem. I didn't mean to open this post to criticisms of gmail's "features". -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: fedora on asus M70VN-X1?
Bill Crawford wrote: > On Tuesday 10 March 2009 16:13:16 Ed Greshko wrote: > >> If everybody listened to somebody that told them not to buy something >> then nobody would buying anything. >> > > But, the same applies in reverse, and the warnings - which might apply to > some > particular hardware, or software versions, more than others - are potentially > useful as guidance on what might be good to avoid ... > > > I'm not sure how you go about reversing what I wrote. And I sure hope nobody took it verbatim. Maybe a :-) was needed. But, yes, the point is "guidance" and not "gospel" regardless of what camp one is in. (Good thing I looked at the headers before I sent thishit "reply" instead of "reply-all" without noticing that I somehow ended up as a Cc:) -- sticky bit has come loose mei-mei.gres...@greshko.com http://tw.youtube.com/watch?v=cCSz_koUhSg signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Evolution throwing away emails for one of my accounts ?
On Wed, 2009-03-11 at 02:33 +1030, Tim wrote: > On Tue, 2009-03-10 at 09:37 -0600, Linuxguy123 wrote: > > The account in question is a gmail account. I logged into gmail > > directly and checked and there are over a dozen emails sitting in the > > account that haven't shown up in Evolution. I don't have delete once > > downloaded selected in Evolution, so the emails stay in the gmail > > account even after they are downloaded. > > Hmm, that can get messy if servers do something unpredictable. > > e.g. It's expected that each message has a unique number. The mail > client knows that if it's fetched message X, then it doesn't need to > fetch it again. If a server gives a new message the same number as one > the client has already fetched, the client thinks its the old message > that it's fetched, so it doesn't fetch this one. > > And there's other gotchas: Clients not downloading what it thinks are > "read" messages, where the flagging of "read" has been inappropriately > associated with a message. > > Broken messages jamming up the server. > > There's a rather lengthy list of things that go wrong when you try > leaving messages on servers, particularly when using protocols not > really designed for that sort of thing (like POP3). I've been using gmail for my mail servers for several years now, with several accounts. This is the first time I've had a problem. I love having the redundancy of being able to check my email online with gmail. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: NM key hassle
On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 04:21:22PM +, Beartooth wrote:
>
> Trying to update my wife's F10 machine, I got a failure with the
> message :
>
> Public key for NetworkManager-glib-0.7.0.99-3.fc10.x86_64.rpm is not
> installed
>
> So I deleted NM and whatever-all else I had to, till yum update
> completed normally. Then I told yum to install whatever-all back. It
> tried seven, got six, and then hit that same message again. (I had
> actually removed ten or twelve; I'll go add them back in and try again.)
>
> Why does yum not just ask me if I want to install this key??
As I pointed out in an earlier thread, there was a bug on the package
update system. The problem should be resolved shortly.
You don't have to delete the package, though; you could do this:
yum --exclude=NetworkManager\* update
You can add additional excludes as needed, too:
yum --exclude={NetworkManager\*,foobar} update
That's parsed by the shell into the following:
yum --exclude=NetworkManager\* --exclude=foobar update
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Re: Yum update fails because of NetworkManager
On Tuesday 10 March 2009 16:28:14 Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: ... > I tried importing the key by hand (from pgp.mit.edu), which has always > worked for me before, but rpm said "import failed" for some reason. It should be in /etc/pki/rpm-gpg/RPM-GPG-KEY-fedora-10-primary ... -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: NM key hassle
On Tue, 2009-03-10 at 16:21 +, Beartooth wrote: > Trying to update my wife's F10 machine, I got a failure with the > message : > > Public key for NetworkManager-glib-0.7.0.99-3.fc10.x86_64.rpm is not > installed This has been reported several times. Apparently it's being worked on. > So I deleted NM and whatever-all else I had to, till yum update > completed normally. Then I told yum to install whatever-all back. It > tried seven, got six, and then hit that same message again. (I had > actually removed ten or twelve; I'll go add them back in and try again.) So doing the exact same thing a second time gave the exact same result as the first time? Amazing. Removing and reinstalling packages can sometimes help when there's a dependancy issue, but that's not what's happening here. > Why does yum not just ask me if I want to install this key?? I actually tried installing it by hand (see separate message) but it didn't work. In any case it's not something I would recommend for official packages. Without one of the standard keys, you never know where it really came from. poc -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Evolution throwing away emails for one of my accounts ?
On 3/10/2009 11:37 AM, Linuxguy123 wrote: > On Tue, 2009-03-10 at 09:15 -0600, Linuxguy123 wrote: >> I'm wondering if Evolution might be throwing out emails that it >> shouldn't be. >> I use Evolution in F10 to manage my emails. >> I have a number of different email accounts for various purposes. I >> have filters set up to sort my incoming emails into about 20 different >> folders, based on the sender. If an email doesn't match any of the >> filters, it ends up in my general inbox. >> I haven't received any 3rd party email in my inbox since Thursday at >> noon. This is highly unusual. >> I sent myself a test email yesterday from one of my accounts and >> it correctly ended up in my inbox. But no other emails have ended up >> there and I suspect that some should be. I just got a phone call from >> a guy that claims he sent me 4 emails and they aren't in my inbox, nor >> the junk or trash folders. >> Furthermore, when I do a Send/Receive in Evolution, it states it is >> getting emails for an account that is never filtered and yet none of >> those emails are showing up in my inbox folder. >> How would I verify that Evolution isn't throwing away some of my >> emails ? > I was half asleep when I wrote this. The account in question is a gmail > account. I logged into gmail directly and checked and there are over a > dozen emails sitting in the account that haven't shown up in Evolution. > I don't have delete once downloaded selected in Evolution, so the emails > stay in the gmail account even after they are downloaded. > So either Evolution isn't downloading the emails from that account or it > is throwing them away. How do I troubleshoot this ? A 'feature' of Gmail is that it does not 'return' to you *from* a mailing list a copy of a post you make *to* a mailing list. Great feature? I think not. -- David -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Yum update fails because of NetworkManager
On Tue, 2009-03-10 at 11:56 -0400, Paul W. Frields wrote: > On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 02:45:30PM +, Colin Paul Adams wrote: > > Trying to do a yum update fails with this message: > > > > Public key for NetworkManager-0.7.0.99-3.fc10.x86_64.rpm is not installed > > This is a known problem and there are people working on it already -- > a bug in the update pushing system as I understand it. I believe this > will be resolved within a day. I tried importing the key by hand (from pgp.mit.edu), which has always worked for me before, but rpm said "import failed" for some reason. poc -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: fedora on asus M70VN-X1?
On Tuesday 10 March 2009 16:13:16 Ed Greshko wrote: > If everybody listened to somebody that told them not to buy something > then nobody would buying anything. But, the same applies in reverse, and the warnings - which might apply to some particular hardware, or software versions, more than others - are potentially useful as guidance on what might be good to avoid ... -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
NM key hassle
Trying to update my wife's F10 machine, I got a failure with the message : Public key for NetworkManager-glib-0.7.0.99-3.fc10.x86_64.rpm is not installed So I deleted NM and whatever-all else I had to, till yum update completed normally. Then I told yum to install whatever-all back. It tried seven, got six, and then hit that same message again. (I had actually removed ten or twelve; I'll go add them back in and try again.) Why does yum not just ask me if I want to install this key?? -- Beartooth Staffwright, PhD, Neo-Redneck Linux Convert Remember I know precious little of what I am talking about. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Apparent total loss of all Raid 1 data from both drives`
Roberto, You raise some good points. We must remember this whole problem began with SELINUX Manager returned a completely empty GUI when that app was started. I rebooted and that is when everything "went south". Thank for your response. Bob Karge On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 4:42 PM, Roberto Ragusa wrote: > Robert Karge wrote: > > > Then reconstructed the Raid 1 array, which I > > have done successfully several times, and then added the two Raid drives > > back to the array. They then equalized, which appeared normal, this > > took several hours. > > I don't understand what you mean exactly by "reconstructed". > A RAID can be reassembled from existing disks or can be created > from scratch, assigning two disks or (in a quite unusual way) > assigning one disk and then grow it to two disk. > > Your "then added two Raid drives" leaves me wondering what kind of commands > were actually executed on your system. > > > When that finished I checked for data/directories and there was > > nothing. By nothing I mean no directories, no folders, no data. > > All though F10 detected that they were Raid formatted (ext2). > > This is strange. It looks like you have a working filesystem, which > is also empty. Accidentally reformatted? Recursive delete? > > Try this: > tune2fs -l /dev/md0 > and paste the output. > > It will be interesting to see > Filesystem created: > Mount count: > > >From what you said until now, it looks like a problem at the fileystem > level, not at the RAID level, not at the hardware level. > > > So my only disaster is the seeming loss of some very important stuff. > > I'm tempted to remember you that backups are important if your files > are important and that RAID 1 is not a backup. > But you sadly know that, for sure. > > I hope your stuff is still recoverable. > > Best regards. > -- > Roberto Ragusamail at robertoragusa.it > > -- > fedora-list mailing list > fedora-list@redhat.com > To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list > Guidelines: > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines > -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: fedora on asus M70VN-X1?
Gene Heskett wrote: > On Tuesday 10 March 2009, Kevin Kofler wrote: > >> Robert P. J. Day wrote: >> >>> i have to side with ed on this one -- while we may not like closed >>> source technology, nvidia has generally worked well for me when i've >>> had to deal with it. >>> >> Then why do we routinely get bug reports like (most recent one): >> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=487853 >> because the nvidia driver broke yet another part of KDE? And KDE is not the >> only stuff it breaks either. >> >>Kevin Kofler >> > > I'm on Kevin's side here folks. I regret it every time I load an nvidia > driver. While running nvidia drivers I have had LSN0 of the boot drive > zeroed > out 3 times in as many years, which is a most interesting recovery problem > (thanks to amanda its not permanently fatal), the last time about 10 minutes > after I had installed the newest nvidia driver and rebooted to it. > > Discovered because that drive had a partition on it I don't normally mount, > and when I tried to mount it, it wasn't there. Then fdisk said the drive had > no partition table, and a dd read of the first sector showed it as all 00's > hex. > > Nvidia's drivers tend to scribble all over memory they have no business > reading, let alone writing to. I only have one nvidia card here, and I run > it > with the vesa driver which is way faster than the nv driver in a milling > machine where IRQ response cannot tolerate any jitter or latency. > > That's fine Just be advised that your experiences are not universal and try not to frame them as such. The following statement is not "graphics vendor centric" It just seems to me that when a group of people experience a problem with "Z" they tend to dismiss or diminish the group of people that haven't experienced a problem with "Z". As one would expect, the people in pain are going to be the most vocal. The folks that don't have a problem with "Z" aren't going to guarantee a given individual won't have some problemsyet the folks that have had problems seem to want to guarantee you will have a problem. If everybody listened to somebody that told them not to buy something then nobody would buying anything. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Evolution throwing away emails for one of my accounts ?
On Tue, 2009-03-10 at 09:37 -0600, Linuxguy123 wrote: > The account in question is a gmail account. I logged into gmail > directly and checked and there are over a dozen emails sitting in the > account that haven't shown up in Evolution. I don't have delete once > downloaded selected in Evolution, so the emails stay in the gmail > account even after they are downloaded. Hmm, that can get messy if servers do something unpredictable. e.g. It's expected that each message has a unique number. The mail client knows that if it's fetched message X, then it doesn't need to fetch it again. If a server gives a new message the same number as one the client has already fetched, the client thinks its the old message that it's fetched, so it doesn't fetch this one. And there's other gotchas: Clients not downloading what it thinks are "read" messages, where the flagging of "read" has been inappropriately associated with a message. Broken messages jamming up the server. There's a rather lengthy list of things that go wrong when you try leaving messages on servers, particularly when using protocols not really designed for that sort of thing (like POP3). I got thoroughly sick of having to deal with other people's mail servers (my ISPs, and other mail service providers). Now I run my own, which fetches and deletes all mail from remote services, and my local mail server holds everything. Local clients use IMAP to access it. Local clients store nothing. What's been read on one box can easily be accessed from another box. -- [...@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.15-78.2.23.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Evolution throwing away emails for one of my accounts ?
On Tue, 2009-03-10 at 09:37 -0600, Linuxguy123 wrote: > On Tue, 2009-03-10 at 09:15 -0600, Linuxguy123 wrote: > > I'm wondering if Evolution might be throwing out emails that it > > shouldn't be. > > > > I use Evolution in F10 to manage my emails. > > > > I have a number of different email accounts for various purposes. I > > have filters set up to sort my incoming emails into about 20 different > > folders, based on the sender. If an email doesn't match any of the > > filters, it ends up in my general inbox. > > > > I haven't received any 3rd party email in my inbox since Thursday at > > noon. This is highly unusual. > > > > I sent myself a test email yesterday from one of my accounts and > > it correctly ended up in my inbox. But no other emails have ended up > > there and I suspect that some should be. I just got a phone call from > > a guy that claims he sent me 4 emails and they aren't in my inbox, nor > > the junk or trash folders. > > > > Furthermore, when I do a Send/Receive in Evolution, it states it is > > getting emails for an account that is never filtered and yet none of > > those emails are showing up in my inbox folder. > > > > How would I verify that Evolution isn't throwing away some of my > > emails ? > > I was half asleep when I wrote this. The account in question is a gmail > account. I logged into gmail directly and checked and there are over a > dozen emails sitting in the account that haven't shown up in Evolution. > I don't have delete once downloaded selected in Evolution, so the emails > stay in the gmail account even after they are downloaded. > > So either Evolution isn't downloading the emails from that account or it > is throwing them away. How do I troubleshoot this ? You can log Evo's actions by running it like this: % CAMEL_DEBUG=all evolution >& /tmp/camel.out & and looking at /tmp/camel.out, e.g. using "tail -f". This logs all interactions between Evo and the server (except for passwords, which are hidden). poc -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Label Program reccomendations ??
On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 02:02:57AM +1030, Tim wrote: > I've never dared. They're hard enough to get to go neatly through a > simple typewriter, ... I'm rather flummoxed by your problems. I've been using labels--almost always Avery--in inkjets and lasers for years. Many brands of printers. Envelopes, too. > Mind you, I'm not using the latest printers, it's a HP LaserJet 4L. Even more surprising; that's been a workhorse. Have you considered getting a refurb kit? It's not expensive, and includes replacements for most of the rubber parts that degrade over time--which might explain you issues, with this printer, at least. Cheers, -- Dave Ihnat dih...@dminet.com -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
ym joking today!
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Re: Yum update fails because of NetworkManager
On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 02:45:30PM +, Colin Paul Adams wrote: > Trying to do a yum update fails with this message: > > Public key for NetworkManager-0.7.0.99-3.fc10.x86_64.rpm is not installed This is a known problem and there are people working on it already -- a bug in the update pushing system as I understand it. I believe this will be resolved within a day. -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug pgppeYR5NDrtn.pgp Description: PGP signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: setting X server DPI
Tim: >> No. The DPI should be set to the values that actually represent the >> hardware. Tom Horsley > Actually, that attitude is the one that is utter nonsense. If you > want to get slavish about "actual representation", then you need to > know the distance of the viewer and specify font sizes by the angular > diameter the viewer will experience with the font :-). No, you don't. Certainly not from the point you'd advocate, of giving some false meaning to font sizes. Yes, if designing wall posters, or the like, you'd work out how it'd be viewed, then pick a font size that's appropriate to the thing. You wouldn't redefine 12 points to be something else so you could say that's 12 point text up there (when it most definitely is NOT), just because it seems the same as when I hold 12 point text on a sheet of A4 in my hands. In the case of posters, you might know that it's going to be read at five feet away, mostly front on, and usability guides might say that you should have 3 inch high text for certain parts of the text. You'd specify the height, and it'd work out the point size to use, the real point size, not some artificially made up thing. > The reason 96 should be the default is that 96 can at least be read > on every display device I've ever seen, so you'll at least be able > to see what your are doing while getting things set the way you > actually want them. The reason is just cargo cult mentality. > The "actual representation" of a 9 point font (a perfectly readable > size on a laser priner) makes about 3 or 4 pixels available to render > lower case letters on a 46 inch 1920x1080 HD display. Great fun trying > to navigate to the font settings dialog when all the menu items > are 4 pixels high. And that's what happens when you use measurement systems inappropriately. DPI has a real meaning, and so does "point" sizes. When you misuse one, then another, you compound the problem. Point sizes are *absolute*, specific "fractions of an inch," if you want a simple one-phrase explanation. The computer uses your DPI, combined with a description of the size of the display medium, to work out how many dots to use get text at the point size specified. i.e. 12 point text is the same size whether printed on 2 inches of paper, or 20 inches of paper. If you want to scale fonts to be readable at certain distances, of an *apparent* size, but not actually the same size on the different displays, THEN YOU DON'T SPECIFY SIZES IN POINTS! Specifying fonts in pixel sizes is the wrong way to go about it, for the same reasons. You can only use such font sizing schemes when designing graphics for a fixed size display. > Or consider Samsung HD displays. The one I just got has EDID info > that claims it is 160 x 90 millimeters - that gives 305 DPI as the > "actual representation" which makes the fonts so large the font > settings dialog won't fit on the screen. Your attempting to use a broken ruler to support broken facts. > Then there are projectors. You can't possibly tell what the > "actual representation" is because it depends on how far away the > screen it. That's where you're wrong. Firstly, you can tell the distance from the screen (given semi-decent hardware which actually takes note of the focus settings - focus is a distance-dependent thing). Knowing the optics and the distance, you can know the screen size (and therefore know the actual DPI - where you're changing the size, rather than the number of dots, this time). But still, as I said above, if you're expecting certain point size text to display at different sizes, then you're doing it wrong. You've got two choices at doing it right: Not using point sizes. Or not doing something stupid like wanting to specify 12 point text when you're going to do a projected display. > By all means let the actual representation fanatics set the DPI > to the actual representation if that is what they want, but for > Gods sake don't make it the default setting. Make the default > something everyone will be able to read. Make the default settings stop *misusing* printing systems. It's just pandering to the ignorant to call something 12 point text when it's not 12 point text, simply because people are used to it. Even when misused in the way that most people expect it, it doesn't work how you want it to work. 12 point text is different on one thing to another, whether you measure it with a ruler, or try playing scaling games for viewing distance. It's as bogus as Wattage stated in PMPO. As it stands, on computer software, when you pick 12 points, or even 12 pixels, for text, the unit is actually meaningless. It's 12 variable *somethings*. You might as well call it centimetres, then claim that we use different centimetres than everyone else. -- [...@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.15-78.2.23.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@r
Re: Evolution throwing away emails for one of my accounts ?
On Tue, 10 Mar 2009, Linuxguy123 wrote: How would I verify that Evolution isn't throwing away some of my emails ? The simple way would be to check the emails by another means. I have seen evolution "lose" and forget about large blocks of emails, but viewing them by alternate means show that they really are still there. It just means that evolutions indexes are messed up. Michael Young -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
