Board appointment
I am pleased to announce that Christopher Aillon will continue in his appointed seat on the Fedora Project Board for this cycle. His term will last until the selection process following the release of Fedora 14, in accordance with the Board's established succession planning. Christopher's presence on the Board has helped our discussions on a number of subjects over the past year, and I look forward to having him continue that relationship. Apologies for making this announcement slightly after the beginning of elections, due to the schedule change of elections and the intervening FUDCon activity. The remaining Board appointment will be made after the close of the Board elections. -- Paul W. Frields -- fedora-announce-list mailing list fedora-announce-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-announce-list
Fedora 13 release name
The Fedora 13 release name is: Goddard The full GPG-signed message from our election coordinator, Nigel Jones, is attached. Thank you to the community for their suggestions, the Board for their work on additional diligence searches, and Nigel Jones for setting up the voting. -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Election Results for Fedora 13 Release Name Voting Period: 28 November 2009 00:00:00 UTC to 04 December 2009 23:59:59 UTC Nominations: * Botany * Gloriana * Goddard * Langstrom * Loana * Manfredi * Truro Outcomes: As defined in the election text, the one (1) candidate with the greatest number of votes will be chosen as the Fedora 13 Release Name. Information: At close of voting there were: 313 valid ballots Using the Fedora Range Voting method, each candidate could attain a maximum of 2191 votes (313*7). Results: 1. Goddard 1177 - --[ Cut Off ] -- 2. Langstrom1009 3. Gloriana 977 4. Botany922 5. Loana 707 6. Truro 654 7. Manfredi 504 As such, Goddard has been selected as the release name for Fedora 13. Signed, Nigel Jones nigjo...@redhat.com Elections Administrator -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAksZtI8ACgkQZLzpFltXFOvglACgzSIKc0UZWhcfq5KRNdfxAmHQ ZPsAoKKF58Z6MOmftpDzPCvIhanUtjY5 =NJw9 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- fedora-announce-list mailing list fedora-announce-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-announce-list
v4l applications
There are some old v4l applications that do not work in Fedora 12. I found so far fmtools and gnomeradio. Gnomeradio accepts v4l2, but one has to use a gconf editor to change the driver (there is no option in the application interface). I tried to patch gnomerario, but I do not know how to force updating gconf database. I think that a new account should have the new defaults, but how do I force a change in a previously created account? Thanks. -- Paulo Roma Cavalcanti LCG - UFRJ -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: Orphaning gnome-common
On Fri, Dec 04, 2009 at 09:05:00AM -0500, Matthias Clasen wrote: On Fri, 2009-12-04 at 05:39 -0800, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: This is a heads up that I'm going to orphan gnome-common. I don't do any gtk programming anymore so it doesn't make sense for me to keep this package. mclasen has done several of the recently needed updates to this package; if he and the desktop team would like to take it over let me know; I'll do the packagedb magic to hand it over to them. I'll find someone to own it, probably not before fudcon though... Thank Matthias! Let me know. -Toshio pgp6XsjzCzIhO.pgp Description: PGP signature -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: Kernel-2.6.31.6-134 seems to have a bug on R600 DRM
interestingly i just updated a radeon hd4650 box to latest rawhide and the same error pops up again: [drm:r600_cs_packet_next_reloc_mm] *ERROR* No packet3 for relocation for packet at 45. [drm:r600_packet3_check] *ERROR* bad SET_CONTEXT_REG 0x28014 [drm:radeon_cs_ioctl] *ERROR* Invalid command stream ! kind regards, Rudolf Kastl -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: Upstart 0.6.3 coming to a rawhide near you
James Antill (ja...@fedoraproject.org) said: Does this mean that running dbus will be required to reboot/shutdown the system? No. The init daemon speaks the dbus protocol, and can be communicated with over the system daemon. But it can also be talked to directly. Looking at upstart-0.6.3-3.fc13.src.rpm, the specfile includes /sbin/shutdown etc. ... and looking at the tarball those seem to come from util/*.c. Which AFAICS require DBus to work. ... which does not *require* the system dbus daemon. Bill -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: v4l applications
On Saturday, 05 December 2009 at 15:48, Paulo Cavalcanti wrote: There are some old v4l applications that do not work in Fedora 12. I found so far fmtools and gnomeradio. Gnomeradio accepts v4l2, but one has to use a gconf editor to change the driver (there is no option in the application interface). I tried to patch gnomerario, but I do not know how to force updating gconf database. I think that a new account should have the new defaults, but how do I force a change in a previously created account? I'm the maintainer of gnomeradio, but I haven't used it for a while because I'm away from my desktop PC, which has an analog tv/radio tuner card. Would you be interested in co-maintaining gnomeradio? Regards, R. -- Fedora http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Rathann RPMFusion http://rpmfusion.org | MPlayer http://mplayerhq.hu Faith manages. -- Delenn to Lennier in Babylon 5:Confessions and Lamentations -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
[Bug 23981] cairo doesn't respect TrueType gasp tables (and fonts look ugly as a result)
http://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=23981 Nicolas Mailhot nicolas.mail...@laposte.net changed: What|Removed |Added CC||fedora-fonts-bugs- ||l...@redhat.com -- Configure bugmail: http://bugs.freedesktop.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Fedora-fonts-bugs-list mailing list Fedora-fonts-bugs-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-fonts-bugs-list
[Bug 23981] cairo doesn't respect TrueType gasp tables (and fonts look ugly as a result)
http://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=23981 --- Comment #4 from Ben Laenen bl.b...@gmail.com 2009-12-05 03:56:46 PST --- (In reply to comment #3) As an end user, I would prefer my fonts to render correctly instead of incorrectly. In any case there should be a way to override the font's gasp table. I personally favour seeing the few badly antialiased glyphs than seeing them all as bitmapped. -- Configure bugmail: http://bugs.freedesktop.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Fedora-fonts-bugs-list mailing list Fedora-fonts-bugs-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-fonts-bugs-list
[Bug 23981] cairo doesn't respect TrueType gasp tables (and fonts look ugly as a result)
http://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=23981 --- Comment #5 from Nicholas Miell nmi...@comcast.net 2009-12-05 10:38:53 PST --- (In reply to comment #4) (In reply to comment #3) As an end user, I would prefer my fonts to render correctly instead of incorrectly. In any case there should be a way to override the font's gasp table. I personally favour seeing the few badly antialiased glyphs than seeing them all as bitmapped. Antialiasing the font anyway but lying to the bytecode about whether the AA is being performed might be an interesting exercise. That can't be done at the cairo level, though. -- Configure bugmail: http://bugs.freedesktop.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Fedora-fonts-bugs-list mailing list Fedora-fonts-bugs-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-fonts-bugs-list
Intro ---Hi
Hello All, My name is Arun from INDIA, I've been using fedora at home/office since version FC 3. I'm a C and Java programmer. I have a little experience with Perl. I've worked as a Data Center/Infrastructure Engineer. I've worked with RH 7.3, 8, 9(testing project); RHES/AS 3, 4; FC 3,4,5,6; VxWorks Linux (Motorola Hardware testing project). Now I'm with HP working as a UX/LX Engineer. I'm also preparing my thesis in Cluster computing to register my Ph.D I'm not sure where I can start start helping. Looking forward to Infra Structure team. Regards *++Arun* *Quote:* Imagination is more than knowledge ___ Fedora-infrastructure-list mailing list Fedora-infrastructure-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-infrastructure-list
Re: F12 upgrade on lenova - desktop issues.
Thanks Steve! I'll give that a go. William - Steve O sobrien@gmail.com wrote: I had the same problem, I was able to fix it by using my xorg.conf from FC11 - you can generate one using system-config-display (by default FC11 and 12 do not use xorg.conf). Here is mine: # Xorg configuration created by system-config-display Section ServerLayout Identifier single head configuration Screen 0 Screen0 0 0 InputDeviceKeyboard0 CoreKeyboard EndSection Section InputDevice # keyboard added by rhpxl Identifier Keyboard0 Driver kbd Option XkbModel pc105+inet Option XkbLayout us EndSection Section Monitor Identifier Monitor0 ModelNameDell 2000FP (Digital) HorizSync31.5 - 80.0 VertRefresh 56.0 - 76.0 Option dpms EndSection Section Monitor Identifier Monitor1 ModelNameDell 2000FP (Digital) HorizSync31.5 - 80.0 VertRefresh 56.0 - 76.0 Option dpms EndSection Section Device Identifier Videocard0 Driver intel EndSection Section Screen Identifier Screen0 Device Videocard0 MonitorMonitor0 DefaultDepth 24 SubSection Display Viewport 0 0 Depth 24 Modes1600x1200 1280x800 1024x768 Virtual 3200 2400 EndSubSection EndSection -Original Message- From: fedora-laptop-list-boun...@redhat.com [mailto:fedora-laptop-list-boun...@redhat.com] On Behalf Of William Henry Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 3:33 PM To: fedora-laptop-list Subject: F12 upgrade on lenova - desktop issues. Hi, I upgraded to F12 using the preupgrade over the internet option. I had done this with F11 with great success. Now that I can see the working desktop it is looking pretty much the same as my F11 setup. However I have a problem when I reboot in my docking station with the external monitor and the laptop screen closed. F12 seems to continue to default to using the monitor as an extension rather than a mirror. Therefore in my docking station - neatly tucked in under my desk - I can't do any work. I've tried to undock and mess with the Desktop settings and force it to mirror (and apply and close) and then reinstall in my docking station and restarting. Still uses my monitor as an extension and my laptop is rendered useless. So I'm typing this with the laptop off my docking station. Anyone have any ideas? William ___ Fedora-laptop-list mailing list Fedora-laptop-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-laptop-list ___ Fedora-laptop-list mailing list Fedora-laptop-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-laptop-list
F12 and Epson Workforce 615
Hi Anyone know where I might get a driver that would allow me to use the Epson Workforce 615 Printer? (I think the 610 drivers would work) It would be nice if Fedora 12 actually could at least see it on the network first. But I'll still need some driver I'm sure. Best, William ___ Fedora-laptop-list mailing list Fedora-laptop-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-laptop-list
Re: [Fedora-legal-list] Fedora and MS-PL (Dynamic Language Runtime)
On Sat, 05 Dec 2009 13:31:28 -0500 saulgo...@flashingtwelve.brickfilms.com wrote: I won't speculate as to whether it was the intent of the authors of the Microsoft Public License to consider mere aggregation to be excluded from the scope of their reciprocal terms and conditions[14], but regardless of their intent it seems that lack of an exception being explicitly provided within the license itself may potentially lead to a court decision that inclusion of both MS-PLed and GPLed software within a Fedora distribution constitutes copyright infringement -- not because the terms of the GPL weren't met, but that those of the MS-PL were not met. I think you're arguing that we should consider the possibility that the MS-PL is what I'll call a 'hyper-strong' copyleft license, with a copyleft scope broader than that traditionally assumed by consensus of GPL-licensing communities to apply to the GPL, extending to combinations that would not have any copyleft implications in a GPL context, if only because of the latter's 'mere aggregation' clause.[1] The particular concern you have is that the MS-PL intended copyleft scope could extend to whole compilations in the copyright law sense, as for example all the code in a Fedora .iso that happens to contain one package licensed under MS-PL. There are a number of reasons, largely involving common sense and cultural intuition, why I think it is *extremely* unlikely that such an interpretation was intended by Microsoft (or other licensors using the MS-PL or would be adopted by such licensors or by a court construing this license. The likelihood is so remote that I think we can safely ignore it. However, if the issue continues to concern you, you may wish to contact Microsoft to get clarification from the horse's mouth. (Michele Herman at Microsoft's outside counsel firm Woodcock Washburn might be the best contact.) - Richard [1]Although I think the historical evidence shows that Richard Stallman added the mere aggregation clause to proto-versions of the GPL so he would stop getting questions about whether it was okay to distribute GNU software and unrelated proprietary software on the same tape, an issue he seems to have thought should have been obvious. -- Richard E. Fontana Open Source Licensing and Patent Counsel Red Hat, Inc. ___ Fedora-legal-list mailing list Fedora-legal-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-legal-list
Re: [Fedora-legal-list] Including of MARS code in cryptopp package
On 12/04/2009 01:38 PM, alekc...@googlemail.com wrote: Hi All, There is IBM implementation of MARS code in cryptopp 5.6.0 an it was removed from Fedora cryptopp package. But SVN 479 version of cryptopp contains mars.cpp that was written and placed in the public domain by Wei Dai. https://cryptopp.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/cryptopp/trunk/c5/mars.cpp Can we include this MARS code in Fedora cryptopp package? Well, it depends on where Wei Dai is a citizen. There are many places where it is not possible to put code into the Public Domain. I've sent him an email asking for clarification, but until we hear back, we should hold off on including this code. ~spot ___ Fedora-legal-list mailing list Fedora-legal-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-legal-list
su hangs for 30 seconds
As of a day or so ago su has started hanging for 30 seconds. So has the lock screen. Jiggling the mouse unblanks the monitor and shows me the backdrop picture but the password entry box doesn't appear for 30 seconds. I don't believe I mucked with anything PAM related, but there were a few yum updates in the last few days. Is anyone else seeing this? -wolfgang -- Wolfgang S. Rupprecht If the airwaves belong to the public why does the public only get 3 non-overlapping WIFI channels? -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: thoggen not loading
the latest updates (incl gstreamer-plugins-good.x86_64 0:0.10.17-3.fc12 ) seems to have fixed it. ( at least for thoggen) charles zeitler Do What Thou Wilt Shall Be The Whole of The Law -Aleister Crowley -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Difficulty setting up Fedora 12 screen
Strange. While my actual graphics hardware is listed (and was being used), I find that the Generic VESA-compliant video card is the one that works. I haven't a clue why but I intend to let sleeping dogs lie. Thanks for the response, Dick On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 2:04 PM, Greg Woods wo...@ucar.edu wrote: After installing Fedora 12 I am having problems setting up 1280x1024 screen resolution. Only 640x480 and 800x600 are available. Did you try booting with the nomodeset kernel option? That worked for me. --Greg -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: dd question, what am I doing wrong?
On Fri, 2009-12-04 at 16:13 -0800, Daniel B. Thurman wrote: The problem I have specifically with rsync (or tar, or cp) is that it does not save ACLs, file attributes too well, and so on that I gave up using it. Perhaps the problem in this case is not to use the -a option but to use the manual options to save everything about the files that you can. Specifically: rsync manual: -a, --archivearchive mode; equals -rlptgoD (no -H,-A,-X) -H, --hard-links preserve hard links -A, --acls preserve ACLs (implies -p) -X, --xattrs preserve extended attributes Do you mean that you've tried these (particularly -A and -X) and they don't work? If so, have you filed a bug report? Also, have you looked at [1] wrt copying while maintaining SElinux contexts? [1] http://docs.fedoraproject.org/selinux-user-guide/f10/en-US/sect-Security-Enhanced_Linux-Working_with_SELinux-Maintaining_SELinux_Labels_.html poc -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
No system-config-display ?
I just installed [yum] system-config-display and get the following message when I try to use it: [b...@box9 ~]$ system-config-display (xconf.py:4947): Gdk-WARNING **: DESKTOP_STARTUP_ID contains invalid UTF-8 Traceback (most recent call last): File /usr/share/system-config-display/xconf.py, line 376, in module dialog = xConfigDialog.XConfigDialog(hardware_state, xconfig, rhpxl.videocard.VideoCardInfo()) File /usr/share/system-config-display/xConfigDialog.py, line 641, in __init__ if len(self.xconfig.layout[0].adjacencies) 1: IndexError: index out-of-bounds All I want to do is determine what display parameters I am using? What's wrong here? Bob -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: No system-config-display ?
On 12/05/2009 08:44 PM, Bob Goodwin wrote: I just installed [yum] system-config-display and get the following message when I try to use it: All I want to do is determine what display parameters I am using? What's wrong here? Bob yum install system-config-display I had to do this Roger -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: No system-config-display ?
Bob Goodwin wrote: I just installed [yum] system-config-display and get the following message when I try to use it: [b...@box9 ~]$ system-config-display (xconf.py:4947): Gdk-WARNING **: DESKTOP_STARTUP_ID contains invalid UTF-8 Traceback (most recent call last): File /usr/share/system-config-display/xconf.py, line 376, in module dialog = xConfigDialog.XConfigDialog(hardware_state, xconfig, rhpxl.videocard.VideoCardInfo()) File /usr/share/system-config-display/xConfigDialog.py, line 641, in __init__ if len(self.xconfig.layout[0].adjacencies) 1: IndexError: index out-of-bounds All I want to do is determine what display parameters I am using? What's wrong here? Bob Well...FWIW, it works here fine on a fully updated F12 in both KDE and GNOME sessions. The GNOME session does have the following set [gno...@f12 ~]$ env | grep DESK IMSETTINGS_INTEGRATE_DESKTOP=yes DESKTOP_SESSION=gnome GNOME_DESKTOP_SESSION_ID=this-is-deprecated Maybe you should check yours and see if there is another environment variable of DESKTOP_STARTUP_ID set with some weird characters? Ed -- If people drank ink instead of Schlitz, they'd be better off. -- Edward E. Hippensteel [What brand of ink? Ed.] Guess Who! http://tinyurl.com/mc4xe7 signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: No system-config-display ?
On 06/12/09 04:49, Roger wrote: On 12/05/2009 08:44 PM, Bob Goodwin wrote: I just installed [yum] system-config-display and get the following message when I try to use it: All I want to do is determine what display parameters I am using? What's wrong here? Bob yum install system-config-display I had to do this Roger Yes, I did that but it does not work? I should have mentioned this box is still F-11. [b...@box9 ~]$ system-config-display (xconf.py:4947): Gdk-WARNING **: DESKTOP_STARTUP_ID contains invalid UTF-8 Traceback (most recent call last): File /usr/share/system-config-display/xconf.py, line 376, in module dialog = xConfigDialog.XConfigDialog(hardware_state, xconfig, rhpxl.videocard.VideoCardInfo()) File /usr/share/system-config-display/xConfigDialog.py, line 641, in __init__ if len(self.xconfig.layout[0].adjacencies) 1: IndexError: index out-of-bounds -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: No system-config-display ?
On 05/12/09 04:56, Ed Greshko wrote: Well...FWIW, it works here fine on a fully updated F12 in both KDE and GNOME sessions. The GNOME session does have the following set [gno...@f12 ~]$ env | grep DESK IMSETTINGS_INTEGRATE_DESKTOP=yes DESKTOP_SESSION=gnome GNOME_DESKTOP_SESSION_ID=this-is-deprecated Maybe you should check yours and see if there is another environment variable of DESKTOP_STARTUP_ID set with some weird characters? Ed I should have said this is F-11/XFCE. I don't have the F-12 box running at the moment ... [b...@box9 ~]$ env | grep DESK IMSETTINGS_INTEGRATE_DESKTOP=yes Bob -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
how to list hardware manufacturer?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Bonjour, I would like to list the hardware manufacturers for some hardware installed on my computer (namely: cd drives and ram). lspci does not give info about these hw. lshw, does not give the manufacturer dmidecode does not give the manufacturer Is there a tool which is able to do that, or a file in /etc (or elsewhere)? Thanks for attention. - -- François Patte UFR de mathématiques et informatique Université Paris Descartes 45, rue des Saints Pères F-75270 Paris Cedex 06 Tél. +33 (0)1 4286 2145 http://www.math-info.univ-paris5.fr/~patte -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAksaNZkACgkQdE6C2dhV2JUVPwCgx1girttdjzPo83vZ4lur8q4a 6pUAn1wnFNqgxXq1vVTNt3PF4QtPm1UJ =ZmIj -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: No system-config-display ?
Bob Goodwin wrote: I should have said this is F-11/XFCE. I don't have the F-12 box running at the moment ... [b...@box9 ~]$ env | grep DESK IMSETTINGS_INTEGRATE_DESKTOP=yes Bob OK From my fully updated F11 system and running XFCE [egres...@f11 ~]$ env | grep DESK IMSETTINGS_INTEGRATE_DESKTOP=yes DESKTOP_SESSION=xfce4 And it works. Ed -- Publishing a volume of verse is like dropping a rose petal down the Grand Canyon and waiting for the echo. Guess Who! http://tinyurl.com/mc4xe7 signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: how to list hardware manufacturer?
Around 10:27am on Saturday, December 05, 2009 (UK time), François Patte scrawled: I would like to list the hardware manufacturers for some hardware installed on my computer (namely: cd drives and ram). lspci does not give info about these hw. lshw, does not give the manufacturer dmidecode does not give the manufacturer Is there a tool which is able to do that, or a file in /etc (or elsewhere)? It's not command line, but palimpsest (Applications - System Tools - Disk Utility) will give you drive manufacturer. Steve -- (o www.stevesearle.com //\ Powered by Fedora V_/_No MS products were used in the creation of this message 11:10:10 up 10:36, 1 user, load average: 0.01, 0.11, 0.08 pgpi79p2Eo3gl.pgp Description: PGP signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: how to list hardware manufacturer?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Le 05/12/2009 12:12, Steve Searle a écrit : Around 10:27am on Saturday, December 05, 2009 (UK time), François Patte scrawled: I would like to list the hardware manufacturers for some hardware installed on my computer (namely: cd drives and ram). lspci does not give info about these hw. lshw, does not give the manufacturer dmidecode does not give the manufacturer Is there a tool which is able to do that, or a file in /etc (or elsewhere)? It's not command line, but palimpsest (Applications - System Tools - Disk Utility) will give you drive manufacturer. Thanks, but I am unable to use this: L'application usermount s'est arrêtée brutalement. usermount stopped unexpectedly report a bug, etc. I won't report any bug for a soon obsolete version of fedora (f10). Is there really no command line? These graphical apps make me crazy: either you don't have what you want, or incomplete info, or they are buggy, as it is the case for me now F. - -- François Patte UFR de mathématiques et informatique Université Paris Descartes 45, rue des Saints Pères F-75270 Paris Cedex 06 Tél. +33 (0)1 4286 2145 http://www.math-info.univ-paris5.fr/~patte -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAksaStcACgkQdE6C2dhV2JXYXwCgm+fRPMEQYVzzGK3/jsUNzD2K DScAn2DgB6q9Iq0U+sp4Kn5H8R461Bj1 =BaWr -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: su hangs for 30 seconds
2009/12/5 Wolfgang S. Rupprecht wolfgang.ruppre...@gmail.com: As of a day or so ago su has started hanging for 30 seconds. So has the lock screen. Jiggling the mouse unblanks the monitor and shows me the backdrop picture but the password entry box doesn't appear for 30 seconds. I don't believe I mucked with anything PAM related, but there were a few yum updates in the last few days. Is anyone else seeing this? -wolfgang -- Wolfgang S. Rupprecht If the airwaves belong to the public why does the public only get 3 non-overlapping WIFI channels? I have the same problem for a couple of month (don't remember exactly how long it is) on my F11 (32 bit). I've asked it already on this list but had no response. -- Hiisi. Registered Linux User #487982. Be counted at: http://counter.li.org/ -- Spandex is a privilege, not a right. -- SIP: hi...@ekiga.net -- pub 1024D/085B139A -- Powered by Fedora: http://fedoraproject.org/ -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: su hangs for 30 seconds
On 12/05/2009 01:32 PM, Hiisi wrote: 2009/12/5 Wolfgang S. Rupprechtwolfgang.ruppre...@gmail.com: As of a day or so ago su has started hanging for 30 seconds. So has the lock screen. Jiggling the mouse unblanks the monitor and shows me the backdrop picture but the password entry box doesn't appear for 30 seconds. I don't believe I mucked with anything PAM related, but there were a few yum updates in the last few days. Is anyone else seeing this? -wolfgang -- Wolfgang S. Rupprecht If the airwaves belong to the public why does the public only get 3 non-overlapping WIFI channels? I have the same problem for a couple of month (don't remember exactly how long it is) on my F11 (32 bit). I've asked it already on this list but had no response. I had similar problems in the past (with sudo / not su), and the reason was an error in the network controls (I tried to change the hostname by editing /etc/sysconfig/network, but forgot all other places to edit). Regards -- Joachim Backes joachim.bac...@rhrk.uni-kl.de http://www.rhrk.uni-kl.de/~backes smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: No system-config-display ?
On 05/12/09 05:30, Ed Greshko wrote: Bob Goodwin wrote: I should have said this is F-11/XFCE. I don't have the F-12 box running at the moment ... [b...@box9 ~]$ env | grep DESK IMSETTINGS_INTEGRATE_DESKTOP=yes Bob OK From my fully updated F11 system and running XFCE [egres...@f11 ~]$ env | grep DESK IMSETTINGS_INTEGRATE_DESKTOP=yes DESKTOP_SESSION=xfce4 And it works. Ed I must admit I don't know how to change env and man env is not helping. I did : env DESKTOP_SESSION=xfce4 but that did not make it work. It asks for pasword and then comes up with the error message. I even tried re-booting the computer from poweroff. I started the F-12 computer and did yum install system-config-display and it does work as expected. Well I'm nearly at the point of updating this computer to F-12 too so it's moot I guess. Just waiting to see if there is an F-12 Omega livecd. I would like to know how to change/add to the environment though? Guess google will tell me that if no one else does ... Thanks for the help. Bob -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Getting rid of /boot
Matthew Saltzman wrote: Actually, the complexity is that Fedora for some insane reason still defaults to using LVM for everything *other* than /boot. This brings no benefit to most users. Well, it means I can have separate filesystems for things that I don't want overwritten if I reinstall (/home, /usr/local, /opt, /var/www, etc.) That's only 4, or 7 with / , /boot and swap. How do you get up to 15? In any case, the default partitioning doesn't give you 15 partitions, so this seems an odd reason for recommending it. -- Timothy Murphy e-mail: gayleard /at/ eircom.net tel: +353-86-2336090, +353-1-2842366 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Getting rid of /boot
Ryan Lynch wrote: Actually, the complexity is that Fedora for some insane reason still defaults to using LVM for everything *other* than /boot. This brings no benefit to most users. With all due respect, the fact that one of us can't imagine the need for some technology doesn't say much, one way or another, about whether a general use case exists. In general, I find this attitude amusing, but you may have a point W.R.T. LVM. As far as I can see, the poster was not objecting to LVM per se; he was simply asserting that it should not be the default, which I agree with. I was an LVM fan for some time, but ran into an insoluble problem a couple of years ago, where some kind of corruption preventing me accessing my LVM partitions. I came to the conclusion that the disadvantages of LVM far outweighed the advantages. -- Timothy Murphy e-mail: gayleard /at/ eircom.net tel: +353-86-2336090, +353-1-2842366 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: No system-config-display ?
On Saturday 05 December 2009 13:18:06 Bob Goodwin wrote: I must admit I don't know how to change env and man env is not helping. I did : env DESKTOP_SESSION=xfce4 export DESKTOP_SESSION=xfce4 Read the man bash, search for export keyword. HTH, :-) Marko -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Getting rid of /boot
Wolfgang S. Rupprecht wrote: But the point is taken. There seem to be quite a few posts from folks that make their lives needlessly complex by mucking with the defaults and that ends up breaking something downstream. Are you saying that something is broken downstream if you don't use LVM? With respect, that is nonsense. -- Timothy Murphy e-mail: gayleard /at/ eircom.net tel: +353-86-2336090, +353-1-2842366 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: No system-config-display ?
Bob Goodwin wrote: I must admit I don't know how to change env and man env is not helping. I did : env DESKTOP_SESSION=xfce4 but that did not make it work. It asks for pasword and then comes up with the error message. I even tried re-booting the computer from poweroff. I started the F-12 computer and did yum install system-config-display and it does work as expected. Well I'm nearly at the point of updating this computer to F-12 too so it's moot I guess. Just waiting to see if there is an F-12 Omega livecd. I would like to know how to change/add to the environment though? Guess google will tell me that if no one else does ... Thanks for the help. FWIW, I am pretty sure I was barking up the wrong tree. It seems that DESKTOP_STARTUP_ID is actually related to Xorg than anything elseand it is too late and I've got to get up too early to really delve into it. http://standards.freedesktop.org/desktop-entry-spec/desktop-entry-spec-latest.html It would seem that you've always started system-config-display as a normal user. I'd be curious if you'd first su - if the same error would occur. Also, FWIW, there were several bugzilla's for various system-config-* utils with the same error message. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: No system-config-display ?
Am Samstag, den 05.12.2009, 04:44 -0500 schrieb Bob Goodwin: I just installed [yum] system-config-display and get the following message when I try to use it: [b...@box9 ~]$ system-config-display (xconf.py:4947): Gdk-WARNING **: DESKTOP_STARTUP_ID contains invalid UTF-8 Traceback (most recent call last): File /usr/share/system-config-display/xconf.py, line 376, in module dialog = xConfigDialog.XConfigDialog(hardware_state, xconfig, rhpxl.videocard.VideoCardInfo()) File /usr/share/system-config-display/xConfigDialog.py, line 641, in __init__ if len(self.xconfig.layout[0].adjacencies) 1: IndexError: index out-of-bounds This is https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=480534 All I want to do is determine what display parameters I am using? use xrandr What's wrong here? I guess you are using the proprietary nvidia driver. Bob Regards, Christopg -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Getting rid of /boot
On Saturday 05 December 2009 13:43:52 Timothy Murphy wrote: Matthew Saltzman wrote: Actually, the complexity is that Fedora for some insane reason still defaults to using LVM for everything *other* than /boot. This brings no benefit to most users. Well, it means I can have separate filesystems for things that I don't want overwritten if I reinstall (/home, /usr/local, /opt, /var/www, etc.) That's only 4, or 7 with / , /boot and swap. How do you get up to 15? Multiboot with various Windows, Ubuntu's, other Fedora's? Each should have its own /, at least. That said, if one does not work in multi-platform software development, I totally agree that cluttering the disk with all that stuff is very ugly, at the very least. These days virtual machines are much cleaner and easier to maintain than multiboot setups. Best, :-) Marko -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: No system-config-display ?
On 05/12/09 08:53, Marko Vojinovic wrote: export DESKTOP_SESSION=xfce4 Read the man bash, search for export keyword. HTH, :-) Marko Yes, that helps. I should have added that the F-12 computer does not have that line, is like this F-11 box. The F-12 box works as expected, but this one does not even after the command export DESKTOP_SESSION=xfce4. Thanks Bob -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: su/kdesu not working
On Monday November 9 2009 18:47:30 you wrote: Dj YB wrote: # strace -u foo -f su - wow that was incredibly long output the important line was about 1023 times repeating [pid 24172] close(3) = 0 [pid 24172] close(4) = 0 [pid 24172] close(5) = -1 (EBADF) bad file descriptor [pid 24172] close(6) = -1 (EBADF) bad file descriptor [pid 24172] close(7) = -1 (EBADF) bad file descriptor [pid 24172] close(8) = -1 (EBADF) bad file descriptor ... [pid 24172] close(1023) = -1 (EBADF) bad file descriptor that was before and after the password entering step. any idea what to do next? it seems like a filesystem problem No, that is not a significant part. This is just a new process starting and doing a let me close every file descriptor they passed me function. It actually closes only 3 and 4 as the others are not opened (closing them fails because they are simply not open). Your problem is somewhere else. Try to see what happens before the access denied message. thanks i found some lines that look suspicious 8854 open(/etc/shadow, O_RDONLY|O_CLOEXEC) = -1 EACCES (Permission denied) and this are the last lines, I really don't know where to look, I can't tell what line indicate a failure... ... 8843 getuid32()= 500 8843 close(4) = 0 8843 munmap(0x5ad000, 6256)= 0 8843 munmap(0x11, 14844) = 0 8843 munmap(0xf31000, 100768) = 0 8843 munmap(0xd4, 121836) = 0 8843 munmap(0x7f0d000, 108520) = 0 8843 munmap(0x114000, 12716) = 0 8843 munmap(0x958000, 5972)= 0 8843 munmap(0xf6b000, 7912)= 0 8843 munmap(0x3ab000, 6264)= 0 8843 munmap(0x4fd000, 12684) = 0 8843 munmap(0xd84000, 196956) = 0 8843 munmap(0xa98000, 294732) = 0 8843 munmap(0x118000, 46784) = 0 8843 munmap(0x1ce000, 4456)= 0 8843 munmap(0x124000, 15776) = 0 8843 munmap(0x6c6000, 15736) = 0 8843 open(/usr/share/locale/en_US.UTF-8/LC_MESSAGES/coreutils.mo, O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) 8843 open(/usr/share/locale/en_US.utf8/LC_MESSAGES/coreutils.mo, O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) 8843 open(/usr/share/locale/en_US/LC_MESSAGES/coreutils.mo, O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) 8843 open(/usr/share/locale/en.UTF-8/LC_MESSAGES/coreutils.mo, O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) 8843 open(/usr/share/locale/en.utf8/LC_MESSAGES/coreutils.mo, O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) 8843 open(/usr/share/locale/en/LC_MESSAGES/coreutils.mo, O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) 8843 write(2, su: ..., 4)= 4 8843 write(2, incorrect password..., 18) = 18 8843 write(2, \n..., 1) = 1 8843 close(1) = 0 8843 close(2) = 0 8843 exit_group(1) = ? -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Getting rid of /boot
On Saturday 05 December 2009 13:52:36 Timothy Murphy wrote: Wolfgang S. Rupprecht wrote: But the point is taken. There seem to be quite a few posts from folks that make their lives needlessly complex by mucking with the defaults and that ends up breaking something downstream. Are you saying that something is broken downstream if you don't use LVM? With respect, that is nonsense. And I was just about to ask what exactly is broken downstream... :-) I've been driving several Fedora versions on several machines for several years now with a custom-partitioned disks (simple setups, typically just swap, / and /home, no LVM or anything such), and nothing downstream seemed broken, ever. AFAICS, it is completely safe to not use LVM if you know you won't be resizing partitions afterwards. And life is simpler if the hard drive starts dying or something... ;-) Best, :-) Marko -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: youtue problem-SOLVED
On Sat, 2009-12-05 at 09:55 +0530, Jatin K wrote: On 12/05/2009 05:36 AM, Aaron Konstam wrote: When I try to run a youtube video in my newly installed F12 I get the following error message. You have Javascript disabled or an old version of Adobe flash player. Neither statement is true. What can I do to fix things? -- === Trust in Allah, but tie your camel. -- Arabian proverb === Aaron Konstam telephone: (210) 656-0355 e-mail: akons...@sbcglobal.net it looks like you have not installed flash plugin install flash plugin may your problem will be solved ( visit following site download autoten it will do the job) http://dnmouse.org -- °v° /(_)\ ^ ^ Jatin Khatri No MS Well you are right but I don't understand why. When you install Adobe Flash from the web site you are given several choices to do the install flash. I chose YUM Linux which I have done before. It said it worked but it did not. Finally II did the installation using the tar-gz method which worked. -- === Riches cover a multitude of woes. -- Menander === Aaron Konstam telephone: (210) 656-0355 e-mail: akons...@sbcglobal.net -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: No system-config-display ?
On 05/12/09 08:57, Christoph Wickert wrote: Am Samstag, den 05.12.2009, 04:44 -0500 schrieb Bob Goodwin: This is https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=480534 All I want to do is determine what display parameters I am using? use xrandr What's wrong here? I guess you are using the proprietary nvidia driver. Bob Regards, Christopg No I believe this on board video uses an ATI chip? It looks like I am not alone, just a late comer to the discovery of a known problem described in that bug. But it did offer /usr/bin/gnome-display=properties which provides the information I was looking for [1680 x 1050] as well as does xrandr: [b...@box9 ~]$ xrandr Screen 0: minimum 320 x 200, current 1680 x 1050, maximum 4096 x 4096 VGA1 connected 1680x1050+0+0 (normal left inverted right x axis y axis) 433mm x 271mm 1680x1050 60.0*+ 1280x1024 75.0 1024x768 75.1 70.1 60.0 832x62474.6 800x60072.2 75.0 60.3 56.2 640x48072.8 75.0 66.7 60.0 720x40070.1 Thanks. Bob -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: No system-config-display ?
On 05/12/09 08:56, Ed Greshko wrote:FWIW, I am pretty sure I was barking up the wrong tree. It seems that DESKTOP_STARTUP_ID is actually related to Xorg than anything elseand it is too late and I've got to get up too early to really delve into it. http://standards.freedesktop.org/desktop-entry-spec/desktop-entry-spec-latest.html It would seem that you've always started system-config-display as a normal user. I'd be curious if you'd first su - if the same error would occur. Also, FWIW, there were several bugzilla's for various system-config-* utils with the same error message. I crawled out from under my 'lectric blanket at 03:00 to investigate this ... I su'd to root and the results were the same. It's a recognized problem and probably not worth further investigation at this time. Thank you. Bob -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Getting rid of /boot
On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 8:17 AM, Marko Vojinovic vvma...@gmail.com wrote: On Saturday 05 December 2009 13:52:36 Timothy Murphy wrote: Wolfgang S. Rupprecht wrote: But the point is taken. There seem to be quite a few posts from folks that make their lives needlessly complex by mucking with the defaults and that ends up breaking something downstream. Are you saying that something is broken downstream if you don't use LVM? With respect, that is nonsense. And I was just about to ask what exactly is broken downstream... :-) I've been driving several Fedora versions on several machines for several years now with a custom-partitioned disks (simple setups, typically just swap, / and /home, no LVM or anything such), and nothing downstream seemed broken, ever. AFAICS, it is completely safe to not use LVM if you know you won't be resizing partitions afterwards. And life is simpler if the hard drive starts dying or something... ;-) Assuming the LVM or no-LVM decision is not negotiable, perhaps it would be better to work on improving tools such as system-config-lvm to abstract less experienced users from the complexity? While s-c-lvm is functional it has a lot of room for improvement. One problem in particular I ran into is that if you use s-c-lvm to create a volume group on a new disk it creates a whole disk volume group which is still incompatible with anaconda. Since the LVM wiki recommends creating a partition first I submitted a bug against s-c-lvm which was summarily closed since it is technically a problem with anaconda. Now two Fedora releases later I still have to install with the default /home and map it in manually. Sorry I'm heading off topic into a rant but I find it frustrating that there is a compatibility issue between two redhat/fedora applications that is still a problem a year later. I know it's not a problem many people will run into but the fact one program does something that creates an incompatibility with another program from the same company/group to me should make it important to fix. Anyway, I'm done, I feel better, now back to our regularly scheduled topic... Richard -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Getting rid of /boot
On Sat, 5 Dec 2009 14:04:05 + Marko Vojinovic wrote: That said, if one does not work in multi-platform software development, I totally agree that cluttering the disk with all that stuff is very ugly, at the very least. These days virtual machines are much cleaner and easier to maintain than multiboot setups. Yea, but the reason we made a multi-boot system at work was to compare the performance of real hardware to virtual machines. Running testbeds for for our tools (especially the debugger) seems to disclose lots of funny behavior (especially on what is now an older version of xen). KVM seems to be much less screwy. I definitely think upgrading the old xen machine to a newer OS and kvm will be something we want to do soon. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Getting rid of /boot
On Sat, 5 Dec 2009 08:39:10 -0600 Richard Shaw wrote: Assuming the LVM or no-LVM decision is not negotiable, perhaps it would be better to work on improving tools such as system-config-lvm to abstract less experienced users from the complexity? While s-c-lvm is functional it has a lot of room for improvement. Or maybe just work on improving the quality of the cryptic jargon so people don't just throw up their hands when presented with yet another linux new and therefore better 89 degree slope learning curve :-). -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Getting rid of /boot
On Fri, 2009-12-04 at 20:17 -0500, Ryan Lynch wrote: On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 20:13, Matthew Saltzman m...@clemson.edu wrote: Well, it means I can have separate filesystems for things that I don't want overwritten if I reinstall (/home, /usr/local, /opt, /var/www, etc.) and I can dynamically resize them if they get unbalanced. That's pretty useful. Out of curiousity, what filesystem do you use to get dynamic shrinking? Sorry if I wasn't clear--by dynamic I didn't mean online, though AFAICT from reading docs, ext filesystems can be resized online. But I can shrink an ext filesystem and the LV that contains it, then expand a different LV and the fielsystem on it, without having to move the partitions so that the space is contiguous. Way more convenient than the alternative. -Ryan -- Matthew Saltzman Clemson University Math Sciences mjs AT clemson DOT edu http://www.math.clemson.edu/~mjs -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: how to list hardware manufacturer?
On 12/05/2009 04:27 AM, François Patte wrote: Bonjour, I would like to list the hardware manufacturers for some hardware installed on my computer (namely: cd drives and ram). Tape a look at hdparm -I and sdparm for the drives. Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Is anybody using screentoaster with Fedora 12?
Greetings, I am running Fedora 12 x86_64 and I have noticed that I cannot use www.screentoaster.com. The java app used to make screencasts starts, seems to run, but I cannot stop it or control it in any way. For example, there is a pop-up windows to set the audio: if I try to click on the button which should authorize the applet to get audio from my microphone, nothing happens. The pop-up window remains there. I am running firefox-3.5.5-1.fc12.x86_64 and these Java packages: [ma...@polaris ~]$ rpm -qa | grep -i java java-1.6.0-openjdk-1.6.0.0-33.b16.fc12.x86_64 java-1.6.0-openjdk-plugin-1.6.0.0-33.b16.fc12.x86_64 tzdata-java-2009o-2.fc12.noarch java-1.5.0-gcj-1.5.0.0-29.fc12.x86_64 java_cup-0.10k-3.x86_64 Should I disinstall them and use the Sun's version? Alternatively, what could I do to get more info about the problem? Thanks, Marco -- Ninux: here's why you too may need your neighborhood Internet: http://stop.zona-m.net/node/47 -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Getting rid of /boot
On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 5:15 PM, Daniel B. Thurman d...@cdkkt.com wrote: On SATA, it is 15. On IDE it's 24? Not sure about PATA. I'd like to see documentation supporting the idea that the data structures ON the disk are somehow tied to the underlying interface technology, please. -- Marc Wilson m...@cox.net -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Getting rid of /boot
On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 5:50 AM, Timothy Murphy gayle...@eircom.net wrote: As far as I can see, the poster was not objecting to LVM per se; he was simply asserting that it should not be the default, which I agree with. The original objection was mine, and that is absolutely correct. Just because some technology exists, is not a good and sufficient reason to use it as a default. LVM brings nothing but confusion to most users. -- Marc Wilson m...@cox.net -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: how to list hardware manufacturer?
On 12/05/2009 04:27 AM, François Patte wrote: Bonjour, I would like to list the hardware manufacturers for some hardware installed on my computer (namely: cd drives and ram). lspci does not give info about these hw. lshw, does not give the manufacturer dmidecode does not give the manufacturer Is there a tool which is able to do that, or a file in /etc (or elsewhere)? Thanks for attention. smoltSendProfile Select (V) after it starts up to view the hardware list. You can then continue on to upload it to the database. Here's the hardware list for my computer: http://www.smolts.org/client/show/pub_e5eef396-fa46-4e60-9415-f6195093876a -- Steve -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Getting rid of /boot
On Saturday 05 December 2009, Timothy Murphy wrote: Wolfgang S. Rupprecht wrote: But the point is taken. There seem to be quite a few posts from folks that make their lives needlessly complex by mucking with the defaults and that ends up breaking something downstream. Are you saying that something is broken downstream if you don't use LVM? With respect, that is nonsense. Folderol even. My objection to LVM is two fold. 1. It won't allow one to save things in the /home tree when doing an upgrade or re-install. I have an almost 10GB corpus of email, and several scripts that are needed for my daily operations that need to be preserved. LVM makes that impossible. 2. Its another point of failure that will indeed fail at some point. Every LVM install I've let anaconda do, has led to a failure and a total re-install at some point. The last was a drive failure, but I was able to rsync the important stuff to another fresh drive with 8 or 9 partitions I setup with gparted, moved the drive to sda, ran a fresh grub-install and everything is ok. The machine is noticeably faster too without the LVM crap between a button click and results. LVM is a solution looking for a problem I've never had, and its a solution that is way too easily contaminated IMNSHO. As for the subject line, you would have to be out of your mind to want to expose /boot to the various illnesses LVM can be infected with entirely too easily. -- Cheers, Gene There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order. -Ed Howdershelt (Author) The NRA is offering FREE Associate memberships to anyone who wants them. https://www.nrahq.org/nrabonus/accept-membership.asp Espy be careful, some twit might quote you Espy out of context... -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Getting rid of /boot
On 12/04/2009 06:49 PM, Marc Wilson wrote: On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 4:19 PM, Tom Horsley tom.hors...@att.net wrote: Because you can only have a max of 15 partitions on a disk without using LVM? The maximum number is 24, not 15. From devices.txt in the kernel documentation: 3 blockFirst MFM, RLL and IDE hard disk/CD-ROM interface 0 = /dev/hdaMaster: whole disk (or CD-ROM) 64 = /dev/hdbSlave: whole disk (or CD-ROM) For partitions, add to the whole disk device number: 0 = /dev/hd? Whole disk 1 = /dev/hd?1First partition 2 = /dev/hd?2Second partition ... 63 = /dev/hd?63 63rd partition For Linux/i386, partitions 1-4 are the primary partitions, and 5 and above are logical partitions. Other versions of Linux use partitioning schemes appropriate to their respective architectures. 8 blockSCSI disk devices (0-15) 0 = /dev/sdaFirst SCSI disk whole disk 16 = /dev/sdbSecond SCSI disk whole disk 32 = /dev/sdcThird SCSI disk whole disk ... 240 = /dev/sdpSixteenth SCSI disk whole disk Partitions are handled in the same way as for IDE disks (see major number 3) except that the limit on partitions is 15. Because the drives are using the SCSI high level driver, any partition above 15 will not be recognized by Fedora. Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Getting rid of /boot
On Sat, 2009-12-05 at 11:30 -0500, Gene Heskett wrote: Folderol even. My objection to LVM is two fold. 1. It won't allow one to save things in the /home tree when doing an upgrade or re-install. I have an almost 10GB corpus of email, and several scripts that are needed for my daily operations that need to be preserved. LVM makes that impossible. Can you elaborate? I use LVM on all my systems, and whenever I move to a new Fedora release I carry the old /home tree forward to the new installation. Wayne. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Getting rid of /boot
On 12/05/2009 10:08 AM, Marc Wilson wrote: On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 5:15 PM, Daniel B. Thurman d...@cdkkt.com wrote: On SATA, it is 15. On IDE it's 24? Not sure about PATA. I'd like to see documentation supporting the idea that the data structures ON the disk are somehow tied to the underlying interface technology, please. They are not. But the high level driver only supports x number of partitions. Because the SCSI top level drivers are being used, only 15 partitions are usable, regardless of the number being defined. Also, the DOS partition table is not the only one supported. You can also access the drive without any partition table. You will find that you can format /dev/sdb, and then mount /dev/sdb on a mount point. I used /dev/sdb, but you can do it with any drive. But because most people have their Linux install already on /dev/sda, using /dev/sda would cause problems... :) Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: youtue problem-SOLVED
Am Samstag, den 05.12.2009, 08:21 -0600 schrieb Aaron Konstam: On Sat, 2009-12-05 at 09:55 +0530, Jatin K wrote: On 12/05/2009 05:36 AM, Aaron Konstam wrote: When I try to run a youtube video in my newly installed F12 I get the following error message. You have Javascript disabled or an old version of Adobe flash player. Neither statement is true. What can I do to fix things? -- === Trust in Allah, but tie your camel. -- Arabian proverb === Aaron Konstam telephone: (210) 656-0355 e-mail: akons...@sbcglobal.net it looks like you have not installed flash plugin install flash plugin may your problem will be solved ( visit following site download autoten it will do the job) http://dnmouse.org -- °v° /(_)\ ^ ^ Jatin Khatri No MS Well you are right but I don't understand why. When you install Adobe Flash from the web site you are given several choices to do the install flash. I chose YUM Linux which I have done before. It said it worked but it did not. Finally II did the installation using the tar-gz method which worked. -- === Riches cover a multitude of woes. -- Menander === Aaron Konstam telephone: (210) 656-0355 e-mail: akons...@sbcglobal.net The yum package does not contain the Flash player itself, it just configures the Adobe repository. After you installed this package you should've done a yum install flash-plugin. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Getting rid of /boot
On Saturday 05 December 2009, Wayne Feick wrote: On Sat, 2009-12-05 at 11:30 -0500, Gene Heskett wrote: Folderol even. My objection to LVM is two fold. 1. It won't allow one to save things in the /home tree when doing an upgrade or re-install. I have an almost 10GB corpus of email, and several scripts that are needed for my daily operations that need to be preserved. LVM makes that impossible. Can you elaborate? I use LVM on all my systems, and whenever I move to a new Fedora release I carry the old /home tree forward to the new installation. Wayne. And just how do you do that? The last time I tried to save /home, anaconda would not proceed until I checked the format it box. As I'm an alpha test site for amanda, the recovery was doable and was done, but what kind of twisted reasoning gives anaconda the right to demand I destroy my data? -- Cheers, Gene There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order. -Ed Howdershelt (Author) The NRA is offering FREE Associate memberships to anyone who wants them. https://www.nrahq.org/nrabonus/accept-membership.asp By the yard, life is hard. By the inch, it's a cinch. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Cron Monthly abnormality in FC12
I ran into something strange with cron in FC12. The monthly cron jobs ran on December 2nd, instead of December 1st. The system was up continually from before November 30th, until after December 2nd. But for some strange reason the monthly jobs were run on the 2nd. This is a problem because the system sends out calendars on the 1st of each month, and sending them out on the second is a real problem. Mikkel -- Yes, I'm a dirty old man ... and I'll be one until I'm a DEAD old man! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Recent texlive anyone?
Hi,
has anybody seen some rpm packaging for the current texlive
distribution? Since fedora switched over things look stalled.
I am asking because I could really use the
\KOMAoption{listof}{leveldown} thing.
(So if anyone knows how to have the same effect in the old version ...)
regards
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Re: how to list hardware manufacturer?
On Saturday 05 December 2009 08:18 AM, Steven Stern wrote: On 12/05/2009 04:27 AM, François Patte wrote: Bonjour, I would like to list the hardware manufacturers for some hardware installed on my computer (namely: cd drives and ram). lspci does not give info about these hw. lshw, does not give the manufacturer dmidecode does not give the manufacturer Is there a tool which is able to do that, or a file in /etc (or elsewhere)? Thanks for attention. smoltSendProfile Select (V) after it starts up to view the hardware list. You can then continue on to upload it to the database. Here's the hardware list for my computer: http://www.smolts.org/client/show/pub_e5eef396-fa46-4e60-9415-f6195093876a Never thought of that! I know the OP would prefer command line utilities but still he can try lshw-gui. It presents the lshw output in a much more readable form. GL -- Suvayu Open source is the future. It sets us free. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Compiz plugins
Is there somewhere a howto or something like that about compiz plugins. I don't know which plugins are in fedora, which one could be add and how to use it (key combinations). I try to test the water one and i can't achieve to find the keys to use or the keys does not work ... Thanks Eric -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
GNOME notification; black background?
Hi. I'm currently using F12 and GNOME. When I upgraded to F12, I noticed that the notification popups changed from being a popup with a yellowish background in the lower-right corner to a popup with a black background in the upper-right corner. I can deal with the location change, but the black background makes it hard to read (to me). Is there any way to customize that? Thanks, Reid -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: F12 Wireless Network intermittently Dropped: AR9285 card / ath9k module
On Thursday 03 December 2009 20:11:11 Reuben Budiardja wrote: On Thursday 03 December 2009 19:59:57 jaivuk wrote: I use F12 with latest F11 kernel - this is only way how can I use my freshly installed F12 and have my WIFI AP (hostapd) working. If you upgraded to F12 from F11 via yum, you may still have some F11 kernel installed, so during boot, just press ESC to get to grub menu and select F11 kernel. Lonni Jaivuk, Thank you for the pointers (and Lonni for list of Bug IDs on the other thread). It seems that I have few things to try: 1. Turn off power management, 2. Try either F11 or F11 kernel As this is a freshly installed laptop that I just start using, I am still able to play with it. I am going to try either or both and see if any works better for me. I'll report back later for posterity. Settting iwconfig wlan0 power off made a big difference in my experience. I still get disassociation every now and then, but it was an obvious improvement from before and the wireless was actually usable, which was not the case before. Haven't had a chance to try F11 at the place where I am having this problem with the wireless. RDB -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: F12 Wireless Network intermittently Dropped: AR9285 card / ath9k module
On Thursday 03 December 2009 20:11:11 Reuben Budiardja wrote: On Thursday 03 December 2009 19:59:57 jaivuk wrote: I use F12 with latest F11 kernel - this is only way how can I use my freshly installed F12 and have my WIFI AP (hostapd) working. If you upgraded to F12 from F11 via yum, you may still have some F11 kernel installed, so during boot, just press ESC to get to grub menu and select F11 kernel. Lonni Jaivuk, Thank you for the pointers (and Lonni for list of Bug IDs on the other thread). It seems that I have few things to try: 1. Turn off power management, 2. Try either F11 or F11 kernel As this is a freshly installed laptop that I just start using, I am still able to play with it. I am going to try either or both and see if any works better for me. I'll report back later for posterity. Settting iwconfig wlan0 power off made a big difference in my experience. I still get disassociation every now and then, but it was an obvious improvement from before and the wireless was actually usable, which was not the case before. Haven't had a chance to try F11 at the place where I am having this problem with the wireless. RDB -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: dd question, what am I doing wrong?
Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Fri, 2009-12-04 at 16:13 -0800, Daniel B. Thurman wrote: The problem I have specifically with rsync (or tar, or cp) is that it does not save ACLs, file attributes too well, and so on that I gave up using it. Perhaps the problem in this case is not to use the -a option but to use the manual options to save everything about the files that you can. Specifically: rsync manual: -a, --archivearchive mode; equals -rlptgoD (no -H,-A,-X) -H, --hard-links preserve hard links -A, --acls preserve ACLs (implies -p) -X, --xattrs preserve extended attributes Do you mean that you've tried these (particularly -A and -X) and they don't work? If so, have you filed a bug report? I am not certain that it's a bug per-se, it's just that there are cases, or so it seems, where it is not clear how to deal with the issue on my part. For example, hard links (-H). How are hard links handled on one drive to be copied over to another and is it guaranteed to work? I could not get my mind around this one so I did not want to take a chance. As for ACLs (-A), what exactly is being handled here and does this work for ALL Oses concerned - do they follow the same standard? I am thinking about Vista in particular, so I did not want to experiment on this one either. As for extended attributes (-X), I have no clue exactly what this is. I guess I have to someday take the time to do more research before messing around with these rsync options. This is a particular reason why I am using dd/rescue resizing - it works sans Vista, which I have yet to try. Also, have you looked at [1] wrt copying while maintaining SElinux contexts? [1] http://docs.fedoraproject.org/selinux-user-guide/f10/en-US/sect-Security-Enhanced_Linux-Working_with_SELinux-Maintaining_SELinux_Labels_.html Yes, I am familiar with SeLinux to a point of creating them and permentizing them. Symbolic links are one of the nasty ones that take some getting used to though. Dan -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Compiz plugins
2009/12/5 Eric Tanguy eric.tan...@univ-nantes.fr: Is there somewhere a howto or something like that about compiz plugins. I don't know which plugins are in fedora, which one could be add and how to use it (key combinations). I try to test the water one and i can't achieve to find the keys to use or the keys does not work ... http://wiki.compiz.org/CompizPlugins http://wiki.compiz.org/CompizFusionPlugins Thanks Eric Have fun :) -- Suvayu Open source is the future. It sets us free. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
internet connection sharing
In earlier releases of Fedora, I recall this being possible but not w/o some extra work. In F12, is it actually as simple as the Redhat Magazine video suggests? Does simply creating a wireless connection enable all required elements such as forwarding, dhcp etc for sharing a wired connection out a wireless connection in ad-hoc mode? When I create a connection set as Shared to other computers dnsmasq isn't started for example. Searching the net yields a couple tutorials on this, but none dive nito any detail... Thanks, jlc -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: how to list hardware manufacturer?
On 09-12-05 05:27:38, François Patte wrote: ... I would like to list the hardware manufacturers for some hardware installed on my computer (namely: cd drives and ram). ... lshw, does not give the manufacturer ... It does here, under vendor:. Be sure to run it as root, or it won't cover all devices (WARNING: you should run this program as super- user.). -- TonyN.:' mailto:tonynel...@georgeanelson.com ' http://www.georgeanelson.com/ -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Difficulty setting up Fedora 12 screen
On 09-12-04 23:59:43, Dick Roark wrote: After installing Fedora 12 I am having problems setting up 1280x1024 screen resolution. Only 640x480 and 800x600 are available. I was using F11 at 1280x1024 on this hardware before upgrading to F12. After that, so far no joy. I would appreciate any helpful info. I have also tried using various configurations of the xorg.conf and xrandr without success. Obviously, I'm missing something. I feel certain that the fix is right under my nose but so far, nothing works. Dick Roark Here is my xorg.conf file: ... Your /var/log/Xorg.0.log would be very helpful when diagnosing resolution problems, and when using KMS (Kernel Mode-Setting), the relevant parts of dmesg / var/log/messages. -- TonyN.:' mailto:tonynel...@georgeanelson.com ' http://www.georgeanelson.com/ -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: locale setup, LANG variable - strange
Hello Ed! On the login screen, after selecting the user, there is a language selector on the lower left. Have you set that to be Polish for your account? I do not have such switch in fc12. I remember there was one in fc9? Maybe because my system installem kdm instead of gdm??? Do YOu think that it might be the case? best regards, Michal -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Getting rid of /boot
2009/12/5 Gene Heskett gene.hesk...@verizon.net: And just how do you do that? The last time I tried to save /home, anaconda would not proceed until I checked the format it box. I did not have this problem when I upgraded to F11 a couple weeks ago. I always wait for a respin but that wasn't possible this time. Is this yet another reason not to bother with F12 yet? -- Marc Wilson m...@cox.net posgu...@gmail.com -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Getting rid of /boot
On Sat, 2009-12-05 at 13:43 +, Timothy Murphy wrote: Matthew Saltzman wrote: Actually, the complexity is that Fedora for some insane reason still defaults to using LVM for everything *other* than /boot. This brings no benefit to most users. Well, it means I can have separate filesystems for things that I don't want overwritten if I reinstall (/home, /usr/local, /opt, /var/www, etc.) That's only 4, or 7 with / , /boot and swap. How do you get up to 15? I don't (for systems with just one Linux installed). Add Windows (two partitions if you want separate system and data disks) and another *nix OS, though, and you're pressing the limit. In any case, the default partitioning doesn't give you 15 partitions, so this seems an odd reason for recommending it. I don't recommend the default because it dumps everything into a single / filesystem, so reinstalling wipes out things that I'd want to preserve. I tend to use LVM for flexibility resizing. I don't spread LVs across devices though. -- Matthew Saltzman Clemson University Math Sciences mjs AT clemson DOT edu http://www.math.clemson.edu/~mjs -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Getting rid of /boot
On Sat, 2009-12-05 at 12:33 -0500, Gene Heskett wrote: On Saturday 05 December 2009, Wayne Feick wrote: On Sat, 2009-12-05 at 11:30 -0500, Gene Heskett wrote: Folderol even. My objection to LVM is two fold. 1. It won't allow one to save things in the /home tree when doing an upgrade or re-install. I have an almost 10GB corpus of email, and several scripts that are needed for my daily operations that need to be preserved. LVM makes that impossible. Can you elaborate? I use LVM on all my systems, and whenever I move to a new Fedora release I carry the old /home tree forward to the new installation. Wayne. And just how do you do that? The last time I tried to save /home, anaconda would not proceed until I checked the format it box. As I'm an alpha test site for amanda, the recovery was doable and was done, but what kind of twisted reasoning gives anaconda the right to demand I destroy my data? I usually just install with no separate filesystem for /home (i.e. it's part of /) and then once the install is complete I update /etc/fstab to mount my old /home filesystem on the new installation. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
YouTube problem solved!
On Sat, 2009-12-05 at 09:55 +0530, Jatin K wrote: On 12/05/2009 05:36 AM, Aaron Konstam wrote: When I try to run a youtube video in my newly installed F12 I get the following error message. You have Javascript disabled or an old version of Adobe flash player. Neither statement is true. What can I do to fix things? I had this same problem with YouTube and even though had javascript enabled as well as correct flash installed it didn't seem enough to make YouTube content work. I then did , yum -y install GStreamer and after I completed this installation all worked well. Some parts of gstreamer were already installed but some were not, this made sure I had everything. Paul. -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. We are a community of 6 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 342 of my spam emails to date. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len The Professional version does not have this message -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Difficulty setting up Fedora 12 screen
On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 7:15 PM, Tony Nelson tonynel...@georgeanelson.com wrote: After installing Fedora 12 I am having problems setting up 1280x1024 screen resolution. Only 640x480 and 800x600 are available. I was using F11 at 1280x1024 on this hardware before upgrading to F12. After that, so far no joy. I would appreciate any helpful info. I have also tried using various configurations of the xorg.conf and xrandr without success. Obviously, I'm missing something. I feel certain that the fix is right under my nose but so far, nothing works. Here is my xorg.conf file: ... Your /var/log/Xorg.0.log would be very helpful when diagnosing resolution problems, and when using KMS (Kernel Mode-Setting), the relevant parts of dmesg / var/log/messages. Have you tried to set your display with system-config-display ? Paul -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
How to read/write to diskette
Hello, I have f12 just Installed every thing is OK so far other than I can't read/write to a diskette, the icon appears in the desktop, if I click on it shows empty if I drag and drop a file to the diskette icon give me an error there was an error copying the file into /media/disk, error opening file '/media/disk/ile Vitals.ods': Permission denied is this mean that I need to super user in order to gain access? any help is greatly appreciated. Vinny -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Recent texlive anyone?
On Sat, 2009-12-05 at 18:43 +0100, Christoph Höger wrote:
Hi,
has anybody seen some rpm packaging for the current texlive
distribution? Since fedora switched over things look stalled.
http://jnovy.fedorapeople.org/texlive/
I am asking because I could really use the
\KOMAoption{listof}{leveldown} thing.
(So if anyone knows how to have the same effect in the old version ...)
regards
Christoph
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Re: No system-config-display ?
On 12/05/2009 03:27 PM, Bob Goodwin wrote: On 06/12/09 04:49, Roger wrote: On 12/05/2009 08:44 PM, Bob Goodwin wrote: I just installed [yum] system-config-display and get the following message when I try to use it: All I want to do is determine what display parameters I am using? What's wrong here? Bob yum install system-config-display I had to do this Roger Yes, I did that but it does not work? I should have mentioned this box is still F-11. In that case, yum install kudzu. It is a missing dependency. Rahul -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Getting rid of /boot
On Sat, 2009-12-05 at 12:33 -0500, Gene Heskett wrote: On Saturday 05 December 2009, Wayne Feick wrote: On Sat, 2009-12-05 at 11:30 -0500, Gene Heskett wrote: Folderol even. My objection to LVM is two fold. 1. It won't allow one to save things in the /home tree when doing an upgrade or re-install. I have an almost 10GB corpus of email, and several scripts that are needed for my daily operations that need to be preserved. LVM makes that impossible. Can you elaborate? I use LVM on all my systems, and whenever I move to a new Fedora release I carry the old /home tree forward to the new installation. Wayne. And just how do you do that? The last time I tried to save /home, anaconda would not proceed until I checked the format it box. As I'm an alpha test site for amanda, the recovery was doable and was done, but what kind of twisted reasoning gives anaconda the right to demand I destroy my data? Well, nothing (unless it's on a partition that has to be formatted for an install, like /). And I've never had that problem. If /home is a separate LV, in Anaconda, select the PV with the /home LV inside it. You'll have to reset the mount points for all the LVs (an annoyance, to be sure, that I wish could be fixed), but you don't have to format /home (or /opt, or /usr/local, etc.) if it is a separate LV (or if it's on a separate partition). -- Matthew Saltzman Clemson University Math Sciences mjs AT clemson DOT edu http://www.math.clemson.edu/~mjs -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Recent texlive anyone?
On Sat, 2009-12-05 at 18:43 +0100, Christoph Höger wrote: Hi, has anybody seen some rpm packaging for the current texlive distribution? Since fedora switched over things look stalled. Have a look at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/TeXLive -- Jussi Lehtola Fedora Project Contributor jussileht...@fedoraproject.org -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: GNOME notification; black background?
Am Samstag, den 05.12.2009, 11:35 -0700 schrieb Reid Rivenburgh: Hi. I'm currently using F12 and GNOME. When I upgraded to F12, I noticed that the notification popups changed from being a popup with a yellowish background in the lower-right corner to a popup with a black background in the upper-right corner. I can deal with the location change, but the black background makes it hard to read (to me). Is there any way to customize that? Thanks, Reid yum install notification-daemon-engine-nodoka gconftool-2 -s /apps/notification-daemon/theme nodoka --type string There you go :) -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: how to list hardware manufacturer?
Never thought of that! I know the OP would prefer command line utilities but still he can try lshw-gui. It presents the lshw output in a much more readable form. GL -- Suvayu Open source is the future. It sets us free. In order for lshw-gui to run in needs to load something called gnomebreakpad which I cannot find. Where is it? -- === I feel ... JUGULAR ... === Aaron Konstam telephone: (210) 656-0355 e-mail: akons...@sbcglobal.net -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: how to list hardware manufacturer?
On Sat, 2009-12-05 at 17:36 -0600, Aaron Konstam wrote: Never thought of that! I know the OP would prefer command line utilities but still he can try lshw-gui. It presents the lshw output in a much more readable form. GL -- Suvayu Open source is the future. It sets us free. In order for lshw-gui to run in needs to load something called gnomebreakpad which I cannot find. Where is it? When I Googled this event the statement was made that the absence of gnomebreakpad is the innocuous result of abrt replacing bug-buddy but on my SMP dual processor system lshw-gui does not display what it should under F12 (or at least not the detail that it displays on my laptop under F11). I that really innocuous? -- === You can't expect a boy to be vicious till he's been to a good school. -- H.H. Munro === Aaron Konstam telephone: (210) 656-0355 e-mail: akons...@sbcglobal.net -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: su hangs for 30 seconds
Joachim Backes wrote: On 12/05/2009 01:32 PM, Hiisi wrote: 2009/12/5 Wolfgang S. Rupprechtwolfgang.ruppre...@gmail.com: As of a day or so ago su has started hanging for 30 seconds. So has the lock screen. Jiggling the mouse unblanks the monitor and shows me the backdrop picture but the password entry box doesn't appear for 30 seconds. I don't believe I mucked with anything PAM related, but there were a few yum updates in the last few days. Is anyone else seeing this? -wolfgang -- Wolfgang S. Rupprecht If the airwaves belong to the public why does the public only get 3 non-overlapping WIFI channels? I have the same problem for a couple of month (don't remember exactly how long it is) on my F11 (32 bit). I've asked it already on this list but had no response. I had similar problems in the past (with sudo / not su), and the reason was an error in the network controls (I tried to change the hostname by editing /etc/sysconfig/network, but forgot all other places to edit). This kind of delays are often DNS timeouts. If the network configuration is wrong, trivial things like printing last unsuccessfull login on 02-12-2009 from abcd.example.com take 15-30-60 seconds. -- Roberto Ragusamail at robertoragusa.it -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: No system-config-display ?
On 05/12/09 17:30, Rahul Sundaram wrote: On 12/05/2009 03:27 PM, Bob Goodwin wrote: On 06/12/09 04:49, Roger wrote: On 12/05/2009 08:44 PM, Bob Goodwin wrote: I just installed [yum] system-config-display and get the following message when I try to use it: All I want to do is determine what display parameters I am using? What's wrong here? Bob yum install system-config-display I had to do this Roger Yes, I did that but it does not work? I should have mentioned this box is still F-11. In that case, yum install kudzu. It is a missing dependency. Rahul Ok, I installed [yum] kudzu but still the error persists. I have not re-booted though if that is required? [b...@box9 ~]$ system-config-display Traceback (most recent call last): File /usr/share/system-config-display/xconf.py, line 376, in module dialog = xConfigDialog.XConfigDialog(hardware_state, xconfig, rhpxl.videocard.VideoCardInfo()) File /usr/share/system-config-display/xConfigDialog.py, line 641, in __init__ if len(self.xconfig.layout[0].adjacencies) 1: IndexError: index out-of-bounds Tnx. Bob -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Screen brightness controls missing in Fedora 12
In a Fedora 12 Gnome desktop, where has the control for screen brightness gone? It used to be controlled in Power Management, but those settings have disappeared and I can't find them anywhere else. -- Bob Nichols NOSPAM is really part of my email address. Do NOT delete it. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Getting rid of /boot
On Saturday 05 December 2009, Matthew Saltzman wrote: On Sat, 2009-12-05 at 12:33 -0500, Gene Heskett wrote: On Saturday 05 December 2009, Wayne Feick wrote: On Sat, 2009-12-05 at 11:30 -0500, Gene Heskett wrote: Folderol even. My objection to LVM is two fold. 1. It won't allow one to save things in the /home tree when doing an upgrade or re-install. I have an almost 10GB corpus of email, and several scripts that are needed for my daily operations that need to be preserved. LVM makes that impossible. Can you elaborate? I use LVM on all my systems, and whenever I move to a new Fedora release I carry the old /home tree forward to the new installation. Wayne. And just how do you do that? The last time I tried to save /home, anaconda would not proceed until I checked the format it box. As I'm an alpha test site for amanda, the recovery was doable and was done, but what kind of twisted reasoning gives anaconda the right to demand I destroy my data? Well, nothing (unless it's on a partition that has to be formatted for an install, like /). And I've never had that problem. If /home is a separate LV, in Anaconda, select the PV with the /home LV inside it. You'll have to reset the mount points for all the LVs (an annoyance, to be sure, that I wish could be fixed), but you don't have to format /home (or /opt, or /usr/local, etc.) if it is a separate LV (or if it's on a separate partition). I also tried that once, and convinced it I didn't want it formatted, about FC6 I think. It bought it I thought, till I found it had made a /home directory on /, the proceeded to write the new /home with its defaults. I took a bit of detective work to ascertain that my /home partition still existed, but wasn't ever used and was not in /etc/fstab as a separate entry. Dumb was NOT my comment when I found that. -- Cheers, Gene There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order. -Ed Howdershelt (Author) The NRA is offering FREE Associate memberships to anyone who wants them. https://www.nrahq.org/nrabonus/accept-membership.asp Pilfering Treasury property is paticularly dangerous: big thieves are ruthless in punishing little thieves. -- Diogenes -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: No system-config-display ?
On Saturday 05 December 2009, Bob Goodwin wrote: Ok, I installed [yum] kudzu but still the error persists. I have not re-booted though if that is required? [b...@box9 ~]$ system-config-display Traceback (most recent call last): File /usr/share/system-config-display/xconf.py, line 376, in module dialog = xConfigDialog.XConfigDialog(hardware_state, xconfig, rhpxl.videocard.VideoCardInfo()) File /usr/share/system-config-display/xConfigDialog.py, line 641, in __init__ if len(self.xconfig.layout[0].adjacencies) 1: IndexError: index out-of-bounds I'm getting the same error. I've followed the same steps as Bob, and getting the same error. This is also F11. Kudzu is installed as is system- config-display. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Difficulty setting up Fedora 12 screen
Yup, I tried that right off... with no effect. On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 4:52 AM, Paul Smith phh...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 7:15 PM, Tony Nelson tonynel...@georgeanelson.com wrote: After installing Fedora 12 I am having problems setting up 1280x1024 screen resolution. Only 640x480 and 800x600 are available. I was using F11 at 1280x1024 on this hardware before upgrading to F12. After that, so far no joy. I would appreciate any helpful info. I have also tried using various configurations of the xorg.conf and xrandr without success. Obviously, I'm missing something. I feel certain that the fix is right under my nose but so far, nothing works. Here is my xorg.conf file: ... Your /var/log/Xorg.0.log would be very helpful when diagnosing resolution problems, and when using KMS (Kernel Mode-Setting), the relevant parts of dmesg / var/log/messages. Have you tried to set your display with system-config-display ? Paul -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: su hangs for 30 seconds
Roberto Ragusa m...@robertoragusa.it writes: Joachim Backes wrote: On 12/05/2009 01:32 PM, Hiisi wrote: 2009/12/5 Wolfgang S. Rupprechtwolfgang.ruppre...@gmail.com: As of a day or so ago su has started hanging for 30 seconds. So has the lock screen. Jiggling the mouse unblanks the monitor and shows me the backdrop picture but the password entry box doesn't appear for 30 seconds. I don't believe I mucked with anything PAM related, but there were a few yum updates in the last few days. Is anyone else seeing this? I have the same problem for a couple of month (don't remember exactly how long it is) on my F11 (32 bit). I've asked it already on this list but had no response. I had similar problems in the past (with sudo / not su), and the reason was an error in the network controls (I tried to change the hostname by editing /etc/sysconfig/network, but forgot all other places to edit). This kind of delays are often DNS timeouts. If the network configuration is wrong, trivial things like printing last unsuccessfull login on 02-12-2009 from abcd.example.com take 15-30-60 seconds. Hmm. No 6 hours after posting this, the problem cleared up. I'm temped to finger the selinux-targeted-policy that I installed from updates-testing for clearing things up. That was the only change in the intervening time. As to the DNS issue. Bingo. /etc/resolv.conf to be exact still had an old IPv6 address in it. Oops. I thought that the resolver should failover and stay locked to the best dns server fast than 30 seconds. I see I'm going to have to figure out why it took so long. Thanks for reminding me to double check. search wsrcc.com nameserver 2001:5a8:4:7d0::1 nameserver 192.83.197.1 nameserver ::1 nameserver 127.0.0.1 -wolfgang -- Wolfgang S. Rupprecht If the airwaves belong to the public why does the public only get 3 non-overlapping WIFI channels? -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
yum lockup at Running Transaction
FC12/KDE Yum is hanging up at Running Transaction , how do I correct this problem. Downloading Packages: Setting up and reading Presto delta metadata Processing delta metadata Package(s) data still to download: 9.0 M (1/8): keyutils-libs-devel-1.2-6.fc12.x86_64.rpm| 29 kB 00:00 (2/8): krb5-devel-1.7-10.fc12.x86_64.rpm| 1.0 MB 00:04 (3/8): libcom_err-devel-1.41.9-5.fc12.x86_64.rpm| 35 kB 00:00 (4/8): libselinux-devel-2.0.87-1.fc12.x86_64.rpm| 126 kB 00:00 (5/8): libsepol-devel-2.0.38-1.fc12.x86_64.rpm | 61 kB 00:00 (6/8): mysql-devel-5.1.39-4.fc12.x86_64.rpm | 2.4 MB 00:12 (7/8): mysql-test-5.1.39-4.fc12.x86_64.rpm | 4.2 MB 00:13 (8/8): openssl-devel-1.0.0-0.13.beta4.fc12.x86_64.rpm | 1.2 MB 00:04 --- Total 246 kB/s | 9.0 MB 00:37 Running rpm_check_debug Running Transaction Test Finished Transaction Test Transaction Test Succeeded Running Transaction -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: can Fedora's QEMU run ppc guest in F12 x86_64 host?
Andre Robatino wrote: I've tried to create a F12 ppc guest in a F12 x86_64 host, using F12's Virtual Machine Manager and with qemu-system-ppc installed. It's reading a verified copy of Fedora-12-ppc-DVD.iso from the HDD. It fails with CDROM boot failure code : 0004 Boot failed: could not read the boot disk FATAL: No bootable device. (Screenshot attached.) At least this is an improvement over F11 which would generate a kernel failure instead. Is this supposed to work? The page http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/KVM_and_QEMU_merge claims that it is. Were I you, I would take all the virtual dumb it down stuff out of the picture, create a 6GB or so qcow2 device with qemu-img, then run the ppc from the command line: qemu-system-ppc64 -, 1200 -hda mydisk.img -cdrom install.iso -boot d -net nic look at the man page, those may not be exactly what you need for your system. I have found that this works when more convenient tools don't, due either to limitations in the tool or in the doc, or in my understanding. If this works it will point to the need to understand the convient tool better. -- Bill Davidsen david...@tmr.com We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from the machinations of the wicked. - from Slashdot -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Getting rid of /boot
Marc Wilson wrote: On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 4:25 PM, Tom H tomh0...@gmail.com wrote: I had understood the complexity to be the separate /boot not the use of lvm... Actually, the complexity is that Fedora for some insane reason still defaults to using LVM for everything *other* than /boot. This brings no benefit to most users. +2 -- Bill Davidsen david...@tmr.com We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from the machinations of the wicked. - from Slashdot -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Getting rid of /boot
Matthew Saltzman wrote: On Fri, 2009-12-04 at 16:45 -0800, Marc Wilson wrote: On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 4:25 PM, Tom H tomh0...@gmail.com wrote: I had understood the complexity to be the separate /boot not the use of lvm... Actually, the complexity is that Fedora for some insane reason still defaults to using LVM for everything *other* than /boot. This brings no benefit to most users. Well, it means I can have separate filesystems for things that I don't want overwritten if I reinstall (/home, /usr/local, /opt, /var/www, etc.) and I can dynamically resize them if they get unbalanced. That's pretty useful. Someone else mentioned the limited number of physical and logical partitions. If you want separate partitions for those systems and for, say, separate system and user data on a dual-boot machine with Windows, and multiboot, and a diagnostics partition, those partitions can get used up pretty quickly. Have a big /boot and you can have many kernels available. During the 2.5 development cycles, between 2.4, 2.5, -ac, -mm, -aa, etc kernels I hit the limit of LILO to support more than 19 (from memory) kernels. Sane people don't have these problems. -- Bill Davidsen david...@tmr.com We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from the machinations of the wicked. - from Slashdot -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: su hangs for 30 seconds
As of a day or so ago su has started hanging for 30 seconds. So has the lock screen. Jiggling the mouse unblanks the monitor and shows me the backdrop picture but the password entry box doesn't appear for 30 seconds. I don't believe I mucked with anything PAM related, but there were a few yum updates in the last few days. Is anyone else seeing this? -wolfgang Hello Everyone I am running Fedora 12, fully updated, and I have NOT seen that behavior on our system. But, I also run Fedora Rawhide in Sun's VirtualBox. Until a few minutes ago, I had been experiencing that behavior. I then proceeded to disable SELinux, choosing to relabel upon the next reboot (of the virtual machine, of course.) The result was that the SU hanging for 30 seconds issue was totally fixed. Now that is how my virutal machine of Rawhide was set up, and that is how I fixed the SU issue. That is not to say that SELinux has anything to do with the issue that the rest of you are seeing. Oh, almost forgot: my Fedora 12 system, which has never had the issue of SU hanging for 30 seconds, has had SELinux disabled since very shortly after I did the install. Steven P. Ulrick -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Using USB devices in VMs under KVM fc11 or fc12
Has anyone tried this, and if so can you comment on the viability of this as a way to control USB devices? Some devices are simply not usefully supported at the application level in Linux, although the drivers are fine. Therefore the need to run an app, preferably in a VM rather than under wine (if that would even work). -- Bill Davidsen david...@tmr.com We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from the machinations of the wicked. - from Slashdot -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Getting rid of /boot
Timothy Murphy gayle...@eircom.net writes: Wolfgang S. Rupprecht wrote: But the point is taken. There seem to be quite a few posts from folks that make their lives needlessly complex by mucking with the defaults and that ends up breaking something downstream. Are you saying that something is broken downstream if you don't use LVM? With respect, that is nonsense. I was just trying to say that the installation dialog makes it too easy and therefore encourages people to change the defaults when in fact they would be better off leaving things alone. Sure you can run without lvm. Sure you can put home on a different partition. Sure you can add other repositories during installation. The problem with doing all that is it takes you off the well-trodden path. For one, the default install is going to be the best tested configuration. For another, many newbies are encouraged to muck with the defaults without fully understanding the ramifications. -wolfgang -- Wolfgang S. Rupprecht If the airwaves belong to the public why does the public only get 3 non-overlapping WIFI channels? -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Getting rid of /boot
Marko Vojinovic vvma...@gmail.com writes: And I was just about to ask what exactly is broken downstream... :-) I've been driving several Fedora versions on several machines for several years now with a custom-partitioned disks (simple setups, typically just swap, / and /home, no LVM or anything such), and nothing downstream seemed broken, ever. AFAICS, it is completely safe to not use LVM if you know you won't be resizing partitions afterwards. And life is simpler if the hard drive starts dying or something... ;-) Did you get selinux working or did you just turn it off in frustration becauce putting thing in non-default places broke the stock selinux policies? -wolfgang -- Wolfgang S. Rupprecht If the airwaves belong to the public why does the public only get 3 non-overlapping WIFI channels? -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
