Re: When will KDE4 get a desktop like in KDE3.x ?

2008-10-22 Thread BRUCE STANLEY



--- On Tue, 10/21/08, Craig White [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 From: Craig White [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: When will KDE4 get a desktop like in KDE3.x ?
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], Community assistance, encouragement, and advice for 
 using Fedora. fedora-list@redhat.com
 Date: Tuesday, October 21, 2008, 7:49 PM
 On Tue, 2008-10-21 at 14:19 -0700, BRUCE STANLEY wrote:
 
  It could also be argued that this philosophy of yours
 is in direct 
  conflict with the whole spirit and intent of the Linux
 environment
  in the first place.
  
  Linux and it's environments were created to give
 users the freedom
  to use and configure their desktops any way they like.
  
  To tell me that I should not lose abilities that I
 once had and
  used for the sake of some new dogma that someone else
 believes in
  is like chalk scrapping against a blackboard.
  
  If I want to clutter my desktop with files and
 folders,
  that is my business not some developers.
 
 and at some point in the KDE 4.2 release process, you will
 be able to do
 that. Until then, you can't. Get over it.
 
 Craig


It not a matter of getting over it Craig.

It a matter of standing for principles.

But these types of topics are like chocolate vs vanilla.

Just don't take my choices away!;-)



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Re: When will KDE4 get a desktop like in KDE3.x ?

2008-10-21 Thread BRUCE STANLEY



--- On Tue, 10/21/08, Marko Vojinovic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 From: Marko Vojinovic [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: When will KDE4 get a desktop like in KDE3.x ?
 To: fedora-list@redhat.com
 Date: Tuesday, October 21, 2008, 10:12 AM
 On Monday 20 October 2008 23:50, Linuxguy123 wrote:
  Why can't we have files and icons on the desktop,
 ala KDE3.x ?
 
 You can. Use folder-view widget, and point it to the
 Desktop folder under your 
 home directory.
 
 However...
 
 It could be argued that files and icons do not belong on
 the desktop, but 
 rather in home directory. It could also be argued that one
 should use a file 
 manager rather then desktop manager to manipulate files,
 while the desktop 
 manager should be better suited to manipulate the desktop.
 It could further 
 be argued that files and icons were already present on the
 desktop up to KDE 
 3.5 and that this was demonstrated to be a Bad Habbit,
 since the desktop 
 usually becomes cluttered beyond any usability after some
 time. Finally, it 
 could be argued that using plasmoids on the desktop rather
 than keeping icons 
 on it enhances its usability.
 
 I know that forcing people to change their habbits is very
 painful in general, 
 invites a horrific amount of bitching and moaning, but ---
 as for example 
 with taking bitter-tasting medications, learning math in
 school, using 
 selinux --- it is for their own good.
 
 I would suggest that you put some effort in getting
 yourself disciplined in 
 having a directory hierarchy under your home dir to put
 files, and put 
 plasmoids/widgets on the desktop.
 
 OTOH, if you really really really absolutely need files and
 icons on the 
 desktop, use folder-view widget. After a while you might
 get interested in 
 having two or more folder-view widgets on the desktop
 showing the contents of 
 several different directories, and then you might apreciate
 the hard-work of 
 the KDE4 developers who made such a thing possible. In KDE
 3.5 you are 
 limited to just one folder, just like for ex. in Windows
 you are limited to 
 just one desktop. Once you find out about the Better Way,
 you'll never look 
 back... ;-)
 
 HTH, :-)
 Marko
 
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It could also be argued that this philosophy of yours is in direct 
conflict with the whole spirit and intent of the Linux environment
in the first place.

Linux and it's environments were created to give users the freedom
to use and configure their desktops any way they like.

To tell me that I should not lose abilities that I once had and
used for the sake of some new dogma that someone else believes in
is like chalk scrapping against a blackboard.

If I want to clutter my desktop with files and folders,
that is my business not some developers.


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Re: Why is Fedora not a Free GNU/Linux distributions?

2008-07-25 Thread BRUCE STANLEY

--- Mikkel L. Ellertson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Craig White wrote:
  I gather Mikkel, that this means that you have moved from the sidelines
  of criticizing the pointlessness of this thread to participation.
  
  Craig
  
 No really. I was just trying to add a bit of humor to it. I have no 
 hope of convincing anyone of anything except maybe how funny some of 
 the arguments being put forward are. I will try and remember to 
 insert the humor tags in future posts.
 
 Mikkel
 -- 
 
 

Why don't we all just agree that  Stallman and the FSF are the Borg  and
the  GPL is the elixir used to assimilate software (and people).

Resistance is futile.  ;-) 



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