Re: physical RAM restriction in Fedora 12 (32 bit and 64 bit)
Once upon a time, Roberto Ragusa said: > And the PAE kernel will be installed by default. > So the 32 bit Fedora could be considered without limit too. IIRC, the practical limit with PAE is something like 8G or 16G RAM. With more, you end up using all the low RAM for page tables and can't get any actual work done. -- Chris Adams Systems and Network Administrator - HiWAAY Internet Services I don't speak for anybody but myself - that's enough trouble. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: SMS client for linux?
Once upon a time, L said: > I have a vodafone wireless broadband dongle. This prepaid package > comes with 15 free SMS. NM on F12 is great to connect it. my question > is that, is there a tool to send/receive SMS on linux? The vodafone > connect kit for windows includes a SMS client to send and receive SMS. > I don't want waste 15 SMS, Could any one know an equivalent tool for > linux? Gnokii is a cell phone tool that can send and receive SMS, if your cell interface presents a serial port to Linux (my phone for example presents two). It takes a little bit of configuration in /etc/gnokiirc but works okay. I use the gnokii-smsd daemon to send text messages from other programs (like Nagios). -- Chris Adams Systems and Network Administrator - HiWAAY Internet Services I don't speak for anybody but myself - that's enough trouble. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Booting sparkly new F12 install, error 13 from grub.
Once upon a time, Tom H said: > >>Well, according to the files present on /dev/sdb1, grub is installed. I > >>tried the chainloader+1, didn't work, now I'm about to reboot and try the > >> map syntax to swap the bios drive orders. > > > And that didn't work either. :( > > As I said in my earlier email, grub1 will not boot from an ext4 /boot. Incorrect, if it is GRUB from F12. -- Chris Adams Systems and Network Administrator - HiWAAY Internet Services I don't speak for anybody but myself - that's enough trouble. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: To hyper-thread or not to hyper-thread
Once upon a time, Greg Woods said: > One feature in particular that is not present twice is some of the > caching. This is sort of why they named it "hyperthreading". If you can > get multiple threads of the same process, sharing the same memory, to > run simultaneously, there is a performance boost. But if you try to run > two completely different processes simultaneously, there will actually > be a performance LOSS because of all the cache misses this will cause. I believe that the Linux kernel scheduler takes all of this into account. You are better off enabling HT (and letting the kernel worry about taking advantage of it) than disabling it. -- Chris Adams Systems and Network Administrator - HiWAAY Internet Services I don't speak for anybody but myself - that's enough trouble. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: man 3 switch
Once upon a time, Frank Cox said:
> On Sat, 14 Nov 2009 11:43:53 -0600
> Chris Adams wrote:
> > Would you expect to see individual man pages for "if", "?:", "void",
> > etc.?
>
> Actually yes, I would. Those are fundamental parts of the C language and
> should have the same man documentation as the library functions.
Then get writing! I'm bet gcc would accept a C language syntax page.
However, like I said, it would probably need to be a single C syntax
page. That's the way perl does it for example.
I don't think any other language has individual man pages for
syntactical elements. Otherwise, you end up with massive conflicts; who
gets the man page for "{", "+", ";", etc.?
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Re: man 3 switch
Once upon a time, Frank Cox said: > I expected to see a write-up on the C switch statement. Similar to what I see > with "man 3 strlen" and the like. > > Your statement indicates that keywords are not included in "man 3", so > apparently that's why it's not there. > > It seems an odd choice to make, to cover the standard library and not the > keywords. Functions in libraries are documented, not language syntax itself. I suppose somebody could write a man page for cc that documents syntax, but I've never seen a Unix that does that for C. Would you expect to see individual man pages for "if", "?:", "void", etc.? -- Chris Adams Systems and Network Administrator - HiWAAY Internet Services I don't speak for anybody but myself - that's enough trouble. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: su/kdesu not working
Once upon a time, Roberto Ragusa said: > Chris Adams wrote: > > Once upon a time, Roberto Ragusa said: > >> Big hammer: > >> strace -f su - > > > > You can't strace a setuid executable. > > You are right. > Actually the execution will still happen, but with no root > authority, so it will not be useful for debugging. > Seeing some output incorrectly made me think it was working. And to follow up to my brief response, you _can_ strace a setuid executable with an extra step. If you run strace as root, you can pass the "-u " argument, and it will switch users first (but still trace correctly). So, as root, you could do: # strace -u foo -f su - -- Chris Adams Systems and Network Administrator - HiWAAY Internet Services I don't speak for anybody but myself - that's enough trouble. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: su/kdesu not working
Once upon a time, Roberto Ragusa said: > Big hammer: > strace -f su - You can't strace a setuid executable. -- Chris Adams Systems and Network Administrator - HiWAAY Internet Services I don't speak for anybody but myself - that's enough trouble. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: General question about Intel and AMD virtualiztion support in hardware
Once upon a time, KC8LDO said: > Who seems to have the edge in hardware virtualization Intel or AMD? I've > heard comments both ways with one IT person suggesting that AMD was the way > to go. As far as functionality, I believe they are pretty much equivalent. If you are buying a desktop and want virtualization, then (the last time I looked), almost all (if not all) AMD CPUs have hw-virt extensions, while Intel seems to reserve it for the higher-end (read: more expensive) CPUs. > Also are there extra "features" supported under the various open source > virtualization systems, KVM and Xen, under one manufacture but not the > other of any real significance? KVM is essentially a driver for the hw-virt CPU extensions, so of course it supports them. :-) Xen also supports hw-virt I believe. -- Chris Adams Systems and Network Administrator - HiWAAY Internet Services I don't speak for anybody but myself - that's enough trouble. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: should I go for 64bit version of Fedora 11 ?
Once upon a time, Cameron Simpson said: > On 03Nov2009 23:45, Alan Cox wrote: > | Such as the kernel ... which is much happier in 64bit mode with over 1GB > | of RAM. > > Is there some URL I could visit that qualifies this? > > I'm not doubting you, but I would like to have a mental model of roughly > why and how 64-bit mode benefits a system. If you have 1G (or really a little less) of physical RAM on 32-bit x86, the kernel can map all of it into the kernel's virtual address space. Otherwise, it has to use different addressing to access physical addresses, IIRC mapping them on demand (which adds overhead). On a 64-bit system, all of physical memory can be mapped into the kernel address space at all times. Also, x86_64 has a larger CPU register set, which can speed up some operations. -- Chris Adams Systems and Network Administrator - HiWAAY Internet Services I don't speak for anybody but myself - that's enough trouble. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Where is VNC, FC11
Once upon a time, Tait Clarridge said: > A good way to search for packages that may not have easy names is: > > [user @ host ~]$ yum list | grep -i vnc A little easier is: # yum list '*vnc*' -- Chris Adams Systems and Network Administrator - HiWAAY Internet Services I don't speak for anybody but myself - that's enough trouble. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: How to find out the parameters of an ext3 filesystem
Once upon a time, Dan Track said: > I'd like to know the parameters of an ext3 filesystem i.e what > blocksize was used, inodes etc... Can someone please show me a command > I can use to find this information. As root, "tune2fs -l ", where "" is the block device that contains the filesystem (e.g. /dev/sda2, /dev/vg0/lv0, etc.). -- Chris Adams Systems and Network Administrator - HiWAAY Internet Services I don't speak for anybody but myself - that's enough trouble. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Mock can't build x86_64 packages
Once upon a time, Jonathan Ryshpan said: > On Fri, 2009-10-02 at 11:00 -0400, Todd Zullinger wrote: > > You can't build for x86_64 on i386. Doing it the other way around > > works fine though. > > Why not? I thought that cross compilation worked on any two processors > (within reason). Mock doesn't cross-compile, it only runs binaries that can be run natively on the base system. It just so happens that x86_64 can run i686 binaries natively, so you can build i686 on x86_64. Since i686 cannot run x86_64, you can't build x86_64 on i686. -- Chris Adams Systems and Network Administrator - HiWAAY Internet Services I don't speak for anybody but myself - that's enough trouble. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Latest updates are missing a dependency
Once upon a time, Bill Davidsen said: > Given that the upgrade installs a new kernel (2.6.30.8-64 from memory) > which doesn't do networking, more than chill is required. I did this to my > production laptop, then managed to do it again on a desktop. Since it > happened after midnight, I just saved a dmesg for investigation, I assume > all networking is dead since the desktop had the same problem. I loaded 2.6.30.8-64.x86_64 on my desktop at home last night and it worked fine (networking included). -- Chris Adams Systems and Network Administrator - HiWAAY Internet Services I don't speak for anybody but myself - that's enough trouble. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: fedoraproject.org down (ipv6 only)
Once upon a time, Matt Domsch said: > The MaxMind GeoIP IPv6 database only has a couple thousand entries, so > it's bound to have gaps. If it has more than 1870, then it probably is good. That's how many active IPv6 routes there are in my (default-free) BGP IPv6 routing table right now. Most ISPs (even many of the largest) only have one prefix in use, at least right now. Also, the IPv6 space is supposed to be less fragmented when it comes to location. -- Chris Adams Systems and Network Administrator - HiWAAY Internet Services I don't speak for anybody but myself - that's enough trouble. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: fedoraproject.org down (ipv6 only)
Once upon a time, Michael Cronenworth said: > I waited 24 hours and I still don't see a ping response or HTTP. It may > be my end though since others are reporting it working. > > $ traceroute6 fedoraproject.org > traceroute to fedoraproject.org (2610:28:200:1::fed0:1), 30 hops max, 80 > byte packets > 1 2002:615d:dfb4:1::1 (2002:615d:dfb4:1::1) 1.965 ms 2.555 ms 2.443 ms > 2 * * * > 3 sl-bb1v6-sea-t-1001.sprintv6.net (2001:440:1239:1008::2) 75.719 > ms 76.949 ms 76.893 ms > 4 2001:440:1239:1013::2 (2001:440:1239:1013::2) 101.082 ms 100.954 > ms 100.893 ms I also have an IPv6 tunnel to Sprint, and I see it working: traceroute6 to fedoraproject.org (2610:28:200:1::fed0:1) from 2001:440::ff4b::2, 64 hops max, 12 byte packets 1 sl-bb1v6-fw-t-37.sprintv6.net (2001:440::ff4b::1) 21.514 ms 21.615 ms 21.472 ms 2 sl-bb1v6-sea-t-1001.sprintv6.net (2001:440:1239:1008::2) 88.558 ms 88.986 ms 88.611 ms 3 2001:440:1239:1013::2 (2001:440:1239:1013::2) 112.097 ms 112.111 ms 128.273 ms 4 ge-0-1-0.82.rtr.salt.net.internet2.edu (2001:468:ff:17c4::1) 139.529 ms 140.165 ms 139.725 ms 5 * * * 6 * * * 7 * * * 8 2001:468::155::2 (2001:468::155::2) 143.351 ms 161.345 ms 161.480 ms 9 2610:28:10e:2::1 (2610:28:10e:2::1) 146.344 ms 145.950 ms 147.411 ms 10 2610:28:105:13::2 (2610:28:105:13::2) 145.395 ms 148.297 ms 146.027 ms 11 2610:28:200:1::fed0:1 (2610:28:200:1::fed0:1) 146.802 ms !P 150.567 ms !P 150.150 ms !P -- Chris Adams Systems and Network Administrator - HiWAAY Internet Services I don't speak for anybody but myself - that's enough trouble. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: fedoraproject.org down (ipv6 only)
Once upon a time, Todd Zullinger said: > I recall Matt Domsch mentioning this when he set things up yesterday. > The geo-ip information available to mirrormanager from Maxmind isn't > very complete. I was just looking to see if Maxmind had an IPv6 database (we use Maxmind's country database that is available for free here), and they show US for my IPv6 IP. I would guess there's a bug in mirrormanager's handling of IPv6 and geoip lookups. -- Chris Adams Systems and Network Administrator - HiWAAY Internet Services I don't speak for anybody but myself - that's enough trouble. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: fedoraproject.org down (ipv6 only)
Once upon a time, Todd Zullinger said: > The records were added in the past few hours. If it's causing > any problems the folks in #fedora-admin on irc.freenode.net would > probably like to know. That, or file a ticket with the infrastructure > team via https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ (this > requires a Fedora Account). It appears that the mirrormanager is not handling IPv6 correctly. I have a Hurricane Electric IPv6 tunnel (from Ashburn, Virginia) to my home network, and now mirrormanager is giving me non-geolocated URLs. I needed to install something, and one hit downloaded from Brazil, and the next hit from Russia. I've filed this here: https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/1645 -- Chris Adams Systems and Network Administrator - HiWAAY Internet Services I don't speak for anybody but myself - that's enough trouble. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: fedoraproject.org down (ipv6 only)
Once upon a time, Michael Cronenworth said: > I see fedoraproject.org has a record now (how new is that?) but the > IP is not responding today. Access to fedoraproject was working up until > today so I'm not sure if the record is brand new today or if it's > just down. > > $ ping6 fedoraproject.org > PING fedoraproject.org(2610:28:200:1::fed0:1) 56 data bytes > ^C > --- fedoraproject.org ping statistics --- > 11 packets transmitted, 0 received, 100% packet loss, time 10721ms It has been just over an hour since your message, but it works for me now: $ ping6 -c1 fedoraproject.org PING fedoraproject.org(2610:28:200:1::fed0:1) 56 data bytes 64 bytes from 2610:28:200:1::fed0:1: icmp_seq=1 ttl=56 time=57.6 ms --- fedoraproject.org ping statistics --- 1 packets transmitted, 1 received, 0% packet loss, time 57ms rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 57.627/57.627/57.627/0.000 ms -- Chris Adams Systems and Network Administrator - HiWAAY Internet Services I don't speak for anybody but myself - that's enough trouble. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: quotas on nfs share
Once upon a time, Aldo Foot said: > On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 9:25 PM, Chris Adams wrote: > <...snip...> > > If you want to edit quotas remotely, you have to use the -r option to > > edquota. This also requires adding the -S option to the rpc.rquotad > > call (in /etc/sysconfig/nfs on Fedora), but only works in rpc.rquotad > > was compiled with that support; the version in F9 and F10 was not, but > > F11 includes this support. > > I wanted to report back on this. > > >From my f11 box I tested using 'edquota -r' and it does see the nfs export > with quotas in it. I tried to edit quotas by entering numbers, but I cannot > save the changes because, unfortunately, my Centos 5.3 server does not > support the -S option to rpc.quotad, even tough the rquotad man page > explicitly > mentions the "-S, --setquota" options. > I modified the CentOS server /etc/sysconfig/nfs options, but rquotad does > not like -S. Since CentOS is based on RHEL, the newest RHEL is RHEL 5, RHEL 5 is based on FC6, and this option wasn't enabled in Fedora until F11 (hey, I can chain logic :-) ), I'm not suprised it isn't enabled in CentOS. I believe CentOS tries to stay as close to RHEL as possible, so I wouldn't expect them to change this unless Red Hat does. I am kind of suprised that Red Hat doesn't have this enabled though; there is a bug request to have this changed: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=469753 Another bug: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=497013 it is stated that this will not change for RHEL 5. Maybe this will change for RHEL 6 (since it is now enabled in F11). -- Chris Adams Systems and Network Administrator - HiWAAY Internet Services I don't speak for anybody but myself - that's enough trouble. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: virt-install - Custom Disk layout Missing while instalation
Once upon a time, Mohammad Mateen Aslam said: > Everything goes fine and until i reached to disk partition step where i find > no custom layout option ... > More over it dont ask for any software packages and just do standard > installation. what to do to have custom package installer. IIRC, the text mode installer lost some of these options in F11 (nothing to do with virtualization). -- Chris Adams Systems and Network Administrator - HiWAAY Internet Services I don't speak for anybody but myself - that's enough trouble. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Fedora And Virtualization
Once upon a time, Tom Horsley said: > True. The xen paravirtualization is indeed fast, but needs kernel > support in the VM with a paravirt aware kernel, which you can get for > linux kernels (sometimes, depending on the current state of > patches) I think all the paravirt kernel patches are upstream now. Fedora has been shipping paravirt-capable kernels for a while now, and I don't think there are extra patches to support that. The non-upstreamed, patches still needed piece is the Xen hypervisor itself. That's the part that Fedora has _not_ shipped for a while, due to the workload of trying to maintain patches against current kernels. The nice thing about Xen (vs. KVM) is that when a paravirt OS is available (e.g. almost any Open Source OS), you don't need any special hardware to get a near-full-speed virtual host. With KVM, you must have a CPU with virtualization extensions supported and enabled. AMD leaves hardware-virt out of a few of the low-end CPUs, and Intel a few more. -- Chris Adams Systems and Network Administrator - HiWAAY Internet Services I don't speak for anybody but myself - that's enough trouble. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: quotas on nfs share
Once upon a time, Aldo Foot said: > >From what you say, it appears the only difference is that I have a > CentOS server and an F11 client. So far, I've only used remount to > enable the quotas on the server. I'll see what reboot does. I'll try > the 'edquota -r'. "mount -o remount" will not actually enable quotas, at least on ext3. usrquota and grpquota are not options that can be changed while the filesystem is mounted. You must unmount the filesystem and mount it with quotas enabled or reboot the server. -- Chris Adams Systems and Network Administrator - HiWAAY Internet Services I don't speak for anybody but myself - that's enough trouble. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: quotas on nfs share
Once upon a time, Aldo Foot said: > I cannot believe that it's not possible to enable nfs quotas *on fedora* at > all. > I guess this is not done frequently enough to catch people's attention. With NFS, quotas are set up on the server's underlying filesystem. You then run rpc.rquotad on the server (which the Fedora nfs init script starts by default). I just set up quotas on my home NFS server (which is still running F9). I had to reboot to get them enabled on the filesystem (probably could have unmounted/remounted and then restarted NFS services, but this box reboots in under a minute anyway). I can see them with the quota command on the NFS client, and they are enforced. If you want to edit quotas remotely, you have to use the -r option to edquota. This also requires adding the -S option to the rpc.rquotad call (in /etc/sysconfig/nfs on Fedora), but only works in rpc.rquotad was compiled with that support; the version in F9 and F10 was not, but F11 includes this support. None of the other quota commands (such as quotacheck, quotaon, etc.) work on the NFS client, because those operate directly on the local filesystem only. All of this works fine for me between an F9 NFS server and an F11 NFS client, except for the rpc.rquotad -S option (which should work when I get the NFS server upgraded). -- Chris Adams Systems and Network Administrator - HiWAAY Internet Services I don't speak for anybody but myself - that's enough trouble. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Three kinds of packages
Once upon a time, Bill Davidsen said: > Save it for some politics group, anyone who doesn't think scanning phone > conversations and email without warrant and torture are okay should go to > alt.fan.rush-limbaugh. This is not the place. You are the one that brought the political crap up here (and you can stick Rush Limbaugh where the sun don't shine as far as I'm concerned). > This has been discussed on the LKML, please read there. The last opinion I > saw of any authority said that using header files did not make it a derived > work. Please discuss that elsewhere. Again, you brought it up here. There's more than header files involved in some of these things. People treat use of header files or linking as the line between derived and not derived, but it isn't as clear cut as that (ask a lawyer). -- Chris Adams Systems and Network Administrator - HiWAAY Internet Services I don't speak for anybody but myself - that's enough trouble. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Three kinds of packages
Once upon a time, Bill Davidsen said: > I would just like to remind people that there are not two (Fedora and > non-free) kinds of package, but three, the totally free (Fedora), the close > source but legal (fglrx and similar vendor drivers), and the only legal in > the free world, restricted in fascist countries. > > I mention this because vendor drivers, while not open source, are free and > legal to use and redistribute. So let's not talk about rpmfusion and *forge > software as illegal, much of it is not, even in the USA. Aside from calling the US fascist (which is a little over the top, especially since the US isn't the only country that has allowed and/or enforced the stupid patents), you're wrong on another point. A number of the closed source kernel modules are of questionable legality (and not just in the US), because they may be derived works of the Linux kernel. A derived work of the kernel must be GPLv2, which can't be closed source. -- Chris Adams Systems and Network Administrator - HiWAAY Internet Services I don't speak for anybody but myself - that's enough trouble. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
F11 GNOME: How to get the terminal bell back?
In both plain old xterm and gnome-terminal, the terminal bell (e.g. from tab completion, "ping -a", etc.) is now captured by GNOME and plays a sound effect instead of just beeping the PC speaker. I guess that's nice if you like sound effects and/or your PC speaker doesn't work, but I want the plain old beep back? How do I get that? If I go to Preferences->Sound, I can only change the sound effect or disable it; I can't get the PC speaker to beep. I guess I'd like to leave the GNOME "alert sound" to a sound effect (I don't really care about it); I just want my xterms to beep at me like they have for the last 18 years. The sound effects really suck for "ping -a"; they are all a little too long (most of the time), so instead of a regular beep-per-second, you get intermittent sound effects and silence. -- Chris Adams Systems and Network Administrator - HiWAAY Internet Services I don't speak for anybody but myself - that's enough trouble. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Best way to send SMS messages
Once upon a time, Bill Davidsen said: > Any thoughts on the optimal solution? It would be useful to be able to send > a standard SMS like a human text, rather than one of those eMail to SMS > gateways which send all the headers and such. I have a Multi-Tech GSM modem attached via USB. I use gnokii-smsd, which uses a database (MySQL in my case) to queue inbound and outbound messages. I have a simple perl script that inserts a message into the outbound table, and gnokii-smsd sends it (we use this with Nagios for alerting). We have an AT&T contract at work, so we ordered another line (and phone and SIM) with unlimited text messaging. You have to put the SIM card into a phone to activate it with AT&T (they don't send them out ready to use), and then you just stick the SIM card in the modem. I think with T-Mobile (the other GSM provider in the US), you can get just a SIM (no phone) and it will be ready to use when you get it. I believe that Multi-Tech also has CDMA phones that can be used with either Sprint or Verizon, but I'm not sure exactly how that works (how you get them activated and such). I had to make some changes to the kernel ti_usb_3410_5052 module to load different firmware for the Multi-Tech modem, but it should work out of the box with kernel 2.6.29 and newer (my changes went upstream in that version). -- Chris Adams Systems and Network Administrator - HiWAAY Internet Services I don't speak for anybody but myself - that's enough trouble. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: F11: Static linking now impossible?
Once upon a time, Tom Horsley said: > I'm sure I told it to install all the software development > package groups, but I just tried this: > > tomh> gcc -g -static -o fact /usr/lib/NightView/fact.c Static linking doesn't guarantee a binary that doesn't look for dynamic libraries at run-time and doesn't get sub-arch specific code (among other reasons), so it is discouraged. Why are you trying to link statically? -- Chris Adams Systems and Network Administrator - HiWAAY Internet Services I don't speak for anybody but myself - that's enough trouble. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Root Access
Once upon a time, Tim said: > On Sun, 2009-06-14 at 12:41 +0100, Steve Searle wrote: > > What does logging in as root give you that can't be achieved by > > logging in as yourself and using su? > > I imagine the common problem being using a menu to fire off the things > you want to configure. Everything that requires root access to configure should be prompting for it. If you find something that isn't, that's a bug and should be filed. -- Chris Adams Systems and Network Administrator - HiWAAY Internet Services I don't speak for anybody but myself - that's enough trouble. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: HOWTO? Install TrueType fonts (not MS freefonts) onto Fedora 10
Once upon a time, Kevin Kofler said: > Tim wrote: > > Surely not... If you copy a file to a standard location, it should get > > set the proper contexts, during the copy. > > That's not how SELinux works. It'll copy the context from the original > location. Nope. "cp" does not copy context by default, so a file would inherit the context of the destination directory. You have to specify additional options to copy context. If you "mv" a file, the context is not changed. -- Chris Adams Systems and Network Administrator - HiWAAY Internet Services I don't speak for anybody but myself - that's enough trouble. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Fresh Fedora 11 fetches 362MB+ of updates, where's deltaRPM?
Once upon a time, Rahul Sundaram said: > Correct but if they do mirror delta rpm's they would get higher I/O > since clients would be fetching a series of smaller packages instead of > bigger ones. It may be slightly more I/O on the directories, but those mostly live in the cache anyway. It'll save I/O and bandwidth if they download less. -- Chris Adams Systems and Network Administrator - HiWAAY Internet Services I don't speak for anybody but myself - that's enough trouble. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Fresh Fedora 11 fetches 362MB+ of updates, where's deltaRPM?
Once upon a time, Robert P. J. Day said: > where is this "362MB" of updates coming from? immediately after i > installed, i switched yum to "keepcache" to have a record of all > updates in case i want to install on a 2nd system, and the updates > packages directory contains only 188M right now in 87 packages, and > there are no pending updates. Some people have more packages installed than others. On my mirror, updates/11/x86_64 has 1728 RPMs totalling just over 3G of disk. -- Chris Adams Systems and Network Administrator - HiWAAY Internet Services I don't speak for anybody but myself - that's enough trouble. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Fresh Fedora 11 fetches 362MB+ of updates, where's deltaRPM?
Once upon a time, Frank Cox said: > I have several computers and I'm not short of bandwidth (gosh, it's nice to be > able to say that) but it's still nice to be able to get things done > efficiently. But Rahul said that some mirror folks might prefer to avoid the > extra processing required by the deltarpm stuff in favour of the use of extra > bandwidth. Is there additional processing needed on the mirrors? I thought this was just the additional drpms directory as far as mirrors as concerned (which mirrors could exclude if desired and they'd be dropped from the appropriate mirrorlist files). -- Chris Adams Systems and Network Administrator - HiWAAY Internet Services I don't speak for anybody but myself - that's enough trouble. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: F11 dvd media errors
Once upon a time, Joe Smith said: > A fallback would be slick, but I'd be happy it it would just stop > installing packages and do whatever final set up is needed to leave a > bootable, if not entirely complete, system. The problem there is that it is being processed as a single big RPM transaction, and aborting part way through is really a mess. -- Chris Adams Systems and Network Administrator - HiWAAY Internet Services I don't speak for anybody but myself - that's enough trouble. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: F11 dvd media errors
Once upon a time, Patrick O'Callaghan said: > On Fri, 2009-06-12 at 16:27 +0100, Alan Cox wrote: > > Somewhere around Red Hat 9 I filed an RFE that any package it couldn't > > read off CD/DVD it would let you go to the network to download. Sadly its > > not been followed up in all the years since. > > > > In RH9 days it would have been quite hard, today it ought to be far > > easier. > > Interesting thought. In fact there's no reason an install DVD can't > offer you stuff that's not physically present. Maybe it'll come into its > own for Fedora ??, when the full set of standard packages won't fit on a > single-layer DVD :-) Um, I'm pretty sure it already does that. The network repos are listed, you just have to click to enable them. What Alan is talking about is a little more difficult, because you'd have to have the network as a fall-back for the local media. I believe yum can do this with mirrors (if one fails, fall-back to another), but I don't know how anaconda sets up the local and network repos. If the network was enabled, and if the repos were set up essentially with file:/// as the preferred and network mirrors lower preference, the fall-back should work. -- Chris Adams Systems and Network Administrator - HiWAAY Internet Services I don't speak for anybody but myself - that's enough trouble. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Is there an X11 terminal font similar to the console font t.fnt.gz
Once upon a time, Tom Horsley said: > I have loved the 9x15 font for years as the single best fixed width > font (yes, it is bitmap, yes it isn't anit-aliased - it merely > looks better than all other fixed witdth fonts :-). No way; "fixed" (aka 6x13) forever! :-) It would be nice if "fixed" was vectorized though (I like the shape of the characters in it), so I could scale it on some hi-DPI displays. I'm betting that's a lot of work though. -- Chris Adams Systems and Network Administrator - HiWAAY Internet Services I don't speak for anybody but myself - that's enough trouble. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Will F11 save sessions?
Once upon a time, David said: > As of today...Gnome save session still does not 'work'. As of today, as > far as I know, there is no 'time' when it will. Why can this change not be reverted, at least in Fedora? -- Chris Adams Systems and Network Administrator - HiWAAY Internet Services I don't speak for anybody but myself - that's enough trouble. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: I'd like to get rid of pulseaudio but ... (Gene Heskett)
Once upon a time, Bruno Wolff III said: > On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 13:26:17 -0500, > Chris Adams wrote: > > HTTPS with an unknown self-signed cert is barely any more secure than > > unencrypted HTTP, since a man-in-the-middle attack could just be > > replacing the cert and decrypting all communications. > > No it is a much harder attack than snooping. To do man in the middle you need > to be able to take packets out of the stream and redirect them. This needs to > be done in real time and if you guess wrong about whether the other end knows > what the certificate is, people are going to notice you doing it. ISTR if you can snoop you can hijack the TCP session setup by responding first (aren't out-of-window packets ignored?). You don't have to cause the "real" responses to be dropped, you just have to respond faster. > And be sure to note that certificate signed by RSA, Thawte or whoever doesn't > equate to secure either. Unless you have verified the end certificate > yourself you don't know that the organization on the other end is who you > really mean to be talking to. You are trusting that the CAs have done the verification, which they do (to differing degrees). -- Chris Adams Systems and Network Administrator - HiWAAY Internet Services I don't speak for anybody but myself - that's enough trouble. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: self-signed certificates (was Re: I'd like to get rid of pulseaudio but ...)
Once upon a time, Wolfgang S. Rupprecht said: > It is a shame that there isn't a simple documented way to add other CA's > to Firefox's approved list or some system global way to add CA's for all > programs looking for pki certs. For Firefox, you just have to publish the cert in DER format (with the MIME type application/x-x509-ca-cert). If you click on such a link, Firefox will ask you if you wish to trust the cert (and what classes of things you trust it for). -- Chris Adams Systems and Network Administrator - HiWAAY Internet Services I don't speak for anybody but myself - that's enough trouble. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: I'd like to get rid of pulseaudio but ... (Gene Heskett)
Once upon a time, Kevin Kofler said: > Most likely it's just a self-signed SSL certificate. Very common, and > Firefox stupidly throws a fit over it (which is dumb because it encourages > sites to just use unencrypted HTTP instead, which is even less secure, yet > gets through with no warning). Just OK the certificate. HTTPS with an unknown self-signed cert is barely any more secure than unencrypted HTTP, since a man-in-the-middle attack could just be replacing the cert and decrypting all communications. However, the reason to "throw a fit" is that end-users have been trained that "HTTPS == secure". They know that HTTP is not secure, but they don't know the details of how SSL/TLS work to know that "HTTPS with unknown cert != secure". -- Chris Adams Systems and Network Administrator - HiWAAY Internet Services I don't speak for anybody but myself - that's enough trouble. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: bluetooth mounse becomes erratic when network load is moderate.
Once upon a time, Wendell Nichols said: > Wireless ethernet and bluetooth are simply not > compatable in the same area. Many notebooks have both built-in, and they work at the same time just fine. -- Chris Adams Systems and Network Administrator - HiWAAY Internet Services I don't speak for anybody but myself - that's enough trouble. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
