Re: PIK microcontroller development issues
Hi, all, Thanks to Tom, Chit, and g. I have to go get my Christmas lights down and stowed, clean up some place for relatives to stay, and then I'll get back on this. I didn't even thing to look for another mailing list, DUHHH!!! I'll try all the hints, gather more information and subscribe to the FEL list as soon as my melons (honey dos) are complete. For the non-americans, honeydew is a delicious melon. The pun is that wives give us a list of things to do, Honey, do this please? Regards, Les H On Mon, 2009-12-28 at 04:04 +, g wrote: Chitlesh GOORAH wrote: On Sun, Dec 27, 2009 at 6:05 PM, g wrote: Yes the Fedora Electronic Lab mailing list might be helpful for you. i am already on list. i imagine that Les hlhow...@pacbell.net will soon be joining, as well as any members on this list that are interested in micro controllers. from comments you have made in fel list, i felt that you followed this list also and would soon hear form you. glad you did not disappoint me. :) sdcc has its binaries in /usr/libexec/sdcc in order not to create conflicts with other general software. can you create a file /etc/profile.d/mypiklab.sh and add the following contents # export PATH=$PATH:/usr/libexec/sdcc #-- can, and will. Then reboot and try piklab again. If you still have issues with it, please post an example (on FEL's mailing list) so that we can reproduce this error. will do tonight and post results to fel tsl. also, since you are interested in microcontroller programming, do check: * gnusim8085 * gsim85 * avra * mcu8081ide i had many of the fel additions, above included, tho not all check out yet, in fel f8 and f11, but do to 'auto upgrade' crashing and trashing system beyond practical recovery, i am currently rebuilding under f12. PS: I'll be offline in the month of January. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Vacation enjoy your vacation. Please post your FEL related issues on FEL's mailing list. when i find them, i will. fel tsl has help in keeping them to a minimum. later, chit. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
PIK microcontroller development issues
to discover any or all of the following: A. shared object file name B. install paths C. errors being generated if they don's show up in the gpsim windows (clearly the cause of not quoting error messages here other than the one that gpsim couldn't find the processor which appears in two different forms depending on how I invoke it). 2. A process to get gpsim working on Fedora (this seems to be a F11 issue because I have had little luck finding solutions on the web despite working on this for weeks.) 3. Once past 1 and 2, integrating the works for F11. Maybe I can get some of you interested in neat microcontroller programming. These little mcpus are really quite powerful and neat for all kinds of jobs. Thanks for any and all help, Les H -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: man 3 switch
and truncation errors can occur at intervals of 38, 72 and 134 if I remember correctly, at least something like these intervals where the rounding function will produce one number in one implementation and a different number in another. I have had people argue with me about my code being wrong, even after I would write a test case and show them that the problem wasn't the code, but rather the choice of compiler and its resultant choice of floating point implementation. It gets more arcane with chained calculations. Each time you multiply two numbers together, there is an associated rounding error. But it is generally quite small, and in most processors moved out a few bits at the stated resolution. However a write to memory forces the truncation at the stated accuracy, and then it begins to affect really complex algorithms, such as the FFT or some arc calculation programs that use squares and square roots. Or in some graphics calculations where the round off and truncation errors lead to additional distortion in the periphery of the visual field due to the combination of those errors and the planarity (sp?) error of presenting a spherical result on a flat plane. i.e. a lens product on a monitor. Maybe the photons particles don't perform that task well either. But how would you categorize all these different effects, provide examples, show the results in the several cases and also hopefully add some guidance (such as man pages do) for the combinatorial effects? Regards, Les H -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Recurrent error on yum update
Hi everyone, I am getting the following recurrent error on yum update: ERROR with rpm_check_debug vs depsolve: kernel-uname-r = 2.6.27.29-170.2.78.fc10.i686 is needed by kmod-em8300-2.6.27.29-170.2.78.fc10.i686-0.17.3-1.fc10.2.i686 kernel-uname-r = 2.6.27.29-170.2.79.fc10.i686 is needed by kmod-em8300-2.6.27.29-170.2.79.fc10.i686-0.17.3-1.fc10.3.i686 kernel-uname-r = 2.6.27.30-170.2.82.fc10.i686 is needed by kmod-em8300-2.6.27.30-170.2.82.fc10.i686-0.17.3-1.fc10.4.i686 Please report this error at http://yum.baseurl.org/report And here is what I have from yum: yum info kernel Loaded plugins: dellsysidplugin2, refresh-packagekit Installed Packages Name : kernel Arch : i586 Version: 2.6.30.5 Release: 43.fc11 Size : 50 M Repo : installed Summary: The Linux kernel URL: http://www.kernel.org/ License: GPLv2 Description: The kernel package contains the Linux kernel (vmlinuz), the core of : any Linux operating system. The kernel handles the basic functions : of the operating system: memory allocation, process allocation, : device input and output, etc. Name : kernel Arch : i586 Version: 2.6.30.8 Release: 64.fc11 Size : 50 M Repo : installed From repo : updates Summary: The Linux kernel URL: http://www.kernel.org/ License: GPLv2 Description: The kernel package contains the Linux kernel (vmlinuz), the core of : any Linux operating system. The kernel handles the basic functions : of the operating system: memory allocation, process allocation, : device input and output, etc. Name : kernel Arch : i586 Version: 2.6.30.9 Release: 90.fc11 Size : 50 M Repo : installed From repo : updates Summary: The Linux kernel URL: http://www.kernel.org/ License: GPLv2 Description: The kernel package contains the Linux kernel (vmlinuz), the core of : any Linux operating system. The kernel handles the basic functions : of the operating system: memory allocation, process allocation, : device input and output, etc. Available Packages Name : kernel Arch : i586 Version: 2.6.30.9 Release: 96.fc11 Size : 21 M Repo : updates Summary: The Linux kernel URL: http://www.kernel.org/ License: GPLv2 Description: The kernel package contains the Linux kernel (vmlinuz), the core of : any Linux operating system. The kernel handles the basic functions : of the operating system: memory allocation, process allocation, : device input and output, etc. And here is the processor information from dmesg: CPU: Trace cache: 12K uops, L1 D cache: 8K CPU: L2 cache: 512K CPU: Physical Processor ID: 0 CPU: Processor Core ID: 0 Intel machine check architecture supported. Intel machine check reporting enabled on CPU#0. CPU0: Intel P4/Xeon Extended MCE MSRs (12) available CPU0: Thermal monitoring enabled Checking 'hlt' instruction... OK. ACPI: Core revision 20090320 ftrace: converting mcount calls to 0f 1f 44 00 00 ftrace: allocating 18705 entries in 37 pages Failed to register trace ftrace module notifier ..TIMER: vector=0x30 apic1=0 pin1=2 apic2=-1 pin2=-1 CPU0: Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 3.00GHz stepping 09 Booting processor 1 APIC 0x1 ip 0x6000 Initializing CPU#1 Calibrating delay using timer specific routine.. 5983.76 BogoMIPS (lpj=2991880) CPU: Trace cache: 12K uops, L1 D cache: 8K CPU: L2 cache: 512K CPU: Physical Processor ID: 0 CPU: Processor Core ID: 0 Intel machine check architecture supported. Intel machine check reporting enabled on CPU#1. CPU1: Intel P4/Xeon Extended MCE MSRs (12) available CPU1: Thermal monitoring enabled x86 PAT enabled: cpu 1, old 0x7040600070406, new 0x7010600070106 CPU1: Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 3.00GHz stepping 09 checking TSC synchronization [CPU#0 - CPU#1]: passed. Brought up 2 CPUs Total of 2 processors activated (11968.03 BogoMIPS). My question: Do I need to go to the i686 Kernel? and if so, how do I get yum to do that, and once it does will my system require a complete rebuild. If so will yum manage that or will I need to re-install from scratch? This system was upgraded via the 10-11 upgrade by yum. Regards, Les H -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: DVD burning issue
On Sat, 2009-09-26 at 22:12 +0200, mo wrote: On Fri, 2009-09-25 at 17:09 -0400, David Boles wrote: On 9/25/2009 1:57 PM, Les wrote: Hi, everyone, I am having difficulty burning an ISO to try F11 on another computer. I want to burn the live iso image to a dvd. I have tried this several times and get a really stupid error. It appears the whole disk is created, and the finished message appears, BUT then the software attempts to create the checksum and things go badly. I have tried this both as my user and superuser, with the same issues. It appears that the cd/dvd library opens the disk, burns the image, then attempts to reopen it exclusively as the raw device for the checksum creation without dismounting it so the remount is denied. But maybe I am wrong. Is anyone else having this kind of problem? And how can this happen as superuser? Are there any known work-arounds? I couldn't find a recent version of this problem when I looked yesterday. 8 snip 8 First: Why are you trying to burn a Live-CD ISO note the CD part of the name to a DVD disk? Isn't CD functionality supposed to be included in DVD functionality? I thought that DVD is sort of backward compatible with CD. By the way, I have also experienced this Burning issue. -- Ok, I missed the post asking why I was trying to burn the live-cd ISO. I didn't see that in the name... Therefore I didn't know it was an issue. Meanwhile I downloaded another image and finally found a bugzilla which said the problem was related to checksum generation for the image. I turned off the checksum and was successful in writting the DVD image, but the system I wanted to check would not boot from its DVD, due to a bios restriction. I then came back to my system and attempted to burn a cdrom, with no success. Then I added K3b to my system and used it to burn the cdrom, and succeeded. It appears that brasero has some fundamental problems, and the error #12 was returned in all cases of trying to burn the image, and the image would not work. However by turning off the checksum plugin of brasero, I was able to get a dvd and by loading and running k3b I was able to get a CD, so I now have both, and a lot of junk disks which brasero never finalized, which I have tossed out. I'm a dim bulb when it comes to these cd and dvd formats, so I will look up the differences. But I do realize that the raw form of the iso image must include the disk structure, so it would be unlikely to work. Les H -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
DVD burning issue
Hi, everyone, I am having difficulty burning an ISO to try F11 on another computer. I want to burn the live iso image to a dvd. I have tried this several times and get a really stupid error. It appears the whole disk is created, and the finished message appears, BUT then the software attempts to create the checksum and things go badly. I have tried this both as my user and superuser, with the same issues. It appears that the cd/dvd library opens the disk, burns the image, then attempts to reopen it exclusively as the raw device for the checksum creation without dismounting it so the remount is denied. But maybe I am wrong. Is anyone else having this kind of problem? And how can this happen as superuser? Are there any known work-arounds? I couldn't find a recent version of this problem when I looked yesterday. Regards, Les H Here is the log from Brasero (running as superuser) Checking session consistency (brasero_burn_check_session_consistency burn.c:1905) BraseroBurnURI called brasero_job_get_action BraseroBurnURI called brasero_job_get_action BraseroBurnURI called brasero_job_set_output_size_for_current_track BraseroBurnURI stopping BraseroBurnURI called brasero_job_get_action BraseroBurnURI called brasero_job_get_session_output_size BraseroBurnURI output set (IMAGE) image = /tmp/brasero_tmp_6SQW0U.bin toc = none BraseroBurnURI called brasero_job_get_action BraseroBurnURI called brasero_job_get_current_track BraseroBurnURI called brasero_job_get_input_type BraseroBurnURI no burn:// URI found BraseroBurnURI stopping BraseroLocalTrack called brasero_job_get_action BraseroLocalTrack called brasero_job_get_action BraseroLocalTrack called brasero_job_set_output_size_for_current_track BraseroLocalTrack stopping BraseroLocalTrack called brasero_job_get_action BraseroLocalTrack called brasero_job_get_session_output_size BraseroLocalTrack output set (IMAGE) image = /tmp/brasero_tmp_A4QW0U.bin toc = none BraseroLocalTrack called brasero_job_get_action BraseroLocalTrack called brasero_job_get_current_track BraseroLocalTrack called brasero_job_get_input_type BraseroLocalTrack no remote URIs BraseroLocalTrack stopping BraseroChecksumImage called brasero_job_get_current_track BraseroChecksumImage called brasero_job_get_action BraseroChecksumImage called brasero_job_get_flags BraseroChecksumImage called brasero_job_get_action BraseroChecksumImage called brasero_job_get_action BraseroChecksumImage called brasero_job_get_fd_in BraseroChecksumImage called brasero_job_set_output_size_for_current_track BraseroChecksumImage stopping BraseroChecksumImage called brasero_job_get_current_track BraseroChecksumImage called brasero_job_get_action BraseroChecksumImage called brasero_job_get_flags BraseroChecksumImage called brasero_job_get_action BraseroChecksumImage called brasero_job_get_session_output_size BraseroChecksumImage output set (IMAGE) image = /tmp/brasero_tmp_BWRW0U.bin toc = none BraseroChecksumImage called brasero_job_get_action BraseroChecksumImage called brasero_job_get_action BraseroChecksumImage called brasero_job_get_input_type BraseroChecksumImage called brasero_job_set_current_action BraseroChecksumImage called brasero_job_get_fd_in BraseroChecksumImage called brasero_job_get_current_track BraseroChecksumImage called brasero_job_get_current_track BraseroChecksumImage Starting checksuming file /home/lesh/Download/Fedora-11-i686-Live.iso (size = 721569792) BraseroChecksumImage called brasero_job_get_fd_out BraseroChecksumImage called brasero_job_get_current_track BraseroChecksumImage Setting new checksum (type = 2) c432e2bbef845117f3047f79aaf70419 ( before) BraseroChecksumImage Finished track successfully BraseroChecksumImage stopping BraseroLibburn called brasero_job_get_action BraseroLibburn called brasero_job_get_action BraseroLibburn unsupported operation BraseroLibburn deactivating BraseroLibburn called brasero_job_get_action BraseroLibburn called brasero_job_get_action BraseroLibburn called brasero_job_get_device BraseroLibburn Drive (/dev/sr1) init result = 1 BraseroLibburn called brasero_job_get_flags BraseroLibburn called brasero_job_get_media BraseroLibburn called brasero_job_get_fd_in BraseroLibburn called brasero_job_get_tracks BraseroLibburn called brasero_job_get_session_output_size BraseroLibburn called brasero_job_set_current_action BraseroLibburn burn_drive_convert_fs_adr( /dev/sr1 ) BraseroLibburn called brasero_job_set_dangerous BraseroLibburn called brasero_job_set_current_action BraseroLibburn burn_drive_is_enumerable_adr( /dev/sr1 ) is true BraseroLibburn Async START UNIT succeeded after 0.1 seconds BraseroLibburn mmc_set_streaming: end_lba=2295103 , r=3324 , w=5540 BraseroLibburn dvd/bd Profile= 1Bh , obs= 32768 , obs_pad= 1 BraseroLibburn DVD+R pre-track 01 : get_nwa(0), ret= 1 , d-nwa= 0 BraseroLibburn reserving track of 352336 blocks BraseroLibburn DVD pre-track 01 : demand=721569792, cap=4700372992 BraseroLibburn syncing cache
Re: Music Appreciation teaching program ??
. If you want to know why airplanes fail, examine the outliers, both those that never fail and those that fail more often or more catastrophically. Once this makes it into mainstream, many things will change for the better if people stick to analyzing all aspects of all the raw data. This is why it is impossible to say that formal training is better than adhoc knowledge, and is the prime reason that both formal training and informal training are necessary and valuable to all professions. In other words we are all have something to share. Just my opinion. Les H -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Failed upgrade to Fedora 11 from fedora 10
On Mon, 2009-09-21 at 10:02 -0400, Rese Soul wrote: Hi, I tried to upgrade from fedora 10 to fedora 11. Every thing seemed working fine, but after downloading every thing and rebooting the os blocks during startup. I have thye following error message: SELinux: Context System_u:Object_r:xdm_spool_t:so is not valid (left unmapped). I did the same from fedora 8 to fedora 10 and it worked perfectly. I used preupgrade. Thank you I had the same problem earlier. I had to do the following as recommended by Daniel Walsh: * Les, I believe something went wrong on your upgrade Could you execute yum reinstall selinux-policy-targeted And make sure this succeeds? If it does then see if you still see these messages. Also check the following semodule -l | grep unconfined To make sure you have 2 packages. ** After that it all appeared to work. I had also done an autorelabel, but I think what Daniel suggested was the real solution. All is well now. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Music Appreciation teaching program ??
On Mon, 2009-09-21 at 05:48 +0930, Tim wrote: On Sun, 2009-09-20 at 12:36 -0700, Craig White wrote: seriously, there are all sorts of trained and untrained musicians but whether a musician has knowledge or education in classical music is not necessarily important. The Beatles never knew how to read music. Just imagine how much better they could have been! ;-) Sorry, couldn't resist. Yes, there's a lot of talented people without formal training. But I tend to be more impressed by those with it. And they're certainly more able to work with other trained musicians, as they know how tell each other what needs doing. More, um, thingy, doesn't work too well. But I find it hard to believe that anyone actually doesn't like classical music if they like other forms of music. It is truly universal. Many do, without realising it, as it's used all over the place (cartoons, commercials, etc.). Though I've had many a good piece of music ruined for me, now, as I cannot avoid seeing Bugs Bunny and Elmer Fudd in my mind's eye while hearing the piece. Some are actively prejudiced against it. A friend's teenage son was trawling through the ring tones on his phone, commenting on ones he liked and disliked. He liked quite a few classical ones, but the moment I enlightened him, he deleted them. I caught him singing some music from a couple of operas, once or twice, but he had no idea. He'd heard them on TV somewhere, but no clue as to what they really were. Others will never get to hear it, because of the prejudices of those around them who will pick the music that's heard. They moment they hear it, they turn off or go away. Several composers were child prodigies, and gifted from birth. Their music is heard around the world, and admired. And yes, many received classical training once their capabilities were known, but their talent was present first, and in some cases, I believe schools take on such talent to further their own resume's. Its not that training doesn't matter, as much as the fact that the environment one chooses changes ones perspective of language and its usage to communicate those wants needs and desires you speak of. Yet music is a language of its own. As are most endeavors in life. One need not have formal training to succeed, but one must have access to the accumulated knowledge. Societies of elitists often try to corral the knowledge, and keep it captive so that they can continue to be rare and demand great sums for their skills, while many equally or possibly even better talents never get the chance. Programmers are kept from arising by the ACM as much as they are enabled by it. Electronics engineers are kept from mutual knowledge by the IEEE, as much as the members benefit from it. And yes, I do know the costs associated with maintaining the libraries (although given computers and disk sizes, the ability to maintain large libraries and search through them is falling exponentially faster than the law of gravity would accelerate a body in space.) So ones exposure to or non-exposure may reduce the acceptance of professionals, and minimize their earning potential, but the greater loser is society at large when preconceptions, such as the one against classical music or the one you espouse against those with little or no formal training are allowed to restrict the availability of those talents to the world (and the corrollary of poor performance as a comparison standard.) Just my humble opinion. Regards, Les H. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Lots of SELinux denial messages.
I have upgraded to F11 using the upgrade from the update process. And
it went smoothly. However, I am now getting a lot of SElinux messages
(I had to set it to permissive to get anything done at all.) I have
submitted bugs on two of them, and will submit more bugs later. I have
relabled the system (extensive and took time) used the restorecon
command where it was recommended, but still there are messages, and I
need to get those resolved prior to turning SELinux back on.
So I am including a few of the most predominate messages in this
message. If you have had these and have a cure, or know some approach
that is safe to turning these off so I can re-enable SELinux, please let
me know. If I get no responses in a day or so I will submit bugzillas
on these as well.
I should note that while the first shows a time of around 0300, my
system was idle at that time. I went to bed at about 2:30 and rebooted
at that time. Also I emptied the que of alerts when I logged on, so
these showed up today since about 9:30. There were four more of these
all targeting different objects.
Regards,
Les H
Summary:
SELinux is preventing dbus-daemon (system_dbusd_t) search
unconfined_t.
Detailed Description:
[SELinux is in permissive mode, the operation would have been denied but
was
permitted due to permissive mode.]
SELinux denied access requested by dbus-daemon. It is not expected that
this
access is required by dbus-daemon and this access may signal an
intrusion
attempt. It is also possible that the specific version or configuration
of the
application is causing it to require additional access.
Allowing Access:
You can generate a local policy module to allow this access - see FAQ
(http://fedora.redhat.com/docs/selinux-faq-fc5/#id2961385) Or you can
disable
SELinux protection altogether. Disabling SELinux protection is not
recommended.
Please file a bug report
(http://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/enter_bug.cgi)
against this package.
Additional Information:
Source Context
system_u:system_r:system_dbusd_t:s0-s0:c0.c1023
Target Context
unconfined_u:unconfined_r:unconfined_t:s0-s0:c0.c1
023
Target Objects9374 [ dir ]
Sourcedbus-daemon
Source Path /bin/dbus-daemon
Port Unknown
Host localhost.localdomain
Source RPM Packages dbus-1.2.12-2.fc11
Target RPM Packages
Policy RPMselinux-policy-3.6.12-82.fc11
Selinux Enabled True
Policy Type targeted
MLS Enabled True
Enforcing ModePermissive
Plugin Name catchall
Host Name localhost.localdomain
Platform Linux localhost.localdomain
2.6.30.5-43.fc11.i586
#1 SMP Thu Aug 27 21:18:54 EDT 2009 i686
i686
Alert Count 2
First SeenSat 19 Sep 2009 11:03:18 AM PDT
Last Seen Sat 19 Sep 2009 11:03:18 AM PDT
Local ID 136137e2-5f20-4d7d-88e5-a65c26b266a6
Line Numbers
Raw Audit Messages
node=localhost.localdomain type=AVC msg=audit(1253383398.33:262): avc:
denied { search } for pid=1472 comm=dbus-daemon name=9374 dev=proc
ino=42807 scontext=system_u:system_r:system_dbusd_t:s0-s0:c0.c1023
tcontext=unconfined_u:unconfined_r:unconfined_t:s0-s0:c0.c1023
tclass=dir
node=localhost.localdomain type=AVC msg=audit(1253383398.33:262): avc:
denied { read } for pid=1472 comm=dbus-daemon name=cmdline
dev=proc ino=42818
scontext=system_u:system_r:system_dbusd_t:s0-s0:c0.c1023
tcontext=unconfined_u:unconfined_r:unconfined_t:s0-s0:c0.c1023
tclass=file
node=localhost.localdomain type=SYSCALL msg=audit(1253383398.33:262):
arch=4003 syscall=5 success=yes exit=41 a0=2bd1290 a1=0 a2=249e
a3=bfca767c items=0 ppid=1 pid=1472 auid=4294967295 uid=81 gid=81
euid=81 suid=81 fsuid=81 egid=81 sgid=81 fsgid=81 tty=(none)
ses=4294967295 comm=dbus-daemon exe=/bin/dbus-daemon
subj=system_u:system_r:system_dbusd_t:s0-s0:c0.c1023 key=(null)
Summary:
SELinux is preventing dbus-daemon (system_dbusd_t) search
unconfined_t.
Detailed Description:
[SELinux is in permissive mode, the operation would have been denied but
was
permitted due to permissive mode.]
SELinux denied access requested by dbus-daemon. It is not expected that
this
access is required by dbus-daemon and this access may signal an
intrusion
attempt. It is also possible that the specific version or configuration
of the
application is causing it to require additional access.
Allowing Access:
You can generate a local policy module to allow this access - see FAQ
(http://fedora.redhat.com/docs/selinux-faq-fc5/#id2961385) Or you can
disable
SELinux
flash cookies
Have all of you seen this: http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/security/?p=2299tag=nl.e036 It appears that Adobe flash can generate its own form of cookie and even respawn HTTP cookies after your browser closes. I don't know yet if this affects our Fedora machines, but what a sneaky piece of crap. Regards, Les H -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: For hardware engineer types re: sound controlers and/or codec chips ??
explanation). So logically the Main processor will set up a process on the system that will send and receive encoded digital streams and tell the audio circuitry what is coming, how it is coded, how large the blocks are and so forth for sound output, whose size and transfer method depend upon the current expected standard and the chipset in use. The audio circuitry will process the digital input to sound output for speakers etc. The corresponding operation for audio in will setup the processor on the audio board for the signals to process, the method to use and size of the data blocks to transfer. The audio input from the microphones or other analog inputs are then sampled into digital data appropriately encoded to pass back to the computer where a waiting process will dispose of the data in the appropriate manner for the application. I hope that helps. Regards, Les H -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Question on shredding a terebyte drive
Earlier on in one of the threads, someone compared encryption with an envelope. That is pretty good. You know the information is in there, but the only way to get it is to open the envelope. The question is how long does it take to open the envelope. No encryption is unbreakable. The value of encryption is how long does it take to break it. One benchmark that is often quoted is a bruteforce attempt. Although it is not literally a every combination of input attempt, it is quite similar. If a single very high speed computer were used, and the algorithm was known or could be guessed, how long would it take to retrieve the message? This is those long years you see published. The purpose of encryption is simply to make the data harder to retrieve, not conceal it indefinitely. Some algorithms are meant to conceal just until the message is delivered, some to conceal for days, and some for years, none shield for centuries, but attempts are being made daily. Moreover as encryption algorithms become better understood, the applicable means to break encoding become more numerous, and the power of the computer (about 100Billion times more powerful today than in 1967) make encryption less and less secure at all levels. Of course computer speed also lends more encryption methods to the person shielding information as well, but that is basically an efficiency algorithm, not applicable to the direct computation of breaking any particular code. Alternate languages are the best bet. It is impossible to replicate the cultural differences on a computer (at least that is true today I think), so languages have distinct attributes that lend them to expressing ideas in a different cultural idiom, and until the language and/or culture are known, it is unfathomable, unless you find a decoded bit that you understand (the rosetta stone for example). Navajo code talkers were used by the US military for that same reason in the Second World War. If you are a number or math nut, encryption, prime numbers, fibbonacci numbers, and transforms of all varieties will be a really interesting topic of study. Your signature says that you are a professor of political science. Think about the political and cultural evolution of language, and then think of encryption as a means to code the thoughts of one culture to make it unique. What forces act on that to keep it quiet, and what forces work to weaken the culture. That is a form of code breaking. Regards, Les H On Wed, 2009-09-02 at 21:34 -0500, Paul Johnson wrote: On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 3:32 PM, Dean S. Messingde...@sharplabs.com wrote: I have a terebyte sata drive that I need to securely wipe clean. It originally had 2 partitions. I deleted them using `fdisk', rebooted, and then as root ran shred -vz /dev/sdd The drive is capable of about 60MB/sec, but shred is only shredding about 25MB every 5 seconds according to its output. Since the default number of passes is 25, this works out to about 5 days. I have been reading this thread wondering this: why do we have to shred the whole disk, why not just find the parts that are actually used and write over them a few times. I seriously doubt you have 1 terrabyte of precious data. Another idea just hit me. What if you encrypt the data on the disk. Ubuntu has that thing now to create a Private encrypted partition. Do that, move your precious stuff in there. then unmount. That is supposed to be just about impossible to recover, even for the NSA kids. Anybody know if it is easier to crack an ecrypted file system than recover shredded data? pj -- -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: plotting large datasets
On Fri, 2009-08-21 at 20:21 -0400, DJ Delorie wrote: NiftyFedora Mitch niftyfed...@niftyegg.com writes: 32 channels is a LOT. Hence the problem :-) Could you, an artist or a draftsman do it by hand? Do you need all 32 channels on one page? i.e. can you plot 4, 8, 16 to a page and just print more pages. Ideally, I'd have a GUI where I can select which channels to view, or show them all as a background color and select which ones to color/highlight. I don't need to see them *all* at the same time (at least, not in a way that each channel is uniquely identifiable) but the ones I do see should be together (same scale and axes). Now, if gnuplot had options for dashed or dotted lines, I might have squeaked by with it... I have used the charting capability of Calc (the spreadsheet) to plot data before, and that will handle quite a few lines at a time. Each data can be added or deleted easily from the range selection by simply typing in the range to view. Not quite like having a button that shows it, but perhaps you could write a macro to implement that capability? I have viewed 10 columns with over 3 samples each with this tool. I don't know about 32 columns, but it would probably handle that as well. Your biggest issue is how to set them up. The chart tool in calc will let you display them in various formats, and colors. Regards, Les H -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Testing upload/download bandwidth speeds for verification
It should also be noted that there is latency related to physical transmission speeds, so if the upload or download does checksums and verify handshaking, then there will be a delay of the roundtrip at the speed of light. Now this seems very fast to most folks, but electronically it is measurable, and on lines of several miles in length, it amounts to microseconds per block. If the block size is say 4K, and you download 4M, that is 1000 blocks. If the delay is 1usec, the total delay added is 1ms, or nearly 5000 bytes decrease at 5Mhz. Also there is additional overhead on normal transmissions that may not be in place on the speed test, and the speed test probably relates the bits/sec, which is not the same as the number of usable bytes, since the TCP uses quite a few bytes per block to specify various things about the transfer. All of this slows the response for actual file transfer, in addition to loading of the sending computer. On the speed tests, check both local responders and remote. I am in California, I regularly use Irvine and a system in New York. there is quite a difference. Regards, Les H On Fri, 2009-08-14 at 23:41 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote: Daniel B. Thurman wrote: I have been testing my residential ISP/DSL-Landline connections and wanted to make sure that I was getting what I am paying for. Supposedly, one can use the various website based speed test tools to determine their upload and download speeds. Are these speed test tools credible and can they be trusted? Of the several sites I have tried, they all more or less seemed to be in close agreement with one another in terms of the bandwidth speeds, i.e. my connection speed is quoted at 768KB/s up and 3MB/s down, and the farther away from central, the more reduced is the speeds are. The average speed tools says that I have measured speeds of 720-30 KB/s up and 2.0-5MB/s down. Why is it however, that when downloading software from the various Linux/M$ and other downloads sites I am seeing on average, speeds of 200-320(max) KB/s and never see anything much faster than that? Is this normal? Yes, very normal First, the download speed get from any site can only be as high as their upload speed. Second, run the web based speed checks from 2 or 3 different sites simultaneously and/or the same site multiple times simultaneously and see what the results are then. Those two things should shed some light as to why it is normal. Oh, and third, the software download sites probably also have rate limits on each upload (from their point of view) so that everyone gets the same level of service. All of these reasons are the driving force behind the development of bittorrent... Has anyone gotten download speeds any faster that what I have reported? What I am trying to determine is if my ISP only shows un-throttled speeds between me them, but then somehow throttles my bandwidth usage when I am using the Internet, or is it more probable that download speeds are being throttled from the download site itself? Other than by using `speed testers', I have yet to find a download site that pushes out more than 2-300KB/s? I have tried HTTP, FTP Bittorent and there is very little or no speed improvements as far as I can tell. Just wondering, Dan -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Failed dependency check on update
Hi, everyone, I just got a failed dependency check: em8300-kmod-common = 0.17.3 is needed by package kmod-em8300-2.6.27.29-170.2.78.fc10.i686-0.17.3-1.fc10.2.i686 (rpmfusion-free-updates) : Success - empty transaction So I am guessing that the kmod stuff is in flux right now. I seem to remember seeing somewhere that it was changing. Is there a plan going forward that someone might let us all know? Regards, Les H -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: OFF-TOPIC: Algol 60 guru required
On Mon, 2009-08-03 at 19:42 -0400, Kevin J. Cummings wrote: On 08/03/2009 05:58 PM, Hiisi wrote: Dear All! Sorry for this off-topic, but I could not see any solution to my problem. I'm trying to transform old Algol 60 program to C++. I can understand every syntax of it except this construction: D(N+1):=N(N+2):=0.0; Variables types: N - INTEGER D - REAL ARRAY What is it? How to represent in C++? Hope on this list there's people, who could remember that from the time... Thanks in advance! Classic ALGOL-60 requires that a subscript-list be enclosed in square brackets. I would expect your statement should read: D[N+1]:=N[N+2]:=0.0; But this doesn't answer the question of N. Is it an INTEGER scalar? INTEGER array? INTEGER procedure? Its the N(N+2) part that bothers me. The actual definitions of D and N would help here. An assignment statement is defined as: left-part-listexpression and a left-part-list is one or more variable := where each variable in the left-part-list receives the value of the expression. BTW, I'm just curious how you're handling the pass by name stuff -- Hiisi. Registered Linux User #487982. Be counted at: http://counter.li.org/ -- Kevin J. Cummings kjch...@rcn.com cummi...@kjchome.homeip.net cummi...@kjc386.framingham.ma.us Registered Linux User #1232 (http://counter.li.org) I don't know if many folks these days are familiar with the pass by name operation. Such code these days is generally not implemented due to the MANY serious issues with security, and most languages don't have any implementation for it (other than some runtime object language approximations using overloading to approximate it), and some list processing languages like Clisp. Anyway for the uninitiated, here is a fair explanation of how it works: http://www.cs.sfu.ca/~cameron/Teaching/383/PassByName.html I was going to write a C example, but I am just too rusty in Algol to be sure I coded it correctly. However, the Thunk method as shown using PASCAL is one method of implementing pass by value. Regards, Les H -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: cli guru needed
On Sun, 2009-08-02 at 20:03 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Sun, 2009-08-02 at 17:19 -0700, Les wrote: On Sun, 2009-08-02 at 14:38 -0400, Robert P. J. Day wrote: On Sun, 2 Aug 2009, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Sun, 2009-08-02 at 12:54 -0500, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote: Bazooka Joe wrote: Is there a way to combine these 2 commands to cut my time in half? VBoxManage internalcommands converttoraw file.vdi file.raw then I have to run dd if=file.raw of=/dev/sdb -thx You can can command on the same command in several ways. It depends on what you put between the command. ; - always run the next command. - run the second command only if the first command is successful. || - run the second command if the first one fails. How is this going to reduce his total time? The commands are still running sequentially. i'd bump up the blocksize of that dd command. IIRC, the default blocksize for dd is 512 bytes -- painfully small and resulting in lots and lots of little writes. crank up the blocksize significantly and that second command should speed up noticeably. rday if the vbox command can follow fully qualified paths, you should be able to simply say converttoraw file.vdi /pathtosda/file.raw However, going between disks may be faster or slower, depending on the way the command buffers the data, and/or handles disk I/O. Personally I think some fundamental experimentation is in order. There is a final issue in that some video files are protected in such a way that copying them is prohibited. I don't know or care about the details as I never do anything with video. However be aware that some driver software includes checks for pirating video and audio. If your driver is setup to prohibit copying according to the DMCA, it will not work as expected. AFAIK the OP is trying to convert a VB virtual disk to a raw format. Perhaps you misread vdi for dvi. I'm not sure it's even possible to do what he's asking, but it has nothing to do with video. poc Sorry, and you are correct, I did read vdi for dvi. Regards, Les H -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: cli guru needed
On Sun, 2009-08-02 at 14:38 -0400, Robert P. J. Day wrote: On Sun, 2 Aug 2009, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Sun, 2009-08-02 at 12:54 -0500, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote: Bazooka Joe wrote: Is there a way to combine these 2 commands to cut my time in half? VBoxManage internalcommands converttoraw file.vdi file.raw then I have to run dd if=file.raw of=/dev/sdb -thx You can can command on the same command in several ways. It depends on what you put between the command. ; - always run the next command. - run the second command only if the first command is successful. || - run the second command if the first one fails. How is this going to reduce his total time? The commands are still running sequentially. i'd bump up the blocksize of that dd command. IIRC, the default blocksize for dd is 512 bytes -- painfully small and resulting in lots and lots of little writes. crank up the blocksize significantly and that second command should speed up noticeably. rday if the vbox command can follow fully qualified paths, you should be able to simply say converttoraw file.vdi /pathtosda/file.raw However, going between disks may be faster or slower, depending on the way the command buffers the data, and/or handles disk I/O. Personally I think some fundamental experimentation is in order. There is a final issue in that some video files are protected in such a way that copying them is prohibited. I don't know or care about the details as I never do anything with video. However be aware that some driver software includes checks for pirating video and audio. If your driver is setup to prohibit copying according to the DMCA, it will not work as expected. dd may manage to copy the raw data, but again there may be information encoded that will prevent the copy from playing. Regards, Les H -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: preupgrade fails F10 - F11
On Fri, 2009-07-17 at 17:58 +0200, Janez Košmrlj wrote: Janez Košmrlj wrote: It downloads everything correctly, but after the reboot and start of the install process I get the message: /usr/tmp is not a symlink I checked this and on the hard drive /usr/tmp is a symlink to /var/tmp. I tried a couple of times, but I get the same error every time. Has anyone an idea how to fix this. anyone I cannot help you too much, but the link matches what I see. It may be that the website is checking your system to see if it is windows. Ubunto has some capabilities to overcome this dumb check, but Fedora doesn't. You have to add a package to your browser. Currently I use greasemonkey and default user agent. Between the two of them I get access to most sites. What is needed is an ethics rule preventing web programs from checking which system is installed. It shouldn't matter, if the web browsers are standards compliant and the programs are too. The web should be OS independent. Regards, Les H -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: mailing list pgp signatures...
On Sat, 2009-07-11 at 18:38 -0400, Steven W. Orr wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 07/11/09 18:05, quoth David: \ If I may, I'd like to amplify on G's lack of Netiquette. I am also using Thunderbird with the Enigmail plugin. I too have my system set up for Automatically Decrypt/Verify and was previously forced to have long delays every time I saw a message from him. AND I too have taken pains to have him filtered out of my sight. I am new to the use of PGP but I have studied it from the math, to the computer interface, to the historical and to the sociological aspects. We send mail via post office all the time and we sign them and seal our messages in an envelope. PGP is the same thing. I can send mail and set the From line to Barack Obama and it's trivial to do so. Or, I can send mail out as you and most people wouldn't be able to tell. We all know about how big a problem identity theft is and yet so few of us sign our mail. That absolutely fascinates me. So while G is acting like a nitwit by not even understanding how his behavior is fundamentally rude, I'd like to take this opportunity to encourage more of you to start signing your mail. There are basically two ways to do it. You can either use the PGP(or GnuPG) scheme, or you can use S/MIME. S/MIME is better for scalability in corporations. PGP is better in public. PGP is free and for SMIME to properly work, you have to get a cert from some trusted Cert Authority (CA). For most people, that would mean Verisign, and for others it would mean certs that shouldn't be trusted in the first place. Anyways, I said what I wanted to say and you can all do what you want, but maybe at least a few more will be better informed, and that's really why we're all here. This message is signed, but if you read it, you'll at least be able to fetch my public key. Hi, Steven, The point about the envelope is a good one. It is a point I never considered. But g's attitude doesn't make me fond of signing, in fact it does more to discourage users of messaging services to not use PGP or SMIME to sign messages. His actions slow access, disturb the flow of work and as you pointed out is generally rude to the users of the list. As to someone signing messages to look like him I don't see how that could happen, because the messages would have to be signed using his private key, unless he posted the private key as well. In any event, even your signature shows up as Valid signature, but cannot verify sender on my evolution. I have checked before to see what servers are searched and it appeared correct, but since it cannot verify sender, what does that really tell me? If the email were business related I would be suspicious the first few times, then forget about it as regards your emails, but wouldn't that weaken the process? In short, the problem I see with signatures right now, is the process is not well documented, and has more players than should be necessary. I don't know the solution, but the problems are somewhat self evident. If I cannot decipher some sigs, and cannot verify others, then what value is the process, and why would I add that overhead if it doesn't bring some real benefit. I am not trolling here, just stating the case as I see it. One might make it more robust and not pass on unregistered emails, nor those that do not pass verification (whatever that may end up being). But that would be the end of spammers as they would have to register, and be verified. There are too many interests with cash in hand to make that realistic. Any thoughts? Regards, Les H -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: problem with my laptop
On Sat, 2009-05-30 at 13:10 -0400, Nebur Álvarez B. wrote: hi!, before, my english is not very well, i'm sorry. i have a problem with my laptop (sony vaio vgn-nr330fe), when I execute many process, fails gnome and kde, and them does nothing when i try do click in anywhere place. I try find the error, but, I nothing found I am mindful of your comments best regards I saw that several people replied with some information. Did you check the log files? When the system next comes up, check the system logs to see what information they provide. Look at ApplicationsSystem ToolsSystem Log It may provide some useful information. Regards, Les H -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: WSJ - Article on Linux netbooks
On Fri, 2009-05-29 at 17:12 +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote: Konstantin Svist wrote: Is there a driver wrapper for printers out there (similar to ndiswrapper)? If not, there should be :P No, there shouldn't! We'll never get native, Free drivers that way. I don't want to have to use crappy buggy proprietary drivers which weren't even written for my operating system! Ndiscrapper (misspelling intentional) is a problem, not a solution. Buy a supported printer! (I recommend HP models supported by HPLIP without the binary plugin. Most HP printers are, but check the compatibility list to be sure.) Kevin Kofler But if one already has a system running windows and converts to Linux, this is not a good option. The software should run with stuff that is already working to be a good product. Otherwise we will just continue to be an also ran operating system. I use Linux on three systems now, and one of them works well, the other two less so, one couldn't update to F10 because of the APIC (sp?) option not working (an older IBM system). Another won't work with my wife's cell phone media, refusing to download her mp3 files (it just stalls, no error messages or any indication of what is happening). The third is still running Fedora 8 because it is just an old box I use for physical trouble shooting on electronics. Overall, I like Fedora, but seriously printer and peripheral incompatibility will kill wider adoption. It is about use, not ideology. If we could wield enough influence then product manufacturers would support Linux. But only if the interface is consistent in the various releases. The ball is in our court, whether we like it or not. And, by the way, why not enable a simple way to interface to Windows drivers? (I'm joking here, I know the issues.) I suspect that Windows has severe limitations on re-entrance, and most likely hasn't publicly documented that process, which is one of the real issues with drivers anyway. Regards, Les H -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: What /dev is ethernet Webcam
On Wed, 2009-05-27 at 16:31 +0100, Sharpe, Sam J wrote: Jim wrote: On 05/26/2009 09:00 PM, Rick Stevens wrote: grammar. ;-) Sorry about my grammar , but i never got past the Third Grade, my family was poor and I had to take up Bank Robbery, it pays better than having a College Ed-U-Ma-cation. Yes, but does Bank Robbery have a better 401K plan? -- Sam Be careful, Now that the government is in the banking business, you know how the politicians hate competition. Les H -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: [OT] electronic books. was; Re: Blinking lights of death ? Netgear Switch GS108
On Fri, 2009-05-01 at 14:03 +, g wrote: max wrote: What's a good electronics book? I'm looking for a beginner to intermediate skill level type book. a good question. i can only answer with, i started reading electronic books in library at around age of 9. i started working part time in a radio/tv repair shop at 13. correspondence course with rca at 14, electronics in usaf at 20. semiconductor manuals at 23, logic manuals at 28, oem cpu tech manuals at 34, and now reading on line at age 68 and still learning, it is difficult to say what i might consider 'beginner to intermediate'. best answer to give you is just go to local library and look up titles and start reading. today, there are so many 'beginner' books, it is not an easy question to answer. if you are in school and they have any course in electronics, ask what they use. or check with local college to see what they use. regardless of what you find, there is nothing wrong with finding several books and read them, because the more you read, the wider the range will be in your learning. i wish i could give you a more definitive answer, as it has been too long from when i started and i am still learning. if you have any further questioning along this subject, please contact me off list and i will reply. to continue such in this thread or thru this list, is not in keeping with etiquette policy of this tech support list. thank you. -- G is right on all counts. I would add that the brain is marvelous at relating information. If you read enough, even with little understanding, the common information will begin to become coherent and you will learn. That said, if you start with a few beginner articles, and please do the exercises they have, you will learn. The exercises are important to lock the information with the potential errors that you will encounter, and the effort needed to correct them. Like G, I started a long time ago, from vacuum tubes, and while the circuits have changed, the elements of design and software have not. Almost everything I ever learned has benefited me. Go for it! Regards, Les H -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Editor to program in C
On Tue, 2009-04-28 at 22:41 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: On Tuesday 28 April 2009, Dave Ihnat wrote: On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 08:34:09PM +0100, Chris Jones wrote: Emacs is my editor of choice, and I disagree it has a learning curve. ... snip vi on the other hand ;) Aw, crud. I've dealt with this stupid war for 28 years. And just to throw gas on the fire--so I'm not pacifist, sue me--I still think Emacs is overblown for an editor. A comment I made about Emacs about '82 or so on Usenet was, If I wanted an operating system, I'd get one. Emacs has everything except the kitchen sink. And someone pointed out the icon for Emacs was...well, guess. Naw, couldn't be. Say it isn't so... :) Does vim have an icon? I've never seen it if it does, but I don't use anything else enough to remember the syntax. Another valid comment about Emacs back then: Put your coffee cup on the keyboard and roll it around; it will hit keys that all do *something*. (Problem was, probably nothing you wanted.) Hey, strokes for folks--the great thing about Unix/Linux was summed up in another quote from those long-ago days: Unix doesn't just let you shoot yourself in the foot. It asks you what caliber you want. And I usually chose the 4 ga punt gun. Its so heavy the only thing I could hit is the floor cuz I could get it propped up on my foot. ;) And how many others here have ever even seen a punt gun? Was yours a muzzle loader or a breech loader? I shot one a long time ago. It was in a Jon Boat, with the pole support mounted in a hole in the front seat. Now that was true swampbilly technology. A whole flock of ducks or geese in one shot! Kinda like emacs. Regards, Les H -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Problems sending Emails
On Wed, 2009-04-29 at 12:27 -0400, Jim wrote: Jim wrote: Giuseppe Fuggiano wrote: 2009/4/29 Jim mickey...@sbcglobal.net: FC10/KDE4.2/ Thunderbird Sending Email Out to AOL.com. When I send a Email to a person at AOL.com I get a email , Failure to Send , Has anyone had problems like this ? They say the reason they can't send is because of a 421 Error My ISP ATT says it's because of Thunderbird, So I just hung up on them. Hi Jim, Your question is not very complete. It would be better to know _who_ emits that error and the complete string. What your ISP ATT is saying exactly about Thunderbird? The 421 error could refer to many protocols... Check these parameters: * The SMTP server should be a valid. * Also the recipient. Bye I did verify the smtp settings with my ISP and they they are correct. By reading the Failure email I'm getting back, below is the part of the email. Hi. This is the qmail-send program at yahoo.com. I'm afraid I wasn't able to deliver your message to the following addresses. This is a permanent error; I've given up. Sorry it didn't work out. x...@aol.com: 64.12.222.197 does not like recipient. Remote host said: 550 MAILBOX NOT FOUND Giving up on 64.12.222.197. I'am having only problems with emails to aol.com. I'm sbcglobal.net. Below is the full Failure message below, I xxx out email addresses and names Hi. This is the qmail-send program at yahoo.com. I'm afraid I wasn't able to deliver your message to the following addresses. This is a permanent error; I've given up. Sorry it didn't work out. xx...@aol.com: 64.12.222.197 does not like recipient. Remote host said: 550 MAILBOX NOT FOUND Giving up on 64.12.222.197. The email address was rejected. Probably the X name. Most spam filters will reject email with multiple X's in the account name because that is often spam or an attempt to hide the identity of the sender. If both are yours, and their spam filter was not the reject cause, you may discover that the registry had not yet fully propagated over their network of servers, and so a few minutes or days later it might work. Regards, Les H -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: who can introduce me some good redhat linux book and download links
On Sun, 2009-04-19 at 12:01 -0600, Frank Cox wrote: On Mon, 20 Apr 2009 00:57:39 +0800 Nathan Huang wrote: I am new fan in fedora redhat linux, I am intereted in linux and network administration, who can introduce me some execellent ebook, so that I can learn linux systematically. If you have a specific question this list is an excellent resource for getting information of all kinds, but you have to ask a good question to get a good answer. There are many good sites and tutorials on the net that you can find by typing your question or area of interest into Google. Since your interest is in network administration, I recommend this site which was (and is) an invaluable resource when setting up a network, mail server and so on: http://www.linuxhomenetworking.com/ However, if you don't know much about Linux in general, you may want to go through some of the many sites that I see when I type linux for beginners into the Google search box. -- MELVILLE THEATRE ~ Melville Sask ~ http://www.melvilletheatre.com Hi, Frank, You are both right and not right. There are a LOT of bits of information on the web. However, not all are well written or well supportive to the newbie. Some are even very out of date, which in some cases means wrong about how things work now. When a newbie asks this question they are looking for guidance on the best available material. I know that this is a somewhat loaded question, but there are several places that we all use. I haven't checked lately, but I know for example that Fedora had some tutorials started, and that we have discussed this issue before, as I stated earlier, though things change. What was the best is now a bit long in the tooth. Maybe we need somewhere to collect the current best available list of documentation and training. Unfortunately I don't know how to implement that, but I know that it is an issue. With paper books, they had copyright dates, and often the preface told which software version they addressed, and I would often refer to those bits to see if the data was accurate and up to date. But many on line documents seem to leave that out. So how does one go about checking what is the best sources for training and reference material? Regards, Les H -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Wireless problem with Fedora 9 and 2Wire 1800
On Fri, 2009-04-17 at 20:06 -0700, Erick Martínez wrote: Ok, I already test it, and I don't know why, but it works. Previously, I had installed the correct firmware for that chipset, so, I backup it, then create a new folder for the downloaded firmware, reboot the thinkpad and then it works. Now, I only have the problem that frequently disconnects and connects from the 2Wire 1800. Thanks again Kevin. Shalom Erick Martinez Estudiante de piano y composición. Hi, Erick, I had that problem some time ago with my 2Wire modem. Turned out that the power supply (wall wart) had died. Replaced it and no more problems. Hopefully that will do the trick for you as well. That thing draws quite a bit of current, so check the requirements on the modem. Regards Les H -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Chown ???
On Sat, 2009-04-11 at 11:09 +0930, Tim wrote: On Fri, 2009-04-10 at 10:27 -0400, Peter Neilson wrote: Once knew someone who built himself a computer out of old pinball machines and an Oliver typewriter. Reminds me a story we were told while we were supposed to be studying audio electronics: Gutted pinball machines were discovered near a Russian embassy, the reason being that they contained integrated circuits that were on the embargo list of things not to be sold to them. Naturally, some wag at the back of the class couldn't resist play-acting how the Russians would launch their missiles, to everyone's amusement - miming pulling back the spring loaded rod that fires the ball off onto the table. I also remember when I walked to school through snow deeper than I was tall, and it was uphill both ways. Bah, we didn't even have snow back then... ;-) I used to help my Uncle run a pinball route. But I don't remember them having I.C.'s. Must have been after the 60's. The ones I worked on then had accumulators made up of rotary solenoids, and stepper switches (not motorized, just a solenoid pulling on a ratchet or ratchets to advance the counters.). The randomizer for the match number play was simply another ratchet mechanism that would run for a set period of time, but the steps were intermittant, yeilding a sort of psuedo random generator. There were some that had sequential relays to control some of the kickers, and advance the score mechanisms. They were really interesting electromechanical bits of work. Regards, Les H -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Goto [Was Re: Chown ???]
On Fri, 2009-04-10 at 10:32 -0500, Dave Ihnat wrote: On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 11:07:00AM -0400, James Kosin wrote: Actually, GOTO was very heavily in BASIC programming language. There was no idea of statement blocks back then. It may be the only language at the time where it isn't considered taboo. That's been a bone of contention for, literally now, decades. Goto isn't _taboo_, as such. It's misuse/overuse is taboo. The purpose of deprecating use of goto was to avoid the spaghetti code that was so prevalent, especially in C. HOWEVER, blind adherence to avoidance of the use of a strategically placed goto can result in equally obscure code. This is typically seen in deeply nested if statements; I've seen nests 10 and 15-levels deep that would have been far more clear if a simple error-condition goto to the end of the nest had been implemented. I remember a Master Chief Petty Officer in the Navy when I was a lowly Middie 3C. He'd just done something that was Stricly Forbidden, and I asked him--very tentatively; you treat Master Chiefs with respect just below that of Captain, if that--if what he'd done was by the regs. Nope. There are Rules, and they're good 'uns. Follow them. But...you just... Rules are good. You gotta know when to follow 'em, and when not to. You don't know enough yet to know when not to follow 'em, so follow 'em. It's been good advice for these past 30 years. As an retire Navy Chief, I'll second that advice. Thanks for the great memories and a chuckle. Regards, Les Howell ETC USN (Ret.) -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: thoughts on how to write a linux virus in 5 easy steps
On Sat, 2009-04-04 at 18:49 -0700, Globe Trotter wrote: Hi, The following article has created quite some discussion, so I wanted to hear what all the real experts (here) thought about it. http://www.geekzone.co.nz/foobar/6229 The article raises quite a few good points. Whether they have merit, and whether remedies are in-built is what I am wondering. This is just about the lamest article on any form of programming that I have ever read. His code is not self replicating (but it might be able to load something that is), it requires misdirection and operator action, and is a Trojan. In addition, he wrote it apparently to a standing challenge that requires writing a file to /etc, which he did not do, nor did he show even high level pseudo code for that operation. I won't add further flames here, but come on, this is just flame bait, and I bit... but don't expect further discussion from me. Regards, Les H -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: error message from YUM
On Wed, 2009-03-18 at 21:23 +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: Les wrote: If I am reading this debug message correctly, it appears that a lock file is in place. But the path is not given. There are numbered files matching the pattern: /var/lib/rpm/__db.??? These are used to access the actual RPM database and also hold its locks. Deleting these files allows recovering from locking issues. WARNING: Do not delete any other files in /var/lib/rpm! Kevin Kofler It turned out that I had to reboot (power issues), and during that exercise, the locks cleared, and yum is back to working again. But thanks for the reminder about the database files. I should have thought of that. Regards, Les H -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
error message from YUM
Hi, everyone,
I am running F10. I attempted to review some yum groups using the
Add/Remove Software button, and the window gives me the following error:
Error Type: type 'exceptions.TypeError'
Error Value: rpmdb open failed
File : /usr/share/PackageKit/helpers/yum/yumBackend.py, line 2314, in
module
main()
File : /usr/share/PackageKit/helpers/yum/yumBackend.py, line 2310, in
main
backend = PackageKitYumBackend('', lock=True)
File : /usr/share/PackageKit/helpers/yum/yumBackend.py, line 182, in
__init__
self.yumbase = PackageKitYumBase(self)
File : /usr/share/PackageKit/helpers/yum/yumBackend.py, line 2253, in
__init__
self.repos.confirm_func = self._repo_gpg_confirm
File : /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/yum/__init__.py, line 589, in
lambda
repos = property(fget=lambda self: self._getRepos(),
File : /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/yum/__init__.py, line 395, in
_getRepos
self._getConfig() # touch the config class first
File : /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/yum/__init__.py, line 192, in
_getConfig
self._conf = config.readMainConfig(startupconf)
File : /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/yum/config.py, line 774, in
readMainConfig
yumvars['releasever'] = _getsysver(startupconf.installroot,
startupconf.distroverpkg)
File : /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/yum/config.py, line 844, in
_getsysver
idx = ts.dbMatch('provides', distroverpkg)
If I am reading this debug message correctly, it appears that a lock
file is in place. But the path is not given.
If I use a terminal and do yum commands directly (I tried several, but
didn't keep a log) they seem to work correctly. So this appears to be
some lock that is generated by the Add/Remove Software utility, and not
yum itself.
Any clues? Looking up the yum help on line didn't provide any
illumination (as I expected, since this appears to be the window, and
not the utility).
Regards,
Les H
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Re: How to build a linux based cheap (handheld ) computer
On Fri, 2009-03-13 at 12:32 +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: Deboo ^ wrote: Can someone provide some links to build cheap / inexpensive computer (even with limited memory and no storage) which can run linux off a usb stick and can be used for basic operations. Isn't that basically what all these netbooks are? Kevin Kofler Another option is a rebuilt system from one of the major distributors. I have purchased several from Microcenter (http://microcenter.com). They usually run from $150 US to just under $1000 U.S. And of course there is the possibility of finding some company that is going under and seeing what they might have for sale. There are also some distributors of older SUN computers that are reasonably priced. Just look around. My son in law found one that had been sat outside for trash which he recycled (it had a bad memory board). Regards, Les H -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: OT: wifi antennas
On Wed, 2009-01-28 at 21:14 +, Paul Smith wrote: On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 12:18 PM, Anne Wilson an...@kde.org wrote: Could someone please advise me regarding USB antennas to improve the reception wifi Internet signal? A wifi antenna doesn't normally connect via USB, but via a screw-on coaxial connector (a smaller version of what you find on cable TV boxes). Hawking makes a number of different external antennas which seem to work fairly nicely. Make sure you get one compatible with your wifi setup (e.g. 802.11A and 802.11B/G use different frequencies). Also, I believe that some really only work with matching hardware. I added an Edimax antenna to my router, and it actually gave slightly less signal than the router's own antenna. Most of the add-ons are highly directional (mine are, but I want them that way). That may also play a part. I did know that, but no matter what I did, I couldn't get a good result. I think it was a mis-match, somewhere along the line. I have a couple of Edimax PCI cards. Maybe when I have time to play I'll experiment and see if they get a better result. I would like to thank all respondents for your help. Paul Antenna's are more complex than they appear. Think of how a bell sounds. If you change the shape of the bell a bit, its sound changes, and the area over which it can be heard also changes. Antenna's are like that. Moreover a bell has one dominant mode or tone. Antenna's do that too. But WiFi is not antenna friendly. It is comprised of many tones, spread over a wide range, kind of like a piano keyboard. So the antenna needt to match that frequency, and work for all the associated tones. In addition there are requirements for the area over which it can be heard. RF engineers call that the radiation pattern. Some antenna's radiate in a donut pattern. This is the basic type of antenna, called a dipole. BUT the radiation that is above and below the desired places where receivers might be is wasted, so good WiFi antennas are designed to squish the donut, and that squishing causes more radiation in the desired areas and less radiation in undesired areas, which the antenna manufacturers call gain. In other words the signal travels farther in the desired direction. So for a good wifi device antenna, the radiation pattern should be flat (gain of 3-5 db), and the graphic of the radiation should be a sort of wheel laying on its side. To make this work, the antenna needs to match the transmitter for efficient power transfer, and it needs to be mounted away from interfering objects at least 3 wavelengths (about 1yard or 1meter from walls or objects as tall or taller than the antenna). Hope this gives you some background and some idea of how to get the best from your antenna purchase. Regards, Les H -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Ideal Swap Partition Size
, the local cache memory is also re-done to match the new block, which may or may not generate additional local cache (the cache in the processor memory) misses, requiring more memory be moved from local RAM into the cache ram. To keep the processor working at max efficiency, most MMU's and processor systems can do a bit of look ahead and hopefully get the memory stuff done before it is actually needed. Most systems today implement these memory moves by DMA (direct memory access) which means they occur during the non-memory access cycles of the processor. For example, a jump instruction without look ahead takes about 11 processor cycles (depending on the architecture). One cycle reads the instruction, and one to four more read the address (depends on the exact form of jump and associated actions) and 2 or 3 cycles to decode the instruction, then one to two cycles to change the instruction pointer to the destination. Since the cycles to decode the instruction and the cycles to set the instruction pointer do not require memory access, a DMA process can use those cycles to perform the cache and swap operations, often simultaneously (by managing the addressing appropriately) and without interrupting the flow of the processor making the whole thing virtually seamless. However as the processors have become pipelined, and the memory access more cycle intensive, DMA is not as efficient as it was once. Fortunately the changes in memory architecture have had some effect on that as well (DDR means Double cycle, and because it is double cycle) the read lines are different from the write lines, so some simultaneous read and write operations are possible if the MMU and board addressing and so forth are designed to support it. This also requires some fancy footwork on the RAM boards, and/or the ram chips themselves. I hope this is fairly clear and mostly correct. Please feel free to adjust my input if not. The only thing constant in high tech is the rate of change. Regards, Les H -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: RAM question for everyone!
On Fri, 2009-01-23 at 11:07 -0500, Mark Haney wrote: Bryn M. Reeves wrote: Mark Haney wrote: Dan Track wrote: I was recently asked a question about how much RAM should there be within a server given that the APP uses 8GB of Memory, should I buy 10Gig of memory and have a small harddrive and no swap space? Would this configuration allow everything in my OS to run from RAM and not from swap? If this is the case then there's no need to ever create swap, is there?!? Your thoughts are appreciated. Thanks Dan With RAM, the more the merrier. I guess the question is, what does this Unless you're on a 32-bit system in which case more RAM can make you much less merrier since the mere addition of the memory causes more pressure on the already constrained lowmem available on these platforms. Regards, Bryn. True, but the assumption was 64-bit since he says the app uses 8GB RAM. I guess I do not comprehend the issue of more memory stressing low memory? I know that a 32 bit system is constrained in addressing to something like 4G, due to the intel addressing architecture, and 32 bit constraint, so applications were developed to go beyond that. But given that the system maps the logical memory to physical memory, and some can do this via hardware, how does adding more memory add more stress? If the system is running the application now, the basic change is reducing swapping to disk, is it not? Regards, Les H -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Evolution broken
On Tue, 2009-01-20 at 10:45 +, Noel James Bridge wrote: Without any apparent reason, Evolution has suddenly become unable to send or receive messages. I set up Thunderbird instead and that works fine. However, it downloaded about 3500 messages that should have been deleted, so it looks as though there has been a problem for some time. Webmail shows that the messages have now been deleted but Evolution still has the Send/Receive button greyed out. Anyone else had similar problems? I thought mine was broken once, but I had mistakenly left a filter in place. Check the upper right corner of evolution to make sure the filter box is empty. Regards, Les H -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: KVM Switch Suggestions -- Are The Ebay Cheapies Okay?
On Thu, 2009-01-15 at 21:53 -0500, jack wallen wrote: Robert L Cochran wrote: Are the no-name-brand, two-port, USB 2.0 PS2 KVM switch boxes with two cables which sell for $14.99 and free shipping on EBay any good? Here is an example: item 140294824343 from seller insidecomputer. Recent discussions (from 2007) suggest IOGear and Trendnet switches as good brands. If I can get a cheap switch that works, though, I'm willing to do it. Thanks Bob Cochran Greenbelt, Maryland, USA avoid them. i bought one on ebay - a cheap USB one. it did two things: prevented Fedora from being able to read the modes from the monitor so I couldn't get proper resolution and, even worse, killed every usb port on my system. i now have to get a PCI usb card in order to use any USB device. so, yeah, i wouldn't bother. If all the USB ports are dead, then the power supply for those ports (5v @1A/port) has probably blown a fuse or component. You may be able to get it fixed. Regards, Les H -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: how to get username use another home directory
On Fri, 2009-01-16 at 12:54 -0500, Todd Zullinger wrote: Globe Trotter wrote: I usually keep the userspace in another partition, /usr/local (let us say /usr/local/trotter. I'm curious, why not just have /home be on a different partition? That seems more elegant to me (and would work better with SELinux as well, though you might not care if you disable SELinux or run in permissive mode :). Previously, I would add skip the create user step and log in as root and then create user with directory using system-config-users. However, this is apparently no longer allowed, and I am required to create an user. How do I get this user to have its home in /usr/local/trotter? I guess one way out is to create a fake user and then go in, use system-config-users and then delete the fake user. Is there a more elegant way? This is the sort of task I'd do from a text console (but then, I say that sort of thing a lot ;). If you create the user trotter at first boot, use CTRL-ALT-F2 at the login screen to get to a console. Then login as root and use something like: # usermod -m --home /usr/local/trotter trotter The -m option moves the current home dir to the new dir. Obviously, you don't want trotter logged in when you do this. One other thing to mention is that /usr is a system directory. As such its permissions are a bit touchy, and putting user files there can produce unintended consequences. I would have great reservations about this due to unexpected interactions of things such as backups, access to certain system files (through /usr/bin and /usr/sbin) for example, especially with multiple users on the system. By convention, many applications expect /home to contain user directories, and while if coding standards are followed, the shell variable $HOME will point to the correct directory, in some cases poorly written or experimental code is sometimes not so clean. Regards, Les H -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Upgrade and SELinux messages
Count 1
First SeenThu 15 Jan 2009 03:45:41 PM PST
Last Seen Thu 15 Jan 2009 03:45:41 PM PST
Local ID 63da56b0-2e3a-4b9c-bce7-d507e4081b93
Line Numbers
Raw Audit Messages
node=localhost.localdomain type=AVC msg=audit(1232063141.902:13): avc:
denied { create } for pid=2562 comm=smartd
scontext=system_u:system_r:fsdaemon_t:s0
tcontext=system_u:system_r:fsdaemon_t:s0 tclass=netlink_route_socket
node=localhost.localdomain type=SYSCALL msg=audit(1232063141.902:13):
arch=4003 syscall=102 success=no exit=-13 a0=1 a1=bfe0e9ac a2=3e5ff4
a3=0 items=0 ppid=2561 pid=2562 auid=4294967295 uid=0 gid=0 euid=0
suid=0 fsuid=0 egid=0 sgid=0 fsgid=0 tty=(none) ses=4294967295
comm=smartd exe=/usr/sbin/smartd
subj=system_u:system_r:fsdaemon_t:s0 key=(null)
###
### I don't think I had smartd running before the upgrade.
### but it is probably a good idea to run it.
None of these seem to be preventing me from using the system (haven't
tried printing yet).
I'll check the archives to see if anyone has solutions to these, but I
thought that they should go into the record.
Prior to the upgrade I was running F8. I just downloaded F10, made a
disk (two actually, the first didn't burn correctly), and then ran the
upgrade process. My emails were imported correctly and now I am just
starting the update process.
No worries on these, but since this is the place for advice, can anyone
offer any?
OOPS, SELinux is preventing me from opening my Windows disk in Linux.
But while it tells me it is preventing the access, no alert is being
generated. No information on how to fix it.
Ditto for the FAT32 formatted backup disk. This has disaster potential.
I'll try the trick of touch ./relable
I.
Regards,
Les H
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Re: Firewall box stop responding
If you google RFC 1918, it will show that your system has sent a request for a private subnet out onto the global internet. I am no IP guru, but I suspect that you will find the solution somewhere in the linux responses related to RFC 1918. Regards, Les H On Wed, 2009-01-14 at 14:31 -0200, Leonardo Korndorfer wrote: Hi all! I'm in a situation that is kinda hard to see what's happening. So I'm going straight to the scenario: I have a firewall box that somehow stops responding to all services such as ssh and squid. It does answer ping. Early this morning I was looking to the messages log with tail -f when it just stop and then no responses again. Does anyone have lived this situation? Here goes an example of the normality of logs when it just stops: /* regular log */ Jan 14 13:35:08 mercfw1 snmpd[2040]: Received SNMP packet(s) from UDP: [192.168.0.13]:1660 Jan 14 13:35:08 mercfw1 snmpd[2040]: Connection from UDP: [192.168.0.13]:1661 Jan 14 13:35:08 mercfw1 snmpd[2040]: Received SNMP packet(s) from UDP: [192.168.0.13]:1661 Jan 14 13:35:08 mercfw1 snmpd[2040]: Connection from UDP: [192.168.0.13]:1662 Jan 14 13:35:08 mercfw1 snmpd[2040]: Received SNMP packet(s) from UDP: [192.168.0.13]:1662 Jan 14 13:35:08 mercfw1 snmpd[2040]: Connection from UDP: [192.168.0.13]:1663 Jan 14 13:35:08 mercfw1 snmpd[2040]: Received SNMP packet(s) from UDP: [192.168.0.13]:1663 Jan 14 13:35:08 mercfw1 snmpd[2040]: Connection from UDP: [192.168.0.13]:1664 Jan 14 13:35:08 mercfw1 snmpd[2040]: Received SNMP packet(s) from UDP: [192.168.0.13]:1664 Jan 14 13:35:08 mercfw1 snmpd[2040]: Connection from UDP: [192.168.0.13]:1665 Jan 14 13:35:08 mercfw1 snmpd[2040]: Received SNMP packet(s) from UDP: [192.168.0.13]:1665 Jan 14 13:35:06 mercfw1 named[1731]: client 127.0.0.1#38570: RFC 1918 response from Internet for 11.0.168.192.in-addr.arpa /* forced shutdown and normal start log */ Jan 14 13:49:03 mercfw1 kernel: imklog 3.14.1, log source = /proc/kmsg started. Jan 14 13:49:03 mercfw1 kernel: Inspecting /boot/System.map-2.6.25-14.fc9.i686 Jan 14 13:49:03 mercfw1 kernel: Loaded 28110 symbols from /boot/System.map-2.6.25-14.fc9.i686. Jan 14 13:49:03 mercfw1 kernel: Symbols match kernel version 2.6.25. Jan 14 13:49:03 mercfw1 kernel: No module symbols loaded - kernel modules not enabled. The seconds before (13:35:06) are analogous. Nothing evil has happened. Leonardo Richter Korndorfer personal @ http://leokorndorfer.no-ip.org http://counter.li.org #384363 ICQ: 102788426 -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Advice to an audiophobe ??
sound, rather than the CD like quality of using 16 (or more) bits per sample. The catch with all that is it takes up a lot space. To solve space issues (less a problem now that storage space costs a lot less), compression schemes were developed. Most take advantage of reducing the number of channels eg to mono, reducing the sampling rate, or the number quantizing levels (bits/sample); but this is done in context of the type of audio being compressed - eg human voices are typically of lower frequency, and can sampled at a slower rate, and with less levels. The biggest jump in compression was with psychoacoustic modelling, where it was found that in a complex sound, a listener does not notice that certain frequency (pitch) sounds become inaudible (or masked) by other sounds. The reason there is so many formats, is because developers were essentially competing to produce more highly compressed audio files, without noticeable change in quality, when using a certain type of audio, over a certain communication medium. Eg: when the fastest home internet connections were slow modems, compression made it possible to transmit voice signals over your internet connection. If you tried to transmit music of higher quality that voice, you would have large audio distortions that made it difficult to hear the original material. You might like to play with the audio editor program audacity (perhaps from rpmfusion if you want to be able to import and save in certain compressed formats (mp3)). It shows you a graphical representation of the audio file, and eg lets you choose a zoom, start and stop position, and just play back small parts of a file, so that you can work out what the sound looks like to a computer. Hope that helps a bit more ;-) DaveT. Hi, Dave, I work in the IC Test industry, and that is the clearest non-math explanation I have ever read. I also teach applied DSP (fourier analysis, time series analysis and uses of IFTs.) I have endeavored to explain to many and varied audiences these effects, but never came up with such clarity. May I quote you? Thank you, Les Howell -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Comcast permanent block on port 25
NiftyFedora Mitch wrote: Port 25 in and out may be negotiated in some areas... The default in my area was to block it but a polite call to SBC unblocked it for me. I still had issues at the other end as my reverse DNS was known home DHCP class sites and I had to use them as a 'smart' host. HTTP is more interesting... as it can be a business but without a fixed IP address dynamic DNS is seen as wonky ... However a personal site with limited traffic can also serve students homework. But it need not be on port 80. Look into various hosting or co-location solutions some are much less expensive than good bandwidth to the home. Comcast bundles several accounts with email and space on their servers for storage and http service along with the connection. There's not a lot of reason to run your own server unless you have dynamic content. -- Les Mikesell lesmikes...@gmail.com -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: 1-second kernel
Frank Cox wrote: On Sat, 20 Dec 2008 11:29:37 -0600 Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote: One other thing - was the Amiga booting from ROM? Depends on the Amiga. On the 500 and 1000 models, you had to boot from a Kickstart disk, then boot from a Workbench disk. The 2000 had a Kickstart rom, but you then had to boot Workbench from a disk (either a 3.5 floppy or a hard drive). I thought this concept was coming around again with some new PC's having Linux in ROM for near-instant on for certain operations? Maybe the best approach for the people who care about boot speed would be to figure out how to get 'your' version of Linux into these ROMs. -- Les Mikesell lesmikes...@gmail.com -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Free Public Wifi, and me being snoopy
Frank Cox wrote: A new wireless signal showed up on Network Manager on my Fedora 10 laptop yesterday named Free Public Wifi. As there has never, to my knowledge, been any announcement of anyone providing free public wifi in Melville, I became quite curious about this and attempted to connect to it. However, while Network Manager connects with this signal it never actually completes the process and lets me in. Free Public Wifi appears to be something other than just a standard home-style wireless router because the signal strength is a lot more even and higher than anything else I get in my theatre other than my own wireless router, so whatever it is has fair amount of power behind it. Network Manager shows me an icon beside Free Public Wifi that I've never seen before and I'm thinking that it might be a clue to what this is and how one can connect to it. I put the icon on my website here: http://www.melvilletheatre.com/wifi.png Can anyone tell me what that means, and what I might need to do to connect to it? So far the only steps I've ever needed to connect to any wireless routers that I've set up myself were to click on the signal listing and enter the password, and I've never actually tried to connect to anything else before. You see those all over the place and can tell from the 'ad hoc' mode that it is another computer instead of a real access point. I always thought it was a scam trying to steal passwords or something, but I guess it's just another case of Microsoft stupidity: http://billkosloskymd.typepad.com/wirelessdoc/2008/01/free-public-wi.html -- Les Mikesell lesmikes...@gmail.com -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Call for vote: Nautilus use Browser view for fedora 11
Mark wrote: To all other ppl. please keep the usability list included since this really is something they should be aware of. Keep in mind that cross-posting to multiple lists sucks for everyone who is not a member of all of them because they'll get bounces pointing that out, and there's a fair chance that they won't get moderator approval and ever appear. -- Les Mikesell lesmikes...@gmail.com -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Call for vote: Nautilus use Browser view for fedora 11
Matthias Clasen wrote: On Sat, 2008-12-20 at 20:53 +0100, Mark wrote: Btw your idea of my spin idea might very well be true ^_^ it's just that it sucks up so much time which i don't want to spend at it. Creating a sabayon profile with your favourite changes and storing it away in some safe place would take ~10 minutes (including the time to install sabayon). The time and energy you have invested in this thread by now probably measures in days... Does sabayon allow publishing a profile so people could share their choices? -- Les Mikesell lesmikes...@gmail.com -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Call for vote: Nautilus use Browser view for fedora 11
Jeff Spaleta wrote: That's a copout excuse. You are spending a lot of time right now beating your head on the brick wall on this issue. Figuring out a technical solution in the form of a LiveCD under the umbrella of the GNOME project might actually be the better argument than what you are doing now. Is there a fixed policy on how fedora must relate to upstream packages? That is, do you have a requirement to take every default that the upstream has (themes, etc.)? Or can any packager make any whimsical change he wants at any time? Or something in between? -- Les Mikesell lesmikes...@gmail.com -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: 1-second kernel
g wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Konstantin Svist wrote: So my question is, how plausible is running Fedora without initrd? Don't the majority of users out there have similar hardware, making initrd unnecessary? 'similar' is not the same as 'same'. if every computer had *exact same* hardware, ok. but they are not *exactly* same. It doesn't break anything to have a few unused modules linked - you could probably have one kernel that would make initrd unnecessary on the majority of desktop/laptop machines - and servers (where you need specific scsi drivers) typically aren't booted frequently anyway. -- Les Mikesell lesmikes...@gmail.com -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: OT: Comcast permanent block on port 25
Phil Meyer wrote: Comcast, in their infinite wisdom, has begun to block all inbound port 25 connections at my location. I collect several mailing lists at my home domain which I have maintained for many years. Plus, it has always been nice to have an email box that I could run my own spam filters on. Because MicroSoft has created such a huge mess with spambots and the like, I have lost another privilege that not long ago was assumed, and now falls into a business only category. I do not blame the consumers who are duped into buying computers with a pre-installed OS. It is so VERY annoying that step by step, we lose individual freedoms because of corporate greed and incompetence. Its somewhat like being in jail for something you did not do. Or so it seems to me. Sorry for the rant. Quick-fix: move the subscriptions to a comcast.net account (you can probably set up several email accounts associated with your existing comcast service) or a free gmail account. Run fetchmail periodically to pull messages via POP and redeliver on your own server. Everything else works the same. If you use gmail, you can configure their server to 'archive' messages as you download via pop so you can delete copies from your server as you read them and still be able to use the web interface to gmail to search for something later. Or, just set up an imap client directly with gmail and not bother with your own server. -- Les Mikesell lesmikes...@gmail.com -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: starting multiple simultaneous downloads of a file
Ali, Saqib wrote: Hello All, I am looking for a utility that can start multiple simultaneous downloads of a file. I was looking into wget, but it doesn't seem like that it can do that. Any thoughts? You've got a multi-tasking system. Why not run as many copies of wget as you want? -- Les Mikesell lesmikes...@gmail.com -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: starting multiple simultaneous downloads of a file
Marcelo Magno T. Sales wrote: Em Sex 19 Dez 2008, Les Mikesell escreveu: Ali, Saqib wrote: Hello All, I am looking for a utility that can start multiple simultaneous downloads of a file. I was looking into wget, but it doesn't seem like that it can do that. Any thoughts? You've got a multi-tasking system. Why not run as many copies of wget as you want? I think he want to download multiple parts of the same file simultaneously and assembly the file at the end of the downloads. Multiple copies of wget would not get the job done. Is that useful on a high-latency satellite link or something? -- Les Mikesell lesmikes...@gmail.com -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Call for vote: Nautilus use Browser view for fedora 11
Mark wrote: btw. i never understood why Linus Torvalds was so opposed to Gnome. i'm beginning to understand why. How much less RAM would your system need if everything shared one window toolkit? And how much better could it be if all development had focused on just one? -- Les Miksell lesmikes...@gmail.com -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Comcast permanent block on port 25
Bruno Wolff III wrote: the cable companies in the US typically sell a residential Internet package which requires that you not run a mail or web server as part of their terms of service and typically block inbound access to ports 25 80 to those customers. Many also block port 25 outbound access to all but their own SMTP servers. In exchange for this 'crippled' Internet service, they charge roughly 1/3 the cost of a 'business' based Internet service which doesn't block anything at all. It seems reasonably fair to me. How is it fair? Business accounts cost more because you get uptime guaranties and real support Errr, I think you've confused Comcast with something else... and depending on the type of connection you may be allowed to use your maximum bandwidth all of the time. (Though the latter service typically is going to cost more than 3x the residential rate.) The low cost residential account comes with terms that say you won't run servers on it. If you aren't running a server, it doesn't matter much if they block port 25 or not. -- Les Mikesell lesmikes...@gmail.com -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Comcast permanent block on port 25
Bruno Wolff III wrote: On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 16:00:29 -0600, Les Mikesell lesmikes...@gmail.com wrote: The low cost residential account comes with terms that say you won't run servers on it. If you aren't running a server, it doesn't matter much if they block port 25 or not. Except whether or not you run a server has little to do with how much it costs them to provide that service. And this there was actual competition, that wouldn't be able to get away with that artificial market segmentation. Maybe. Or maybe the one you preferred would be bankrupt now. Anyway, take it up with whatever local authority is giving Comcast a monopoly in your municipality since no one else can do much about it. -- Les Mikesell lesmikes...@gmail.com -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Setting up Linksys WRT54GL for Remote Server
Jim wrote: Two boxes FC8-i386 behind a Linksys WRT54GL router, both boxes have a static IP. How do I set the router to allow me to connect by port 22 ssh to both boxes. You probably only have one public IP so you can port-forward port 22 to only one inside address. You can pick a different port to forward to port 22 on the other box - or if you want more convenient access, set up something like openvpn between the private networks behind the routers. -- Les Mikesell lesmikes...@gmail.com -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: F10, VMware Server 2.0, and selinux
Gilboa Davara wrote: So I don't understand. Are you saying that VMware has no right to impose some boundaries on what they will and will not support? Are they bound by some contract to provide answers/solutions to a free product for every flavor of Linux used as host OS? Or, are you saying that their only obligation is to support every version of Fedora for free? And if so, what make Fedora so special to get support? Right? They have a right to do what-ever they want. I never argued otherwise. Question is - should Fedora go along with their decision, and support their semi-broken RPMs, half-working SELinux support, missing upstream kernel support and their decision to keep certain features Windows-only. Fedora, support?? What's that? FWIW my vote is a (big) no - Fedora's resources will be better spent on qemu-kvm and virt-*. I suppose working toward a linux binary standard that would actually make it possible for 3rd parties to build programs that install and run as expected on different distributions is too much to ask... As, obviously, is asking for interface stability for more than a week at a time so 3rd parties could specifically target the distribution's nonstandard quirks in a useful way. -- Les Mikesell lesmikes...@gmail.com -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Evolution with mapi plugin?
Christopher A. Williams wrote: Some businesses have now intentionally modified their email clients to NOT render RTF and HTML, and have made it such that to enable them is a firing violation of company policy. i.e. don't count on being able to say the blue text in bullet three is the important part anymore. ...And we all know that, while such exceptions exist, they are indeed the exceptions and not the general rule. In fact the only CIO positions I know of that would border on such a policy are US Navy. In the corporate world, such a policy would likely get the CIO fired by the CEO and the Board... And in the places where it didn't, the typical email would just become a word or excel attachment instead of html. -- Les Mikesell lesmikes...@gmail.com -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Setting up Linksys WRT54GL for Remote Server
Dave Ihnat wrote: On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 12:59:04PM -0600, Les Mikesell wrote: You probably only have one public IP so you can port-forward port 22 to only one inside address. You can pick a different port to forward to port 22 on the other box - or if you want more convenient access, set up something like openvpn between the private networks behind the routers. I've done this often when dealing with retail-grade router/firewalls that don't allow VPN termination at the device. I can't recall if the WRT54GL allows for port mapping, though--which you need for the scheme mentioned above. It's not really a problem, though; just have the second machine listen on a different port, and forward the same port. I haven't tried it, but I believe the WRT54GL is one of several that can have the firmware replaced with a free linux version that includes openvpn and other tools. -- Les Mikesell lesmikes...@gmail.com -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Setting up Linksys WRT54GL for Remote Server
Jim wrote: Map port 8122 on the external IP to be routed to the first box's port 22 Map port 8222 on the external IP to be routed to the second box's port 22 When you want to log into the boxes remotely, specify the port as part of the command: ssh -p 8222 example.com ssh -p 8122 Yo.ur.IP.Address or scp -P 8122 yourfile example.com: Note that Secure Copy (scp) uses capital -P while Secure Shell (ssh) uses lowercase. Trips me up all the time. I'm using NX for my remote connections on both ends. How would I do this using NX ? Click the 'configure' button and type in the 'Port' value next to the Host where it current has 22. So I think what your saying is, in the WRT54GL (Server) , port forwarding, map 8122 to 22 to 192.168.1.253 map 8222 to 22 to 192.168.1.254 That's on the Server side. But on the client side in NX for each user on server, how do you treat that in NX ? I tryed to map 8222 to 22 on Port Forwarding in WRT54GL, but it switches the ports around after saving settings, to 22 in first box 'to' 8222 in second box. What am I doing wrong ? If you can't get it to map different port numbers, you can make sshd listen on a different port - see /etc/ssh/sshd_config. -- Les Mikesell lesmikes...@gmail.com -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: What are these F-10 boot slides?
Anne Wilson wrote: On Tuesday 16 December 2008 17:00:16 Paul W. Frields wrote: The boot screen is somewhat secondary to the main target of decreasing boot time. Whether any particular machine gets the spiffy graphic, it should still boot significantly faster using the new system. Although kernel mode setting hasn't been implemented for all cards, it was originally supposed to also work for Intel too -- until Intel made an eleventh-hour change. We hope to have those and many more cards working with the spiffy boot graphics for Fedora 11, but regardless, boot speed is a very important consideration. Well, on my netbook it has been spectacularly unsuccessful. The boot time is horrifically long. It seems that it first tries to bring up my wireless connection, failing miserably, then it tries to mount my 3 defined nfs mounts. Two of them are always available, one is not always. Instead of a reasonably short wait time, then moving on, it seems to wait a very long time. If anyone's interested I'll time it. Failing gracefully is something it needs to learn. By design NFS should wait for success (you may not have anything else...). If failure is expected or acceptable, you need to specify bg,soft for the mount - or better yet use the automounter so you don't even consider mounting until the need arises. -- Les Mikesell lesmikes...@gmail.com -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Free (as in speech) flash alternative
Kam Leo wrote: By using or consuming flash content you will be supporting the very company that created the Flash standard, non-free players, and associated content creation tools. Don't use flash and you will not be offended. And the alternative? Silverlight/Moonlight? -- Les Mikesell lesmikes...@gmail.com -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: OT: mp3 - ac3 - SP/DIF output?
Tom Horsley wrote: Is there a media player that can do something like use the ffmpeg libraries to do the ac3 encoding on the fly and send the digital stream to my SP/DIF output? Answering my own question, I'm currently listening to music on my surround system being played via: mplayer -ao alsa:device=hw=0.0 -af lavcac3enc=tospdif filename Only have to sort through the 47,621,337 possible command line option combinations to figure it all out :-). (Actually I reused the alsa device option from the DVD ac3 passthrough magic I found previously on the web). I guess on the fly audio encoding isn't very demanding, my CPUs are both hovering around 1 to 2% usage. If you only have 2 channels, is there some reason to encode as ac3 instead of pcm? -- Les Mikesell lesmikes...@gmail.com -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: E-mail Server
Leon Vergottini wrote: Hi I have been tasked to commissioned an e-mail server in the first quarter of next year. I got this task because I am the only one at work that plays and have a small bit of understanding of how Linux work. So, I am on a research spree. I have already had a look at the following sites: The Linux document project How to forge Flurdy.com I do not ask for step by step instructions, although it will be nice, however I ask that you guys will point me to resources on the internet that may help me in this regard. If you want something appliance-like where you just add users and everything works, look at SME server from http://wiki.contribs.org/Main_Page. It is mostly based on Centos (as others have suggested for stability) but modified so all administration is through a simple web interface. It can also provide many other services but it would be reasonable to deploy strictly as a mail server if you want. -- Les Mikesell lesmikes...@gmail.com -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Second try: Clarification of statement about stateless sytem]
Aaron Konstam wrote: I tried once and got no response so I am trying again. It is strange that people understand all such obscure things but can't explain one of the many gobbledygook statements made in the release notes. In section 2.2.6 of the F10 release notes is the following statement: Support for keeping a persistent /home with the rest of the system stateless has been added for Fedora 10. I don't understand that statement? Could someone explain it, especially the meaning of the words persistent and stateless in that context. Since nobody else is answering, I'll take a guess... Stateless should mean that the OS could be installed/updated on the fly during bootup, whether done as a PXE boot into RAM or copied/cached on the local hard disk. There once was a 'stateless' linux project but I'm not sure if this is a specific reference or if anyone is still working on that. Anyway, the idea is that you can have a group of client computers with no maintenance or installation for the OS but the /home directories are saved across reboots, either on a local drive or nfs-mounted from a server. -- Les Mikesell lesmikes...@gmail.com -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: infrastructure modest proposal
Kevin Martin wrote: FWIW, the 3 layer model is used to great effect in everyday business. First, there's testing where the developers get to play to their hearts content and, hopefully, get a product to production level. Then the product goes to qa or qc where it burns in for awhile with other products that may or may not play nice with it (aren't double quotes wonderous little things!). If they don't play nice together then it goes back to testing for more work and then back to qa/qc until it all works as planned. Then, and only then, does it move to production. I understand that Fedora is a bunch of folks doing the work on a volunteer basis but that just makes the idea of a qa environment that much more useful. Someone is probably going to claim that rawhide/updates-testing/updates provides this 3 layer model for fedora. It doesn't, because the packages roll independently. No one can take qa seriously if it doesn't test the exact configurations that are going to exist in production, which is impossible with this structure. If the moves to/from updates-testing were batched in all-or-nothing updates, or another layer of updates-qa was added for this batch move process, it might actually become possible to do meaningful tests with packages in their proposed production context. -- Les Mikesell lesmikes...@gmail.com -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Why was this dbus disaster released mid-release?
Robert P. J. Day wrote: On Fri, 12 Dec 2008, Jeff Spaleta wrote: On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 8:35 AM, Joshua C. joshua...@googlemail.com wrote: Does the maintainer read this list? He still works on it (in koji) but it seams he doesn't know that the user are using his broken update He's aware.. he's apologized publicly in the -devel-list. in a world where people are simply used to windows crashing and burning on a regular basis, it's amusing to see the consternation in the linux community when one bad package escapes into the wild. man, some of you folks have gotten spoiled. Sorry to destroy your illusions, but I work with hundreds of windows servers that stay up for years with only a few scheduled reboots. Before (say) Win2k SP2 you might have been able to make a point about this. Today you can't. -- Les Mikesell lesmikes...@gmail.com -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Sprint service smartphone recommendation for F10?
Max Pyziur wrote: What do you expect to be able to do from the phone? They would all work My first PDA was/is a Sharp Zaurus which used UTF-8 encoding. Many of my contacts are in the FSU, hence the information is in Ukrainian (a bit in Russian) I'd like to be able to move my contact information to a device where I can continue to use this information. I've looked at the Samsung Instinct at a Sprint dealer. While the touch technology is appealing, I saw that the Instinct's web browser couldn't display Cyrillic characters, replacing them with empty squares. Looking briefly through Instinct-related forums to see if a Cyrillic font could be downloaded, there were none. After a recent update, the instinct can run some 3rd party java apps, including Opera Mini. I don't know if that changes the font situation, though. Can the Palm Centro handle UTF-8 or are their fonts only 8bit and Cyrillic is shown in CP1251? Can't help with that. There's a Sprint phone forum at http://forums.buzzaboutwireless.com/baw/ that might have something. Also, I'm not sure what else to look for in a phone. When picture-taking phones were introduced, I thought that it was a novelty and a feature that I would never use. When the choices on an upgrade only included picture-taking phones, I got one. Now, I see that they are useful, especially when there is an expedient need where quality isn't as important as the ability to illustrate the shot (a display in a window, an emergency situation). The instinct camera is so-so. No zoom, no adjustments - but not horrible if you have enough light and video mode isn't bad. I see that the Instinct has GPS; I generally know where I'm going, but I'm amazed that when driving during evenings on the New York State Thruway at how many people have a GPS device of some sort visible through the window. Perhaps I too would find GPS useful. The instinct has a handy 'search' feature to locate nearby restaurants, banks, and about anything else (gas by price, etc.) that is handy when traveling even if you know the route. It also has 'movies near me' where you can drill down to review, but that may be on all the sprint phones with gps and data. -- Les Mikesell lesmikes...@gmail.com -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: (Off Topic ) Open Source: The Model Is Broken ??
On Sat, 2008-12-06 at 11:43 -0600, Les Mikesell wrote: Ed Greshko wrote: 1) be ABLE to write good documentation. You yourself acknowledged good documenters are scarce. You're either good at it or you aren't, it's just like programming or any other complex creative activity. This is the biggest obstacle, or at least the first thing that makes the write it yourself or shut up useless (at least). Actually, my motives where much more subtle (sinister). I tend to feel that some those wanting more/better documentation don't quite realize how difficult producing quality documentation for the masses truly is. So, it is more of try doing it and maybe you'll gain some appreciation for the difficulty. How does understanding the difficultly help? And other than the interactive desktop programs like the office tools, why should 'masses' need to know all the details? 2) have enough free time, after you've paid mortgage, food and bills, to start and finish writing a manual. Unless you're _paid_ just to write that documentation, of course. Even if you're good, it takes a lot of time and effort to do a good job. Which is why there may be a niche market for some company involved support to include documentation. But, that would require a business plan and a business model :-( There is a well known book publisher covering technical topics with a bazillion titles, but published books can't keep up with the rate of change in fedora. What we need is a way to eliminate most of the need for local configuration in the same way open source eliminates most of the need for local programming for common tasks. That is, have a way that a configuration that someone has expertly tuned for a particular purpose can be shared with anyone who needs to do the same kind of work. Fedora mostly just ships one config file for every program and might do a little tweaking to match hardware and user choices during installation. If there were perhaps a hundred choices instead, pre-tuned to different usage models, the end user would only need to know what he wanted to accomplish, not the million variables he had to change to do it. But who would collect, setup the access, vet the operation of those 100 setups, provide accurate information about how they are tuned, and so on and so on and so on Regards, Les H -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: (Off Topic ) Open Source: The Model Is Broken ??
On Sat, 2008-12-06 at 19:22 +0100, M. Fioretti wrote: On Sat, Dec 06, 2008 09:31:55 AM -0800, Les wrote: On Sat, 2008-12-06 at 12:04 +0100, M. Fioretti wrote: 1) be ABLE to write good documentation. You yourself acknowledged good documenters are scarce. You're either good at it or you aren't, it's just like programming or any other complex creative activity. I haven't written anything for LINUX, but I can tell you that the biggest issue is getting something on paper (in bits?). Once the first effort is in, LOTS of people can fix it and even copy it and redo some or most of it... That's OK, if your intention is to get information into the Linux sphere. I was **explicitly** speaking, see the quote above, of **good** documentation. And since I already wrote how weak I find assumptions like yours above, I'll simply point you to Point 1 of http://digifreedom.net/node/61. So, my advice is just do it. someone will fix it. Here I could simply answer after you, please or repeat what I wrote above: we're talking about quality, not quantity. But I have a very fresh, real world example of somebody who just did it and things didn't go as you say, so I'll let that speak for itself. Have a look to the thread about Postfix How-tos starting at http://archives.neohapsis.com/archives/postfix/2008-12/0133.html the thread summary is: - postfix gurus only wrote good, but too difficult docs - some popular postfix howtos (by other people who just did them) are broken - newbies read **those** docs only, as the official ones are too difficult - they make mistakes following those docs, ask how to fix them to the postfix list. This happens several times a year. - every time, postfix gurus answer those docs are broken, check the official docs - for any number of reasons, postfix gurus have no plan to write better howtos themselves - nobody but postfix gurus could write better howtos than those already available, or fix those ones. Excepted a good technical writer **paid** enough to spend on the subject lots of time, since it isn't an easy task by any means. Actually Marco, I have written many documents, and am a pretty decent technical writer within the area of my particular expertise. I am a Test Applications person who wrote over 60 programs for Teradyne Inc. along with several hundred pages of documentation on system use and technical skills for test applications. You would find some of them in nearly every company in the world using Teradyne systems. I wrote and delivered training on RF, Video, DSP, system correlation, and several other topics, and no one ever complained that they didn't get their money's worth. Yet even my documentation was often improved upon by those who followed later. That is engineering in progress. Some of those changes were patently wrong as well, and often what the uninitiated see as a failure of the documentation is really a failure in following well what was written. In many cases the folks who criticize documentation haven't actually read it. I read nearly a 1000 pages a week of technical documentation, and that is what makes me good at what I do. The field for Technical topics is not ever static. During my career, from vacuum tubes to DTL, then TTL, then MOS, then CMOS and advanced BI-CMOS, some DMOS, and of course the advanced processes today where devices are so small that you practically need a microscope to read their labeling, the field has continually advanced. Advanced architectures today for software, hardware, and OS's are changing at an increasing rate, and have been for decades. It won't stop, or get easier, but only magnitudes of more difficult if you do not keep up. When you talk about how docs are broken, and then refer to Wikipedia, you are not looking at true technical documentation, but historical documentation, and there is a real difference. What is needed for technical documentation is indepth knowledge of not only how a system works, but why, and why you should not short cut the means and methods supplied. Does that mean that everyone will read the documentation? Of course not, and of those who really read the documentation, how many will actually act according to the document? My experience is that at every engineering site, there are one or two guru's, and they are the ones who actually do the grunt work to understand how things work. They read the documents. Most of the rest to some degree piggy back on those few. That's not bad either. It is human nature. The best companies find out the best capabilities of each and capitalize on them, as well as working with their weaknesses to improve the people within the company. The most successful companies leverage that expertise across their customer base and across product lines. And that leveraging is accomplished through abbreviated documentation targeting specific needs, along
Re: (Off Topic ) Open Source: The Model Is Broken ??
On Sat, 2008-12-06 at 19:22 +0100, M. Fioretti wrote: On Sat, Dec 06, 2008 09:31:55 AM -0800, Les wrote: On Sat, 2008-12-06 at 12:04 +0100, M. Fioretti wrote: 1) be ABLE to write good documentation. You yourself acknowledged good documenters are scarce. You're either good at it or you aren't, it's just like programming or any other complex creative activity. I haven't written anything for LINUX, but I can tell you that the biggest issue is getting something on paper (in bits?). Once the first effort is in, LOTS of people can fix it and even copy it and redo some or most of it... That's OK, if your intention is to get information into the Linux sphere. I was **explicitly** speaking, see the quote above, of **good** documentation. And since I already wrote how weak I find assumptions like yours above, I'll simply point you to Point 1 of http://digifreedom.net/node/61. So, my advice is just do it. someone will fix it. Here I could simply answer after you, please or repeat what I wrote above: we're talking about quality, not quantity. But I have a very fresh, real world example of somebody who just did it and things didn't go as you say, so I'll let that speak for itself. Have a look to the thread about Postfix How-tos starting at http://archives.neohapsis.com/archives/postfix/2008-12/0133.html the thread summary is: - postfix gurus only wrote good, but too difficult docs - some popular postfix howtos (by other people who just did them) are broken - newbies read **those** docs only, as the official ones are too difficult - they make mistakes following those docs, ask how to fix them to the postfix list. This happens several times a year. - every time, postfix gurus answer those docs are broken, check the official docs - for any number of reasons, postfix gurus have no plan to write better howtos themselves - nobody but postfix gurus could write better howtos than those already available, or fix those ones. Excepted a good technical writer **paid** enough to spend on the subject lots of time, since it isn't an easy task by any means. since it isn't an easy task by any means is the statement I hear a lot. The truth is that writing should be part and parcel of every engineers job. However it is seen as grunt work by many young engineers who have not been well exposed to the need for documentation within their education. Programmers are taught self documenting code... What an oxymoron. We do call it code for a reason. Hardware and software engineers are not well educated in the need for documentation, and seldom given any time at all to do that portion of the job. If you take time to do the correct support task some fool that doesn't know anything about the task, the skills, the knowledge, or the overall expertise of state of the art will criticize it. As a result you get bad support, poor products, and the inability to transfer knowledge. Read the documents on ANY software package built on object oriented code, and tell me how many bits of the data, code and operation are required to actually accomplish the given task, or how it can be improved. Ever tried to optimize object oriented code? I have. There are a lot of educators on this list. I hope they read my last post on this and this one. Our societies depend upon the software and hardware being designed and built today. Your cars systems, aircraft systems, medical systems, alarm systems, communications systems are all becoming vulnerable to loss of knowledge and expertise. Sorry Marco, just one of my pet peeves. Regards, Les H -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Root in FC-10
On Sat, 2008-12-06 at 19:34 -0500, R. G. Newbury wrote: Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote: After all, we do not want to see Linux systems that are as insecure as Windows systems are by default. Running as root all the tine defeats most of the security of a Linux system. Mikkel Well how *exactly* does running *as root* defeat *most* of the security of a linux system. Sorry but that is BS. Virtually any exploitable point allows an escalation by way of further exploit. If and only if, it is possible to ensure (to 100%) that no exploit can be escalated to provide root level privileges, is it reasonable and logical to claim that not using root, is safer than using root. It has never been explained to my satisfaction how the supposed 'sandbox' of being user in fact adds any extra security to the computer. Becuase it is not just a sandbox, but a permissions thing. Processes a user can start don't have write access to the global system. Processes started from a root account do. Someone will no doubt say that this can be overridden, but it is more difficult than just having an open invitation to the entire system file structure as you do when root. Regards, Les H -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: (Off Topic ) Open Source: The Model Is Broken ??
Les wrote: There is a well known book publisher covering technical topics with a bazillion titles, but published books can't keep up with the rate of change in fedora. What we need is a way to eliminate most of the need for local configuration in the same way open source eliminates most of the need for local programming for common tasks. That is, have a way that a configuration that someone has expertly tuned for a particular purpose can be shared with anyone who needs to do the same kind of work. Fedora mostly just ships one config file for every program and might do a little tweaking to match hardware and user choices during installation. If there were perhaps a hundred choices instead, pre-tuned to different usage models, the end user would only need to know what he wanted to accomplish, not the million variables he had to change to do it. But who would collect, setup the access, vet the operation of those 100 setups, provide accurate information about how they are tuned, and so on and so on and so on It is definitely a missing piece but more a 'how' than a 'who'. In my opinion it should be part of a distribution's infrastructure, needed just as much as the part that manages the source code. People who have a configuration they want to share should be able to do it with an action as simple as committing to a version control system. In fact with a distributed VC, it should be possible to have a system that could be used locally for farms of machines and also push a copy up to a public repository. I can't imagine anyone today designing an operating system with thousands of lines of unversioned cruft spattered all over the place that actually control the way it works (or doesn't...). Vetting should be like every other fedora item: let the users download it and if it is broken they get to keep both pieces. Having a way to add comments and feedback would let you crowdsource the work of determining what works best in what situations, though. -- Les Mikesell [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Some people mis interpret Fedora's Mission Statement.
Arthur Pemberton wrote: Thus, we are able to use the Fedora Project and the JBoss.org communities as proving grounds and virtual laboratories for new technology that we can draw upon for inclusion in our enterprise technologies. Additionally, the open and transparent nature of these projects provides our clients and potential clients with access and insights to the direction of these projects. a) The question about how much money Redhat spends on Fedora is irrelevant. Redhat needs Fedora. Redhat didn't decide to support Fedora out of the goodness of their hearts. Fedora users are Redhat's key to innovation. b) The above quote doesn't say anything about the intended software quality in the Fedora project. All it says is that its a test bed. That doesn't mean its a testbed of beta software. As a matter of fact, how can you gauge the usefulness of a piece of software if its beta quality ? Seriously? Am I just misreading? I don't see it defined as a test bed there. How does 'proving ground' and 'laboratory' differ substantially from 'test bed'? -- Les Mikesell [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Some people mis interpret Fedora's Mission Statement.
Arthur Pemberton wrote: Thus, we are able to use the Fedora Project... So you respond to my statement of what _Fedora's_ objectives are with a statement of what _RedHat's_ objectives are? Is the fact that they explicitly refer to Fedora are a community in which they participate not relevant to you? Giving and taking from the community -- isn't that a definition of a community member? Do you usually talk about your community in terms of how you can 'use' it? -- Les Mikesell [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: OT: rdesktop and netmeeting
Wayne Feick wrote: On Sun, 2008-12-07 at 11:33 +, Anne Wilson wrote: On Wednesday 03 December 2008 01:44:24 Jamie Bohr wrote: The use of rdesktop does not allow sharing in netmeeting. RDP and netmeeting, from what I understand, uses the same port. In the past I used gnomemeeting with netmeeting. gnomemeeting is now ekiga, which I haven't used, so I don't know whether it would meet your needs, but it's worth checking out. Anne I gave Ekiga a try after I installed F10, but it tends to hang. Has anyone had good luck with it? Does anyone have experience video conferencing with Macs? A number of family members are running Macs these days, and it'd be great to be able to connect with them. If you have SIP connectivity, Counterpath's X-lite might work for you: http://www.counterpath.net/X-Lite-Download.html. I haven't tried it with F10 though. -- Les Mikesell [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: help
Are you using yum? or some other process? Regards, Les H On Thu, 2008-12-04 at 11:18 -0800, Md. Nazmul Hamid Reza wrote: hi i am running fedora 9 shulphur. i could not install any software in it. when i try to install then it shows 'You don't have the necessary privileges to install local packages'. what can i do? plz help me -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: (Off Topic ) Open Source: The Model Is Broken ??
On Sat, 2008-12-06 at 12:04 +0100, M. Fioretti wrote: On Sat, Dec 06, 2008 17:14:57 PM +0800, Ed Greshko wrote: When I hear folks lamenting the lack of documentation I often wonder what percentage of them dedicate their time to a documentation project. Would it make any difference if they did? Is it fair to ask them write it yourself or shut up? In order to dedicate your time to documentation one would need to: 1) be ABLE to write good documentation. You yourself acknowledged good documenters are scarce. You're either good at it or you aren't, it's just like programming or any other complex creative activity. This is the biggest obstacle, or at least the first thing that makes the write it yourself or shut up useless (at least). 2) have enough free time, after you've paid mortgage, food and bills, to start and finish writing a manual. Unless you're _paid_ just to write that documentation, of course. Even if you're good, it takes a lot of time and effort to do a good job. Marco -- Your own civil rights and the quality of your life heavily depend on how software is used *around* you:http://digifreedom.net/node/84 I haven't written anything for LINUX, but I can tell you that the biggest issue is getting something on paper (in bits?). Once the first effort is in, LOTS of people can fix it, and several will and even copy it and redo some or most of it with their name on it. That's OK, if your intention is to get information into the Linux sphere. So, my advice is just do it. someone will fix it. Regards, Les H -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: (Off Topic ) Open Source: The Model Is Broken ??
Ed Greshko wrote: 1) be ABLE to write good documentation. You yourself acknowledged good documenters are scarce. You're either good at it or you aren't, it's just like programming or any other complex creative activity. This is the biggest obstacle, or at least the first thing that makes the write it yourself or shut up useless (at least). Actually, my motives where much more subtle (sinister). I tend to feel that some those wanting more/better documentation don't quite realize how difficult producing quality documentation for the masses truly is. So, it is more of try doing it and maybe you'll gain some appreciation for the difficulty. How does understanding the difficultly help? And other than the interactive desktop programs like the office tools, why should 'masses' need to know all the details? 2) have enough free time, after you've paid mortgage, food and bills, to start and finish writing a manual. Unless you're _paid_ just to write that documentation, of course. Even if you're good, it takes a lot of time and effort to do a good job. Which is why there may be a niche market for some company involved support to include documentation. But, that would require a business plan and a business model :-( There is a well known book publisher covering technical topics with a bazillion titles, but published books can't keep up with the rate of change in fedora. What we need is a way to eliminate most of the need for local configuration in the same way open source eliminates most of the need for local programming for common tasks. That is, have a way that a configuration that someone has expertly tuned for a particular purpose can be shared with anyone who needs to do the same kind of work. Fedora mostly just ships one config file for every program and might do a little tweaking to match hardware and user choices during installation. If there were perhaps a hundred choices instead, pre-tuned to different usage models, the end user would only need to know what he wanted to accomplish, not the million variables he had to change to do it. -- Les Mikesell [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: (Off Topic ) Open Source: The Model Is Broken ??
Tom Horsley wrote: Even worse, the lack of documentation forms a kind of positive feedback loop, increasing the feeling that things need to be rewritten, not because they really need it, but because it is easier to rewrite than to understand how to modify the existing code. I wonder if there is any research or statistical work that looks at the upstream packages in terms of rate of code change, or more specifically at the rate of change of external API's or even non-backwards-compatible changes to those APIs? A rating like that would give a real indication of how much choosing to use such a program is going to cost you in maintenance over time. -- Les Mikesell [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: (Off Topic ) Open Source: The Model Is Broken ??
Ed Greshko wrote: There is a well known book publisher covering technical topics with a bazillion titles, but published books can't keep up with the rate of change in fedora. *** I'm not talking about FEDORA...the article wasn't about FEDORA *** And this is getting even more OT than before. To whatever extent fedora wants to claim to be the leading edge distributor of open source, it is all about fedora - and whether they want to claim responsibility or not, fedora and Red Hat before the split have almost certainly dropped more code in more peoples laps than anyone else. Even if the article was strictly about businesses using RHEL, the changes all start being distributed in fedora - including the ones that are going to cause maintenance issues for users upgrading to the next RHEL. -- Les Mikesell [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Analog-to-Digital Audio:
Dean S. Messing wrote: Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote: Tim wrote: Patrick O'Callaghan: Turntables are also available. Ironically, a lot of these actually come with Audacity even though they're marketed for Windows. Mikkel L. Ellertson: For example: http://www.geeks.com/details.asp?invtid=3DTTUSB-PB-Rcpc=3DSCH I'd be very surprised if any of those plastic turntables were anything but utter crap. But then they're aimed at the MP3/iPod users, where audio quality is the least thing on their mind... Considering the quality of the analog to digital converter most people are going to be using, it probably would not be much better using a quality turntable, cartridge, and preamp. The A to D converter in the sound cards of most computers is not that great. (Good enough for mp3, but that is about it.) What sound cards (that have Linux drivers) would you recommand for very high fidelity stereo digitising? I have two purposes. One is a new interest in audio work. Another is a project in which I need to digitise and analyse two related analogue waveforms. Low noise, good linearity, flat freq. response down to 5 Hz, sampling rate of (at least) 192 Ksamples/sec are my initial specifications. The flat response is only a want. I can calibrate out any deviations if they are not severe (like being at -60dB at 5 Hz :-). You probably want to start here: http://ccrma.stanford.edu/planetccrma/software/ for anything resembling professional audio On Linux. -- Les Mikesell [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: (Off Topic ) Open Source: The Model Is Broken ??
M. Fioretti wrote: There is a problem peculiar to the free/open source world in that poor quality versions of things have no reason to ever go away. What we're discussing now, that is your just do it, someone will fix it approach, has nothing whatever to do with the software license. Because we're talking of documentation written, or possibly improved, by third parties, not the developers. What happens to the people trying to use it relates very much to the license, although only as a side effect. Commercial software vendors tend to maintain their own knowledge bases and attrition takes care of cleaning up the things that are out of date. With free stuff, you can probably still find copies of anything that has ever been released and it will clutter any searches you attempt. I don't have a solution for this - it is just an observation that if anyone ever releases bad documentation or even advice, others will be finding and following it years later via google and other archives. but this is a problem only because releasing crap documentation (the just do it, someone will fix it kind) is much, much easier than releasing good stuff, which is again the only point I was making. In the Postfix example, if such documentation existed the Postfix gurus would simply tell newbie don't read A, read B. Instead they say don't read A, read the mountain of over-detailed stuff at postfix.org even if you could go by with one decent, ten page how-to. One decent ten page how-to is right for 10% of the installs, a different ten page how-to would be right for a different 10%. But there's no way to find the one you need and avoid the others. I have a different take on this. Complex programs like postfix have (and need) thousands of options to cover every possible case... Rather than confuse people who should be just following standards with the thousands of options they shouldn't touch anyway, we need a dozen templates for this sort of program. Right. Now, who could write such good templates, ie distill without errors those thousands of options and explain the result clearly, in order to minimize misunderstandings, except the developers themselves or (much better) some pretty good technical writer who's either paid to do it or already financially secure? None of the above. Only a person who actually runs the program in production over a period of time will have a usable template, and it will only be suitable for some subset of other situations. The problem is that he has no way to share his work with the thousands of other people who could use exactly the same setup, and those thousands of people have no way to find the dozens of good examples that exist whose owners might want to share them. For the code, there are source code archives where you can easily track changes over time and alternate branches of development - for a very small developer base. For the much larger user base there is only a choice of 500-page books detailing every obscure config option or the single default config that comes with a distribution. We keep going back to the original point, don't we? (and probably could well stop here, since we're not the ones who could fix this and it isn't Fedora-specific in any way) Who could fix it? What we need is a location and mechanism for admins to share their config files with similar tools that code developers have to maintain versions/branches etc., and view diffs across them. And to whatever extent possible, fedora could produce alternative packaged configs on the order of the caching dns server that would help some subset of users. Making an end user need to know about a million config options to create one of a dozen or so common setups doesn't make much more sense than just throwing the source code at them. -- Les Mikesell [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: (Off Topic ) Open Source: The Model Is Broken ??
M. Fioretti wrote: On Sat, Dec 06, 2008 22:18:23 PM +, Alan Cox wrote: There is a problem peculiar to the free/open source world in that poor quality versions of things have no reason to ever go away. That takes Which actually isn't a problem but a feature. with source code, yes, that's a blessing, no question. With bad documentation, which is the only thing we were discussing (*), no. (*) me, at least. Les actually diverged a bit throwing software itself, rather than its documentation, in the picture. I tried to separate the concepts of end-user documentation for the things that end users should need to know (like using interactive office programs to create your own content) from things related to program setup and configuration. For the latter, people should only need to know what it takes to make them work. If you can ship something that works the way the user wants it to work, they don't need documentation any more than they need the source code (...the real documentation at that level). If you don't understand how these are intertwined, consider how almost any variable could be left in the source or extrapolated into a config file - and in the case of interpreted programs like perl or shell scripts the configuration may in fact be a piece of the software itself, sourced at runtime. The 'one-size-fits-all' concept of the distribution RPMs doesn't quite work to provide configurations that 'just work' for everyone, but a few dozen canned configs might cover most of the cases. This is, of course, a different issue than 'how do I connect a form in openoffice to a table in postgresql?'. -- Les Mikesell [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: (Off Topic ) Open Source: The Model Is Broken ??
M. Fioretti wrote: Right. Now, who could write such good templates, ie distill without errors those thousands of options and explain the result clearly, in order to minimize misunderstandings, except the developers themselves or (much better) some pretty good technical writer who's either paid to do it or already financially secure? None of the above. Only a person who actually runs the program in production over a period of time will have a usable template This is exactly what a responsible, professional tech writer does before writing. Either he runs the sw himself or nags to death the developers and testers to figure out what their notes and internal docs mean. Tech writers and developers often can't test in production scales themselves - and developers are way to optimistic about things. I'd expect someone who actually keeps a large university mail system running to have a much more realistic config file than someone who only looks at the theory. The problem is that he [who has a usable template] has no way to share his work with the thousands of other people who could use exactly the same setup This is false. All that person should do is publish online one page with that template and a few clearly written explanations of its content. That's equally true for source code, but we don't expect users to build their systems from scratch by gathering up source code page by page from random users they don't know in random, distributed places, do we? It's writing the clear explanation which is hard, which is a good part of why those templates don't pop up every day. Explanations are mostly irrelevant if you it works like an appliance. If you need details you can go to the source. Who could fix it? What we need is a location and mechanism for admins to share their config files with similar tools that code developers have to maintain versions/branches etc., and view diffs across them. Les, I have made one general comment about how difficult it is to write good documentation on whatever subject, never mind Fedora. Now you are talking of something which has nothing to do with the topic I suggested. The fact that I used a Postfix example doesn't mean that the good docs problem is only for initial configuration, I thought that was clear, sorry. Postfix is a perfect example. Very few people should ever need to know any config options for mail systems. They just need one installed that works in one of some small number of siturations. Having a config files repository would be absolutely useless for a newbie user of, say OpenOffice or Kde. Agreed - there is a big difference in end user run-time operation and administrivia. But they aren't treated differently in the distributions, which contributes to the reputation of open source documentation that started this topic. -- Les Mikesell [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: script help
adrian kok wrote: Hi I have script to remove files but it can't work in directory ls *log | sort -r | sed -e 1,1d | xargs rm -f those folders are: Nov28-log Nov29-log Nov30-log By 'folders', do you mean that these are directories? You need to 'rm -rf' directories to remove the with their contents, or you can 'rmdir' if they are empty. -- Les Mikesell [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Quest8ion about what backup util to use.
Steven W. Orr wrote: I have a dirt simple backup scheme. I have a list of directories that I back up and they all get copied to a disk that was put in just for that purpose. I used to use something called flexbackup, but it occasionally had problems and it hasn't been supported in years. I'd like to give it a conf file and have a full backup run of those dirs once a month and then have incrementals done on a daily basis. The resulting files should be somehow compressed and easy to access when needed. (I go on the presumption that you only need your backup if you don't make it.) Is there a favored util that will do what I want? Backuppc is close. It is really intended to back up multiple machines over a network with a web interface to browse and restore, but it will work locally and you can mount your extra disk in it's archive location. -- Les Mikesell [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Erase cache, clean registry in Linux
Michael Schwendt wrote: On Tue, 25 Nov 2008 08:45:39 -0600, Seann Clark wrote: Manuel Gomez wrote: Hi, i would like to know a tool or software to erase the cache, clean the registry... Somebody could help me? Thank you very much, I appreciate your help. AFAIK, Fedora doesn't have a registry. Closest thing is the filesystem journal, and Inodes. Not entirely right if you consider things like the GConf database and the RPM database. And worse, the dotfiles in home directories that may have version-specific attributes that relate to the program versions you ran last. -- Les Mikesell [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Network Card Naming Issue
Bill Davidsen wrote: Actually, no. The method is to use UUID and totally ignore hardware names. That's what current /etc/fstab and /etc/mdadm.conf do these days. Right now, the key hardware components are remembered by udev. As this new method matures, it will become easier to maintain/remove hardware. But think of the alternative! The old way might be ok for single drive, single interface systems, but not otherwise. There are many of us who remember the 'bad old days' when this issue was capable of destroying months of work! The hal stuff was written by people who were wedded to matching the same device to the same name. Putting MAC address, UUID, or serial number in as the key is far more reliable, and allows people to to have a single place to specify the match. Having to beat up sysconfig and hal to change a failed device is not conducive to good system administration. Your points are well taken, but I consider hal keeping it's own ideas instead of using sysconfig to be a bug, not a feature. You do need to be able to move parts around as well as replace old parts in an existing system. And you need to be able to do image copies of drives. What happens if you put disks with duplicate labels (for years they wouldn't boot...) or uuids into the same machine? What if you put disks that previously used to be the same-numbered md? device from 2 different machines into the same box? It has been a while since I tried that, but it wasn't pretty. What if you want to replace your current eth0 with a different card and shift the use of the existing one to a different subnet? And all of this gets in the way when you need to restore your backups onto a similar but different box. -- Les Mikesell [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Network Card Naming Issue
Bill Davidsen wrote: Your points are well taken, but I consider hal keeping it's own ideas instead of using sysconfig to be a bug, not a feature. You do need to be able to move parts around as well as replace old parts in an existing system. And you need to be able to do image copies of drives. What happens if you put disks with duplicate labels (for years they wouldn't boot...) or uuids into the same machine? What if you put disks that previously used to be the same-numbered md? device from 2 different machines into the same box? It has been a while since I tried that, but it wasn't pretty. The md device number seems not to be an issue. If I put it 2 sets of drives that used to be md2 in former machines, which set will become md2 and what happens to the other one? Using a non-unique UUID on a system is the same level as swapping two hard drives and using the physical device name to determine how they're used, if you make an effort to shoot yourself in the foot you will wind up with a hole in your shoe. Deliberately creating a condition where the information used to tell hardware apart is ambiguous is dubious practice at best. Making a unix-like system that can't deal with dd-copied disks is shooting everyone in both feet. What if you want to replace your current eth0 with a different card and shift the use of the existing one to a different subnet? Have the info in one place, sysconfig, not sysconfig and hal keeping their own idea of reality. Being able to set this in one place is good, assuming that two places will always match is unrealistic. People screw up, restores happen, one place is right or wrong, but never maybe. And all of this gets in the way when you need to restore your backups onto a similar but different box. If you make physical backups of drives that is the least of the problems. The disk part will work as long as the replacement motherboard has the same controller type - and you don't put 2 copies of the same disk in it at once. But your network won't come up, so it's no fun when you have someone replacing stuff remotely and you expect it access it again. The UUID isn't backed up using by-file backup, so conventional backups by tape or rsync aren't a problem. You always have a problem, you are just moving it around. Now you have a machine that won't boot, and if it did boot, would have fstab entries pointing at uuids or labels that don't exist. Finding that two drive made a few months apart, with the same part number, are actually slightly in size is painful reality, the only things I backup with a physical backup are VM images, and usually not those either. The problem of mismatched identifiers is always going to exist, depending on which part you swap, and the motherboard, nics, conrollers, and disks are all equally candidates. We just need something besides andaconda that knows how to glue the pieces together. -- Les Mikesell [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Make a DHCP server using Fedora - Help
Antonio Olivares wrote: No, there is DNS, and they are the same as the host machine. It might be another little thing, maybe the packet forwarding or Iptables stuff? Thank you very much for your guidance :) It is much closer than before. You have to deal with routing and NAT somewhere. You might avoid it if you run a nameserver and squid proxy on the host and configure the clients to use the proxy. Otherwise you need the host to route the packets if you have a NAT gateway elsewhere, or to route and NAT if nothing but the host knows about this subnet. -- Les Mikesell [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Make a DHCP server using Fedora - Help
Antonio Olivares wrote: BTW, I am getting DHCP requests from other machines in the school network :( I only want the network for my own machines in the classroom not the others. Here's what I am getting Nov 19 07:14:27 localhost dhcpd: DHCPDISCOVER from 00:50:2c:a2:23:28 via eth0: network 10.154.19.0/24: no free leases Nov 19 07:14:27 localhost dhcpd: DHCPREQUEST for 10.154.19.248 (10.154.16.130) from 00:50:2c:a2:23:28 via eth0: unknown lease 10.154.19.248. Nov 19 07:18:50 localhost ntpd[2082]: synchronized to 72.249.76.84, stratum 2 Nov 19 07:24:25 localhost dhcpd: DHCPREQUEST for 10.154.19.94 from 00:40:f4:ea:ee:d3 via eth0: unknown lease 10.154.19.94. Nov 19 07:25:34 localhost dhcpd: DHCPINFORM from 10.154.19.94 via eth0 Nov 19 07:25:34 localhost dhcpd: DHCPACK to 10.154.19.94 (00:40:f4:ea:ee:d3) via eth0 Nov 19 07:25:37 localhost dhcpd: DHCPINFORM from 10.154.19.94 via eth0 Nov 19 07:25:37 localhost dhcpd: DHCPACK to 10.154.19.94 (00:40:f4:ea:ee:d3) via eth0 Nov 19 07:26:51 localhost dhcpd: DHCPREQUEST for 10.154.19.133 from 00:0c:f1:76:fc:68 via eth0: unknown lease 10.154.19.133. Nov 19 07:27:25 localhost dhcpd: DHCPINFORM from 10.154.19.165 via eth0 Nov 19 07:27:25 localhost dhcpd: DHCPACK to 10.154.19.165 (00:08:74:2e:70:e7) via eth0 Nov 19 07:27:28 localhost dhcpd: DHCPINFORM from 10.154.19.165 via eth0 Nov 19 07:27:28 localhost dhcpd: DHCPACK to 10.154.19.165 (00:08:74:2e:70:e7) via eth0 Nov 19 07:30:08 localhost dhcpd: DHCPINFORM from 10.154.19.63 via eth0 Nov 19 07:30:08 localhost dhcpd: DHCPACK to 10.154.19.63 (00:12:3f:31:8d:b4) via eth0 Nov 19 07:30:11 localhost dhcpd: DHCPINFORM from 10.154.19.63 via eth0 Nov 19 07:30:11 localhost dhcpd: DHCPACK to 10.154.19.63 (00:12:3f:31:8d:b4) via eth0 Nov 19 07:32:38 localhost dhcpd: DHCPINFORM from 10.154.19.133 via eth0 Nov 19 07:32:38 localhost dhcpd: DHCPACK to 10.154.19.133 (00:0c:f1:76:fc:68) via eth0 Nov 19 07:33:57 localhost dhcpd: DHCPDISCOVER from 00:08:a1:0f:53:35 via eth0: network 10.154.19.0/24: no free leases Nov 19 07:33:57 localhost dhcpd: DHCPREQUEST for 10.154.19.91 (10.154.16.130) from 00:08:a1:0f:53:35 via eth0: unknown lease 10.154.19.91. Nov 19 07:34:13 localhost dhcpd: DHCPINFORM from 10.154.19.91 via eth0 Nov 19 07:34:13 localhost dhcpd: DHCPACK to 10.154.19.91 (00:08:a1:0f:53:35) via eth0 Nov 19 07:34:16 localhost dhcpd: DHCPINFORM from 10.154.19.91 via eth0 Nov 19 07:34:16 localhost dhcpd: DHCPACK to 10.154.19.91 (00:08:a1:0f:53:35) via eth0 Thank you very much again for helping out. Your client subnet should be physically isolated from rest of the building's network. That is, the host should have one interface on the main net and another connected to a separate switch where your dhcp clients connect. You will break the rest of the main network if you connect your dhcp-serving interface there. -- Les Mikesell [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Make a DHCP server using Fedora - Help
Antonio Olivares wrote: --- On Wed, 11/19/08, Les Mikesell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Les Mikesell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Make a DHCP server using Fedora - Help To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], Community assistance, encouragement, and advice for using Fedora. fedora-list@redhat.com Date: Wednesday, November 19, 2008, 5:55 AM Antonio Olivares wrote: No, there is DNS, and they are the same as the host machine. It might be another little thing, maybe the packet forwarding or Iptables stuff? Thank you very much for your guidance :) It is much closer than before. You have to deal with routing and NAT somewhere. You might avoid it if you run a nameserver and squid proxy on the host and configure the clients to use the proxy. Otherwise you need the host to route the packets if you have a NAT gateway elsewhere, or to route and NAT if nothing but the host knows about this subnet. -- Les Mikesell [EMAIL PROTECTED] I added the following and saved them iptables-save upon reading another page: http://chwang.blogspot.com/2007/11/making-linux-fedora-core-8-as-gateway.html The advice to add: net.ipv4.ip_forward = 1 to /etc/sysctl.conf only takes effect after the next reboot. If you want to change this on the fly you can: echo 1 /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward it says iptables and has this part: # Forward all packets from eth1 (internal network) to eth0 (the public internet) iptables -A FORWARD -i eth1 -o eth0 -j ACCEPT # Forward packets that are part of existing and related connections from eth0 to eth1 iptables -A FORWARD -i eth0 -o eth1 -m state --state ESTABLISHED,RELATED -j ACCEPT # Enable SNAT functionality on eth0. a.b.c.d are generally the ip of the eth0 iptables -A POSTROUTING -t nat -s 192.168.1.0/24 -o eth0 -j SNAT --to-source a. I added everything here except last line Enable SNAT, I do not know what that means, I know it is close. I can ping the host machine, it gets an ip, it gets DNS, and all, but cannot surf :( Anywhere you send packets needs some way to get the response back to the sender. One way to do this is to plan things so all of your private subnets are unique and add routes toward the gateway interfaces for everything else. Another way is to NAT the source address as it goes out the already-known interface. That way the rest of the world does not need to know about your new private subnet. As a packet goes out, the source address of the client will be replaced with the address of the forwarding interface and the host performing this will maintain a table of connections to do the reverse mapping as the reply packets come back. If you tcpdump your eth0 interface now, you'll probably see packets being forwarded out but nothing coming back because the rest of the net/world doesn't know the route back. When you add the SNAT, it will look like the host machine itself to the rest of the world. The argument to -s is the range of original addresses to replace, -o is the outbound interface, and --to-source is the IP of the outbound interface on the host. -- Les Mikesell [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: set up NAT (network address translation) on local server
Antonio Olivares wrote: --- On Wed, 11/19/08, Christopher K. Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Christopher K. Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: set up NAT (network address translation) on local server To: Community assistance, encouragement, and advice for using Fedora. fedora-list@redhat.com Date: Wednesday, November 19, 2008, 2:57 PM What does this command produce? (shows whether your snat rule is implemented correctly) iptables -vnL -t nat And this one? (tells if ip forwarding is on) cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward Chris -- A society grows great when old men plant trees whose shade they know they shall never sit in - Greek Proverb -- fedora-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$ su - Password: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]# iptables -vnL -t nat Chain PREROUTING (policy ACCEPT 0 packets, 0 bytes) pkts bytes target prot opt in out source destination Chain POSTROUTING (policy ACCEPT 0 packets, 0 bytes) pkts bytes target prot opt in out source destination Chain OUTPUT (policy ACCEPT 0 packets, 0 bytes) pkts bytes target prot opt in out source destination [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]# cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward 1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]# Try modprobe iptable_nat iptables -A POSTROUTING -t nat -o eth0 -j MASQUERADE and make sure the host itself can ping the targets you are trying. -- Les Mikesell [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: any drawbacks to 64-bit versus 32-bit install?
Dave Feustel wrote: Go with 64 bit. I have gotten 3 machines with AMD64 processors and I have installed Fedora 10 Preview with 64 bit version and they are working nicely :) It(64 bit) will make full use of the machines capabilities and if it were not for the flash player and other proprietary stuff, 64 is the way to go :) As pointed out in a separate thread, adobe has finally stared working on and has an alpha version out of 64bit version of flash. Check the archives for the thread. So that argument isn't relevant any longer? If flash is important to you, I think it is until is is proven to be as reliable as the 32 bit version ;) I have read that html 5 will make flash unnecessary. Is there any truth to that assertion? It is supposed to include audio and video elements, but there's not much reason to expect all the parties involved to ever agree on a standard codec which leaves you pretty much in the same shape as needing flash. -- Les Mikesell [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: [Fwd: Quota function]
you need the admin password or the sudoers password to make this work. If you set up the system yourself, you should have the admin password, otherwise, contact the system administrator. Regards, Les H On Fri, 2008-11-14 at 21:40 +0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear All, Would you mind to help about this problem ? Thanks ! Edward. Original Message Subject: Quota function Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2008 00:28:46 +0800 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dear All, Is there config sample for using Quota function ( cmd of quota and edquota ) ? For user's bash_profile : PATH=$PATH:/sbin:/usr/sbin:/usr/local/bin For running with visudo : HOST = NOPASSWD:/usr/sbin/edquota, /usr/bin/quota For home directory : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$ ls -l -h /home/aquota.* -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 10K Nov 4 23:32 /home/aquota.group -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 10K Nov 4 23:32 /home/aquota.user [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$ BUT the result : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$ sudo quota -v edward Password: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$ sudo edquota -p qwe -u zxc Password: NEED password ??? So, what misstake I had ? Many thank for your help ! Edward. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Linux backup help
Frank Cox wrote: On Mon, 10 Nov 2008 13:26:34 -0700 Kevin Kempter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm awaiting a new linux laptop that will be my primary work machine. I want to implement a strategy that allows me as easily as possible to revert back to a former state. My primary concern is a scenario where I apply system updates and it breaks something that for me is critical. Have you looked at this? (I've never used it myself, yet, but it looks interesting.) http://www.mondorescue.org/ Clonezilla-live would be good for this if you have space on a networked machine to hold a compressed disk image. http://clonezilla.org/clonezilla-live/ -- Les Mikesell [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Linux backup help
bruce wrote: hi les/guys... assume you had/have a usb/external drive that was connected to the laptop. assume that it was also the same size (2.5) as the laptop drive... couldn't you set up a process to do a complete rsync/backup every x hours of everything on the drive in use. Well, yes, but one of the reasons you make backups is to cover the case where you meant to type 'rm -rf something*' when you are in the root directory and accidentally type 'rm -rf something *' instead. Or a software bug that does something like that. this would give a complete, always available backup that would always be right at your arms ready!!! Yes - but it would be even better if you rotated 2 such disks - or ran over the network to another box. ok.. so what would be needed to accomplish this!! You can either do the obvious script that rsync's each partition and let cron run it, or look up one of the packages that keeps some history, like rdiff-backup. -- Les Mikesell [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
