F10, AthlonXP 2500+, recently updated...System freeze?
This may be coincidence, or maybe not... After the last round of updates to F10 on my AthlonXP 2500+ system, a couple/few weeks ago, my system has been freezing. I get nothing in my logs, I see nothing in the way of the normal kernel debug output that often spews out to the screen...the system just completely freezes. I've tried in runlevel 5 (where I normally run, as I use this system as my desktop) and in runlevel 3. I seem to recall a thread, recently, where some laptop users were noting that they were noting increased heat and their fans running more often, after some recent updates (and specifically noted that they were not having this issue when dual booting into Windows)...has anyone else noted similar issues on desktop type systems? While I realize that there are risks to using bleeding edge operating systems, I've been a Red Hat user since 4.2, and a Fedora user since FC1, and not having my desktop system usable is causing me great distress, at this point. Thanks. -- Mike Burger http://www.bubbanfriends.org Visit the Dog Pound II BBS telnet://dogpound2.citadel.org or http://dogpound2.citadel.org To be notified of updates to the web site, visit: https://www.bubbanfriends.org/mailman/listinfo/site-update or send a blank email message to: site-update-subscr...@bubbanfriends.org -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: F10, AthlonXP 2500+, recently updated...System freeze?
On Mon, 2009-07-13 at 09:18 -0400, Mike Burger wrote: After the last round of updates to F10 on my AthlonXP 2500+ system, a couple/few weeks ago, my system has been freezing. I get nothing in my logs, I see nothing in the way of the normal kernel debug output that often spews out to the screen...the system just completely freezes. Yup, my Athlon 2500+ is also doing the same thing. Five lockups now since release. I'm not sure if it is a kernel bug or the bad powersave stuff or the bad xorg ati radeon package. I'm tired of waiting for fixes that just aren't coming. If I don't get a fix in the next day or so, I'm backing out F11 and reverting to F10 for stability reasons. I can't afford to have my home automation go offline every once in a while... I thinkyou can rule out the ATI radeon package...I'm running the Xorg nvidia package...but I also had the issue when running in runlevel 3 (multiuser text mode)...and this is with F10...so if you do back out, I'd recommend not necessarily updating. I also don't think it's necessarily a kernel bug, as I've reverted to the oldest kernel I have installed on the system, and the same thing happens. Guess I need to go check bugzilla, and file a report if there isn't one. -- Mike Burger http://www.bubbanfriends.org Visit the Dog Pound II BBS telnet://dogpound2.citadel.org or http://dogpound2.citadel.org To be notified of updates to the web site, visit: https://www.bubbanfriends.org/mailman/listinfo/site-update or send a blank email message to: site-update-subscr...@bubbanfriends.org -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: F10, AthlonXP 2500+, recently updated...System freeze?
On Mon, 2009-07-13 at 09:18 -0400, Mike Burger wrote: After the last round of updates to F10 on my AthlonXP 2500+ system, a couple/few weeks ago, my system has been freezing. I get nothing in my logs, I see nothing in the way of the normal kernel debug output that often spews out to the screen...the system just completely freezes. Yup, my Athlon 2500+ is also doing the same thing. Five lockups now since release. I'm not sure if it is a kernel bug or the bad powersave stuff or the bad xorg ati radeon package. I'm tired of waiting for fixes that just aren't coming. If I don't get a fix in the next day or so, I'm backing out F11 and reverting to F10 for stability reasons. I can't afford to have my home automation go offline every once in a while... I thinkyou can rule out the ATI radeon package...I'm running the Xorg nvidia package...but I also had the issue when running in runlevel 3 (multiuser text mode)...and this is with F10...so if you do back out, I'd recommend not necessarily updating. I also don't think it's necessarily a kernel bug, as I've reverted to the oldest kernel I have installed on the system, and the same thing happens. Guess I need to go check bugzilla, and file a report if there isn't one. Well, we're not the only ones...there's a bug for this in reported for both F10 and F11, I believe. I booted my system up in single user mode...it's been up for 3:16, now. Hoping it stays up for a while. -- Mike Burger http://www.bubbanfriends.org Visit the Dog Pound II BBS telnet://dogpound2.citadel.org or http://dogpound2.citadel.org To be notified of updates to the web site, visit: https://www.bubbanfriends.org/mailman/listinfo/site-update or send a blank email message to: site-update-subscr...@bubbanfriends.org -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Just and FYI about Firefox 3.5
One of the sights is comcast.net. I login and the the browser closes. This did not happen with core 10. Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Larry - Original Message - From: Fernando Cassia fcas...@gmail.com To: Community assistance, encouragement, and advice for using Fedora. fedora-list@redhat.com Sent: Thursday, July 9, 2009 8:26:15 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: Just and FYI about Firefox 3.5 On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 9:13 AM, Bradleypursley...@comcast.net wrote: Â Â There are several websites Which ones? that are beginning to issue warnings to not use Firefox 3.5 with their site Screenshots? due to a known (to them) lack of compatibility as compared to other versions and browsers. Mozilla.org Bugzilla bug numbers? I have experienced this myself Care to name some URLs? Just curious. Don't get me wrong, I appreciate your report but as you see there's a lot of information missing... Is there a particular part of Comcast's site? I'm not seeing an issue, just going to www.comcast.net. -- Mike Burger http://www.bubbanfriends.org Visit the Dog Pound II BBS telnet://dogpound2.citadel.org or http://dogpound2.citadel.org To be notified of updates to the web site, visit: https://www.bubbanfriends.org/mailman/listinfo/site-update or send a blank email message to: site-update-subscr...@bubbanfriends.org -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Just and FYI about Firefox 3.5
On 07/09/2009 08:17 AM, Mike Burger wrote: One of the sights is comcast.net. I login and the the browser closes. This did not happen with core 10. Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Larry - Original Message - From: Fernando Cassiafcas...@gmail.com To: Community assistance, encouragement, and advice for using Fedora. fedora-list@redhat.com Sent: Thursday, July 9, 2009 8:26:15 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: Just and FYI about Firefox 3.5 On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 9:13 AM, Bradleypursley...@comcast.net wrote: Â Â There are several websites Which ones? that are beginning to issue warnings to not use Firefox 3.5 with their site Screenshots? due to a known (to them) lack of compatibility as compared to other versions and browsers. Mozilla.org Bugzilla bug numbers? I have experienced this myself Care to name some URLs? Just curious. Don't get me wrong, I appreciate your report but as you see there's a lot of information missing... Is there a particular part of Comcast's site? I'm not seeing an issue, just going to www.comcast.net. Oddly enough, the comcast site is not one of the websites that 3.5 is having a problem with...that I know of. Color me clueless...I could have sworn that comcast.net was one of the sites that was listed in the response. Sorry. -- Mike Burger http://www.bubbanfriends.org Visit the Dog Pound II BBS telnet://dogpound2.citadel.org or http://dogpound2.citadel.org To be notified of updates to the web site, visit: https://www.bubbanfriends.org/mailman/listinfo/site-update or send a blank email message to: site-update-subscr...@bubbanfriends.org -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: NM and TKIP
On Friday 19 June 2009 23:55:43 Craig White wrote: I have come to accept that what applies in one setup doesn't necessarily apply in another. I have things that work perfectly on an F10 workstation but not on an F10 netbook. I'm guessing that there is some difference in software installed, as well as hardware differences, but it can be almost impossible to track down some problems. Thankfully they seem to get sorted out almost by accident when some other reported bug is being addressed. I think if you create keyrings in GNOME (evolution, NM, other stuff) that use the same password as your login, most of this stuff just works automatically, even if you use KDE. Hmm - that could be the difference, then. I use a more secure password for TKIP than for my local login. Not quite the same thing, Anne. The password he's referring to is the keyring app, not the actual TKIP key. The TKIP key would be stored in the keyring app...the password that he and I refer to is for the keyring app, itself. He's suggesting that if your login password and your password for the keyring app are the same, then you may not be prompted for the keyring password. Might you have been prompted, Anne, to save the key in the keyring, but opted not to do so, earlier on when you first set up the wireless networking on your system? -- Mike Burger http://www.bubbanfriends.org Visit the Dog Pound II BBS telnet://dogpound2.citadel.org or http://dogpound2.citadel.org To be notified of updates to the web site, visit: https://www.bubbanfriends.org/mailman/listinfo/site-update or send a blank email message to: site-update-subscr...@bubbanfriends.org -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: NM and TKIP
On Wed, 2009-06-17 at 21:45 +0100, Anne Wilson wrote: On Wednesday 17 June 2009 20:18:41 Mike Cloaked wrote: Anne Wilson-4 wrote: Unfortunately under F10 at least it cannot/will not use the saved key. It has to be manually entered every time, causing delay in making the connection. This has been working fine for me in F10 ever since F10 GA - and it does save the key - however this is in gnome. Maybe it does not work in KDE4? Could be. I've never got it to use the saved key. you could have fooled me because my laptop on F10/KDE saved the key but it is now running F11 so I can't test but I never have had to re-enter the key. Nor do I, though I do have to input my password for the keyring. -- Mike Burger http://www.bubbanfriends.org Visit the Dog Pound II BBS telnet://dogpound2.citadel.org or http://dogpound2.citadel.org To be notified of updates to the web site, visit: https://www.bubbanfriends.org/mailman/listinfo/site-update or send a blank email message to: site-update-subscr...@bubbanfriends.org -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: clone
Hello, If I understand correctly, anaconda and kickstart let install a machine identically to a previous machine installed with anaconda. If the machine has been upgraded by all sort of packages, then the use of anaconda is obsolete. Am I correct ? Is there a way to rebuild a file which could be used on the 2nd machine, either which anaconda or with yum or something else ? Anaconda is the installation program used by RH/Fedora for the initial install. If you've updated the packages on your source machine, you have a couple of options: A) Run yum update on the newly built system(s) after the kickstart build has finished. B) Download the updated packages to your source/install repository, and let them be installed by the kickstart build process. If you look at your kickstart file, you'll note that there are no versions listed...only package and/or package group names. As long as all the appropriate packages are there to satisfy prereq/dependencies, you should be fine. -- Mike Burger http://www.bubbanfriends.org Visit the Dog Pound II BBS telnet://dogpound2.citadel.org or http://dogpound2.citadel.org To be notified of updates to the web site, visit: https://www.bubbanfriends.org/mailman/listinfo/site-update or send a blank email message to: site-update-subscr...@bubbanfriends.org -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: NM and TKIP
Bonjour, I tried to find where to configure networkmanager to use TKIP for a wifi but I failed... I failed to connect that way (using NM) and I am wondering if it is possible. running f10. Thanks for advices. Bonjour, Francois. Indeed, it is possible to use WPA/TKIP with Network Manager under F10...I am doing so, myself. All you need to do is to click on the NM icon that shows up in the system tray area...it should pop up a list of nearby wireless networks. Select the network you want, and it should then prompt you for the key. It will also prompt you to save the key in the password wallet type program, and will ask you for a password to encrypt that repository, as well. -- Mike Burger http://www.bubbanfriends.org Visit the Dog Pound II BBS telnet://dogpound2.citadel.org or http://dogpound2.citadel.org To be notified of updates to the web site, visit: https://www.bubbanfriends.org/mailman/listinfo/site-update or send a blank email message to: site-update-subscr...@bubbanfriends.org -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Baffled by a Cable Modem
I have been using Verizon DSL as my Internet connection for several years with no problems. I decided to upgrade my connection from .768 to 3 megs. after about three weeks multiple phone calls , two different modems, technician visit, line work and hours on the phone, I am now down to .6 MB/sec. and the technician can't come again for another week. I will be just short of a month getting an upgrade. I therfore decided to try Cox Cable high speed internet. I signed up , installed the modem and went through the activation process in Windows XP.all right. When I try Linux/Firefox, I get a situation that is completly baffling to me. Most of the URLs I try result in firefox hanging at loading However Gmail works fine. I tried Cox support and they are very good at confirming that my hardware in windows is good, but they don't speak Linux.. I tried to look at the configuration values but couldn't see anything suspicious. If a config value is wrong I would expect that i wouldn't get Gmail. Can anyone give me a clew on where to start? I tried google, but couldn't see anything helpful. I did see one message that said the modem I have is not compatible with Linux. although most of the talk was about a USB connection and I have ethernet. the modem is a Scientific Atlanta 2100. This may be off topic and I would apreciate redirection to a better group. I looked but didn't see one. It sounds, to me, like you're connecting from your PC to the DSL modem, and attempting to connect using PPOE software. You may be better off using a router, instead...let it handle all the authentication and negotiation, and just let your PC connect through the router, and do what it does. -- Mike Burger http://www.bubbanfriends.org Visit the Dog Pound II BBS telnet://dogpound2.citadel.org or http://dogpound2.citadel.org To be notified of updates to the web site, visit: https://www.bubbanfriends.org/mailman/listinfo/site-update or send a blank email message to: site-update-subscr...@bubbanfriends.org -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Where is eth0/eth1/assigned -
I am still struggling with this f10 install. It appeared that the NIC in eth0 was no good. I pulled it out and left the second card which was/is eth1. It looks to me like that designation eth1 might be changed to eth0 using ethtool but if so, I can't find the right command. I have used service-config-network to set it up as 192.168.1.10 and eth1, network-scripts is set up for eth1. but no matter what I do a ping to another computer yields Network is unreachable. This is a wired connection. I've tried a different cat5 cable. ethtools eth1 looks ok compared to the other computers. Not sure what I have missed but it would be simpler perhaps if I could convince the NIC that it was eth0 instead of eth1 but I can't determine how that is set. Any help appreciated. I am about at wits end. Actually, it's probably in your /etc/modprobe.conf file. -- Mike Burger http://www.bubbanfriends.org Visit the Dog Pound II BBS telnet://dogpound2.citadel.org or http://dogpound2.citadel.org To be notified of updates to the web site, visit: https://www.bubbanfriends.org/mailman/listinfo/site-update or send a blank email message to: site-update-subscr...@bubbanfriends.org -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Where is eth0/eth1/assigned -
Mike Burger wrote: I am still struggling with this f10 install. It appeared that the NIC in eth0 was no good. I pulled it out and left the second card which was/is eth1. It looks to me like that designation eth1 might be changed to eth0 using ethtool but if so, I can't find the right command. I have used service-config-network to set it up as 192.168.1.10 and eth1, network-scripts is set up for eth1. but no matter what I do a ping to another computer yields Network is unreachable. This is a wired connection. I've tried a different cat5 cable. ethtools eth1 looks ok compared to the other computers. Not sure what I have missed but it would be simpler perhaps if I could convince the NIC that it was eth0 instead of eth1 but I can't determine how that is set. Any help appreciated. I am about at wits end. Actually, it's probably in your /etc/modprobe.conf file. /etc/modprobe.conf is an empty file? Do I need to use it to change the eth designation? Don't know how but ... Used to...it's possible that it's being done via udev, at this point. Lemme look around at ethtool and udev info. -- Mike Burger http://www.bubbanfriends.org Visit the Dog Pound II BBS telnet://dogpound2.citadel.org or http://dogpound2.citadel.org To be notified of updates to the web site, visit: https://www.bubbanfriends.org/mailman/listinfo/site-update or send a blank email message to: site-update-subscr...@bubbanfriends.org -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Where is eth0/eth1/assigned -
Mike Burger wrote:
I am still struggling with this f10 install. It appeared that the
NIC in eth0 was no good. I pulled it out and left the second card
which was/is eth1.
It looks to me like that designation eth1 might be changed to eth0
using ethtool but if so, I can't find the right command.
I have used service-config-network to set it up as 192.168.1.10
and
eth1, network-scripts is set up for eth1. but no matter what I do
a
ping to another computer yields Network is unreachable.
This is a wired connection. I've tried a different cat5 cable.
ethtools eth1 looks ok compared to the other computers. Not sure
what I have missed but it would be simpler perhaps if I could
convince the NIC that it was eth0 instead of eth1 but I can't
determine how that is set.
Any help appreciated. I am about at wits end.
Actually, it's probably in your /etc/modprobe.conf file.
/etc/modprobe.conf is an empty file?
Do I need to use it to change the eth designation? Don't know how
but ...
Used to...it's possible that it's being done via udev, at this point.
Lemme look around at ethtool and udev info.
Did a little googling of udev eth designation and found this:
http://www.mepis.org/node/10770
The short of it is to edit /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules.
You can remove the line for eth0, then take the line for eth1, and as long
as the ATTR{address} line matches the MAC address of your current eth1
NIC, just change:
NAME=eth1
to
NAME=eth0
Reboot, and voila!!!
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Re: preupgrade or anaconda error
I was trying to upgrade to F11-preview from F10. I was told to use preupgrade instead of using yum, which passed the dependency problems that stopped yum, but after rebooting anaconda gave errors which I was unable to save. :-( Couldn't connect to my wifi (which doesn't have encryption), nor was I able to save it to disk (even though I saw the disks mounted). I would like to give information on how anaconda crashed, but how? I really want to test F11, and looks like preupgrade is a good tool to accomplish it. Is it possible to connect the computer, in question, to a wired connection and to try again? -- Mike Burger http://www.bubbanfriends.org Visit the Dog Pound II BBS telnet://dogpound2.citadel.org or http://dogpound2.citadel.org To be notified of updates to the web site, visit: https://www.bubbanfriends.org/mailman/listinfo/site-update or send a blank email message to: site-update-subscr...@bubbanfriends.org -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Lappy has F8, network connection, whats best way to bring it up to F10?
I do believe that preupgrade will work...if not, boot directly from the F10 DVD and upgrade that way. At least, that's how I've been doing them. Greetings all; I am going to need my laptop again, which has F8 on it, and a network connection. Fired up for first time in most of a year, pup is upgrading 50 packages right now. What's the quickest least typing, way to upgrade it to F10? Thanks. -- Cheers, Gene There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order. -Ed Howdershelt (Author) The NRA is offering FREE Associate memberships to anyone who wants them. https://www.nrahq.org/nrabonus/accept-membership.asp You've got to think about tomorrow! TOMORROW! I haven't even prepared for *_yesterday* yet! -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines -- Mike Burger http://www.bubbanfriends.org Visit the Dog Pound II BBS telnet://dogpound2.citadel.org or http://dogpound2.citadel.org To be notified of updates to the web site, visit: https://www.bubbanfriends.org/mailman/listinfo/site-update or send a blank email message to: site-update-subscr...@bubbanfriends.org -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: OT: Pushing back Time
(Yes, I'm top posting, but it's only to make this point, and to actually, maybe, have it seen) Guys, I doubt that he was trying to troll, in this case. It seemed to me that he was simply pointing out something he thought was humorous. What I suspect is that Chris is not subscribed to the fedora-announce-list, and hasn't necessarily seen the announcements that the date was slipping by a week or more, due to the fixes, etc. So, maybe we should cut him a little slack? On 5/29/2009 8:08 PM, Chris wrote: On Fri, 29 May 2009 19:58:37 -0400 David dgbo...@comcast.net wrote: On 5/29/2009 7:45 PM, Chris wrote: Greetings, Every few days to a week I check the project site for the release of 11. It cracks me up to see the days just seem to be counting in the wrong direction. For example, a few days ago it said 7 days. Tonight, we're at 11. Might I suggest the tag line say something like: It will be release when it's released. If you had any idea of what is happening behind the screens. If you had any idea of what the developers are doing. Working on. Fixing. trying to make this a good, no great, release, you would troll your way out of here. Bye troll. *shrug* Gee... You mean that you want them to release a 'maybe bad - don't work for a lot of users' release' just so you can have the 'latest and the greatest'? *WOW!!!* Which just might not, maybe, wont work for you and many others?? Or would you prefer, what most of us would prefer, that they present a release that at least works for most? And has promise to work for those that it does not with a tweak or two?? Crawl back under the bridge Troll. Not a troll? Really Then shut the hell up about schedules that slide for the better of the the masses. Here's an idea! You want Fedora 11 *RIGHT NOW*? Download the last RC. Install it. And then update it. *PING*! You got it! Then? The bridge is that way. -- David -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines -- Mike Burger http://www.bubbanfriends.org Visit the Dog Pound II BBS telnet://dogpound2.citadel.org or http://dogpound2.citadel.org To be notified of updates to the web site, visit: https://www.bubbanfriends.org/mailman/listinfo/site-update or send a blank email message to: site-update-subscr...@bubbanfriends.org -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Question about whehter xinetd is still used.
I just noticed that my F10 system does not even have xinetd installed. I can certainly install it if I want, but I was just suprised that it was not installed by default. Is there a movement to get rid of xinetd? It's just that I remember that the trend used to be to move more server processes to be added to the inetd config. Am I missing something? xinetd is available for F10...it depends, greatly, on what options you chose when you installed. For example, if you didn't select to install telnet or some other tools, it may not have opted to install xinetd. Many services do not run, usually, from xinetd, such as ssh or httpd, though they could be made to do so Was there something specific that you wanted to run, that would normally require xinetd? -- Mike Burger http://www.bubbanfriends.org Visit the Dog Pound II BBS telnet://dogpound2.citadel.org or http://dogpound2.citadel.org To be notified of updates to the web site, visit: https://www.bubbanfriends.org/mailman/listinfo/site-update or send a blank email message to: site-update-subscr...@bubbanfriends.org -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Question about whehter xinetd is still used.
On Tuesday 26 May 2009, Mike Burger wrote: I just noticed that my F10 system does not even have xinetd installed. I can certainly install it if I want, but I was just suprised that it was not installed by default. Is there a movement to get rid of xinetd? It's just that I remember that the trend used to be to move more server processes to be added to the inetd config. Am I missing something? xinetd is available for F10...it depends, greatly, on what options you chose when you installed. For example, if you didn't select to install telnet or some other tools, it may not have opted to install xinetd. Many services do not run, usually, from xinetd, such as ssh or httpd, though they could be made to do so Was there something specific that you wanted to run, that would normally require xinetd? The backup program amanda comes to mind, portions of its server utils are xinetd.d controlled. I'm guessing, then, that yum install amanda would then install xinetd as a prerequisite. But, as noted, if Amanda was not selected at install time, like telnet server, etc., Anaconda would not have grabbed xinetd for installation. -- Mike Burger http://www.bubbanfriends.org Visit the Dog Pound II BBS telnet://dogpound2.citadel.org or http://dogpound2.citadel.org To be notified of updates to the web site, visit: https://www.bubbanfriends.org/mailman/listinfo/site-update or send a blank email message to: site-update-subscr...@bubbanfriends.org -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Question about whehter xinetd is still used.
On Tuesday 26 May 2009, Mike Burger wrote: On Tuesday 26 May 2009, Mike Burger wrote: I just noticed that my F10 system does not even have xinetd installed. I can certainly install it if I want, but I was just suprised that it was not installed by default. Is there a movement to get rid of xinetd? It's just that I remember that the trend used to be to move more server processes to be added to the inetd config. Am I missing something? xinetd is available for F10...it depends, greatly, on what options you chose when you installed. For example, if you didn't select to install telnet or some other tools, it may not have opted to install xinetd. Many services do not run, usually, from xinetd, such as ssh or httpd, though they could be made to do so Was there something specific that you wanted to run, that would normally require xinetd? The backup program amanda comes to mind, portions of its server utils are xinetd.d controlled. I'm guessing, then, that yum install amanda would then install xinetd as a prerequisite. I haven't the foggiest, Mike. I don't run amanda from an rpm, as has been discussed here at considerable length with no little heat. Aaahhh...one of those TEHO situations. I don't read every thread on this list...if I did, I'd never get any work done. ;-) -- Mike Burger http://www.bubbanfriends.org Visit the Dog Pound II BBS telnet://dogpound2.citadel.org or http://dogpound2.citadel.org To be notified of updates to the web site, visit: https://www.bubbanfriends.org/mailman/listinfo/site-update or send a blank email message to: site-update-subscr...@bubbanfriends.org -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: firefox
On Thu, 21 May 2009, Patrick Dupre wrote: Hello, 90% of the time when I open a pdf file from firefox the document does not appear in the right window (I mean not in the firefox window, but in side any window), ie that I do not have any control on the document position !! How can it be fixed ? In fact the problem comes from evince My understanding is that evince does not operate as a plugin, as the Adobe Acrobat reader can/does (at least, under Windows). If you can find a PDF reader that can act as a plugin to firefox, under Linux, you should be able to accomplish what you want to do. -- Mike Burger http://www.bubbanfriends.org Visit the Dog Pound II BBS telnet://dogpound2.citadel.org or http://dogpound2.citadel.org To be notified of updates to the web site, visit: https://www.bubbanfriends.org/mailman/listinfo/site-update or send a blank email message to: site-update-subscr...@bubbanfriends.org -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Problem with NM and wired /wireless network
Hi I have F10 running network manager Both wireless and wireless work fine independently, however when network cable is plugged in wireless says it is connected (as per applet) but cannot access any sites . Any idea what is going on here? You have two network connections activated, quite likely on the same network, and the traffic isn't sure which way it's supposed to leave/return to your system? -- Mike Burger http://www.bubbanfriends.org Visit the Dog Pound II BBS telnet://dogpound2.citadel.org or http://dogpound2.citadel.org To be notified of updates to the web site, visit: https://www.bubbanfriends.org/mailman/listinfo/site-update or send a blank email message to: site-update-subscr...@bubbanfriends.org -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: is lvm deprecated?
On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 8:59 AM, Mike Burger mbur...@bubbanfriends.orgwrote: What you appear to have done is created your volume groups, but not created any actual logical volumes in them, nor formatted those logical volumes to create filesystems. What you'll want to do, now, is to run system-config-lvm, and run through the process of creating actual logical volumes and setting them up as filesystems. It's actually very simple and painless. I burst out laughing when I read this. I'm not sure if I should be happy or unhappy about your laughter...especially since my response was born out of nearly 7 years of using LVM tools under AIX, and 4 or 5 of doing so under Fedora. Which part of my response drove you to laughter, if I may? -- Mike Burger http://www.bubbanfriends.org Visit the Dog Pound II BBS telnet://dogpound2.citadel.org or http://dogpound2.citadel.org To be notified of updates to the web site, visit: https://www.bubbanfriends.org/mailman/listinfo/site-update or send a blank email message to: site-update-subscr...@bubbanfriends.org -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: is lvm deprecated?
Hi all, This is wrt f10. I have an 80G drive. When I installed f10 I chose a custom layout for it. My intent was to have a separate /boot partition, swap partition, and 4 lvms of approx. 20G each. When all was said and done the drive ended up looking like this: /dev/sda1 * 1 13 104391 83 Linux /dev/sda2 14243519454715 83 Linux /dev/sda32436485719454715 8e Linux LVM /dev/sda44858996441021977+ 5 Extended /dev/sda54858727919454683+ 8e Linux LVM /dev/sda672807406 1020096 82 Linux swap / Solaris /dev/sda77407996420547103+ 8e Linux LVM Certainly not what I intended. Tried lvdisplay and got no results. Tried lvscan first then lvdisplay and got the same outcome. vgdisplay, ditto. pvdisplay, nada. fdisk seems to think there are logical volumes. cat /etc/mtab and I see this: /dev/mapper/pdc_gdgdgcfhp1 (and 2). In fact in /dev/mapper there are 9 of these. Anybody know where this is documented? Is lvm dead? Inquiring minds want to know ;) Thanks for any insight, Mike Wright LVM is very much alive and in use. What you appear to have done is created your volume groups, but not created any actual logical volumes in them, nor formatted those logical volumes to create filesystems. What you'll want to do, now, is to run system-config-lvm, and run through the process of creating actual logical volumes and setting them up as filesystems. It's actually very simple and painless. -- Mike Burger http://www.bubbanfriends.org Visit the Dog Pound II BBS telnet://dogpound2.citadel.org or http://dogpound2.citadel.org To be notified of updates to the web site, visit: https://www.bubbanfriends.org/mailman/listinfo/site-update or send a blank email message to: site-update-subscr...@bubbanfriends.org -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: [OT] ssh login script - Please Help
Dan Track wrote: I appreciate this is OT but could someone just give me a little advice, I've written this script to logon on each server then restart the ntpd daemon. The problem I have is it only restarts the daemon for the last server provided in the list, any ideas as to why and how to fix it? While I'm not offering any help on why your expect script is failing you, I would say that if you have a need to ssh into multiple machines to copy config files and restart services, you should look into tools like func and puppet. Func is perfect for quick, one-off commands. Puppet is better for complete configuration management. As a t-shirt from Reductive Labs¹, the makers of Puppet said, SSH in a loop is _not_ a solution. ;) ¹ http://reductivelabs.com/images/Layouts.pdf Alternately, Dan ought to, instead of an expect script, use a non-root user, key-based authentication (bypass the password), scp the conf file to the non-root user's homedir, and sudo to provide root level privs to move the conf file into place and restart NTP. -- Mike Burger http://www.bubbanfriends.org Visit the Dog Pound II BBS telnet://dogpound2.citadel.org or http://dogpound2.citadel.org To be notified of updates to the web site, visit: https://www.bubbanfriends.org/mailman/listinfo/site-update or send a blank email message to: site-update-subscr...@bubbanfriends.org -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Turn off animations in Firefox
Is there a way to disable animation in FireFox? Thanks. Uninstall the flashplayer plugin and disable javascript? Seriously...what type of animations are you looking to disable? Your question doesn't provide nearly enough detail on what you're facing. -- Mike Burger http://www.bubbanfriends.org Visit the Dog Pound II BBS telnet://dogpound2.citadel.org or http://dogpound2.citadel.org To be notified of updates to the web site, visit: https://www.bubbanfriends.org/mailman/listinfo/site-update or send a blank email message to: site-update-subscr...@bubbanfriends.org -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: [OT] ssh login script - Please Help
Mike Burger wrote: Alternately, Dan ought to, instead of an expect script, use a non-root user, key-based authentication (bypass the password), scp the conf file to the non-root user's homedir, and sudo to provide root level privs to move the conf file into place and restart NTP. Or don't log in at all. Use scp to copy the file, and then ssh where it is set to run a command when you connect. (Use the comand=comand format for the key.) One thing I am not sure of is if you can use the same key for scp when using the command= option. Well, is part of the openssh suite, and does/will use the same key as the ssh executable. I use keys to scp and ssh to run commands all the time, without having to pass passwords along, in order to automate processes, all the time. -- Mike Burger http://www.bubbanfriends.org Visit the Dog Pound II BBS telnet://dogpound2.citadel.org or http://dogpound2.citadel.org To be notified of updates to the web site, visit: https://www.bubbanfriends.org/mailman/listinfo/site-update or send a blank email message to: site-update-subscr...@bubbanfriends.org -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: [OT] ssh login script - Please Help
Mike Burger wrote: Mikkel wrote: Or don't log in at all. Use scp to copy the file, and then ssh where it is set to run a command when you connect. (Use the comand=comand format for the key.) One thing I am not sure of is if you can use the same key for scp when using the command= option. Well, is part of the openssh suite, and does/will use the same key as the ssh executable. I use keys to scp and ssh to run commands all the time, without having to pass passwords along, in order to automate processes, all the time. I do the same. But I have never tried to use the private key that was tied to a command on the other machine with scp, so I do not know if scp will work with a key that is only allowed to run one program on the remote machine. (You can not login in using that key.) What I was thinking of was: scp file to remote machine ssh to remote machine witch triggers a command on the remote machine. From the sshd man page: command=command Specifies that the command is executed whenever this key is used for authentication. The command supplied by the user (if any) is ignored. The command is run on a pty if the client requests a pty; otherwise it is run without a tty. If an 8-bit clean channel is required, one must not request a pty or should specify no-pty. A quote may be included in the command by quoting it with a backslash. This option might be useful to restrict certain public keys to perform just a specific operation. An example might be a key that permits remote backups but nothing else. Note that the client may specify TCP and/or X11 forwarding unless they are explicitly prohibited. The command originally supplied by the client is available in the SSH_ORIGINAL_COMMAND environment variable. Note that this option applies to shell, command or subsystem execution. Ok...I see where you're going. Well, he could just continue to go with the methodology he's currently employing...use scp to copy the file over, then use ssh to run a command (that command could be a script that runs a number of things, obviously) or multiple commands (multiple ssh calls). -- Mike Burger http://www.bubbanfriends.org Visit the Dog Pound II BBS telnet://dogpound2.citadel.org or http://dogpound2.citadel.org To be notified of updates to the web site, visit: https://www.bubbanfriends.org/mailman/listinfo/site-update or send a blank email message to: site-update-subscr...@bubbanfriends.org -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Apache Virtual Server
I am playing with the Zend Framework on my laptop. In my reading of Zend documentation it looks like Zend wants a certain directory structure so I created: /var/www/html/QuickStart/ /var/www/html/QuickStart/application/ /var/www/html/QuickStart/application/controllers/ /var/www/html/QuickStart/application/views/ /var/www/html/QuickStart/application/views/scripts/ /var/www/html/QuickStart/library/ /var/www/html/QuickStart/public/ The last directory 'public' wants to be the DocumentRoot I want to set up a virtual server whose DocumentRoot is /var/www/html/QuickStart/public my machine's name is confianza and it is running Fedora 10 [r...@confianza conf]# uname -a Linux confianza 2.6.27.21-170.2.56.fc10.i686 #1 SMP Mon Mar 23 23:37:54 EDT 2009 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux I set up /etc/hosts so both confianza and confianzazend resolve to 127.0.0.1 [r...@confianza conf]# grep 127.0.0.1 /etc/hosts 127.0.0.1localhost.localdomain localhost confianza confianzazend My current apache web server uses /var/www/html as it's DocumentRoot and runs fine. [r...@confianza conf]# yum list installed | grep -i http httpd.i386 2.2.11-2.fc10 installed httpd-tools.i3862.2.11-2.fc10 installed jakarta-commons-httpclient.i386 1:3.1-0.3.fc10 installed system-config-httpd.noarch 5:1.4.4-2.fc10 installed [r...@confianza conf]# yum list installed | grep -i zend php-ZendFramework.noarch I edited /etc/httpd/conf/httpd.conf as follows: # ServerName confianza:80 NameVirtualHost *:80 # VirtualHost *:80 ServerName confianza DocumentRoot /var/www/html /VirtualHost # VirtualHost *:80 ServerName confianzazend DocumentRoot /var/www/html/QuickStart/public /VirtualHost I then restart httpd [r...@confianza html]# service httpd restart Stopping httpd:[ OK ] Starting httpd:[ OK ] I want http://confianza to return the contents of /var/www/html I want http://confianzazend to return the contents of /var/www/html/QuickStart What is happening is that both http://confianza and http://confianzazend are both returning the contents of /var/www/html I've looked at several web pages and they all say the same thing, this should just work (TM). It seems simple enough yet my problem persists. What else do I need to do? Thanks Dennis: Having read the entire thread, so far, I don't believe that anyone else has actually identified the issue. The issue is the use of: VirtualHost *:80 You've got a wildcard in every VirtualHost declaration. As a result, you're going to match on the very first VirtualHost, and never get past it. Instead, your VirtualHost declaration needs to be specific about the hostname (or FQDN) for which it is supposed to serve up the particular web pages. What you need to do, instead, is set: VirtualHost confianza:80 and VirtualHost confianzazend:80 -- Mike Burger http://www.bubbanfriends.org Visit the Dog Pound II BBS telnet://dogpound2.citadel.org or http://dogpound2.citadel.org To be notified of updates to the web site, visit: https://www.bubbanfriends.org/mailman/listinfo/site-update or send a blank email message to: site-update-subscr...@bubbanfriends.org -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: F 10 Start up Problem
On Tue, 2009-04-28 at 21:54 -0400, Shannon McMackin wrote: Mike Dwiggins wrote: Has anyone figured out how to get rid of the creping progress bars and get back the startup screen so you can see whats going on? I am having some service start problems and would love to be able to see whats going on! Pressing escape during the progress bar should allow you to see the services starting. Adding vga=792 as a kernel append in /etc/grub.conf should give you the plymouth graphics. probably getting close to the point where this is unnecessary as F11-Beta is giving me plymouth startup goodness on my Aspire One so it seems that they have at least some of the kernel modesetting stuff worked out for F11. FWIW, it works just fine on my Aspire 5100, too...but I get the text crud on my desktop, with an nVidia graphics card. -- Mike Burger http://www.bubbanfriends.org Visit the Dog Pound II BBS telnet://dogpound2.citadel.org or http://dogpound2.citadel.org To be notified of updates to the web site, visit: https://www.bubbanfriends.org/mailman/listinfo/site-update or send a blank email message to: site-update-subscr...@bubbanfriends.org -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Flash player Settings menu, 64-bit
Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On 04/23/2009 03:03 PM, Rick Stevens wrote: Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On 04/23/2009 01:11 PM, Rick Stevens wrote: Ok, I've got one. I'm trying to do some testing for a client using a video chat system based on Flash. Flash simply won't use the camera or mic on my system although both work just fine in ekiga, cheese, skype, you name it. In fact, a right click in the Flash pages on the client's site brings up the Flash control panel, but the Settings... option is greyed out. Anyone else run into this? Any suggestions on how to fix it? Complain to Adobe. Singularly useless response, Pat. I have told Adobe. My curiosity was whether I had a misconfiguration on Firefox, since a right click brings up Flash's menus, but Settings... is greyed out. Under Konqueror, Settings... is NOT greyed out. However, if you select it and the settings screen pops up, you can't select anything in the settings screen, nor can you close it. The only way out is to close Konqueror. In Opera, I can't find the Flash menu anywhere (right click brings up Opera's options window). So, three different browsers, three different behaviors. Smells like a config problem to me...that's why I posted my question. We aren't mind-readers Rick. If you had mentioned any of that before, we could have saved ourselves the effort of this exchange. When asking a question it's important to give enough information for a meaningful answer. That having been said, I think the issue is still best handled by Adobe support. If the behavior is different in multiple browsers, yet sufficiently similar to each other (option either does not display, or displays but is unusable), it's not likely to be an issue of the browser. Additionally, the browser only uses the app as a plugin. There are no settings, specific to th flashplayer, that are configurable from within the browser's settings...they're all at the Flashplayer level. Again, it's probably best left up to Adobe to determine the issue and address it. Or maybe it's just me. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: initdefault has no effect
Mike Burger wrote: Ubuntu (the distro in which I believe upstart to have been started) has done away with the inittab, altogether, in favor of another script in their /etc/events.d (their equivalent of Fedora's /etc/event.d) directory that determines default runlevel. Maybe Fedora needs to consider the same? this is interesting and brings a question, are you saying that ubuntu and fedora use /etc/event.d/ instead of inittab or just ubuntu? From what I've read, Ubuntu does not use the inittab, at all...doesn't even include one. ria, i *replaced* 'id:5:initdefault:' with 'id:3:initdefault:' in inittab and made no changes in /etc/event.d/, and i boot level 3 with no problems. Not surprising...the underlying issue, for us using Fedora, is that the Upstart script that reads the inittab does not distinguish between lines with comment delimiters and lines without. Having just the single line would work, as expected. -- Mike Burger http://www.bubbanfriends.org Visit the Dog Pound II BBS telnet://dogpound2.citadel.org or http://dogpound2.citadel.org To be notified of updates to the web site, visit: https://www.bubbanfriends.org/mailman/listinfo/site-update or send a blank email message to: site-update-subscr...@bubbanfriends.org -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: NetworkManager and domain names in /etc/resolv.conf
Hi, I don't know if this has already been asked: Before using NetworkManager I had my own domain entries in /etc/resolv.conf, but since I use NetworkManager, additional entries in /etc/resolv.conf are only living until the next reboot because NetworkManager seems to re-build /etc/resolv.conf. All advices are welcome. Do you have access to your DHCP server? If so, I'd recommend editing the option domain-name line to include the domains you'd like to search. Otherwise, if this is a hardwired LAN connection, don't use NM, and just modify the ifcfg-eth0 script in /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts. -- Mike Burger http://www.bubbanfriends.org Visit the Dog Pound II BBS telnet://dogpound2.citadel.org or http://dogpound2.citadel.org To be notified of updates to the web site, visit: https://www.bubbanfriends.org/mailman/listinfo/site-update or send a blank email message to: site-update-subscr...@bubbanfriends.org -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: initdefault has no effect
Tom Horsley wrote: On Tue, 7 Apr 2009 06:42:36 -0400 (EDT) Mike Burger wrote: I'm still doing some digging. I thought there was a thread on this very topic in a previous release, but I can't find it (maybe it was in fedora-list rather than fedora-test-list), anyway it is a very old bug I'm surprised is still around. The script in the upstart code that searches /etc/inittab to find the runlevel was not ignoring commented out lines, so whatever line it found first, that's the one it grabbed the runlevel from regardless of the comment prefix. Bugger. This *is* the Fedora list, BTW, rather than the fedora-test list. However, I pop in and out of this list, given the level of traffic and my availability to monitor and try to answer questions (when I *think* that I'm actually capable of answering them), based on workload and travel, so it may be possible that I completely missed that thread, somewhere. Since I never really noticed this in F9...the only F9 systems I had were my laptop and workstation, so I didn't have much reason to customize)...I had no reason to investigate, either. If this is a filed bug, and you happen to have the bugzilla report ID, please forward. I'll also try to dig into it and see if I can find it, too...I'd like to see this one squashed...or, at the very least, verify which script it is and see if I can figure out the logic to fix it. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: initdefault has no effect
Mike Burger wrote: Ed Greshko wrote: Hummm Bad news I had to test this and have in the intttab file # 5 - X11 # 6 - reboot (Do NOT set initdefault to this) # ; id:5:initdefault: id:3:initdefault: And the system still comes up in run level 5. There is probably no comment sign anymore. Upstart just rapidly scans /etc/inittab for the default runlevel and ignores everything else. The only reason the file is still /etc/inittab is for backwards compatibility. So it doesn't use a complete inittab parser, it probably just scans for the first occurrence of id:?:initdefault, completely ignoring any comment signs. While I've not read any upstart documentation to refute your assertion, I do believe that I've commented and uncommented enough since starting with F9 that I am fairly confident that there is, indeed, still the default ; as an inittab comment delimiter. Just don't leave commented lines around. Fair enough, if that is to be the end product...but if you want to test something, and don't want to litter the system with dozens of backup inittab files and the like, commenting a line is quicker than fully editing it in and out. Probably a matter of preference, I would say. Kindly be careful with your attributions The comments concerning upstart were those of Kevin Kofler. Apologies...quite possibly a crop gone awry...your name *was* the one at the top of the quote/requote/rerequote sequence, but I may have not have chopped low down enough in the chain, or it's possible that my Thunderbird installation is not properly set up to properly attribute the most recent quote. Yet the fact remains, ; had no more effect than #. If you don't trust the test that I did, you can do it yourself in order to prove it. My response, in the message above, was not in response to your test, but to Kevin's note about not leaving commented lines around. While I'm looking at this, though, my earlier assertion that # wouldn't work as a comment in inittab, at this level, would appear to be incorrect, as well, given that *all* of the comments at the top of the file start with a #. I'm still doing some digging. At this point, the only other thing I can confirm, after performing Ed's test, and then taking it a step further, is that no amount of commenting seems to matter...the first initdefault line in the inittab is still read to determine the default runlevel. First, I tried it using the method Ed used...comment out the line, and then reinput it with 3 instead of 5, below the commented line. Rebooted, and voila, still in runlevel 5. Next, I moved the commented runlevel 5 line *below* the uncommented runlevel 3 line. Rebooted, and voila, booted up at runlevel 3. All of this bears out both Ed's point that comments don't do anything and my point that upstart's read of the inittab stops on the first match of initdefault. So, the (temporary?) fix for this situation appears to be that if you're going to comment out one runlevel in order to put in another, insert the new initdefault line *above* the commented old initdefault line. On the other hand, this issue may illustrate the need for a bugzilla entry on the issue. Ubuntu (the distro in which I believe upstart to have been started) has done away with the inittab, altogether, in favor of another script in their /etc/events.d (their equivalent of Fedora's /etc/event.d) directory that determines default runlevel. Maybe Fedora needs to consider the same? -- Mike Burger http://www.bubbanfriends.org Visit the Dog Pound II BBS telnet://dogpound2.citadel.org or http://dogpound2.citadel.org To be notified of updates to the web site, visit: https://www.bubbanfriends.org/mailman/listinfo/site-update or send a blank email message to: site-update-subscr...@bubbanfriends.org -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: initdefault has no effect
Mike Burger wrote: Ed Greshko wrote: Hummm Bad news I had to test this and have in the intttab file # 5 - X11 # 6 - reboot (Do NOT set initdefault to this) # ; id:5:initdefault: id:3:initdefault: And the system still comes up in run level 5. There is probably no comment sign anymore. Upstart just rapidly scans /etc/inittab for the default runlevel and ignores everything else. The only reason the file is still /etc/inittab is for backwards compatibility. So it doesn't use a complete inittab parser, it probably just scans for the first occurrence of id:?:initdefault, completely ignoring any comment signs. While I've not read any upstart documentation to refute your assertion, I do believe that I've commented and uncommented enough since starting with F9 that I am fairly confident that there is, indeed, still the default ; as an inittab comment delimiter. Just don't leave commented lines around. Fair enough, if that is to be the end product...but if you want to test something, and don't want to litter the system with dozens of backup inittab files and the like, commenting a line is quicker than fully editing it in and out. Probably a matter of preference, I would say. Kindly be careful with your attributions The comments concerning upstart were those of Kevin Kofler. Apologies...quite possibly a crop gone awry...your name *was* the one at the top of the quote/requote/rerequote sequence, but I may have not have chopped low down enough in the chain, or it's possible that my Thunderbird installation is not properly set up to properly attribute the most recent quote. Yet the fact remains, ; had no more effect than #. If you don't trust the test that I did, you can do it yourself in order to prove it. My response, in the message above, was not in response to your test, but to Kevin's note about not leaving commented lines around. While I'm looking at this, though, my earlier assertion that # wouldn't work as a comment in inittab, at this level, would appear to be incorrect, as well, given that *all* of the comments at the top of the file start with a #. I'm still doing some digging. -- Mike Burger http://www.bubbanfriends.org Visit the Dog Pound II BBS telnet://dogpound2.citadel.org or http://dogpound2.citadel.org To be notified of updates to the web site, visit: https://www.bubbanfriends.org/mailman/listinfo/site-update or send a blank email message to: site-update-subscr...@bubbanfriends.org -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: initdefault has no effect
Mike Burger wrote: Again...within inittab, the # character is not a comment delimiter...the ; character is. Because the # was used, the first default line was matched, therefore processing to determine the default runlevel stopped at the first match...the line with the 5 in it. Subsequent lines, which do not contain initdefault are processed, because they do not match the initdefault parameter that was matched above. Strange - I have always been under the impression that both # and ; work as comment delimiters in inittab. If # is not a comment delimiter, then all the other comment lines that start with # should generate syntax errors. As has been noted, it turns out it's nothing to do with the delimiter being used for commenting, after all, but a scripting logic error that ignores the fact that there's a commenting delimiter in place, at all. -- Mike Burger http://www.bubbanfriends.org Visit the Dog Pound II BBS telnet://dogpound2.citadel.org or http://dogpound2.citadel.org To be notified of updates to the web site, visit: https://www.bubbanfriends.org/mailman/listinfo/site-update or send a blank email message to: site-update-subscr...@bubbanfriends.org -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: initdefault has no effect
Tim wrote: On Sun, 2009-04-05 at 22:42 -0700, Jonathan Ryshpan wrote: I have /etc/inittab set up as follows, but the system always starts with the X Window System running. What am I missing? # id:5:initdefault: id:1:initdefault: I seem to recall seeing that before, delete the commented-out line. In order to comment out a line in inttab, you need to use a semicolon, rather than a pound sign. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: initdefault has no effect
Mike Burger wrote: Tim wrote: On Sun, 2009-04-05 at 22:42 -0700, Jonathan Ryshpan wrote: I have /etc/inittab set up as follows, but the system always starts with the X Window System running. What am I missing? # id:5:initdefault: id:1:initdefault: I seem to recall seeing that before, delete the commented-out line. In order to comment out a line in inttab, you need to use a semicolon, rather than a pound sign. To clarify...the reason that this didn't work, in the first place, is that the initial initdefault line wasn't truly commented out, due to the pound sign instead of the semicolon. After that, the init processing for an entry stops on the first match...since the not properly commented entry was first, it got matched, and runlevel 5 was how the system came up. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: initdefault has no effect
Mike Burger wrote: Mike Burger wrote: Tim wrote: On Sun, 2009-04-05 at 22:42 -0700, Jonathan Ryshpan wrote: I have /etc/inittab set up as follows, but the system always starts with the X Window System running. What am I missing? # id:5:initdefault: id:1:initdefault: I seem to recall seeing that before, delete the commented-out line. In order to comment out a line in inttab, you need to use a semicolon, rather than a pound sign. To clarify...the reason that this didn't work, in the first place, is that the initial initdefault line wasn't truly commented out, due to the pound sign instead of the semicolon. After that, the init processing for an entry stops on the first match...since the not properly commented entry was first, it got matched, and runlevel 5 was how the system came up. I don't quite understand what you are saying You said the init processing for an entry stops on the first match. What is being matched to what? Also, if the # isn't a comment character then how are the other 25 lines in the inittab being parsed? Thanks Again...within inittab, the # character is not a comment delimiter...the ; character is. Because the # was used, the first default line was matched, therefore processing to determine the default runlevel stopped at the first match...the line with the 5 in it. Subsequent lines, which do not contain initdefault are processed, because they do not match the initdefault parameter that was matched above. -- Mike Burger http://www.bubbanfriends.org Visit the Dog Pound II BBS telnet://dogpound2.citadel.org or http://dogpound2.citadel.org To be notified of updates to the web site, visit: https://www.bubbanfriends.org/mailman/listinfo/site-update or send a blank email message to: site-update-subscr...@bubbanfriends.org -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: initdefault has no effect
Ed Greshko wrote: Hummm Bad news I had to test this and have in the intttab file # 5 - X11 # 6 - reboot (Do NOT set initdefault to this) # ; id:5:initdefault: id:3:initdefault: And the system still comes up in run level 5. There is probably no comment sign anymore. Upstart just rapidly scans /etc/inittab for the default runlevel and ignores everything else. The only reason the file is still /etc/inittab is for backwards compatibility. So it doesn't use a complete inittab parser, it probably just scans for the first occurrence of id:?:initdefault, completely ignoring any comment signs. While I've not read any upstart documentation to refute your assertion, I do believe that I've commented and uncommented enough since starting with F9 that I am fairly confident that there is, indeed, still the default ; as an inittab comment delimiter. Just don't leave commented lines around. Fair enough, if that is to be the end product...but if you want to test something, and don't want to litter the system with dozens of backup inittab files and the like, commenting a line is quicker than fully editing it in and out. Probably a matter of preference, I would say. -- Mike Burger http://www.bubbanfriends.org Visit the Dog Pound II BBS telnet://dogpound2.citadel.org or http://dogpound2.citadel.org To be notified of updates to the web site, visit: https://www.bubbanfriends.org/mailman/listinfo/site-update or send a blank email message to: site-update-subscr...@bubbanfriends.org -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: initdefault has no effect
Ed Greshko wrote: Never mind. I see what you are saying after all I forgot for the moment that the original id line was left in the modified file Duh... And, of course, I replied before seeing this. Sorry. -- Mike Burger http://www.bubbanfriends.org Visit the Dog Pound II BBS telnet://dogpound2.citadel.org or http://dogpound2.citadel.org To be notified of updates to the web site, visit: https://www.bubbanfriends.org/mailman/listinfo/site-update or send a blank email message to: site-update-subscr...@bubbanfriends.org -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: initdefault has no effect
Ed Greshko wrote: Ed Greshko wrote: Mike Burger wrote: Mike Burger wrote: Tim wrote: On Sun, 2009-04-05 at 22:42 -0700, Jonathan Ryshpan wrote: I have /etc/inittab set up as follows, but the system always starts with the X Window System running. What am I missing? # id:5:initdefault: id:1:initdefault: I seem to recall seeing that before, delete the commented-out line. In order to comment out a line in inttab, you need to use a semicolon, rather than a pound sign. To clarify...the reason that this didn't work, in the first place, is that the initial initdefault line wasn't truly commented out, due to the pound sign instead of the semicolon. After that, the init processing for an entry stops on the first match...since the not properly commented entry was first, it got matched, and runlevel 5 was how the system came up. I don't quite understand what you are saying You said the init processing for an entry stops on the first match. What is being matched to what? Also, if the # isn't a comment character then how are the other 25 lines in the inittab being parsed? Thanks Never mind. I see what you are saying after all I forgot for the moment that the original id line was left in the modified file Duh... Hummm Bad news I had to test this and have in the intttab file # 5 - X11 # 6 - reboot (Do NOT set initdefault to this) # ; id:5:initdefault: id:3:initdefault: And the system still comes up in run level 5. Interesting. Someone once told me to use two semicolons in inittab, but I've never needed to try that. Might be worth a try. On the other hand, since Upstart doesn't use many of the options that used to be in the inittab, it may be possible that the default runlevel is actually set in an upstart config file, somewhere, now? -- Mike Burger http://www.bubbanfriends.org Visit the Dog Pound II BBS telnet://dogpound2.citadel.org or http://dogpound2.citadel.org To be notified of updates to the web site, visit: https://www.bubbanfriends.org/mailman/listinfo/site-update or send a blank email message to: site-update-subscr...@bubbanfriends.org -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: view more or less?
Hello, just a quick question? I was wanting to look at a file the other day and my colleague insisted I do not use less but view instead. I thought about this but could not think of a good reason to use view over less. I think less is more than more and view is less then more or less than less? Do you agree? I've been a fan of less over more or other pagers for a while. I typically do not use (or recommend that people use) view, as it is, in essence, vi/vim. The potential problem is that, being vi/vim, it opens a temp file in /var/tmp for every file opened within. This can be troublesome if perusing large log files, which may cause the /var filesystem to fill up, and can cause applications or even the system to experience problems. Less does not make use of disk space in this way, thereby having less of a potential impact due to important filesystems filling up. -- Mike Burger http://www.bubbanfriends.org Visit the Dog Pound II BBS telnet://dogpound2.citadel.org or http://dogpound2.citadel.org To be notified of updates to the web site, visit: https://www.bubbanfriends.org/mailman/listinfo/site-update or send a blank email message to: site-update-subscr...@bubbanfriends.org -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: installation problem through yum
On Tuesday 31 March 2009 18:43:45 Rohit Gupta wrote: [r...@satadal Download]# rpm -Uvh fuse-sshfs-2.1-1.fc10.i386.rpm rpmdb: PANIC: fatal region error detected; run recovery cd /var/lib/rpm /usr/lib/rpm/rpmdb_recover Hmm...I ran into the same problem as Rohit...didn't think to run rpmdb_recover...I tried rpm --rebuilddb, which didn't work. Oddly enough, I rebooted the system in question, and yum/rpm worked just fine. I was thinking it might have something to do with libraries not yet in use or some such. -- Mike Burger http://www.bubbanfriends.org Visit the Dog Pound II BBS telnet://dogpound2.citadel.org or http://dogpound2.citadel.org To be notified of updates to the web site, visit: https://www.bubbanfriends.org/mailman/listinfo/site-update or send a blank email message to: site-update-subscr...@bubbanfriends.org -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: OT: Network setup - NAT
On Sun, 2009-03-29 at 15:08 -0500, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote: You will also have to add routes on all the machines. If you have configured ifcfg-eth0 correctly on the laptops, they will already have the routes. I've never had to add routes, just giving my network configurations network masks and a gateway address has always done the trick for me (configured through my DHCP server, these days). Not wanting to sound too picky, but setting a default gateway is, in effect, setting a (default) route. Just saying... -- Mike Burger http://www.bubbanfriends.org Visit the Dog Pound II BBS telnet://dogpound2.citadel.org or http://dogpound2.citadel.org To be notified of updates to the web site, visit: https://www.bubbanfriends.org/mailman/listinfo/site-update or send a blank email message to: site-update-subscr...@bubbanfriends.org -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: RPMs forward compatibility between releases
StanisÅaw T. Findeisen wrote: Is there any problem about using RPMs from newer Fedora releases in older releases? Yes, in general there are problems using rpms from different distros/releases, not recommended. If/when I need to do something like this, I download the src.rpm, instead, and use rpmbuild to build it for the version I'm running. This usually suffices until I am ready to perform a full upgrade. -- Mike Burger http://www.bubbanfriends.org Visit the Dog Pound II BBS telnet://dogpound2.citadel.org or http://dogpound2.citadel.org To be notified of updates to the web site, visit: https://www.bubbanfriends.org/mailman/listinfo/site-update or send a blank email message to: site-update-subscr...@bubbanfriends.org -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Preupgrade F-9/F-10 disaster -
On Sun, 22 Mar 2009 14:15:25 + Frank Murphy (Frankly3D) wrote: What install notes are these? I have nwever heard of this restriction before. That was the answer I was given, when I tries u\g F9-10 with Preupgrade. Was told to do it DvD due to the way F9 anaconda interprets preupgrade. Preupgrade worked fine for me from F9 to F10 on the half-dozen computers that I did it on. With the exception that I had to boot most of them off of the rescue cd to reinstall grub afterward, but that's a minor issue and easily dealt with. Preupgrade worked for me, somewhat...I had to go back and increase my root fliesystem at one point, and after it was done, there were still a number of filesets to update. In addition, there are still quite a number of fc9 RPMs still installed, mostly in the xorg set of programs...drivers that I don't really need, but I really didn't expect to see fc9 in the rpm -qa output. -- Mike Burger http://www.bubbanfriends.org Visit the Dog Pound II BBS telnet://dogpound2.citadel.org or http://dogpound2.citadel.org To be notified of updates to the web site, visit: https://www.bubbanfriends.org/mailman/listinfo/site-update or send a blank email message to: site-update-subscr...@bubbanfriends.org -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Fedora 10 x64 doesn't detect all RAM
Tosh wrote: spmirowski wrote: Hi, I am running a Dell 370 with 4 GB of RAM. Vista 32 SP1 shows that 4 GB is installed in System Properties. The change from 3 GB to 4GB wasn't picked up in Fedora 10 x64. It's a Intel 925X chipset if that helps out. Does anyone know why it might not register 4 GB on a 64 bit OS? free mem total used free shared buffers cached Mem: 3092948 1524736 1568212 0 46608 701228 -/+ buffers/cache: 776900 2316048 Thanks, Stephen bios limitation, nothing to do with linux have had the same problems on many boards try the following : (1) update bios (2) run live linux to check (3) update grub (reinstall if necessary) (4) upgrade to new kernel if these steps do not work, well then it is a hardware issue, nothing to do with the software Additionally, it could have something to do with how much memory was given to on-board video, if on-board video is in use. Otherwise, I'm in agreement...F10 64bit sees all 4GB on my Acer Aspire 5100 laptop. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Request for help on VM
Paul W. Frields wrote: On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 12:51:53PM +0100, Joachim Backes wrote: RAMAKISHOREBABU KOPPULA wrote: G'day all, I have two partitions in my PC. I have installed F10 on one partition and Windows XP on the second partition. Now, can I run the XP as guest OS on F10 using VM? and how? Did you try VirtualBox? VirtualBox isn't part of Fedora, and it's not required to do what the OP's asking about. The virtualization that comes with Fedora works just fine. That being said, and the fact that the OP wasn't specific about which VM system he wanted to use, if a specific one was in mind, VirtualBox works wonderfully, so far, in my limited use, if he's interested in that option. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Fedora 8 system won't upgrade to Fedora 10
Langdon Stevenson wrote: Frank Cox wrote: On Thu, 19 Mar 2009 22:21:39 +1100 Langdon Stevenson wrote: Can anyone suggest how to troubleshoot this issue? Have you considered using preupgrade instead of trying to upgrade from a disk? Thanks for the reply Frank. I tried preupgrade on another F8 system recently and had issues. That was resolved by an upgrade using a DVD. I wanted to avoid that issue with this server if possible. Anyway, I will give preupgrade another try and see where that takes me. Ran into a minor issue with mine, too...I think there was a disk space issue in root that horked me up...I got the preupgrade to run, but now I still have 490 filesets to update. Should be good in a little while. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Virtual Box
Tom Horsley wrote: On Fri, 20 Mar 2009 13:32:23 -0700 Aldo Foot wrote: I think VirtualBox may be preferred because it appears more manageable in the surface. A friend at work who uses it says it is vastly easier to do things like pass USB devices through to the virtual hardware with VirtualBox than with anything else he has tried, so he can do things like use Windows scanner software for scanners not supported by anything in linux. I have to agree...at this point, I simply installed the VirtualBox RPM, ran the setup, started up VirtualBox, and voila!!! -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Fedora 8 system won't upgrade to Fedora 10
On Thu, 19 Mar 2009 22:21:39 +1100 Langdon Stevenson wrote: Can anyone suggest how to troubleshoot this issue? Have you considered using preupgrade instead of trying to upgrade from a disk? While I'm not the original poster, I've not seen an option to download a preupgrade that will take one to F10. I had used preupgrade to go from F8 to F9, but I've not, yet, found one to go from F9 to F10 (or, I may simply be missing something). -- Mike Burger http://www.bubbanfriends.org Visit the Dog Pound II BBS telnet://dogpound2.citadel.org or http://dogpound2.citadel.org To be notified of updates to the web site, visit: https://www.bubbanfriends.org/mailman/listinfo/site-update or send a blank email message to: site-update-subscr...@bubbanfriends.org -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Fedora 8 system won't upgrade to Fedora 10
On Thu, 19 Mar 2009 15:28:26 -0400 (EDT) Mike Burger wrote: While I'm not the original poster, I've not seen an option to download a preupgrade that will take one to F10. I had used preupgrade to go from F8 to F9, but I've not, yet, found one to go from F9 to F10 (or, I may simply be missing something). You're missing something. I used preupgrade from F8 to F9 to F10 on several machines. Son of a gun...you are, of course, dead on correct. If I run preupgrade on my F9 system (the same system I on which I used preupgrade to go from F8 to F9), it presents me with the option to upgrade to F10. I'll go crawl back into my hidey-hole, now. -- Mike Burger http://www.bubbanfriends.org Visit the Dog Pound II BBS telnet://dogpound2.citadel.org or http://dogpound2.citadel.org To be notified of updates to the web site, visit: https://www.bubbanfriends.org/mailman/listinfo/site-update or send a blank email message to: site-update-subscr...@bubbanfriends.org -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Fedora 8 system won't upgrade to Fedora 10
On Thu, 19 Mar 2009 16:13:50 -0400 (EDT) Mike Burger wrote: I'll go crawl back into my hidey-hole, now. You could always upgrade to F10 while you're in there. *tee hee* That is my plan, but since it's X based, and I'm not sitting at my console, I'm not inclined to start the process from remote, then to have to remote desktop to the system from which I started it, to then take back control of the process (way too much WAN traffic back and forth for my taste ;) ). I'll probably kick that off over the weekend. While I'm thinking of it...if I wanted to run pre-upgrade on a headless system that normally runs in runlevel 3, is there not a text based version of the preupgrade interface? -- Mike Burger http://www.bubbanfriends.org Visit the Dog Pound II BBS telnet://dogpound2.citadel.org or http://dogpound2.citadel.org To be notified of updates to the web site, visit: https://www.bubbanfriends.org/mailman/listinfo/site-update or send a blank email message to: site-update-subscr...@bubbanfriends.org -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Fedora 8 system won't upgrade to Fedora 10
On Thu, 19 Mar 2009 16:33:03 -0400 (EDT) Mike Burger wrote: While I'm thinking of it...if I wanted to run pre-upgrade on a headless system that normally runs in runlevel 3, is there not a text based version of the preupgrade interface? /usr/sbin/preupgrade-cli Bugger all...nothing locate preupgrade | grep bin couldn't have told me, eh? -- Mike Burger http://www.bubbanfriends.org Visit the Dog Pound II BBS telnet://dogpound2.citadel.org or http://dogpound2.citadel.org To be notified of updates to the web site, visit: https://www.bubbanfriends.org/mailman/listinfo/site-update or send a blank email message to: site-update-subscr...@bubbanfriends.org -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: BOINC
(as witnessed by them requiring admin priveleges awhile back to run XCDRoast!) I'm not sure why that's the case. I do know that we explicitly do not require root privileges for K3b, as they aren't necessary. (We also disable the check from upstream K3b which warns if wodim is not suid root, it works just fine without it!) Have you tried filing a bug against xcdroast? It's not the case, any more, but I do recall it being an issue in FC3 or FC4, if memory serves. I've not seen it since FC5, and I know it's not the case in F8 or F9 (haven't tried in F10, yet). -- Mike Burger http://www.bubbanfriends.org Visit the Dog Pound II BBS telnet://dogpound2.citadel.org or http://dogpound2.citadel.org To be notified of updates to the web site, visit: https://www.bubbanfriends.org/mailman/listinfo/site-update or send a blank email message to: site-update-subscr...@bubbanfriends.org -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: off-topic ports 1720 and 6000-6009 shown even though they should be filtered
Phill wrote: I know this isn't RHEL support, but I thought I'd ask this question anyways, see if you gurus know what might be going on. I have a rhel 5 web/ftp server. I'm using iptables to filter all ports except 21 and 80. Yet if I do an nmap of the server, this is the output I get. --- PORT STATE SERVICE 21/tcp open ftp 80/tcp open http 1720/tcp open H.323/Q.931 6000/tcp closed X11 6001/tcp closed X11:1 6002/tcp closed X11:2 6003/tcp closed X11:3 6004/tcp closed X11:4 6005/tcp closed X11:5 6006/tcp closed X11:6 6007/tcp closed X11:7 6008/tcp closed X11:8 6009/tcp closed X11:9 6017/tcp closed xmail-ctrl 6050/tcp closed arcserve - Note the listening port 1720, netstat shows no service listening Should be irrelevant since the only traffic I'm accepting is port 21 and port 80, and related established. Shouldn't this output just show me port 21 and port 80 open and nothing else? How is your firewall configured? It appears, from the output, that the firewall (I don't know if you're scanning from inside your network or outside, so it could be iptables on the server or an external firewall) is configured to allow those ports, although the server appears to not be answering on those ports. Making sure that those ports are closed on the firewall, as well, nmap won't actually be able to scan them. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Help
James Perry wrote: hi i've just installed fedora 10 on my computer and every time i boot my computer up it ask localhost login, and then password, i do not rember putting anything in for those fields does any one know why this is happening? James, Linux is, in essence, a Unix type system...it is not, by default, configured to log in a particular user at boot. You *must* log in...if you did not create a regular user during the first boot sequence (a part of the install alluded to in another response), then you'll need to log in as root. If you *did* create a regular user during the first boot sequence, then you should be able to log in as that user. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Importfilter for MS-Works files (*.wps)
Unfortunately, OpenOffice is not always capable of opening up Microsoft Works files. Meng Qiu wrote: Why not install OpenOffice in your F10? Then, you can do anything. On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 6:11 AM, R. G. Newbury newb...@mandamus.org mailto:newb...@mandamus.org wrote: does somebody know how to process MS-Works files (...wps) by OpenOffice or some other tool in F10? I had a client send me a file in this format. I eventually googled something like '.wps to .odt' and found a website which will do a translation. You send the file, they email back in the new format. Sorry, I didn't keep the URL. Geoff -- Please let me know if anything I say offends you. I may wish to offend you again in the future. Tux says: Be regular. Eat cron flakes. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com mailto:fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines -- 南无楞严会上佛菩萨！南无楞严会上佛菩萨！南无楞严会上佛菩萨！ -- Mike Burger http://www.bubbanfriends.org Visit the Dog Pound II BBS telnet://dogpound2.citadel.org or http://dogpound2.citadel.org To be notified of updates to the web site, visit: https://www.bubbanfriends.org/mailman/listinfo/site-update or send a blank email to: site-update-subscr...@bubbanfriends.org -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Showing how to find the net installation images?
Todd Zullinger wrote: Jud Craft wrote: My complaint is that I wish Fedora made it easy to _find it_. None of the posts so far, nor Fedora's website, have actually told me where to find the darn image. I have had to dig through the repositories on my own to find it, something that many people would prefer not to do. Perhaps adding it to http://fedoraproject.org/en/get-fedora-all, after the Live media links? That way, if you went to the main download page and chose Show me all download options in one page you'd find the images. Do you think that would be a good place? I know that one of the goals of the web team is to keep the main download page as clean and uncluttered as possible, so I imagine they would prefer to see it on the get-fedora-all page. Or possibly as a one of the baloon links on the right side, though those are probably best reserved for other things (we talked about putting clearer links to the .iso SHA1SUMS and such in another balloon). Another idea may be to add the netinst.iso and/or boot.iso images to the Torrents lists, as well. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Showing how to find the net installation images?
Jud Craft wrote: No, I mean I know how to do a net installation. Just did one last night. But I wanted to point out that it's very difficult to find the net-installation-only image. That install guide doesn't actually mention where to find the minimal net install image. And for some, there's a huge difference between 128 MB and 800 MB CDs, or 4 GB DVDs. Meng's message told you...use the boot.iso. It's readily available...gives you the option of selecting a network based install, CD, Hard disk, etc...and is only 128MB, as well. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Showing how to find the net installation images?
Jud Craft wrote: Forgive me. You do not understand what I am saying. I know well that the 128MB boot.iso exists -- and in Fedora 10 it is called netinst.iso. My complaint is that I wish Fedora made it easy to _find it_. None of the posts so far, nor Fedora's website, have actually told me where to find the darn image. I have had to dig through the repositories on my own to find it, something that many people would prefer not to do. Meng's message told me how to do a net-install with the default DVD/CD images (not what I wanted), and pointed me to a page of the Installation Guide that tells me Oh, guess what? You can use the minimal boot image install! That's great, installation guide, duh. I want to know where to GET it. Neither chapter 4 nor 6 in the Installation Manual say where to get the minimal/network/boot.iso. I just think either the Guide or the Get Fedora page itself should explicitly mention where to find the network/minimal install image, that's all. I stand somewhat corrected...in the /pub/fedora/linux/releases/10/Fedora/i386/iso directories of the mirrors, id does appear that there is a Fedora-10-i386-netinst.iso. It also appears that there is a similarly named ISO image for the x86_64 series. My apologies for my mistake, there. That being said, it wasn't all that difficult to find...the directory structure, wherein locating ISO images vs. RPMs, etc, hasn't changed in many, many releases...the netinst.iso is in the same directories as all of the other ISO images. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Sound Card Question [quasi off topic]
My onboard sound, Intel HDA (Azalia) works fine. The manual states that it produces both digital HD Audio and legacy AC-97 Audio. It can be switched in the BIOS. I don't have a clue what the difference between analog and digital audio is. Do I need special speakers, if I want to set the sound output to digital HD Audio? Digital audio output is done either via coaxial or optical SP/DIF connection...you'd need to have the connector for either of those outputs installed in the back of your system, and connected to the appropriate pin-outs on your system board. While there are probably digital speakers, you'd normally use these connections to connect to a sound system, much like you'd do with a DVD/BluRay player, or your TV's set top box. -- Mike Burger http://www.bubbanfriends.org Visit the Dog Pound II BBS telnet://dogpound2.citadel.org or http://dogpound2.citadel.org To be notified of updates to the web site, visit: https://www.bubbanfriends.org/mailman/listinfo/site-update or send a blank email message to: site-update-subscr...@bubbanfriends.org -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Disk quotas on INBOXes
Our user e-mail INBOXes are sitting in /var/mail/[user]. Does anyone know of a way for me to institute per-user quota on their INBOXes? See our problem is that while I can apply user-quotas on /home/[user], that doesn't take into account what's on /var/mail/[user] ... and some users are leaving their e-mail sitting in their INBOX because they don't want to eat up their user quota. So, I want to limit the size of their INBOX file as well, through quotas. Possible? You can set quotas on the /var filesystem...though, with logs and other stuff there, I'd be more inclined to make /var/mail (actually /var/spool/mail) its own filesystem, and then set quotas on that. On the other side of that coin, I'm running Postfix instead of Sendmail...Postfix has an option in the /etc/postfix/main.cf file that can be used to control the maximum size of the main inbox, as well as the maximum size of emails that can be accepted/delivered. Those settings are: mailbox_size_limit = and message_size_limit = Hope these suggestions help. -- Mike Burger http://www.bubbanfriends.org Visit the Dog Pound II BBS telnet://dogpound2.citadel.org or http://dogpound2.citadel.org To be notified of updates to the web site, visit: https://www.bubbanfriends.org/mailman/listinfo/site-update or send a blank email message to: site-update-subscr...@bubbanfriends.org -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: How to set up wireless for text mode login
I've got Fedora 10 on my home server with an old wireless B card installed. If I start X and run system-config-network I can successfully bring up the wireless network using Network Manager, so support for my wireless card is already built-in. But as soon as I log off and go back to run level 3 (I boot up in level 3 and start X by hand) it shuts down my wireless connection. I'd like to set this machine up so the wireless network comes up automatically at reboot. I've got the router set up with WPA2 and AES so I need to store the key somewhere. Are there good instructions for doing this somewhere? I believe you can set up wpasupplicant to do this for you. -- Mike Burger http://www.bubbanfriends.org Visit the Dog Pound II BBS telnet://dogpound2.citadel.org or http://dogpound2.citadel.org To be notified of updates to the web site, visit: https://www.bubbanfriends.org/mailman/listinfo/site-update or send a blank email message to: site-update-subscr...@bubbanfriends.org -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Windows XP Fedora on one computer
br /br /02.10.08, 17:32, Paul W. Frields [EMAIL PROTECTED] :br /br /gt; On Thu, Oct 02, 2008 at 05:09:49PM +0400, isad ilexa17 wrote:br /gt; gt; I have the following problem:br /gt; gt; Windows XP is installed on my computer and I want tobr /gt; gt; install Fedora keeping Windows alive (bootable).br /gt; gt; Thanks and sorry for my bad English.br /gt; This is not a difficult problem to solve, fortunately! :-) You simplybr /gt; need to have sufficient free space in the partition itself, or on thebr /gt; hard disk outside that partition. Most people find themselves in thebr /gt; first situation. You may find things work best if you go to yourbr /gt; Control Panel gt; Administration Tools gt; Computer Management gt; Diskbr /gt; Management, and analyze and defragment your partition first. I'mbr /gt; afraid help with Windows is outside this list's topic, but thebr /gt; procedure should be a fairly simple point-and-click operation.br /gt; Once you've done that, during the Fedora installation, you can editbr /gt; the existing Windows XP partition on your disk during the diskbr /gt; partitioning step. Most people choose Custom setup for the diskbr /gt; partitioning to get into the partition editing screen. Click thebr /gt; checkbox to resize the existing Windows partition to leave enoughbr /gt; space for Fedora. Then establish partitions for the Fedorabr /gt; installation. You can find more information about disk partitioningbr /gt; here:br /gt; A href=http://docs.fedoraproject.org/install-guide/f9/en_US/ch-disk-partitioning.html; mce_href=http://docs.fedoraproject.org/install-guide/f9/en_US/ch-disk-partitioning.html; http://docs.fedoraproject.org/install-guide/f9/en_US/ch-disk-partitioning.html/A br /gt; I recommend reading all of Chapter 12, but especially these sections:br /gt; A href=http://docs.fedoraproject.org/install-guide/f9/en_US/sn-partitioning-general.html; mce_href=http://docs.fedoraproject.org/install-guide/f9/en_US/sn-partitioning-general.html; http://docs.fedoraproject.org/install-guide/f9/en_US/sn-partitioning-general.html/Abr /gt; A href=http://docs.fedoraproject.org/install-guide/f9/en_US/sn-partitioning-advice.html; mce_href=http://docs.fedoraproject.org/install-guide/f9/en_US/sn-partitioning-advice.html; http://docs.fedoraproject.org/install-guide/f9/en_US/sn-partitioning-advice.html/Abr /gt; Fedora automatically detects your Windows XP installation and sets upbr /gt; a dual-boot configuration for you. When you boot your computer, youbr /gt; are able to choose between booting Fedora or Windows by interruptingbr /gt; the GRUB boot screen with any key.br /gt; -- br /gt; Paul W. FrieldsA href=http://paul.frields.org/; mce_href=http://paul.frields.org/; http://paul.frields.org//Abr /gt; gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717br /gt; A href=http://redhat.com/; mce_href=http://redhat.com/; http://redhat.com//A - - - - A href=http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/; mce_href=http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/; http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org//Abr /gt; irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug/[EMAIL PROTECTED]br /br /Yeah really thanks but it doesn't work.br / Some OTHER booting option appeared but it doesn't work:(br /When i select it nothing happens. Only the counter sets to 60 seconds again. What I did, instead of relying on Grub or the Windows boot manager, was to install the /boot filesystem and grub onto a USB key and add the USB slot to my bootable device list in my system's BIOS setup. That way, if I want to boot Windows, I just leave the USB key disconnected and boot the system...if I want to boot Fedora, I just plug in the USB key, and boot the system. -- Mike Burger http://www.bubbanfriends.org Visit the Dog Pound II BBS telnet://dogpound2.citadel.org or http://dogpound2.citadel.org To be notified of updates to the web site, visit: https://www.bubbanfriends.org/mailman/listinfo/site-update or send a blank email message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Windows XP Fedora on one computer
Aaron Konstam wrote: On Thu, 2008-10-02 at 10:53 -0400, Mike Burger wrote: That way, if I want to boot Windows, I just leave the USB key disconnected and boot the system...if I want to boot Fedora, I just plug in the USB key, and boot the system. I have ben doing this using grub (and preciously lilo) for at least the last 15 years. Works like a charm. No need for a USB key. Add me to the list that has used that method for years. I have a laptop that dual boots F8 and XP. Once I get some more memory in it, I will probably run XP in VirtualBox. This is actually my plan for my current dual-booting laptop...it currently has Vista installed, with F8 booting from USB, and I'd like to go all Linux with Windows in a VM. -- Mike Burger http://www.bubbanfriends.org Visit the Dog Pound II BBS telnet://dogpound2.citadel.org or http://dogpound2.citadel.org To be notified of updates to the web site, visit: https://www.bubbanfriends.org/mailman/listinfo/site-update or send a blank email message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: What different between FC8 and FC9 ?
Kevin Kofler wrote: edwardspl at ita.org.mo writes: Would you mind to help as the title ? A lot of things. F9 has KDE 4 (currently 4.1.1), F8 has KDE 3 (currently 3.5.10). F9 has X.Org X11R7.4 (server 1.5.0), F8 has something inbetween X11R7.2 and X11R7.3 (server 1.3.0 from X11R7.2). F9 has GNOME 2.22, F8 has GNOME 2.20. F9 has TeXLive, F8 has teTeX. And so on. But most importantly, F8 will stop receiving updates very soon (1 month after the F10 release - with the F10 release scheduled for November, that will be December of this year). Kevin Kofler Dear All, For FC9 ( Modules Profile )... Do you know where is it ( modprobe.conf ) ? In FC8, it is /etc/modprobe.conf... Thanks ! It's in the same place. Without wanting to sound rude, here, I have to ask...why...did you think it would be some place else? -- Mike Burger http://www.bubbanfriends.org Visit the Dog Pound II BBS telnet://dogpound2.citadel.org or http://dogpound2.citadel.org To be notified of updates to the web site, visit: https://www.bubbanfriends.org/mailman/listinfo/site-update or send a blank email message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Fedora x86_64 madwifi / ndiswrapper.
Now I running fedora 9 at 32 bits on a turrion 64 x2 laptop with madwifi working so well from livna. I want to move to 64 bits architecture, but I want to know if madwifi is going to work as well as 32 bits one, or if I have to chenge to ndiswrapper. I hope my words express what I want to ask. Thank's. I have madwifi working on a Turion 64 x2 laptop with an Aetheros 5K chipset under Fedora 8 x86_64. -- Mike Burger http://www.bubbanfriends.org Visit the Dog Pound II BBS telnet://dogpound2.citadel.org or http://dogpound2.citadel.org To be notified of updates to the web site, visit: https://www.bubbanfriends.org/mailman/listinfo/site-update or send a blank email message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: What different between FC8 and FC9 ?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mike Burger wrote: Kevin Kofler wrote: edwardspl at ita.org.mo writes: Hello, I just add an adapter ( PCI NIC ) for the test : /etc/modprobe.d/modprobe.conf alias eth0 8139too ( a new one ) alias eth1 r8169 Then /etc/rc.d/init.d/network restart : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]# /etc/rc.d/init.d/network restart Shutting down interface eth0: [ OK ] Shutting down loopback interface: [ OK ] Bringing up loopback interface: [ OK ] Bringing up interface eth0: [ OK ] Bringing up interface eth1: r8169 device eth1 does not seem to be present, delaying initialization. [FAILED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]# BTW /var/log/messages : kernel : udev: renamed network interface eth0 to eth1 So, is there any solution for these two points problem ? Well, the question is...is your card actually an 8169, or is it an 8139, and did you make a mistake when you edited your modprobe.conf file? -- Mike Burger http://www.bubbanfriends.org Visit the Dog Pound II BBS telnet://dogpound2.citadel.org or http://dogpound2.citadel.org To be notified of updates to the web site, visit: https://www.bubbanfriends.org/mailman/listinfo/site-update or send a blank email message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Fedora 9 support for the XFS file system
PS = Pete Stieber PS I was using a 1 TB LaCie Big Disk PS (http://www.lacie.com/products/product.htm?pid=10923) PS and the board in the drive died. I took the two hard PS drives that were in the drive (SATA 500 GB each Raid 0 PS using the XFS file system) and got them mounted in a PS Fedora 9 x86_64 box. Now I'm having trouble with the PS drives. PS PS Are XFS utilities like PS PS xfs_check PS xfs_repair PS xfsdump PS PS available on Fedora 9? PS PS I tried looking on the Fedora website, but I couldn't PS figure out how to answer this question myself. Any PS pointers? MB = Mike Burger MB Yes...Fedora supports SGI's XFS filesystem. Thanks for the help Mike. Yeah I know it supports it. I got the drives working for a while, but now I need to run fsck on them because something is broken. Sorry I wasn't clear, but what package do I have to load to get fsck.xfs and/or xfs_check, xfs_repair, xfsdump? Sorry...look for xfsprogs. If you built the XFS filesystems at install time, or built them after, the fileset should be installed (mkfs.xfs is part of that package), then you've got the package. -- Mike Burger http://www.bubbanfriends.org Visit the Dog Pound II BBS telnet://dogpound2.citadel.org or http://dogpound2.citadel.org To be notified of updates to the web site, visit: https://www.bubbanfriends.org/mailman/listinfo/site-update or send a blank email message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Fedora 9 support for the XFS file system
Yes...Fedora supports SGI's XFS filesystem. I was using a 1 TB LaCie Big Disk (http://www.lacie.com/products/product.htm?pid=10923) and the board in the drive died. I took the two hard drives that were in the drive (SATA 500 GB each Raid 0 using the XFS file system) and got them mounted in a Fedora 9 x86_64 box. Now I'm having trouble with the drives. Are XFS utilities like xfs_check xfs_repair xfsdump available on Fedora 9? I tried looking on the Fedora website, but I couldn't figure out how to answer this question myself. Any pointers? TIA, Pete -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines -- Mike Burger http://www.bubbanfriends.org Visit the Dog Pound II BBS telnet://dogpound2.citadel.org or http://dogpound2.citadel.org To be notified of updates to the web site, visit: https://www.bubbanfriends.org/mailman/listinfo/site-update or send a blank email message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Fedora makes bad pdf files?
Dear Linux Using Friends: I've run into a trouble that Firefox users who print to file and create pdf output generate files that acroread cannot open. My teaching assistant first discovered this while browsing the web. A variety of pdf created by print to file were viewable in evince, but not acrobat. SInce most students are using acrobat on Windows or Macintosh, this created a problem. In my Ubunutu Linux (Hardy Herron) system, the error message I see when I try to open the file is There was an error processing a page. Error while parsing a Form, Type 3 font, or Pattern. I have not seen the Microsoft Acroboat error with my own eyes, but the students complain it says not a valid pdf file. In one example, the error says Adobe Reader could not open 'file.pdf' because it is either not a supported file type or becausethefile has been damaged (for example, it was sent as an email attachment and wasn't correctly decoded). However, the EXACT same file can be viewed with Evince: http://pj.freefaculty.org/linux/file.pdf I'm posting a copy of a bad pdf file that was created by opening it in acrobat reader, and using save-a-copy: http://pj.freefaculty.org/linux/4145321-corrupt.pdf Sometimes I've had luck converting files pdf to ps and pack to pdf with pdftops and ps2pdf14, but it does not always work. The end result has some of the heading fonts that are legible, but there are just fuzzy blocks where the actual text is supposed to be. I have seen the same problem happen when users open a pdf file in Firefox, which then opens the Acrobat for Linux plugin, and when the save as option is used, it creates an illegible pdf. I'm quite baffled why that happens, because so far as I can tell, the pdf that was saved should not be changed by acrobat reader. If you have any ideas, please let me know. Paul, To my knowledge, Firefox doesn't save/export directly to PDF. When you print to file, you're saving a postscript file, which usually has a .ps extension...you can name it filename.pdf all you like, but naming it with a pdf extension does not make it a PDF. The reason evince reads the file is because evince understands the postscript file format. You will need to run that output file through ps2pdf(14?), first, to actually convert it from postscript to pdf. -- Mike Burger http://www.bubbanfriends.org Visit the Dog Pound II BBS telnet://dogpound2.citadel.org or http://dogpound2.citadel.org To be notified of updates to the web site, visit: https://www.bubbanfriends.org/mailman/listinfo/site-update or send a blank email message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: ath5k won't connect -- sometimes
On Fri, 2008-09-19 at 10:00 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: Yesterday I ran a Live CD of F9 (i386 KDE version) on a Toshiba laptop. I found it could see my Wifi network but somewhat erratically, i.e. the connection would bounce up and down every few minutes. The access point is about 6 feet away so it's not a signal issue (and my phone connects with no problem so the AP is OK as well). I then went ahead and installed F9 on the hard disk, plugged in an Ethernet cable and updated everything via yum. Now the Wifi doesn't work at all. I even installed the latest NetworkManager from updates-testing-newkey but no joy, even after rebooting. All I can see in dmesg is a few lines saying: ath5k_pci :04:00.0: registered as 'phy0' ath5k: pky0: Atheros AR2424 chip found (MAC: 0xaO, PHY: 0x61) ath5k: pky0: noise floor calibration timeout (2422MHz) ath5k: pky0: noise floor calibration timeout (2437MHz) As regards ifconfig, there are a couple of new interfaces: wlan0 and wmaster0, both marked as UP but with no IP addresses. wpa_supplicant is running, dhclient is not. The physical Wifi switch is on and the light is lit. iwlist wlan0 scanning gives no results. Just to add that I do know about Madwifi, the non-free driver available from Livna. I've installed it before on pre-F9 systems and have usually managed to get it working after a fair amount of agony. I was just hoping not to have to go that route with F9 as it is claimed to have Atheros support now. In any case, I suspect the problem isn't in the actual driver itself but in some interaction with NM. Just a side note...unsupported by Red Hat/Fedora does not mean non-free. The MadWifi drivers are, as I recall, open source. -- Mike Burger http://www.bubbanfriends.org Visit the Dog Pound II BBS telnet://dogpound2.citadel.org or http://dogpound2.citadel.org To be notified of updates to the web site, visit: https://www.bubbanfriends.org/mailman/listinfo/site-update or send a blank email message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Booting F9 without X
What is involved in booting f9 without X (ie with just console logins permitted)? Edit your /etc/inittab. Change the id/initdefault line, swapping the 5 for a 3 (runlevel 5 is boot to X, runlevel 3 is boot to text consoles). Save, reboot. -- Mike Burger http://www.bubbanfriends.org Visit the Dog Pound II BBS telnet://dogpound2.citadel.org or http://dogpound2.citadel.org To be notified of updates to the web site, visit: https://www.bubbanfriends.org/mailman/listinfo/site-update or send a blank email message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Booting F9 without X
On Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 09:16:50AM -0400, Mike Burger wrote: What is involved in booting f9 without X (ie with just console logins permitted)? Edit your /etc/inittab. Change the id/initdefault line, swapping the 5 for a 3 (runlevel 5 is boot to X, runlevel 3 is boot to text consoles). Save, reboot. -- Mike Burger http://www.bubbanfriends.org That's easy enough. :-) Thanks. You are quite welcome. -- Mike Burger http://www.bubbanfriends.org Visit the Dog Pound II BBS telnet://dogpound2.citadel.org or http://dogpound2.citadel.org To be notified of updates to the web site, visit: https://www.bubbanfriends.org/mailman/listinfo/site-update or send a blank email message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Removing System Consoles from Fedora
On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 8:58 AM, Mike Burger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 8:28 AM, Mike Burger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 9:40 AM, Mike Burger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mike Burger wrote: What is the point of removing the System Consoles? Other than securing the system's keyboard/console from unintended login attempts? What exactly does this mean? How does one make a login attempt without intending to? Sorry...allow me to be more clear: It would prevent attempts to access the system, at the console, by unauthorized persons who might otherwise have physical access to the box, but were not intended, by the system administrator, to actually have access to login to the system. I'm not saying I agree with it...just that I understand the thinking behind the question. I thought thats what passwords were for? Passwords *can* be cracked/hacked/obtained by unscrupulous individuals. How is that different when logging on to a X session? Do you mean other than having the physical access to the machine, which an X session does not afford you? If I am unscrupulous to have someone's password, and I have physical access to a host, how is removing console sessions going to stop me logging into that host? This is aside from the fact that someone who has physical access to a host can break in very easily without having any passwords. As I said...I don't agree with it...I'm just saying that I understand the thinking behind it. -- Mike Burger http://www.bubbanfriends.org Visit the Dog Pound II BBS telnet://dogpound2.citadel.org or http://dogpound2.citadel.org To be notified of updates to the web site, visit: https://www.bubbanfriends.org/mailman/listinfo/site-update or send a blank email message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Removing System Consoles from Fedora
On Tue, 2008-09-16 at 09:11 -0400, Mike Burger wrote: As I said...I don't agree with it...I'm just saying that I understand the thinking behind it. Sorry, but I think you don't. You might want to read Alan Cox's message on the fedora-test list: https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-test-list/2008-September/msg00314.html which indicates that the motivation is much more to do with cleaning up code and APIs. I fact security isn't mentioned. Now, I'm going to have to go back to the archives, and reread the start of this thread. I thought that the original poster was asking about doing so, not about the developers looking to do so. If I missed something in that, and that was not the original poster's question, then I stand corrected. -- Mike Burger http://www.bubbanfriends.org Visit the Dog Pound II BBS telnet://dogpound2.citadel.org or http://dogpound2.citadel.org To be notified of updates to the web site, visit: https://www.bubbanfriends.org/mailman/listinfo/site-update or send a blank email message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Removing System Consoles from Fedora
Mike Burger wrote: On Tue, 2008-09-16 at 09:11 -0400, Mike Burger wrote: As I said...I don't agree with it...I'm just saying that I understand the thinking behind it. Sorry, but I think you don't. You might want to read Alan Cox's message on the fedora-test list: https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-test-list/2008-September/msg00314.html which indicates that the motivation is much more to do with cleaning up code and APIs. I fact security isn't mentioned. Now, I'm going to have to go back to the archives, and reread the start of this thread. I thought that the original poster was asking about doing so, not about the developers looking to do so. If I missed something in that, and that was not the original poster's question, then I stand corrected. The OP asked the question: What is the point of removing the System Consoles? after referencing: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FWN/Issue143 Quote: At this point Colin Walters set off a firestorm of complaints and queries when he announced[9], as an aside, that [w]e're going to be removing the legacy non-X system consoles by default in the long run. This appears to be related to kernel modesetting, also referenced by this link in the same news letter: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/KernelModesetting Quote: ...makes Fedora feel more like a polished, professional product. More like MS Windows, maybe? In that case, I misread the point of the original post, and stand corrected. I'll stand down, now. -- Mike Burger http://www.bubbanfriends.org Visit the Dog Pound II BBS telnet://dogpound2.citadel.org or http://dogpound2.citadel.org To be notified of updates to the web site, visit: https://www.bubbanfriends.org/mailman/listinfo/site-update or send a blank email message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Firefox 3 in Fedora 8?
John Thompson wrote: Konstantin Svist wrote: Is that being planned at all? Or is F8 only supported in terms of security patches such? I was able to compile FF-3.0.1 for 64-bit Fedora8 using the Fedora9 src.rpm and a little tweaking. If you want to try them: http://www.os2.dhs.org/~john/RPMS/firefox-3.0.1-1.fc8.x86_64.rpm http://www.os2.dhs.org/~john/RPMS/firefox-3.0.1-1.fc8.src.rpm Why use the rpm's at all? Why not just get it from Mozilla? If you want the latest you need to do that anyway. FWIW, it's just as easy to get the SRPM for F9, and rpmbuild it on F8, which is what I've been doing. -- Mike Burger http://www.bubbanfriends.org Visit the Dog Pound II BBS telnet://dogpound2.citadel.org or http://dogpound2.citadel.org To be notified of updates to the web site, visit: https://www.bubbanfriends.org/mailman/listinfo/site-update or send a blank email message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Outlook Exchange Server to Open Source Alternatives?
Have a look at Citadel: http://www.citadel.org Combined with the Bynari connector, you can use MAPI to continue native support for the Outlook client. Hi All, As part of a larger project to move our company away from Microsoft products, I'm investigating options for replacing our enterprise exchange server. We have about 500 mailboxes that would need to ported out as well as public folders and contacts/calendars etc. Can anyone recommend a linux groupware solution that would enable us to provide an Outlook like environment? And allows importing of prior data? Thanks! Mike -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines -- Mike Burger http://www.bubbanfriends.org Visit the Dog Pound II BBS telnet://dogpound2.citadel.org or http://dogpound2.citadel.org To be notified of updates to the web site, visit: https://www.bubbanfriends.org/mailman/listinfo/site-update or send a blank email message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Zimbra or something else
I'm in search of a new groupware application. I am currently using egroupware. It works okay but there is a lot I don't like about it. So, I'm looking for another solution. Zimbra seems to be the 'best of breed'. However, I can not find the source code for it. It had binary packages but only for Fedora 7 (of course I'm on 9)... So the question is, what does everyone else use? Here are some that I've heard of: http://www.phpgroupware.org/ http://www.open-xchange.com/ http://www.kolab.org/ http://www.citadel.org/doku.php I'm actually involved in the Citadel project. Very active development team, and generally pretty solid suuport. Pretty solid product, with a lot of functionality already existing, and more planned. Compatible, through Funambol, with mobile devices. Compatible with sync-kolab. Compatible, using the Bynari connector, with Outlook (MAPI). Highly recommended. -- Mike Burger http://www.bubbanfriends.org Visit the Dog Pound II BBS telnet://dogpound2.citadel.org or http://dogpound2.citadel.org To be notified of updates to the web site, visit: https://www.bubbanfriends.org/mailman/listinfo/site-update or send a blank email message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: kpalmdoc - convert PalmDOC to Text
I'm sure that I'm doing something wrong here but I just can't see it. I have a number of pdb files that I want to convert to text. It seems that the simplest solution is kpalmdoc (part of kdepim). So... I crank up kpalmdoc and find two file selection boxes: Text file: and DOC file:. If I select the palmdoc file in the DOC file box and leave the Text file: box empty, then click on Convert PalmDOC to Text, I get this message: The text file /home already exists. Overwrite it? Er, no, let's not overwrite that. If I select a directory name under Text file: it tells me that The text file /directory/I/selected already exists. Overwrite it? In order to convert an individual file to a text file I have to create a dummy text file first, then select that and tell the program to overwrite it. It gets worse if I select Convert whole folders. Then I get two selection boxes, Text folder: and Palmdoc folder. No matter what I selections I make in those boxes, I always get the message No text files were converted correctly when I click on Convert PalmDOC to Text. So, what am I doing wrong here? I can do this job by creating a dummy file for each of the pdb files that I want to convert, then individually selecting each file and telling it to overwrite the dummy file but that's obviously not the right way to do it. On a related note, can this conversion be done from the command line instead of having to go through the gui? As I recall, pdb files are Palm database files (contacts, memos, etc), not doc files. I could be wrong, but my experience tells me otherwise. -- Mike Burger http://www.bubbanfriends.org Visit the Dog Pound II BBS telnet://dogpound2.citadel.org or http://dogpound2.citadel.org To be notified of updates to the web site, visit: https://www.bubbanfriends.org/mailman/listinfo/site-update or send a blank email message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Fedora wireless
Hello, I have Amilo A1650G laptop. I can't use my wireless card (Atheros AR5005G) even now (in F9), because set mode not works, commit not works much more iwconfig commands. So before ~2 months I buyed new USB Wireless card (Buffalo WLI-U2-KG125S). Everything was fine until today. Today morning ~12h (GMT +2) I did F9 update and restarted pc. After that I can't use my Wireless card. If I do Ad-hoc mode, then I can set essid but if someone tries to reach me - shows that I'm using key/enc (I can't turn on, only turn off, but nothing happens). If I do Managed mode, then I CAN'T set essid (Writes: Essid: Off/Any). I searched for info, tried everything, but nothing helped me. So how to turn on essid if iwconfig wlan0 essid on do nothing? I think you'll want to install/use the madwifi drivers. They work for me on my Acer Aspire 5100 with an Atheros wireless chipset. -- Mike Burger http://www.bubbanfriends.org Visit the Dog Pound II BBS telnet://dogpound2.citadel.org or http://dogpound2.citadel.org To be notified of updates to the web site, visit: https://www.bubbanfriends.org/mailman/listinfo/site-update or send a blank email message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: F9: List of packages that has missing geko-libs v1.9
Craig White wrote: -- Finished Dependency Resolution gxine-0.5.11-17.fc9.i386 from installed has depsolving problems -- Missing Dependency: gecko-libs = 1.9 is needed by package gxine-0.5.11-17.fc9.i386 (installed) Error: Missing Dependency: gecko-libs = 1.9 is needed by package gxine-0.5.11-17.fc9.i386 (installed) From that output, I'm inclined to suggest that gxone is still broken? I do not have that package installed on my system Trying to install it tries to bring in a whole bunch of obsolete i386 stuff. Has a bug been filed against it yet? That was my conclusion, as well. I was seeing the same issue gecko-libs. I removed gxine and the system updated. I'll check, every so often, to see if a fixed gxine comes out...I suggest he do the same. It's odd...never before have I run a Fedora release that had so many broken dependencies from update to update...and I've run all of them except for F7. -- Mike Burger http://www.bubbanfriends.org Visit the Dog Pound II BBS telnet://dogpound2.citadel.org or http://dogpound2.citadel.org To be notified of updates to the web site, visit: https://www.bubbanfriends.org/mailman/listinfo/site-update or send a blank email message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: How is one supposed to use the KDE4 desktop ?
On Friday 18 July 2008 17:11:43 Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: 4) Why does my desktop always start up as 1024x768 when I have a landscape LCD? ?? 1024x768 is landscape, isn't it? He probably meant widescreen. However, to answer the question, no...not really. 1024x768 is a standard resolution for a 4:3 style monitor up to a particular size (14 and 15 monitors come to mind). You remember: 640x480 800x600 1024x768 1280x1024 (most 17 screens) 1600x1200 (19/20) -- Mike Burger http://www.bubbanfriends.org Visit the Dog Pound II BBS telnet://dogpound2.citadel.org or http://dogpound2.citadel.org To be notified of updates to the web site, visit: https://www.bubbanfriends.org/mailman/listinfo/site-update or send a blank email message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: How is one supposed to use the KDE4 desktop ?
2008/7/18 linuxguy [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I upgraded to F9 when it first came out. Everything works, but my desktop is a mess. But surely I am missing something, after all, why are the KDE developers so proud of their work ? So... how is one supposed to use the KDE4 desktop ? Right now I have about 100 icons for folders and files randomly dispersed on the desktop. How do I clean them up and get my desktop organized again ? I hate that I can't drag and drop files into folders on the desktop. Is there a way to do this without using Dolphin ? I hate the collars that appear around the file and folder icons. Can they be turned off ? Thanks I use KDE 4 daily on both of my computers, as the primary desktop environment. I don't like the new desktop icons either, but I just turned them off. The ability to manage files on the desktop background is far from necessary, imo. In addition, there is greatly improved support for desktop icons coming in KDE 4.1, so this is just a temporary solution until the better one is ready. Currently, I'm only running F9/KDE4 on one system (desktop...not upgrading my laptop until I have a chance to try out KDE4.1 on my desktop). I don't put much on my desktop...I use the Favorites section of the menu. I've never been a big fan of cluttering my desktop, anyhow...too difficult to remember what's there, and where it is. My one concern, now that I've been using it a while, is the limited functionality of the Plasma widget tool in the upper left corner. I've read a number of write-ups on KDE4, and note that there a couple of things not set up to run from that widget...right now, it only allows you to add/remove widgets from various places. My understanding is that you should be able to work with a number of settings, from the Cashew, than we seem to be able to do, now. Another thing I miss, going from KDE3 to KDE4, is that KDE3 would save the state of my desktop, so that any apps/konsoles I had up when I logged out would be brought back up when I logged back in. I'm having some trouble locating a setting for that, right now. -- Mike Burger http://www.bubbanfriends.org Visit the Dog Pound II BBS telnet://dogpound2.citadel.org or http://dogpound2.citadel.org To be notified of updates to the web site, visit: https://www.bubbanfriends.org/mailman/listinfo/site-update or send a blank email message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: major problem after enabling desktop effects (F9)...
On Wednesday 16 July 2008 22:35:47 Mike Burger wrote: I do not know if I have the package, xorg-x11-drv-i810-2.3.2-2.fc9.i386, installed, and I do not know how to check? I would go to system settings but as I said all I have is a mouse pointer and a black screen after the splash screen goes away. I'm not sure that it's the i810 package specifically. I have it installed on my system, as well, but have an nVidia card with no special drivers, other than the ones installed by Fedora. I did, however, get exactly the same problem with the black screen and no real feedback, other than the moving mouse, after recent updates. Unfortunately, one can not uninstall the i810 driver, on its own, unless one uses --nodeps or, possibly, --force, which might wind up breaking the xorg-x11-drivers package. Something in that group of updates corrupted a kde file, and the worrying thing is that no-one has any idea which update, or what actually happened. However, the good news is that once you have everything back as you want it, it doesn't recur. Whatever the problem is, it must be something actually occurring during the update. Therein lies the rub. -- Mike Burger http://www.bubbanfriends.org Visit the Dog Pound II BBS telnet://dogpound2.citadel.org or http://dogpound2.citadel.org To be notified of updates to the web site, visit: https://www.bubbanfriends.org/mailman/listinfo/site-update or send a blank email message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: major problem after enabling desktop effects (F9)...
Ditto. However, just about a week ago a routine update installed xorg-x11-drv-i810-2.3.2-2.fc9.i386. This is the package that is suspected of being the cause of the problem. Do you have that one? Desktop effects - try System Settings Desktop and uncheck 'Enable desktop effects'. These are not compiz-type effects, but things you can easily live without until things get fixed. HTH Anne -- I do not know if I have the package, xorg-x11-drv-i810-2.3.2-2.fc9.i386, installed, and I do not know how to check? I would go to system settings but as I said all I have is a mouse pointer and a black screen after the splash screen goes away. I'm not sure that it's the i810 package specifically. I have it installed on my system, as well, but have an nVidia card with no special drivers, other than the ones installed by Fedora. I did, however, get exactly the same problem with the black screen and no real feedback, other than the moving mouse, after recent updates. Unfortunately, one can not uninstall the i810 driver, on its own, unless one uses --nodeps or, possibly, --force, which might wind up breaking the xorg-x11-drivers package. -- Mike Burger http://www.bubbanfriends.org Visit the Dog Pound II BBS telnet://dogpound2.citadel.org or http://dogpound2.citadel.org To be notified of updates to the web site, visit: https://www.bubbanfriends.org/mailman/listinfo/site-update or send a blank email message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Clicking on URL in konsole
When I hover over an URL in konsole (or some program like vim running in a konsole window) the URL is highlighted (underlined) but clicking on it has no effect. Is there some way of enabling such a click to bring up the URL in my browser (Firefox)? You can right click on that URL, and select copy link address There was a thread about making Firefox the default web browser through the KDE menu...if you can make that work, then you could right click on the URL and then click Open Link. -- Mike Burger http://www.bubbanfriends.org Visit the Dog Pound II BBS telnet://dogpound2.citadel.org or http://dogpound2.citadel.org To be notified of updates to the web site, visit: https://www.bubbanfriends.org/mailman/listinfo/site-update or send a blank email message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: F9 Mount iso at boot up
On Fri, 2008-07-11 at 08:33 -0400, Mike Burger wrote: Is there a method to mount an iso at boot time, for access to contents (no cd\dvd drives) You can just add a line to /etc/fstab: /path/to/iso.image /mount/pointautoloop 1 2 Works for me. Getting a permission denied on that. tried as both user and root owning the various isos and mounts Getting a permission denied on what? Editing the /etc/fstab file? Running mount /mount/point afterwards? -- Mike Burger http://www.bubbanfriends.org Visit the Dog Pound II BBS telnet://dogpound2.citadel.org or http://dogpound2.citadel.org To be notified of updates to the web site, visit: https://www.bubbanfriends.org/mailman/listinfo/site-update or send a blank email message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: F9 Mount iso at boot up
On Fri, 2008-07-11 at 10:38 -0400, Mike Burger wrote: Getting a permission denied on that. tried as both user and root owning the various isos and mounts Getting a permission denied on what? Editing the /etc/fstab file? Running mount /mount/point afterwards? During boot-up (rhgb is disable to see what happening) just after the udev -interactive bit is shown sudo mount -a works fine after login Actually, that makes a bit of sense. Depending on where in the fstab (should be at the bottom, as the filesystem containing the iso has to be online), it could work. I guess the next option would be to add noauto with defaults, and then add mount /mount/point to /etc/rc.local, so you don't have to manually run the mount command, later. -- Mike Burger http://www.bubbanfriends.org Visit the Dog Pound II BBS telnet://dogpound2.citadel.org or http://dogpound2.citadel.org To be notified of updates to the web site, visit: https://www.bubbanfriends.org/mailman/listinfo/site-update or send a blank email message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: firefox plugins and mpeg and wmv support
just yesterday, i tried to make a convert of a friend by installing fedora 9 on the spare disk on her system, and she quickly learned about the notion of non-free software when she tried to view online mpg and wmv files, at which point i explained the notion of the GPL, etc, etc. we got to the concept of mozilla plugins for firefox, whereupon we took a quick look under about:plugins and she pointed out that, as far as the output of that page was concerned, there was this thing called mozplugger which could handle various formats including video/mpeg, and there was an installed WMP plugin that could handle wmv files, and they were both enabled, and she said, just from what i can see here, this is supposed to be the list of installed plugins, and it sure looks like those plugins are there and enabled, so why don't they work so i can play mpeg and wmv files? to which, because i don't have as much familiarity with multimedia under fedora as i'd like, i had to admit that i didn't know. i hadn't installed any non-free media packages yet, so i really don't know what it means to look at about:plugins and be told that there are plugins that handle those formats, and they're enabled. thoughts? i really do need to read up on all the multimedia stuff. I've got VLC running on my F9 system. The three VLC components, in my case, are vlc-core, mozilla-vlc and vlc (all installed from the Livna repo). In addition, I believe I had to do a little research for the appropriate codecs, but once installed, I'm able to play just about everything via Firefox. -- Mike Burger http://www.bubbanfriends.org Visit the Dog Pound II BBS telnet://dogpound2.citadel.org or http://dogpound2.citadel.org To be notified of updates to the web site, visit: https://www.bubbanfriends.org/mailman/listinfo/site-update or send a blank email message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Wireless WPA-AES
It is a bug in wpa_supplicant , see this Bugzilla Bug 453390: wifi problems with kernel 2.6.25.9-74 https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=453390 . Use the previous kernel, until kernel-2.6.25.9-81.fc9 rolls out . Is this also a problem using kernel 2.6.25.9-76 (which is the latest kernel that was installed on my system)? -- Mike Burger http://www.bubbanfriends.org Visit the Dog Pound II BBS telnet://dogpound2.citadel.org or http://dogpound2.citadel.org To be notified of updates to the web site, visit: https://www.bubbanfriends.org/mailman/listinfo/site-update or send a blank email message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Firefox extension equivalent to Unplug
On Wed, Jul 9, 2008 at 6:39 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Could you please suggest to me a Firefox extension equivalent to Unplug: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/2254 The extension Unplug does not work with Firefox 3.0, unfortunately. https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/search?q=downloadhelpercat=all Thanks, Patrick, but not very useful. Any further ideas? I'm not sure I understand. The first plugin listed on that link is VideoDownload Helper...isn't that exactly what you're looking for? Something to download the videos, instead of playing them inline? -- Mike Burger http://www.bubbanfriends.org Visit the Dog Pound II BBS telnet://dogpound2.citadel.org or http://dogpound2.citadel.org To be notified of updates to the web site, visit: https://www.bubbanfriends.org/mailman/listinfo/site-update or send a blank email message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: How do I keep Fedora 9 from automounting all of my hard drive partitions?
On 7/8/08, Dan Hensley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am using /dev/sda as my primary hard drive. I have another hard drive, /dev/sdb that I use as a backup. When I log in to a Gnome desktop (haven't tried anything else yet), all of my /dev/sdb partitions are auto-mounted. How do I keep this from happening? They don't appear in /etc/fstab, and they aren't mounted if I boot into runlevel 3 for example. I cannot find any settings anywhere to control this, and I don't know exactly what process is responsible. Open /etc/fstab, you will see your hard drives and an option called (defaults) beside each one. replace it with (noauto) for the hard you don't want to automount. you may want to look at this: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=283131 Dan already noted that his /dev/sdb* partitions are not listed in his /etc/fstab file. -- Mike Burger http://www.bubbanfriends.org Visit the Dog Pound II BBS telnet://dogpound2.citadel.org or http://dogpound2.citadel.org To be notified of updates to the web site, visit: https://www.bubbanfriends.org/mailman/listinfo/site-update or send a blank email message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: F9 Cron job symbols in report - how to find cure\font?
[ Rootkit Hunter version 1.3.2 ] [1;33mChecking rkhunter data files...[0;39m Checking file mirrors.dat[34C[ [1;32mNo update[0;39m ] Checking file programs_bad.dat[29C[ [1;32mNo update[0;39m ] Checking file backdoorports.dat[28C[ [1;32mNo update[0;39m ] Checking file suspscan.dat[33C[ [1;32mNo update[0;39m ] Checking file i18n/cn[38C[ [1;32mNo update[0;39m ] Checking file i18n/en[38C[ [1;32mNo update[0;39m ] Checking file i18n/zh[38C[ [1;32mNo update[0;39m ] Checking file i18n/zh.utf8[33C[ [1;32mNo update[0;39m ] This is a rootkit hunter output issue. As I recall, there's a command line parameter that should be called when running this as a cron job, and my experience was that it did not try to print in color (that's what those control codes are...ANSI color codes), but I don't recall the option, at this point. -- Mike Burger http://www.bubbanfriends.org Visit the Dog Pound II BBS telnet://dogpound2.citadel.org or http://dogpound2.citadel.org To be notified of updates to the web site, visit: https://www.bubbanfriends.org/mailman/listinfo/site-update or send a blank email message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Latest updates break graphic start of Fedora
On Saturday 05 July 2008 16:06:32 Antonio M wrote: So are you saying that you tried the existing alternative kernel, offered in grub, but that no longer worked? That would be very peculiar indeed. OK - I've read your bug report. I don't believe that there is any way that installing a new kernel would break the existing ones. You almost certainly have something else going on. You may well have to wait to see whether anyone else identifies the problem. FWIW, 2.6.25.9-76.fc9.i686 is one of the kernels you mention, and it certainly works on my Fedora box. Anne: Please see some of my contribution to this thread. I'm having a similar issue to Antonio's...I've got a fully updated F9 install, and I noted that as of a couple of kernel releases ago, my workstation, which boots to runlevel 5, does not actually appear to start up the X desktop either. Instead, it switches to TTY7 with a blank screen and blinking cursor. What I need to do, to get around this, is ALT-F1, log in, init 3 and then init 5 in order to get the system to actually bring up the X login screen. -- Mike Burger http://www.bubbanfriends.org Visit the Dog Pound II BBS telnet://dogpound2.citadel.org or http://dogpound2.citadel.org To be notified of updates to the web site, visit: https://www.bubbanfriends.org/mailman/listinfo/site-update or send a blank email message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Latest updates break graphic start of Fedora
2008/7/7 Mike Burger [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Please see some of my contribution to this thread. I'm having a similar issue to Antonio's...I've got a fully updated F9 install, and I noted that as of a couple of kernel releases ago, my workstation, which boots to runlevel 5, does not actually appear to start up the X desktop either. Instead, it switches to TTY7 with a blank screen and blinking cursor. What I need to do, to get around this, is ALT-F1, log in, init 3 and then init 5 in order to get the system to actually bring up the X login screen. Mike, have you read my final report saying that I have eventually solved the problem??? It was a graphic driver from test-updates that was causing the problem: now I have gone back to a fully F9 system and evrrything is o.k. For my info, which graphic card do you use??? I did see that, yes. I'm not using any test drivers, that I'm aware of. My video card is an Nvidia GeForce2 MX/MX 400. For what it's worth, I'm (finally) looking at my my Xorg.0.log and Xorg.0.log.old. Xorg.0.log.old ends with: (II) Loader running on linux (++) using VT number 7 Fatal server error: xf86OpenConsole: VT_WAITACTIVE failed: Interrupted system call While Xorg.0.log, which is created one minute later (after running init 3 ; init 5) runs successful. Might be some sort of timing issue...but I can't imagine what might be causing such a time-out. -- Mike Burger http://www.bubbanfriends.org Visit the Dog Pound II BBS telnet://dogpound2.citadel.org or http://dogpound2.citadel.org To be notified of updates to the web site, visit: https://www.bubbanfriends.org/mailman/listinfo/site-update or send a blank email message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Latest updates break graphic start of Fedora
what is the graphic driver??? I am using a Nvidia card at home with nv driver from Fedora and I have no problem at all: are you using the driver from Nvidia??? ot nouveau??? xorg-x11-drv-nv-2.1.8-1.fc9.i386 -- Mike Burger http://www.bubbanfriends.org Visit the Dog Pound II BBS telnet://dogpound2.citadel.org or http://dogpound2.citadel.org To be notified of updates to the web site, visit: https://www.bubbanfriends.org/mailman/listinfo/site-update or send a blank email message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
