Re: Installing F12-Beta
On Mon, 2009-11-02 at 09:16 +0100, Michal Schmidt wrote: OK, thanks for the link. I put a reply there. Bugzilla is a better place to discuss specific bugs than fedora-devel-list. Thank you for testing the Beta release. Michal Ok and thanks a lot signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Installing F12-Beta
I have already submitted a bug report for this but it seems no one is looking into it. This is the problem. I have a 2.53 celeron with 1gb of Ram nvidia 5500 graphics card. When I put in the DVD (Install or Live) it starts but then I get a recursive error saying that it fixed but needs a restart. Of course when I restart the problem still persists. Please tell what you need to point in the right direction to fix this very serious issue. Thanks Steven signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: Installing F12-Beta
I did check and I used the same DVD to install on to a flash drive through my laptop. That drive boots on most other computers but not the Celeron PC. Steven On Mon, 2009-11-02 at 08:40 +0800, Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) wrote: Hi, When I put in the DVD (Install or Live) it starts but then I get a recursive error saying that it fixed but needs a restart. Of course when I restart the problem still persists. Please tell what you need to point in the right direction to fix this very serious issue. Just to be sure, you did verify the ISO before burning it (with the SHA1SUM) and when booting it ? -- Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: Installing F12-Beta
David why you are so upset? No need to get nasty. I simply posted a message about my problems installing F12. I did not Hijack any thread (see the subject name). I thought this was a public forum. I sent this to the whole mailing list. My apologies if I offended you. All I can tell you is what happened. Which is I put the DVD in the drive and after a while it came up with a recursive error and said it was fixed but needed to restart the computer. I.E 1. The kernel failed to load 2. Anaconda did not start. The same DVD was used to install F12 Beta on a flash drive. So the DVD is fine. As I said I have posted a bug report at bugzilla (https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=531156) but no reply. I just thought you guys would be interested in a very serious problem that I am having. So I willing to put the effort to help whoever, if you point me in the right direction. Steven On Mon, 2009-11-02 at 07:21 +, David Woodhouse wrote: On Mon, 2009-11-02 at 08:29 +0800, Steven James Drinnan wrote: In-reply-to: 1257111085.2314.154.ca...@adam.local.net References: adf480660910311031h5889985by4fb8d4ac7f342...@mail.gmail.com 1257111085.2314.154.ca...@adam.local.net Steven, please could you explain the relationship between your message on 'Installing F12-Beta' and the message to which you replied, which was about upstream developers becoming co-maintainers. If there is no relationship, then you've just hijacked an existing thread by posting your unrelated query as a reply to it -- please don't do that. You may also find that you'll get more help if you provide a more coherent bug report. You neglected to give any useful details about the error you see. Giving the full error message might have helped. Or even telling us at which stage of the boot it happens might have given a clue. I'd look in the bug you filed to see if you provided that information there... but you didn't even bother to tell us the bug number. My crystal ball isn't working today, so I _couldn't_ help you, even if I _didn't_ have a policy of not helping thread-hijackers until they post their problem politely ;) signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: Who do I send to get a package removed because of bad language.
On Mon, 2009-10-19 at 12:30 +0200, Josephine Tannhäuser wrote: 2009/10/16 Steven James Drinnan ste...@scc.hk I recently installed gestikk. And to my horror one of the dialogs said. (Check Box) F*** off No lie, So how does one recommend that this be removed. Steven -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list the word fuck is in many sourcecodes. Mostly as comment. Do you think, that we should remove these comments too? Short answer yes, should we as programmers need to use such language. Btw. It's harder to see the word fuck in some spec-files! -- Josephine Fine Tannhäuser 2.6.29.6-213.fc11.i586 -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: Who do I send to get a package removed because of bad language.
Wow this has really hit sore point, It just goes to show that there pro and cons on both sides. Like or not people want the ability to filter content that that deem unfit. Thats why I asked about it in the first place the concern was simple, I have young children and I installed a screamingly innocent package. That had foul language. Some of may not be too concerned but it does put Fedora's rep in question. A user/parent/employer should be able to restrict what content is allowed or not allowed. And what is the best way to accomplish this. Well any ideas, for me Package Kit would be the way to go. Then users could add the packages or groups to the exclude list. Maybe an extra password (optional) for parents / supervisors. Or like was mentioned a way to create a YUM exclude list. Stop this bickering lets try and solve an issue. Steven On Mon, 2009-10-19 at 11:47 +1000, Eric Springer wrote: On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 10:39 AM, Ismael Olea ism...@olea.org wrote: My 0.02€ More like your troll-cents. Despite the absurdity (of this whole thing, in fact) I've added a category and included it. And people can make up their own minds. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: Who do I send to get a package removed because of bad language.
On Mon, 2009-10-19 at 09:35 +1000, Eric Springer wrote: On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 2:58 PM, Steven James Drinnan ste...@scc.hk wrote: I recently installed gestikk. And to my horror one of the dialogs said. Not sure if it's the best road to take, how ever I've created a page in the wiki (that can be edited mercilessly or deleted if you think it'll just attract attention): https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Offensive_Packages A good start, yes I agree that fedora is about freedom and choice. For me this seems a good option ( having an exclude function for offensive packages). Making this part of package kit would be good. Almost like a parental control system for software. I do think as distributor it is good to be family friendly as possible. Maybe this could be added as a feature in future releases - there may not be many packages that need to be added but it would give a big group of users some peace of mind. Steven Drinnan signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: Who do I send to get a package removed because of bad language.
I will file a ticket. But my point was the image of Fedora.Does Fedora want be associated with software vendors that use this type of language? Steven On Fri, 2009-10-16 at 07:31 +0200, Haïkel Guémar wrote: Le 16/10/2009 06:58, Steven James Drinnan a écrit : I recently installed gestikk. And to my horror one of the dialogs said. (Check Box) F*** off No lie, So how does one recommend that this be removed. Steven File a ticket upstream. The string itself is in the .glade file, since it's a translatable string, removing it brutally would not be wise. Anyway, it seems to entertain most gestikk users. :) H. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: Who do I send to get a package removed because of bad language.
I will file a ticket. But my point was the image of Fedora.Does Fedora want be associated with software vendors that use this type of language? Steven On Fri, 2009-10-16 at 07:31 +0200, Haïkel Guémar wrote: Le 16/10/2009 06:58, Steven James Drinnan a écrit : I recently installed gestikk. And to my horror one of the dialogs said. (Check Box) F*** off No lie, So how does one recommend that this be removed. Steven File a ticket upstream. The string itself is in the .glade file, since it's a translatable string, removing it brutally would not be wise. Anyway, it seems to entertain most gestikk users. :) H. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Who do I send to get a package removed because of bad language.
I recently installed gestikk. And to my horror one of the dialogs said. (Check Box) F*** off No lie, So how does one recommend that this be removed. Steven signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: yum-presto plugin by default
I would hold off on the default thing. I have found that it has played havoc with intel video drivers and NetworkManager. I do not know how but for me it was a pain in the neck. All I know is that after I re-installed and upgraded I have had no problems -1 to installing it by default in F12. Steven On Tue, 2009-08-18 at 22:40 +0100, Christopher Brown wrote: 2009/8/18 Chuck Anderson c...@wpi.edu: On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 01:35:37AM +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: On 07/26/2009 06:40 AM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: Hi, Can we make it a default in comps for Rawhide? Rahul No answer here after weeks. After some lengthy discussion with rel-eng team in irc, not much care either way. Talked to desktop team and based on their recommendation, I have added yum-presto to the GNOME Desktop group by default. If rel-eng wants to add it a base group for the DVD image, feel free to do so. Spin owners - likewise. Thanks. I've been using yum-presto since before F11 came out, and it is great. +1 to installing it by default in F12. FWIW, I have also experienced zero problems with it and believe it would be better enabled by default, retaining the option to disable. Updates would get done faster and mirrors would be able to cope with more connections, especially in the first push after release day... :) -- Christopher Brown -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: [Fedora-marketing-list] Fedora usability : a new project?
On Tue, 2006-08-08 at 14:53 +0200, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: Le Mar 8 août 2006 13:14, Paul W. Frields a écrit : We have a great product. That needs promoting and user feed back. The first is what Marketing is for. The second is what Bugzilla is for. I strongly disagree. 1. The weight of a Fedora bugzilla report is pretty low, 2. A lot of Fedora packagers consider it's not their job to push user reports upstream. 3. Using upstream bugzilla is asking to be ignored - any feature evolution (and usability fixes are always considered feature evolutions) will be discussed in mailing lists/irc channels by developpers between themselves. Not in the bugzilla where the reporter can follow the discussion. Then when the user complains after a few months he'll be informed the decision was taken somewhere else without leaving him any opportunity to make his case or asking seriously fo his input. (and you and I know old bugzilla bugs will be ignored forever, since if they were important, someone would have acted on them before) Which means any problematic interaction between app A, B and C (typical usability problem) requires users: 1. to be able to locate the A, B, C forums where usability is discussed 2. to join them, learn the mood and discussion conventions 3. to convince A, B, C to work together (with zero credentials just basic user report), probably at an inconvenient date for upstream ie requires a *lot* of time, communication skills, mastery of technical english, etc Practically that means that without any group support a user report will go nowhere. Even if he found a perfectly valid problem. Distributions which create usability SIGs are able to influence upstream evolution the way their users need. They help formalise user reports in clean technical english. They are able to gather data and numbers that can not be waved away like an individual user-level report often is if upstream deems it inconvenient. Distributions which don't are only represented by their developpers, who are supposed to represent distro users but in practice only push their personal agenda (which may be good or bad but has often little in common with the wishes of users) No usability group gave us most of the UI gems of early GNOME 2, and an awful lot of the bad reputation GNOME and Fedora still suffer from (GNOME is not Fedora but Fedora/Red Hat people were certainly major players in the decision making process then). Till Fedora developpers/maintainers consider usability problems bugs (to be fixed) and not enhancements (to be ignored at will), someone else needs to mediate between Fedora users and all the upstreams Fedora distributes. Lastly this kind of group is a major generator of user goodwill - let the users engage upstream alone leads to the kind of Fedora-bashing articles we've seen lately. Regards, My thoughts exactly, bugzilla is great to fix a particular problem but it does not address what users needs are. Steven -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: [Fedora-marketing-list] Fedora usability : a new project?
Good on you Damien. I am all for a project that can give users a method of suggesting improvements that can be filtered and then sent on to he necessary teams for implementation. The development teams should not be hassled by a lot request changes. In saying this if there is already a method that I am not aware of then the existing process should be used or if necessary modified so that good customer feed back is achieved. My experience with linux is limited but I do know the importance of good usability of a computer program - if people can not intuitively figure out how do something then that is a problem - 1 area is networking -though a lot of improvements have been made there is still a lot of bugs - (eg on my laptop sometimes the eth0 and eth1 (wired and wirless) get transposed or network manager decides to create a new ethernet device- there are a few other issues but not the time here. We are humans after all not dolphins. We all think in a particular way. And need to make operations more smother. One good example is Add remove programs and Software Updater We have a great product. That needs promoting and user feed back. There are few ideas i have but i would like to stress, lets not reinvent the wheel, if there is a system in place lets use it to its full potential. Anyway just my 2 cents worth On Sun, 2006-08-06 at 18:20 +0200, Damien Durand wrote: Hello everyone, Fedora usability was born but it's not official yet;-) : http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DamienDurand/Usability What's fedora Usability? The Fedora Usability project aims to provide coherence, accessibility and intuivity for all people using Fedora Core and its associated resources. Fedora must be easy and making things simple and coherent for a pleasant use is my objectif with this project. I need feedback, if you're interested to contribute feel free to add your name in the usability group : http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DamienDurand/Usability/UsabilityGroup Once this project completed and approved by you, I'll move the wiki pages and will send an official announce ;-) Thanks in advance Damien Durand -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
