packaging guide
hey guys i'm hoping to package gerix-wifi-cracker-ng(1) for fedora and i'm looking for someone who i can look to for help if i need it, is there a list of names i can look to? or what is the reccomended path? tia phil (1) http://www.backtrack.it/~emgent/hackstuff/old_gerix_wifi_cracker_ng/ -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: bash oom problem
On 04/10/09 14:03, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
On Sun, 2009-10-04 at 13:54 +0100, psmith wrote:
On 04/10/09 11:17, Sharpe, Sam J wrote:
2009/10/4 psmithpsm...@fedoraproject.org:
hi list, whilst trying to run this bash command
for w in {A..Z}{A..Z}{A..Z}{A..Z}{A..Z}{A..Z}{A..Z}{A..Z} ;do echo $w;done
wl1
Consider that for a second...
You are trying to generate a list of all possible combinations of an 8
character word composed of only uppercase letters - that's 26^8
combinations (208 Billion). Each word is 8 bytes long, which I make to
be 1670616516608 bytes... or to put it another way, 1.5 TB
So, you've got 4 GB of virtual memory and you are trying to fit an
1555GB array into it. Simple mathematics says no. Dumping the
arguments before it dies is pointless, because it hasn't even got as
far as expanding arguments yet.
You need to think of another was to do this and I humbly suggest that
Bash should not be high on your list.
thanks for the reality check sam :o
do you have any suggestions what/where i should be looking to get my
required output?
As Sam says, your initial attempt is trying to produce all 1.5TB at
once, which is why it blows up, but that's going to happen anyway even
if you program the same thing in C. IOW it's not an issue with the Shell
per se, but with the approach to the problem.
Assuming you actually want all 1.5TB of data (really?) you'd be better
consuming it as it's produced, perhaps via a pipe. Of course that
depends on what you're doing with it, which you haven't said.
poc
i'm doing some pen testing of my brother's companies network he wants me
to see if it's possible to get in so I'd be using the output as a word
list, and yes unfortunately i'll need all of it for comparison i'm not
sure if the program (aircrack) takes data from a pipe as a word list,
but i'll look into it
phil
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Re: bash oom problem
On 04/10/09 15:28, Mikkel wrote:
Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
On Sun, 2009-10-04 at 13:54 +0100, psmith wrote:
do you have any suggestions what/where i should be looking to get my
required output?
As Sam says, your initial attempt is trying to produce all 1.5TB at
once, which is why it blows up, but that's going to happen anyway even
if you program the same thing in C. IOW it's not an issue with the Shell
per se, but with the approach to the problem.
Assuming you actually want all 1.5TB of data (really?) you'd be better
consuming it as it's produced, perhaps via a pipe. Of course that
depends on what you're doing with it, which you haven't said.
poc
One way to do it would be to break it down into nested loops. I am
not sure you could do it in bash - I am not sure how bash handles
loops. You can try something like: (Not tested)
for a in {A..Z}; \
do for b in {A..Z}; \
do for c in {A..Z}; \
do for d in {A..Z}; \
do for e in {A..Z}; \
do for f in {A..Z}; \
echo $a$b$c$d$e$f ; \
done ; done ; done ; done ; done ; done ; done ; done
Mikkel
thanks mikkel :-) this got it to output the data to the file as it was
working though the command needed to be
for a in {A..Z}; \
do for b in {A..Z}; \
do for c in {A..Z}; \
do for d in {A..Z}; \
do for e in {A..Z}; \
do for f in {A..Z}; \
do for g in {A..Z}; \
do for h in {A..Z}; \
do echo $a$b$c$d$e$f$g$h; \
done;done;done;done;done;done;done;done; wl1
now i've just got to wait for the new hard drives to arrive and also
work out how to get it to start outputting a different file every 2GB or
so :-)
thanks again
phil
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bash oom problem
hi list, whilst trying to run this bash command
for w in {A..Z}{A..Z}{A..Z}{A..Z}{A..Z}{A..Z}{A..Z}{A..Z} ;do echo
$w;done wl1
on my aspire one (which is running rawhide) it kept crashing my system
down with no reasons shown in any of the logs, so i tried it on my
desktop machine which is an athlonx2 6000 with 2GB of ram and a raid0
array, with 2GB of swap and it too crashed the terminal but it did give
me an error and it turned out to be an oom error so i tried upping the
swap partition to 10GB and i'm still getting an oom crash, can anyone
suggest a way of getting the command to dump the output to disk each
time it gets close to running out of memory? or is this command always
doomed to fail?
tia
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Re: thunderbird 3b4 accounts problem
On 02/10/09 16:22, Steven Stern wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 10/02/2009 10:08 AM, brian wrote: On 10/02/2009 10:59 AM, brian wrote: I've just installed TB3b4 (because 3b3 was driving me nuts). I use IMAP, so on startup, it proceeded to download everything (although I'm pretty sure 3b3 had already done that). Unfortunately, it appears to have screwed things up. I have several accounts; they're all listed on the left side, but I have just a single Inbox at the top that contains everything from the Inbox of each account. Does anyone know the safest way to back out of this mess? And, is this the correct behaviour? If so, I'm not a fan. Is there some way to start up TB without having it inflict its Smart Folder functionality on me? Never mind. I found the (very tiny, unlabelled) arrows next to where it read Smart Folders. Clicking those changes the view to Unread Folders, Recent Folders, etc. Eventually, I got it back to All Folders. That was a bit disturbing, to say the least. Another thing I noticed is that the reply, delete, junk buttons have gone AWOL from the toolbar. That's easy enough to fix but couldn't it have updated without making the user go back in and add those again? See the release notes. Those buttons are now on the header panel of each message. You can put them back on the top toolbar. (I have.) Also, get the compactheader extension to control the space used by the message header panel. - -- Steve -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAkrGGrIACgkQeERILVgMyvD5/QCdF+KCUryTGm5jQ89oRAv86y+L EuwAnRVdS2L+gL90kMS9n9oZ4iNNuxi5 =N5EF -END PGP SIGNATURE- unfortunately compactheader doesn't work correctly with 3b4 ;( phil -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: bash oom problem
On 04/10/09 11:17, Sharpe, Sam J wrote:
2009/10/4 psmithpsm...@fedoraproject.org:
hi list, whilst trying to run this bash command
for w in {A..Z}{A..Z}{A..Z}{A..Z}{A..Z}{A..Z}{A..Z}{A..Z} ;do echo $w;done
wl1
Consider that for a second...
You are trying to generate a list of all possible combinations of an 8
character word composed of only uppercase letters - that's 26^8
combinations (208 Billion). Each word is 8 bytes long, which I make to
be 1670616516608 bytes... or to put it another way, 1.5 TB
So, you've got 4 GB of virtual memory and you are trying to fit an
1555GB array into it. Simple mathematics says no. Dumping the
arguments before it dies is pointless, because it hasn't even got as
far as expanding arguments yet.
You need to think of another was to do this and I humbly suggest that
Bash should not be high on your list.
thanks for the reality check sam :o
do you have any suggestions what/where i should be looking to get my
required output?
phil
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Re: F11 on Acer One - unpluging the power cable is not detected
On 16/09/09 19:25, Jim wrote: On 09/16/2009 01:46 PM, Frank Cox wrote: On Wed, 16 Sep 2009 13:08:02 +0100 jaivuk wrote: Yes, I mean Aspire One. I may try KDE, despite I found recommendation to use lightweight XFCE. Unfortunately Gnome is no-go as you cannot rename menus Applications... and it takes whole toolbar if you place it on the left side... I don't really understand your issue. I use F11 with Gnome on my Acer Aspire One with no problem at all. I have a single panel bar across the bottom of the screen with the main menu icon on the left and it looks and works fine. KDE-4.3 works great on FC11. xfce power manager is working perfectly well on my acer one aspire A150, what to try is to uninstall xfce power manager and install gnome power manager to see how it functions on your hardware then report back phil -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: fedora mini alpha testing
On 26/08/09 00:00, Peter Robinson wrote: Arriving fashionably late, and mostly intact, to the Constantine Alpha party I'd like to announce that Moblin on Fedora has made it's initial debut for Fedora Mini :) Still a work in progress, Moblin is now in a mostly usable state on Fedora for testing. It has hence come well dressed for the alpha party in the Constantine theme in that its still very much in the testing stage :-) But if your still game. to give your netbook it's first real work out read on! If its running the Constantine alpha or rawhide, you can test it by simply do a 'yum groupinstall Moblin Desktop Environment'. Once that's done simply logout or reboot and you can prepare for take off by selecting Moblin User Experience during login. While the core interface in now there there's still a couple of packages that are will arrive over the next week so. Running 'yum groupinstall Moblin Desktop Environment' again will top you up :) I look forward to feedback and help in making it great for F-12, and all other Moblin and Fedora Mini feedback. I'd also like some help in documenting supported netbook hardware combinations for F-12 so please send me smolt profiles, hardware reports or add and update details to the wiki page here (1). I look forward to a great start to Fedora Mini! Peter [1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/FedoraMini/Hardware hi peter i'm trying to install on an up to date rawhide and the install is failing because certain apps have depsolving problems, network-manager-netbook, anerly and anjal are needing these libraries libnm_glib.so.0 libmissioncontrol-client.so.0 is this a known problem? phil -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: naive live USB question
On 13/08/09 17:06, Adam Williamson wrote: On Thu, 2009-08-13 at 12:12 +0100, psmith wrote: jeez when i brought up the idea of fedora using hybrid iso's a few months back i was basically lambasted by most on this list, now all of a sudden it's a new F12 feature? wtf??? Didn't you know? That's how Fedora works. First everyone tells you you're insane, crazy, probably a drooling idiot, and there's ten reasons your idea will never work and would eat babies if it did. Then they implement it. :) heh thanks adam, you just brought a big smile to my face :D just when i needed one too lol phil -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: naive live USB question
On 12/08/09 21:05, David L wrote: On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 12:47 PM, David L wrote: On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 9:42 AM, Paul W. Frields wrote: On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 09:23:00AM -0700, David L wrote: I recently took a f11 live USB stick and used it to install f11 on a second USB stick (my hard drive crashed and I decided to temporarily just use a USB stick for a hard drive... that worked amazingly well by the way, but I digress). �I was wondering why the live USB creation process can't just create the result of this process... ie, make the stick look like a normal disk instead of the persistent overlay thing? Not a naive question, but I guess the answer is, you don't need the Live USB creation process to do that -- you can just install to a USB key using the standard installer. �The Live USB process grew out of the Live CD case, because it's a way to use one image in two different types of media. �If you want a bootable stick that's simply a piece of media like a hard disk, you can do that with Anaconda at any time, booting either your system or a VM guest with boot or installation media, and then installing to the USB key. IMHO, it would be nice if that process was done by the fedora folks and the resulting USB image was provided along with the live images. �That way, somebody that wanted a bootable USB would have a choice of the live CD image (which seems to have some vestigial organs as a result of its evolution from Live CD) or a file that could simply be dd'd onto a USB stick. �You could even have different sizes with a different number of packages for different size USB sticks. Hmmm... I think I found something like what I'm talking about on the fedora 12 release notes: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_12_Alpha_release_notes#Hybrid_ISO_images_-_Simple_and_Easy_Live_USB.27s Is that what I'm talking about or is it just an easier way to get the identical image onto a USB? Thanks, David jeez when i brought up the idea of fedora using hybrid iso's a few months back i was basically lambasted by most on this list, now all of a sudden it's a new F12 feature? wtf??? phil -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: naive live USB question
On 13/08/09 12:27, Rahul Sundaram wrote: On 08/13/2009 04:42 PM, psmith wrote: jeez when i brought up the idea of fedora using hybrid iso's a few months back i was basically lambasted by most on this list, now all of a sudden it's a new F12 feature? wtf??? This is a users list. There isn't much of a use suggesting development ideas here. Rahul yeah i know but i thought i was replying to a mail on the dev list, and at least that's where i sent the reply too (though it seems it was cc'd here too, and the point still stands! phil -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: naive live USB question
On 12/08/09 21:05, David L wrote: On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 12:47 PM, David L wrote: On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 9:42 AM, Paul W. Frields wrote: On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 09:23:00AM -0700, David L wrote: I recently took a f11 live USB stick and used it to install f11 on a second USB stick (my hard drive crashed and I decided to temporarily just use a USB stick for a hard drive... that worked amazingly well by the way, but I digress). �I was wondering why the live USB creation process can't just create the result of this process... ie, make the stick look like a normal disk instead of the persistent overlay thing? Not a naive question, but I guess the answer is, you don't need the Live USB creation process to do that -- you can just install to a USB key using the standard installer. �The Live USB process grew out of the Live CD case, because it's a way to use one image in two different types of media. �If you want a bootable stick that's simply a piece of media like a hard disk, you can do that with Anaconda at any time, booting either your system or a VM guest with boot or installation media, and then installing to the USB key. IMHO, it would be nice if that process was done by the fedora folks and the resulting USB image was provided along with the live images. �That way, somebody that wanted a bootable USB would have a choice of the live CD image (which seems to have some vestigial organs as a result of its evolution from Live CD) or a file that could simply be dd'd onto a USB stick. �You could even have different sizes with a different number of packages for different size USB sticks. Hmmm... I think I found something like what I'm talking about on the fedora 12 release notes: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_12_Alpha_release_notes#Hybrid_ISO_images_-_Simple_and_Easy_Live_USB.27s Is that what I'm talking about or is it just an easier way to get the identical image onto a USB? Thanks, David jeez when i brought up the idea of fedora using hybrid iso's a few months back i was basically lambasted by most on this list, now all of a sudden it's a new F12 feature? wtf??? phil -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: fedora mini revisted
On 27/07/09 21:33, Peter Robinson wrote: Hi All, I'd like some thoughts, and some help so yes, I'm opening a can of worms :-) A while a go jkatz put out a call about support for netbooks, and I begun to step up and the idea behind Fedora Mini [1] was born before being sidetracked by shiny things in the corner. So I'd like to get things moving forward again, no matter how slowly, for Fedora 12. At FudCon I started that moving [2] with the hope of getting some form of support for Intel's Moblin [3] in F-12 and there's a few package reviews [4] that I'd like some help with if people have time to review them :-) Moving forward I'd like to have some discussion about what people would like out of Fedora Mini. What is the expectation of Fedora on a NetBook/NetTop/MID style device? Is it worth having separate mailing list, or keeping the discussion on fedora-devel. My thoughts on that last point are mixed. Moving it onto another list allows it to be focused and while keeping the discussion clear of what ever the current heated discussion is also keeps it clear of general mainstream discussions where Fedora Mini can contribute or benefit. My personal thoughts are it could be alot, whether it be a NetBook or NetTop device like a eeePC, a mobile device based on the GNOME Mobile stack, a set top box running elisa or a thin terminal running a web broweser, voip client and some form of remote desktop technology. I have 2 main Fedora Mini devices 1) OLPC XO and a eeePC so I can't support it all so I'd like some help. I started to document some of the NetBook hardware [5] and it would be great to get some form of Hardware matrix together to see what's supported out of the box in Fedora, what's supported through 3rd party repositories and what's, well, not supported. Are people able to step up or help out here? My wiki skills aren't the best and Fedora as a group probably has alot of the Fedora Mini devices out there to document the hardware into as nice I want a small device to do blah and I want it to run Fedora what's my best option so we could probably do with one of the wiki elite to do a basic working layout and to keep it sane and having people with the various devices fill in the blanks. So what do people want out of a Fedora Mini SIG? Cheers, Peter BTW we have an irc channel at #fedora-mini. I'm on there most of the time now and try to keep an eye on it as best I can while doing the rest of my life so feel free to drop in and ask questions, I'll get to them as I can :-) [1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/FedoraMini [2] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon_Berlin_and_LinuxTag_2009_talks [3] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/FedoraMoblin [4] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=506446 [5] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/FedoraMini/Hardware well i've been running my aspire one A150 on fedora since late in the F9 release cycle and i've had a very good experience with F10 and F11, with most all apps usable at the 1024x600 resolution that the aspire has. i've also been running rawhide throughout this period quite painlessly. i am willing to help in any way i can with this sig and i'm glad to see it starting to get going again phil -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: Hint on Linpus
On 08/07/09 03:06, Carlos Alberto Alves wrote: Hi! Is there anyone who can help me setting an Acer Aspire One 150 to run a Linpus Linux in US English with a keyboard ABNT2 (Portuguese brazilian)? Found no help in Linpus homepage... :( Thanks in advance, best option is to remove linpus all together and install fedora10 or fedora11, these both work very well with the A150 (i have both F10 and F11 on my A150 on which i'm writing this email) and they still get security updates, where as linpus is based on fedora8 which reached end of life about seven months ago. phil -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Building a custom kernel with directions from Fedora
stan wrote: The directions at the link http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Building_a_custom_kernel work great for building a custom kernel from Fedora source rpm. With one gotcha: they don't build the firmware and the kernel won't install unless the firmware is present (or you build it as a binary blob into the kernel which I didn't want to do). So the example command that reads rpmbuild -bb --with baseonly --without debuginfo --target=`uname -m` kernel.spec should be rpmbuild -bb --with baseonly --with firmware --without debuginfo --target=`uname -m` kernel.spec and then everything works fine. A big thank you to the person who wrote those instructions, they are excellent! or you can just adjust the kernel spec file to build what you need ;) phil -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Q about installing F10 from Live DVD
suvayu ali wrote: 2009/4/22 psmith psm...@fedoraproject.org: suvayu ali wrote: Thanks for the thought, but I'm aware of the XFCE Live CDs. My question is since live CDs don't offer the option to choose the kind of install, not even the option to choose the partition on the disk, upgrading to a clean XFCE desktop is not possible without loosing my current partitioning scheme. Is my understanding correct here? no this is not correct, when you choose install to disk from the livecd desktop it starts anaconda and you can set the keyboard and language settings as well as set up custom partitions, or tell it to use existing partitions no problem, the only thing i found that was i had persistence set on my live usb and when i did finaly get round to installing to the hard drive none of the stuff that i had changed since first running the live usb (eg the stuff on the persistent part of it) didn't get transferred across, now this was with the f11 beta xfce snapshot so i'm not sure if it's just a problem with that spin, or if it happens with all live spins. phil Thank you Phil for correcting my misconceptions. This is great news for me. Now I can move to a completely Gnome free XFCE desktop for F11. :) don't be too sure about that, there are still some gnome dependencies on a fedora xfce install ;) phil -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Q about installing F10 from Live DVD
jackson byers wrote: ect: Re: Q about installing F10 from Live DVD jackson byers wrote: Well, the f10liveinstall cd didnt work for me, ( see f10 liveinstall cd trashed my main fc5) Well, FC5 is long out of support, that's what you get for waiting so long until you finally upgrade. (Hint: you're supposed to upgrade at each or every other release, not wait 5 releases and then install in parallel, still keeping the totally outdated version.) �� Kevin Kofler - jbyers; I am fully aware that I was/am way out of date, and fully nonsupported in fc5. I _was_� trying to install the current f10� (which i think you would encourage) but wanted to retain fc5 until i successfully installed f10, surely a safe practice. Instead I� got my main fc5 clobbered by some combination of --my own inexperience --a live/install cd that did not have a custom option. � or i� couldnt see it. David's experience also was that there was no custom option. I purchased my cd from OSDisc.com Fedora 10 KDE Edition - install/Live CD is this some outdated version? or a deficient version? not officially supported? How is one to know? Jack you simply clicked next on the partitioning screen with the drop down box that said replace my existing linux install instead of clicking said drop down box and choosing custom. user error all the way. afaik the live cd's have had custom partitioning since at least f9 if not before then! phil -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Q about installing F10 from Live DVD
jackson byers wrote: ��� David's experience also was that there was no custom option. ��� I purchased my cd from OSDisc.com ��� Fedora 10 KDE Edition - install/Live CD ��� is this some outdated version? ��� or a deficient version? ��� not officially supported? ��� How is one to know? ��� Jack you simply clicked next on the partitioning screen with the drop down box that said replace my existing linux install instead of clicking said drop down box and choosing custom. user error all the way. afaik the live cd's have had custom partitioning since at least f9 if not before then! phil --- jbyers: I don't doubt that I somehow got into user error all the way. But I was quite conscious that I did not want replace my existing linux install and would certainly not have clicked it. If you are correct, then if i somehow got into custom� then I may well have still managed to botch it. I still find it curious however that David also thought there was no obvious custom leading me to think there could be� differences on various versions of the liveinstallcd. Another question: this thread Q about installing F10 from Live DVD implies� it is a� DVD not a CD. Do both versions exist? I have a CD not a DVD And one final question: Does the custom option include choice of not installing� grub to mbr? Jack Does the custom include� ability to not install grub on the mbr? the problem is that 'replace my existing linux install' is already selected when you get to the partitioning page, and unless you click the drop down box you wont see the other available options. yes you can install grub on any partition using the custom option, and as long as you are aware of which partition number/s you want to install things on then i can't see you botching it in the custom choice. all live cd's use the same installer, in fact fedora only has one installer 'anaconda' so the installation partitioning options are the same using livecd or dvd media. there are only livecd's for now, no live dvd's, so in effect the thread title is wrong ;) phil -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Q about installing F10 from Live DVD
suvayu ali wrote: 2009/4/22 David dgbo...@comcast.net: On 4/22/2009 2:13 PM, suvayu ali wrote: 2009/4/22 David dgbo...@comcast.net: As I understand the Live-CD installs to the primary (boot) disk. That would be sda. It will have a / in sda1 and a swap in sda6. It will be LVM. All this talk about live CDs got me thinking. If someone wants to get something not available on the DVD (e.g. XFCE) and have their custom setup on the local disk, the only way to upgrade is over the network using preupgrade? Isn't that rather restrictive, specially since a lot of the users have dual boot machines? What would be the options if I don't have a reliable high speed Internet connection? I am asking this as I wanted to get rid of Gnome completely and have XFCE instead when I upgrade to F11. But going by this, that seems unattainable. Am I missing something here? There were two, official, Fedora 10 Live-CDs released. One that was GNOME and another one that was KDE. There are some people here that made several different, they are called 'spins', of Fedora 10. And one of the Live-CDs was XFCE, IIRC, but it was only available with Bittorent. Again. IIRC. If you had one of those official CDs, KDE or GNOME, they have to be downloaded by the way, you could install XKCE and use it. It too would have to be downloaded but the software installer/updater could get that for you. XFCE is reasonably small. I just looked and it would be about 34 megs for what looks like the basic desktop with everything needed to work. Thanks for the thought, but I'm aware of the XFCE Live CDs. My question is since live CDs don't offer the option to choose the kind of install, not even the option to choose the partition on the disk, upgrading to a clean XFCE desktop is not possible without loosing my current partitioning scheme. Is my understanding correct here? no this is not correct, when you choose install to disk from the livecd desktop it starts anaconda and you can set the keyboard and language settings as well as set up custom partitions, or tell it to use existing partitions no problem, the only thing i found that was i had persistence set on my live usb and when i did finaly get round to installing to the hard drive none of the stuff that i had changed since first running the live usb (eg the stuff on the persistent part of it) didn't get transferred across, now this was with the f11 beta xfce snapshot so i'm not sure if it's just a problem with that spin, or if it happens with all live spins. phil -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Q about installing F10 from Live DVD
David wrote: On 4/22/2009 3:33 PM, suvayu ali wrote: 2009/4/22 David dgbo...@comcast.net: On 4/22/2009 2:13 PM, suvayu ali wrote: 2009/4/22 David dgbo...@comcast.net: As I understand the Live-CD installs to the primary (boot) disk. That would be sda. It will have a / in sda1 and a swap in sda6. It will be LVM. All this talk about live CDs got me thinking. If someone wants to get something not available on the DVD (e.g. XFCE) and have their custom setup on the local disk, the only way to upgrade is over the network using preupgrade? Isn't that rather restrictive, specially since a lot of the users have dual boot machines? What would be the options if I don't have a reliable high speed Internet connection? I am asking this as I wanted to get rid of Gnome completely and have XFCE instead when I upgrade to F11. But going by this, that seems unattainable. Am I missing something here? There were two, official, Fedora 10 Live-CDs released. One that was GNOME and another one that was KDE. There are some people here that made several different, they are called 'spins', of Fedora 10. And one of the Live-CDs was XFCE, IIRC, but it was only available with Bittorent. Again. IIRC. If you had one of those official CDs, KDE or GNOME, they have to be downloaded by the way, you could install XKCE and use it. It too would have to be downloaded but the software installer/updater could get that for you. XFCE is reasonably small. I just looked and it would be about 34 megs for what looks like the basic desktop with everything needed to work. Thanks for the thought, but I'm aware of the XFCE Live CDs. My question is since live CDs don't offer the option to choose the kind of install, not even the option to choose the partition on the disk, upgrading to a clean XFCE desktop is not possible without loosing my current partitioning scheme. Is my understanding correct here? With a Lived-CD. Yes. I said before that a Live-CD does not really install in the common way thought of. It wipes the drive and writes itself to the harddrive. Exactly as it is when it was made. Somewhat like burning an ISO to a CD/DVD. What it is is what you get. A update would take either the 3.4 G DVD or the set of 6 CDs. I don't know, it's none of my business, where you live but if Internet connection is your problem this will be available to buy after it is released. One place is Cheapbytes. I have used them in the past and they are reliable and the prices are inexpensive. http://cheapbytes.com/ For example: Fedora 10 x86 install DVD is $5.99 + shipping Fedora 10 x86 install CD set(6) is 8.99 + shipping It has been a while but what I received was a quality disk(s) with a professional looking label 'made' to the disk, not a 'stick-on' label, with a window sleeve. you are wrong in your suppositions of the live install procedure as it does not wipe the disc and install itself on the full hard drive, well not unless you tell it too ;) phil -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Wireless Woes
Seann Clark wrote: Kevin Kofler wrote: Seann Clark wrote: I apologize, I left that out by accident. How do you pull up the actual wireless network device? Try using NetworkManager. You'll want NetworkManager-gnome for the GUI part too (even if you aren't using GNOME - a KDE 4 Plasma applet is under development, but at this point I can't really recommend it and we aren't installing it by default); in its default configuration, NetworkManager doesn't do all that much for wireless devices without a GUI. Kevin Kofler I tried NM, and it configured everything else, I just can't get/find the wireless card driver in the list, and it doesn't see the wireless card even when the module is loaded. ~Seann on what type of machine is this happening? and what type of wireless card? phil -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: kernel-2.6.29.1-30 doesn't boot
Joonas Sarajärvi wrote: 2009/4/16 Dan my.account...@ntlworld.com: Just updated the kernel about an hour ago. Fedora 10 (x86) Dell GX240 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Rage 128 Pro Ultra TF When booting it gets as far as starting anacron and then I just get a black screen with keyboard and mouse frozen. Dmesg and boot log offer no hints. Anyone come across this or have any suggestions? After installing the same kernel from updates-testing along with all the other 'testing updates, I have run into a similar issue. First, I noticed that unlike with 2.6.27, KMS is now enabled on my hardware. However, booting seemed to get stuck in the same place as on your machine. After getting stuck, only the ACPI event from the power button seemed to do anything meaningful (The system shut down cleanly, though without any output to the screen). After adding the nomodeset word to the kernel boot parameters, the system acts as it used to. No KMS, no getting stuck at the end of boot. Try doing the same if you suspect it has anything to do with KMS. The hardware where this happens is an IBM Thinkpad T41, with the following graphics card: 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Radeon Mobility M7 LW [Radeon Mobility 7500] no problems here on my acer aspire on a150 with said kernel update phil -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: [SOLVED] Re: xorg virtual / panning question
Craig White wrote: On Fri, 2009-04-10 at 19:01 +0100, Sharpe, Sam J wrote: 2009/4/10 Craig White craigwh...@azapple.com: On Fri, 2009-04-10 at 16:43 +0100, Sharpe, Sam J wrote: 2009/4/10 Sharpe, Sam J sam.sharpe+lists.red...@gmail.com: 2009/4/10 Craig White craigwh...@azapple.com: I am getting no traction on xorg mail list - perhaps I cannot ask in a way that makes them answer but the idea is... Fedora 11 Beta (xrandr 1.3 - yeah!) If I manually execute the command... xrandr --output LVDS1 --mode 1024x600 --panning 1280x1024 I sort of get what I want...well, the background is tiled but my tiny 1024x600 screen becomes usable with panning and I can't understand why I can't achieve this simply with xorg.conf. Can anyone see what changes I need to make? snip I know very little about this but I was keeping an eye on it for my eeePC 701. The changelog for Xorg 1.5.99 says: Matthias Hopf (5): randr: Add monitor option Panning for initial panning configuration So that says to me that somewhere in your Xorg.conf Monitor section you should have a Panning keyword - which you don't have. Looks like you'll have to dig around in Google though as I haven't seen any easy source of information about it, Or you could look at the code: http://cgit.freedesktop.org/xorg/xserver/commit/?h=panning-for-server-1.6id=44b89dc0a5aa23df69539754fb76c67c310530db Looks to me like: Section Monitor snip Panning 1280x1024 EndSection might do it... death - death I say... Parse error on line 44 of section Monitor in file /etc/X11/xorg.conf Panning is not a valid keyword in this section. Have you tried: Option Panning 1280x1024 If you download the src.rpm for Xorg in F11b, Panning is definitely in hw/xfree86/modes/xf86Crtc.c ... so it /should/ work... Victory! I now have virtual scrolling/panning on my 1024x600 screen to 1280x1024 whether or not an external display is connected to the VGA port. thanks Sam - you inspired me to keep trying. Turned out that it finally did work but what made it work was adding back the second Monitor and Screen sections so I could have both my LVDS and VGA screens and I gather that the larger size of the VGA is what made it all work. I have put this info on the Acer Aspire One page on Fedora Wiki for anyone who is interested and it should provide a really good guide for Sam's Asus eepro (obviously adjust for the built-in video and external VGA display). Link here... https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Acer_Aspire_One#xorg.conf Oh - this is with Fedora-11-Beta (and current updates) because I believe the xserver 1.6 and xrandr 1.3 versions are needed to make it work. Craig nice work craig!, good to see you finally got it working 8-) phil -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: kernel compile error: make[1]: *** No rule to make target `missing-syscalls'. Stop
Yas say wrote: Not sure how to fix this. I compiled kernels with SuSE but never with Redhat or Fedora. someone please help. I made sure all develop tools are in and I need this for new hardware support. [r...@gbintel 2.6.27.19-170.2.35.fc10.i686]# make scripts/kconfig/conf -s arch/x86/Kconfig CHK include/linux/version.h CHK include/linux/utsrelease.h make[1]: *** No rule to make target `missing-syscalls'. Stop. make: *** [prepare0] Error 2 uname -a says: Linux gbintel 2.6.27.19-170.2.35.fc10.i686 #1 SMP Mon Feb 23 13:21:22 EST 2009 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux thanks http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/CustomKernel phil -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Chown ???
Sharpe, Sam J wrote: 2009/4/9 psmith johnsmithdo...@googlemail.com: my first computer was a spektrum 48k, it used a casette tape for storage and had great games like jet set willy and saboteur, we also used one at primary school where i started to learn to program spektrum basic. Then there was the Spectrum 48K+... ahh the days of typing out code listings from a book just so you could play a new free game. 10 print phil is cool 20 goto 10 run 10 INK 4 20 PAPER 3 30 PRINT 40 PRINT Sam is Cooler 50 PRINT 60 BEEP 1,0 lol, and we also learned logo with the edinburgh turtle that used was to plot drawings on the floor that you had programmed in. so obviously i'm not as old as some of you but i' ve still been around a bit lol :D I would estimate that you are 30 +/- 2 close, 34 years old, though my missus would swear i'm still a teenager the way get excited over gadgets and computers lol phil -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Chown ???
Rick Stevens wrote: psmith wrote: my first computer was a spektrum 48k, it used a casette tape for storage and had great games like jet set willy and saboteur, we also used one at primary school where i started to learn to program spektrum basic, the first ever program being 10 print phil is cool 20 goto 10 run How about immediate mode: for a = 1 to 5:print phil is cool:a = 1:next a Never had a TRS-80, but amongst the other miscellaneous debris in my garage I find a TI-99/4A and a SWTP (SouthWest Technical Products) 6800. Ooo! Look! My old MicroVAX 3100/20! And my Amiga 2000 and 3000T! And my DEC Alpha! -- - Rick Stevens, Systems Engineer ri...@nerd.com - - AIM/Skype: therps2ICQ: 22643734Yahoo: origrps2 - -- - A day for firm decisions!!! Well, then again, maybe not!- -- yeah but i was talking about my first ever program ;-) phil -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: xorg virtual / panning question
Sharpe, Sam J wrote: 2009/4/10 Craig White craigwh...@azapple.com: On Fri, 2009-04-10 at 19:01 +0100, Sharpe, Sam J wrote: 2009/4/10 Craig White craigwh...@azapple.com: On Fri, 2009-04-10 at 16:43 +0100, Sharpe, Sam J wrote: 2009/4/10 Sharpe, Sam J sam.sharpe+lists.red...@gmail.com: 2009/4/10 Craig White craigwh...@azapple.com: I am getting no traction on xorg mail list - perhaps I cannot ask in a way that makes them answer but the idea is... Fedora 11 Beta (xrandr 1.3 - yeah!) If I manually execute the command... xrandr --output LVDS1 --mode 1024x600 --panning 1280x1024 I sort of get what I want...well, the background is tiled but my tiny 1024x600 screen becomes usable with panning and I can't understand why I can't achieve this simply with xorg.conf. Can anyone see what changes I need to make? snip I know very little about this but I was keeping an eye on it for my eeePC 701. The changelog for Xorg 1.5.99 says: Matthias Hopf (5): � � �randr: Add monitor option Panning for initial panning configuration So that says to me that somewhere in your Xorg.conf Monitor section you should have a Panning keyword - which you don't have. Looks like you'll have to dig around in Google though as I haven't seen any easy source of information about it, Or you could look at the code: http://cgit.freedesktop.org/xorg/xserver/commit/?h=panning-for-server-1.6id=44b89dc0a5aa23df69539754fb76c67c310530db Looks to me like: Section Monitor snip � � �Panning � � � 1280x1024 EndSection might do it... death - death I say... Parse error on line 44 of section Monitor in file /etc/X11/xorg.conf � � � �Panning is not a valid keyword in this section. Have you tried: Option Panning 1280x1024 If you download the src.rpm for Xorg in F11b, Panning is definitely in hw/xfree86/modes/xf86Crtc.c ... so it /should/ work... In 'Monitor' section...it seems to be ignored. # grep Panning /var/log/Xorg.0.log (**) intel(0): Option Panning 1280x1024 (WW) intel(0): Option Panning is not used In 'Display' subsection of 'Screen' instead, likewise # grep Panning /var/log/Xorg.0.log (WW) intel(0): Option Panning is not used It may not be compatible with one of the modules that I asserted but X.org.0.log doesn't suggest that to be the problem. Oh well, at least you've got some extra info to go back to bothering the Xorg guys with ;o) where's ajax when he's really needed? phil -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Chown ???
James Kosin wrote: Rick Stevens wrote: Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Thu, 2009-04-09 at 11:19 -0400, Jim wrote: Rick Stevens wrote: Jim wrote: Rick Stevens wrote: Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Wed, 2009-04-08 at 15:27 +, g wrote: Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: ttys 'b-'. you did not answer which model and usage of paper. :) asr33, paper scroll :-) ASR33s also had the paper tape punch and reader. KSR33s did not. I had both hooked up to my Altair 8800 back in '77 via 110 baud, 20mA current loop serial interfaces. Ah, memories! ASR33 on a Altair, that far back, You must be at least 100, Smart*ss! Nah, I was in college (sophmore). I started out on a RCA 1802 8 bit and I still have it. I modified it to work on S100 bus so I could get more memory , 64k , man you were top dog with that kind of memory. Only had 56K (seven 8KB RAM cards) and a nice 8K EPROM board (had 1702A PROMS on it) holding a monitor program. -- - Rick Stevens, Systems Engineer ri...@nerd.com - - AIM/Skype: therps2ICQ: 22643734Yahoo: origrps2 - -- - I understand Windows 2000 has a Y2K problem. - -- I don't think anything has had a fast pace change like the Computer. Then you had to really get into the nuts and bolts of a computer to get one working. I also still have a dual 8 floppy drive that was big back then. I can remember when the 3 1/2, 1.4mb floppy first came boy did that make a big difference. Dear me, all you youngsters prattling on about these new-fangled microprocessors. The first system I managed was a PDP-11/45. Got ya beat. First managed a Univac (can't recall the model), moved to an S/360, Burroughs Medium System 12, Xerox Sigma 7, DG Nova 2/10, DEC PDP-8, PDP-11/45 and VAX 11/785, THEN got the Altairs and IMSAIs (and Amigas and clones and lions and tigers and bears, oh my!). And now, back to the real topic. (What was it again? I forget...) -- Rick I'm enjoying all this reminiscing about old times. When I was younger (a teen ager), my father bought our first computer. A Tandy Radio Shack Model I computer. It came with 8k of memory and a tape device to save and load programs. When available my father bought the upgrades to expand to 64k of memory and several floppy drives. I learned how to program and write in BASIC and Assembly language for the 8080... James my first computer was a spektrum 48k, it used a casette tape for storage and had great games like jet set willy and saboteur, we also used one at primary school where i started to learn to program spektrum basic, the first ever program being 10 print phil is cool 20 goto 10 run lol, and we also learned logo with the edinburgh turtle that used was to plot drawings on the floor that you had programmed in. so obviously i'm not as old as some of you but i' ve still been around a bit lol :D phil -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Chown ???
Alan Cox wrote:
I was at BTL in the very early '80s. Writing kernel mods and drivers
for Unix, and teaching Unix internals to BTL employees. It's always been
superuser. I don't know where anyone got this lame substitute user
stuff, but it's not authentic.
To quote the V7 manual page
-su \- substitute user id temporarily
So although a lot of people believe su is superuser, they are wrong.
Alan
from UNIX V6[1]
$ cat su.c
/* su -- become super-user */
charpassword[100];
charpwbuf[100];
int ttybuf[3];
main()
{
register char *p, *q;
extern fin;
if(getpw(0, pwbuf))
goto badpw;
(fin)[1] = 0;
p = pwbuf;
while(*p != ':')
if(*p++ == '\0')
goto badpw;
if(*++p == ':')
goto ok;
[1]http://www.roesler-ac.de/wolfram/acro/credits.htm#2
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Re: How to get send mail without localhost.localdomain
Ed Greshko wrote: Arthur Pemberton wrote: I put a .forward in /root so that I can receive logwatch emails from my desktop. But against everything I have tried, I can't get sendmail to use r...@example.com instead of r...@localhost.localdomain I don't want to stick example.com in to /etc/hosts as it will mess with other things (the workstation is not example.com, but workstation.example.com) Is there any reason for not using MailTo in /etc/log.d/logwatch.conf ? or even set logwatch to output the report to an html file instead of mailing the report phil -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: kernel source code
David wrote: On 3/26/2009 12:47 AM, Bill Davidsen wrote: Rahul Sundaram wrote: Bill Davidsen wrote: Rahul Sundaram wrote: Bill Davidsen wrote: And as a side note, I just pulled a source rpm off rawhide, for kernel 2.6.29-rc8-git and it would unpack due to MD5 errors in the install. Don't know what that's all about, Rawhide has switched to using SHA256 instead of MD5 everywhere including RPM. Details in the stronger hashes feature at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/11/FeatureList Actually it seems to be signed with a key I don't see, the message is: kernel-2.6.29-0.258.rc8.git2.fc11.src.rpm: RSA sha1 (MD5) (PGP) md5 NOT OK (MISSING KEYS: PGP#d22e77f2) I assume it's a key only in the FC11 release, which isn't in older systems. A problem for another day, I'm content now that I understand why it fails. Yes. Every release has a different key. Interesting, though, I got that key off the web site for the alpha, and it's in my personal keyring, some time when I want to spend a lot of time on something I probably won't use I'll figure out where that key needs to be, since I don't have a usable FC11 machine (both installed the alpha but when I do the upgrade they hang solid). Not critical, the newer kernel seems to use my display no better than the old. The key does not go in your personal keyring. It goes in rpm's keyring. rpm --import /path_of/name_of_key why not just download 2.26.29-3.fc10 from koji? i'm pretty sure it has the latest modesetting stuff enabled -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: recent update issues
Dennis Kaptain wrote: I have been following the fedora-list for several years off and on. From time to time I see as well as occasionally experience issues with updates breaking things. It seems to me that this week has been especially tough. There has been a flurry of problems including the libX11 issue that is affecting me personally. To help keep all this in perspective, I want to point out that this is a very rare occurrence. I keep my system up to date with the very latest packages available, checking mostly daily, and almost never have any kind of problem. Now that a problem has surfaced, as is my experience, I'm sure it will be fixed very quickly. In this regard: To all the developers out there, whose names I don't even know, who work hard at keeping MY computer updated and secure with one of the best operating systems on the planet, for FREE, Thank you! Dennis Kaptain __ Correo Yahoo! Espacio para todos tus mensajes, antivirus y antispam �gratis! Reg�strate ya - http://correo.yahoo.com.mx/ at least this one isn't near as bad as the dbus one in december :O and i would also like to add my thanks to those people involved in making and keeping fedora the front runner of *nix distro's and i'll keep doing my teensy tiny little bit by giving you bugs to crush when i find them lol phil -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Anyone else think X has a performance problem ?
Alan Cox wrote: I've got boxes at home running FC6, F8, and F10. The FC6 box is an old AMD Athlon 2Ghz 1.5GB memory, the F8 box is a P4 3 Ghz 2GB memory, and the F10 box is an Intel Core2 2.2 Ghz 4GB memory. For the test, I created a 1,000,000 line (80 byte lines, 80 MB) text file and timed cat file on all the boxes, with and without X. I ran the test several times and reported the fastest time. I also tried turning off anti-aliased text, but that was actually slower. Bottom line, FC6 running X was 6 times faster than F8 and over 8 times faster than F10. I know that there have been many, many improvements in Fedora over the years, but X looks like it's taking a big step backward. And don't tell me the eye-candy is much better, because I don't care. You seem to have erroneously posted a mix of numbers mixing up version, kernel, X server and hardware. Unless you hold three of those constant to get the variation in the fourth your data is totally meaningless - even if there is a real slow down. regardless the difference between X and no X in each version/hardware is astounding! what are the reasons for this, your not telling me that X is chewing up that much cpu cycles to turn a 1minute 40sec operation into a 4minute 53sec one? i think this merits much further analysis! -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: fedora LTS , why not?
Kevin Kofler wrote: Antonio Olivares wrote: I can understand the LTS support complaints, but CentOS, Scientific and others address this, but as far as the codecs part. There is a CD out there with everything prepackaged and Fedora based: ... where everything doesn't include KDE. IMHO that CD is completely useless. Kevin Kofler i think by now this list knows exactly how you feel about kde, and those who don't feel the same as you ;), but fortunately not everyone has to like the same things :) phil -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: F10 and built-in Intel graphics
Craig White wrote: On Tue, 2009-03-17 at 09:49 +, psmith wrote: Craig White wrote: On Mon, 2009-03-16 at 22:25 +, psmith wrote: Craig White wrote: On Mon, 2009-03-16 at 19:14 +, psmith wrote: Gordon Messmer wrote: M A Young wrote: I recommend that you do a text based install (add text to the boot line), and once you have it installed, boot to a text console (add 3 to the boot line), then add Option NoAccel true to the Device section of /etc/X11/xorg.conf I'm curious whether it's necessary to disable acceleration entirely, or simply revert to the older XAA method. On my Thinkpad X40, the Intel video driver in F10 had significant problems, where the driver on F9 was fine. I could either use XAA or revert to the older driver to get proper rendering. I've attached a minimal xorg.conf. I believe you can save it to /etc/X11 to test each of the options individually. Try disabling accel, and then try using XAA (both options are in the file). Let us know what kind of results you get, and then track down one of the bugzilla reports on this subject (I know a few are open) and add your information. here is the pertinant section of the xorg.conf for my aspire one which has intel gfx, this is on F10 and it works perfectly Section Device Identifier Card0 Driver intel VendorName Intel Corporation BoardName Mobile 945GME Express Integrated Graphics Controller VideoRam229376 OptionMonitorLayout LVDS,VGA OptionClone true OptionAccelMethod EXA OptionMigrationHeuristic greedy OptionCacheLines 1980 BusID PCI:0:2:0 EndSection you haven't by any chance figured out how to get LVDS to use a larger virtual screen - say 1024 x 768 have you? I've been unable to do that on my Aspire One. Craig no sorry craig, i think i remember reading somewhere that the only way to get the Virtual setting to work is to pass the NoAccel true option but i've not tried it would you have NoAccel true instead of AccelMethod EXA ? is that the idea? Craig yeah that's it, let me know if it works out nothing I have done so far has allowed me to have a virtual screen on the LVDS larger than 1024x600 and the above didn't work. Presently xorg.conf on my Aspire One looks like this... Section ServerLayout Identifier single head configuration Screen 0 Screen0 0 0 InputDeviceKeyboard0 CoreKeyboard EndSection Section InputDevice # keyboard added by rhpxl Identifier Keyboard0 Driver kbd Option XkbModel pc105+inet Option XkbLayout us EndSection Section Device Identifier Card0 Driver intel VendorName Intel Corporation BoardName Mobile 945GME Express Integrated Graphics Controller VideoRam229376 OptionMonitorLayout LVDS,VGA OptionClone true #OptionAccelMethod EXA OptionNoAccel true OptionMigrationHeuristic greedy OptionCacheLines 1980 BusID PCI:0:2:0 EndSection Section Screen Identifier Screen0 Device Card0 DefaultDepth 24 SubSection Display Viewport 0 0 Depth 24 Modes 1280x1024 1024x768 1024x600 Virtual 2048 2048 EndSubSection EndSection and I have had various sizes in 'Virtual' from 1024 768 and 1280 1024 and have tried disabling the 'Modes' line altogether or just had it with 1280x1024 (my 19 display) but nothing has worked. I have been mostly testing things with just the built-in display because that is where I want the larger virtual screen. ;-( Craig sorry to hear that craig, but have no ther options for you to try. maybe an email to the xorg or intel driver mailing list might get you a solution, if you do figure it out be sure to let us know :) phil -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: xfce 4.6.0 for F10
Kevin Fenzi wrote: On Thu, 19 Mar 2009 00:05:31 + psmith johnsmithdo...@googlemail.com wrote: kevin everything seems to be fine so far with 4.6 on F10 but for one problem, in replacing xfce-mcs-plugin-gsynaptics i can no longer change my touchpad settings with the gui, every time i try to start xfce4-mouse-settings from either the system menu or the xfce4 settings manager i get a segfault, xfce4-mouse-set[2817]: segfault at 0 ip 0804abc7 sp bfb84680 error 4 in xfce4-mouse-settings[8048000+a000] yeah. It's likely trying to use the new xinput setup that will be in place in F11. ;( this is the only error i've come accross so far, system is an acer aspire one A150 ok. uname -a Linux aspire.one 2.6.29-0.53.aao150.rc7.fc10.i686 #1 SMP Fri Mar 6 13:57:19 GMT 2009 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux if there's anything you want me to do just let me know, but it's not a problem as i can use synclient if for any reason i want to change the touchpad settings ok. I can look at rebuilding that, but not sure it will work with the older input setup in f10. ;( phil kevin like i said kevin there's no real problem as i have already setup the touchpad to my liking and i can use synclient to change it if i need to, i just let you know as feedback. i am really liking the new xfce, little changes like the administration sub menu, and especially the new gconf like settings editor, it even feels snappier in use, though that may just be my imagination lol. xfce 4.6 imho is a big improvement :) phil -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: F10 and built-in Intel graphics [SOLVED]
Marko Vojinovic wrote: On Tuesday 17 March 2009 19:18, Matthew Saltzman wrote: I can't find the other e-mail in which someone suggested using XAA acceleration, but that seems to have worked so far. Thanks, all! It doesn't work. It improves the time between two crashes, but does not eliminate them. The only workaround that makes intel drivers stable atm is to add Option NoAccel true into xorg.conf, but that kind of defeats the purpose of having a supported, open source, 3D accelerated driver. I have also set XAA instead of EXA, and it does slightly improve the situation, but don't rely on it. The problem here seems not to be just the transition from the old XAA to the new EXA. The bug is somewhere deeper, and it looks like to be an interplay of various things in the intel driver itself, the kernel, the X, the usage of 3D acceleration by the apps on top of X and so on. That is why crashes appear to be random, why it is almost impossible to trigger the bug intentionally and why there is no fix for cca 5 months now. rant So much for the famous Open Source support. If it were a nVidia bug, it would be just fixed in the next release of their closed-source driver. Even ATI's buggy flgrx driver gets fixed when the bug is severe enough. And here we are having the source completely open for the intel driver, and a bug that so radically affects all Intel cards is not fixed for half a year now... /rant Best, :-) Marko well i've been using my aspire one on F10 since the day of the F10 release with the exa acceleration method, i'm scoring ~780 in glxgears with glxgears -geometry 300x300+360+150 as the command, i've yet to have a X lockup or crash either and i'm using compositing in xfwm4 too, and the plymouth solar boot works well too. obviously not everyone is having such a good time with their intel gfx hardware, but not everyone is having problems either ;) phil -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: xfce 4.6.0 for F10
Kevin Fenzi wrote: On Mon, 02 Mar 2009 23:12:41 + Frank Murphy (Frankly3D) frankl...@gmail.com wrote: Kevin Fenzi wrote: I can update that and let you know where the repo is if you want to test them? phil kevin I would also be willing to test. FRank that would be great kevin, just let me know when your repo is ready and i'll get to testing them out :) phil ok. I have a prelim repo setup here now. ;) Note: You will need to 'rpm -e imsettings-xfce' first as I don't have the updated imsettings plugin in the repo yet. The repo is at: http://www.scrye.com/~kevin/fedora/46-for-f10/ there are i386 and x86_64 packages. I tried to also do plugins. You can use: --cut-- [46-for-f10] name=Xfce 4.6 for Fedora 10 failovermethod=priority baseurl=http://www.scrye.com/~kevin/fedora/46-for-f10/10/$basearch/ enabled=1 gpgcheck=0 --cut-- In a /etc/yum.repos.d/xfce46-for-f10-testing-only.repo file. Note that these are unofficial and for testing only. I welcome all feedback, but make no promises. ;) If things go smoothly in feedback and in the upcoming Xfce test day for rawhide we may update f10. It's still a lot of change, so we are leary of jumping on it too fast. Let me know how it goes. ;) kevin thanks so much for taking the time to do this kevin 8), yum is doing it's thing just now. so i'll let you know how it goes. phil -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: xfce 4.6.0 for F10
Kevin Fenzi wrote: On Mon, 02 Mar 2009 23:12:41 + Frank Murphy (Frankly3D) frankl...@gmail.com wrote: Kevin Fenzi wrote: I can update that and let you know where the repo is if you want to test them? phil kevin I would also be willing to test. FRank that would be great kevin, just let me know when your repo is ready and i'll get to testing them out :) phil ok. I have a prelim repo setup here now. ;) Note: You will need to 'rpm -e imsettings-xfce' first as I don't have the updated imsettings plugin in the repo yet. The repo is at: http://www.scrye.com/~kevin/fedora/46-for-f10/ there are i386 and x86_64 packages. I tried to also do plugins. You can use: --cut-- [46-for-f10] name=Xfce 4.6 for Fedora 10 failovermethod=priority baseurl=http://www.scrye.com/~kevin/fedora/46-for-f10/10/$basearch/ enabled=1 gpgcheck=0 --cut-- In a /etc/yum.repos.d/xfce46-for-f10-testing-only.repo file. Note that these are unofficial and for testing only. I welcome all feedback, but make no promises. ;) If things go smoothly in feedback and in the upcoming Xfce test day for rawhide we may update f10. It's still a lot of change, so we are leary of jumping on it too fast. Let me know how it goes. ;) kevin kevin everything seems to be fine so far with 4.6 on F10 but for one problem, in replacing xfce-mcs-plugin-gsynaptics i can no longer change my touchpad settings with the gui, every time i try to start xfce4-mouse-settings from either the system menu or the xfce4 settings manager i get a segfault, xfce4-mouse-set[2817]: segfault at 0 ip 0804abc7 sp bfb84680 error 4 in xfce4-mouse-settings[8048000+a000] this is the only error i've come accross so far, system is an acer aspire one A150 uname -a Linux aspire.one 2.6.29-0.53.aao150.rc7.fc10.i686 #1 SMP Fri Mar 6 13:57:19 GMT 2009 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux if there's anything you want me to do just let me know, but it's not a problem as i can use synclient if for any reason i want to change the touchpad settings phil -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: F10 and built-in Intel graphics
Craig White wrote: On Mon, 2009-03-16 at 22:25 +, psmith wrote: Craig White wrote: On Mon, 2009-03-16 at 19:14 +, psmith wrote: Gordon Messmer wrote: M A Young wrote: I recommend that you do a text based install (add text to the boot line), and once you have it installed, boot to a text console (add 3 to the boot line), then add Option NoAccel true to the Device section of /etc/X11/xorg.conf I'm curious whether it's necessary to disable acceleration entirely, or simply revert to the older XAA method. On my Thinkpad X40, the Intel video driver in F10 had significant problems, where the driver on F9 was fine. I could either use XAA or revert to the older driver to get proper rendering. I've attached a minimal xorg.conf. I believe you can save it to /etc/X11 to test each of the options individually. Try disabling accel, and then try using XAA (both options are in the file). Let us know what kind of results you get, and then track down one of the bugzilla reports on this subject (I know a few are open) and add your information. here is the pertinant section of the xorg.conf for my aspire one which has intel gfx, this is on F10 and it works perfectly Section Device Identifier Card0 Driver intel VendorName Intel Corporation BoardName Mobile 945GME Express Integrated Graphics Controller VideoRam229376 OptionMonitorLayout LVDS,VGA OptionClone true OptionAccelMethod EXA OptionMigrationHeuristic greedy OptionCacheLines 1980 BusID PCI:0:2:0 EndSection you haven't by any chance figured out how to get LVDS to use a larger virtual screen - say 1024 x 768 have you? I've been unable to do that on my Aspire One. Craig no sorry craig, i think i remember reading somewhere that the only way to get the Virtual setting to work is to pass the NoAccel true option but i've not tried it would you have NoAccel true instead of AccelMethod EXA ? is that the idea? Craig yeah that's it, let me know if it works out phil -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: xfce 4.6.0 for F9
Kevin Fenzi wrote: On Mon, 02 Mar 2009 22:42:25 + phil happyharrysco1 yahoo co uk wrote: kevin is it major surgery to build xfce 4.6 in F10? as i've literally just finished downloading the full source tarball, (and the graphical installer in case i came up against to much problems lol) and if it's going to be a major hassle i'll just pass for now as my aspire one is running pretty sweet and i don't want to rock the boat, also if your going to build it for F10 i can wait for that ;) F10 shouldn't be too bad. I do have a local repo here, but I haven't updated it yet to the 4.6.0 final packages. Also, I haven't tried to rebuild all the plugins for F10. I can update that and let you know where the repo is if you want to test them? kevin that would be great kevin, just let me know when your repo is ready and i'll get to testing them out :) phil hi kevin, i don't mean to rush you but are you any nearer to having these built for F10? tia phil -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: xfce 4.6.0 for F9
Kevin Fenzi wrote: On Mon, 16 Mar 2009 16:06:18 + psmith johnsmithdo...@googlemail.com wrote: hi kevin, i don't mean to rush you but are you any nearer to having these built for F10? Sorry for the delay... been busy of late. ;( I will try and get something setup this week. tia phil kevin no problem at all for the delay, just whenever your ready :) phil -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: F10 and built-in Intel graphics
Gordon Messmer wrote: M A Young wrote: I recommend that you do a text based install (add text to the boot line), and once you have it installed, boot to a text console (add 3 to the boot line), then add Option NoAccel true to the Device section of /etc/X11/xorg.conf I'm curious whether it's necessary to disable acceleration entirely, or simply revert to the older XAA method. On my Thinkpad X40, the Intel video driver in F10 had significant problems, where the driver on F9 was fine. I could either use XAA or revert to the older driver to get proper rendering. I've attached a minimal xorg.conf. I believe you can save it to /etc/X11 to test each of the options individually. Try disabling accel, and then try using XAA (both options are in the file). Let us know what kind of results you get, and then track down one of the bugzilla reports on this subject (I know a few are open) and add your information. here is the pertinant section of the xorg.conf for my aspire one which has intel gfx, this is on F10 and it works perfectly Section Device Identifier Card0 Driver intel VendorName Intel Corporation BoardName Mobile 945GME Express Integrated Graphics Controller VideoRam229376 OptionMonitorLayout LVDS,VGA OptionClone true OptionAccelMethod EXA OptionMigrationHeuristic greedy OptionCacheLines 1980 BusID PCI:0:2:0 EndSection phil -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: F10 and built-in Intel graphics
Craig White wrote: On Mon, 2009-03-16 at 19:14 +, psmith wrote: Gordon Messmer wrote: M A Young wrote: I recommend that you do a text based install (add text to the boot line), and once you have it installed, boot to a text console (add 3 to the boot line), then add Option NoAccel true to the Device section of /etc/X11/xorg.conf I'm curious whether it's necessary to disable acceleration entirely, or simply revert to the older XAA method. On my Thinkpad X40, the Intel video driver in F10 had significant problems, where the driver on F9 was fine. I could either use XAA or revert to the older driver to get proper rendering. I've attached a minimal xorg.conf. I believe you can save it to /etc/X11 to test each of the options individually. Try disabling accel, and then try using XAA (both options are in the file). Let us know what kind of results you get, and then track down one of the bugzilla reports on this subject (I know a few are open) and add your information. here is the pertinant section of the xorg.conf for my aspire one which has intel gfx, this is on F10 and it works perfectly Section Device Identifier Card0 Driver intel VendorName Intel Corporation BoardName Mobile 945GME Express Integrated Graphics Controller VideoRam229376 OptionMonitorLayout LVDS,VGA OptionClone true OptionAccelMethod EXA OptionMigrationHeuristic greedy OptionCacheLines 1980 BusID PCI:0:2:0 EndSection you haven't by any chance figured out how to get LVDS to use a larger virtual screen - say 1024 x 768 have you? I've been unable to do that on my Aspire One. Craig no sorry craig, i think i remember reading somewhere that the only way to get the Virtual setting to work is to pass the NoAccel true option but i've not tried it phil -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Shell confusion
Dave Bolt IT Solutions wrote: You should not run GUI apps under a root shell. Do: sudo gedit or better yet: sudoedit /etc/the_config.ext Matt Flaschen Only, dave is not in the sudoers file. This incident will be reported. So, I found the sudoers file, but not at all clear about exaclty what I need to put in there. Once again, I have to learn one thing in order to do another. Any help here? Thanks Dave you need to uncomment the #%wheelALL=(ALL)ALL to %wheelALL=(ALL)ALL in the sudoers file, then add your user account to the wheel group using system-config-users phil -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: without a truly working jigdo, re-spins are effectively useless
Robert P. J. Day wrote: as an admittedly frustrated followup from yesterday, i am giving up on jigdo and its variations since, quite simply, at the moment, they don't work. and given that the fedora re-spins explicitly state that they are available currently only via jigdo, that makes those re-spins more than a little useless, wouldn't you say? (i'm going to take someone's advice and try that mock/punji combination and see if that actually functions.) to summarize, trying to build an F10 i386 respin with an original F10 i386 DVD first failed as the corresponding jigdo file had a reference to an out-of-date package (xorg-x11-drv-vmmouse), specifying a version of 12.6.3-1 when most mirrors had already moved on to a newer version of 12.6.3-3, causing jigdo to run through one mirror after another looking for an older version that it was unlikely to find. lesson 1: there's not much value in a jigdo file that's wrong. to correct the above error, it was suggested that i simply edit the jigdo file and fix the problem. possibly, but i don't see why that should be *my* job, and all that's going to do is perhaps get me to the *next* out-of-date reference (whatever that might be). lesson 2: see lesson 1. moving on, even editing the .jigdo file didn't fix the problem because, for some reason, retarting jigdo (and now pointing at the local jigdo file instead of the web URL) still somehow kept looking for the older version of that package. grrr. time to clear the cache? and if jigdo bails somewhere in the middle, should i expect that i can simply resume it where it left off? trying again this morning with the original jigdo file just to reproduce the problem, the process did in fact (through sheer bad(?) luck) find a mirror with an older version of the aforementioned package so it was successful in downloading it. thusly, if this process terminates, i will eventually have a respin that is officially out of date with respect to at least one package. terrific. and, finally, even though i told pyjigdo that, yes, i want it to look under /media where i have the original F10 i386 DVD mounted, it *appears* to be in the process of downloading every one of the required 2303 packages. unlike with jigdo-lite, i didn't see any confirmation after the scan that it found, say, 1505/2303 packages, as i normally get with jigdo-lite. perhaps it did -- i have no way of knowing. in any event, i'm giving this one more try but, at this point, i don't see the value in investing a lot more time in this. it would be nice if the folks at fedoraunity at least *tested* their re-spin process before letting it loose on the public to waste copious amounts of time. rday -- Robert P. J. Day Linux Consulting, Training and Annoying Kernel Pedantry: Have classroom, will lecture. http://crashcourse.ca Waterloo, Ontario, CANADA why not just download the respin over torrent? http://spins.fedoraunity.org/unity/torrent-files-fedora-10-20090210-re-spin -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: without a truly working jigdo, re-spins are effectively useless
Robert P. J. Day wrote: On Wed, 11 Mar 2009, psmith wrote: Robert P. J. Day wrote: ... bitch bitch bitch whine whine whine ... :-) why not just download the respin over torrent? http://spins.fedoraunity.org/unity/torrent-files-fedora-10-20090210-re-spin while that is *a* solution, it still requires more bandwidth than jigdo should use. i'm just saying that, if fedora proposes a particular download technique, it should at least work. rday p.s. for some corporate environments (like mine), jigdo is acceptable through the corporate firewall, while bittorrent isn't. so i don't have that choice. Robert P. J. Day Linux Consulting, Training and Annoying Kernel Pedantry: Have classroom, will lecture. http://crashcourse.ca Waterloo, Ontario, CANADA well my solution was to setup a local repo using the F10 dvd as a source, then use revisor with a modified arch.conf file with the local repo having priority over everything but updates, and a kickstart set for whatever arch your building for. this way you only download the updated packages and make the install media for the arch of your choice phil -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: removing autorun from a flash drive
Marc Wilson wrote: On Sun, Mar 08, 2009 at 03:36:02PM -0500, Michael Hennebry wrote: If I need a different drive, how, if at all, do I recognize one without an autorun.inf? shrug Don't buy one with the U3 label. It's not like the thing wasn't plainly marked. you know it's very easy to remove the u3 part of the drive, have a look on the us website as they even have an app to do it for you ;) http://www.u3.com/support/default.aspx#CQ3 phil -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: F10 updates breaking things
Michael Schwendt wrote: On Sun, 8 Mar 2009 23:50:20 +, Alan wrote: Keyboard stuff has a bug in bugzilla if you search and a workaround, so its known but not yet fixed. Very annoying bug, shouldn't have gotten past the developer (but shouldn't have gotten past testing either which isn't the developers fault ...) That's a strange conclusion. There is this libgxim update, https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/F10/FEDORA-2009-2238 which went directly into stable without spending any time in updates-testing at all. Same for the update that fixes it: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/F10/FEDORA-2009-2337 isn't there policies in place to stop crap like this from happening? like a minimum amount of time in testing or minimum amount of good karma? phil -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
