Re: How do I get sound in GNOME without pulseaudio
On Mon, 2009-08-17 at 19:27 -0700, stan wrote: On Sun, 16 Aug 2009 21:21:59 +0200 lars.bjorn...@broadpark.no (Lars Bjørndal) wrote: Dear list Could you please advice me in how to get sound within GNOME without pulseaudio, e.g. with ALSA/ESD? I don't think this is possible anymore. I am not an expert at this but I believe that pulse is so closely integrated with Gnome now that it requires pulse in order to generate sounds. I know that if I use something from Gnome that needs sound, pulse is automatically started even though I have it disabled. I think this is the culprit. /usr/libexec/pulse/gconf-helper Can you afford to install a cheap sound card that you can give over exclusively to pulse, and remove your existing card from it's purview? Or vice versa. Then you use one card for orca and espeak, and let pulse use the other for Gnome to produce system sounds. It's my experiennce that removing alsa-plugind-pulseaudio disables pulseaudio and you are back to just alsa. Running alsamixer leads me to that conclusion. -- === Today is the first day of the rest of your lossage. === Aaron Konstam telephone: (210) 656-0355 e-mail: akons...@sbcglobal.net -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: How do I get sound in GNOME without pulseaudio
On Tue, 2009-08-18 at 08:31 -0500, Aaron Konstam wrote: It's my experiennce that removing alsa-plugind-pulseaudio disables pulseaudio and you are back to just alsa. Running alsamixer leads me to that conclusion. Do you mean that alsamixer says something about how it's running, or that playing with the mixer levels in alsamixer leads you to that conclusion? Alsamixer just plays with the mixer controls, turning up/down PCM, CD, or other audio signals, still works even when pulseaudio is on your system. You're just adjusting the signals part way through the chain. -- [...@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.25-78.2.56.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: How do I get sound in GNOME without pulseaudio
Aaron Konstam akons...@sbcglobal.net writes: On Mon, 2009-08-17 at 19:27 -0700, stan wrote: On Sun, 16 Aug 2009 21:21:59 +0200 lars.bjorn...@broadpark.no (Lars Bjørndal) wrote: Dear list Could you please advice me in how to get sound within GNOME without pulseaudio, e.g. with ALSA/ESD? I don't think this is possible anymore. I am not an expert at this but I believe that pulse is so closely integrated with Gnome now that it requires pulse in order to generate sounds. I know that if I use something from Gnome that needs sound, pulse is automatically started even though I have it disabled. I think this is the culprit. /usr/libexec/pulse/gconf-helper Can you afford to install a cheap sound card that you can give over exclusively to pulse, and remove your existing card from it's purview? Or vice versa. Then you use one card for orca and espeak, and let pulse use the other for Gnome to produce system sounds. It's my experiennce that removing alsa-plugind-pulseaudio disables pulseaudio and you are back to just alsa. Running alsamixer leads me to that conclusion. Thank you! That solved my problems. Lars -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: How do I get sound in GNOME without pulseaudio
On Tue, 2009-08-18 at 23:59 +0930, Tim wrote: On Tue, 2009-08-18 at 08:31 -0500, Aaron Konstam wrote: It's my experiennce that removing alsa-plugind-pulseaudio disables pulseaudio and you are back to just alsa. Running alsamixer leads me to that conclusion. Do you mean that alsamixer says something about how it's running, or that playing with the mixer levels in alsamixer leads you to that conclusion? Alsamixer just plays with the mixer controls, turning up/down PCM, CD, or other audio signals, still works even when pulseaudio is on your system. You're just adjusting the signals part way through the chain. Because if you run alsamixer when pulseaudio is running you get only one column whose volume you can manipulate (that is the Master) and the display says puylseaudio is running. If you remove alsa-plugins-pulseaudio and run alsmixewr you get a very different display where the levels of each sound source can be manipulated (CD. PCM, etc). It is clear that pulseaudio is not effectively running. -- === 40 isn't old. If you're a tree. === Aaron Konstam telephone: (210) 656-0355 e-mail: akons...@sbcglobal.net -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: How do I get sound in GNOME without pulseaudio
Aaron Konstam wrote: On Tue, 2009-08-18 at 23:59 +0930, Tim wrote: Do you mean that alsamixer says something about how it's running, or that playing with the mixer levels in alsamixer leads you to that conclusion? Alsamixer just plays with the mixer controls, turning up/down PCM, CD, or other audio signals, still works even when pulseaudio is on your system. You're just adjusting the signals part way through the chain. Because if you run alsamixer when pulseaudio is running you get only one column whose volume you can manipulate (that is the Master) and the display says puylseaudio is running. If you remove alsa-plugins-pulseaudio and run alsmixewr you get a very different display where the levels of each sound source can be manipulated (CD. PCM, etc). It is clear that pulseaudio is not effectively running. Funny, when I run it, I get the Alsa mixer, even though I have Pulse Audio running. But I guess that is because the Alsa mixer was the one that I was using the last time I closed the mixer, and it remembers the last state it was in. In your case, it can not display the PA mixer if PA isn't running, so you get the Alsa one. But you can change the mixer you get by opening the drop-down menu to the right of where it says Device:. I actually have a choice of two different Alsa mixers - one for the sounds card, and one for the TV card. Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: How do I get sound in GNOME without pulseaudio
On Sun, 16 Aug 2009 21:21:59 +0200 lars.bjorn...@broadpark.no (Lars Bjørndal) wrote: Dear list Could you please advice me in how to get sound within GNOME without pulseaudio, e.g. with ALSA/ESD? I don't think this is possible anymore. I am not an expert at this but I believe that pulse is so closely integrated with Gnome now that it requires pulse in order to generate sounds. I know that if I use something from Gnome that needs sound, pulse is automatically started even though I have it disabled. I think this is the culprit. /usr/libexec/pulse/gconf-helper Can you afford to install a cheap sound card that you can give over exclusively to pulse, and remove your existing card from it's purview? Or vice versa. Then you use one card for orca and espeak, and let pulse use the other for Gnome to produce system sounds. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
How do I get sound in GNOME without pulseaudio
Dear list Could you please advice me in how to get sound within GNOME without pulseaudio, e.g. with ALSA/ESD? I'm using Fedora 11 with all updates installed. If I do 'yum groupinstall Gnome Desktop Environment, GNOME works with the screen reader orca and espeak (I need the screen reader because I'm blind). If I then do 'yum remove pulseaudio', 6 packages is beeing uninstalled, and I cannot get any sound from within GNOME. How do I fix that (other than reinstaling pulse, of couse)? Lars -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
