Re: How many people need to use the proprietary nvidia driver ? (Or other non kms driver ?)
On 12/22/2009 09:21 PM, Linuxguy123 wrote: Please reply if you need to ( ie must) use the proprietary nvidia driver instead of the nouveau driver. Or some other video driver that doesn't support kernel mode switching. DON'T reply otherwise, I don't want to hear a debate on the free versions versus proprietary or anything else. If you are using the proprietary nvidia driver or some other non kms equipped driver, how are you finding F12 ? Ie do you experience freezing when you access some panel items ? Thanks I tried the Nouveau driver on a new laptop but it didn't support 3D for Stellarium or games. I see that there is some open source 3D but I couldn't find the rpm. When there is an RPM I will try it. (Gallium) I have an old laptop that is running the Nouveau driver but it's response is slower than under F7. I will test the Nvidia driver and if it responds faster, then I will leave it on. (Multimedia) At work I need 3D support. Desktop at home needs 3D support. 4 machines - 3 Nvidia 1 Nouveau (for now) -- Robin Laing -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: How many people need to use the proprietary nvidia driver ? (Or other non kms driver ?)
On 12/22/2009 11:21 PM, Linuxguy123 wrote: Please reply if you need to ( ie must) use the proprietary nvidia driver instead of the nouveau driver. Yes, TV-Out for MythDora. Not on F12 yet, but that's in the works. It's frustrating enough that I'd switch video cards if there was decent free driver support. -Bill -- Bill McGonigle, Owner BFC Computing, LLC http://bfccomputing.com/ Telephone: +1.603.448.4440 Email, IM, VOIP: b...@bfccomputing.com VCard: http://bfccomputing.com/vcard/bill.vcf Social networks: bill_mcgonigle/bill.mcgonigle -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: [fedora] Re: How many people need to use the proprietary nvidia driver ? (Or other non kms driver ?)
On Mon, Jan 04, 2010 at 03:08:39PM +0100, steven bellens wrote: 2010/1/4 Dave Martin darkm...@vt.edu: On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 09:21:18PM -0700, Linuxguy123 wrote: Please reply if you need to ( ie must) use the proprietary nvidia driver instead of the nouveau driver. Or some other video driver that doesn't support kernel mode switching. DON'T reply otherwise, I don't want to hear a debate on the free versions versus proprietary or anything else. If you are using the proprietary nvidia driver or some other non kms equipped driver, how are you finding F12 ? ?Ie do you experience freezing when you access some panel items ? I wish I could use the proprietary driver. ?But there isn't one yet. There is: http://www.mjmwired.net/resources/mjm-fedora-nvidia.html#nvidia_driver_versions Silly me. I was using their search function. I'm running with it now. It did fix the blender issue. I haven't turned Compiz on yet. Thanks. -- Dave - Nobody believed that I could build a space station here. So I built it anyway. It sank into the vortex. So I built another one. It sank into the vortex. The third station burned down, fell over then sank into the vortex. The fourth station just vanished. And the fifth station, THAT stayed! -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: How many people need to use the proprietary nvidia driver ? (Or other non kms driver ?)
Linuxguy123 linuxguy...@gmail.com writes: Please reply if you need to ( ie must) use the proprietary nvidia driver instead of the nouveau driver. I tried (and aborted) an upgrade from FC6 to F12. The Nouveau driver didn't support my second GPU card, and I had a %*$ of a time getting it to let me install the nvidia driver. Unfortunately, the nvidia driver didn't work either - HUGE delays in X events, kernel/vga/whatever problems, etc. After four hours I gave up and restored FC6. Yes, I did try the rawhide kernel too. For the record: I have a pair of 9800 GT 512MB. The primary card drives a Dell 3008WFP (2560x1600 landscape) and a Dell 2001FP (1600x1200 landscape). The secondary card drives a pair of Dell 2001FPs (1200x1600 portrait). I currently use nvidia's proprietary driver with Xinerama - no RandR, no compiz :( -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: How many people need to use the proprietary nvidia driver ? (Or other non kms driver ?)
Colin == Colin Paul Adams co...@colina.demon.co.uk writes: Linuxguy123 == Linuxguy123 linuxguy...@gmail.com writes: Linuxguy123 Please reply if you need to ( ie must) use the Linuxguy123 proprietary nvidia driver instead of the nouveau Linuxguy123 driver. Linuxguy123 DON'T reply otherwise, I don't want to hear a debate Linuxguy123 on the free versions versus proprietary or anything Linuxguy123 else. Colin Stellarium won't work otherwise (it requires 3D Colin acceleration). Linuxguy123 If you are using the proprietary nvidia driver or Linuxguy123 some other non kms equipped driver, how are you Linuxguy123 finding F12 ? Ie do you experience freezing when you Linuxguy123 access some panel items ? Colin No such problems for me. -- Colin Adams Preston Lancashire One problem I do have (and I'm guessing it's related to the proprietary driver), is that if I try to switch to a non-X console (using Ctrl-Alt-Fn), then all I see is a mass of linear colours. -- Colin Adams Preston Lancashire -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: How many people need to use the proprietary nvidia driver ? (Or other non kms driver ?)
On Fri, 2009-12-25 at 07:42 -0600, Mike Chambers wrote: Do/did you notice that your screen appeared a tad bigger once you went to the propr. driver? As in, your fonts (evolution as example) appear smaller than before? Im not sure I understand the question. Obviously if you are running at higher res, the same font appears to be smaller. Lower res makes the font look bigger. If you are talking about the console screen rather than the X screen, that is influenced by a lot of different things, including the video driver you are using, but not by your X configuration. --Greg -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: How many people need to use the proprietary nvidia driver ? (Or other non kms driver ?)
On 12/22/2009 10:21 PM, Linuxguy123 wrote: Please reply if you need to ( ie must) use the proprietary nvidia driver instead of the nouveau driver. Or some other video driver that doesn't support kernel mode switching. DON'T reply otherwise, I don't want to hear a debate on the free versions versus proprietary or anything else. If you are using the proprietary nvidia driver or some other non kms equipped driver, how are you finding F12 ? Ie do you experience freezing when you access some panel items ? Thanks I use the proprietary driver. I hate that I have to, but in order to use the full capabilities of my video card I have to. It was a bit of a challenge to make it work but nothing insurmountable. I've had no problems on my end. Thomas -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: How many people need to use the proprietary nvidia driver ? (Or other non kms driver ?)
On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 07:28:56 -0700, Greg Woods wo...@ucar.edu wrote: At work, I have an old Dell monitor that doesn't do EDID, and I can't get nouveau to do anything better than 1024x768 on it even if I use system-config-display to tell it that the monitor is a 1920x1080 flat panel (which it is). The proprietary driver doesn't do full HD either, but at least I can get it up to 1280. On this machine, I do get periodic freezes, where the mouse pointer still moves around the screen, but clicking or typing have no effect. Only a hard reset/reboot fixes this. Any mention of this immediately gets fingers pointed at the proprietary driver, so I am kind of stuck on this one. I just have to get a newer monitor I guess. In recent releases some default mode lines stopped being generated, so that just requesting a higher resolution in your xorg.conf file won't work. You also need to define appropriate mode lines as well. You can use cvt (or a couple of other programs) to generate mode lines that won't fry your hardware and add them to your xorg.conf file. I have a couple of monitors that I need to do that with. For example: # Xorg configuration created by system-config-display Section ServerLayout Identifier single head configuration Screen 0 Screen0 0 0 InputDeviceKeyboard0 CoreKeyboard EndSection Section InputDevice # keyboard added by system-config-display Identifier Keyboard0 Driver kbd Option XkbModel pc105+inet Option XkbLayout us EndSection Section Monitor Identifier Monitor0 ModelNameNEC MultiSync LCD2010X HorizSync31.0 - 80.0 VertRefresh 56.0 - 85.0 Modeline 1280x1024_70.00 129.00 1280 1368 1504 1728 1024 1027 1034 1069 -hsync +vsync Option dpms EndSection Section Device Identifier Videocard0 Driver nouveau EndSection Section Screen Identifier Screen0 Device Videocard0 MonitorMonitor0 DefaultDepth 24 SubSection Display Viewport 0 0 Virtual 1280 1024 Depth 24 Modes 1280x1024_70.00 EndSubSection EndSection -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: How many people need to use the proprietary nvidia driver ? (Or other non kms driver ?)
On Wed, 2009-12-23 at 07:28 -0700, Greg Woods wrote: I use the proprietary Nvidia driver on two different workstations under F12, one at home and one at work, for two different reasons. At home, I have a MythTV server and my desktop is a front end, so I need VDPAU. I also have some 3D games, so I need 3D. Neither of those is supported by nouveau. I have no display-related problems with this machine. I have another machine that is mostly a server that uses the same relatively new Dell monitor, and so I just use nouveau on that machine (don't need 3D or VDPAU). It happily does full HD resolution without problems. Do/did you notice that your screen appeared a tad bigger once you went to the propr. driver? As in, your fonts (evolution as example) appear smaller than before? -- Mike Chambers Madisonville, KY Best lil town on Earth! -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: How many people need to use the proprietary nvidia driver ? (Or other non kms driver ?)
I used akmod-nvidia on Fedora 12 for 3D but the screen resolution is glunky compared to Fedora 12. Could not install the proprietary nvidia driver. For instance, I am trialling Varicad in F12 and it looks average, large icons, mouse movements average, but Blender 2.49 works well. In Fedora 11 Varicad works and looks very nice, small icons, snappy movement, very clean. Screen resolution in both F11 and F12 is set the same. I use Geforce 8600GT video card. Generally everything else worked well in F12. Roger On 12/24/2009 05:17 PM, Anuar, Nuhairi wrote: Please reply if you need to ( ie must) use the proprietary nvidia driver instead of the nouveau driver. Yes, I must use proprietary driver. Nouveau is too slow for my machine. If you are using the proprietary nvidia driver or some other non kms equipped driver, how are you finding F12 ? Ie do you experience freezing when you access some panel items ? It works fine on F11 but crashed a few time on F12. BTW, my card is Nvidia 9800gtx+. -Original Message- From: Linuxguy123 [mailto:linuxguy...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2009 12:21 PM To: fedora-list@redhat.com Subject: How many people need to use the proprietary nvidia driver ? (Or other non kms driver ?) Please reply if you need to ( ie must) use the proprietary nvidia driver instead of the nouveau driver. Or some other video driver that doesn't support kernel mode switching. DON'T reply otherwise, I don't want to hear a debate on the free versions versus proprietary or anything else. If you are using the proprietary nvidia driver or some other non kms equipped driver, how are you finding F12 ? Ie do you experience freezing when you access some panel items ? Thanks -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: How many people need to use the proprietary nvidia driver ? (Or other non kms driver ?)
On 12/23/2009 09:53 AM, Andrew Haley wrote: On 12/23/2009 04:21 AM, Linuxguy123 wrote: Please reply if you need to ( ie must) use the proprietary nvidia driver instead of the nouveau driver. Or some other video driver that doesn't support kernel mode switching. DON'T reply otherwise, I don't want to hear a debate on the free versions versus proprietary or anything else. I'm still using the proprietary driver because I need full dual-link DVI support at 2560x1600 resolution. I haven't found a free driver that can do that. Actually, I withdraw that comment. I just installed F12 with all the updates and I don't need the proprietary nvidia driver. Big congrats to the developers: one more piece of unfree software I no longer need. Andrew. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: How many people need to use the proprietary nvidia driver ? (Or other non kms driver ?)
On 12/23/2009 03:21 PM, Linuxguy123 wrote: Please reply if you need to ( ie must) use the proprietary nvidia driver instead of the nouveau driver. If you are using the proprietary nvidia driver or some other non kms equipped driver, how are you finding F12 ? Ie do you experience freezing when you access some panel items ? I use kmod-nvidia in Fedora 11 and akmod-nvidia in Fedora 12 because Nouveau is useless for 3D applications like Blender and Varicad. Roger -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: How many people need to use the proprietary nvidia driver ? (Or other non kms driver ?)
2009/12/23 Roger are...@bigpond.com: On 12/23/2009 03:21 PM, Linuxguy123 wrote: Please reply if you need to ( ie must) use the proprietary nvidia driver instead of the nouveau driver. If you are using the proprietary nvidia driver or some other non kms equipped driver, how are you finding F12 ? Ie do you experience freezing when you access some panel items ? I use the proprietary nvidia driver with Fedora core 12 KDE. After installing I experienced desktop freezing when accessing the KDE menu, which was solved rather quickly by applying the fix of Rex Dieter: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=533620. I had no problems whatsover with the driver combined with KDE afterwards. Steven I use kmod-nvidia in Fedora 11 and akmod-nvidia in Fedora 12 because Nouveau is useless for 3D applications like Blender and Varicad. Roger -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: How many people need to use the proprietary nvidia driver ? (Or other non kms driver ?)
I use whatever Fedora uses when it is run in a Qemu/KVM virtual machine. If I recall correctly, this driver has not yet gained KVM capabilities. I wonder why KMS support has been so slow to appear for the simplest devices. 2009/12/23, steven bellens bellensste...@gmail.com: 2009/12/23 Roger are...@bigpond.com: On 12/23/2009 03:21 PM, Linuxguy123 wrote: Please reply if you need to ( ie must) use the proprietary nvidia driver instead of the nouveau driver. If you are using the proprietary nvidia driver or some other non kms equipped driver, how are you finding F12 ? Ie do you experience freezing when you access some panel items ? I use the proprietary nvidia driver with Fedora core 12 KDE. After installing I experienced desktop freezing when accessing the KDE menu, which was solved rather quickly by applying the fix of Rex Dieter: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=533620. I had no problems whatsover with the driver combined with KDE afterwards. Steven I use kmod-nvidia in Fedora 11 and akmod-nvidia in Fedora 12 because Nouveau is useless for 3D applications like Blender and Varicad. Roger -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines -- Joonas Sarajärvi mue...@gmail.com -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: How many people need to use the proprietary nvidia driver ? (Or other non kms driver ?)
On 12/23/2009 04:21 AM, Linuxguy123 wrote: Please reply if you need to ( ie must) use the proprietary nvidia driver instead of the nouveau driver. Or some other video driver that doesn't support kernel mode switching. DON'T reply otherwise, I don't want to hear a debate on the free versions versus proprietary or anything else. I'm still using the proprietary driver because I need full dual-link DVI support at 2560x1600 resolution. I haven't found a free driver that can do that. Andrew. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: How many people need to use the proprietary nvidia driver ? (Or other non kms driver ?)
On 12/23/2009 03:21 PM, Linuxguy123 wrote: Please reply if you need to ( ie must) use the proprietary nvidia driver instead of the nouveau driver. If you are using the proprietary nvidia driver or some other non kms equipped driver, how are you finding F12 ? Ie do you experience freezing when you access some panel items ? Nouveau driver will cause X to freeze my system (HP s3707c w/ onboard GeForce 9100), with rebooting being the only option. No problems at all with the proprietary nvidia driver. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: How many people need to use the proprietary nvidia driver ? (Or other non kms driver ?)
Linuxguy123 == Linuxguy123 linuxguy...@gmail.com writes: Linuxguy123 Please reply if you need to ( ie must) use the Linuxguy123 proprietary nvidia driver instead of the nouveau Linuxguy123 driver. Linuxguy123 DON'T reply otherwise, I don't want to hear a debate Linuxguy123 on the free versions versus proprietary or anything Linuxguy123 else. Stellarium won't work otherwise (it requires 3D acceleration). Linuxguy123 If you are using the proprietary nvidia driver or Linuxguy123 some other non kms equipped driver, how are you Linuxguy123 finding F12 ? Ie do you experience freezing when you Linuxguy123 access some panel items ? No such problems for me. -- Colin Adams Preston Lancashire -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: How many people need to use the proprietary nvidia driver ? (Or other non kms driver ?)
On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 10:21 PM, Linuxguy123 linuxguy...@gmail.com wrote: Please reply if you need to ( ie must) use the proprietary nvidia driver instead of the nouveau driver. Or some other video driver that doesn't support kernel mode switching. DON'T reply otherwise, I don't want to hear a debate on the free versions versus proprietary or anything else. If you are using the proprietary nvidia driver or some other non kms equipped driver, how are you finding F12 ? Ie do you experience freezing when you access some panel items ? I use the akmods from rpmfusion on 3 systems without issue. Although KMS is pretty, I get close enough with the vga=0x318 kernel parameter. No freezing of any sort noticed under Gnome. Richard -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: How many people need to use the proprietary nvidia driver ? (Or other non kms driver ?)
Around 04:21am on Wednesday, December 23, 2009 (UK time), Linuxguy123 scrawled: DON'T reply otherwise, I don't want to hear a debate on the free versions versus proprietary or anything else. Please sir, can I have permission to post something. I know you are in charge and that this mailing list is run soley for your benefit. -- (o www.stevesearle.com //\ Powered by Fedora V_/_No MS products were used in the creation of this message 13:12:37 up 18 days, 12:39, 1 user, load average: 0.05, 0.02, 0.00 pgpDuxp7LHteA.pgp Description: PGP signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
RE: How many people need to use the proprietary NVIDIA driver ? (Or other non kms driver ?)
I have used the proprietary driver for its superb handling of 3D acceleration over nouveau. However, with the release of 2.6.33 near, I may give Nouveau as it now supports KMS (It may have in the past I'm not quite sure). Dan -Original Message- From: fedora-list-boun...@redhat.com [mailto:fedora-list- boun...@redhat.com] On Behalf Of Steven I Usdansky Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2009 5:40 AM To: Community assistance, encouragement, and advice for using Fedora. Subject: Re: How many people need to use the proprietary nvidia driver ? (Or other non kms driver ?) On 12/23/2009 03:21 PM, Linuxguy123 wrote: Please reply if you need to ( ie must) use the proprietary nvidia driver instead of the nouveau driver. If you are using the proprietary nvidia driver or some other non kms equipped driver, how are you finding F12 ? Ie do you experience freezing when you access some panel items ? Nouveau driver will cause X to freeze my system (HP s3707c w/ onboard GeForce 9100), with rebooting being the only option. No problems at all with the proprietary nvidia driver. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: How many people need to use the proprietary nvidia driver ? (Or other non kms driver ?)
On Tue, 2009-12-22 at 21:21 -0700, Linuxguy123 wrote: Please reply if you need to ( ie must) use the proprietary nvidia driver instead of the nouveau driver. I use the proprietary Nvidia driver on two different workstations under F12, one at home and one at work, for two different reasons. At home, I have a MythTV server and my desktop is a front end, so I need VDPAU. I also have some 3D games, so I need 3D. Neither of those is supported by nouveau. I have no display-related problems with this machine. I have another machine that is mostly a server that uses the same relatively new Dell monitor, and so I just use nouveau on that machine (don't need 3D or VDPAU). It happily does full HD resolution without problems. At work, I have an old Dell monitor that doesn't do EDID, and I can't get nouveau to do anything better than 1024x768 on it even if I use system-config-display to tell it that the monitor is a 1920x1080 flat panel (which it is). The proprietary driver doesn't do full HD either, but at least I can get it up to 1280. On this machine, I do get periodic freezes, where the mouse pointer still moves around the screen, but clicking or typing have no effect. Only a hard reset/reboot fixes this. Any mention of this immediately gets fingers pointed at the proprietary driver, so I am kind of stuck on this one. I just have to get a newer monitor I guess. The two machines are both i386 32-bit, but they are not identical. The work machine is a Core Duo, and the home machine is a dual core Pentium-4. So I guess I would say that my results are mixed. --Greg -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: How many people need to use the proprietary nvidia driver ? (Or other non kms driver ?)
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Please reply if you need to ( ie must) use the proprietary nvidia driver instead of the nouveau driver. Or some other video driver that doesn't support kernel mode switching. DON'T reply otherwise, I don't want to hear a debate on the free versions versus proprietary or anything else. If you are using the proprietary nvidia driver or some other non kms equipped driver, how are you finding F12 ? Ie do you experience freezing when you access some panel items ? Thanks I use the kmod-nvidia driver at rpm fusion. I need it for Quake 4 and my SNES emulator. ... God, I'm addicted to Linux gaming. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: How many people need to use the proprietary NVIDIA driver ? (Or other non kms driver ?)
On 12/23/2009 07:54 PM, Dan Burkland wrote: I have used the proprietary driver for its superb handling of 3D acceleration over nouveau. However, with the release of 2.6.33 near, I may give Nouveau as it now supports KMS (It may have in the past I'm not quite sure). Dan http://skeggsb.livejournal.com/568.html Nouveau in Fedora 12 has support for KMS. It is very the same codebase that has been merged in 2.6.23 now. The proprietary Nvidia driver doesn't support KMS. KMS is not just pretty bootup btw. Refer to http://keithp.com/blog/kernel-mode-drivers/ Rahul -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: How many people need to use the proprietary nvidia driver ? (Or other non kms driver ?)
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Please reply if you need to ( ie must) use the proprietary nvidia driver instead of the nouveau driver. Or some other video driver that doesn't support kernel mode switching. DON'T reply otherwise, I don't want to hear a debate on the free versions versus proprietary or anything else. If you are using the proprietary nvidia driver or some other non kms equipped driver, how are you finding F12 ? Ie do you experience freezing when you access some panel items ? Thanks I use the kmod-nvidia driver at rpm fusion. I need it for Quake 4 and my SNES emulator. ... God, I'm addicted to Linux gaming. Oh crud. Forgot to mention I'm using Fedora 11 (GREAT SYSTEM BTW). I'm too scared to upgrade to Fedora 12. I don't want to go into withdrawal from my SNES emulator or Quake 4. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
RE: How many people need to use the proprietary NVIDIA driver ? (Or other non kms driver ?)
On Wed, 2009-12-23 at 08:24 -0600, Dan Burkland wrote: On 12/23/2009 03:21 PM, Linuxguy123 wrote: Please reply if you need to ( ie must) use the proprietary nvidia driver instead of the nouveau driver. If you are using the proprietary nvidia driver or some other non kms equipped driver, how are you finding F12 ? Ie do you experience freezing when you access some panel items ? Nouveau driver will cause X to freeze my system (HP s3707c w/ onboard GeForce 9100), with rebooting being the only option. No problems at all with the proprietary nvidia driver. edited to restore content in bottom posting style... I have used the proprietary driver for its superb handling of 3D acceleration over nouveau. However, with the release of 2.6.33 near, I may give Nouveau as it now supports KMS (It may have in the past I'm not quite sure). Dan I'm using the proprietary driver on F12 (from RPMFusion) with nouveau blacklisted according to other posts. I also upgraded to the patched version of xorg currently on Koji that fixes issues with the proprietary driver and X. Everything works much better than with the current nouveau driver. True 3D support is _far_ more important to me (and my kids who plat a lot of opengl based games - Extreme Tux Racer for example) than having a Plymouth/kms based bootup. I also need the accelerated graphics to fully support accelerated graphics with VMware Workstation 7. The proprietary nVidia drivers support this in Workstation. The nouveau drivers don't. The graphical startup is certainly nice, but sacrificing hours of performance issues and enduring the loss of useful and needed function for a targetd 20 seconds Plymouth prettiness just doesn't cut it for me. I'll live with 20 seconds of the little blue/white bootup lines instead. If and when nouveau provides the level of 3D performance and stability found in the proprietary driver, I will consider making the switch... Cheers, Chris -- = You see things as they are and ask, 'Why?' I dream things as they never were and ask, 'Why not?' -- George Bernard Shaw -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
RE: How many people need to use the proprietary NVIDIA driver ? (Or other non kms driver ?)
Thanks for the link, it was an interesting read. Looks like I'll be doing some testing this week :) Dan -Original Message- From: fedora-list-boun...@redhat.com [mailto:fedora-list- boun...@redhat.com] On Behalf Of Rahul Sundaram Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2009 8:47 AM To: fedora-list@redhat.com Subject: Re: How many people need to use the proprietary NVIDIA driver ? (Or other non kms driver ?) On 12/23/2009 07:54 PM, Dan Burkland wrote: I have used the proprietary driver for its superb handling of 3D acceleration over nouveau. However, with the release of 2.6.33 near, I may give Nouveau as it now supports KMS (It may have in the past I'm not quite sure). Dan http://skeggsb.livejournal.com/568.html Nouveau in Fedora 12 has support for KMS. It is very the same codebase that has been merged in 2.6.23 now. The proprietary Nvidia driver doesn't support KMS. KMS is not just pretty bootup btw. Refer to http://keithp.com/blog/kernel-mode-drivers/ Rahul -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: How many people need to use the proprietary nvidia driver ? (Or other non kms driver ?)
On Wednesday 23 December 2009 07:46:17 Dennis Mattingly wrote: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Please reply if you need to ( ie must) use the proprietary nvidia driver instead of the nouveau driver. Or some other video driver that doesn't support kernel mode switching. DON'T reply otherwise, I don't want to hear a debate on the free versions versus proprietary or anything else. If you are using the proprietary nvidia driver or some other non kms equipped driver, how are you finding F12 ? Ie do you experience freezing when you access some panel items ? Thanks I use the kmod-nvidia driver at rpm fusion. I need it for Quake 4 and my SNES emulator. ... God, I'm addicted to Linux gaming. I use the kmod-nvidia driver as well, it works the best for me. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: How many people need to use the proprietary nvidia driver ? (Or other non kms driver ?)
Linuxguy123 wrote: Please reply if you need to ( ie must) use the proprietary nvidia driver instead of the nouveau driver. Or some other video driver that doesn't support kernel mode switching. DON'T reply otherwise, I don't want to hear a debate on the free versions versus proprietary or anything else. If you are using the proprietary nvidia driver or some other non kms equipped driver, how are you finding F12 ? Ie do you experience freezing when you access some panel items ? Yes. Just getting F12 going after many adventures. nouveau was total disaster, nv limps. Five systems with three generations of NVIDIA cards. Robert McBroom -- View this message in context: http://old.nabble.com/How-many-people-need-to-use-the-proprietary-nvidia-driver---%28Or-other-non-kms-driver--%29-tp26897982p26904361.html Sent from the Fedora List mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: How many people need to use the proprietary nvidia driver ? (Or other non kms driver ?)
On 12/23/2009 08:14:01 AM, Kevin Kempter wrote: I use the kmod-nvidia driver as well, it works the best for me. I as well. I need 3 D capabilities from time to time. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: How many people need to use the proprietary nvidia driver ? (Or other non kms driver ?)
I'm still using the proprietary driver because I need full dual-link DVI support at 2560x1600 resolution. I haven't found a free driver that can do that. Andrew. Same here Dual-Link DVI. Although the nouveau drivers don't seem to work on laptop either so I have to proprietary there to. On the desktop haven't got Compiz to work with the proprietary drivers just seg faults :-( -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: How many people need to use the proprietary nvidia driver ? (Or other non kms driver ?)
Andy Campbell wrote: I'm still using the proprietary driver because I need full dual-link DVI support at 2560x1600 resolution. I haven't found a free driver that can do that. Also only the proprietary driver allows the use of CUDA -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: How many people need to use the proprietary nvidia driver ? (Or other non kms driver ?)
2009/12/23 Linuxguy123 linuxguy...@gmail.com: Please reply if you need to ( ie must) use the proprietary nvidia driver instead of the nouveau driver. Define must. I use the driver from rpmfusion, not because I must, but because I choose to. I have dual monitors at work, driven by an NVidia NVS 290. It does work on F12 with nouveau as I tried it. But I lose 3D acceleration which I like (not need) because I find that some of the Compiz effects actually speed my workflow. (things like window previews are reasonably useful when you have tens of terminals or browser windows open) I would say that I need to use the proprietary driver, because it improves my work - but there is no technical necessity. If you are using the proprietary nvidia driver or some other non kms equipped driver, how are you finding F12 ? Ie do you experience freezing when you access some panel items ? I have no problems in this area. I find the rpmfusion provided driver more stable for what I want to do than nouveau. -- Sam -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: How many people need to use the proprietary nvidia driver ? (Or other non kms driver ?)
On Wednesday 23 December 2009, Kevin Kempter wrote: On Wednesday 23 December 2009 07:46:17 Dennis Mattingly wrote: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Please reply if you need to ( ie must) use the proprietary nvidia driver instead of the nouveau driver. Or some other video driver that doesn't support kernel mode switching. DON'T reply otherwise, I don't want to hear a debate on the free versions versus proprietary or anything else. If you are using the proprietary nvidia driver or some other non kms equipped driver, how are you finding F12 ? Ie do you experience freezing when you access some panel items ? Thanks I use the kmod-nvidia driver at rpm fusion. I need it for Quake 4 and my SNES emulator. ... God, I'm addicted to Linux gaming. I use the kmod-nvidia driver as well, it works the best for me. Unforch that marries you to a distribution kernel that may be 2-3 releases old. So I use an ATI card, and radeonhd in 2.6.32 runs it slowly but trashy. TANSTAAFL. -- Cheers, Gene There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order. -Ed Howdershelt (Author) I used to work in a fire hydrant factory. You couldn't park anywhere near the place. -- Steven Wright -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: How many people need to use the proprietary nvidia driver, ? (Or other non kms driver ?)
I just love Compiz, so I need 3D, so I need the proprietary driver. I haven't had any problems using the proprietary driver with F12, although I was tempted to just use nouveau since, for the first time, I had a decent display available immediately after installing. Hugh 2009/12/23 Linuxguy123linuxguy...@gmail.com: Please reply if you need to ( ie must) use the proprietary nvidia driver instead of the nouveau driver. -- Hugh Caley, Linux Administrator Aldon Computer Group 6001 Shellmound St. Suite 600 Emeryville, CA 94608 (510) 285-8542 | hu...@aldon.com -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
RE: How many people need to use the proprietary nvidia driver ? (Or other non kms driver ?)
Please reply if you need to ( ie must) use the proprietary nvidia driver instead of the nouveau driver. Yes, I must use proprietary driver. Nouveau is too slow for my machine. If you are using the proprietary nvidia driver or some other non kms equipped driver, how are you finding F12 ? Ie do you experience freezing when you access some panel items ? It works fine on F11 but crashed a few time on F12. BTW, my card is Nvidia 9800gtx+. -Original Message- From: Linuxguy123 [mailto:linuxguy...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2009 12:21 PM To: fedora-list@redhat.com Subject: How many people need to use the proprietary nvidia driver ? (Or other non kms driver ?) Please reply if you need to ( ie must) use the proprietary nvidia driver instead of the nouveau driver. Or some other video driver that doesn't support kernel mode switching. DON'T reply otherwise, I don't want to hear a debate on the free versions versus proprietary or anything else. If you are using the proprietary nvidia driver or some other non kms equipped driver, how are you finding F12 ? Ie do you experience freezing when you access some panel items ? Thanks -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: How many people need to use the proprietary nvidia driver ? (Or other non kms driver ?)
On 12/22/2009 10:21 PM, Linuxguy123 wrote: Please reply if you need to ( ie must) use the proprietary nvidia driver instead of the nouveau driver. If you are using the proprietary nvidia driver or some other non kms equipped driver, how are you finding F12 ? Ie do you experience freezing when you access some panel items ? I use the proprietary driver on all my systems due to lack of 3D and VDPAU support. Having a fancy boot splash transition is the least of my worries. My opinion is from a general user perspective. The Red Hat and X.org folks have done nice work with KMS. As for the driver itself, I do not have any issues with my cards[1] or Fedora 12. I use my custom DKMS-based RPM on all my systems though. I don't care to have kmod/akmod packages infested on my systems. Mike [1] 8 series and 9 series cards, including one mobile gpu, 190.53 driver -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
