Re: Showing how to find the net installation images?
I wrote: Jud Craft wrote: Todd's idea was my general thought -- at least put it on the page with the big list of stuff. I'll try to remember to work up a patch for this and submit it to the website folks. Feel free to beat me to it though, if you enjoy git and html templates. :) FWIW, I sent this note to the fedora-websites-list: http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-websites-list/2009-March/msg00021.html -- ToddOpenPGP - KeyID: 0xBEAF0CE3 | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp ~~ There are three ways to get something done: do it yourself, hire someone, or forbid your kids to do it. -- Monta Crane pgpeoVreWt7Gd.pgp Description: PGP signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Showing how to find the net installation images?
Todd Zullinger wrote: Jud Craft wrote: My complaint is that I wish Fedora made it easy to _find it_. None of the posts so far, nor Fedora's website, have actually told me where to find the darn image. I have had to dig through the repositories on my own to find it, something that many people would prefer not to do. Perhaps adding it to http://fedoraproject.org/en/get-fedora-all, after the Live media links? That way, if you went to the main download page and chose Show me all download options in one page you'd find the images. Do you think that would be a good place? I know that one of the goals of the web team is to keep the main download page as clean and uncluttered as possible, so I imagine they would prefer to see it on the get-fedora-all page. Or possibly as a one of the baloon links on the right side, though those are probably best reserved for other things (we talked about putting clearer links to the .iso SHA1SUMS and such in another balloon). Another idea may be to add the netinst.iso and/or boot.iso images to the Torrents lists, as well. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Showing how to find the net installation images?
No, I mean I know how to do a net installation. Just did one last night. But I wanted to point out that it's very difficult to find the net-installation-only image. That install guide doesn't actually mention where to find the minimal net install image. And for some, there's a huge difference between 128 MB and 800 MB CDs, or 4 GB DVDs. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Showing how to find the net installation images?
Jud Craft wrote: And for some, there's a huge difference between 128 MB and 800 MB CDs, or 4 GB DVDs. Our live CDs are actually 700 MB, not 800. Kevin Kofler -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Showing how to find the net installation images?
Ah. So they are. Whoops. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Showing how to find the net installation images?
Jud Craft wrote: No, I mean I know how to do a net installation. Just did one last night. But I wanted to point out that it's very difficult to find the net-installation-only image. That install guide doesn't actually mention where to find the minimal net install image. And for some, there's a huge difference between 128 MB and 800 MB CDs, or 4 GB DVDs. Meng's message told you...use the boot.iso. It's readily available...gives you the option of selecting a network based install, CD, Hard disk, etc...and is only 128MB, as well. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Showing how to find the net installation images?
Forgive me. You do not understand what I am saying. I know well that the 128MB boot.iso exists -- and in Fedora 10 it is called netinst.iso. My complaint is that I wish Fedora made it easy to _find it_. None of the posts so far, nor Fedora's website, have actually told me where to find the darn image. I have had to dig through the repositories on my own to find it, something that many people would prefer not to do. Meng's message told me how to do a net-install with the default DVD/CD images (not what I wanted), and pointed me to a page of the Installation Guide that tells me Oh, guess what? You can use the minimal boot image install! That's great, installation guide, duh. I want to know where to GET it. Neither chapter 4 nor 6 in the Installation Manual say where to get the minimal/network/boot.iso. I just think either the Guide or the Get Fedora page itself should explicitly mention where to find the network/minimal install image, that's all. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Showing how to find the net installation images?
I apologize for my sarcasm. It is frustrating when you feel misunderstood. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Showing how to find the net installation images?
Jud Craft wrote: Forgive me. You do not understand what I am saying. I know well that the 128MB boot.iso exists -- and in Fedora 10 it is called netinst.iso. My complaint is that I wish Fedora made it easy to _find it_. None of the posts so far, nor Fedora's website, have actually told me where to find the darn image. I have had to dig through the repositories on my own to find it, something that many people would prefer not to do. Meng's message told me how to do a net-install with the default DVD/CD images (not what I wanted), and pointed me to a page of the Installation Guide that tells me Oh, guess what? You can use the minimal boot image install! That's great, installation guide, duh. I want to know where to GET it. Neither chapter 4 nor 6 in the Installation Manual say where to get the minimal/network/boot.iso. I just think either the Guide or the Get Fedora page itself should explicitly mention where to find the network/minimal install image, that's all. I stand somewhat corrected...in the /pub/fedora/linux/releases/10/Fedora/i386/iso directories of the mirrors, id does appear that there is a Fedora-10-i386-netinst.iso. It also appears that there is a similarly named ISO image for the x86_64 series. My apologies for my mistake, there. That being said, it wasn't all that difficult to find...the directory structure, wherein locating ISO images vs. RPMs, etc, hasn't changed in many, many releases...the netinst.iso is in the same directories as all of the other ISO images. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Showing how to find the net installation images?
Jud Craft wrote: My complaint is that I wish Fedora made it easy to _find it_. None of the posts so far, nor Fedora's website, have actually told me where to find the darn image. I have had to dig through the repositories on my own to find it, something that many people would prefer not to do. Perhaps adding it to http://fedoraproject.org/en/get-fedora-all, after the Live media links? That way, if you went to the main download page and chose Show me all download options in one page you'd find the images. Do you think that would be a good place? I know that one of the goals of the web team is to keep the main download page as clean and uncluttered as possible, so I imagine they would prefer to see it on the get-fedora-all page. Or possibly as a one of the baloon links on the right side, though those are probably best reserved for other things (we talked about putting clearer links to the .iso SHA1SUMS and such in another balloon). -- ToddOpenPGP - KeyID: 0xBEAF0CE3 | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp ~~ Our Heavenly Father invented man because he was disappointed in the monkey. -- Mark Twain pgpRTRcRs6WRY.pgp Description: PGP signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Showing how to find the net installation images?
Todd's idea was my general thought -- at least put it on the page with the big list of stuff. Mike wrote... That being said, it wasn't all that difficult to find... Your ease in finding it depends a lot on your familiarity with the structure. Consider that you had to realize which numbered version of Fedora you were looking for, the fact that it was a release rather than a core, the type of architecture. Choosing between the jidgo, torrent, iso folders. You can of course claim that anyone attempting a local/network install of Fedora with the minimal image should know all this stuff. Possibly true. But even someone familiar with linux may _not_ be familiar with how to access the Fedora mirrors, or assuming they find the mirror monitoring page, which mirror to choose -- they may in fact waste much time trying to find the official Fedora repo, when in fact there isn't such a one. So I plead convenience. Not all that difficult to find is subjective. Compare that to the ease with which I can grab the DVD from the Get Fedora page. Two clicks max once you enter fedoraproject.org. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Showing how to find the net installation images?
Jud Craft wrote: Todd's idea was my general thought -- at least put it on the page with the big list of stuff. I'll try to remember to work up a patch for this and submit it to the website folks. Feel free to beat me to it though, if you enjoy git and html templates. :) The git repo is: http://git.fedorahosted.org/git/?p=fedora-web.git File a ticket as per http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Websites#Bugs if you don't see this get changed in the next few weeks. Or bring it up on the fedora-websites-list. I think it's a valid complaint that we could fix without too much effort. So I plead convenience. Not all that difficult to find is subjective. Compare that to the ease with which I can grab the DVD from the Get Fedora page. Two clicks max once you enter fedoraproject.org. Heh, I could never fault someone for being properly lazy. ;) -- ToddOpenPGP - KeyID: 0xBEAF0CE3 | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp ~~ Man is a rational animal who always loses his temper when he is called upon to act in accordance with the dictates of reason. -- Oscar Wilde pgpUxy8nbYvr7.pgp Description: PGP signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Showing how to find the net installation images?
On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 11:18 AM, Jud Craft craft...@gmail.com wrote: Hey there. I've been looking for the netinst.iso for Fedora 10. I can't find it anywhere on fedoraproject's download page, and there is no information on where to find it in either the Installation Guide or the Release notes. I did eventually manage to find it by picking a random mirror and mucking about through the folder structure until I found it, but why is this relatively useful image not mentioned along with all the other possible ones on the Get Fedora page? It would make locating it so much easier. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines All boot media except the distribution DVD present a menu that allows you to choose the installation source, such as the network or a hard disk. If you are booting the distribution DVD and do not want to install from the DVD, hit *Tab* at the boot menu. Add a space and the option linux askmethod to the end of the line that appears below the menu. You can install Fedora from the ISO images stored on hard disk, or from a network using NFS, FTP, or HTTP methods. Experienced users frequently use one of these methods because it is often faster to read data from a hard disk or network server than from a CD or DVD. Please refer to this OFFICIAL Web page: http://docs.fedoraproject.org/install-guide/f10/en_US/sn-install-diff-source.html Read, understand, and GO! -- 南无楞严会上佛菩萨！南无楞严会上佛菩萨！南无楞严会上佛菩萨！ -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
