Re: What is the smallest device that will run Fedora 12 ? Evolution ? Kontact ?
On Sun, 2009-12-27 at 19:52 -0600, Michael Cronenworth wrote: On 12/23/2009 01:14 PM, Linuxguy123 wrote: I might get an N900 just for myself. What would stop one from running Fedora on it ? I guess ubuntu would be a closer fit ? You would have to repackage the GSM pieces and compile a custom kernel. Simply installing Fedora 12 wouldn't be good enough. Plus to install anything in Extras you would need to be actively repackaging from deb to RPM. I've had my N900 since it was released and I don't see what all the hype around deb is. +1. Ubuntu is the same way. I love rpm and yum and their graphical counterparts. You have to know twice as much commands and arguments to find out package information compared to RPM. Agreed. How are you liking your N900 and any thoughts on running Fedora on it ? -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: What is the smallest device that will run Fedora 12 ? Evolution ? Kontact ?
Linuxguy123 wrote: So what is the smallest practical device that will run F12 ? You didn't seem to get an answer to your question, but a lot of suggestions for what you could do, the eeepc will run FC12 and you can get a model with a six cell battery setup if life is important. How else could one run apps like Evolution and Contact on a small device ? Could they be made to run on a Symbian device ? What about Android ? Kevin had that right, Nokia N900 is one answer, of go Verizon and Droid. That's on their CDMA net, if coverage counts (the ads are true, their coverage is better). Wal-Mart sells several smart phone using GSM, which I'm told run or can run Linux. Don't have details to give, sorry. -- Bill Davidsen david...@tmr.com We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from the machinations of the wicked. - from Slashdot -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: What is the smallest device that will run Fedora 12 ? Evolution ? Kontact ?
Linuxguy123 wrote: On Wed, 2009-12-23 at 10:58 -0700, Kevin Kempter wrote: On Wednesday 23 December 2009 10:42:50 Linuxguy123 wrote: On Wed, 2009-12-23 at 10:00 -0700, Kevin Kempter wrote: On Wednesday 23 December 2009 09:53:56 Linuxguy123 wrote: So what is the smallest practical device that will run F12 ? How else could one run apps like Evolution and Contact on a small device ? Could they be made to run on a Symbian device ? What about Android ? Thanks The nokia N900 runs debian, you can open a terminal, tweak the sources and install things via dpkg. I have a co-worker that has one - it's pretty impressive. I felt foolish posting this question but now I am very glad I did. Is the n900 running Debian out of the box or did your friend load it with Debian ? Is Maemo Debian ? What Linux apps will it run ? Does it have Gnome/Qt/KDE ? It must support Qt apps because Nokia bought Qt. Has anyone here fooled around with putting mainstream Linux apps on the N900 ? It's Maemo Debian, came that way out of the box I've read a few posts about folks installing mainstream apps on it with success. I dont think it has KDE/Gnome, it's a touch-screen maemo specific interface. I'll know more in the coming weeks, Mine is due to be delivered today Please let me/us (?) know how you like it. It would be SO sweet to be running Linux on our phones, laptops and servers ! One OS and so much flexibility, not have to learn some new SDK, etc. We are quite disappointed with my wife's iPhone. Everything is so locked up. You know what they say, there's an app for that. ;-) If you need a phone (talk/text) a smart phonme is the way to go. If you need G3 connectivity, Verizon is the way to go if you operate in rural or suburb location. If cell is expendable, netbook and Skype (or similar) wins. My opinion only, warranty coverage limited to your purchase price on the advice. -- Bill Davidsen david...@tmr.com We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from the machinations of the wicked. - from Slashdot -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: What is the smallest device that will run Fedora 12 ? Evolution ? Kontact ?
On 12/23/2009 01:14 PM, Linuxguy123 wrote: I might get an N900 just for myself. What would stop one from running Fedora on it ? I guess ubuntu would be a closer fit ? You would have to repackage the GSM pieces and compile a custom kernel. Simply installing Fedora 12 wouldn't be good enough. Plus to install anything in Extras you would need to be actively repackaging from deb to RPM. I've had my N900 since it was released and I don't see what all the hype around deb is. You have to know twice as much commands and arguments to find out package information compared to RPM. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: What is the smallest device that will run Fedora 12 ? Evolution ? Kontact ?
On Wednesday 23 December 2009 09:53:56 Linuxguy123 wrote: My wife is a busy professional person. The organization she works for uses Microsoft applications for scheduling and email. The users access their information via web browsers. She is using the Safari browser on her iPhone to gain access to her information. My wife needs better access to her schedule and email. Right now if she doesn't have an Internet connection she doesn't have access. And the web user interface was designed to be used with a desktop computer with a large monitor, not a small handheld device like an iPhone. There must be a better way. I understand that some of the OS desktop apps (Evolution and Kontact) are going to be working with Microsoft Exchange. I suspect that when they do she will be able to access her information via them. So what is the smallest practical device that will run F12 ? How else could one run apps like Evolution and Contact on a small device ? Could they be made to run on a Symbian device ? What about Android ? Thanks The nokia N900 runs debian, you can open a terminal, tweak the sources and install things via dpkg. I have a co-worker that has one - it's pretty impressive. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: What is the smallest device that will run Fedora 12 ? Evolution ? Kontact ?
On Wed, 2009-12-23 at 10:00 -0700, Kevin Kempter wrote: On Wednesday 23 December 2009 09:53:56 Linuxguy123 wrote: So what is the smallest practical device that will run F12 ? How else could one run apps like Evolution and Contact on a small device ? Could they be made to run on a Symbian device ? What about Android ? Thanks The nokia N900 runs debian, you can open a terminal, tweak the sources and install things via dpkg. I have a co-worker that has one - it's pretty impressive. I felt foolish posting this question but now I am very glad I did. Is the n900 running Debian out of the box or did your friend load it with Debian ? Is Maemo Debian ? What Linux apps will it run ? Does it have Gnome/Qt/KDE ? It must support Qt apps because Nokia bought Qt. Has anyone here fooled around with putting mainstream Linux apps on the N900 ? -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: What is the smallest device that will run Fedora 12 ? Evolution ? Kontact ?
On 12/23/2009 11:53 AM, Linuxguy123 wrote: How else could one run apps like Evolution and Contact on a small device ? Could they be made to run on a Symbian device ? What about Android ? You might want to check out Davmail: http://davmail.sourceforge.net/ It will talk to Microsoft's web based mail/scheduler and proxy it as more standard protocols. Then your small device only needs to talk those standard protocols to interact. It would mean that you would have to have tomcat or something installed on an internet accessible host, but that seems easier than figuring out how to get evolution onto symbian or android. Woogie -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: What is the smallest device that will run Fedora 12 ? Evolution ? Kontact ?
On Wednesday 23 December 2009 10:42:50 Linuxguy123 wrote: On Wed, 2009-12-23 at 10:00 -0700, Kevin Kempter wrote: On Wednesday 23 December 2009 09:53:56 Linuxguy123 wrote: So what is the smallest practical device that will run F12 ? How else could one run apps like Evolution and Contact on a small device ? Could they be made to run on a Symbian device ? What about Android ? Thanks The nokia N900 runs debian, you can open a terminal, tweak the sources and install things via dpkg. I have a co-worker that has one - it's pretty impressive. I felt foolish posting this question but now I am very glad I did. Is the n900 running Debian out of the box or did your friend load it with Debian ? Is Maemo Debian ? What Linux apps will it run ? Does it have Gnome/Qt/KDE ? It must support Qt apps because Nokia bought Qt. Has anyone here fooled around with putting mainstream Linux apps on the N900 ? It's Maemo Debian, came that way out of the box I've read a few posts about folks installing mainstream apps on it with success. I dont think it has KDE/Gnome, it's a touch-screen maemo specific interface. I'll know more in the coming weeks, Mine is due to be delivered today -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: What is the smallest device that will run Fedora 12 ? Evolution ? Kontact ?
On Wed, 2009-12-23 at 12:52 -0500, Mike Wohlgemuth wrote: On 12/23/2009 11:53 AM, Linuxguy123 wrote: How else could one run apps like Evolution and Contact on a small device ? Could they be made to run on a Symbian device ? What about Android ? You might want to check out Davmail: http://davmail.sourceforge.net/ It will talk to Microsoft's web based mail/scheduler and proxy it as more standard protocols. Then your small device only needs to talk those standard protocols to interact. It would mean that you would have to have tomcat or something installed on an internet accessible host, but that seems easier than figuring out how to get evolution onto symbian or android. Woogie Nice reply ! Thanks, I really appreciate it ! LG -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: What is the smallest device that will run Fedora 12 ? Evolution ? Kontact ?
On Wed, 2009-12-23 at 10:58 -0700, Kevin Kempter wrote: On Wednesday 23 December 2009 10:42:50 Linuxguy123 wrote: On Wed, 2009-12-23 at 10:00 -0700, Kevin Kempter wrote: On Wednesday 23 December 2009 09:53:56 Linuxguy123 wrote: So what is the smallest practical device that will run F12 ? How else could one run apps like Evolution and Contact on a small device ? Could they be made to run on a Symbian device ? What about Android ? Thanks The nokia N900 runs debian, you can open a terminal, tweak the sources and install things via dpkg. I have a co-worker that has one - it's pretty impressive. I felt foolish posting this question but now I am very glad I did. Is the n900 running Debian out of the box or did your friend load it with Debian ? Is Maemo Debian ? What Linux apps will it run ? Does it have Gnome/Qt/KDE ? It must support Qt apps because Nokia bought Qt. Has anyone here fooled around with putting mainstream Linux apps on the N900 ? It's Maemo Debian, came that way out of the box I've read a few posts about folks installing mainstream apps on it with success. I dont think it has KDE/Gnome, it's a touch-screen maemo specific interface. I'll know more in the coming weeks, Mine is due to be delivered today Please let me/us (?) know how you like it. It would be SO sweet to be running Linux on our phones, laptops and servers ! One OS and so much flexibility, not have to learn some new SDK, etc. We are quite disappointed with my wife's iPhone. Everything is so locked up. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: What is the smallest device that will run Fedora 12 ? Evolution ? Kontact ?
On Wednesday 23 December 2009 10:18 AM, Linuxguy123 wrote: We are quite disappointed with my wife's iPhone. Everything is so locked up. A friend of mine jailbroke his iPhone. He can do all sorts of cool stuff including having a terminal and using ssh to log into our lab servers. ;) btw, Wikipedia says Maemo is Gnome based. -- Suvayu Open source is the future. It sets us free. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: What is the smallest device that will run Fedora 12 ? Evolution ? Kontact ?
On Wed, 2009-12-23 at 10:26 -0800, Suvayu Ali wrote: On Wednesday 23 December 2009 10:18 AM, Linuxguy123 wrote: We are quite disappointed with my wife's iPhone. Everything is so locked up. A friend of mine jailbroke his iPhone. He can do all sorts of cool stuff including having a terminal and using ssh to log into our lab servers. ;) They must be jailbroken if you want to do much with them. We wanted a good Skype/ VOIP application since the 3G network coverage isn't nearly as good as plain GSM. I think I would much, much prefer the N900. I found out that davmail can be use with an iPhone. We'll see what my wife says. I might get an N900 just for myself. What would stop one from running Fedora on it ? I guess ubuntu would be a closer fit ? -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: What is the smallest device that will run Fedora 12 ? Evolution ? Kontact ?
On Wed, 2009-12-23 at 10:58 -0700, Kevin Kempter wrote: It's Maemo Debian, came that way out of the box I've read a few posts about folks installing mainstream apps on it with success. I dont think it has KDE/Gnome, it's a touch-screen maemo specific interface. I'll know more in the coming weeks, Mine is due to be delivered today This is the coolest device ever ! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maemo I wonder if I could get the TI89 calculator emulator running on it ? Then I wouldn't have to carry both a phone and a calculator around. I lose about 1 TI89 calculator a year and I hate how dim the TI89 display is. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: What is the smallest device that will run Fedora 12 ? Evolution ? Kontact ?
On Wednesday 23 December 2009 12:24:30 Linuxguy123 wrote: On Wed, 2009-12-23 at 10:58 -0700, Kevin Kempter wrote: It's Maemo Debian, came that way out of the box I've read a few posts about folks installing mainstream apps on it with success. I dont think it has KDE/Gnome, it's a touch-screen maemo specific interface. I'll know more in the coming weeks, Mine is due to be delivered today This is the coolest device ever ! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maemo I wonder if I could get the TI89 calculator emulator running on it ? Then I wouldn't have to carry both a phone and a calculator around. I lose about 1 TI89 calculator a year and I hate how dim the TI89 display is. This is already packaged as a maemo download http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/ati85/ -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: What is the smallest device that will run Fedora 12 ? Evolution ? Kontact ?
On Wed, 2009-12-23 at 10:26 -0800, Suvayu Ali wrote: On Wednesday 23 December 2009 10:18 AM, Linuxguy123 wrote: We are quite disappointed with my wife's iPhone. Everything is so locked up. A friend of mine jailbroke his iPhone. He can do all sorts of cool stuff including having a terminal and using ssh to log into our lab servers. ;) You don't need to jailbreak to use ssh to log into your lab servers--there's an app (or three) for that. It even does X, and there's a VNC client, too. There's even an app for tn3270 for those of us who still need to talk to IBM mainframes. You do need to jailbreak to log into your iPhone from your lab servers, though... I agree, I don't like how locked up it is, but it does do slick like Apple always does. It looks like Android and some other smartphone OS's will be promising competitors, though. We'll see when my contract expires what the next-gen Droid looks like. btw, Wikipedia says Maemo is Gnome based. -- Matthew Saltzman Clemson University Math Sciences mjs AT clemson DOT edu http://www.math.clemson.edu/~mjs -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: What is the smallest device that will run Fedora 12 ? Evolution ? Kontact ?
On Wed, 2009-12-23 at 15:39 -0500, Matthew Saltzman wrote: On Wed, 2009-12-23 at 10:26 -0800, Suvayu Ali wrote: On Wednesday 23 December 2009 10:18 AM, Linuxguy123 wrote: We are quite disappointed with my wife's iPhone. Everything is so locked up. A friend of mine jailbroke his iPhone. He can do all sorts of cool stuff including having a terminal and using ssh to log into our lab servers. ;) You don't need to jailbreak to use ssh to log into your lab servers--there's an app (or three) for that. It even does X, and there's a VNC client, too. There's even an app for tn3270 for those of us who still need to talk to IBM mainframes. You do need to jailbreak to log into your iPhone from your lab servers, though... I agree, I don't like how locked up it is, but it does do slick like Apple always does. It looks like Android and some other smartphone OS's will be promising competitors, though. We'll see when my contract expires what the next-gen Droid looks like. I know its off topic from Fedora, but Maemo looks very slick. Its starting to build a base of users and developers. And although its Gnome based, it now supports Qt stuff and a switch or full dual support can't be far off being that Nokia bought Qt. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: What is the smallest device that will run Fedora 12 ? Evolution ? Kontact ?
On Wed, 2009-12-23 at 11:18 -0700, Linuxguy123 wrote: On Wed, 2009-12-23 at 10:58 -0700, Kevin Kempter wrote: On Wednesday 23 December 2009 10:42:50 Linuxguy123 wrote: On Wed, 2009-12-23 at 10:00 -0700, Kevin Kempter wrote: On Wednesday 23 December 2009 09:53:56 Linuxguy123 wrote: So what is the smallest practical device that will run F12 ? How else could one run apps like Evolution and Contact on a small device ? Could they be made to run on a Symbian device ? What about Android ? Thanks The nokia N900 runs debian, you can open a terminal, tweak the sources and install things via dpkg. I have a co-worker that has one - it's pretty impressive. I felt foolish posting this question but now I am very glad I did. Is the n900 running Debian out of the box or did your friend load it with Debian ? Is Maemo Debian ? What Linux apps will it run ? Does it have Gnome/Qt/KDE ? It must support Qt apps because Nokia bought Qt. Has anyone here fooled around with putting mainstream Linux apps on the N900 ? It's Maemo Debian, came that way out of the box I've read a few posts about folks installing mainstream apps on it with success. I dont think it has KDE/Gnome, it's a touch-screen maemo specific interface. I'll know more in the coming weeks, Mine is due to be delivered today Please let me/us (?) know how you like it. It would be SO sweet to be running Linux on our phones, laptops and servers ! One OS and so much flexibility, not have to learn some new SDK, etc. We are quite disappointed with my wife's iPhone. Everything is so locked up. The Nokia devices are way cool but they are pricey. You can get an Acer Aspire One for $300-$350 and run a full blown Fedora on it (1Gb RAM, 160Gb HD, 1024x600 screen) The iPhone is what it is. I got a Motorola Android G2 about a month ago and I love it and it seems to have 'Corporate Mail' application which is specifically designed for Exchange server activity (but I've never tried it). Craig -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: What is the smallest device that will run Fedora 12 ? Evolution ? Kontact ?
On 12/23/2009 10:53 AM, Linuxguy123 wrote: My wife is a busy professional person. The organization she works for uses Microsoft applications for scheduling and email. The users access their information via web browsers. She is using the Safari browser on her iPhone to gain access to her information. My wife needs better access to her schedule and email. Right now if she doesn't have an Internet connection she doesn't have access. And the web user interface was designed to be used with a desktop computer with a large monitor, not a small handheld device like an iPhone. There must be a better way. I understand that some of the OS desktop apps (Evolution and Kontact) are going to be working with Microsoft Exchange. I suspect that when they do she will be able to access her information via them. So what is the smallest practical device that will run F12 ? How else could one run apps like Evolution and Contact on a small device ? Could they be made to run on a Symbian device ? What about Android ? Thanks The iPhone can connect directly to an Exchange server if the organization supports devices using Exchange Active Sync. If so, she can get directly to her mail, contacts and calendar using the native iPhone apps. -- Steve -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
