[SOLVED] Re: setting up WPA Personal (F9 & KDE 4.1 (from updates-testing))
Hi there, Sorry, I've been offline for the last couple of days, and I'm still catching up to the list. >> The Gnome nm-applet works fine under KDE. > > So I tried that, specifically I did a: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~]$ sudo yum install NetworkManager-gnome > > ...which pulled in 'gnome-panel' and 'gnome-panel-libs'. However, when > I tried to start 'nm-applet', I got the following error: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~]$ nm-applet > > ** (nm-applet:6268): WARNING **: > applet_dbus_manager_start_service(): Could not acquire the > NetworkManagerUserSettings service. > Message: 'Connection ":1.344" is not allowed to own the service > "org.freedesktop.NetworkManagerUserSettings" due to security policies > in the configuration file' > > > (nm-applet:6268): GLib-GObject-CRITICAL **: g_object_unref: assertion > `G_IS_OBJECT (object)' failed > > ...same thing happened when I tried it as 'sudo' (also, when I > restarted both 'network' and 'NetworkManager' services). Is this a > dbus problem or some kind of PolicyKit thing? It turned out this problem went away after rebooting (I discovered this accidentally). I still don't know exactly what was going on w/ those error messages, I'm still thinking it's either dbus or PolicyKit-related. Oh wells. At any rate, let me just summarize: Problem: - with my then-current installation of KDE 4.1 (from 'updates-testing' repository), I had no apparent way to configure a WPA wireless connection (ie. no NetworkManager applet, only the 'system-config-network' app) - I'm guessing this occurred because I specifically removed the 'GNOME Desktop Environment' group Solution: - install the NetworkManager applet - this was accomplished by running: sudo yum install NetworkManager-gnome # or if you don't use sudo: su -c 'yum NetworkManager-gnome' - reboot after the packages have installed successfully Thanks everyone who offered their help! You guys rock. --Mike -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: setting up WPA Personal (F9 & KDE 4.1 (from updates-testing))
Tim: >> I wonder a couple of things: Whether the original poster has tried >> both right clicking and left clicking on the network manager icon. >> And whether they're trying to use access points that aren't >> broadcasting their SSID (which is a complete waste of time). Beartooth: > I have to be missing something here. Why do the wireless settings > on my router allow me a separate choice whether to broadcast SSID, if > one that isn't doing it is useless?? As a (false) security idea, not broadcasting it is a useless thing to do. It actually causes more problems: How do manual and automated systems connect to the right access point, when they don't name themselves? (It's doable, but abnormally.) More so when presented with several unidentified access points, and you're only supposed to use a particular one of them. You might keep trying to use the wrong one(s), you might actually keep on using the wrong ones (on unencrypted systems). The list goes on and on with things that's wrong with hiding SSIDs. There is no benefit in doing so. As to *why* a device gives you an option to hide the SSID, good question. I can't think of any good reason to give you the option, considering that it only causes harm, not good. It's probably offered to appease stupidity amongst the cargo cult breed of users. A much more useful thing would be for the manufacturers to either make sure that devices all had a unique ID, by default (e.g. something matching a sticker on the device), which would still allow network admins which want to have multiple devices with the same ID (for special purposes), by manual reconfiguration, but keep SSIDs unique for everyone else (which is the normal requirement - different networks should have different IDs). That'd avoid the problem that I would see in many homes, where the network configurators would present a list of several access points (yours and the neighbours), all with the same name (something like "AP325"), and the only way you could pick yours from the neighbours was by signal strength (which is open to error). Personally, I think wireless access points are a bad idea for personal use. The average user doesn't have a clue about them. The average access point seems to default to no security, wireless is active, default passwords, configuration allowed over the wireless link, and the same SSID as other access points. That means that most people have an unsecured network, and that their neighbour can reconfigure it, accidentally or on purpose. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$ uname -r 2.6.25.11-97.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: setting up WPA Personal (F9 & KDE 4.1 (from updates-testing))
2008/8/9 Beartooth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On Sat, 09 Aug 2008 22:37:15 +0930, Tim wrote: > >> On Sat, 2008-08-09 at 15:14 +0300, Joonas Sarajärvi wrote: >>> At least on my laptop, running Fedora 9 with KDE, clicking the >>> NetworkManager icon in the tray immediately shows me the available >>> networks, just as in Fedora 8. I never need to manually specify an >>> SSID. Easy and powerful. >> >> Likewise, here with 9 and using Gnome. I wonder a couple of things: >> Whether the original poster has tried both right clicking and left >> clicking on the network manager icon. And whether they're trying to use >> access points that aren't broadcasting their SSID (which is a complete >> waste of time). > >I have to be missing something here. Why do the wireless settings > on my router allow me a separate choice whether to broadcast SSID, if one > that isn't doing it is useless?? > It doesn't make the access point useless, but it unnecessarily complicates the life of the users of the AP, and doesn't protect against malicious users. When the station sends anything, it can be detected anyway. -- Joonas Sarajärvi [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: setting up WPA Personal (F9 & KDE 4.1 (from updates-testing))
Beartooth wrote: On Sat, 09 Aug 2008 22:37:15 +0930, Tim wrote: On Sat, 2008-08-09 at 15:14 +0300, Joonas Sarajärvi wrote: At least on my laptop, running Fedora 9 with KDE, clicking the NetworkManager icon in the tray immediately shows me the available networks, just as in Fedora 8. I never need to manually specify an SSID. Easy and powerful. Likewise, here with 9 and using Gnome. I wonder a couple of things: Whether the original poster has tried both right clicking and left clicking on the network manager icon. And whether they're trying to use access points that aren't broadcasting their SSID (which is a complete waste of time). I have to be missing something here. Why do the wireless settings on my router allow me a separate choice whether to broadcast SSID, if one that isn't doing it is useless?? I think you misunderstand what Tim is trying to say. To make a router not broadcast its SSID in the hopes of being more secure is a waste of time. It does *NOT* make your connection any more secure. Anyone sniffing for SSID broadcast packets won't see it, but, anyone sniffing for ALL packets will eventually see packets destined for your "hidden" SSID while your wireless is active. So to *not* broadcast your SSID is a waste of time. "iwlist scan" (amongst other tools, I'm sure) will find networks without an SSID being broadcast and print out their channel number and encryption details. -- Kevin J. Cummings [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Registered Linux User #1232 (http://counter.li.org) -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: setting up WPA Personal (F9 & KDE 4.1 (from updates-testing))
On Sat, 09 Aug 2008 22:37:15 +0930, Tim wrote: > On Sat, 2008-08-09 at 15:14 +0300, Joonas Sarajärvi wrote: >> At least on my laptop, running Fedora 9 with KDE, clicking the >> NetworkManager icon in the tray immediately shows me the available >> networks, just as in Fedora 8. I never need to manually specify an >> SSID. Easy and powerful. > > Likewise, here with 9 and using Gnome. I wonder a couple of things: > Whether the original poster has tried both right clicking and left > clicking on the network manager icon. And whether they're trying to use > access points that aren't broadcasting their SSID (which is a complete > waste of time). I have to be missing something here. Why do the wireless settings on my router allow me a separate choice whether to broadcast SSID, if one that isn't doing it is useless?? -- Beartooth Staffwright, PhD, Neo-Redneck Linux Convert Remember I know precious little of what I am talking about. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: setting up WPA Personal (F9 & KDE 4.1 (from updates-testing))
On Sat, 2008-08-09 at 21:06 +1000, Jesus Jr M Salvo wrote: > 2008/8/9 Aaron Konstam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > On Fri, 2008-08-08 at 17:48 +1000, Jesus Jr M Salvo wrote: > >> 2008/8/8 Patrick O'Callaghan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > >> > On Thu, 2008-08-07 at 18:38 -0700, Michael Park wrote: > >> >> Hi there, > >> >> > >> >> I read here ( http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/3462 ) that KDE 4.1's > >> >> getting a plasmoid front-end to NetworkManager (which doesn't seem to > >> >> be in 'updates-testing' yet). > >> > > >> > The Gnome nm-applet works fine under KDE. > >> > > >> > >> When I was using F7, I remember that there was something like > >> KNetworkManager, that runs as an icon in the system tray in KDE. It > >> also allows you to see the available wireless networks, the SSIDs, and > >> the signal strengths of each wireless network found. > >> > >> The NetworkManager for gnome does not show these available wireless > >> networks. > >> > > On my F9 NetworkManager shows you all those things. > > -- > > On F9, the NetworkManager applet makes you ADD the wireless network MANUALLY. > There are "Wired", "Wireless", "Mobile Broadband", "VPN", "DSL" tabs. > On each of those tabs, you have "Add", "Edit", and "Delete" buttons. > They don't show you the available wireless networks that it detects, > but you have to add them yourself, specify the SSID, etc. > > Are we talking about the same NetworkManager ? > Yes it is the same, however, we have to be more exact in our communication. If you have a wired connection that will be detected and the connection made without your having to do anything. Any WEP, WPA, etc networks that are available will appear with their SSID under the nm-applet and clicking on one of them will allow you to put in any security information that is needed and the connection will be made. That information will be remembered for future connections. I have not had access to any VPN Connections so I am not sure how this works.. But you certainly don't have to add any of these connections manually. -- === How much does it cost to entice a dope-smoking UNIX system guru to Dayton? -- Brian Boyle, UNIX/WORLD's First Annual Salary Survey === Aaron Konstam telephone: (210) 656-0355 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: setting up WPA Personal (F9 & KDE 4.1 (from updates-testing))
On Sat, 2008-08-09 at 15:14 +0300, Joonas Sarajärvi wrote: > At least on my laptop, running Fedora 9 with KDE, clicking the > NetworkManager icon in the tray immediately shows me the available > networks, just as in Fedora 8. I never need to manually specify an > SSID. Easy and powerful. Likewise, here with 9 and using Gnome. I wonder a couple of things: Whether the original poster has tried both right clicking and left clicking on the network manager icon. And whether they're trying to use access points that aren't broadcasting their SSID (which is a complete waste of time). Here, if I left click on the icon, I see a list of available networks (wired and wireless), and I can select one of them, there's also some options about manual configuration. If they need authentication for use, then I'm prompted to enter the necessary information. If I right click, there's enabling options, and manual editing options. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$ uname -r 2.6.25.11-97.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: setting up WPA Personal (F9 & KDE 4.1 (from updates-testing))
2008/8/9 Jesus Jr M Salvo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On F9, the NetworkManager applet makes you ADD the wireless network MANUALLY. > There are "Wired", "Wireless", "Mobile Broadband", "VPN", "DSL" tabs. > On each of those tabs, you have "Add", "Edit", and "Delete" buttons. > They don't show you the available wireless networks that it detects, > but you have to add them yourself, specify the SSID, etc. At least on my laptop, running Fedora 9 with KDE, clicking the NetworkManager icon in the tray immediately shows me the available networks, just as in Fedora 8. I never need to manually specify an SSID. Easy and powerful. -- Joonas Sarajärvi [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: setting up WPA Personal (F9 & KDE 4.1 (from updates-testing))
2008/8/9 Aaron Konstam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On Fri, 2008-08-08 at 17:48 +1000, Jesus Jr M Salvo wrote: >> 2008/8/8 Patrick O'Callaghan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >> > On Thu, 2008-08-07 at 18:38 -0700, Michael Park wrote: >> >> Hi there, >> >> >> >> I read here ( http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/3462 ) that KDE 4.1's >> >> getting a plasmoid front-end to NetworkManager (which doesn't seem to >> >> be in 'updates-testing' yet). >> > >> > The Gnome nm-applet works fine under KDE. >> > >> >> When I was using F7, I remember that there was something like >> KNetworkManager, that runs as an icon in the system tray in KDE. It >> also allows you to see the available wireless networks, the SSIDs, and >> the signal strengths of each wireless network found. >> >> The NetworkManager for gnome does not show these available wireless networks. >> > On my F9 NetworkManager shows you all those things. > -- On F9, the NetworkManager applet makes you ADD the wireless network MANUALLY. There are "Wired", "Wireless", "Mobile Broadband", "VPN", "DSL" tabs. On each of those tabs, you have "Add", "Edit", and "Delete" buttons. They don't show you the available wireless networks that it detects, but you have to add them yourself, specify the SSID, etc. Are we talking about the same NetworkManager ? -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: setting up WPA Personal (F9 & KDE 4.1 (from updates-testing))
On Thu, 2008-08-07 at 21:06 -0700, Michael Park wrote: > Hi Patrick, > > Thanks for the reply. > > >> I read here ( http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/3462 ) that KDE 4.1's > >> getting a plasmoid front-end to NetworkManager (which doesn't seem to > >> be in 'updates-testing' yet). > > > > The Gnome nm-applet works fine under KDE. > > > > So I tried that, specifically I did a: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~]$ sudo yum install NetworkManager-gnome > > ...which pulled in 'gnome-panel' and 'gnome-panel-libs'. However, when > I tried to start 'nm-applet', I got the following error: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~]$ nm-applet > > ** (nm-applet:6268): WARNING **: > applet_dbus_manager_start_service(): Could not acquire the > NetworkManagerUserSettings service. > Message: 'Connection ":1.344" is not allowed to own the service > "org.freedesktop.NetworkManagerUserSettings" due to security policies > in the configuration file' > > > (nm-applet:6268): GLib-GObject-CRITICAL **: g_object_unref: assertion > `G_IS_OBJECT (object)' failed > > ...same thing happened when I tried it as 'sudo' (also, when I > restarted both 'network' and 'NetworkManager' services). Is this a > dbus problem or some kind of PolicyKit thing? > > > The community wisdom around here is that you should choose between > > system-config-network and NM, but don't try to mix them as they don't > > get on, i.e. disable one or the other. On the whole NM seems better > > suited to wireless, though personally I use it with a wired connection > > and haven't had problems. > > Gotcha, thanks for the heads-up. > > > poc > > > --Mike You need all the rpms below installed for it to work. NetworkManager-gnome-0.7.0-0.9.4.svn3675.fc9.i386 NetworkManager-0.7.0-0.9.4.svn3675.fc9.i386 NetworkManager-glib-0.7.0-0.9.4.svn3675.fc9.i386 -- === Do you have lysdexia? === Aaron Konstam telephone: (210) 656-0355 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: setting up WPA Personal (F9 & KDE 4.1 (from updates-testing))
On Fri, 2008-08-08 at 17:48 +1000, Jesus Jr M Salvo wrote: > 2008/8/8 Patrick O'Callaghan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > On Thu, 2008-08-07 at 18:38 -0700, Michael Park wrote: > >> Hi there, > >> > >> I read here ( http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/3462 ) that KDE 4.1's > >> getting a plasmoid front-end to NetworkManager (which doesn't seem to > >> be in 'updates-testing' yet). > > > > The Gnome nm-applet works fine under KDE. > > > > When I was using F7, I remember that there was something like > KNetworkManager, that runs as an icon in the system tray in KDE. It > also allows you to see the available wireless networks, the SSIDs, and > the signal strengths of each wireless network found. > > The NetworkManager for gnome does not show these available wireless networks. > On my F9 NetworkManager shows you all those things. -- === Honesty is the best policy, but insanity is a better defense. === Aaron Konstam telephone: (210) 656-0355 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: setting up WPA Personal (F9 & KDE 4.1 (from updates-testing))
On Thu, 2008-08-07 at 18:38 -0700, Michael Park wrote: > Hi there, > > I read here ( http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/3462 ) that KDE 4.1's > getting a plasmoid front-end to NetworkManager (which doesn't seem to > be in 'updates-testing' yet). Till that arrives, can someone either > point me to a howto or explain how I can go about setting up a WPA > connection for an Intel 4965 AGN wifi adapter (Thinkpad T61). > > I tried playing with 'system-config-network' and it seems to be > lacking any WPA configuration options. Can anyone help point me in the > right direction? > > > --Mike > > Unleswsw things have changed radically system-config-network works with network not networkmanager. -- === I am a man: nothing human is alien to me. -- Publius Terentius Afer (Terence) === Aaron Konstam telephone: (210) 656-0355 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: setting up WPA Personal (F9 & KDE 4.1 (from updates-testing))
On Fri, 2008-08-08 at 17:48 +1000, Jesus Jr M Salvo wrote: > When I was using F7, I remember that there was something like > KNetworkManager, that runs as an icon in the system tray in KDE. It > also allows you to see the available wireless networks, the SSIDs, and > the signal strengths of each wireless network found. > > The NetworkManager for gnome does not show these available wireless > networks. It does here (NetworkManager running on Gnome on Fedora 9). Are you sure that it's not just that those networks aren't around anymore? -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$ uname -r 2.6.25.11-97.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: setting up WPA Personal (F9 & KDE 4.1 (from updates-testing))
2008/8/8 Patrick O'Callaghan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On Thu, 2008-08-07 at 18:38 -0700, Michael Park wrote: >> Hi there, >> >> I read here ( http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/3462 ) that KDE 4.1's >> getting a plasmoid front-end to NetworkManager (which doesn't seem to >> be in 'updates-testing' yet). > > The Gnome nm-applet works fine under KDE. > When I was using F7, I remember that there was something like KNetworkManager, that runs as an icon in the system tray in KDE. It also allows you to see the available wireless networks, the SSIDs, and the signal strengths of each wireless network found. The NetworkManager for gnome does not show these available wireless networks. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: setting up WPA Personal (F9 & KDE 4.1 (from updates-testing))
On Thu, 2008-08-07 at 21:06 -0700, Michael Park wrote: > Hi Patrick, > > Thanks for the reply. > > >> I read here ( http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/3462 ) that KDE 4.1's > >> getting a plasmoid front-end to NetworkManager (which doesn't seem to > >> be in 'updates-testing' yet). > > > > The Gnome nm-applet works fine under KDE. > > > > So I tried that, specifically I did a: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~]$ sudo yum install NetworkManager-gnome > > ...which pulled in 'gnome-panel' and 'gnome-panel-libs'. However, when > I tried to start 'nm-applet', I got the following error: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~]$ nm-applet > > ** (nm-applet:6268): WARNING **: > applet_dbus_manager_start_service(): Could not acquire the > NetworkManagerUserSettings service. > Message: 'Connection ":1.344" is not allowed to own the service > "org.freedesktop.NetworkManagerUserSettings" due to security policies > in the configuration file' > > > (nm-applet:6268): GLib-GObject-CRITICAL **: g_object_unref: assertion > `G_IS_OBJECT (object)' failed > > ...same thing happened when I tried it as 'sudo' (also, when I > restarted both 'network' and 'NetworkManager' services). Is this a > dbus problem or some kind of PolicyKit thing? Hmm, all I can say is it works for me and I didn't do anything special. Does it work under Gnome? poc -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: setting up WPA Personal (F9 & KDE 4.1 (from updates-testing))
Hi Patrick, Thanks for the reply. >> I read here ( http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/3462 ) that KDE 4.1's >> getting a plasmoid front-end to NetworkManager (which doesn't seem to >> be in 'updates-testing' yet). > > The Gnome nm-applet works fine under KDE. > So I tried that, specifically I did a: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~]$ sudo yum install NetworkManager-gnome ...which pulled in 'gnome-panel' and 'gnome-panel-libs'. However, when I tried to start 'nm-applet', I got the following error: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~]$ nm-applet ** (nm-applet:6268): WARNING **: applet_dbus_manager_start_service(): Could not acquire the NetworkManagerUserSettings service. Message: 'Connection ":1.344" is not allowed to own the service "org.freedesktop.NetworkManagerUserSettings" due to security policies in the configuration file' (nm-applet:6268): GLib-GObject-CRITICAL **: g_object_unref: assertion `G_IS_OBJECT (object)' failed ...same thing happened when I tried it as 'sudo' (also, when I restarted both 'network' and 'NetworkManager' services). Is this a dbus problem or some kind of PolicyKit thing? > The community wisdom around here is that you should choose between > system-config-network and NM, but don't try to mix them as they don't > get on, i.e. disable one or the other. On the whole NM seems better > suited to wireless, though personally I use it with a wired connection > and haven't had problems. Gotcha, thanks for the heads-up. > poc --Mike -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: setting up WPA Personal (F9 & KDE 4.1 (from updates-testing))
On Thu, 2008-08-07 at 18:38 -0700, Michael Park wrote: > Hi there, > > I read here ( http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/3462 ) that KDE 4.1's > getting a plasmoid front-end to NetworkManager (which doesn't seem to > be in 'updates-testing' yet). The Gnome nm-applet works fine under KDE. > Till that arrives, can someone either > point me to a howto or explain how I can go about setting up a WPA > connection for an Intel 4965 AGN wifi adapter (Thinkpad T61). > > I tried playing with 'system-config-network' and it seems to be > lacking any WPA configuration options. Can anyone help point me in the > right direction? The community wisdom around here is that you should choose between system-config-network and NM, but don't try to mix them as they don't get on, i.e. disable one or the other. On the whole NM seems better suited to wireless, though personally I use it with a wired connection and haven't had problems. poc -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
