Re: SMART - Please shut up!!
On Thursday 11 June 2009 05:17:41 Bruno Wolff III wrote: On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 10:41:25 -0400, David dgbo...@comcast.net wrote: I thought that the OP was using real diagnostics. The BIOS or the testing software from the HD manufacturer. Not some cute little utility from 'some one out there' in Cyber-Space. SMART is a real standard and the smartmontools application has been written to take advantage of the standard. And in most situations is more useful than the manufacturer provided tools. There are some cases where you need the device specific tools, but those cases should be rare. I used the output from smartmontools in my dealings with Acer, when I sent my laptop for a drive replacement. They accepted that as a reason to give me a return code.. Anne -- New to KDE4? - get help from http://userbase.kde.org Just found a cool new feature? Add it to UserBase signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: SMART - Please shut up!!
Antonio Olivares wrote: What if this notification is false? I got the notifications in three of four machines. Most of them new hardrives. Something is wrong with that program. I filed a bug against it. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=498115 There is also another upstream bug against it. So I am not the only one that does not agree with it. If the hard drive dies, I use a livecd. They will not shut me down :) Then I replace the hard drive when I have a chance. If I were you, I would run the manufacturer's diagnostics on the drive. This will tell you is SMART is telling the truth. It may also let you replace the drives under warranty. The diagnostic code from the drive test is normally necessary in order to get a RMA. Why gamble on the drives when you do not have to. Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: SMART - Please shut up!!
On 6/9/2009 6:38 PM, Antonio Olivares wrote: --- On Tue, 6/9/09, David dgbo...@comcast.net wrote: From: David dgbo...@comcast.net Subject: Re: SMART - Please shut up!! To: Community assistance, encouragement, and advice for using Fedora. fedora-list@redhat.com Date: Tuesday, June 9, 2009, 2:03 PM On 6/9/2009 3:23 PM, Andrew Jamison wrote: Ok i understand the reasoning behind displaying when drives are failing using SMART but for the love of all that is holy is there a shut up button somewhere? I knew the first 40 times that it told me my drive was failing i do not need a reminder every time i login how do i disable this notification. If it was *me* I would replace the harddrive. That would do two things. It solves the major problem, the dying HD, and also eliminates the dying HD warning. :-) Or you can turn this dying HD warning off in the computers BIOS. That's where mine is set yo on. That will turn off the warning so that one day it will just die a peaceful surprise death. Taking your data with it. -- David -- What if this notification is false? I got the notifications in three of four machines. Most of them new hardrives. Something is wrong with that program. I filed a bug against it. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=498115 There is also another upstream bug against it. So I am not the only one that does not agree with it. If the hard drive dies, I use a livecd. They will not shut me down :) Then I replace the hard drive when I have a chance. Regards, Antonio Antonio. If the HD has bad sectors when it dies what is written on/ across the bad sectors dies with it. Live-CDs might let you see the grave. Do research on this. If you value your data this is important. I thought that the OP was using real diagnostics. The BIOS or the testing software from the HD manufacturer. Not some cute little utility from 'some one out there' in Cyber-Space. I use the real diagnostics from the HD manufacturer to test my hardware. Who knows. If the drive is still under warenty it can be replaced. But they will want you to run their diagnostics first. -- David -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: SMART - Please shut up!!
On Tue, Jun 09, 2009 at 18:41:34 -0400, Andrew Jamison li...@blogmethat.net wrote: lol the drive is reporting as failing because of 2 bad sectors when I can afford to it shall be replaced but can not afford a new drive at present maybe next month You might be running smartd (part of smartmontools). I forget if that's the default or not. You can just disable the service if it is the culprit. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: SMART - Please shut up!!
On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 10:41:25 -0400, David dgbo...@comcast.net wrote: I thought that the OP was using real diagnostics. The BIOS or the testing software from the HD manufacturer. Not some cute little utility from 'some one out there' in Cyber-Space. SMART is a real standard and the smartmontools application has been written to take advantage of the standard. And in most situations is more useful than the manufacturer provided tools. There are some cases where you need the device specific tools, but those cases should be rare. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
SMART - Please shut up!!
Ok i understand the reasoning behind displaying when drives are failing using SMART but for the love of all that is holy is there a shut up button somewhere? I knew the first 40 times that it told me my drive was failing i do not need a reminder every time i login how do i disable this notification. -- Andrew Jamison Fedora Ambassador IRC: ajamison5579 FAS: ajamison -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: SMART - Please shut up!!
--- On Tue, 6/9/09, Andrew Jamison li...@blogmethat.net wrote: From: Andrew Jamison li...@blogmethat.net Subject: SMART - Please shut up!! To: fedora-list@redhat.com Date: Tuesday, June 9, 2009, 12:23 PM Ok i understand the reasoning behind displaying when drives are failing using SMART but for the love of all that is holy is there a shut up button somewhere? I knew the first 40 times that it told me my drive was failing i do not need a reminder every time i login how do i disable this notification. -- Click on the sessions Startup Applications and remove it from there. It will not show up again. This is if you use Gnome. If you use KDE, it does not show up. Regards, Antonio -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: SMART - Please shut up!!
On 6/9/2009 3:23 PM, Andrew Jamison wrote: Ok i understand the reasoning behind displaying when drives are failing using SMART but for the love of all that is holy is there a shut up button somewhere? I knew the first 40 times that it told me my drive was failing i do not need a reminder every time i login how do i disable this notification. If it was *me* I would replace the harddrive. That would do two things. It solves the major problem, the dying HD, and also eliminates the dying HD warning. :-) Or you can turn this dying HD warning off in the computers BIOS. That's where mine is set yo on. That will turn off the warning so that one day it will just die a peaceful surprise death. Taking your data with it. -- David -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: SMART - Please shut up!!
On 6/9/2009 3:23 PM, Andrew Jamison wrote: Ok i understand the reasoning behind displaying when drives are failing using SMART but for the love of all that is holy is there a shut up button somewhere? I knew the first 40 times that it told me my drive was failing i do not need a reminder every time i login how do i disable this notification. If it was *me* I would replace the harddrive. That would do two things. It solves the major problem, the dying HD, and also eliminates the dying HD warning. :-) Or you can turn this dying HD warning off in the computers BIOS. That's where mine is set to on. That will turn off the warning so that one day it will just die a peaceful surprise death. Taking your data with it of course. -- David -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: SMART - Please shut up!!
David wrote: If it was *me* I would replace the harddrive. That would do two things. It solves the major problem, the dying HD, and also eliminates the dying HD warning. :-) Or you can turn this dying HD warning off in the computers BIOS. That's where mine is set yo on. That will turn off the warning so that one day it will just die a peaceful surprise death. Taking your data with it. Right now I'm getting the Palimpsest failure warning as a result of a single reallocated sector. Smart's overall-health assessment is PASSED. I have Smart output from a former 8 GB drive (replaced due to obsolescence, not failure) showing 373 reallocated sectors, and Smart's assessment on that was also PASSED. IMO gnome-disk-utility (Palimpsest) should rely on Smart's assessment, and only provide additional warnings if the disk stats change (and then just once, not every single login). If Smart isn't strict enough, that should be changed. smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: SMART - Please shut up!!
--- On Tue, 6/9/09, David dgbo...@comcast.net wrote: From: David dgbo...@comcast.net Subject: Re: SMART - Please shut up!! To: Community assistance, encouragement, and advice for using Fedora. fedora-list@redhat.com Date: Tuesday, June 9, 2009, 2:03 PM On 6/9/2009 3:23 PM, Andrew Jamison wrote: Ok i understand the reasoning behind displaying when drives are failing using SMART but for the love of all that is holy is there a shut up button somewhere? I knew the first 40 times that it told me my drive was failing i do not need a reminder every time i login how do i disable this notification. If it was *me* I would replace the harddrive. That would do two things. It solves the major problem, the dying HD, and also eliminates the dying HD warning. :-) Or you can turn this dying HD warning off in the computers BIOS. That's where mine is set yo on. That will turn off the warning so that one day it will just die a peaceful surprise death. Taking your data with it. -- David -- What if this notification is false? I got the notifications in three of four machines. Most of them new hardrives. Something is wrong with that program. I filed a bug against it. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=498115 There is also another upstream bug against it. So I am not the only one that does not agree with it. If the hard drive dies, I use a livecd. They will not shut me down :) Then I replace the hard drive when I have a chance. Regards, Antonio -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: SMART - Please shut up!!
On 6/9/2009 5:03 PM, David wrote: On 6/9/2009 3:23 PM, Andrew Jamison wrote: Ok i understand the reasoning behind displaying when drives are failing using SMART but for the love of all that is holy is there a shut up button somewhere? I knew the first 40 times that it told me my drive was failing i do not need a reminder every time i login how do i disable this notification. If it was *me* I would replace the harddrive. That would do two things. It solves the major problem, the dying HD, and also eliminates the dying HD warning. :-) Or you can turn this dying HD warning off in the computers BIOS. That's where mine is set yo on. That will turn off the warning so that one day it will just die a peaceful surprise death. Taking your data with it. lol the drive is reporting as failing because of 2 bad sectors when I can afford to it shall be replaced but can not afford a new drive at present maybe next month -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: SMART - Please shut up!!
Right now I'm getting the Palimpsest failure warning as a result of a single reallocated sector. Smart's overall-health assessment is PASSED. I have Smart output from a former 8 GB drive (replaced due to obsolescence, not failure) showing 373 reallocated sectors, and Smart's assessment on that was also PASSED. IMO gnome-disk-utility (Palimpsest) should rely on Smart's assessment, and only provide additional warnings if the disk stats change (and then just once, not every single login). If Smart isn't strict enough, that should be changed. That is what is happening with me i have 2 bad sectors and SMART passes but palmiset does not -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: SMART - Please shut up!!
Andrew Jamison wrote:
lol the drive is reporting as failing because of 2 bad sectors when I
can afford to it shall be replaced but can not afford a new drive at
present maybe next month
I'm not so sure. I'm not a SMART expert, but I suspect that the
drive is reporting that it has two sectors and is out of remapping.
If so, then the drive is about to go completely South and pretty
soon.
Mike
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