Re: Setting up a VM to run an F12 guest on an XP host
Why do not ask your admin to install VirtualBox for you so you can install F12 on as a virtual machine if you have enough RAM (2GB - 1GB for XP, one for F12) ;) -- -- Grzegorz Witkowski :: gesli...@gmail.com :Gadu-Gadu: 5942122 :ICQ: 427096157 :Skype: gesirl -- 01000111 01100101 01110011 01100011 0111 0111 01100101 http://counter.li.org #239224 Registration 2001-10-29 07:19:32 -= GNU/Linux - The Experience of Freedom =- -Original Message- From: Alan Milnes a...@linux.com Reply-to: Community assistance, encouragement, and advice for using Fedora. fedora-list@redhat.com To: Community assistance, encouragement, and advice for using Fedora. fedora-list@redhat.com Subject: Re: Setting up a VM to run an F12 guest on an XP host Date: Sun, 29 Nov 2009 21:35:00 + 2009/11/28 john wendel jwende...@comcast.net: I know very little about Windows, so I'm seeking your advice. I'd like to run F12 on an XP box (so I can get some work done), could someone point me to the right software. The big problem is that I don't have admin privs on the XP box so I can't install anything. Is it even possible? You don't install F12 from within XP so as long as you can boot from a CD/DVD this won't be an issue. Just boot from a F12 LiveCD and the installer should sort it all out for you - this is called Dual Boot, each time the computer starts you have the choice to run F12 or Windows XP (one will be set as a default and you will have 10 seconds to make a decision when the screen comes up). Alan attachment: face-wink.png-- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Setting up a VM to run an F12 guest on an XP host
On 11/29/2009 08:41 PM, William Witt wrote: On 11/29/2009 07:16 PM, john wendel wrote: On 11/29/2009 01:35 PM, Alan Milnes wrote: 2009/11/28 john wendeljwende...@comcast.net: I know very little about Windows, so I'm seeking your advice. I'd like to run F12 on an XP box (so I can get some work done), could someone point me to the right software. The big problem is that I don't have admin privs on the XP box so I can't install anything. Is it even possible? You don't install F12 from within XP so as long as you can boot from a CD/DVD this won't be an issue. Just boot from a F12 LiveCD and the installer should sort it all out for you - this is called Dual Boot, each time the computer starts you have the choice to run F12 or Windows XP (one will be set as a default and you will have 10 seconds to make a decision when the screen comes up). Alan Unfortunately, there is an intrusion detection system on the network that keeps me from setting up a dual-boot system. If I boot the F12 live cd, my network connection is disabled and the admins come and beat me about the head. So I think running F12 in a VM is going to be the best I can do. Thanks, John I may be coming out of left field on this, but if you are working in the kind of place that has intrusion detection on the network, (I'm a sysadmin on such a network), then you are probably better off talking to the sysadmins. If you really need it to do your job, there may be some approved virtualization tech that they are more than happy to install for you, or the security people will shoot it down. If it's the organization's hardware and network then they have every right to approve or deny the installation of software. If you really, truly, need to use it to do your job and they deny it, get the denial in writing so you can CYA. Where I work, if someone were caught installing software on the systems I administer like this, that person would probably loose their job and possibly their freedom for several years. Will You're absolutely correct. I've already requested a VM install, maybe they'll get around to it in 6 months (that's how long it took to get the new PC). I was hoping to fly under the radar until then, but it doesn't look possible. John -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Setting up a VM to run an F12 guest on an XP host
2009/11/28 john wendel jwende...@comcast.net: I know very little about Windows, so I'm seeking your advice. I'd like to run F12 on an XP box (so I can get some work done), could someone point me to the right software. The big problem is that I don't have admin privs on the XP box so I can't install anything. Is it even possible? You don't install F12 from within XP so as long as you can boot from a CD/DVD this won't be an issue. Just boot from a F12 LiveCD and the installer should sort it all out for you - this is called Dual Boot, each time the computer starts you have the choice to run F12 or Windows XP (one will be set as a default and you will have 10 seconds to make a decision when the screen comes up). Alan -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Setting up a VM to run an F12 guest on an XP host
On 11/29/2009 01:35 PM, Alan Milnes wrote: 2009/11/28 john wendeljwende...@comcast.net: I know very little about Windows, so I'm seeking your advice. I'd like to run F12 on an XP box (so I can get some work done), could someone point me to the right software. The big problem is that I don't have admin privs on the XP box so I can't install anything. Is it even possible? You don't install F12 from within XP so as long as you can boot from a CD/DVD this won't be an issue. Just boot from a F12 LiveCD and the installer should sort it all out for you - this is called Dual Boot, each time the computer starts you have the choice to run F12 or Windows XP (one will be set as a default and you will have 10 seconds to make a decision when the screen comes up). Alan Unfortunately, there is an intrusion detection system on the network that keeps me from setting up a dual-boot system. If I boot the F12 live cd, my network connection is disabled and the admins come and beat me about the head. So I think running F12 in a VM is going to be the best I can do. Thanks, John -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Setting up a VM to run an F12 guest on an XP host
On Monday 30 November 2009 00:16:18 john wendel wrote: On 11/29/2009 01:35 PM, Alan Milnes wrote: 2009/11/28 john wendeljwende...@comcast.net: I'd like to run F12 on an XP box (so I can get some work done), could someone point me to the right software. The big problem is that I don't have admin privs on the XP box so I can't install anything. Is it even possible? You don't install F12 from within XP so as long as you can boot from a CD/DVD this won't be an issue. Just boot from a F12 LiveCD and the installer should sort it all out for you - this is called Dual Boot, each time the computer starts you have the choice to run F12 or Windows XP (one will be set as a default and you will have 10 seconds to make a decision when the screen comes up). Unfortunately, there is an intrusion detection system on the network that keeps me from setting up a dual-boot system. If I boot the F12 live cd, my network connection is disabled and the admins come and beat me about the head. So I think running F12 in a VM is going to be the best I can do. Will the admins install, say, VirtualBox on XP if you ask them? If yes, great. If not, they probably have a good reason not to allow running any non-native OS. You should talk to them about it, and ask them to provide you a way of running Fedora. Depending on the type of intrusion-detection system, you just might be able to fool it (if it is stupid enough) --- boot XP, open Control Panel - Network Connections, right-click on the default network connection icon and select status (alternatively you can double-click on two little flashing monitors in the system tray, if they are there). Go to the support tab, click on details and write down all network-related information that is written there. Then boot Fedora Live CD, and reconfigure NetworkManager to use exactly the same data. That just might do the trick. OTOH, maybe it won't be enough. I've seen XP systems which were completely locked up, with no hope of the user doing something other than what is allowed by admins. However, given that you can boot off a CD, your system is not locked up that tight, and that can give you some space for fiddling around. If you are lucky, you might find a hole and exploit it. But do try to talk to admins first, the legal way is always the best way. :-) HTH, :-) Marko -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Setting up a VM to run an F12 guest on an XP host
Can't vanilla QEMU do virtualization with only user privileges and no formal installation? Don't know if it would be useful, but maybe an interesting experiment. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Setting up a VM to run an F12 guest on an XP host
On 11/29/2009 07:15 PM, Jud Craft wrote: Can't vanilla QEMU do virtualization with only user privileges and no formal installation? Don't know if it would be useful, but maybe an interesting experiment. Thanks very much for the reply. I had no idea that QEMU had a Windows version. I'll definitely give it a try. Regards, John -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Setting up a VM to run an F12 guest on an XP host
On 11/29/2009 07:16 PM, john wendel wrote: On 11/29/2009 01:35 PM, Alan Milnes wrote: 2009/11/28 john wendeljwende...@comcast.net: I know very little about Windows, so I'm seeking your advice. I'd like to run F12 on an XP box (so I can get some work done), could someone point me to the right software. The big problem is that I don't have admin privs on the XP box so I can't install anything. Is it even possible? You don't install F12 from within XP so as long as you can boot from a CD/DVD this won't be an issue. Just boot from a F12 LiveCD and the installer should sort it all out for you - this is called Dual Boot, each time the computer starts you have the choice to run F12 or Windows XP (one will be set as a default and you will have 10 seconds to make a decision when the screen comes up). Alan Unfortunately, there is an intrusion detection system on the network that keeps me from setting up a dual-boot system. If I boot the F12 live cd, my network connection is disabled and the admins come and beat me about the head. So I think running F12 in a VM is going to be the best I can do. Thanks, John I may be coming out of left field on this, but if you are working in the kind of place that has intrusion detection on the network, (I'm a sysadmin on such a network), then you are probably better off talking to the sysadmins. If you really need it to do your job, there may be some approved virtualization tech that they are more than happy to install for you, or the security people will shoot it down. If it's the organization's hardware and network then they have every right to approve or deny the installation of software. If you really, truly, need to use it to do your job and they deny it, get the denial in writing so you can CYA. Where I work, if someone were caught installing software on the systems I administer like this, that person would probably loose their job and possibly their freedom for several years. Will -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Setting up a VM to run an F12 guest on an XP host
I know very little about Windows, so I'm seeking your advice. I'd like to run F12 on an XP box (so I can get some work done), could someone point me to the right software. The big problem is that I don't have admin privs on the XP box so I can't install anything. Is it even possible? Thanks, John -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Setting up a VM to run an F12 guest on an XP host
John, With XP, you must have admin privilages to install any thing. Sometimes users are given admin priv, then it should work. Alex - Original Message - From: john wendel jwende...@comcast.net To: For users of Fedora fedora-list@redhat.com Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2009 3:34 PM Subject: Setting up a VM to run an F12 guest on an XP host I know very little about Windows, so I'm seeking your advice. I'd like to run F12 on an XP box (so I can get some work done), could someone point me to the right software. The big problem is that I don't have admin privs on the XP box so I can't install anything. Is it even possible? Thanks, John -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
