Re: make thunderbird NOT show html
Ric Moore wrote: On Sat, 2008-06-07 at 00:13 +, g wrote: snip most 'gmail' that comes thru list is 'rich text'. a lot of folks who use gmail, hotmail, and other 'free' email, --- will not bother to set configs and are usually there to hide. --- This bit above. and are usually there to hide. What's with that? Ric so as to clarify, are you asking ric, as in him hiding? as to my comment, in reference to email i get from senders who 'want to be friends', 'chat', 'this and that'. not spam, just junk, and it comes from 'hotmail', 'gmail', and other 'free' email. 'hotmail' is via pots and inet connect, is 'gmail' pots and others? if your isp gives piss poor mail service, get another isp. like, if your horse grew lame, vet said no hope... have a good day. -- tc,hago. g . in a free world with out fences, who needs gates... -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: make thunderbird NOT show html
David Boles wrote: The paranoia factor maybe? ;-) ric just may be paranoid. using gmail, asking twice. started to see for sure, ie, ask a third time. ;o) -- tc,hago. g . in a free world with out fences, who needs gates... -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: make thunderbird NOT show html
Steve Lindemann wrote: Mike Wright wrote: snip And, while I abhore html mail, you use thunderbird and do not mind out of line sigs. :o) Steve Lindemann __ Network Administrator //\\ ASCII Ribbon Campaign Marmot Library Network, Inc. \\// against HTML/RTF email, url: http://www.marmot.org //\\ vCards M$ attachments -- tc,hago. g . in a free world with out fences, who needs gates... -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: make thunderbird NOT show html
Roger Heflin wrote: On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 12:32 PM, Mike Wright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, It seems that there are many clueless people who could never write a web page but seem to feel more than qualified to send html mail. I am tired of squinting at itty bitty fonts that are rendered by Thunderbird whenever it displays html email. (List denizens, please note: html mail gets an instant delete here; you will receive no help from me.) Does anybody know how to make Thunderbird display only the text/plain portion of multipart email? I've set up a filter to delete email with the header Content-Type: text/html but that only catches some of it. A hearty toast to whomever can solve this one. Maybe: view - message body as - plain text And that bad news for us is those clueless people are developers that develop email programs and really don't have a clue what they are doing, but certainly think they do. Roger On the OpenOffice.org list, there are usual requests to add an email program to OOo for creating email, just like Word and Outlook. It follows many of the complaints on this thread as well. -- Robin Laing -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: make thunderbird NOT show html
David Boles wrote: Ric Moore wrote: On Sat, 2008-06-07 at 00:13 +, g wrote: David Boles wrote: Roger Heflin wrote: snip And that bad news for us is those clueless people are developers that develop email programs and really don't have a clue what they are doing, but certainly think they do. Roger Roger are you aware that your email is composed in rich text formating? Which is as annoying as html. ;-) also know as; Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit which is probably a 'default' config for 'gmail.com'. most 'gmail' that comes thru list is 'rich text'. a lot of folks who use gmail, hotmail, and other 'free' email, --- will not bother to set configs and are usually there to hide. --- This bit above. and are usually there to hide. What's with that? Ric The paranoia factor maybe? ;-) Hotmail I would probably agree with, but both gmail and yahoo provide higher end paid for service if you want it, and both yahoo and gmail are sub-contractors for a number of ISP's mail systems. I am on gmail because my ISP's email had enough issues that I kept getting unsubscribed from various lists (I assume because of funny bounces). My ISP has now fixed that issue by making some sort of deal with gmail for gmail to provide their mail service but I might as well use gmail directly since that email address will stay around for a lot longer than the one through the ISP's gmail connection. Roger -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: make thunderbird NOT show html
Roger Heflin wrote: David Boles wrote: Hotmail I would probably agree with, but both gmail and yahoo provide higher end paid for service if you want it, and both yahoo and gmail are sub-contractors for a number of ISP's mail systems. I am on gmail because my ISP's email had enough issues that I kept getting unsubscribed from various lists (I assume because of funny bounces). My ISP has now fixed that issue by making some sort of deal with gmail for gmail to provide their mail service but I might as well use gmail directly since that email address will stay around for a lot longer than the one through the ISP's gmail connection. My story is basically the same as your's Roger. I use gmail POP, with Thunderbird, because my ISP provides poor service and their SPAM filters are crap. I can filter the SPAM here of course, and do filter what gets through, but it annoys me to download it in the first place. It is using Gmail online that causes the rich text. Gmail defaults to that and it is *not* obvious to the writer nor is it clear just how/if it is disabled. For some anyway. As for Ric? Don't mess with him too much. He's crazy. ;-) -- David signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: make thunderbird NOT show html
On Sat, 2008-06-07 at 00:13 +, g wrote: geoDavid Boles wrote: Roger Heflin wrote: snip And that bad news for us is those clueless people are developers that develop email programs and really don't have a clue what they are doing, but certainly think they do. Roger Roger are you aware that your email is composed in rich text formating? Which is as annoying as html. ;-) also know as; Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit which is probably a 'default' config for 'gmail.com'. most 'gmail' that comes thru list is 'rich text'. a lot of folks who use gmail, hotmail, and other 'free' email, will not bother to set configs and are usually there to hide. I don't get that. Please explain. Ric -- My father, Victor Moore (Vic) used to say: There are two Great Sins in the world... ..the Sin of Ignorance, and the Sin of Stupidity. Only the former may be overcome. R.I.P. Dad. Linux user# 44256 Sign up at: http://counter.li.org/ http://www.sourceforge.net/projects/oar https://oar.dev.java.net/ Verizon Cell # 336-254-1339 - -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: make thunderbird NOT show html
Ric Moore wrote: I don't get that. Please explain. Ric which? check time stamps of my post and your post and change made. ^v, ^u, what ever. [if does not answer, insert what where] later. -- tc,hago. g . in a free world without fences, who needs gates. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: make thunderbird NOT show html
On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 12:32 PM, Mike Wright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, It seems that there are many clueless people who could never write a web page but seem to feel more than qualified to send html mail. I am tired of squinting at itty bitty fonts that are rendered by Thunderbird whenever it displays html email. (List denizens, please note: html mail gets an instant delete here; you will receive no help from me.) Does anybody know how to make Thunderbird display only the text/plain portion of multipart email? I've set up a filter to delete email with the header Content-Type: text/html but that only catches some of it. A hearty toast to whomever can solve this one. Maybe: view - message body as - plain text And that bad news for us is those clueless people are developers that develop email programs and really don't have a clue what they are doing, but certainly think they do. Roger -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: make thunderbird NOT show html
Mike Wright wrote: Hi all, It seems that there are many clueless people who could never write a web page but seem to feel more than qualified to send html mail. I am tired of squinting at itty bitty fonts that are rendered by Thunderbird whenever it displays html email. (List denizens, please note: html mail gets an instant delete here; you will receive no help from me.) Does anybody know how to make Thunderbird display only the text/plain portion of multipart email? I've set up a filter to delete email with the header Content-Type: text/html but that only catches some of it. A hearty toast to whomever can solve this one. Thanks, Mike Wright View - Message Body As - Plain Text generally works for me, and stays set until I change it again. Raymond -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: make thunderbird NOT show html
On Fri, 06 Jun 2008 10:32:44 -0700 Mike Wright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A hearty toast to whomever can solve this one. I can't solve it for thunderbird, but the reason I use claws-mail is because it has no html support at all. You have to go to a lot of trouble to turn on html by activating plugins in claws-mail (which, of course, I have not done :-). -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: make thunderbird NOT show html
Roger Heflin wrote: On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 12:32 PM, Mike Wright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anybody know how to make Thunderbird display only the text/plain portion of multipart email? Maybe: view - message body as - plain text And that bad news for us is those clueless people are developers that develop email programs and really don't have a clue what they are doing, but certainly think they do. Thank you thank you thank you, Roger and Raymond. Beer is on me ;D -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: make thunderbird NOT show html
Mike Wright wrote: Does anybody know how to make Thunderbird display only the text/plain portion of multipart email? As already mentioned: a quick ALT-V-B-P will set plain text viewing for all messages. Don't forget to disallow the default viewing of images in messages too. Another important thing to change is the default for creating messages, found in the Account Settings dialog window. Click on the Composition Addressing option for each account and uncheck the Compose messages in HTML format option. And while you're there, please set it so that replies start below the original message (bottom posting). That way no one has to read backwards to follow a thread. I might top post on the occasional personal message but I ALWAYS bottom post messages to a list. And, while I abhore html mail, there are some (very few) that I will view in that mode. If my hand is on the keyboard I run with the hotkeys but if it's on the mouse I have a handy add-on button that allows a one time switch to html viewing (and it doesn't mess with my default text only choice). If it's of interest search for Allow HTML Temp at https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/thunderbird/ -- Steve Lindemann __ Network Administrator //\\ ASCII Ribbon Campaign Marmot Library Network, Inc. \\// against HTML/RTF email, url: http://www.marmot.org //\\ vCards M$ attachments email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] voice: +1.970.242.3331 ext 116 fax: +1.970.245.7854 -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: make thunderbird NOT show html
David Boles wrote: Roger Heflin wrote: On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 12:32 PM, Mike Wright [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, It seems that there are many clueless people who could never write a web page but seem to feel more than qualified to send html mail. I am tired of squinting at itty bitty fonts that are rendered by Thunderbird whenever it displays html email. (List denizens, please note: html mail gets an instant delete here; you will receive no help from me.) Does anybody know how to make Thunderbird display only the text/plain portion of multipart email? I've set up a filter to delete email with the header Content-Type: text/html but that only catches some of it. A hearty toast to whomever can solve this one. Maybe: view - message body as - plain text And that bad news for us is those clueless people are developers that develop email programs and really don't have a clue what they are doing, but certainly think they do. Roger Roger are you aware that your email is composed in rich text formating? Which is as annoying as html. ;-) Sorry about that. I used Google's webmail interface for that message, and I checked I cannot see any option in the settings to do it any other way (at least all of the time), it kind of looks like you need to hit plain text on a given reply email, and it kind of looks like once you hit plain text (or rich formatting) on any one message it stays that way for all later reply (not exactly how one would have expected the interface to act-or where one would have expected the option to be, and it should still be in settings as that is were it actually belongs for a what appears to be a permanent setting). This one should not be RTF or HTML, I sent it from thunderbird and I am 99% sure it is setup to only send plain text. Roger -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: make thunderbird NOT show html
Roger Heflin wrote: David Boles wrote: Roger Heflin wrote: On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 12:32 PM, Mike Wright [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, It seems that there are many clueless people who could never write a web page but seem to feel more than qualified to send html mail. I am tired of squinting at itty bitty fonts that are rendered by Thunderbird whenever it displays html email. (List denizens, please note: html mail gets an instant delete here; you will receive no help from me.) Does anybody know how to make Thunderbird display only the text/plain portion of multipart email? I've set up a filter to delete email with the header Content-Type: text/html but that only catches some of it. A hearty toast to whomever can solve this one. Maybe: view - message body as - plain text And that bad news for us is those clueless people are developers that develop email programs and really don't have a clue what they are doing, but certainly think they do. Roger Roger are you aware that your email is composed in rich text formating? Which is as annoying as html. ;-) Sorry about that. I used Google's webmail interface for that message, and I checked I cannot see any option in the settings to do it any other way (at least all of the time), it kind of looks like you need to hit plain text on a given reply email, and it kind of looks like once you hit plain text (or rich formatting) on any one message it stays that way for all later reply (not exactly how one would have expected the interface to act-or where one would have expected the option to be, and it should still be in settings as that is were it actually belongs for a what appears to be a permanent setting). This one should not be RTF or HTML, I sent it from thunderbird and I am 99% sure it is setup to only send plain text. Roger You did see the ;-) in there correct? Gmail defaults the same way. It is the 'hard line' Linux zealots can be upset. Most of us just move on. You mentioned Yahoo and Thunderbird. There is (was) a TB extension that would pop yahoo mail without paying the 'bucks' for the pop service. If you would like a Gmail account just ask. I can 'invite you' to join. -- David signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: make thunderbird NOT show html
David Boles wrote: Roger Heflin wrote: David Boles wrote: Roger Heflin wrote: On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 12:32 PM, Mike Wright [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, It seems that there are many clueless people who could never write a web page but seem to feel more than qualified to send html mail. I am tired of squinting at itty bitty fonts that are rendered by Thunderbird whenever it displays html email. (List denizens, please note: html mail gets an instant delete here; you will receive no help from me.) Does anybody know how to make Thunderbird display only the text/plain portion of multipart email? I've set up a filter to delete email with the header Content-Type: text/html but that only catches some of it. A hearty toast to whomever can solve this one. Maybe: view - message body as - plain text And that bad news for us is those clueless people are developers that develop email programs and really don't have a clue what they are doing, but certainly think they do. Roger Roger are you aware that your email is composed in rich text formating? Which is as annoying as html. ;-) Sorry about that. I used Google's webmail interface for that message, and I checked I cannot see any option in the settings to do it any other way (at least all of the time), it kind of looks like you need to hit plain text on a given reply email, and it kind of looks like once you hit plain text (or rich formatting) on any one message it stays that way for all later reply (not exactly how one would have expected the interface to act-or where one would have expected the option to be, and it should still be in settings as that is were it actually belongs for a what appears to be a permanent setting). This one should not be RTF or HTML, I sent it from thunderbird and I am 99% sure it is setup to only send plain text. Roger You did see the ;-) in there correct? Yes, I did, I just agree with your statement about RTF. Gmail defaults the same way. It is the 'hard line' Linux zealots can be upset. Most of us just move on. I am more annoyed that it was not in the settings like it should be, I always go into the settings and setup things like I want them, but it is hard to do when they don't put it in the settings, and hide it someplace else. I wonder how many people actually use the extra formatting for anything actually useful. Typically in corporate email none of the extra crap is used for anything actually useful or often at all so is kind of pointless to even have, often when it is used it actually ends up doing something stupid (too small/large of a font, or setting foreground without setting the background or just the opposite), most of which actually make the message harder to get. You mentioned Yahoo and Thunderbird. There is (was) a TB extension that would pop yahoo mail without paying the 'bucks' for the pop service. I have the Yahoo extension, it appears to work reasonably well. Roger -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: make thunderbird NOT show html
Roger Heflin wrote: David Boles wrote: Roger Heflin wrote: David Boles wrote: Roger Heflin wrote: On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 12:32 PM, Mike Wright [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, It seems that there are many clueless people who could never write a web page but seem to feel more than qualified to send html mail. I am tired of squinting at itty bitty fonts that are rendered by Thunderbird whenever it displays html email. (List denizens, please note: html mail gets an instant delete here; you will receive no help from me.) Does anybody know how to make Thunderbird display only the text/plain portion of multipart email? I've set up a filter to delete email with the header Content-Type: text/html but that only catches some of it. A hearty toast to whomever can solve this one. Maybe: view - message body as - plain text And that bad news for us is those clueless people are developers that develop email programs and really don't have a clue what they are doing, but certainly think they do. Roger Roger are you aware that your email is composed in rich text formating? Which is as annoying as html. ;-) Sorry about that. I used Google's webmail interface for that message, and I checked I cannot see any option in the settings to do it any other way (at least all of the time), it kind of looks like you need to hit plain text on a given reply email, and it kind of looks like once you hit plain text (or rich formatting) on any one message it stays that way for all later reply (not exactly how one would have expected the interface to act-or where one would have expected the option to be, and it should still be in settings as that is were it actually belongs for a what appears to be a permanent setting). This one should not be RTF or HTML, I sent it from thunderbird and I am 99% sure it is setup to only send plain text. Roger You did see the ;-) in there correct? Yes, I did, I just agree with your statement about RTF. Gmail defaults the same way. It is the 'hard line' Linux zealots can be upset. Most of us just move on. I am more annoyed that it was not in the settings like it should be, I always go into the settings and setup things like I want them, but it is hard to do when they don't put it in the settings, and hide it someplace else. I do not now about Yahoo. My son uses Yahoo and his emails are RTF. I normally don't see it because I have normally have TB set to plain text. But I have several related business threads at the moment and, unfortunately the 'ladies' sending the emails like colors and graphics. ;-) I wonder how many people actually use the extra formatting for anything actually useful. Typically in corporate email none of the extra crap is used for anything actually useful or often at all so is kind of pointless to even have, often when it is used it actually ends up doing something stupid (too small/large of a font, or setting foreground without setting the background or just the opposite), most of which actually make the message harder to get. You mentioned Yahoo and Thunderbird. There is (was) a TB extension that would pop yahoo mail without paying the 'bucks' for the pop service. I have the Yahoo extension, it appears to work reasonably well. Roger Good. There is always a solution to a problem. Usually the major problem is finding the solution. Have a good evening. -- David signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
