Re: self-signed certificates (was Re: I'd like to get rid of pulseaudio but ...)

2009-06-01 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 13:08:08 -0700,
  Wolfgang S. Rupprecht wolfgang.rupprecht+gnus200...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 As for the man-in-the-middle attack, I'd imagine the biggest usage case
 is an eavesdropped-in-the-middle and not someone that was able to break
 the data stream and insert themselves.  Having an encrypted channel with
 a slightly nebulous endpoint is still better than having an unencrypted
 channel.

For average Joes, the most common problem is going to be that their machine
is compromized. Extra security of https over http for them is barely a
blip.

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self-signed certificates (was Re: I'd like to get rid of pulseaudio but ...)

2009-05-31 Thread Wolfgang S. Rupprecht

Chris Adams cmad...@hiwaay.net writes:
 HTTPS with an unknown self-signed cert is barely any more secure than
 unencrypted HTTP, since a man-in-the-middle attack could just be
 replacing the cert and decrypting all communications.

It is a shame that there isn't a simple documented way to add other CA's
to Firefox's approved list or some system global way to add CA's for all
programs looking for pki certs.

I for one don't really trust external CA's for access to my computers
since I don't know their verification policy.  For all I know one of
them can be tricked into handing out a *.wsrcc.com certificate.  I feel
much more secure knowing that anyone signing with my CA first has to get
hold of the signing key and then decrypt it.

As for the man-in-the-middle attack, I'd imagine the biggest usage case
is an eavesdropped-in-the-middle and not someone that was able to break
the data stream and insert themselves.  Having an encrypted channel with
a slightly nebulous endpoint is still better than having an unencrypted
channel.

-wolfgang
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Re: self-signed certificates (was Re: I'd like to get rid of pulseaudio but ...)

2009-05-31 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Wolfgang S. Rupprecht 
wolfgang.rupprecht+gnus200...@gmail.com said:
 It is a shame that there isn't a simple documented way to add other CA's
 to Firefox's approved list or some system global way to add CA's for all
 programs looking for pki certs.

For Firefox, you just have to publish the cert in DER format (with the
MIME type application/x-x509-ca-cert).  If you click on such a link,
Firefox will ask you if you wish to trust the cert (and what classes of
things you trust it for).

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