Re: snd-hda-intel options in modprobe

[Gene Heskett]

On Sunday 24 May 2009, Kevin Kofler wrote:
>Gene Heskett wrote:
>> Ah Contraire, fixed me right up, its all working now. That which rpm could
>> remove without wiping the drive & starting over was removed.  Now it Just
>> Works(TM).
>
>Try playing more than one sound at the time without PulseAudio, the second
>app will report a "sound device busy" error instead of getting the sound
>properly mixed (unless you're one of those lucky people with hardware
>mixing).

Of course I am Kevin, its an audigy2, SBO400 chipset, not one of those $7 
cards or $2 chipsets built into the motherboard.  My biggest problem is in 
convincing the system that it should ignore all the other crap (there is some 
sort of an HDA audio on my video card that is not even bonded out but it finds 
it nevertheless, and the crippled ac97 stuff that you cannot seem to disable 
on the motherboard itself) and actually use the Audigy2 for everything except 
maybe skype.  Once I have done that, then it all Just Works(TM).  I probably 
COULD use pulse, if it had a configuration utility that worked, but if I allow 
it to run, then I believe it is redirecting the audio to one of the other 2 
audio systems.  IF pulse would take directions from my modprobe.conf, maybe it 
might work.  But it thinks it knows best, like a child that has never been 
taught the meaning of the word no.

If we had the tools to configure it (AFAIAC we have exactly zero tools for 
that), you would cut the traffic about pulse on this list by at least 95% cuz 
folks could actually make it work.

Unforch, every one of those tools someone has recommended I try, has 
absolutely NO knowledge of any audio that may be available on the system but 
its own choice, and it will not even tell you what its choice is.  It just is.  

I am reminded of that saying about the word assume.

For those with more than one channel of audio available, pulse is broken by 
design, and after what, 2 years now, it is patently apparent to me that it 
will never be fixed to the point where it will ever be usable for that 10% of 
the users who want better audio.

Go ahead, make a liar out of me with F11 when it is out, but I have the price 
of a 12 pack of suds that nothing will have been done to make it useable for 
those like me with more than 1 audio system.  Here in WV, Michelob Ultra is 
about 11$ a 12 pack, so that is the bet I offer.

Bet?

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Re: snd-hda-intel options in modprobe

[Kevin Kofler]

Gene Heskett wrote:
> Ah Contraire, fixed me right up, its all working now. That which rpm could
> remove without wiping the drive & starting over was removed.  Now it Just
> Works(TM).

Try playing more than one sound at the time without PulseAudio, the second
app will report a "sound device busy" error instead of getting the sound
properly mixed (unless you're one of those lucky people with hardware
mixing).

Kevin Kofler

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Re: snd-hda-intel options in modprobe

[Gene Heskett]

On Sunday 24 May 2009, Kevin Kofler wrote:
>Bill Davidsen wrote:
>> Have you removed PulseAudio? No, not disabled...
>
>That's like suggesting to amputate a male genital as a remedy for impotence.
>
>Kevin Kofler

Ah Contraire, fixed me right up, its all working now. That which rpm could 
remove without wiping the drive & starting over was removed.  Now it Just 
Works(TM).

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Re: snd-hda-intel options in modprobe

[Ambrogio]

Il giorno sab, 23/05/2009 alle 20.30 -0400, Bill Davidsen ha scritto:

> Have you removed PulseAudio? No, not disabled... 
Not in this installation. I removed pulseaudio on FC8 on another laptop.

> Warning, some other things may 
> stop working, but if what you need works it may be a lesser evil. FC10 could 
> be 
> made to work with PA if you wasted^H^H^H^H^H^Hspent enough time onthe config, 
> and FC11 has taken away the sliders. I have been unable to get sound working 
> at 
> all on FC11, I just have put that on my personal blocker list for installing 
> FC11 on a machine which needs sound.
I didn't spent time in configuration of pulse audio because I don't know
where to start.
I don't know well the audio system on Linux so I start learning a bit on
ALSA.
I understoud that it's a big planet.

I will continue with the external mic :-)
But I can test something if someone want to understand and solve the
problem.

Tnx to all
 Ambrogio

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Re: snd-hda-intel options in modprobe

[Kevin Kofler]

Bill Davidsen wrote:
> Have you removed PulseAudio? No, not disabled...

That's like suggesting to amputate a male genital as a remedy for impotence.

Kevin Kofler

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Re: snd-hda-intel options in modprobe

[Paulo Cavalcanti]

On Sat, May 23, 2009 at 9:30 PM, Bill Davidsen  wrote:

> Ambrogio wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I'm working on my laptop to better use mic, headphone and speaker
>> (internal and external).
>>
>> The laptop is a Vaio VGN-FW11E and the sound card is
>> 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) HD Audio
>> Controller (rev 03)
>>Subsystem: Sony Corporation Unknown device 9035
>>Flags: bus master, fast devsel, latency 0, IRQ 22
>>Memory at d520 (64-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=16K]
>>Capabilities: [50] Power Management version 2
>>Capabilities: [60] Message Signalled Interrupts: Mask- 64bit+
>> Queue=0/0 Enable-
>>Capabilities: [70] Express Root Complex Integrated Endpoint, MSI 00
>>Capabilities: [100] Virtual Channel 
>>Capabilities: [130] Root Complex Link 
>>Kernel driver in use: HDA Intel
>>Kernel modules: snd-hda-intel
>>
>> 01:00.1 Audio device: ATI Technologies Inc RV620 Audio device [Radeon HD
>> 34xx Series]
>>Subsystem: Sony Corporation Unknown device 9035
>>Flags: bus master, fast devsel, latency 0, IRQ 17
>>Memory at d003 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=16K]
>>Capabilities: [50] Power Management version 3
>>Capabilities: [58] Express Legacy Endpoint, MSI 00
>>Capabilities: [a0] Message Signalled Interrupts: Mask- 64bit+
>> Queue=0/0 Enable-
>>Capabilities: [100] Vendor Specific Information 
>>Kernel driver in use: HDA Intel
>>Kernel modules: snd-hda-intel
>>
>> With a standard Fedora 9 installation (updated) I can use the speaker
>> and an external mic.
>> I can use also the camera but not the internal mic (that I think is
>> present near the camera).
>> Alsamixer and kmix do not show options for mic other that "Front mic".
>> When I insert headphone, the speaker continue to sound (and also the
>> headphone).
>>
>> I tried to use other models for hda-intel driver using the options files
>> in /etc/modprobe.d
>> whith  options snd-hda-intel model=hippo
>> headphone inserting mute the speaker, but mic do not work
>> kmix shows  mic - front mic - line - CD as input source but noone works
>> without an
>> external mic
>>
>> with
>>  options snd-hda-intel model=sony-assamd
>> is the same but with less options as input and output.
>>
>> Someone can help my to found the right model?
>>
>> Alsa modules installed are
>>  alsa-lib-1.0.17-2.fc9.i386.rpm
>>  alsa-utils-1.0.17-2.fc9.i386.rpm
>>
>>  Have you removed PulseAudio? No, not disabled... Warning, some other
> things may stop working, but if what you need works it may be a lesser evil.
> FC10 could be made to work with PA if you wasted^H^H^H^H^H^Hspent enough
> time onthe config, and FC11 has taken away the sliders. I have been unable
> to get sound working at all on FC11, I just have put that on my personal
> blocker list for installing FC11 on a machine which needs sound.
>
>
This has nothing to do with pulseaudio. The internal mic  is generally a
digital mic.
Using "alsamixer -c 0" should show an option to select the digital or the
analog (external)  mic. However, this depends on the alsa driver being used.
The current
stable version is 1.0.20, but Fedora is always behind.

I can select the digital mic on my Dell Vostro laptop, but the sound is too
low
to be useful, and I prefer to use the external anlog mic, than spenting days
on the
alsa development list because of that.

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Re: snd-hda-intel options in modprobe

[Bill Davidsen]

Ambrogio wrote:

Hi all,

I'm working on my laptop to better use mic, headphone and speaker
(internal and external).

The laptop is a Vaio VGN-FW11E and the sound card is 


00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) HD Audio 
Controller (rev 03)
Subsystem: Sony Corporation Unknown device 9035
Flags: bus master, fast devsel, latency 0, IRQ 22
Memory at d520 (64-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=16K]
Capabilities: [50] Power Management version 2
Capabilities: [60] Message Signalled Interrupts: Mask- 64bit+ Queue=0/0 
Enable-
Capabilities: [70] Express Root Complex Integrated Endpoint, MSI 00
Capabilities: [100] Virtual Channel 
Capabilities: [130] Root Complex Link 
Kernel driver in use: HDA Intel
Kernel modules: snd-hda-intel

01:00.1 Audio device: ATI Technologies Inc RV620 Audio device [Radeon HD 34xx 
Series]
Subsystem: Sony Corporation Unknown device 9035
Flags: bus master, fast devsel, latency 0, IRQ 17
Memory at d003 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=16K]
Capabilities: [50] Power Management version 3
Capabilities: [58] Express Legacy Endpoint, MSI 00
Capabilities: [a0] Message Signalled Interrupts: Mask- 64bit+ Queue=0/0 
Enable-
Capabilities: [100] Vendor Specific Information 
Kernel driver in use: HDA Intel
Kernel modules: snd-hda-intel

With a standard Fedora 9 installation (updated) I can use the speaker
and an external mic.
I can use also the camera but not the internal mic (that I think is
present near the camera).
Alsamixer and kmix do not show options for mic other that "Front mic".
When I insert headphone, the speaker continue to sound (and also the
headphone).

I tried to use other models for hda-intel driver using the options files
in /etc/modprobe.d
whith 
 options snd-hda-intel model=hippo

headphone inserting mute the speaker, but mic do not work
kmix shows 
  mic - front mic - line - CD as input source but noone works without an

external mic

with
 options snd-hda-intel model=sony-assamd
is the same but with less options as input and output.

Someone can help my to found the right model?

Alsa modules installed are
 alsa-lib-1.0.17-2.fc9.i386.rpm
 alsa-utils-1.0.17-2.fc9.i386.rpm

Have you removed PulseAudio? No, not disabled... Warning, some other things may 
stop working, but if what you need works it may be a lesser evil. FC10 could be 
made to work with PA if you wasted^H^H^H^H^H^Hspent enough time onthe config, 
and FC11 has taken away the sliders. I have been unable to get sound working at 
all on FC11, I just have put that on my personal blocker list for installing 
FC11 on a machine which needs sound.


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the machinations of the wicked."  - from Slashdot

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snd-hda-intel options in modprobe

[Ambrogio]

Hi all,

I'm working on my laptop to better use mic, headphone and speaker
(internal and external).

The laptop is a Vaio VGN-FW11E and the sound card is 

00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) HD Audio 
Controller (rev 03)
Subsystem: Sony Corporation Unknown device 9035
Flags: bus master, fast devsel, latency 0, IRQ 22
Memory at d520 (64-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=16K]
Capabilities: [50] Power Management version 2
Capabilities: [60] Message Signalled Interrupts: Mask- 64bit+ Queue=0/0 
Enable-
Capabilities: [70] Express Root Complex Integrated Endpoint, MSI 00
Capabilities: [100] Virtual Channel 
Capabilities: [130] Root Complex Link 
Kernel driver in use: HDA Intel
Kernel modules: snd-hda-intel

01:00.1 Audio device: ATI Technologies Inc RV620 Audio device [Radeon HD 34xx 
Series]
Subsystem: Sony Corporation Unknown device 9035
Flags: bus master, fast devsel, latency 0, IRQ 17
Memory at d003 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=16K]
Capabilities: [50] Power Management version 3
Capabilities: [58] Express Legacy Endpoint, MSI 00
Capabilities: [a0] Message Signalled Interrupts: Mask- 64bit+ Queue=0/0 
Enable-
Capabilities: [100] Vendor Specific Information 
Kernel driver in use: HDA Intel
Kernel modules: snd-hda-intel

With a standard Fedora 9 installation (updated) I can use the speaker
and an external mic.
I can use also the camera but not the internal mic (that I think is
present near the camera).
Alsamixer and kmix do not show options for mic other that "Front mic".
When I insert headphone, the speaker continue to sound (and also the
headphone).

I tried to use other models for hda-intel driver using the options files
in /etc/modprobe.d
whith 
 options snd-hda-intel model=hippo
headphone inserting mute the speaker, but mic do not work
kmix shows 
  mic - front mic - line - CD as input source but noone works without an
external mic

with
 options snd-hda-intel model=sony-assamd
is the same but with less options as input and output.

Someone can help my to found the right model?

Alsa modules installed are
 alsa-lib-1.0.17-2.fc9.i386.rpm
 alsa-utils-1.0.17-2.fc9.i386.rpm

tnx to all
 Ambrogio

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