Paolo's Info Pack
Just pay attention to two or three ERRATA CORRIGE in between... == Hi to the Virbagen Conspiracy ;) to relief the work of those who didn't get the Feline Interferon story from the beginning, I have decided to put together a big copy/paste mail anyway, recollecting all my old posts about it. Please don't consider me arrogant to quote myself: it's only to avoid some of you to dig through the archives. = (January 8th) Hi all, as I told in my last post, two days ago I learned from my wife that Micia and other four FeLV cats have been treated with Feline Interferon. That was in mid-December. Micia and the other cats received a dose of one million units per kg of weight, for five consecutive days: note that this is exactly the same protocol used in the clinical trial by Mahl, Maynard et al, that Glenda quoted in one of her last posts. Hey guys: IT WORKS !!! Micia and the other cats don't seem FeLV cats any longer. It has to be seen !!! The only transient side effect we noted (we are in contact with the other owners) was a moderate diarrhea and tendence to throw up, that lasted for about 4 days the week after the Interferon. My doubts (reason for which they didn't tell me... GRRR!) were about possible neurological problems, arising from the high doses (compared to oral administration) involved, and eventual problems of various kind. It is not even a month from the injections, so I cannot honestly tell anything about medium and long term consequences: for the moment I observe her continuously... and enjoy what I see :) Her shape is really GREAT... even too much: her appetite is voracious at the point that she would like to eat virtually every time I enter her room. I know that many FeLV cat owners would give an arm to have a cat that eats nearly 2 lbs a day: the problem? When she eats too much, or too fast, she throws up easily. This is a big deal: denying food to an hungry FeLV cat... I have been told that Feline Interferon is not available in the USA. I don't know if it's due to fed limitations (as with Baypamune, that uses cow kidney cells... fear of the mad cow, bleah!) or it's simply not imported. But, if Micia continues on this way, and no strange consequences show up, I would say that this Feline Interferon is definitely worth its cost. Yes, the cat remains positive and, if you have other cats and wish to mix, you must vaccinate the others, but, apart from that, the cat show no sign of the illness. = (January 21st) Hi everybody, I hope that anyone interested in Feline Interferon would be able to get it, in a way or in the other. In Europe, it is manufactured by Merial under the trade name Virbagen Omega. I have been told that it *COULD* be manufactured in the USA, *maybe* by Schering Plough, but I don't know anything precise on that. The mechanism of action of *oral human* Interferon at low doses is MODULATION of the immune system. It triggers the production of cat's own feline Interferon, that is the real benefit; the oral way of administration spoils it of all its negative side effects (pls see my previous post An alternative protocol for Interferon). Instead, *feline* Interferon given sub-Q at relatively high doses (1 million units/kg, Mahl, Maynard et al) works in a totally different way, as an ANTIVIRAL. If you give it orally, the effects are exactly the same as with human Interferon (no longer antiviral, but simply immunomodulator); in THAT respect, it would be a waste, but sub-Q is another music... You can't give HUMAN Interferon sub-Q at those doses because of the cat's reject reaction: you would kill him, or risk severe neurological consequences [NOTE: In my previous post Feline Interferon (Virbagen Omega), I told to be worried about the neuro consequences of high dose sub-Q Feline Interferon. I was wrong. It was a misunderstanding on my part. You only risk neuro consequences with HUMAN Interferon, not Feline]. I don't know whether any literature exists on this, but, as a layman, I would say that, given its powerful *general* ANTIVIRAL action, Feline Interferon has good chances to show up efficient against viruses like Calici. I have been asked by Daniela (THAT Italian girl...), since her PC is down due to dog short-circuiting it with urine :-( , to get info on ANY people in the USA that is using sub-Q Feline Interferon. She.s very interested in it. Any report in this sense will be most appreciated. On my part, I can only keep repeating that Micia looks like the most healthy cat in the world. Her hair is lucent and perfectly clean (before Interferon, it used to be dirty, especially the paws, because of the abnormal salivation and the poor inclination that bad-feeling cats, in general, have for grooming). She's not on any medicine, currently, because -A) she
Re: interferon
Here's a good interferon resource I came across:
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pointe/9352/interferon.html.
Also, I saw an interesting post on the list from a couple years ago. The info
comes from an Italian girl that Paolo talked to. It talks about cycling on and
off to try and correspond with the cat's natural cycle, instead of seemingly
random numbers like 7 and 7. It makes sense. But who knows? It's long. Here's
the original post:
http://64.233.187.104/search?q=cache:x04gHymhgiAJ:www.mail-archive.com/felvtalk%40vlists.net/msg32107.html+virbagen+immunoregulinhl=en.
Copy/paste below:
Hi all,
I would like to share with you an experience with a different
way to administer oral Interferon.
That is definitely NOT flour from my mill. It came out from
several hours on the phone with that fine Italian girl that I
mentioned once, and that is really good in vet medicine,
with the addition of a huge hands-on experience and really
open-minded... much more open-minded that the majority of the
DVMs ;)
Unfortunately, notwithstanding she reads English without
problems
(she lurks here, and in her PC there are even the most obscure
works
from the most obscure universities), she says she's not good at
all in
WRITING in English. What a pity !
We got in contact because she lurked Felvtalk at the time of my
first posts. She would be a great presence on the list, just like at
the times of Dr. Myers, that Felvtalk oldtimers certainly
remember...
Anyway, here is the stuff.
Human recombinant alpha Interferon, in FeLV+ cats, is
generally
administered, orally, according to the well-established protocol
7-days-on-7-days-off, 30 units per time.
Given in this way, alpha Interferon does not act interfering with
the replication of the virus (as it does when given IV at million
units), but instead triggering, through the typical target organs
(tonsils and sub-tongue area), the production of the cat's OWN
interferon (omega Interferon). So, the benefits for the cat come
from
HIS OWN interferon: oral alpha Interferon is just the switch to
promote production of the cat's endogen omega Interferon.
Almost all FeLV+ cats, if not given a particular therapy, such as
Interferon, show the rollercoaster effect that we all know so well;
the cats goes uphill and downhill, and the period of this
up-and-down cycle is not necessarily regular. [ the period of any
physical *repetitive* phenomenon is the TIME
after which the phenomenon repeats identically; the period of
earth's rotation is 24 hours, the period of its revolution is 365
days, the period of AC power from an USA mains outlet at 60
cycles
per second is 1/60 = 0.01666 seconds]
Now, if we take note of the period of the rollercoaster in a
non-Interferon cat, we see that this period is NOT 14 days
(that is the period of the Interferon administration protocol, 7+7).
This means that the two periods (rollercoaster and Interferon) are
asynchronous between them, and would tend to go out of
phase.
In the example below, an hypothetical rollercoaster behaviour
(asterisk= up day) is confronted to the Interferon therapy
(asterisk= Interferon day)
*** *** *** *** ***
We see that, in certain moments, it happens that the last day
of Interferon falls near or at the end of the up period (beginning
of the downhill). It means that the Interferon is removed when the
cat
needs it more!!!
The function of the 7 days off in the standard Interferon
protocol is to avoid that the cat develops an immunity, i.e.
insensitivity, against the oral Interferon that, being *human*
interferon, is marked as alien. So, no problem arises, from this
point of view, should the off period be LONGER than 7 days.
In this light, we modified the protocol.
Interferon was started only when I felt that Micia was beginning
her downhill period (any of us can notice it from many little
signs:
drop of appetite, (s)he doesn't run to us when entering the room,
sleepy behaviour...), and, after the 7th day, it was suspended, but
NOT re-started after 7 days, but only at the beginning of the next
down period.
In this way, Interferon is given the very days the organism
needs it
more, and removed when it can walk on its legs.
I observed that the behaviour of Micia, with the modified
protocol,
was much smoother and more uniform than under the old
protocol.
Not only.
The oral way of administration spoils Interferon of ALL its
*negative*
side effects, that, as you know, can be heavy when given sub-Q
or IV;
to use someone else's words, in this way can't hurt, might help.
Consider that about 89% of the ingested Interferon is lost, and
that
only the Interferon that comes in contact with tonsils and sub-
tongue
area switches on the cat's OWN Interferon production: the
administration should be SLOW, to prolonge the time
OT:Killing of Feral Cats (Update)
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 15:30:45 -0800 (PST) From: Joan Mierzwa [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Humane Society Rips Feral Cat Huntwww.madison.com (WI)Humane Society rips feral cat huntBy Anita WeierMarch 14, 2005The proposal, suggested by a La Crosse man, is one ofthe questions to be considered at Wisconsin Conservation Congressspring meetings around the state at 7 p.m. April 11, including one inDane County at the Alliant Energy Center.The Humane Society called on the Conservation Congresson Thursday to dismiss "this blatantly cruel and unnecessaryproposal" from the agenda, and instead work with animal shelters andhumane societies to stem the flow of cats into the world."Shooting and killing free-roaming cats as a means ofmanagement is archaic and unwarranted," said Stephanie Shain, HumaneSociety director of outreach for companion animals. "The mereconsideration of this proposal is preposterous and if it movesforward, would reflect an unwillingness to explore long-term humanesolutions to conflicts with cats and wildlife."Asked about the Humane Society's request to dismissthe idea, Conservation Congress Chairman Steve Oestreicher said:"That's not going to happen."He stressed that the question before the ConservationCongress is not a plan to go out and shoot cats. It asks whetherthe congress wants the state Department of Natural Resources totake steps to define free-roaming feral domestic cats as anunprotected species.Even if the DNR did that, however, it would still takean act of the Legislature to permit the hunting of cats. The wholeprocess would take at least two years. Here's how it could unfold:If the people who attend the statewide meetings of thecongress approve the proposal this spring, it would have to goback to the DNR, which could either drop the plan or send it backto the 2006 spring congress meetings for more input on whetherferal cats should be reclassified as unprotected or declared a nuisance,Oestreicher explained.If voters at the Conservation Congress meetingsapproved that, the Natural Resources Board would still have to approve arule-making process that would involve public hearings. Followingthat, if the Natural Resources Board approved the proposal, itwould go before the state Legislature for review.So nothing immediate would happen. The earliest achange could occur is 2007, if then."Once folks find out the complete information, theyare much more comfortable," Oestreicher said. "We are not asking fora hunting season, merely seeking citizen input."Oestreicher said he has been getting lots of e-mail onthe subject and had an interview scheduled with a Canadian radiostation Thursday afternoon."That poor guy in La Crosse is getting pounded," hesaid.The proposal originated at last year's spring meetingin La Crosse County, where it was proposed by Mark Smith andapproved with a vote of 54-1.The proposal had come up two or three yearsago at one of the county meetings around the state but was rejected.April meetings: Normally, around 7,000 peoplestatewide attend the annual Wisconsin Conservation Congress meetings inevery county, Oestreicher said, though substantially more came outin 1999 and 2000 when a mourning dove hunt was considered andapproved."It would be great to have an attendance record thisyear," Oestreicher said. "No other state has as much citizeninput on natural resource issues as Wisconsin. The ConservationCongress sees to that."In fact, another controversial proposal may drawrecord crowds this spring. That question on the ballot asks whetherWisconsin should lower its hunting age from 12 to 10.The Humane Society of the United States has condemneda Wisconsin proposal that could lead to the hunting of feral cats.Return to story madison.com is operated by Capital Newspapers,publishers of the Wisconsin State Journal, The Capital Times, Agri-Viewand Apartment Showcase. All contents Copyright ©2005, CapitalNewspapers. All rights reserved. Terrie MohrCheck site for available Siameses for adoption!http://www.iGive.com/TAZZYShttps://www.paypal.com/TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTShttp://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescuehttp://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.htmlhttp://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.htmlTAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTSSIAMESE COLLIE RESCUEOwner/DriverPetfinder.comAdopt a Homeless Pet!http://www.petfinder.com/http://www.orecatay.com/http://www.awca.net/index.htmhttp://www.felineleukemia.org/http://www.petloss.com/http://www.meezer.com/http://thesiamesestore.com/http://tx.siameserescue.org/adopt.htmlhttp://ca.siameserescue.org/http://co.siameserescue.org/http://va.siameserescue.org/ inline: aks.jpginline: logobuttonsq.jpg
Re: Ginger - going off food again
I am trying. The last one was done by Simon's oncologist. He can't do it for my other cats. The local vet agreed to do it but never seems to actually do it. I need to keep bugging her. Michelle In a message dated 3/14/05 5:13:27 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Michelle,You can also put in another application for VO yourself. I've gotten two okays for Grace and one for Jazz. I have one sitting at my vet's office waiting until I have enough money to order it.Nina
RE: OT:Tonya - killing ferals
Tonya, just wanted to add to Nina's comment re e.g. the dogs you worked with for all that time--you're a heroine. Tireless efforts such as yours, at no small risk to life and limb, are the true and original definition of 'heroine' (and not the silly deeds you so often hear the word applied to these days). More power to you. Kerry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nina Sent: Monday, March 14, 2005 4:45 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: OT:Tonya - killing ferals I'm sorry; one more thing that occurs to me that might help change your mind after all. It seems to me, that killing animals because of the suffering they may endure later is akin to how most people/vets feel about immediately euthanizing FeLV/FIV positive cats. While ferals don't have caregivers to ensure the best quality of life, they still deserve to live it. I'm going to try and shut up now. Nina Nina wrote: Tonya, What you went through with those dogs is heart wrenching! How awful for you and the dogs. I should have known there was a story like that behind your comments. My opinion is sometimes trapping and euthanizing is the best we can do for them. And these are domestic animals, whether they be feral from the fault of humans or not, it's a hard life for the adults and horrible for the kittens. :( While there may have been no alternative for those poor feral dogs, it's not the same for feral cats. Dogs pose a danger to the humans in their territory in a way cats never could. Wild cats are fringe dwellers, it's rare to even see a truly feral cat, let alone be threatened by one. They don't hunt in packs and don't pose a threat to humans or domestic pets, (unless of course they are disease ridden, but that is not what we're talking about here). You're right, I still don't agree with trapping and killing healthy cats, just in case they might come to a bad end. I believe where there is life there is hope. TNR is the only humane answer I have found to help alleviate the sometimes horrible suffering of cats and kittens in the colonies. However they got to be feral, whether born to it, or dumped and truly reverted, if it's not possible to socialize them, I think they have a right to remain free to live their lives. I don't think we're going to change each other's minds on this subject. But I can't help voicing mine! Nina catatonya wrote: Thank you Tamara, I know everyone won't agree on this. I've worked with ferals, and I've done spay releases, and I've seen situations that were so bad nothing else could be done I fed a PACK of nearly 20 feral dogs for 2 years, trying to make some progress. These dogs were so wild they would chase me when I took them food! I spent many days running, turning back to 'face them off', trying to get the puppies out before they became feral, etc It was a lose, lose, lose situation. I spent thousands of dollars and millions of tears. I finally had to let animal control go in and trap and euthanize those dogs. It was heartbreaking, but there was no PLACE for them to live, and no hope of socializing them. I've seen cats in construction areas where they were killed because buildings were being demolished, cats crushed in dumpsters, etc. My opinion is sometimes trapping and euthanizing is the best we can do for them. And these are domestic animals, whether they be feral from the fault of humans or not, it's a hard life for the adults and horrible for the kittens. :( t */tamara stickler [EMAIL PROTECTED]/* wrote: Ok, I'm going to play devil's advocate: I have been active in the animal rescue field for most of my life. I have walked into alleyways in crack neighborhoods, by myself, to feed ferals and do rescues. I have spent more money than any sane person should on strays, and even have driven across several states to place the unadoptable because of all I've seen, I HAD TO SEE THE HOME FOR MYSELF, because I DO know first hand, that there ARE places worse than death. Situations worse than death. Loving, forever homes sponsored by legit rescues and good people...worse than death. I'm not advocating the killing of ferals, by any means! But I can understand the reality behind the decision. Not everyone will go to the end of the world for a cat or dog that they didn't specifically choose..We (I am including everyone of you on this list) few are the exceptionand as you all know...there's just not enough of us to go around. I've worked in shelters. I've volunteered at no-kills. There have been animals at both where even I have voiced...Enough. NOT because they weren't worth the trouble...but because there are so few who would take the trouble. As for ferals, we do need to
Re: OT:Killing of Feral Cats (Update)
The guy from www.dontshootthecat.com, a local pet supply store owner, said on the radio last week that if the rule passes, it also poses a danger to outdoor city cats. If a person trapped a cat on his property inside the city limits, where discharging a firearm is not allowed, he could then take the cat outside the city limits and shoot it. Bonnie in WI - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 9:13 am Subject: OT:Killing of Feral Cats (Update) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 15:30:45 -0800 (PST) From: Joan Mierzwa [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Humane Society Rips Feral Cat Hunt www.madison.com (WI) Humane Society rips feral cat hunt By Anita Weier March 14, 2005 The proposal, suggested by a La Crosse man, is one of the questions to be considered at Wisconsin Conservation Congress spring meetings around the state at 7 p.m. April 11, including one in Dane County at the Alliant Energy Center. The Humane Society called on the Conservation Congress on Thursday to dismiss this blatantly cruel and unnecessary proposal from the agenda, and instead work with animal shelters and humane societies to stem the flow of cats into the world. Shooting and killing free-roaming cats as a means of management is archaic and unwarranted, said Stephanie Shain, Humane Society director of outreach for companion animals. The mere consideration of this proposal is preposterous and if it moves forward, would reflect an unwillingness to explore long-term humane solutions to conflicts with cats and wildlife. Asked about the Humane Society's request to dismiss the idea, Conservation Congress Chairman Steve Oestreicher said: That's not going to happen. He stressed that the question before the Conservation Congress is not a plan to go out and shoot cats. It asks whether the congress wants the state Department of Natural Resources to take steps to define free-roaming feral domestic cats as an unprotected species. Even if the DNR did that, however, it would still take an act of the Legislature to permit the hunting of cats. The whole process would take at least two years. Here's how it could unfold: If the people who attend the statewide meetings of the congress approve the proposal this spring, it would have to go back to the DNR, which could either drop the plan or send it back to the 2006 spring congress meetings for more input on whether feral cats should be reclassified as unprotected or declared a nuisance, Oestreicher explained. If voters at the Conservation Congress meetings approved that, the Natural Resources Board would still have to approve a rule-making process that would involve public hearings. Following that, if the Natural Resources Board approved the proposal, it would go before the state Legislature for review. So nothing immediate would happen. The earliest a change could occur is 2007, if then. Once folks find out the complete information, they are much more comfortable, Oestreicher said. We are not asking for a hunting season, merely seeking citizen input. Oestreicher said he has been getting lots of e-mail on the subject and had an interview scheduled with a Canadian radio station Thursday afternoon. That poor guy in La Crosse is getting pounded, he said. The proposal originated at last year's spring meeting in La Crosse County, where it was proposed by Mark Smith and approved with a vote of 54-1.The proposal had come up two or three years ago at one of the county meetings around the state but was rejected. April meetings: Normally, around 7,000 people statewide attend the annual Wisconsin Conservation Congress meetings in every county, Oestreicher said, though substantially more came out in 1999 and 2000 when a mourning dove hunt was considered and approved. It would be great to have an attendance record this year, Oestreicher said. No other state has as much citizen input on natural resource issues as Wisconsin. The Conservation Congress sees to that. In fact, another controversial proposal may draw record crowds this spring. That question on the ballot asks whether Wisconsin should lower its hunting age from 12 to 10. The Humane Society of the United States has condemned a Wisconsin proposal that could lead to the hunting of feral cats. Return to story madison.com is operated by Capital Newspapers, publishers of the Wisconsin State Journal, The Capital Times, Agri-View and Apartment Showcase. All contents Copyright ©2005, Capital Newspapers. All rights reserved. Terrie Mohr Check site for available Siameses for adoption! http://www.iGive.com/TAZZYS https://www.paypal.com/ TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescue
RE: OT:Tonya - killing ferals
I am sorry, but I still cant agree with that There was a situation where we had a total of over 50 feral cats who were fed by someone and the person died of cancer a few months ago, but the rescue group I work with, no one had any intention of trapping and killing them including myself because of it as we knew how much these cats lives meant to the person who died of cancer and she had contributed so much to lives of all the feral cats in the city so what we did was, we trapped all of them (except a few that we couldnt due to some stupid mistakes we made) and there were all taken by someone, and if not, have been relocated to some place where someone else could take care of them there is always risk of re-locating feral and I dont usually go for it but when there is no alternatives, re-locating them is a better choice than killing them. I feel that we humans always have a choice to make, whether we are willing to make it or not we just simply do have a choice regardless of situations. I just simply cant agree to the belief that we have no choice, but to kill them thats an arrogant thinking of our part why not re-locate them and give them another chance if they are healthy just the thought breaks my heart and sometime I am sad that I am one of them -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of catatonya Sent: Monday, March 14, 2005 4:10 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: OT:Tonya - killing ferals I just think we're talking about different situations. My Mamma Kitty I brought home from North Carolina last winter was living with a feral colony. The colony lives in the woods behind my sister's neighborhood. She feeds them, and we try to trap and spay what we can. In the meantime we stay worried sick about them being killed by hawks and coyotes, dogs, etc But we don't just trap them and euthanize them. We let them live out their lives. Other instances are for example 45 cats found living in an abandoned school bus where people had been feeding them and moved away. Property being cleared for new homes. We have a few days to relocate 45 ferals? Not likely. A man dies leaving (we counted over 80) sick, inbred, injured cats on his property. Family wants them gone yesterday, or they call animal control to trap and euthanize. Where do we relocate that many sick, injured cats? Even the well ones. It's very hard to relocate a colony IF on the unlikely chance someone says they'll take them if we spay/neuter them? A restaurant calls with 25 or so ferals living in the dumpsters behind the shopping center. We can get them out within a week or they will poison them. We do what we can do. Sometimes trapping and euthanizing is the only option we have. Currently our humane society just goes into Mobile Home parks and spays/neuters everything they can find. Whether they have homes or not, they leave them to live out their lives. We also have spay days where people who have ferals on their property can use our traps and bring them to us to spay/neuter/release. There are just cases, though, where that won't work. I don't think anyone enjoys 'playing God' with the lives of these animals. But we are basically put in that position and just have to do the best we can. I'm sure all of my cats would be 'happier' if I let them go outside. But I don't, because I don't think that's best for them. That's playing God as well. I'm sure they'd rather have Fancy Feast every day too, but they don't get it. : ) I'm sure they'd rather not go to the vet, etc etc... With children, of course, there is no option to 'kill' them because they are abused, sick, or whatever. I wish that were the case for animals as well. But it's not. Every time we get an email on the list from someone trying to place a sick cat or it will be euthanized are we all guilty because we don't take it? Aren't each of us making a decision that the cat will have to die because we can't take it? It would be nice to solve all the problems, but I don't have the answers either. t Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tonya, What you went through with those dogs is heart wrenching! How awful for you and the dogs. I should have known there was a story like that behind your comments. My opinion is sometimes trapping and euthanizing is the best we can do for them. And these are domestic animals, whether they be feral from the fault of humans or not, it's a hard life for the adults and horrible for the kittens. :( While there may have been no alternative for those poor feral dogs, it's not the same for feral cats. Dogs pose a danger to the humans in their territory in a way cats never could. Wild cats are fringe dwellers, it's rare to even see a truly feral cat, let alone be threatened by one. They don't hunt in packs and don't pose a threat to humans or domestic pets, (unless of course they are
RE: Chicagoland's Cat treehouse - Please cross post
Title: Message Thanks Cherie. I didn't see that. -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Cherie A GabbertSent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 12:26 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: OT: Chicagoland's Cat treehouse - Please cross post This was on the news last night, and they need some help, if we all can crosspost as much as possible. Thanks cherie http://www.treehouseanimals.org/index.pl/homeThis email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
RE: Chicagoland's Cat treehouse - Please cross post
Title: Message Yes, it's such a fantastic place I agree. I always go to their open house and buy my Xmas cards there, and when I used to have spare $$ it wasthe Tree House who got them. That's how I got my brood, in fact---I went to the Tree House to buy Xmas cards and came away (over the next 2 months, anyway!) with 6 FeLV cats. It wasDecember 2003, and I was waiting for thevolunteer on the desk to go find the cards, which I'd ordered ahead of time. It wasa freezingnight. I asked a young woman who hadjust walked in on my heels if she'd come to adopt a cat. No, she said; she'd come because she'd been feeding 7 cats in her yard since October, and now it was so bitterly cold she needed the Tree House to catch them and take them in. Well, to makea long story short, not only could the Tree House not help her or take them inthey said they were at capacity, plus they didn't go out any more to trap catswe couldn't find any shelter in the city to take them. She was going to take them to anti-cruelty, where I knew they would almost certainly have been PTS (and now know they would definitely have done, because of their being both feral and FELV, which we didn't know at the time). (The Tree House, I'm sad to say, even if they had taken them, would not have kept them, because of the FeLV. I was told by a friend who volunteers there that they put FeLV cats to sleep.) And the rest is history! Kerry -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Cherie A GabbertSent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 12:35 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: RE: Chicagoland's Cat treehouse - Please cross post No prob, I think it is a great idea, there are real trees in the house and some of the cats will probally just end up living the rest of their days there, it is a wonderful idea to get cats off the streets. Cherie "MacKenzie, Kerry N." [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks Cherie. I didn't see that. -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Cherie A GabbertSent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 12:26 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: OT: Chicagoland's Cat treehouse - Please cross post This was on the news last night, and they need some help, if we all can crosspost as much as possible. Thanks cherie http://www.treehouseanimals.org/index.pl/homeThis email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
Re: Chicagoland's Cat treehouse - Please cross post
Nice place but I disagree with there views on FeLV. -- Belinda Happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties ... http://www.bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candle Light Service http://www.bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com (affordable hosting web design) http://HostDesign4U.com --- BMK Designs (non-profit web sites) http://bmk.bemikitties.com
Re: Chicagoland's Cat treehouse -Kerry
Kerry, I was always wondering how you ended up with your ferals. But now I really don't understand why you call them "fosters." Are you looking for homes for them? I had thought you called them that because you took them in through a shelter, like I did with mine (I called mine "fosters" for a while too, because they technically were per my original agreement with the shelter, but that quickly changed). Michelle
RE: Chicagoland's Cat treehouse - Please cross post
How can they do that and advertise that they are a NO KILL shelter, that enrages me. Cherie"MacKenzie, Kerry N." [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, it's such a fantastic place I agree. I always go to their open house and buy my Xmas cards there, and when I used to have spare $$ it wasthe Tree House who got them. That's how I got my brood, in fact---I went to the Tree House to buy Xmas cards and came away (over the next 2 months, anyway!) with 6 FeLV cats. It wasDecember 2003, and I was waiting for thevolunteer on the desk to go find the cards, which I'd ordered ahead of time. It wasa freezingnight. I asked a young woman who hadjust walked in on my heels if she'd come to adopt a cat. No, she said; she'd come because she'd been feeding 7 cats in her yard since October, and now it was so bitterly cold she needed the Tree House to catch them and take them in. Well, to makea long story short, not only could the Tree House not help her or take them inthey said they were at capacity, plus they didn't go out any more to trap catswe couldn't find any shelter in the city to take them. She was going to take them to anti-cruelty, where I knew they would almost certainly have been PTS (and now know they would definitely have done, because of their being both feral and FELV, which we didn't know at the time). (The Tree House, I'm sad to say, even if they had taken them, would not have kept them, because of the FeLV. I was told by a friend who volunteers there that they put FeLV cats to sleep.) And the rest is history! Kerry -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Cherie A GabbertSent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 12:35 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: RE: Chicagoland's Cat treehouse - Please cross post No prob, I think it is a great idea, there are real trees in the house and some of the cats will probally just end up living the rest of their days there, it is a wonderful idea to get cats off the streets. Cherie "MacKenzie, Kerry N." [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks Cherie. I didn't see that. -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Cherie A GabbertSent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 12:26 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: OT: Chicagoland's Cat treehouse - Please cross post This was on the news last night, and they need some help, if we all can crosspost as much as possible. Thanks cherie http://www.treehouseanimals.org/index.pl/homeThis email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
Re: Chicagoland's Cat treehouse -Kerry
I was a "foster mom" to two of mine also. Cherie[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kerry, I was always wondering how you ended up with your ferals. But now I really don't understand why you call them "fosters." Are you looking for homes for them? I had thought you called them that because you took them in through a shelter, like I did with mine (I called mine "fosters" for a while too, because they technically were per my original agreement with the shelter, but that quickly changed). Michelle
Re: Chicagoland's Cat treehouse - Please cross post
If I would have know that I would not have posted the page, I apologizeI too do not agree with "killing" any cats even sick ones.CherieBelinda Sauro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nice place but I disagree with there views on FeLV.-- BelindaHappiness is being owned by cats ...Be-Mi-Kitties ...http://www.bemikitties.comPost Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittenshttp://adopt.bemikitties.comFeLV Candle Light Servicehttp://www.bemikitties.com/clsHostDesign4U.com (affordable hosting web design)http://HostDesign4U.com---BMK Designs (non-profit web sites)http://bmk.bemikitties.com
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Hi everyone, I was just doing some research on Feline Leukemia, and found this website. My cat, Maximus, is the best cat ever. My boyfriend and I found him as a stray and took him in. We brought him to the vet (after we fell in love with him), and they did the leukemia test, and it came back positive. We were devastated. So far he seems to be doing okay, but I get scared everyday that I'm going to come home from work and he's going to be sick. He always sounds like he has a cold. I don't know much about the disease, except that there is no cure. He's not even two years old yet. If anyone has any ideas on how I can make sure that he lives as much of a healthy life that he can, that would be great. This is a great website.
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Welcome to the list. You will get a lot of emails. Someone put together a bunch of recommendations and made a little "FeLV primer," and someone else has an email with lots of food and supplement recommendations. I am sure they both will send them to you. In general, make sure Maximus stays as stress-free as possible, avoid surgeries unless absolutely necessary, feed good quality foods (not the ones in supermarkets), feed immune support supplements daily, and learn about what illenesses can strike FeLV+ cats and what the treatments are so you will be prepared if it happens. You will learn specifics on all of these from the aforementioned prefab emails you will probably be sent, and from the archived and ongoing posts. Take care, Michelle In a message dated 3/15/05 2:18:38 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi everyone, I was just doing some research on Feline Leukemia, and found this website. My cat, Maximus, is the best cat ever. My boyfriend and I found him as a stray and took him in. We brought him to the vet (after we fell in love with him), and they did the leukemia test, and it came back positive. We were devastated. So far he seems to be doing okay, but I get scared everyday that I'm going to come home from work and he's going to be sick. He always sounds like he has a cold. I don't know much about the disease, except that there is no cure. He's not even two years old yet. If anyone has any ideas on how I can make sure that he lives as much of a healthy life that he can, that would be great. This is a great website.
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Title: Message Hi, and welcome, though I'm very sorry for the reason you had to find us. Maximus is a lucky kitty to have found you and your boyfriend. You have definitely come to the right place---you'll get great advice AND moral support. I was lucky enough to find this list a year ago, and I don't know what I would have done without the incredibly helpful and specific advice, as well as all the moral support, that I got from the kind, wise, seasoned members on the list. They are a trulyamazing group of individuals. I'm going to send you info on diet supplements. Becausemuch of it comes from a wonderful book that I was referred to when I was still reeling from the discovery that 5 of the 6 kitties I was in the process of taking in all had FeLV, I'm sending it to your private email address toreduce the risk ofrunning into copyright issues. There are also 2 other books that are referred to a lot by members, whichI don't yethave, but I'll dig up the precise names and send those also to you. Welcome again to you and Maximus. I'll be in touch again shortly. Kerry -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 1:18 PMTo: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Message to post Hi everyone, I was just doing some research on Feline Leukemia, and found this website. My cat, Maximus, is the best cat ever. My boyfriend and I found him as a stray and took him in. We brought him to the vet (after we fell in love with him), and they did the leukemia test, and it came back positive. We were devastated. So far he seems to be doing okay, but I get scared everyday that I'm going to come home from work and he's going to be sick. He always sounds like he has a cold. I don't know much about the disease, except that there is no cure. He's not even two years old yet. If anyone has any ideas on how I can make sure that he lives as much of a healthy life that he can, that would be great. This is a great website.This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
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Don't worry about alittle overweight the first thing when these guys get sick to happen is they lose weight. My Bailey is a tiny bit pudgy and I prefer him that way. -- Belinda Happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties ... http://www.bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candle Light Service http://www.bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com (affordable hosting web design) http://HostDesign4U.com --- BMK Designs (non-profit web sites) http://bmk.bemikitties.com
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http://store.purrfectionstores.com/imsysu.html I use this a vitamin supplement. Here is another article that has been posted on the list http://www.emea.eu.int/vetdocs/PDFs/EPAR/virbagenomega/108501en6.pdf I will get more for you soon Cherie[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thank you guys! I have not tried anymedicines on thecat, my doctor didn't recommend any. What is Interferon? And as for food, what do you suggest? I'm feeding him Purina Indoor Formula Cat Chow.The vet did say thathe is slightly overweight, so he will be goingon a diet soon. Thanks again.-Original Message-From: Cherie A Gabbert [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSent: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 11:25:23 -0800 (PST)Subject: Re: Message to post Welcome, Sorry you had to find us this way, but we are all here for each other with tons of support. My Amber Girl is positive and she sounds like she has a cold, you can always here her breathing, but that is ok she is still goodare you using Interferon for Maximus?[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Welcome to the list. You will get a lot of emails. Someone put together a bunch of recommendations and made a little "FeLV primer," and someone else has an email with lots of food and supplement recommendations. I am sure they both will send them to you. In general, make sure Maximus stays as stress-free as possible, avoid surgeries unless absolutely necessary, feed good quality foods (not the ones in supermarkets), feed immune support supplements daily, and learn about what illenesses can strike FeLV+ cats and what the treatments are so you will be prepared if it happens. You will learn specifics on all of these from the aforementioned prefab emails you will probably be sent, and from the archived and ongoing posts. Take care, Michelle In a message dated 3/15/05 2:18:38 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi everyone, I was just doing some research on Feline Leukemia, and found this website. My cat, Maximus, is the best cat ever. My boyfriend and I found him as a stray and took him in. We brought him to the vet (after we fell in love with him), and they did the leukemia test, and it came back positive. We were devastated. So far he seems to be doing okay, but I get scared everyday that I'm going to come home from work and he's going to be sick. He always sounds like he has a cold. I don't know much about the disease, except that there is no cure. He's not even two years old yet. If anyone has any ideas on how I can make sure that he lives as much of a healthy life that he can, that would be great. This is a great website.
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Title: Message I just sent diet suggestions to your aol address. Would you mind please confirmingwhen you get it. Don't concern yourself with putting Maximus on a diet. Be glad he enjoys his food! (One of the biggest problems many of us unfortunately encounter at some point in our FeLv kitties is lack of interest in eating.) One more thing: you will find that many members' advice is better than many vets' advice, as many--probably most---vets unfortunately don't know much about FeLV. take care, Kerry -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 1:45 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: Message to post Thank you guys! I have not tried anymedicines on thecat, my doctor didn't recommend any. What is Interferon? And as for food, what do you suggest? I'm feeding him Purina Indoor Formula Cat Chow.The vet did say thathe is slightly overweight, so he will be goingon a diet soon. Thanks again.-Original Message-From: Cherie A Gabbert [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSent: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 11:25:23 -0800 (PST)Subject: Re: Message to post Welcome, Sorry you had to find us this way, but we are all here for each other with tons of support. My Amber Girl is positive and she sounds like she has a cold, you can always here her breathing, but that is ok she is still goodare you using Interferon for Maximus?[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Welcome to the list. You will get a lot of emails. Someone put together a bunch of recommendations and made a little "FeLV primer," and someone else has an email with lots of food and supplement recommendations. I am sure they both will send them to you. In general, make sure Maximus stays as stress-free as possible, avoid surgeries unless absolutely necessary, feed good quality foods (not the ones in supermarkets), feed immune support supplements daily, and learn about what illenesses can strike FeLV+ cats and what the treatments are so you will be prepared if it happens. You will learn specifics on all of these from the aforementioned prefab emails you will probably be sent, and from the archived and ongoing posts. Take care, Michelle In a message dated 3/15/05 2:18:38 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi everyone, I was just doing some research on Feline Leukemia, and found this website. My cat, Maximus, is the best cat ever. My boyfriend and I found him as a stray and took him in. We brought him to the vet (after we fell in love with him), and they did the leukemia test, and it came back positive. We were devastated. So far he seems to be doing okay, but I get scared everyday that I'm going to come home from work and he's going to be sick. He always sounds like he has a cold. I don't know much about the disease, except that there is no cure. He's not even two years old yet. If anyone has any ideas on how I can make sure that he lives as much of a healthy life that he can, that would be great. This is a great website. This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
OT: Email Problems
Hi, I'm still struggling with all the bouncing emails and am getting about 2000 to 4000, EVERY hour. I also have about 45,000 in the old.messages folder, not to mention my trash folder is huge also. It is a never ending battle, I'm spending my whole day just trying to stay on top of the email situation and getting nothing else done. The old.messages are ones from last week and earlier this week. I'm going to have my server delete them so if you sent me anything in the last week and have not heard from me you'll need to resend it. I spent 10 hours yesterday deleting messages out of the old.mesage folder and got it from 69,000 messages down to 46,000, at that rate it will take 5 more days to go through them and doing nothing else, I can't afford to get 5 days behind in everything else so I am having them deleted. While I was deleting those, I also had to try and keep up with incoming mail at the tune of 3 to 4000 and hour. This morning at 4AM I woke up to 12,000 emails in my inbox, it is now 9:30 AM and I finally got down to nothing, five hours of email checking. And it is about time for the flood to start again, and I have a good week or longer to deal with incoming before all of the 6 or 7 days worth that went out are finally through bouncing. So please if you sent me any thing or ever do in the future and DO NOT hear from me in a week (I ALWAYS acknowledge emails, even if only to say I haven't had a chance to get to whatever it may be), send it again, I didn't get it if I didn't acknowledge it. God I hate emails right now :)) -- Belinda Happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties ... http://www.bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candle Light Service http://www.bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com (affordable hosting web design) http://HostDesign4U.com --- BMK Designs (non-profit web sites) http://bmk.bemikitties.com
Re: OT: Email Problems
We all understand and regrettfully some of us have been in your shoes...good luck ;-)) CherieBelinda Sauro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi,I'm still struggling with all the bouncing emails and am getting about2000 to 4000, EVERY hour. I also have about 45,000 in theold.messages folder, not to mention my trash folder is huge also. Itis a never ending battle, I'm spending my whole day just trying tostay on top of the email situation and getting nothing else done. The old.messages are ones from last week and earlier this week. I'm going to have my server delete them so if you sent me anything in the last week and have not heard from me you'll need to resend it.I spent 10 hours yesterday deleting messages out of the old.mesage folder and got it from 69,000 messages down to 46,000, at that rate it will take 5 more days to go through them and doing nothing else, I can't afford to get 5 days behind in everything else so I am having them deleted. While I was deleting those, I also had to try and keep up with incoming mail at the tune of 3 to 4000 and hour. This morning at 4AM I woke up to 12,000 emails in my inbox, it is now 9:30 AM and I finally got down to nothing, five hours of email checking. And it is about time for the flood to start again, and I have a good week or longer to deal with incoming before all of the 6 or 7 days worth that went out are finally through bouncing.So please if you sent me any thing or ever do in the future and DO NOT hear from me in a week (I ALWAYS acknowledge emails, even if only to say I haven't had a chance to get to whatever it may be), send it again, I didn't get it if I didn't acknowledge it.God I hate emails right now :))-- BelindaHappiness is being owned by cats ...Be-Mi-Kitties ...http://www.bemikitties.comPost Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittenshttp://adopt.bemikitties.comFeLV Candle Light Servicehttp://www.bemikitties.com/clsHostDesign4U.com (affordable hosting web design)http://HostDesign4U.com---BMK Designs (non-profit web sites)http://bmk.bemikitties.com
RE: Chicagoland's Cat treehouse - Please cross post
Title: Message Yes, you're right Cherie. I don't have any spare $$$ anyway these days but I decidedthat when I do it will go to a FeLV shelter in future. I can't be totally anti them, because they do so much for injured and (other) sick cats. -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Cherie A GabbertSent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 1:15 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: RE: Chicagoland's Cat treehouse - Please cross post How can they do that and advertise that they are a NO KILL shelter, that enrages me. Cherie"MacKenzie, Kerry N." [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, it's such a fantastic place I agree. I always go to their open house and buy my Xmas cards there, and when I used to have spare $$ it wasthe Tree House who got them. That's how I got my brood, in fact---I went to the Tree House to buy Xmas cards and came away (over the next 2 months, anyway!) with 6 FeLV cats. It wasDecember 2003, and I was waiting for thevolunteer on the desk to go find the cards, which I'd ordered ahead of time. It wasa freezingnight. I asked a young woman who hadjust walked in on my heels if she'd come to adopt a cat. No, she said; she'd come because she'd been feeding 7 cats in her yard since October, and now it was so bitterly cold she needed the Tree House to catch them and take them in. Well, to makea long story short, not only could the Tree House not help her or take them inthey said they were at capacity, plus they didn't go out any more to trap catswe couldn't find any shelter in the city to take them. She was going to take them to anti-cruelty, where I knew they would almost certainly have been PTS (and now know they would definitely have done, because of their being both feral and FELV, which we didn't know at the time). (The Tree House, I'm sad to say, even if they had taken them, would not have kept them, because of the FeLV. I was told by a friend who volunteers there that they put FeLV cats to sleep.) And the rest is history! Kerry -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Cherie A GabbertSent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 12:35 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: RE: Chicagoland's Cat treehouse - Please cross post No prob, I think it is a great idea, there are real trees in the house and some of the cats will probally just end up living the rest of their days there, it is a wonderful idea to get cats off the streets. Cherie "MacKenzie, Kerry N." [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks Cherie. I didn't see that. -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Cherie A GabbertSent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 12:26 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: OT: Chicagoland's Cat treehouse - Please cross post This was on the news last night, and they need some help, if we all can crosspost as much as possible. Thanks cherie http://www.treehouseanimals.org/index.pl/homeThis email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
Re: for Michelle--the reason they are still foster cats
Kerry, You had told me some of the story before, but not all. Thanks for the in depth description of how you came to have them in your life. Seems to me they were put in your path for good reason. I'm glad for them and glad for us, because we certainly never would have crossed paths if not for them! I've been wondering how you were doing with helping them to learn to trust you. I haven't heard from you in a while about it, so I assumed you just hadn't had the time to try and socialize them. Do you have any time off from work due you? Some concentrated time at home would probably work wonders. Have you ever tried separating them to work with them one on one? Nina MacKenzie, Kerry N. wrote: Thanks for asking, Michelle. I should first clarify that the shelter (Tree House) wanted, and had, nothing to do with the cats :(. They'd had 16 kittens left on their doorstep the previous night, and there already was NO room at the inn. So the only relevance the Tree House has in their history is that I happened to strike up a conversation with the rescuer on the Tree House premises. Knowing these cats were living in the open during a Chicago winter, there was no way in the world I could walk away from them. The idea of these poor little mites trying to survive in sub-zero temps was heart-breaking. (Well, you guys sure know how that story goes.) I trawled the shelters as fast as I could (because the rescuer was going to take them to Anti-Cruelty) and finally PAWS said that while they would not take them they would spay and neuter them and put them on their web site for adoption, and deal with the adoption side of things, as long as I fostered them. I figured I could do that--seemed pretty straighforward, ignorance is bliss: I look after them, they look for adopters, and hey presto the kitties have nice new homes! As if it isn't hard enough to find good homes, it soon came to light that they were both feral and FeLV. (I thought until then that feral just meant stray---just finding out about traps and learning how they work lost valuable time.) AnywayI have always wanted to find them homes, where they can run around instead of being confined to one room as they are now, but I don't feel they stand a chance while they're feral as well as FeLV. So, I've been (unsuccessfully so far) trying to tame the little scamps. I figured that if they were at least cuddle-able, there was a chance some good souls would give them a proper home. I know I also need to be able to post pix and bios, and that's something I don't have the capability of doing yet, but was working towards until my laptop broke down last week! (Ever feel like you're wading thro molasses?!) It breaks my heart having them confined to one room, but I can't bring myself to risk my healthy cats contracting the disease. It's a conflict that I wrestle with every day. The other important factor in the foster moniker is that there's a 50/50 chance I will have to relocate to the UK in the foreseeable future, and legally I would not be able to take the FeLV kitties. If I can find homes for them, I would like to continue to foster FeLV kitties---but officially through a shelter, not on the present basis---while I'm still in the US. (And of course, wherever I am.) Hope that clarifies things! And if anyone has any ideas on my finding homes please let me have them! Kerry -Original Message- *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] *Sent:* Tuesday, March 15, 2005 1:14 PM *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Subject:* Re: Chicagoland's Cat treehouse -Kerry Kerry, I was always wondering how you ended up with your ferals. But now I really don't understand why you call them fosters. Are you looking for homes for them? I had thought you called them that because you took them in through a shelter, like I did with mine (I called mine fosters for a while too, because they technically were per my original agreement with the shelter, but that quickly changed). Michelle This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
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Amen waiting for almost 10 month Loki to beef up! He's a fine figure of a young man for his age, but I would love for him to be one fat cat! :-) Steve -Original Message-From:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 12:19 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org I agree. I am happy when my positives are a little overweight. It gives them some reserves if they stop eating when they get sick (force feeding and apptetite stimulants, while necessary and helpful,do not totally prevent weight loss when they are sick). Michelle In a message dated 3/15/05 2:50:50 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Don't worry about alittle overweight the first thing when these guys get sick to happen is they lose weight. My Bailey is a tiny bit pudgy and I prefer him that way.--
RE: OT:Tonya - killing ferals
Hideyo, I believe you interpreted Squeekie's eye contact conversation correctly. No its not silly. Animals are smarter than most give them credit for, and unlike humans, animals are not quick to forget a kindness. Next time you see her, talk to her softly...use the slow blink that cats often use to say 'hi", and play it by heart. I am curious what you plan to do with her should you manage to catch her again? Just worried that if your neighbor sees her out again...she might be caught and released yet again.Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for the tip, Tamara. Actually, I was thinking of a dog trap that I have, as you said (and you are right), she is more cautious now Right now, there is a normal cat trap with the food but not set (left open with the bungee code) so that she can get used to eat in there but there are other cats who eat there, I am thinking of using a dog trap which is much bigger, and I need to manually manipulate the swing door of the trap using a long long rope so that I can close it from a distance when I see her go and eat After she ate last night (and I am hoping that it is her, since there is another cat look like her that eats there) she saw me and we had an eye contact for about 15 seconds or so everything stopped for the moment as if she was saying to me, are you here to save my life??? something about the way she looked at me, I felt that (silly, huh?) she did not run right away, but continued to look at me maybe she remembered me as I took care of her and her siblings when the owner was out of town for a while She used to sleep under the bed in my friends house, now she doesnt even know where she is supposed to sleep and it breaks my heart to think about it please continue to pray that I will be re-united with her very very soon, you guys! Thank you very much, Hideyo -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of tamara sticklerSent: Monday, March 14, 2005 2:08 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: RE: OT:Tonya - killing ferals God bless ya Hideyo...I'll keep you both in my prayers! (Tip: Squeekie might be extremely cautious of closed in spaces and be very hard to trap now. Try, if you can, a small dog crate...pref. black bars...put grass or leaves or debris of some such in the bottom so it smells the same as the area on which it sitsfeed her in there for several days without trying to catch her...once she becomes comfortable eating in there...swing the door closed and off you can go! You can find these crate at PetSmart for $45 or at the local humane society...they are often left behind with dogs are turned over...Good luck! Keep us informed!)"MacKenzie, Kerry N." [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I said it before and I'll say it again, Hideyo: you're an angel. you really are. You're those kitties' guardian angel. Sending positive vibes that you find Squeekie, and you find her soon~~Kerry -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hideyo YamamotoSent: Monday, March 14, 2005 2:43 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: RE: OT:Tonya - killing ferals I have to definitely agree with Nina. We, humans are the most powerful creature on earth, and can be the most egotistical and arrogant one, too by abusing the power we have over smaller (physically) creatures. In my mind, our lives are not any more important than any other creatures on earth. We have no right to end any creatures life before their time come we are supposed to protect lives of creatures who need us but not to kill it. I have a neighbor who eventually became a friend overtime as we happened to have the same interest which is to rescue feral cats. She moved from one side of town to the other about 9 months ago and I eventually helped her move all of her feral cats she used to feed at her old house to her new home. Before I agreed to help her, I did warn her that she was about to change their lives, and they may not be necessary asking for the change or may not wanting the change (regardless of her good intensions), but as long as she does so (regardless thats what they want or not), I would like her to make sure that she has a responsibility to take care of their lives for the rest of their lives. And she said, yes, and so, I helped her move all the cats and helped them get socialized She did not do everything as I had asked her to do, and she lost one of 10 cats in two days I had asked her to keep these cats in a cage for at least week so that they can feel safe in their sanctuary and can get used to smell of the new house and feel secure again. But she got stressed out by one of the cats who was making a noise and she opened the cage and let the cat go outside of course, the cat (Snoodle) had no idea where she was and never came back or seen. I put the flyers all over the neighborhood and tried to find her (the owner was not willing to spend the time on
Re: OT: New addition
The only thing I remember for older kitties (and people) is B12. Remember Jamie's family cat that was older than she was? That's the only special thing they did for her.[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, Last week this time I picked up a kitty that was willed to my rescue that another Humane Society had delivered to me. They drove over 3 hours to get her to me. Never had one this old willed to me before. The person was put into a nursing home and passed on. This kitty I swear maybe had a few days of life in her...now she is progressing well...Amazing! Anyway, the kitty is negativeon theFelv/Fiv test (they tested her). She is a 15 yr old Spayed female Siamese purebred. She was extremely underweight she is alarge bonedkitty and has big feet. She could very easily weigh when healthy 14-15 pounds but she is lucky if she weighs 5-6 pounds at the time of arrival. Very nice personality gets along with my others. I have been feeding her alot of different dryfoods because I free feed my kitties. Been giving her extra wetfood as well. She has gain almost a pound since being here. Fur is getting soft. She had diarrhea the first 2 days, now that is gone stools are solid and normal...YAY! Is there something else that I can give her to help boost her system? Like supplements or something? She will be pampered by my husband and I for the rest of her life. Last night she purred for the first time since being here. She is such a sweetie too...By the way she does sleep with us and the other kitties on our bed. THANK GOD it's a King Size bed! I'm open for any suggestions...thanks! Terrie MohrCheck site for available Siameses for adoption!http://www.iGive.com/TAZZYShttps://www.paypal.com/TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTShttp://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescuehttp://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.htmlhttp://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.htmlTAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTSSIAMESE COLLIE RESCUEOwner/DriverPetfinder.comAdopt a Homeless Pet!http://www.petfinder.com/http://www.orecatay.com/http://www.awca.net/index.htmhttp://www.felineleukemia.org/http://www.petloss.com/http://www.meezer.com/http://thesiamesestore.com/http://tx.siameserescue.org/adopt.htmlhttp://ca.siameserescue.org/http://co.siameserescue.org/http://va.siameserescue.org/Barb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito"My cat the clown: paying no mind to whom he should impress. Merely living his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile."- Anonymous Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - Sign up for Fantasy Baseball.image/jpegimage/jpeg
RE: New addition
Title: Message I've got tears in my eyes. That's fabulous, Terrie. I wish you, your husbandand Kitty (have you named her yet) many happy years together. Kerry -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 4:21 PMTo: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: OT: New addition Hi all, Last week this time I picked up a kitty that was willed to my rescue that another Humane Society had delivered to me. They drove over 3 hours to get her to me. Never had one this old willed to me before. The person was put into a nursing home and passed on. This kitty I swear maybe had a few days of life in her...now she is progressing well...Amazing! Anyway, the kitty is negativeon theFelv/Fiv test (they tested her). She is a 15 yr old Spayed female Siamese purebred. She was extremely underweight she is alarge bonedkitty and has big feet. She could very easily weigh when healthy 14-15 pounds but she is lucky if she weighs 5-6 pounds at the time of arrival. Very nice personality gets along with my others. I have been feeding her alot of different dryfoods because I free feed my kitties. Been giving her extra wetfood as well. She has gain almost a pound since being here. Fur is getting soft. She had diarrhea the first 2 days, now that is gone stools are solid and normal...YAY! Is there something else that I can give her to help boost her system? Like supplements or something? She will be pampered by my husband and I for the rest of her life. Last night she purred for the first time since being here. She is such a sweetie too...By the way she does sleep with us and the other kitties on our bed. THANK GOD it's a King Size bed! I'm open for any suggestions...thanks! Terrie MohrCheck site for available Siameses for adoption!http://www.iGive.com/TAZZYShttps://www.paypal.com/TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTShttp://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescuehttp://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.htmlhttp://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.htmlTAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTSSIAMESE COLLIE RESCUEOwner/DriverPetfinder.comAdopt a Homeless Pet!http://www.petfinder.com/http://www.orecatay.com/http://www.awca.net/index.htmhttp://www.felineleukemia.org/http://www.petloss.com/http://www.meezer.com/http://thesiamesestore.com/http://tx.siameserescue.org/adopt.htmlhttp://ca.siameserescue.org/http://co.siameserescue.org/http://va.siameserescue.org/This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. aks.jpglogobuttonsq.jpg
Re: OT: New addition
How about Ensurecongratulations though on your new addition, she will be very happy with her new family ;-)) Cherie[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, Last week this time I picked up a kitty that was willed to my rescue that another Humane Society had delivered to me. They drove over 3 hours to get her to me. Never had one this old willed to me before. The person was put into a nursing home and passed on. This kitty I swear maybe had a few days of life in her...now she is progressing well...Amazing! Anyway, the kitty is negativeon theFelv/Fiv test (they tested her). She is a 15 yr old Spayed female Siamese purebred. She was extremely underweight she is alarge bonedkitty and has big feet. She could very easily weigh when healthy 14-15 pounds but she is lucky if she weighs 5-6 pounds at the time of arrival. Very nice personality gets along with my others. I have been feeding her alot of different dryfoods because I free feed my kitties. Been giving her extra wetfood as well. She has gain almost a pound since being here. Fur is getting soft. She had diarrhea the first 2 days, now that is gone stools are solid and normal...YAY! Is there something else that I can give her to help boost her system? Like supplements or something? She will be pampered by my husband and I for the rest of her life. Last night she purred for the first time since being here. She is such a sweetie too...By the way she does sleep with us and the other kitties on our bed. THANK GOD it's a King Size bed! I'm open for any suggestions...thanks! Terrie MohrCheck site for available Siameses for adoption!http://www.iGive.com/TAZZYShttps://www.paypal.com/TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTShttp://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescuehttp://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.htmlhttp://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.htmlTAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTSSIAMESE COLLIE RESCUEOwner/DriverPetfinder.comAdopt a Homeless Pet!http://www.petfinder.com/http://www.orecatay.com/http://www.awca.net/index.htmhttp://www.felineleukemia.org/http://www.petloss.com/http://www.meezer.com/http://thesiamesestore.com/http://tx.siameserescue.org/adopt.htmlhttp://ca.siameserescue.org/http://co.siameserescue.org/http://va.siameserescue.org/image/jpegimage/jpeg
Re: OT: New addition
Oh yeah that's right...wonder how Jaime is doing these days? Has anyone heard from her? In a message dated 3/15/2005 2:34:31 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The only thing I remember for older kitties (and people) is B12. Remember Jamie's family cat that was older than she was? That's the only special thing they did for her. Terrie MohrCheck site for available Siameses for adoption!http://www.iGive.com/TAZZYShttps://www.paypal.com/TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTShttp://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescuehttp://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.htmlhttp://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.htmlTAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTSSIAMESE COLLIE RESCUEOwner/DriverPetfinder.comAdopt a Homeless Pet!http://www.petfinder.com/http://www.orecatay.com/http://www.awca.net/index.htmhttp://www.felineleukemia.org/http://www.petloss.com/http://www.meezer.com/http://thesiamesestore.com/http://tx.siameserescue.org/adopt.htmlhttp://ca.siameserescue.org/http://co.siameserescue.org/http://va.siameserescue.org/ inline: aks.jpginline: logobuttonsq.jpg
Re: New addition
Kerry, Well, at least they did get the kitty's name. We decided to keep it that way. Her name is Ling... Thank you...we hope she has many with us too! In a message dated 3/15/2005 2:35:28 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I've got tears in my eyes. That's fabulous, Terrie. I wish you, your husbandand Kitty (have you named her yet) many happy years together. Kerry Terrie MohrCheck site for available Siameses for adoption!http://www.iGive.com/TAZZYShttps://www.paypal.com/TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTShttp://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescuehttp://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.htmlhttp://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.htmlTAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTSSIAMESE COLLIE RESCUEOwner/DriverPetfinder.comAdopt a Homeless Pet!http://www.petfinder.com/http://www.orecatay.com/http://www.awca.net/index.htmhttp://www.felineleukemia.org/http://www.petloss.com/http://www.meezer.com/http://thesiamesestore.com/http://tx.siameserescue.org/adopt.htmlhttp://ca.siameserescue.org/http://co.siameserescue.org/http://va.siameserescue.org/ inline: aks.jpginline: logobuttonsq.jpg
Re: OT: New addition
Terrie, That's wonderful about Ling adjusting. Do you think she was so underweight because her human was taken away from her? Thank goodness she's found herself in such a loving home. You could try Nutrical, (it's for underweight kitties to help them gain energy and nutrients). Also, I haven't tried it myself yet, but what about Petinic (sp?). It was suggested by my GP vet as an overall supplement and I've heard others on the list talk about it. B12 does sound like a good idea, but I don't think I'd subject her to injections so soon after the transition, especially since she's beginning to trust you. I don't know if it's worth taking the chance of setting her back and making her suspicious of you. I've given sublingual B12, but have been told it's not effective that way. I'm betting if you offer her yummy stuff whenever you catch her looking at you, she'll soon fatten up. God bless you and your whole tribe! Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, Last week this time I picked up a kitty that was willed to my rescue that another Humane Society had delivered to me. They drove over 3 hours to get her to me. Never had one this old willed to me before. The person was put into a nursing home and passed on. This kitty I swear maybe had a few days of life in her...now she is progressing well...Amazing! Anyway, the kitty is negativeon theFelv/Fiv test (they tested her). She is a 15 yr old Spayed female Siamese purebred. She was extremely underweight she is alarge bonedkitty and has big feet. She could very easily weigh when healthy 14-15 pounds but she is lucky if she weighs 5-6 pounds at the time of arrival. Very nice personality gets along with my others. I have been feeding her alot of different dryfoods because I free feed my kitties. Been giving her extra wetfood as well. She has gain almost a pound since being here. Fur is getting soft. She had diarrhea the first 2 days, now that is gone stools are solid and normal...YAY! Is there something else that I can give her to help boost her system? Like supplements or something? She will be pampered by my husband and I for the rest of her life. Last night she purred for the first time since being here. She is such a sweetie too...By the way she does sleep with us and the other kitties on our bed. THANK GOD it's a King Size bed! I'm open for any suggestions...thanks! Terrie Mohr Check site for available Siameses for adoption! http://www.iGive.com/TAZZYS https://www.paypal.com/ TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescue http://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.html http://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.html TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS SIAMESE COLLIE RESCUE Owner/Driver Petfinder.com Adopt a Homeless Pet! http://www.petfinder.com/ http://www.orecatay.com/ http://www.awca.net/index.htm http://www.felineleukemia.org/ http://www.petloss.com/ http://www.meezer.com/ http://thesiamesestore.com/ http://tx.siameserescue.org/adopt.html http://ca.siameserescue.org/ http://co.siameserescue.org/ http://va.siameserescue.org/ image/jpegimage/jpeg
RE: OT:Tonya - killing ferals
Hi Hideyo, I don't know your situation, but where I live there is nowhere to relocate that many cats.The area is fast growing, and every square inch of land is being used to build more houses, more houses, more houses. Everyone I know in rescue is up to their eyeballs and financially to their limit with cats. Our shelter puts down hundreds of adoptable cats and kittens a year . We have had 3 instances of around 100 cats (each!)being confiscated here in GA in just the past month. In one case a 'foster/rescue' person left the country and left around 145 cats in her house. When the neighbors noticed the smell and called the police only around 25 cats were still alive. The cats had starved. And this was in an affluent suburb of Atlanta. The rural areas are even worse. (They did arrest the lady just last week.) But we have many situations where someone tries to help and ends up in these kinds of situations ON TOP of the thousands that go through the shelters and rescues. ON TOP of the ferals...There's only so much you can do. But I'm ending this thread. I wish those of you that canrelocate and maintainthat many feralswould move down here! : ) tHideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am sorry, but I still cant agree with that There was a situation where we had a total of over 50 feral cats who were fed by someone and the person died of cancer a few months ago, but the rescue group I work with, no one had any intention of trapping and killing them including myself because of it as we knew how much these cats lives meant to the person who died of cancer and she had contributed so much to lives of all the feral cats in the city so what we did was, we trapped all of them (except a few that we couldnt due to some stupid mistakes we made) and there were all taken by someone, and if not, have been relocated to some place where someone else could take care of them there is always risk of re-locating feral and I dont usually go for it but when there is no alternatives, re-locating them is a better choice than killing them. I feel that we humans always have a choice to make, whether we are willing to make it or not we just simply do have a choice regardless of situations. I just simply cant agree to the belief that we have no choice, but to kill them thats an arrogant thinking of our part why not re-locate them and give them another chance if they are healthy just the thought breaks my heart and sometime I am sad that I am one of them -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of catatonyaSent: Monday, March 14, 2005 4:10 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: OT:Tonya - killing ferals I just think we're talking about different situations. My Mamma Kitty I brought home from North Carolina last winter was living with a feral colony. The colony lives in the woods behind my sister's neighborhood. She feeds them, and we try to trap and spay what we can. In the meantime we stay worried sick about them being killed by hawks and coyotes, dogs, etc But we don't just trap them and euthanize them. We let them live out their lives. Other instances are for example 45 cats found living in an abandoned school bus where people had been feeding them and moved away. Property being cleared for new homes. We have a few days to relocate 45 ferals? Not likely. A man dies leaving (we counted over 80) sick, inbred, injured cats on his property. Family wants them gone yesterday, or they call animal control to trap and euthanize. Where do we relocate that many sick, injured cats? Even the well ones. It's very hard to relocate a colony IF on the unlikely chance someone says they'll take them if we spay/neuter them? A restaurant calls with 25 or so ferals living in the dumpsters behind the shopping center. We can get them out within a week or they will poison them. We do what we can do. Sometimes trapping and euthanizing is the only option we have. Currently our humane society just goes into Mobile Home parks and spays/neuters everything they can find. Whether they have homes or not, they leave them to live out their lives. We also have spay days where people who have ferals on their property can use our traps and bring them to us to spay/neuter/release. There are just cases, though, where that won't work. I don't think anyone enjoys 'playing God' with the lives of these animals. But we are basically put in that position and just have to do the best we can. I'm sure all of my cats would be 'happier' if I let them go outside. But I don't, because I don't think that's best for them. That's playing "God" as well. I'm sure they'd rather have Fancy Feast every day too, but they don't get it. : ) I'm sure they'd rather not go to the vet, etc etc... With children, of course, there is no option to 'kill' them because they are abused, sick, or whatever. I wish that were the case for animals as well. But it's not. Every
Re: raising kittens???
That's good news about the babies. Weaning is frustrating, but they can go from not having a clue to scarfing out of a dish in a couple of days. Have fun with them! This time goes so fast. Where there's Life, there's HopeKathy"There is nothing so strong as gentleness, and there is nothing so gentle as real strength." ~ Sir Francis de Sates
RE: New addition
Title: Message Ditto a story like this makes our day, doesnt it? Thank you for sharing and for giving your love and new home to your new baby. Hideyo -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of MacKenzie, Kerry N. Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 3:35 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: New addition I've got tears in my eyes. That's fabulous, Terrie. I wish you, your husbandand Kitty (have you named her yet) many happy years together. Kerry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 4:21 PM To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: OT: New addition Hi all, Last week this time I picked up a kitty that was willed to my rescue that another Humane Society had delivered to me. They drove over 3 hours to get her to me. Never had one this old willed to me before. The person was put into a nursing home and passed on. This kitty I swear maybe had a few days of life in her...now she is progressing well...Amazing! Anyway, the kitty is negativeon theFelv/Fiv test (they tested her). She is a 15 yr old Spayed female Siamese purebred. She was extremely underweight she is alarge bonedkitty and has big feet. She could very easily weigh when healthy 14-15 pounds but she is lucky if she weighs 5-6 pounds at the time of arrival. Very nice personality gets along with my others. I have been feeding her alot of different dryfoods because I free feed my kitties. Been giving her extra wetfood as well. She has gain almost a pound since being here. Fur is getting soft. She had diarrhea the first 2 days, now that is gone stools are solid and normal...YAY! Is there something else that I can give her to help boost her system? Like supplements or something? She will be pampered by my husband and I for the rest of her life. Last night she purred for the first time since being here. She is such a sweetie too...By the way she does sleep with us and the other kitties on our bed. THANK GOD it's a King Size bed! I'm open for any suggestions...thanks! Terrie Mohr Check site for available Siameses for adoption! http://www.iGive.com/TAZZYS https://www.paypal.com/ TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescue http://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.html http://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.html TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS SIAMESE COLLIE RESCUE Owner/Driver Petfinder.com Adopt a Homeless Pet! http://www.petfinder.com/ http://www.orecatay.com/ http://www.awca.net/index.htm http://www.felineleukemia.org/ http://www.petloss.com/ http://www.meezer.com/ http://thesiamesestore.com/ http://tx.siameserescue.org/adopt.html http://ca.siameserescue.org/ http://co.siameserescue.org/ http://va.siameserescue.org/ This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. image001.jpgimage002.jpg
Re: OT: New addition
Congratulations on your new addition! It sounds like you're making good progress, so I don't have any ideas except maybe some good vitamins. She's s lucky girl to get to live out the rest of her life with you! t[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, Last week this time I picked up a kitty that was willed to my rescue that another Humane Society had delivered to me. They drove over 3 hours to get her to me. Never had one this old willed to me before. The person was put into a nursing home and passed on. This kitty I swear maybe had a few days of life in her...now she is progressing well...Amazing! Anyway, the kitty is negativeon theFelv/Fiv test (they tested her). She is a 15 yr old Spayed female Siamese purebred. She was extremely underweight she is alarge bonedkitty and has big feet. She could very easily weigh when healthy 14-15 pounds but she is lucky if she weighs 5-6 pounds at the time of arrival. Very nice personality gets along with my others. I have been feeding her alot of different dryfoods because I free feed my kitties. Been giving her extra wetfood as well. She has gain almost a pound since being here. Fur is getting soft. She had diarrhea the first 2 days, now that is gone stools are solid and normal...YAY! Is there something else that I can give her to help boost her system? Like supplements or something? She will be pampered by my husband and I for the rest of her life. Last night she purred for the first time since being here. She is such a sweetie too...By the way she does sleep with us and the other kitties on our bed. THANK GOD it's a King Size bed! I'm open for any suggestions...thanks! Terrie MohrCheck site for available Siameses for adoption!http://www.iGive.com/TAZZYShttps://www.paypal.com/TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTShttp://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescuehttp://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.htmlhttp://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.htmlTAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTSSIAMESE COLLIE RESCUEOwner/DriverPetfinder.comAdopt a Homeless Pet!http://www.petfinder.com/http://www.orecatay.com/http://www.awca.net/index.htmhttp://www.felineleukemia.org/http://www.petloss.com/http://www.meezer.com/http://thesiamesestore.com/http://tx.siameserescue.org/adopt.htmlhttp://ca.siameserescue.org/http://co.siameserescue.org/http://va.siameserescue.org/image/jpegimage/jpeg
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Welcome! I currently feed Nutro Natural Choice Indoor formula. I also recommend Precise or Eagle Pack. Nutro is easier to find though. Petsmart carries it. =^..^= Terri, Salome', Siggie the Tomato Vampire, Guinevere, Sammi, and 5 furangels: RuthieGirl, Samantha, Arielle, Gareth and Alec =^..^= Furkid Photos! http://mysite.verizon.net/vze7sgqa/My FeLV Site: http://pages.ivillage.com/ruthiegirl1/MyFeLVinformationSite/My Personal Page: http://www.geocities.com/ruthiegirl1/terrispage.html?1083970447350 - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 2:45 PM Subject: Re: Message to post Thank you guys! I have not tried anymedicines on thecat, my doctor didn't recommend any. What is Interferon? And as for food, what do you suggest? I'm feeding him Purina Indoor Formula Cat Chow.The vet did say thathe is slightly overweight, so he will be goingon a diet soon. Thanks again.-Original Message-From: Cherie A Gabbert [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSent: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 11:25:23 -0800 (PST)Subject: Re: Message to post Welcome, Sorry you had to find us this way, but we are all here for each other with tons of support. My Amber Girl is positive and she sounds like she has a cold, you can always here her breathing, but that is ok she is still goodare you using Interferon for Maximus?[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Welcome to the list. You will get a lot of emails. Someone put together a bunch of recommendations and made a little "FeLV primer," and someone else has an email with lots of food and supplement recommendations. I am sure they both will send them to you. In general, make sure Maximus stays as stress-free as possible, avoid surgeries unless absolutely necessary, feed good quality foods (not the ones in supermarkets), feed immune support supplements daily, and learn about what illenesses can strike FeLV+ cats and what the treatments are so you will be prepared if it happens. You will learn specifics on all of these from the aforementioned prefab emails you will probably be sent, and from the archived and ongoing posts. Take care, Michelle In a message dated 3/15/05 2:18:38 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi everyone, I was just doing some research on Feline Leukemia, and found this website. My cat, Maximus, is the best cat ever. My boyfriend and I found him as a stray and took him in. We brought him to the vet (after we fell in love with him), and they did the leukemia test, and it came back positive. We were devastated. So far he seems to be doing okay, but I get scared everyday that I'm going to come home from work and he's going to be sick. He always sounds like he has a cold. I don't know much about the disease, except that there is no cure. He's not even two years old yet. If anyone has any ideas on how I can make sure that he lives as much of a healthy life that he can, that would be great. This is a great website.
RE: OT: New addition
How about Transfer Factor it will be a good immune booster regardless of the health condition for older kitties - -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Barb Moermond Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 3:34 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: OT: New addition The only thing I remember for older kitties (and people) is B12. Remember Jamie's family cat that was older than she was? That's the only special thing they did for her. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, Last week this time I picked up a kitty that was willed to my rescue that another Humane Society had delivered to me. They drove over 3 hours to get her to me. Never had one this old willed to me before. The person was put into a nursing home and passed on. This kitty I swear maybe had a few days of life in her...now she is progressing well...Amazing! Anyway, the kitty is negativeon theFelv/Fiv test (they tested her). She is a 15 yr old Spayed female Siamese purebred. She was extremely underweight she is alarge bonedkitty and has big feet. She could very easily weigh when healthy 14-15 pounds but she is lucky if she weighs 5-6 pounds at the time of arrival. Very nice personality gets along with my others. I have been feeding her alot of different dryfoods because I free feed my kitties. Been giving her extra wetfood as well. She has gain almost a pound since being here. Fur is getting soft. She had diarrhea the first 2 days, now that is gone stools are solid and normal...YAY! Is there something else that I can give her to help boost her system? Like supplements or something? She will be pampered by my husband and I for the rest of her life. Last night she purred for the first time since being here. She is such a sweetie too...By the way she does sleep with us and the other kitties on our bed. THANK GOD it's a King Size bed! I'm open for any suggestions...thanks! Terrie Mohr Check site for available Siameses for adoption! http://www.iGive.com/TAZZYS https://www.paypal.com/ TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescue http://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.html http://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.html TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS SIAMESE COLLIE RESCUE Owner/Driver Petfinder.com Adopt a Homeless Pet! http://www.petfinder.com/ http://www.orecatay.com/ http://www.awca.net/index.htm http://www.felineleukemia.org/ http://www.petloss.com/ http://www.meezer.com/ http://thesiamesestore.com/ http://tx.siameserescue.org/adopt.html http://ca.siameserescue.org/ http://co.siameserescue.org/ http://va.siameserescue.org/ Barb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito My cat the clown: paying no mind to whom he should impress. Merely living his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile. - Anonymous Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - Sign up for Fantasy Baseball. image001.jpgimage002.jpg
Re: [CRF] OT: Help for severe asthma -Emergency no luck on an asthma site....
I could not figure out where to send this message, so please forward it to the woman. If it is actually asthma, steroids and an inhaler should work. They have inhalers for cats-- they are like a mask that you hold over their face and spray the meds in. A vet tech at the local clinic has one for her cat and administers it every day. That said, it might be something other than asthma, like lymphoma or pneumonia. Did they do lung x-rays or an ultrasound? I would certainly do those things, as there are treatments for both. If she can, I would get a board-certified internist to look at her cat, not just the local vet. Michelle In a message dated 3/15/05 10:24:40 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This message is from the Chronic Renal Failure list, which I am also on. Would anyone have any ideas for this person? I asked her if I could forward her message to this list as there are so many knowledgeable people on it. Thanks for any ideas, Bonnie in WI
Re: [CRF] OT: Help for severe asthma -Emergency no luck on an asthma site....
Thanks, Michelle, I did forward your message to her. Bonnie - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 10:04 pm Subject: Re: [CRF] OT: Help for severe asthma -Emergency no luck on an asthma site I could not figure out where to send this message, so please forward it to the woman. If it is actually asthma, steroids and an inhaler should work. They have inhalers for cats-- they are like a mask that you hold over their face and spray the meds in. A vet tech at the local clinic has one for her cat and administers it every day. That said, it might be something other than asthma, like lymphoma or pneumonia. Did they do lung x-rays or an ultrasound? I would certainly do those things, as there are treatments for both. If she can, I would get a board-certified internist to look at her cat, not just the local vet. Michelle In a message dated 3/15/05 10:24:40 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This message is from the Chronic Renal Failure list, which I am also on. Would anyone have any ideas for this person? I asked her if I could forward her message to this list as there are so many knowledgeable people on it. Thanks for any ideas, Bonnie in WI
