date:20060613

Re: Diagnosed Today

Hi Lisa!

You're certainly not alone here!  :)  That's wonderful that he's still
eating!  When Feleuk guys get sick, they often go off their food and it
can be a struggle just to get food into them, let alone address what's
going on illness-wise!

Might I suggest adding some L-lysine to his food?  500mg per day
(usually divided into two meals) is the dosage...it's a great anti-viral
and really brought one of our kittens back from the brink when he was
younger.  You can get it at the grocery store...usually in tablet form,
just crush it up and add to food.  There doesn't seem to be any adverse
taste...It's the one thing I can give to my guys that I know they won't
detect in their food!

You may also want to ask your vet about Interferon...also a great
anti-viral and immune system booster...it's a clear liquid that you give
orally (no taste).

Unfortunately, I've gotta run...but you'll get plenty of great advice
from this wonderful group!  Hang in there!  Give Chester a big hug from me!

Jen


But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will be
unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; You
become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed... --Antoine de
Saint-Exupéry

If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know
each other.  If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and what
you do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys. --Chief Dan
George

The flame that burns twice as bright burns half as long... --Blade Runner

- Original Message -
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tuesday, June 13, 2006 11:55 am
Subject: Diagnosed Today
To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org

 Hi Guys-
 I hope I am posting this the right way.
 We just found out today that we are positive.
 Chester just turned a year old in April.  We got him after we was 
 weaned and 
 has been inside our house ever since.  I suspect that he got it 
 from his 
 mother (his mother was an indoor cat-or that's what we were told).  
 He 
 didn't show any signs until a few months ago.  He came down with a 
 cold and 
 has been given antibotics for that twice.  When he goes off of it 
 he still 
 is not normal.  Right now he has a sore throat and fever.  My major 
 concern 
 is his laying around which he never did as a kitten, he just seems 
 depressed.  Still eating and going to bathroom okay.  Doctor gave 
 me Baytril 
 and Prednisone.  Doctor said that he could last a few months but 
 will get 
 worse.  I also have another cat, Timmy 6 years old.  Timmy was 
 tested as a 
 kitten (negative) but not yet recently.  Still keeping both 
 together because 
 if Timmy were going to get it he'd probably already be infected.
 
 I feel horrible.  I just need some support as I am new to this 
 whole thing.  
 Any ideas, suggestions?  What should I do?  Of course I want to 
 keep Chester 
 as long as possible but I don't want him to suffer.  I want to do 
 what's 
 best for the cat.  Any advice is appreciated.
 
 Thanks,
 Lisa
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Re: Diagnosed Today

2006-06-13 Thread FORGETMENOTPETS




Anyone know where I can purchase lysine in powder form?
I am so tired of grinding up pills.
Thanks 
Karen

Re: Diagnosed Today

Lisa,
You may need to change vets, as many of us have had to
do. There are positive cats on this list who have lived as long as 14.
Though that is not the norm, many of us have had positives live to 5, 6, or
longer. I am always afraid of jinxing mine, but I have a 5 year old and a 6 year
old right now, and lost Ginger in February, who was close to 7. One of my others
lived to 5. You need a vet who realizes that positives can live a lot
longer than they used to teach in vet school, with the proper care, and who is
willing to investigate medical options for you.

As far as Chester's health right now, I have two suggestions.
As far as his fever and cold go, I highly, highly recommend that you give him
Immuno-Regulin shots for a while. There is an article about it on the www.felineleukemia.org website (though
the dosage it recommends, 1 ml at a time, is double what many people use).
I have had great success with it getting rid of upper respiratory infections in
a few doses, as have others on this list.

The other thing that could be going on, given your report of
his lethargy, is anemia. Many positives get bad anemia, which makes them weak.
It is caused by various things, from cancer in the bone marrow to auto-immune
reactions to kidney problems to an infectious parasite called hemobartonella.
You should get his blood count taken and, if he is anemic, get a vet to
investigate why. If he has lymphoma, a cancer to which positives are
probe, steroids and chemotherapy can help a whole lot (it is not as harsh on
them as the chemo humans get, and tends to make them feel better). If it
is hemobartonella, he needs an antibiotic. For most other causes of anemia, he
needs steroids and potentially a drug called Epogen that helps them build up
their red blood cells. Several people on this list have brought cats back from
very severe anemia with combinations of Epogen, steroids, and also
Immuno-Regulin, which helps with anemia as well, and antibiotics
(doxicycline).

The best thing is to go to a board-certified veterinary
internist if you can. They are usually at big clinics, vet hospitals, and
veterinary referral centers.

Please keep us updated.

Michelle

In a message dated 6/13/2006 12:54:42 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Hi
Guys-I hope I am posting this the right way.We just found out today
that we are positive.Chester just turned a year old in April. We got
him after we was weaned and has been inside our house ever since. I
suspect that he got it from his mother (his mother was an indoor cat-or
that's what we were told). He didn't show any signs until a few
months ago. He came down with a cold and has been given antibotics
for that twice. When he goes off of it he still is not normal.
Right now he has a sore throat and fever. My major concern is his
laying around which he never did as a kitten, he just seems
depressed. Still eating and going to bathroom okay. Doctor
gave me Baytril and Prednisone. Doctor said that he could last a few
months but will get worse. I also have another cat, Timmy 6 years
old. Timmy was tested as a kitten (negative) but not yet
recently. Still keeping both together because if Timmy were going to
get it he'd probably already be infected.I feel horrible. I just
need some support as I am new to this whole thing. Any ideas,
suggestions? What should I do? Of course I want to keep Chester
as long as possible but I don't want him to suffer. I want to do
what's best for the cat. Any advice is
appreciated.Thanks,Lisa

Re: Diagnosed Today





Look in a health food store or online for Lysine in capsules. It comes that 
way, and you can open the capsules and use the powder.
Michelle

In a message dated 6/13/2006 1:14:14 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  Anyone know where I can purchase lysine in powder form?
  I am so tired of grinding up pills.
  Thanks 
  Karen

Re: OT - Flower Essences





Nina,
 What have you concluded about EE versus RR?

Thanks,
Michelle

In a message dated 5/18/2006 8:41:21 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Hi 
  gang,Gosh everyone's been quiet lately! A little while back we 
  were discussing RR and I mentioned that I'd heard of something similar 
  called "Emergency" Essence. They're made by a company called 
  Australian Bush Flower Essences. I just ordered it and another one 
  called "Relationship" from Earth Spirits, 
  http://www.earthspirits-herbals.com/ a distributor for them in, I think 
  it's in MA. If you decide to give the FEs a try, don't order 
  from ABFE! They charge $12.50 a bottle, (ES charges $11), but the 
  kicker was they wanted $55. for shipping! Does anyone just click and 
  pay that?? They also had the FE in cream form and mist spray. 
  I'll let you know if the EE and Relationship works better than RR with 
  helping ferals/newcomers to my household.Nina

Off antibiotics?

2006-06-13 Thread elizamaggie


Hi,
I wrote about a week ago with a newly diagnosed 7 month kitten named Lucy. I've read several recommendations that I shouldn't put her back on antibiotics but the problem is that within a week of being off the antibiotics she is deathly ill. Today was day 7 of not being on them and following some of the regimins suggested to boost her immune system and she woke up today with a fever of 106, runny eyes, and barely able to walk. The vet gave me antibiotics again because without them I really believe she would be dead very quickly. For those of you who do recommend no antibiotics, how do you get them well when they get sick right away?

Thanks,
Maggie

Re: Off antibiotics?





I don't really think any of us recommend no antiobiotics; we just caution 
against using them when you don't need to. I would highly, highly recommend a 
few doses of Immuno-Regulin-- it helped my Ginger get over a lingering 
upper respiratory infection in just two doses-- and she had fever and was not 
eating before I gave it to her. Others have had success with this too, with even 
worse URI's.
Michelle

In a message dated 6/13/2006 1:28:51 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  Hi,
  I wrote about a week ago with a newly diagnosed 7 month kitten named 
  Lucy. I've read several recommendations that I shouldn't put her back on 
  antibiotics but the problem is that within a week of being off the antibiotics 
  she is deathly ill. Today was day 7 of not being on them and following some of 
  the regimins suggested to boost her immune system and she woke up today with a 
  fever of 106, runny eyes, and barely able to walk. The vet gave me antibiotics 
  again because without them I really believe she would be dead very quickly. 
  For those of you who do recommend no antibiotics, how do you get them well 
  when they get sick right away?
  
  Thanks,
  Maggie

Re: OT - Flower Essences





Michelle,
I haven't actually had much use for the EE yet. I've practically gone
through my bottle of "Relationship" adding it to all the water dishes.
The way in which homeopathics work, (so subtly), I never know if it's
just the passage of time, or if they really do help, you know? I have
heard that some cats that don't respond to the RR, do with the EE. I
feel like it's worth keeping it in the house, just in case. What's
going on? Who needs EE? You?
Nina

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  
  
  
  
  Nina,
   What have you concluded about EE versus RR?
  
  Thanks,
  Michelle

Re: Off antibiotics?


Hi Maggie,
I have a concern with prescribing abx indefinitely, but they can save 
your baby's life if she needs them.  It sounds like whatever abx they 
have been prescribing for Lucy is not the right one.  When my Grace 
first became symptomatic the vet put her on, now I can't remember which, 
either Clavomox, or Amoxi.  The same thing happened to her as with 
Lucy.  By the 6th or 7th day of the protocol, she'd start to feel 
better.  It would last for a day or two after the abx was stopped, but 
then she'd crash again.  I took her to an Internist and we decided to 
put her on Doxycycline because we suspected Hemobart, (even though the 
test for it was neg).  The Dox did work and I'm sure it saved her life.  
Unfortunately, she continued to have relapses on and off for the rest of 
her short life and we'd have to put her back on the Dox.  If I had it to 
do over, I would try the IR that Michelle suggests.  It has worked for 
kitties with fevers and URI symptoms for other kitties on the list.

Nina

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Hi,
I wrote about a week ago with a newly diagnosed 7 month kitten named 
Lucy. I've read several recommendations that I shouldn't put her back 
on antibiotics but the problem is that within a week of being off the 
antibiotics she is deathly ill. Today was day 7 of not being on them 
and following some of the regimins suggested to boost her immune 
system and she woke up today with a fever of 106, runny eyes, and 
barely able to walk. The vet gave me antibiotics again because without 
them I really believe she would be dead very quickly. For those of you 
who do recommend no antibiotics, how do you get them well when they 
get sick right away?
 
Thanks,

Maggie

Re: Off antibiotics?

What antibiotic is she on? I swear by Zithromax. It's given once a day for 5 days and if effective against even the worst upper respiratory infections. Doesn't seem to upset the tummy the way Baytril does and is so much more effective than Clavamox or amoxicillin or doxycycline.[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Hi,  I wrote about a week ago with a newly diagnosed 7 month kitten named Lucy. I've read several recommendations that I shouldn't put her back on antibiotics but the problem is that within a week of being off the antibiotics she is deathly ill. Today was day 7 of not being on them and following some of the regimins suggested to boost her immune system and she woke up today with a fever of 106, runny eyes, and barely able to walk. The vet gave me antibiotics again because without them I really believe she would
 be dead very quickly. For those of you who do recommend no antibiotics, how do you get them well when they get sick right away?Thanks,  Maggie

Re: Diagnosed Today


Hi Lisa,
Take a look at the responses to Maggie's posts, Off antibiotics, it 
seems like they will apply to you guys as well.  I completely agree that 
separating Timmy and Chester at this point doesn't make any sense.  I 
would have Timmy tested, just so you know.  Did you have him 
tested/vaccinated for felv in the past?  If you did, there is a very 
good chance that he's still negative.  I'd find myself a new vet right 
away.  So many regular GP type vets have no idea, or the inclination, 
to keep a felv kitty healthy.  You need to find an Internist, someone 
that is more familiar with the secondary illness that felv kitties have 
such a hard time with because of their weakened immune systems.  Felv 
doesn't actually make them sick, but because of it, you can't take a 
wait and see approach when they don't feel well. 

Kittens are more susceptible to the disease because they haven't 
developed a strong enough immune system to fight it off when exposed.  
From what you say about his living conditions, it would appear that 
Chester got felv from his mother.  There is a chance that Timmy is 
actually the carrier, another good reason to have him tested.


It's good news that he's still eating and his digestive system is okay.  
Did the vet tell you anything about what he suspects is making him feel 
ill, (besides the fact that he's tested pos).  You need to pinpoint the 
secondary illness that's making him sick in order to treat it.  Are his 
gums pink, or do they look pale?  Is he licking strange things like 
cement?  We just discussed signs of anemia on the list, you might want 
to look through the archives for ideas about what's going on with Chester.


I'm so sorry Chester isn't feeling well, but I'm so glad you found us.  
I can hear in your words how much you love him, Using the word we 
about testing positive says it all.  There is every reason to hope that 
you've caught his symptoms early enough to help him pull through 
whatever's going on.  I certainly will be praying that is the case.  Get 
him to someone that understands that a positive test result is no reason 
to give up on him.  Please let us know what you find out.  We all 
understand what you're going through, and we're here to help support 
you, Chester and Timmy in any way we can.

Keep your chin up,
Nina

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Hi Guys-
I hope I am posting this the right way.
We just found out today that we are positive.
Chester just turned a year old in April.  We got him after we was weaned and 
has been inside our house ever since.  I suspect that he got it from his 
mother (his mother was an indoor cat-or that's what we were told).  He 
didn't show any signs until a few months ago.  He came down with a cold and 
has been given antibotics for that twice.  When he goes off of it he still 
is not normal.  Right now he has a sore throat and fever.  My major concern 
is his laying around which he never did as a kitten, he just seems 
depressed.  Still eating and going to bathroom okay.  Doctor gave me Baytril 
and Prednisone.  Doctor said that he could last a few months but will get 
worse.  I also have another cat, Timmy 6 years old.  Timmy was tested as a 
kitten (negative) but not yet recently.  Still keeping both together because 
if Timmy were going to get it he'd probably already be infected.


I feel horrible.  I just need some support as I am new to this whole thing.  
Any ideas, suggestions?  What should I do?  Of course I want to keep Chester 
as long as possible but I don't want him to suffer.  I want to do what's 
best for the cat.  Any advice is appreciated.


Thanks,
Lisa
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Fwd: [NMHP] Silly bugs, kibble is for cats!




Forwarding for those of you who feed ferals... and because I found her 
answer on slugs to be very amusing. It's from the Best Friends No More Homeless 
Pets forum, which I recommend by the way and can be joined via their 
website.

Michelle


---BeginMessage---





Question 
from Louise:
It's almost summer and with summer come bugs! How do I keep them away 
from the cats' food? Do you have any other feeding advice?

Response from Meredith Weiss:
Typical bugs attracted to cat food are ants, flies and slugs. Ants 
can be kept out of the food by building a small moat. Take a plastic tray 
or Tupperware container -- something flat and fairly wide with raised sides -- 
and fill it with a quarter to a half inch of water. Then put the food in a 
separate bowl and place that in the middle of the tray with the water.The 
water will prevent the ants from reaching the food, while the cats can easily 
lean over and eat.

Slugs - well, strange as it sounds the way I solved this problem was to 
feed the slugs separately! Just take a little bit of dry or wet food and 
put it on the ground near the slugs, at least several inches away from the cat 
food bowls -- they'll be happy to not have to climb into the bowls.

Flies become a problem when the food is left out uneaten in warm 
weather.They are more of a problem with canned food than with 
dry. If your colony isn't trained to eat at a scheduled time, don't leave 
out wet food on hot days. Feed in the evening or at night instead. 
Or leave out dry food only.

In the case of asudden rainstorm,it's recommended to have a 
covered feeding station for your colony. If this isn't possible and you 
have to put food out unprotected from the elements, you can try this method to 
keep it dry: Again, take a Tupperware container, or a typical styrofoam 
take-out container from arestaurant, usually about nine inches wide. 
Fill it withdry food. Place the matching lid on the container upside 
down so it is covering the food but not snapped on. Put a few pieces of 
food on top of the turned-over lid. Even in this position, the lid will 
keep the rain out. When the rains stops and the cats come out they'll 
smell the food and flip the lid off to get it.

Both pigeons and raccoons love cat food! Hopefully in your area you 
only have one or the other -- not both! If you have pigeons, feed after 
dark when the pigeons are sleeping. With raccoons, just the opposite; 
usually they rarely venture out during daylight hours. And if you do have 
both in your neighborhood -- good luck!Leave out plenty of 
food. Raccoons and cats can get along and eat togetherif there's 
enough for everybody.

What to feed. Feed the best quality food you can comfortably 
afford. If you have a colony of three you may be able to feed a higher 
quality (more expensive) food than if you have a large colony. You may 
find that if you switch from a low quality to a higher one you'll soon be 
feeding a smaller quantity, so when you average out the cost, it may not be much 
greater after all. And if you do switch, do it gradually, mixing in the 
old with the new.

Generally, canned food is more nutritious than dry, but almost all feral 
cats will have to be given dry food at least some times for a variety of 
reasons. Check the ingredients on the label. If the first one is some kind 
of grain, or byproducts, it's not the best food as it contains mostly that 
ingredient. Remember, cats are carnivores and actually require no 
carbohydrates at all. 
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Re: Off antibiotics?

2006-06-13 Thread Samiluke




Hi Maggie,

Prayers are on the way to you Lucy. Please keep us posted 
on how she is doing.

yvonne

Re: Fwd: [NMHP] Silly bugs, kibble is for cats!







[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  
  
  
  Forwarding for those of you who feed ferals... and because I
found her answer on slugs to be very amusing. It's from the Best
Friends No More Homeless Pets forum, which I recommend by the way and
can be joined via their website.
  
  Michelle
  
Thanks! If I know my ferals, they'll eat the slug's food first, then
eat what's in their dish! I'll give it a shot and let you know if it
works for us. I like her idea about feeding during rain when you can't
use a covered station. I'm going to try that one too!
Nina

Re: Diagnosed Today

  Has Chester had blood work to see if there is something else going 
on?  Also sometimes positives need to stay on the anitibiotics longer 
than a cat with a healthy immune system.  I really think blood work 
should be done specifically checking for anemia.  Check his gums and see 
if they look pale, they should be nice and pink.


--

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Re: Diagnosed Today


  Hi Karen,
 I get my lysine here, I get the capsules and just open them and 
sprinkle on food but they also sell the powder form.


http://www.papanature.com/store/ProductsList.aspx?c=Herbscid=l_lysine

Here is the powder specifically, 1 pound for $9.56

http://www.papanature.com/store/ProductDetails.aspx?c=Herbspid=NOW-00240

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Re: Diagnosed Today

PS.  That size would last forever since you would just use a pinch twice 
a day.


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Re: Diagnosed Today-lysine powder

This is the brand I've been able to find at a local health food
store...but the online price is pretty sweet...I pay twice that, but if
you don't buy anything else from iHerb, then shipping will probably even
everything out... ;)

http://www.papanature.com/store/ProductDetails.aspx?c=Herbspid=NOW-00240



But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will be
unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; You
become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed... --Antoine de
Saint-Exupéry

If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know
each other.  If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and what
you do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys. --Chief Dan
George

The flame that burns twice as bright burns half as long... --Blade Runner

- Original Message -
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tuesday, June 13, 2006 12:13 pm
Subject: Re: Diagnosed Today
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org

 Anyone know where I can purchase lysine in powder form?
 I am so tired of grinding up pills.
 Thanks 
 Karen

Re: OT - Flower Essences


  What is EE, I just ordered the RR creme and am curious about this EE?

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Re: Diagnosed Today-lysine powder

  Shipping is done by zip code to ship 3 day UPS to me in WA is only 
4.26, not bad.


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2 littermates - one pos/one neg

2006-06-13 Thread janine paton

Hi all, 

Two brothers, 7 weeks today tested one positive, one
negative for leukemia.  The mom is feral, and has not
been tested yet, but her sister tested positive.  The
mom had been trapped by someone trying to do the right
thing, but the kittens were born beforre she could get
her to the vet.  All have been living together crated
in this person's home.  

As an organization, we had a pair of littermates
testing the same as these 2, and we let them stay
together.  The positive cat died at around 3 yrs, the
negative cat is still negative (and has recently been
adopted!) so it's not entirely new to me but what's
the best thing to do?  Try to adopt them out as a
pair?  Separate them now?  Or it doesn't matter at
this point, even if the negative kitten is so young?  

The test was Elysa and we are re-running both. 

Thanks! 

Janine

Re: Diagnosed Today

2006-06-13 Thread Sherry DeHaan

Karen I had bought mine from my vet when Maizee needed it[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  Anyone know where I can purchase lysine in powder form?  I am so tired of grinding up pills.  Thanks   Karen __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam?  Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Re: Diagnosed Today-lysine powder

Nice!  I may go ahead and place an order then...my last batch from the
health food store cost $19!  I love 'em, but I need to save all the cash
I can right now!  ;)



But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will be
unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; You
become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed... --Antoine de
Saint-Exupéry

If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know
each other.  If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and what
you do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys. --Chief Dan
George

The flame that burns twice as bright burns half as long... --Blade Runner

- Original Message -
From: Belinda [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tuesday, June 13, 2006 3:35 pm
Subject: Re: Diagnosed Today-lysine powder
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org

   Shipping is done by zip code to ship 3 day UPS to me in WA is 
 only 
 4.26, not bad.
 
 -- 
 
 Belinda
 happiness is being owned by cats ...
 
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Re: Diagnosed Today

2006-06-13 Thread Sherry DeHaan

Wow I pais almost 30 dollars for a small container,but it lasted a whileBelinda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  Hi Karen,I get my lysine here, I get the capsules and just open them and sprinkle on food but they also sell the powder form.http://www.papanature.com/store/ProductsList.aspx?c=Herbscid=l_lysineHere is the powder specifically, 1 pound for $9.56http://www.papanature.com/store/ProductDetails.aspx?c=Herbspid=NOW-00240-- Belindahappiness is being owned by cats ...Be-Mi-Kittieshttp://bemikitties.comPost Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittenshttp://adopt.bemikitties.comFeLV Candlelight Servicehttp://bemikitties.com/clsHostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting  web design]http://HostDesign4U.comBMK Designs
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Need prayers for my Hannibal -getting blind

2006-06-13 Thread Hideyo Yamamoto









Hi, I would like to ask you all more prayers for Hannibal  he has
been on epogen due to his low PCV.. now it caused his BP to be high.. and he is
getting blind  I noticed on Saturday and did not any better to take him
to the vet right away (I did not know whats going one).. he is on
Norvasc to control BP, and if treated immediately there is 50/50 chance that he
can get his vision back.. please please please pray for my baby, that his sight
will come back!!!



Hideyo and Hannibal

Re: Need prayers for my Hannibal -getting blind

You guys are certainly in my thoughts!



But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will be
unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; You
become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed... --Antoine de
Saint-Exupéry

If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know
each other.  If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and what
you do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys. --Chief Dan
George

The flame that burns twice as bright burns half as long... --Blade Runner

- Original Message -
From: Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tuesday, June 13, 2006 4:16 pm
Subject: Need prayers for my Hannibal -getting blind
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org

 Hi, I would like to ask you all more prayers for Hannibal - he has 
 beenon epogen due to his low PCV.. now it caused his BP to be 
 high.. and he
 is getting blind - I noticed on Saturday and did not any better to 
 takehim to the vet right away (I did not know what's going one).. 
 he is on
 Norvasc to control BP, and if treated immediately there is 50/50 
 chancethat he can get his vision back.. please please please pray 
 for my baby,
 that his sight will come back!!!
 
 
 
 Hideyo and Hannibal

Re: Need prayers for my Hannibal -getting blind

2006-06-13 Thread Barb Moermond

GLOW headed your way for you and Hannibal and all of your fur-family.Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Hi, I would like to ask you all more prayers for Hannibal  he has been on epogen due to his low PCV.. now it caused his BP to be high.. and he is getting blind  I noticed on Saturday and did
 not any better to take him to the vet right away (I did not know whats going one).. he is on Norvasc to control BP, and if treated immediately there is 50/50 chance that he can get his vision back.. please please please pray for my baby, that his sight will come back!!!Hideyo and HannibalBarb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito"My cat the clown:  paying no mind to whom he should impress.  Merely living his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile."- Anonymous __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam?  Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around
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new to FeLV

2006-06-13 Thread Roxane Baldwin

Hi,About a week and a half ago we had a stray come to our house. Because I have a FIV cat I took this guy right into the vets office to be tested. He came back FeLV +, we went ahead and neutered him, I would not hear of putting this little black beauty to sleep, he is a great boy, not feral at all.  He came home from the vets with a little respiratory issue but we cleared that right up with amoxi. He was just as full of worms as a cat can get, so we've treated him for that but now the diarrhea is really bad and I cannot seem to get if firmed up. He is on Natural Balance, I would like to get him onto raw.  This boy has not really shown any signs of illness other then what I've mentioned, and the vet seems to think that his health is not really too bad. I guess I don't know my options and my vet just says that he will do whatever I want but I need more options then death by lethal
 injection or bring home to watch die. Help!Roxane __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam?  Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Re: Off antibiotics?

2006-06-13 Thread gwork




It sounds like a few things could be 
going on. 1) She isn't on the right antibiotic, 2) she isn't 
ona "strong" enough one (one that can reach deep areas - Clavamox and 
Amoxi are "weaker"), 3) she isn't staying on it long enough, 4) she isn't being 
given the proper dosage. Check the manufacturer's recommendations, not 
just what your doctor tells you. Also, being immuno-compromised, it could 
take a lot longer for her to beat the bacteria. 7-10 days is standard for 
a normal, healthy cat. It may also be sufficient for your + cat sometimes, 
but also maybe not sometimes. I think it is also important to note that it 
isnot bad to have your cat on antibiotics, but only when actually 
necessary. Baytril isone highly effective antibiotic.

Krishttp://www.spazstory.zoomshare.com

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2006 1:26 
PM
  Subject: Off antibiotics?
  
  Hi,
  I wrote about a week ago with a newly diagnosed 7 month kitten named 
  Lucy. I've read several recommendations that I shouldn't put her back on 
  antibiotics but the problem is that within a week of being off the antibiotics 
  she is deathly ill. Today was day 7 of not being on them and following some of 
  the regimins suggested to boost her immune system and she woke up today with a 
  fever of 106, runny eyes, and barely able to walk. The vet gave me antibiotics 
  again because without them I really believe she would be dead very quickly. 
  For those of you who do recommend no antibiotics, how do you get them well 
  when they get sick right away?
  
  Thanks,
  Maggie

Re: Off antibiotics?

2006-06-13 Thread FORGETMENOTPETS




Kris 
good advice about checking the manufacture recommendations
do any of you have a site you can check dosage for antibiotics I have two 
vets and it seems to vary.
Karen

Re: Diagnosed Today

2006-06-13 Thread gwork

The lethargy could be a sign of anemia - check his gums, or tongue, if 
that's easier - but it could also be that he just doesn't feel well with the 
fever.  Usually if they get too anemic, they won't eat but will eat or lick 
unusual things like litter.  Baytril is a good antibiotic, and I think your 
vet is giving pred in relation to thoughts of anemia, but with his current 
illness, this is not good as pred is an immune suppressant, not to mention I 
don't think it is necessarily the best way of handling anemia.  I would 
switch vets to someone who has a more positive outlook on felv cats, get 
some blood drawn to check RBC/PCV for anemia and other vital stats, and go 
from there.  I have seen internists suggested a lot on this site as well. 
Make sure he is getting the proper dosage and is on the antibiotic long 
enough.  + cats may need to be on meds for extended times.  My cat Spaz 
wasn't diagnosed 'til age 8, and she's almost 14 now.  She had two severe 
rounds with anemia and one bad URI (hospitalized for 9 days), but she's been 
doing great for over 2 years now.  So hopefully that gives you some 
positivity :)  I can assure you everyone on this list will be pulling for 
you!


Kris
http://www.spazstory.zoomshare.com
- Original Message - 
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2006 2:11 PM
Subject: Diagnosed Today



Hi Guys-
I hope I am posting this the right way.
We just found out today that we are positive.
Chester just turned a year old in April.  We got him after we was weaned 
and

has been inside our house ever since.  I suspect that he got it from his
mother (his mother was an indoor cat-or that's what we were told).  He
didn't show any signs until a few months ago.  He came down with a cold 
and

has been given antibotics for that twice.  When he goes off of it he still
is not normal.  Right now he has a sore throat and fever.  My major 
concern

is his laying around which he never did as a kitten, he just seems
depressed.  Still eating and going to bathroom okay.  Doctor gave me 
Baytril

and Prednisone.  Doctor said that he could last a few months but will get
worse.  I also have another cat, Timmy 6 years old.  Timmy was tested as a
kitten (negative) but not yet recently.  Still keeping both together 
because

if Timmy were going to get it he'd probably already be infected.

I feel horrible.  I just need some support as I am new to this whole 
thing.
Any ideas, suggestions?  What should I do?  Of course I want to keep 
Chester

as long as possible but I don't want him to suffer.  I want to do what's
best for the cat.  Any advice is appreciated.

Thanks,
Lisa
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Re: new to FeLV

2006-06-13 Thread Chris Behnke




Thank you! It is wonderful that there are 
people like you out there who are willing to help a cat who may not be 
'perfect'. It upsets me how many vets would rather put these guys to sleep 
when they can live a healthy life. I think all cats deserve a chance at 
life and love.

Thanks for caring,
Chris


  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Roxane 
  Baldwin 
  To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2006 7:09 
PM
  Subject: new to FeLV
  
  Hi,
  
  About a week and a half ago we had a stray come to our house. 
  Because I have a FIV cat I took this guy right into the vets office to be 
  tested. He came back FeLV +, we went ahead and neutered him, I would not 
  hear of putting this little black beauty to sleep, he is a great boy, not 
  feral at all.
  He came home from the vets with a little respiratory issue but we cleared 
  that right up with amoxi. He was just as full of worms as a cat can get, 
  so we've treated him for that but now the diarrhea is really bad and I cannot 
  seem to get if firmed up. He is on Natural Balance, I would like to get 
  him onto raw.
  This boy has not really shown any signs of illness other then what I've 
  mentioned, and the vet seems to think that his health is not really too 
  bad. I guess I don't know my options and my vet just says that he will 
  do whatever I want but I need more options then death by lethal injection or 
  bring home to watch die. Help!
  
  Roxane
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Re: Diagnosed Today


   Hi,
  It depends on what is causing the anemia, Bailey was getting high 
doses of pred along with epogen to fight his anemia.


 this is not good as pred is an immune suppressant, not to mention 
I don't think it is necessarily the best way of handling anemia 


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Re: OT-Anyone know of safe ways to deal w/ ants?

I use Grants Ant stakes to keep ants out of the house.gwork [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm sorry; I should've specified that I intended this mix as an outdoor spray to prevent ants from even entering the house. Do you think it would still be toxic with the dilution and the fact that you would simply be wiping a surface with it? What would your recommendation be for the ants?Krishttp://www.spazstory.zoomshare.com- Original Message - From: "TenHouseCats" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: Sent: Monday, June 12, 2006 9:36 PMSubject: Re: OT-Anyone know of safe ways to deal w/ ants? tea tree oil is toxic to cats! On 6/12/06, gwork <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: I have also heard cayenne works, but have never used it. I
do know that the proper treatment can depend on what type of ants they are. I also found on the 'net that 8 oz. of a natural soap (peppermint, lavender, tea tree) mixed with 1 oz. essential oil (citronella, cinammon, rose, tea tree) and diluted with water is supposed to make a good spray/wash. You add 5 tbsp. of this mix to a quart of water. I wonder if the health food store would already have a premixed solution. I have heard of the boric acid/sugar mix, but that is a killing mixture vs. a deterrent. Kris http://www.spazstory.zoomshare.com - Original Message - From: Ashleigh Smith To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, June 12, 2006 2:46 PM Subject: Re: OT-Anyone know of safe ways to deal w/
ants? I've heard cayenne works too, but I've never personally used it. ~Ashleigh Barb Moermond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: I seem to recall spearmint leaves being good deterrents. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: All of sudden we have bunches of little red ants in our house. My hubby likes to use Terro, which I don't like at all around the furkids my human kid. Any ideas? Thanks! Barb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito "My cat the clown: paying no mind to whom he should impress. Merely living his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile." - Anonymous __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection
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Re: new to FeLV