SPCA's Views on FelV

[Marlene Chornie]

Hello Group,

 It's been a little over 3 weeks now since we lost our 
beloved little Pekoe. I will be posting more about that at a later date 
though. At the time, I emailed the SPCA shelter where we adopted both 
Pekoe and Digby from, merely to let them know that Pekoe had also passed - not 
that I expected them to care, because the branch manager exhibited a 
terrible attitude with us when told they were FelV+ and felt they 
bore no responsibility for it happening in the first place. She was also 
unconcerned that any other cats in the shelter may have also contracted the 
disease. Since I had not invited any response from them, I was very 
surprised when I received one. It appears that the branch manager that we 
dealt with is no longer there (what a surprise) and I received the following 
response from the new manager. To be honest, I'm a little disturbed by 
some of the things she said, and I would appreciate any input/comments from the 
group. (FYI - Pekoe and Digby were both unneutered males, strays, and were 
approx. 8 months and 13 months old respectively. They were diagnosed 
FelV+ 7 months after we adopted them, at ages 15 months and 20 months.)

"With our limited resources, we are unable to test all the incoming 
catsfor FeLeuk and FIV. Feline Leukemia is only present in 3% of the 
catpopulation as a whole, but that is mostly concentrated in strays. 
Sincethe most common source of transmission is by bite, we generally only 
testhigh risk cats, usually unneutered males who are more likely to 
fight. Wedon't as a rule, test kittens under 6 months as the test 
results are veryunreliable. The SNAP test that we use tests for the 
presence ofantibodies which can take weeks from the time of infection to 
appear. Because young kittens' immune systems are under developed, it can 
take 3months or longer from the time of transmission to the time that a 
testwould be positive. Therefore, false negatives are very common in 
kittens3 months and younger. Conversely, positive nursing moms will 
transmitantibodies to their kittens, but only 20% of the time will transmit 
thevirus itself. In those cases, the kittens would test false positive 
andbe euthanized unneccessarily.I know this information is of little 
comfort to you at this time, but Ifelt you were owed an explanation as to 
how this could occur."


 I believe I have a relatively good understanding of FelV 
from what I've learned with Pekoe and Digby. One of the big questions I 
have, from those of you that do rescue work and shelter volunteering is - Do you 
test ALL cats that come into the shelter, or just the "high risk" 
ones?? Guess I'm just second-guessing my comprehension right 
now. My husband and I feel that these people just don't get it yet, and we 
want them to stop contacting us!

 I would really appreciate your views on the SPCA's 
statements.

Thanks so much,
Marlene (still missing Pekoe  Digby .)

Re: SPCA's Views on FelV

[wendy]

Marlene,

I didn't see anything that I didn't agree with in her
letter to you.  Most cats in any shelter I have been
in have been separated, unless they are very young
kittens, probably already littermates.  So the risk of
contracting FeLV in a shelter would probably be very
minimal.  As far as not testing before adopting out, I
would think the best way to do it if the SPCA cannot
afford to test every cat that comes in is to let the
adoptive parents know when kitty is adopted that
she/he has not been tested and that it would be a good
idea if they were once adopted, with the stipulation
that the cat may be returned if any tests are
positive.  I can completely understand the limited
funds of the SPCA.  Testing every cat that comes
through does not seem realistic to me, as it seems
that tens of thousands (if not more) of cats go
through the SPCA annually, but then again, I have
never worked in a shelter and don't really know
specifics.  Digby and Pekoe are still with you and
what you did for them will not be forgotten by them or
the powers that be.  You were their angel.

:)
Wendy

--- Marlene Chornie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hello Group,
 
 It's been a little over 3 weeks now since we
 lost our beloved little Pekoe.  I will be posting
 more about that at a later date though.  At the
 time, I emailed the SPCA shelter where we adopted
 both Pekoe and Digby from, merely to let them know
 that Pekoe had also passed - not that I expected
 them to care, because the branch manager exhibited a
 terrible attitude with us when told they were FelV+ 
 and felt they bore no responsibility for it
 happening in the first place.  She was also
 unconcerned that any other cats in the shelter may
 have also contracted the disease.  Since I had not
 invited any response from them, I was very surprised
 when I received one.  It appears that the branch
 manager that we dealt with is no longer there (what
 a surprise) and I received the following response
 from the new manager.  To be honest, I'm a little
 disturbed by some of the things she said, and I
 would appreciate any input/comments from the group. 
 (FYI - Pekoe and Digby were both unneutered males,
 strays, and were approx. 8 months and  13 months old
 respectively.  They were diagnosed FelV+ 7 months
 after we adopted them, at ages 15 months and 20
 months.)
 
 With our limited resources, we are unable to test
 all the incoming cats
 for FeLeuk and FIV.  Feline Leukemia is only present
 in 3% of the cat
 population as a whole, but that is mostly
 concentrated in strays.  Since
 the most common source of transmission is by bite,
 we generally only test
 high risk cats, usually unneutered males who are
 more likely to fight.  We
 don't as a rule, test kittens under 6 months as the
 test results are very
 unreliable.  The SNAP test that we use tests for the
 presence of
 antibodies which can take weeks from the time of
 infection to appear. 
 Because young kittens' immune systems are under
 developed, it can take 3
 months or longer from the time of transmission to
 the time that a test
 would be positive.  Therefore, false negatives are
 very common in kittens
 3 months and younger.  Conversely, positive nursing
 moms will transmit
 antibodies to their kittens, but only 20% of the
 time will transmit the
 virus itself.  In those cases, the kittens would
 test false positive and
 be euthanized unneccessarily.
 
 I know this information is of little comfort to you
 at this time, but I
 felt you were owed an explanation as to how this
 could occur.
 
 
 I believe I have a relatively good understanding
 of FelV from what I've learned with Pekoe and Digby.
  One of the big questions I have, from those of you
 that do rescue work and shelter volunteering is - Do
 you test ALL cats that come into the shelter, or
 just the high risk ones??  Guess I'm just
 second-guessing my comprehension right now.  My
 husband and I feel that these people just don't get
 it yet, and we want them to stop contacting us!
 
 I would really appreciate your views on the
 SPCA's statements.
 
 Thanks so much,
 Marlene (still missing Pekoe  Digby .)


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Re: SPCA's Views on FelV

[moonvine]

Hi Marlene,

First of all, I am so sorry for your loss.

Secondly, the rescue group I work through does not take cats that have 
not been combo tested, unless they are too young.   Then it is up to 
the individual foster whether or not to take the untested litter.  We 
have a limited number of foster slots for FIV+ and one foster mother 
who takes FELV+.  If they are owner surrenders, the owner must provide 
proof of combo test before we take them.  

We never adopt out cats that have not been tested.  All our cats are 
spayed/neutered, flea treated, have all shots, and have been combo 
tested prior to adoption, with the exception of kittens that come in 
with a mother who is neg/neg.  Our local kill shelter combo tests all 
cats before they are pulled by rescue or adopted out.  I don't think 
they combo test the cats that are PTS.   


This is just what is done in our area.  


- Original Message -
From: Marlene Chornie [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Friday, June 16, 2006 7:31 am
Subject: SPCA's Views on FelV
To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org

 Hello Group,
 
It's been a little over 3 weeks now since we lost our beloved 
 little Pekoe.  I will be posting more about that at a later date 
 though.  At the time, I emailed the SPCA shelter where we adopted 
 both Pekoe and Digby from, merely to let them know that Pekoe had 
 also passed - not that I expected them to care, because the branch 
 manager exhibited a terrible attitude with us when told they were 
 FelV+  and felt they bore no responsibility for it happening in 
 the first place.  She was also unconcerned that any other cats in 
 the shelter may have also contracted the disease.  Since I had not 
 invited any response from them, I was very surprised when I 
 received one.  It appears that the branch manager that we dealt 
 with is no longer there (what a surprise) and I received the 
 following response from the new manager.  To be honest, I'm a 
 little disturbed by some of the things she said, and I would 
 appreciate any input/comments from the group.  (FYI - Pekoe and 
 Digby were both unneutered males, strays, and were approx. 8 
 months and  13 months old respectively.  They were diagnosed FelV+ 
 7 months after we adopted them, at ages 15 months and 20 months.)
 
 With our limited resources, we are unable to test all the 
 incoming cats
 for FeLeuk and FIV.  Feline Leukemia is only present in 3% of the cat
 population as a whole, but that is mostly concentrated in strays.  
 Sincethe most common source of transmission is by bite, we 
 generally only test
 high risk cats, usually unneutered males who are more likely to 
 fight.  We
 don't as a rule, test kittens under 6 months as the test results 
 are very
 unreliable.  The SNAP test that we use tests for the presence of
 antibodies which can take weeks from the time of infection to 
 appear. 
 Because young kittens' immune systems are under developed, it can 
 take 3
 months or longer from the time of transmission to the time that a 
test
 would be positive.  Therefore, false negatives are very common in 
 kittens3 months and younger.  Conversely, positive nursing moms 
 will transmit
 antibodies to their kittens, but only 20% of the time will 
 transmit the
 virus itself.  In those cases, the kittens would test false 
 positive and
 be euthanized unneccessarily.
 
 I know this information is of little comfort to you at this time, 
 but I
 felt you were owed an explanation as to how this could occur.
 
 
I believe I have a relatively good understanding of FelV from 
 what I've learned with Pekoe and Digby.  One of the big questions 
 I have, from those of you that do rescue work and shelter 
 volunteering is - Do you test ALL cats that come into the shelter, 
 or just the high risk ones??  Guess I'm just second-guessing 
 my comprehension right now.  My husband and I feel that these 
 people just don't get it yet, and we want them to stop contacting us!
 
I would really appreciate your views on the SPCA's statements.
 
 Thanks so much,
 Marlene (still missing Pekoe  Digby .)

Re: SPCA's Views on FelV

[Susan Hoffman]

From a rescue standpoint, I don't test everyone who comes in and I especially don't test kittens beecause I consider the tests unreliable when the kittens are so young. I also don't euthanize a healthy animal on the basis of a test result ever.One shelter I work with tests before transport to a rescue and for this I am eternally grateful. They make my job much easier. One cat bound for me tested FeLV+ before transport and I was able to place her in an only cat foster home. (Esprit is still looking for that forever home, everyone. Keep her in mind.)Adults are usually tested before they arrive. Kittens are tested when they are old enough for spay/neuter. I always give adopters what medical records exist and specify what tests have been performed. In California FIV and FeLV testing is the norm with rescue groups but rarely done by shelters. 
   I believe I have a relatively good understanding of FelV from what I've learned with Pekoe and Digby. One of the big questions I have, from those of you that do rescue work and shelter volunteering is - Do you test ALL cats that come into the shelter, or just the "high risk" ones?? Guess I'm just second-guessing my comprehension right now. My husband and I feel that these people just don't get it yet, and we want them to stop contacting us!  I would really appreciate your views on the SPCA's statements.  Thanks so much, Marlene (still missing Pekoe  Digby .)__Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam
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Re: SPCA's Views on FelV

[TatorBunz]

As a rescue myself all kittens/cats are tested when they arrive. 
However, kittens that are tested do not clearly give accurate tests. That is documented in their adoption papers that they should tested at a later date by the adopters. 
If adopters do this and some time later the they are tested positive the choice is theirs. To either contact me or the kitty remains in their home forever.
It is stated on my application/adoption forms that any kitty that is adopted I have no control over 30 days if major health problems arise.
They are welcome to bring it back but no refund is due. 
If it falls within the thirty days refunds are given within 7 days of adoption. 
It is explained that all adoption fees are use to pay for testing, sterilization, medicalcare that may be needed for all kittens/cats under the care of Tazzys.
I have been very lucky and this works for me. My doors are always open to the parties that have adopted from me. Many still contact me over the course of years to send me photos and updates. Thanked me for being honest and upfront with them. I don't pull any punches.



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Re: SPCA's Views on FelV

[Sherry DeHaan]

We test ALL our cats for both diseasesMarlene Chornie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  Hello Group, It's been a little over 3 weeks now since we lost our beloved little Pekoe. I will be posting more about that at a later date though. At the time, I emailed the SPCA shelter where we adopted both Pekoe and Digby from, merely to let them know that Pekoe had also passed - not that I expected them to care, because the branch manager exhibited a terrible attitude with us when told they were FelV+ and felt they bore no responsibility for it happening in the first place. She was also unconcerned that any other cats in the shelter may have also contracted the disease. Since I had not invited
 any response from them, I was very surprised when I received one. It appears that the branch manager that we dealt with is no longer there (what a surprise) and I received the following response from the new manager. To be honest, I'm a little disturbed by some of the things she said, and I would appreciate any input/comments from the group. (FYI - Pekoe and Digby were both unneutered males, strays, and were approx. 8 months and 13 months old respectively. They were diagnosed FelV+ 7 months after we adopted them, at ages 15 months and 20 months.)"With our limited resources, we are unable to test all the incoming catsfor FeLeuk and FIV. Feline Leukemia is only present in 3% of the catpopulation as a whole, but that is mostly concentrated in strays. Sincethe most common source of transmission is by bite, we generally only testhigh risk cats, usually unneutered males who are more likely
 to fight. Wedon't as a rule, test kittens under 6 months as the test results are veryunreliable. The SNAP test that we use tests for the presence ofantibodies which can take weeks from the time of infection to appear. Because young kittens' immune systems are under developed, it can take 3months or longer from the time of transmission to the time that a testwould be positive. Therefore, false negatives are very common in kittens3 months and younger. Conversely, positive nursing moms will transmitantibodies to their kittens, but only 20% of the time will transmit thevirus itself. In those cases, the kittens would test false positive andbe euthanized unneccessarily.I know this information is of little comfort to you at this time, but Ifelt you were owed an explanation as to how this could occur."   I believe I have a relatively
 good understanding of FelV from what I've learned with Pekoe and Digby. One of the big questions I have, from those of you that do rescue work and shelter volunteering is - Do you test ALL cats that come into the shelter, or just the "high risk" ones?? Guess I'm just second-guessing my comprehension right now. My husband and I feel that these people just don't get it yet, and we want them to stop contacting us! I would really appreciate your views on the SPCA's statements.Thanks so much,  Marlene (still missing Pekoe  Digby .) 
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Re: SPCA's Views on FelV

[Sherry DeHaan]

Also felv can be transmitted through food and water,grooming and such.Fiv is transmitted through bites.Marlene Chornie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  Hello Group, It's been a little over 3 weeks now since we lost our beloved little Pekoe. I will be posting more about that at a later date though. At the time, I emailed the SPCA shelter where we adopted both Pekoe and Digby from, merely to let them know that Pekoe had also passed - not that I expected them to care, because the branch manager exhibited a terrible attitude with us when told they were FelV+ and felt they bore no responsibility for it happening in the first place. She was also unconcerned that any other cats in the shelter may
 have also contracted the disease. Since I had not invited any response from them, I was very surprised when I received one. It appears that the branch manager that we dealt with is no longer there (what a surprise) and I received the following response from the new manager. To be honest, I'm a little disturbed by some of the things she said, and I would appreciate any input/comments from the group. (FYI - Pekoe and Digby were both unneutered males, strays, and were approx. 8 months and 13 months old respectively. They were diagnosed FelV+ 7 months after we adopted them, at ages 15 months and 20 months.)"With our limited resources, we are unable to test all the incoming catsfor FeLeuk and FIV. Feline Leukemia is only present in 3% of the catpopulation as a whole, but that is mostly concentrated in strays. Sincethe most common source of transmission is by bite, we generally only
 testhigh risk cats, usually unneutered males who are more likely to fight. Wedon't as a rule, test kittens under 6 months as the test results are veryunreliable. The SNAP test that we use tests for the presence ofantibodies which can take weeks from the time of infection to appear. Because young kittens' immune systems are under developed, it can take 3months or longer from the time of transmission to the time that a testwould be positive. Therefore, false negatives are very common in kittens3 months and younger. Conversely, positive nursing moms will transmitantibodies to their kittens, but only 20% of the time will transmit thevirus itself. In those cases, the kittens would test false positive andbe euthanized unneccessarily.I know this information is of little comfort to you at this time, but Ifelt you were owed an explanation as to how this could occur."   
I believe I have a relatively good understanding of FelV from what I've learned with Pekoe and Digby. One of the big questions I have, from those of you that do rescue work and shelter volunteering is - Do you test ALL cats that come into the shelter, or just the "high risk" ones?? Guess I'm just second-guessing my comprehension right now. My husband and I feel that these people just don't get it yet, and we want them to stop contacting us! I would really appreciate your views on the SPCA's statements.Thanks so much,  Marlene (still missing Pekoe  Digby .) 
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Re: hi im new

[Seaside32]

i just found a felv kitten i was dump at my work he 8 week old i will be 
looking for a home for him as i have other kitten in the house but till i find a 
home i trying to learn as much as i can to help my little baby boy. 
he had uri when i got him and still has runny eyes that some time goo over 
any help you can give me will be greatly helpful 

ilene 

Re: Bandy and the ringworm

[Nina]

Phaewryn,
Thanks for the idea about the MSM I have some in the house because I
give it to Zevon, (our GSD with degenerative spinal mylopathy). What
dosage did you use for Bones? How is our girl these days? Starman has
been having a terrible time with itching lately. I've tried a number
of things, one of the effective things that surprised me was using corn
starch baby powder on his irritated skin.
Nina

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  
  
  
  I agree, the ringworm could be so bad in his case due to immune
system issues. I'd definitely do anything I could to boost his immune
system. I didn't see vitamin C on your list of things you're feeding
him.
  
  I have NO idea if this is safe for sick cats or not (or if it
might do anything to his eye issues), so ask around, BUT, I cured more
than one dog of severe flea allergy (oozing, bleeding, open, scabby,
nasty looking skin) with supplementing MSM. It seems to have some
unknown anti-inflammatory properties. I know it's safe for dogs,
horses, and if labeled for cats, healthy cats,not sure about cats with
immune problems like FELV and/or FIV. I can assure you it CAN work
miracles in some cases, I have seen it myself, for dogs with flea
dermatitis, and for arthritic horses. FosterSmith.com sells a few kinds
labeled for use in cats. In fact, I used it on Bones for a while (it is
also wonderful for arthritis) for her back problems. It wont cure the
ringworm, but it may help with much of the inflammation he's getting
because of it. And who knows, it might help his eye and fever. Do check
with your vet though, to be sure it wont interact badly with his other
meds.
  
  Poor guy, he's had it bad for quite some time now! Did you get
one of those cape/cone collars to keep him from scratching at his head?
  
Phaewryn

Re: hi im new

[gblane]

How wonderful that you're helping this sweet little baby.  Where are 
you located? We have members in various US states, and different 
countries.  Glad you joined the list.


Gloria



At 12:51 PM 6/16/2006, you wrote:
i just found a felv kitten i was dump at my work he 8 week old i 
will be looking for a home for him as i have other kitten in the 
house but till i find a home i trying to learn as much  as i can to 
help my little baby boy.
he had uri when i got him and still has runny eyes that some time 
goo over any help you can give me will be greatly helpful


ilene

Re: new to FeLV - Roxane and Ty

[Nina]

Hi Roxane,
How's Ty doing today?

Roxane Baldwin wrote:

  When you first took him in, he
had a slight URI which you treated with amoxi. His URI came while
at the vets office, he spent the night because I had him neutered, was
that a mistake? They sent amoxi home with him.

No, I wouldn't say that having him neutered was a
mistake. I always arrange to pick up my kids the day of the operation
to save them any added stress. The stress of anesthesia is always a
concern, even animals that seem perfectly healthy have died during or
after simple s/n surgeries. My fingertips are always bloody from
biting my nails to the quick on the days I have to take someone in, but
what are you going to do? No one leaves my protection intact. It's
our only true defense against overpopulation and the terrible plight
that comes from too many animals and not enough responsible humans.
There are things you can do to help insure their safety during
operations. Making sure they are given fluids during, that they use
gas instead of injectable anesthesia, that they are in the best health
possible before hand, to name a few. 

   
  
   
  He also had worms, so you
treated him for that, what did you use for the worms? Yes, but I
dont know what they treated him with, sorry.

Some wormers are harder on their systems than
others. I was just wondering. I'm not thrilled with your vet at the
moment.
 
  
   
  Did he then develop diarrhea,
or had he had it all along? Developed it after the worm which I
thought was normal but it was water.

Poor baby.
 
  
   
  How is that now? Much
better but I removed his kibble and started him on raw. My
canines are all raw feed, just 2 felines on raw, now Ty, and my FIV

Taking them off dry is the first thing
recommended for kitties with GI problems. Putting my IBD girl, Gypsy,
on raw, no exaggeration, saved her life. I've heard some say they
have a concern about felv kitties on raw diets, but I think as long as
you are using the freshest, best grade meats you can find, and are
sanitary in preparation and storage, then the benefits far outweigh the
any potential hazards.
 
  
   
  Have his stools firmed up? Yes

Good to hear.
 
  
   
  If I understand you, Ty got
over his "slight" URI after the amoxi, (how many days was he on the
abx?), eight days and now he's stuffed up even worse. Is that
right? Yes

Eight days seems like a reasonable amount of time
to have helped him kick his URI. You might want to try longer if you
put him on an antibiotic again. Talk to your vet about it. Along with
the Lysine, you might want to try something recommended by one of our
list members once. Children's nose drops called "Little noses". I've
gotten some to keep in the house, (mostly because of the concern about
them getting too stuffed up to not be able to smell their food), but I
haven't had to use them on anyone yet. I can't remember how the person
that wrote about them administered them. I think they used a soaked
q-tip, does anyone else remember?

   
   
  
   
  I would start mixing in some
Lysine with his food. The recommended dose is 500mg per day, (make sure
it's pure L-Lysine). Where do I find L-Lysine?

You can get Lysine at the health food store.
Wendy cautioned about one of the ingredients, I hadn't heard that
before. Wendy, if you're reading, can you elaborate on that?

   
   
  
   
  He is eating okay, isn't he? Yes,
he loves his food.

Always a good sign :) .

   
   
  
   
  I don't know how cat-savvy you
are, I'm guessing you have some experience under your belt since you
have an FIV boy, but cats will usually stop eating when they can't
smell their food. Including Ty, I have 13 cats. My FIV boyhas
never really been sick so this is really new to me. 
  

13 cats, huh? Yep, you're one of us. Prayers
for continued good health for your FIV boy, what's his name?
 
  
   
  When you search for a
different vet, see if you can find an Internist. You could ask your
current vet to refer you to one. I'm not saying Ty would need a
specialist to get over his URI, or diarrhea, but it's good to have an
experienced vet when/if the need arises to battle serious illness. I
have a number for a cat specialist in my parents neighborhood, Ty would
just have to travel some to get to her. Diet, keeping their
stress level down and taking an aggressive approach to even the most
common illnesses to prevent them from escalating are very important in
keeping our babies asymptomatic. Prayers for you and Ty, Thank
you Nina!

Cat only clinics are probably a good idea, but
that's not exactly what I was talking about. They are still "GP" type
vets, and while they would logically be more experienced dealing with
cat problems, they don't have the expertise of a board certified
Internist. The specialty clinics I'm talking about have vets that are
more versed in the type of life threatening diseases that our sweet
felv kids are prone to. Not only that, but they will usually have more
than one kind of specialist in their practice, 

Re: SPCA's Views on FelV

[Nina]

Hi Marlene,
Someone just sent me an article about just this topic, (to test or not 
to test).  What he had to say made some sense to me and it sounds like 
the same sort of logic that the administrator at the SPCA is using: 
http://www.alleycat.org/pdf/shouldwerelease.pdf  
Take a look and tell me what you think. 

Why are you so angry at them?  The last manager sounds like a real jerk 
and I'm glad he's gone, but this new person seems to be compassionate 
and took the time to respond to your concern and grief with an 
explanation of why they do things the way they do.  I'm sure you and 
your husband are still reeling from the grief and disappointment of 
losing your Angels, but would you rather have had them tested and 
immediately be pts because of their status?  Even if they decided to try 
and place asymptomatic cats that test pos, how many homes would be 
available to them?  Would you have adopted Pekoe and Digby had you known 
beforehand?  You probably would have felt sad for them, but like most 
people would have left them behind in favor of a kitten with a better 
chance at a healthy life.  If so, you might have saved yourself a lot of 
heartache, (let's face it there are no guarantees against misfortune), 
but you would never have known and loved these two precious souls.  I 
don't know Marlene, it's a tough call.  Yes it would be better if 
potential adopters were prepared for the possibility of adopting cats 
that were exposed to fiv/felv, but as we on the list know, that risk is 
inherent in most of the rescues out there.  If you were willing to 
converse with this woman, you might be able to help put a program in 
place that would advise all potential adopters of the possibility, and 
their recourses if their new loves do indeed test pos after they get 
them home.


Are you saying that this shelter doesn't neuter the animals they adopt 
out either?  I would have more of a problem with that, then I would 
their logic about why they don't test.  I do remember someone on the 
list, (I can't remember who right now, maybe Patti, or MC, someone that 
had experience with a large shelter situation), saying how they 
sometimes wished people wouldn't test at all because of the negative 
outlook regarding fiv/felv and the needless euthanasia that occurs 
because of it.  I'm sorry if I've distressed you more with my opinions, 
but you did ask and you know I'm not one to keep my views to myself.  I 
know you are a caring, thoughtful human with only the best interest of 
the cats in mind.  Sometimes it isn't possible to deal with people whose 
views on emotional subjects are too far from our own, but it does sound 
like this manager might be open to discussing different methods in the 
way they deal with testing.  If you feel strongly about how they do 
things at the shelter, if you think they should be changed, you owe it 
to the memory of your sweet babies to do whatever you can to make things 
better for the kitties still there.  At least that's my perhaps not so 
humble opinion.

You are in my thoughts,
Nina


Marlene Chornie wrote:


Hello Group,
 
It's been a little over 3 weeks now since we lost our beloved 
little Pekoe.  I will be posting more about that at a later date 
though.  At the time, I emailed the SPCA shelter where we adopted both 
Pekoe and Digby from, merely to let them know that Pekoe had also 
passed - not that I expected them to care, because the branch manager 
exhibited a _terrible_ attitude with us when told they were FelV+  and 
felt they bore no responsibility for it happening in the first place.  
She was also unconcerned that any other cats in the shelter may have 
also contracted the disease.  Since I had not invited any response 
from them, I was very surprised when I received one.  It appears that 
the branch manager that we dealt with is no longer there (what a 
surprise) and I received the following response from the new manager.  
To be honest, I'm a little disturbed by some of the things she said, 
and I would appreciate any input/comments from the group.  (FYI - 
Pekoe and Digby were both unneutered males, strays, and were approx. 8 
months and  13 months old respectively.  They were diagnosed FelV+ 7 
months after we adopted them, at ages 15 months and 20 months.)
 
With our limited resources, we are unable to test all the incoming cats

for FeLeuk and FIV.  Feline Leukemia is only present in 3% of the cat
population as a whole, but that is mostly concentrated in strays.  Since
the most common source of transmission is by bite, we generally only test
high risk cats, usually unneutered males who are more likely to fight.  We
don't as a rule, test kittens under 6 months as the test results are very
unreliable.  The SNAP test that we use tests for the presence of
antibodies which can take weeks from the time of infection to appear.
Because young kittens' immune systems are under developed, it can take 3
months or longer from the time of transmission to the time 

Nina-Ty

[Roxane Baldwin]

Hi Nina!  How's Ty doing today?   Just a little stuffy but really not bad  hislitter box still is looking normal.  No, I wouldn't say that having him neutered was a mistake. I always arrange to pick up my kids the day of the operation to save them any added stress. The stress of anesthesia is always a concern, even animals that seem perfectly healthy have died during or after simple s/n surgeries. My fingertips are always bloody from biting my nails to the quick on the days I have to take someone in, but what are you going to do? No one leaves my protection intact. It's our only true defense against overpopulation and the terrible plight that comes from too many animals and not enough responsible humans. There are things you can do to help insure their safety during
 operations. Making sure they are given fluids during, that they use gas instead of injectable anesthesia, that they are in the best health possible before hand, to name a few.   The reason Ty was kept over night was my fault, I drove him to the vet on my way to work to have them look him over and do bloodwork. I wasn’t planning on neutering him, that was an after thought. I ask that they keep him over night so I could make sleeping arrangements for him after finding out he was positive for Felv.Some wormers are harder on their systems than others. I was just wondering. I'm not thrilled with your vet at the moment.  Haha, I have a love hate relationship with my vet, for the most part he does whatever I ask him to do so that makes me happy.Taking them off dry is the first thing recommended for kitties with GI problems. Putting my IBD girl, Gypsy, on raw, no exaggeration, saved her life. I've heard some say they have a concern about felv kitties on raw diets, but I think as long as you are using the freshest, best grade meats you can find, and are sanitary in preparation and storage, then the benefits far outweigh the any potential hazards.  I’ve seen good results with him on raw. I’ve been feeding my Eng. Setter with auto-immune disease for over 2 years and my senior Golden raw for just 8 months so I know my meat sources are good. Eight days seems like a reasonable amount of time to have helped him kick his URI. You might want to try longer if you put him on an antibiotic again. Talk to your vet about it. Along
 with the Lysine, you might want to try something recommended by one of our list members once. Children's nose drops called "Little noses". I've gotten some to keep in the house, (mostly because of the concern about them getting too stuffed up to not be able to smell their food), but I haven't had to use them on anyone yet. I can't remember how the person that wrote about them administered them. I think they used a soaked q-tip, does anyone else remember?  I’ll go out and get some.  You can get Lysine at the health food store. Wendy cautioned about one of the ingredients, I hadn't heard that before. Wendy, if you're reading, can you elaborate on that?  I found it! I also asked on the rawcat list which meats may naturally higher in Lysine.  He is eating okay, isn't he? Yes, he
 loves his food.  Always a good sign :) . He is nuts about the raw13 cats, huh? Yep, you're one of us. Prayers for continued good health for your FIV boy, what's his name? Peep, he is 8 years old  a real sweetieCat only clinics are probably a good idea, but that's not exactly what I was talking about. They are still "GP" type vets, and while they would logically be more experienced dealing with cat problems, they don't have the expertise of a board certified Internist. The specialty clinics I'm talking about have vets that are more versed in the type of life threatening diseases that our sweet felv kids are prone to. Not only that, but they will usually have more than one
 kind of specialist in their practice, Opthomologists, Cardiologists, Oncologists. They are good places to have an association with, just in case. I wouldn't bother with trekking Ty out to the "cats only" clinic unless you get the vet on the phone and he tells you he has experience dealing with felv, or at the very least seems very excited to help you care for Ty. Car rides are stressful and if you can find someone closer, it would be better. Did you ask your current vet for a referral? I'm sure he won't be offended, and if he is, you should definitely be looking for a new vet!  The cat specialist got under my skin over the phone, I wouldn’t take anything to that office. After hearing the comment, "Well, since you spent the money to have him neutered" I was done. It was the most negative conversation I’ve ever had with anyone that I wanted to give money to! My current vet gave me a lot more hope than this lady did. I totally felt that
 they thought I was making a mistake by taking this boy and showing him what a loving family was like. The lady had the nerve to tell me I wasn’t being fair to Ty! Killing him is FAIR! I don’t think so. I wish I could getTy down to my canines vet 

Re: hi im new

[Nina]

Hello Ilene,
I'm so glad you found us and I'm so glad you've taken this little lost
soul in. Thank you, thank you! When you say you have another kitten
in the house, do you actually mean kitten, or is he an older cat?
Healthy, adult cats are not likely to catch felv, especially if they've
had the vaccination for it. If you are keeping them in separate rooms,
it is very unlikely that your other cat will "catch" it. Many, many of
us on the list mix have and do mixed negative and positives. My
negative cats lived together with my positives, they ate together, used
the same litter boxes, groomed each other and played together. All my
negatives are still negative. If your other cat hasn't been tested,
I'd do so, (not all pos at or look sick), if he hasn't had his shots,
I'd do that too.

I assume you've taken him to the vet, how else would you suspect he has
felv. It's good that your vet didn't try and talk you into having him
put to sleep just because he has a cold, or because he tested felv
positive. Unfortunately many vets still think this is the "best" thing
to do. Your kitten, (what's his name?) may need the help of a mild
antibiotic to help him get over his upper respiratory infection,
(URI). Call your vet and ask for a prescription. They just saw him,
so you probably won't have to take him in again, unless you think it's
necessary. It's not surprising that he's feeling sick, the poor little
guy has been through so much. I'm betting with a little time and care
in your safe protection, he'll be feeling better very soon. Also at
the very young age of 8 weeks the test could be a false-positive. He
may be carrying antibodies from his mother that would show up on the
test as pos, when he doesn't actually have the disease at all. He
needs to be retested when he's older (at 3 months old) to see if it's
still a positive result.

Get him some L-Lysine at the health food store and at least a good
"multi-vitamin" supplement for cats/kittens. There are many things you
can do to help keep him asymptomatic. One of the most important things
is helping him feel safe, (no stress!), feeding him quality foods and
treating any signs of illness quickly. I'm sure others on the list
will have suggestions for you.

Give that little angel a smooch on the top of his head from me, I bet
he's adorable,
Nina

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  
  
  
  i just found a felv kitten i was dump at my work he 8 week old i
will be looking for a home for him as i have other kitten in the house
but till i find a home i trying to learn as much as i can to help my
little baby boy. 
  he had uri when i got him and still has runny eyes that some
time goo over any help you can give me will be greatly helpful 
  
  ilene 
  

Re: Nina-Ty (Little Noses)

[Nina]

Roxane,
Does anyone call you Roxy? I'm becoming fond of you and for some
reason want to call you Roxy :) . I'm really pleased to hear that Ty
is doing well. Shame on that cat's only clinic vet for having such a
narrow view of quality of life. Those are the vets that really need
education. So many well meaning, otherwise caring people, (I'm not
giving this particular vet credit for either), think they are doing a
cat a "favor" by pts before they have a chance to suffer. It's a real
hot button issue with me. Why not just euthanised all of them, neg/pos
alike? Most animals, (humans included), are bound to suffer at some
point in their life, why not just save everyone alive from the
hardships and lessons learned through the trials we may
endure? Don't get me started!

I think there was a caution with those nose drops, maybe making sure
there wasn't an expectorant. See if you can look it up in the
archives. Wait a minute, I'll go get mine and tell you what it
says... It's "Little Noses" for infants and Children. It does say
decongestant, 1/8% formula, no alcohol or PPA, (phenylpropanolgmine,
whatever the heck that is), no mercury, no harmful preservatives.
Hmm... I don't think I'd use it unless I was desperate. I wish I
could remember who on the list recommended it.

Did I tell you I have an FIV boy too? His name is Starman and he's a
relatively new addition. He's a big lug of a sweetheart, (at least now
that he's trusts me and has stopped breaking my skin!). I've heard
nothing but praise for fiv guys. I've heard them described as mellow
couch potatoes. Star still has some issues with our newest
off-the-street cat, Spencer, but for the most part, he's such a love.
I forgot to remind the vet to test Spencer for fiv/felv when he was
being neutered, there's a part of me that would like to just remain
ignorant, you know? The next time he goes in, I'll have him tested.
Many prayers and good wishes for Peep to continue in happiness and good
health!

So, do you want to tell us your "number" of dogs? When strangers ask
me how many animals I have, I usually just say too many. If they press
me, I repeat "too many", (I'm so cautious with whom I share the
information, I don't want any problems with animal control!). If they
keep asking, I just keep repeating. Usually they give up and walk away
scratching their heads. I don't care if people think I'm crazy, I
probably am.
Nina

Re: new to FeLV

[Marylyn]

Dixie Louise  tested FeLV + over a year ago.  She is perfectly healthy and 
loves life.  FeLV + is NOT a death sentence.  You are not watching him 
die...you are watching him live in a loving place.


You might try Apple Pectin and FastTrack for Felines to help with the 
problems.


Please look in your heart.






If you have men who will 
exclude any of God's creatures
from the shelter of 
compassion and pity, you will have men who
will deal likewise with 
their fellow man.
 St. 
Francis
- Original Message - 
From: Carmen Conklin [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 8:28 AM
Subject: RE: new to FeLV


Hi Roxanne, Keep working with him. I'd treat all the symptoms first and 
see how he is after that. There is always a chance for finding a place for 
him too. Give him a chance and see if all the health problems don't work 
themselves out. If not, then you know you did everything you possibly 
could for him. Carmen (C  W)




From: Roxane Baldwin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: new to FeLV
Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 16:09:12 -0700 (PDT)

Hi,

  About a week and a half ago we had a stray come to our house.  Because 
I have a FIV cat I took this guy right into the vets office to be tested. 
He came back FeLV +, we went ahead and neutered him, I would not hear of 
putting this little black beauty to sleep, he is a great boy, not feral 
at all.
  He came home from the vets with a little respiratory issue but we 
cleared that right up with amoxi.  He was just as full of worms as a cat 
can get, so we've treated him for that but now the diarrhea is really bad 
and I cannot seem to get if firmed up.  He is on Natural Balance, I would 
like to get him onto raw.
  This boy has not really shown any signs of illness other then what I've 
mentioned, and the vet seems to think that his health is not really too 
bad.  I guess I don't know my options and my vet just says that he will 
do whatever I want but I need more options then death by lethal injection 
or bring home to watch die. Help!


  Roxane

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Re: Nina-Ty (Little Noses)

[Roxane Baldwin]

No, I'm called either Roxane or Ann, my mom didn't want me to be called Roxy so she nicknamed me before other kids would. I just don't know why she didn't name me Ann it that is what she was going to call me. : )Tom, my husband,and I for the last 5 years or so have trapped ferals and have taken them in for spay/neuter and then return them where we trapped them (our property), some we see again others we don't. Any kittens we find we work to socialize and find homes. Tyis the first one I would call a stray not feral. The first day I was able to pick him up and handlewith out being scratched or biten, he just cuddled right in when I picked him up, it was love for me. Ty is our first Felv to come to our house, I hope this is not a new pattern starting.The cat clinic just upset me more, it was more than obvious they didn't want to deal with a Felv cat.
 Since dealing with a canine with auto-immune disease I've really come to not trust vets in general. I hope I don't offend anyone when I get talking about my views of vets but I believe if they wouldn't be so money hungry they would help educate their clients about vaccines and not over vaccinate. I know that a lot of it is my fault too, I never thought a vet would hurt my puppy. I better stop talking about the vets  canines I have lots to say.I will not worry about the little noses, he is not blowing bubbles anymore. I know, that is really bad but he has improved a lot, very little stuffiness and is purring fairly normal.I think it is funny how many people say their fiv's are couch potatoes, Peep has never got that memo, he is always doing something, very active comparied to my other healthy 8 y/o (Jay) both are my luv bugs. Peep has major issues with Ty, Peep has a strong
 territorial instinct, guess that is why he is fiv, he will not back down from a fight and enjoys starting them, ok, I guess he is only a sweetie to me  my husband. Tom keeps telling me to prepare myself, he knows how hard it will be on me when something does happen with Peep but I don't think it will be any different from my 11 y/o healthy boy Chandler (he is my first cat) or any other one, they are my kids along with the canines.I have just 2 canines Cheyenne, a 12 y/o Golden Retriever rescue, and Pollee a wild 4 y/o field English Setter, she is the one that opened a lot of doors for me in the world of animal health,because of her auto-immune disease she has a low thyroid, major allergy issues, along with some other little things. I also have 1 Jersey Wooly rabbit and a bunch of chickens running the yard driving the dogs nuts. I'm lucky I live out in the country and the county, at this time, doesn't limit us to
 how many pets we can have.  so do you have dogs? You don't have to tell me numbers  Roxane,Horton, Iowa 
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Re: SPCA's Views on FelV

[Marlene Chornie]

 Thank you all for your comments/input.Even 
though Pekoe and Digby initially tested FelV neg., they both ended up 
FelV+. This could only have happened if one or both of them had contracted 
it prior to entering the shelter, or, one or both were exposed to it at 
the shelter (due to the poor conditions of the shelter at the time). To 
me, this means that other cats in the shelter at the time could potentially have 
also been exposed to it. And yet, they seemed unconcerned with that 
scenario. I guess this is the source of my frustration - the fact that 
they were unwilling to admit or accept that possibility. Also, when we 
pointed out that they were deworming incorrectly (Pekoe had a 
severe case of worms, and they were giving only one 
pill to deworm each cat) they were most unreceptive to that information. 
My concern continues to be that no follow-up was made on their part with other 
adopters with regard to the health status of their cats - which in my mind could 
have been as simple as a few phone calls under the "guise" of "We're just 
calling to see how you and your cat are getting along". 
 We do take consolation in the fact that because we 
pursued the matter at the head office level of the SPCA, improvements have been 
made with this particular branch. They have moved to a more appropriate 
facility, and it would appear that they have a more knowledgeable and caring 
branch manager than the one we dealt with. You may be right Nina, that 
this branch manager seems to be more open to discussion, and perhaps sometime in 
the future we may do just that.

Marlene
(Angels Pekoe  Digby) 

Re: Bandy and the ringworm

[felv]

For cats, it's a VERY tiny amount, like 1/8 teaspoon once a day. I didn't 
have Bones on it for very long, she did great, and really, never needed it, I 
think. I was thinking it might help, but she really bounced back fast on her 
own! She's doing awesome... she would LOVE a HOME with someone.. she's up for 
adoption. There's pictures on my adopt page, down in my sig. You couldn't find a 
better little cat, all the cattitude of a Siamese, but snugglier. And she has 
the cute raspy type of meow.
Phaewryn

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Re: new to FeLV

[Roxane Baldwin]

Don't worry, I have no plans of giving up on this baby, I believe he is a true diamond.  RoxaneMarylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  Dixie Louise tested FeLV + over a year ago. She is perfectly healthy and loves life. FeLV + is NOT a death sentence. You are not watching him die...you are watching him live in a loving place.You might try Apple Pectin and FastTrack for Felines to help with the problems.Please look in your heart.If you have men who will exclude any of God's creaturesfrom the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men whowill deal likewise with their fellow man.St. Francis- Original Message - From: "Carmen Conklin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: Sent: Thursday, June
 15, 2006 8:28 AMSubject: RE: new to FeLV Hi Roxanne, Keep working with him. I'd treat all the symptoms first and  see how he is after that. There is always a chance for finding a place for  him too. Give him a chance and see if all the health problems don't work  themselves out. If not, then you know you did everything you possibly  could for him. Carmen (C  W)From: Roxane Baldwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgTo: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: new to FeLVDate: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 16:09:12 -0700 (PDT)Hi, About a week and a half ago we had a stray come to our house. Because  I have a FIV cat I took this guy right into the vets office to be tested.  He came back FeLV +, we went ahead and neutered him, I would not hear of 
 putting this little black beauty to sleep, he is a great boy, not feral  at all. He came home from the vets with a little respiratory issue but we  cleared that right up with amoxi. He was just as full of worms as a cat  can get, so we've treated him for that but now the diarrhea is really bad  and I cannot seem to get if firmed up. He is on Natural Balance, I would  like to get him onto raw. This boy has not really shown any signs of illness other then what I've  mentioned, and the vet seems to think that his health is not really too  bad. I guess I don't know my options and my vet just says that he will  do whatever I want but I need more options then death by lethal injection  or bring home to watch die. Help! Roxane __Do You
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Re: SPCA's Views on FelV

[felv]

I only test if the cat appears ill on intake. I DO test before adoption 
though, just to be able to tell the adopter for sure that I did test (and the 
result). The info they gave you was what's right for FIV though, not what's 
right for FELV. It appears this manager is not aware of the difference. FELV is 
spread by saliva and close contact (but very rarely in adults, kittens are most 
at risk), FIV is only spread by deep bite wounds (blood contact) and age makes 
no difference.

Testing is VERY expensive when you take in numbers of cats. It's hard to 
break even as it is... most people don't want to pay over $70 for a cat's 
adoption fee... the FIV/FELV combo snap test is $35. Add the spay/neuter... and 
you're already losing money. I have never ever once made any profit on saving a 
single cat in my care. My typical loss is upwards of $50 for every cat I rescue, 
just in vet work, that's not saying how much in food, litter, and supplies I 
spend for every cat. 
Phaewryn

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Re: new to FeLV

[Marylyn]

Another thing you might try for the diarrhea is an 
active culture yogurt (some cats will eat it, some won't). My bet is the 
antibiotics have his gut bacteria messed up. There are a number of 
probiotics onthe market that can help with this. You might talk to 
health food store people or a pharmacist. Dixie Louise sees her regular 
vet and an alternative vet as needed. E. A. Boswell DMV (Louisville, KY) 
has her on homeopathic "meds." As soon as I figured out that Dixie 
Louise was a keeper (she was a throw away that spend several months behind my 
Mom's house) despite the FeLV+ I took her to see Dr. Boswell. Something 
like this may work for you and your little friend. 

Take care. Enjoy every day with your little 
diamond. It is trite but no one knows when her/his days will end. I 
am (slowly) learning this lesson. 


 
If you have men who will exclude any of God's 
creatures 
from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who 
 
will deal likewise with their fellow 
man. 
St. Francis

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Roxane 
  Baldwin 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 9:12 PM
  Subject: Re: new to FeLV
  
  Don't worry, I have no plans of giving up on this baby, I believe he is a 
  true diamond.
  RoxaneMarylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote:
  Dixie 
Louise tested FeLV + over a year ago. She is perfectly healthy and loves 
life. FeLV + is NOT a death sentence. You are not watching him die...you 
are watching him live in a loving place.You might try Apple Pectin 
and FastTrack for Felines to help with the problems.Please look 
in your heart.If you have men who will 
exclude any of God's creaturesfrom the shelter of compassion and 
pity, you will have men whowill deal likewise with their fellow 
man.St. Francis- Original Message - From: "Carmen 
Conklin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: 
Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 8:28 
AMSubject: RE: new to FeLV Hi Roxanne, Keep working with 
him. I'd treat all the symptoms first and  see how he is after that. 
There is always a chance for finding a place for  him too. Give him 
a chance and see if all the health problems don't work  themselves 
out. If not, then you know you did everything you possibly  could 
for him. Carmen (C  W)From: Roxane Baldwin 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Reply-To: 
felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgTo: 
Felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: new to FeLVDate: 
Tue, 13 Jun 2006 16:09:12 -0700 
(PDT)Hi, About a week and a 
half ago we had a stray come to our house. Because  I have a FIV 
cat I took this guy right into the vets office to be tested.  He 
came back FeLV +, we went ahead and neutered him, I would not hear of 
 putting this little black beauty to sleep, he is a great boy, 
not feral  at all. He came home from the vets with a 
little respiratory issue but we  cleared that right up with 
amoxi. He was just as full of worms as a cat  can get, so we've 
treated him for that but now the diarrhea is really bad  and I 
cannot seem to get if firmed up. He is on Natural Balance, I would 
 like to get him onto raw. This boy has not really 
shown any signs of illness other then what I've  mentioned, and 
the vet seems to think that his health is not really too  bad. I 
guess I don't know my options and my vet just says that he will  
do whatever I want but I need more options then death by lethal injection 
 or bring home to watch die. Help! 
Roxane 
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Re: new to FeLV

[Gloria B. Lane]

Good point...

  From: 
  Marylyn 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 10:38 
PM
  Subject: Re: new to FeLV
  
  Another thing you might try for the diarrhea is 
  an active culture yogurt (some cats will eat it, some won't). My bet is 
  the antibiotics have his gut bacteria messed up. There are a number of 
  probiotics onthe market that can help with this. You might talk to 
  health food store people or a pharmacist. Dixie Louise sees her regular 
  vet and an alternative vet as needed. E. A. Boswell DMV (Louisville, KY) 
  has her on homeopathic "meds." As soon as I figured out that Dixie 
  Louise was a keeper (she was a throw away that spend several months behind my 
  Mom's house) despite the FeLV+ I took her to see Dr. Boswell. Something 
  like this may work for you and your little friend. 
  
  Take care. Enjoy every day with your little 
  diamond. It is trite but no one knows when her/his days will end. 
  I am (slowly) learning this lesson. 
  
  
   
  If you have men who will exclude any of God's 
  creatures 
  from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who 
   
  will deal likewise with their fellow 
  man. 
  St. Francis
  
- Original Message - 
From: 
Roxane Baldwin 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 

Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 9:12 
PM
Subject: Re: new to FeLV

Don't worry, I have no plans of giving up on this baby, I believe he is 
a true diamond.
RoxaneMarylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
Dixie 
  Louise tested FeLV + over a year ago. She is perfectly healthy and 
  loves life. FeLV + is NOT a death sentence. You are not watching him 
  die...you are watching him live in a loving place.You might 
  try Apple Pectin and FastTrack for Felines to help with the 
  problems.Please look in your 
  heart.If you have men who will exclude any 
  of God's creaturesfrom the shelter of compassion and pity, you 
  will have men whowill deal likewise with their fellow man.St. 
  Francis- Original Message - From: "Carmen Conklin" 
  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: Sent: 
  Thursday, June 15, 2006 8:28 AMSubject: RE: new to 
  FeLV Hi Roxanne, Keep working with him. I'd treat all the 
  symptoms first and  see how he is after that. There is always a 
  chance for finding a place for  him too. Give him a chance and see 
  if all the health problems don't work  themselves out. If not, 
  then you know you did everything you possibly  could for him. 
  Carmen (C  W)From: Roxane Baldwin 
  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Reply-To: 
  felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgTo: 
  Felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: new to 
  FeLVDate: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 16:09:12 -0700 
  (PDT)Hi, About a week and 
  a half ago we had a stray come to our house. Because  I have a 
  FIV cat I took this guy right into the vets office to be tested. 
   He came back FeLV +, we went ahead and neutered him, I would 
  not hear of  putting this little black beauty to sleep, he is 
  a great boy, not feral  at all. He came home from 
  the vets with a little respiratory issue but we  cleared that 
  right up with amoxi. He was just as full of worms as a cat  
  can get, so we've treated him for that but now the diarrhea is really bad 
   and I cannot seem to get if firmed up. He is on Natural 
  Balance, I would  like to get him onto raw. This 
  boy has not really shown any signs of illness other then what I've 
   mentioned, and the vet seems to think that his health is not 
  really too  bad. I guess I don't know my options and my vet 
  just says that he will  do whatever I want but I need more 
  options then death by lethal injection  or bring home to watch 
  die. Help! Roxane 
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Re: felv kittten

[Seaside32]

i work at a pet store and i have other kitten that had been dump there. 

i took him in but the gorup i vol is to full and i do not have the money to 
pay for a lot  the group i vol test him for me. but i have 4 other kitten 
and 1 adult cat. the other kitten test neg. i live in nj any help 
any one at can give will be great or if you know any one that live in nj that 
foster felv cat that if he does test pos that might have opening it would be 
helpful.

his name is Giggles 
i do not know how to post under the same page sry if i doing this work 
please help
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Re: hi im new

[Gloria B. Lane]

Location?

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 12:51 
PM
  Subject: Re: hi im new
  
  i just found a felv kitten i was dump at my work he 8 week old i will be 
  looking for a home for him as i have other kitten in the house but till i find 
  a home i trying to learn as much as i can to help my little baby boy. 
  
  he had uri when i got him and still has runny eyes that some time goo 
  over any help you can give me will be greatly helpful 
  
  ilene