To Elizabeth re. Mama Kitty
Hey Elizabeth, I am so sorry that Mama Kitty was attacked by that dog!I know exactly how you feel. Our Julie had the same thing happen. The neighbor's dog (a big boxer) got out of their fence and came into our garage while Julie was sleeping, while my husband was cleaning his car right there, and before my husband knew it, the dog had her head in his mouth and was shaking her like a rag doll! Poor thing. That's the day she came inside the house permanently. How is Mama Kitty doing now? I haven't read all the posts yet, so you've probably aready answered this. I hope she's ok! Poor baby. You'll just have to spoil her a little more than normal for the next few weeks. :) Wendy __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Popeye
Hi Tonya, I just read your posts on Popeye and I'm so sorry that he's doing so badly. How did his vet visit go? I hope you guys got good news. My Julie who is 17 is hyper-T, and some of the symptoms are meowing loudly in the middle of the night (panic attack), cardiomyopathy (heart murmur), drinking a lot (not whiskey-lol), weight loss, and general atrophy of the muscles. If he is hyper-T, you might be able to help turn him around with Tapazole. Keep us posted on the vet visit. :) Wendy __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
P.S. Re: Popeye
If Popeye is hyper-T, the meds can reverse some of the damage to the heart if the heart problems are related to the hyper-T. You should use the transdermal gel (rubbed into the ear) because of the difficulty in giving Popeye meds. That's what Julie gets and she doesn't even know she's getting meds. :) Wendy __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: To Elizabeth re. Mama Kitty
Thank you, Wendy. I'm spoiling her at every opportunity. I've been debating whether to confront my neighbor about this issue. I just hate having my first encounter with the neighbors being so negative though. Now that I've calmed down and had some time to reflect - I know that they really did not mean for the dog to get out and were racing to remedy the problem at the time it happened. They've lived there at least a couple of years and that is the first time it has happened and I really think there was some kind of turmoil going on at their house. (This does not excuse not even asking if Mama was OK though) I don't have a problem opening up a can of "whoop-ass" when need be but my gut instinct tells me to wait and to not be threatening - I've learned to follow my instincts. I've also learned that onceI've unleashed a'can' ...therer's no undoing it. Meanwhile, I'm doing my best to transition Mama Kitty into an indoor kitty. She spent the past two nights inside. She doesn't have the natural litter box know-how inborn to so many cats and so I do periodically let her out to take care of business...but then I've been convincing her to come back in. She's inside now and happy in her little nest on the couch. Her favorite 'ladies room' material is mulch so I'm wondering ifthe 'feline pine' litter might make it easier for her to transition? If I filled a litter box with pine bark mulch from the yard - she would know exactly what to do. She seems to be ok. She is very affectionate and a lot more willing to come inside so this may just be an opportunity to provide a safer environment for her. When 'macat' sent the email about the kitty dying from shock it really blew my mind. That could have happened to Mama Kitty after this incident. They truly are more fragile than you think. Here's a picture of Mama Kitty that was taken last Tuesday by a photographer who came here to photograph Indigo Buntings. At least before this last incident - she truly seems happier and healthier than she has ever been... http://www.trentdesigns.com/elizabeth/MommaCat.jpg Thank you to everyone - you've been so supportive through this. I'll never confess to being a girl who leans on people or who ever needed support for anything - but I just don't know what I would do without you all on this list. elizabeth In a message dated 8/19/2006 7:44:29 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hey Elizabeth,I am so sorry that Mama Kitty was attacked by thatdog! I know exactly how you feel. Our Julie hadthe same thing happen. The neighbor's dog (a bigboxer) got out of their fence and came into our garagewhile Julie was sleeping, while my husband wascleaning his car right there, and before my husbandknew it, the dog had her head in his mouth and wasshaking her like a rag doll! Poor thing. That's theday she came inside the house permanently. How isMama Kitty doing now? I haven't read all the postsyet, so you've probably aready answered this. I hopeshe's ok! Poor baby. You'll just have to spoil her alittle more than normal for the next few weeks. :)Wendy
Smokey Update Condolences
First of all, I just wanted to take a moment to send my condolences to everyone that have lost their cherished little ones. They leave their little tiny paw prints in every heart that they touch while here on this Earth. So sorry to hear of each every one of your losses. I just wish I could do more for Smokey. When cats have this disease they can be so fragile unpredictable. They could live for only a few days or yearsthey can tank in a matter of hours. You never know what the future holds. Soon I am hoping to update our website to include pictures of the little guy. If I can get this task completed I'll add a link later for anyone who wants to visit our website. _Update_: We took him back to the vet on Tuesday, 08/15/06 for a recheck. The vet guesses he is between 2 to 3 years old. He is still too weak to vacinate for rabies,etc. or get neutured. He weighed only 4 1/2 pounds when we took him into the vet on 08/01/06. As of his last vet visit on Tuesday 08/15/06 he now weighs 7 1/2 pounds. He has gained three pounds in the 14+ days we've taken care of him! He no longer has a fever his diarrhea has let up (except when he is taking his antibiotics). I am no longer Sub-Qing him his 2nd dose of wormer was given to him this morning, 08/17/06. We were concerned about his fast breathing. The vet said she was worried about fluid around the lungs or in his chest. So we had blood work done x-rays taken. The blood work had to be sent away because our local vet's machines can't read his blood properly. The vet said this can happen due to the feline leukemia. The only reading they got on his blood is that one of his liver function levels is very high, 245. I'm not sure which one but I think the high end of normal was 111. The vet diagnosed him with a slight pnuemonia due to the lungs having a fluffy cotton look to them, not clear. He is now only on one, new antibiotic, beef flavored Baytril, due to the slight pnuemonia. The vet is suppose to get back to me with his blood work results and starting him on a regiment of Interferone L-Lysine. He is a little trooper. Has anyone else ever used this Baytril how did you get it into your little one? I am having a heck of a time getting it into him. I'm usually a pro at giving cats pills but not this time. I tried mixing it in his food (canned cat food tuna).that only worked once. I tried the old fashioned route of just popping it in his mouth. He acts like he is choking, screams, spits it out. My last resort the way I am getting it into him right now is: crushing the pill, putting it in a syringe, adding liquid, squirting it into his mouth. This causes him to froth at the mouth horribly, works him up, he runs around the room drooling everywhere. He gets so mad at me.I don't want him to feel upset every time he sees me now. I just don't know any other way to get it into him. Any ideas? I actually have to go into the vet get more pills because I've wasted three of them. Do any of you have any suggestions on an immunity boosting regiment I can start him on in addition to or instead of the Interferone L-Lysine, slowly at first? This is new territory for me so I really can't tell if he is doing good for his circumstances or if I should be preparing for the worst. Please send all your good vibes to Smokey right now. He needs all he can get. Thanks a bunch! ~Dee
Re: Smokey Update Condolences
baytril comes in a flavored chewable form that some cats take readily--talk to your vet about that i have persians, who are a real pain to pill because of their tiny little mouths--hard to even do the pop-the-mouth-open-shove-pill-to-back-of-throat trick cuz there's no ROOM in there whenever possible, i use the injectible meds, because they don't seem to mind that nearly as much (and i swear they get a huge kick out of making mommy chase them around the house with a loaded syringe). while not all meds come in injectible forms, baytril certainly is one that does On 8/19/06, Dee Evan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: First of all, I just wanted to take a moment to send my condolences to everyone that have lost their cherished little ones. They leave their little tiny paw prints in every heart that they touch while here on this Earth. So sorry to hear of each every one of your losses. I just wish I could do more for Smokey. When cats have this disease they can be so fragile unpredictable. They could live for only a few days or yearsthey can tank in a matter of hours. You never know what the future holds. Soon I am hoping to update our website to include pictures of the little guy. If I can get this task completed I'll add a link later for anyone who wants to visit our website. _Update_: We took him back to the vet on Tuesday, 08/15/06 for a recheck. The vet guesses he is between 2 to 3 years old. He is still too weak to vacinate for rabies,etc. or get neutured. He weighed only 4 1/2 pounds when we took him into the vet on 08/01/06. As of his last vet visit on Tuesday 08/15/06 he now weighs 7 1/2 pounds. He has gained three pounds in the 14+ days we've taken care of him! He no longer has a fever his diarrhea has let up (except when he is taking his antibiotics). I am no longer Sub-Qing him his 2nd dose of wormer was given to him this morning, 08/17/06. We were concerned about his fast breathing. The vet said she was worried about fluid around the lungs or in his chest. So we had blood work done x-rays taken. The blood work had to be sent away because our local vet's machines can't read his blood properly. The vet said this can happen due to the feline leukemia. The only reading they got on his blood is that one of his liver function levels is very high, 245. I'm not sure which one but I think the high end of normal was 111. The vet diagnosed him with a slight pnuemonia due to the lungs having a fluffy cotton look to them, not clear. He is now only on one, new antibiotic, beef flavored Baytril, due to the slight pnuemonia. The vet is suppose to get back to me with his blood work results and starting him on a regiment of Interferone L-Lysine. He is a little trooper. Has anyone else ever used this Baytril how did you get it into your little one? I am having a heck of a time getting it into him. I'm usually a pro at giving cats pills but not this time. I tried mixing it in his food (canned cat food tuna).that only worked once. I tried the old fashioned route of just popping it in his mouth. He acts like he is choking, screams, spits it out. My last resort the way I am getting it into him right now is: crushing the pill, putting it in a syringe, adding liquid, squirting it into his mouth. This causes him to froth at the mouth horribly, works him up, he runs around the room drooling everywhere. He gets so mad at me.I don't want him to feel upset every time he sees me now. I just don't know any other way to get it into him. Any ideas? I actually have to go into the vet get more pills because I've wasted three of them. Do any of you have any suggestions on an immunity boosting regiment I can start him on in addition to or instead of the Interferone L-Lysine, slowly at first? This is new territory for me so I really can't tell if he is doing good for his circumstances or if I should be preparing for the worst. Please send all your good vibes to Smokey right now. He needs all he can get. Thanks a bunch! ~Dee -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
Re: Smokey Update Condolences
I'm not qualified to answer many of your questions - but I can't help but think that the significant weight gain is a very good sign. I always try to get liquid meds when I can since we have the technique down here...but as to pills, in my view - the quicker you can get the business over with - the better. There is a tool the vet gave me - a piller...long post kind of thing (about pencil length)that grips the pill and thenreleases it at the very back of their throat when you push the end. Pop that thing in and massage their throat so that they do swallow it down and just 'git er done'. There's just no pretty way to do it, I think...but quicker is better. Hold kitty for a minute or so afterward - don't let them bolt until you say "all done!" in a very happy and positive voice. praise them greatly and give treats. I hope so much that Smokey will continue to improve. The Acemannan worked great for Mama Kitty -- I don't know if it is back on the market since the USDA audit though... In a message dated 8/19/2006 10:07:47 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: First of all, I just wanted to take a moment to send my condolences to everyone that have lost their cherished little ones. They leave their little tiny paw prints in every heart that they touch while here on this Earth. So sorry to hear of each every one of your losses.I just wish I could do more for Smokey. When cats have this disease they can be so fragile unpredictable. They could live for only a few days or yearsthey can tank in a matter of hours. You never know what the future holds. Soon I am hoping to update our website to include pictures of the little guy. If I can get this task completed I'll add a link later for anyone who wants to visit our website._Update_: We took him back to the vet on Tuesday, 08/15/06 for a recheck. The vet guesses he is between 2 to 3 years old. He is still too weak to vacinate for rabies,etc. or get neutured. He weighed only 4 1/2 pounds when we took him into the vet on 08/01/06. As of his last vet visit on Tuesday 08/15/06 he now weighs 7 1/2 pounds. He has gained three pounds in the 14+ days we've taken care of him! He no longer has a fever his diarrhea has let up (except when he is taking his antibiotics). I am no longer Sub-Qing him his 2nd dose of wormer was given to him this morning, 08/17/06. We were concerned about his fast breathing. The vet said she was worried about fluid around the lungs or in his chest. So we had blood work done x-rays taken. The blood work had to be sent away because our local vet's machines can't read his blood properly. The vet said this can happen due to the feline leukemia. The only reading they got on his blood is that one of his liver function levels is very high, 245. I'm not sure which one but I think the high end of normal was 111. The vet diagnosed him with a slight pnuemonia due to the lungs having a fluffy cotton look to them, not clear. He is now only on one, new antibiotic, beef flavored Baytril, due to the slight pnuemonia. The vet is suppose to get back to me with his blood work results and starting him on a regiment of Interferone L-Lysine. He is a little trooper.Has anyone else ever used this Baytril how did you get it into your little one? I am having a heck of a time getting it into him. I'm usually a "pro" at giving cats pills but not this time. I tried mixing it in his food (canned cat food tuna).that only worked once. I tried the old fashioned route of just popping it in his mouth. He acts like he is choking, screams, spits it out. My last resort the way I am getting it into him right now is: crushing the pill, putting it in a syringe, adding liquid, squirting it into his mouth. This causes him to froth at the mouth horribly, works him up, he runs around the room drooling everywhere. He gets so mad at me.I don't want him to feel upset every time he sees me now. I just don't know any other way to get it into him. Any ideas? I actually have to go into the vet get more pills because I've wasted three of them.Do any of you have any suggestions on an immunity boosting regiment I can start him on in addition to or instead of the Interferone L-Lysine, slowly at first?This is new territory for me so I really can't tell if he is doing good for his circumstances or if I should be preparing for the worst. Please send all your good vibes to Smokey right now. He needs all he can get. Thanks a bunch!~Dee
Re: Smokey Update Condolences
Dee, I very, very strongly recommend giving him Immuno-Regulin (See articles on www.felineleukemia.org website). It helped my Patches recover from pneumonia quickly. I think I only got her 1 shot. With Ginger it took 2 to get rid of a bad URI. Others have had good results with it too. It is an intense immune stimulant. Michelle
Re: Felvtalk Digest, Vol 19, Issue 55
About Animal Control and the Police..I don't know in your state but where I live in NE there's no AC and the police will act only if you're in town. Outside the City limits the county sheriff has juridiction, IOW if you're here in a rural area you could contact the co sheriff and they would take over..is that maybe your situation? Marta Please visit my shop Cat Agora gifts for cat caregivers http://www.cafepress.com/marta
RE: P.S. Re: Popeye
Wendy; I started Delilah (Sam's 16 year old mother) on Tapisole 5 mg. two times a day two months ago. Unless I can get it in on the first try while she is mummied in a towel, there's no need to try again. She was diagnosed at that time with hyperthyroidism. Her T-level was 13, and I belive normal is 4. (?) I knew about the transdermal gel; my vet mentioned it. Is it really is absorbed well on the inside of the ear? I know she feels much better, her coat is shiny, and she has put on a little weight but what a struggle.!!! I know I should not compare, but giving Sam five meds a day including injections 2X a week, and subcu fluids, was easier. He did not like it, but he let me do it for 7 years.I am thankful it was not Delilah...(He could read my mind and know when I was thinking about giving them and run and find a nice hiding place!!!) Anyhow, I am anxious to hear more about the gel. I hope Tonya lets everyone know about Popeye Helene 0 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of wendy Sent: Saturday, August 19, 2006 9:50 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: P.S. Re: Popeye If Popeye is hyper-T, the meds can reverse some of the damage to the heart if the heart problems are related to the hyper-T. You should use the transdermal gel (rubbed into the ear) because of the difficulty in giving Popeye meds. That's what Julie gets and she doesn't even know she's getting meds. :) Wendy __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Pilling tips - Smokey
Hi Dee, It's good to hear that Smokey is improving, that's quite a significant weight gain. If he was dehydrated before, I wonder how much of it is fluids. Prayers that he quickly improves completely. As to the Baytril... It's a broader spectrum abx. I've used it before with my guys. I got the stuff that MC is talking about that is suppose to be chewable. Ha! Maybe a dog would eat it, but my cats looked at me as if I'd lost my mind. Grinding it up and mixing it with food didn't work either. I've gotten to be pretty good with a piller, (unfortunately I've had lots of practice), but I found a new trick that I was able to use to dose 3 cats at the same time, (yeah, when it rains it pours). Anyway, this works as long as the cat has an appetite. Go get yourself some Pill Pockets, they sell them at most pet stores. They have different flavors, so use the one that you think Smokey would like the best. Take the pill pocket and use just enough to mold it around the pill, (about half of the regular pill pocket), cover it just enough so that Smokey can't taste it, or get wise if he bites into it slightly. If the pills are too large, then cut them in half. Hide the pill covered in pill pocket in a SMALL pile of something really yummy and smelly, like tuna. I used chicken chunks because I could make them the same size as the pill pocket and thought it would work better, turns out they'll eat them even in baby food. Make sure you roll the pill pocketed pill in whatever you're feeding so it picks up the flavor. I held my breath the first few times I tried this. It got to the point that I'd put the treat down and walk away, coming back only to check that the pill was eaten. Maybe it's because I made such a fuss about it being treat time. Some people have had success with the whole pill pocket given like a treat, (that's the way they are intended to be used), but again, my guys thought I was crazy. Do remember whenever you pill a cat, either with you finger or a piller, you should chase it with at least a couple of ccs of water in a feeding syringe. If you can make sure they lap some tuna water, or eat a treat afterward, that would do it too. You just want to make sure the pill goes all the way down their throat. This is esp important with something that has a corrosive quality like Doxycycline. Good luck, keep us posted, Nina Dee Evan wrote: First of all, I just wanted to take a moment to send my condolences to everyone that have lost their cherished little ones. They leave their little tiny paw prints in every heart that they touch while here on this Earth. So sorry to hear of each every one of your losses. I just wish I could do more for Smokey. When cats have this disease they can be so fragile unpredictable. They could live for only a few days or yearsthey can tank in a matter of hours. You never know what the future holds. Soon I am hoping to update our website to include pictures of the little guy. If I can get this task completed I'll add a link later for anyone who wants to visit our website. _Update_: We took him back to the vet on Tuesday, 08/15/06 for a recheck. The vet guesses he is between 2 to 3 years old. He is still too weak to vacinate for rabies,etc. or get neutured. He weighed only 4 1/2 pounds when we took him into the vet on 08/01/06. As of his last vet visit on Tuesday 08/15/06 he now weighs 7 1/2 pounds. He has gained three pounds in the 14+ days we've taken care of him! He no longer has a fever his diarrhea has let up (except when he is taking his antibiotics). I am no longer Sub-Qing him his 2nd dose of wormer was given to him this morning, 08/17/06. We were concerned about his fast breathing. The vet said she was worried about fluid around the lungs or in his chest. So we had blood work done x-rays taken. The blood work had to be sent away because our local vet's machines can't read his blood properly. The vet said this can happen due to the feline leukemia. The only reading they got on his blood is that one of his liver function levels is very high, 245. I'm not sure which one but I think the high end of normal was 111. The vet diagnosed him with a slight pnuemonia due to the lungs having a fluffy cotton look to them, not clear. He is now only on one, new antibiotic, beef flavored Baytril, due to the slight pnuemonia. The vet is suppose to get back to me with his blood work results and starting him on a regiment of Interferone L-Lysine. He is a little trooper. Has anyone else ever used this Baytril how did you get it into your little one? I am having a heck of a time getting it into him. I'm usually a pro at giving cats pills but not this time. I tried mixing it in his food (canned cat food tuna).that only worked once. I tried the old fashioned route of just popping it in his mouth. He acts like he is choking, screams, spits it out. My
