Re: Felvtalk - introduction - Chewie and Stitch
Hi Joe - welcome. I'm glad you found us -- this is the place to be. I'm a little behind on posts and will have to catch up but just wanted to let you know that you and Stitch have every reason to have hope. Don't ever hesitate to ask questions. elizabeth On 4/9/07, Joe Reil [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Howdy all, This is my first post to this list, thought I'd do a bit of intro. We had three cats in our family. The older two were both castaways that were adopted as adults. Zoro was the oldest and I adopted him from a co-worker when I lived by myself. He died several years ago. The remaining two were Stitch and Chewie. Chewie was the next oldest. She had a really hard start to life, she was originally found, as a stray by some friends of ours. She was probably two or three at the time and she had evidence of being abused - she had some suspicious scars on her underside. She lived with them for a while, very shy/nervous and eventually came out of her shell. A couple years later, they had to move, and couldn't take her with them so we took her in. We had her for several years as well and while we don't know her exact age, best estimate put her at 8-10 years old when she died last month. She had a loss of appetite and started losing weight. She had two trips to the Vet - after the first visit she took a serious turn for the worse so we had her back at the vet only a few days later. A blood test on the second visit revealed that she had FelV. So, considering she was very sick and was suffering from a pretty serious disease we opted to put her to sleep then. :( I didn't know much about FelV then (and I'm still learning about it), but information from both our Vet and online resources I found indicated that it was contagious so we decided to have our third (and youngest) cat tested for it. Stitch is the only one we got as a Kitten and she's about 3.5 years old. I brought her to the vet this weekend and she tested positive for FelV. :( I do intend to learn as much as I can about the disease so we can keep her with us as long as possible. I know that it will eventually catch up to her and our main thing will be to put that off as long as possible. She's still young and healthy so hopefully that'll be a long time still. :) We had been planning to get a second cat, but we've put that plan on hold now. I know it is possible to inoculate against FelV, but given that the vaccine takes a while to take effect, we'd either have to quarantine the new cat until the vaccine took effect or find it someplace else to live for a month or so, and on top of all that I don't think we want to put Stitch through the stress of another housemate at the moment (she doesn't react well to strangers). Thanks, Joe Need Mail bonding? Go to the Yahoo! Mail QA for great tips from Yahoo! Answers users. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=listsid=396546091
Re: sigh. don't forget to keep checking for recall news.
Hey, MaryChristine, how about spaying and neutering Pet Food officials? OK, I can't believe I am thinking this, but does anyone on this list make their own food? I will have to go no mil tomorrow, but i am really considering this. I don't know if i will ever be able to completely do it...I have so many, but hey, it's worth a thought --- TenHouseCats [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: www.howl911.com -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892 When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the service of your God Mosiah 2:17 Bored stiff? Loosen up... Download and play hundreds of games for free on Yahoo! Games. http://games.yahoo.com/games/front
Re: sigh. don't forget to keep checking for recall news.
Pitcairn has a book out (available at Amazon.com) that has recipes as do several other people (same source). I've started doing a lot of cooking for Dixie Louise. She isn't really fond of the change but will get used to it. A can of mackerel runs about $1 a pound and chicken and turkey can be had on sale. Even beef gets thrown in. I started figuring the per pound cost of cat food vs the ingredients and I'm not sure there is a lot of difference. Then I have one cat and 3 ferals + whoever shows up). If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: dede hicken [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 7:12 AM Subject: Re: sigh. don't forget to keep checking for recall news. Hey, MaryChristine, how about spaying and neutering Pet Food officials? OK, I can't believe I am thinking this, but does anyone on this list make their own food? I will have to go no mil tomorrow, but i am really considering this. I don't know if i will ever be able to completely do it...I have so many, but hey, it's worth a thought --- TenHouseCats [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: www.howl911.com -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892 When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the service of your God Mosiah 2:17 Bored stiff? Loosen up... Download and play hundreds of games for free on Yahoo! Games. http://games.yahoo.com/games/front
Re: sigh. don't forget to keep checking for recall news.
i've got a copy of dr pitcairn's book (newest is the 3rd edition) on order, as well as a used copy of donald strombeck's. those are the two that my source highly recommends--but the strombeck one is a veterinary textbook and very pricey unless you look around. (it says it has 210 recipes in it, tho, so they won't get bored!) On 4/11/07, Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Pitcairn has a book out (available at Amazon.com) that has recipes as do several other people (same source). I've started doing a lot of cooking for Dixie Louise. She isn't really fond of the change but will get used to it. A can of mackerel runs about $1 a pound and chicken and turkey can be had on sale. Even beef gets thrown in. I started figuring the per pound cost of cat food vs the ingredients and I'm not sure there is a lot of difference. Then I have one cat and 3 ferals + whoever shows up). If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: dede hicken [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 7:12 AM Subject: Re: sigh. don't forget to keep checking for recall news. Hey, MaryChristine, how about spaying and neutering Pet Food officials? OK, I can't believe I am thinking this, but does anyone on this list make their own food? I will have to go no mil tomorrow, but i am really considering this. I don't know if i will ever be able to completely do it...I have so many, but hey, it's worth a thought --- TenHouseCats [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: www.howl911.com -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892 When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the service of your God Mosiah 2:17 Bored stiff? Loosen up... Download and play hundreds of games for free on Yahoo! Games. http://games.yahoo.com/games/front -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
Re: pungent urine
Great news-we were able to sleep last night! The smell has already dissipated (knock on wood). Maybe he just had some squirts of really stinky stuff to get out. We can only hope. I spent yesterday monitoring candles all over the house, baking cookies, chili, anything to mask the smell! I found candles I didn't even know I had. Need to get those warmers though-much safer. My husband is much happier now that he's slept a full night without trying to stuff our faces into our pillows from the odors! And I can work in my office without too much discomfort! (I know you were all dying to get an update on my pee stories-sorry I don't have anything more interesting or meaningful!) Melissa
RE: OT-ARGH to Pet Health Pharmacy
Kelly, That's great that you live out of the city. We plan to live on the edge of town, well, in a town our size, that's not too hard-technically we're on the edge anyway-but I think I can convince my husband that if he gets to build a big garage/man cave, that I get part of it for a shelter! But, in the meantime, I might work on him for the English garden idea for our walk out basement. Unfortunately, too many people around here don't wait for invitations-they just come over! But, I'll have to say that small town life does have its benefits-very safe-but I'm not so sure how safe it would be for my cats. But, all of you have really motivated me to realize my dreams and get to work on a better job so I can afford to do this! In the meantime, I might work on educating people this summer about spay/neuter. So many people around here are back-door feeders, but they don't bother to spay/neuter! That makes me irate! They think they're helping cats, but they're only adding more starving, sick babies. I hope I can get some people to help me take outdoor cats to a shelter that has a free spay/neuter program. We'll see how it goes.Melissa _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelly L Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 11:17 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: OT-ARGH to Pet Health Pharmacy At 06:45 PM 4/10/2007, you wrote: Thank you.. It just sort of grew.. Fortunately I have 1.5 acres and do not live in the city. I also do not give my address out, .If you have a back yard you could start with something small, Use a bit of shade cloth and that nice llattice and tell people you have a hot house or small english garden,, and never invite anyone over!! Kelly Kelly Lane-I love your pictures of your cattery! How wonderful! If only I could afford that! Someday. But, let's hope the locals don't get angry because of zoning and whatnot. I live in a town of 800 people, and it just depends as to what will set people off! I've printed lots of pictures from your site to save in my dream folder. What great ideas you have! Melissa No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.0.0/754 - Release Date: 4/9/2007 10:59 PM
Re: Nutro Max tainted...
I went Saturday and bought some cans of Wellness and Evangers for my cats. Of course they wouldn't eat the stuff. I want to feed them better foods but they won't eat it. Any ideas? Thanks, Cindy Reasoner --- Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone have the ingredients list for the varieties of Nutro Max that were third party tested? (Nutro Max gourmet classics: Chicken Cacciatore, California Chicken Supreme and Lamb Turkey Cutlets). I wish the article would have told us outright if they have wheat gluten in them, (thanks Chris for posting it). I'm staying away from anything with wheat gluten period, (recall list or no recall list). It kills me that the majority of media coverage is still quoting the FDA about 15 confirmed deaths. I understand the cya type of bureaucracy involved, but couldn't they give the public a hint about just how widespread this situation really is? I'm still coming across clients that haven't a clue about how dangerous it is to feed pet food without reading the label. Nina Chris wrote: It doesn't end---privately arranged testing shows melanite in canned Nutro Max... Aren't these companies doing any testing!!! http://origin.marinij.com/marin/ci_5631579 No need to miss a message. Get email on-the-go with Yahoo! Mail for Mobile. Get started. http://mobile.yahoo.com/mail
Fwd: [feline-hyperT] OT: MORE BAD CAT FOOD
Note: forwarded message attached. Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world: Indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ 8:00? 8:25? 8:40? Find a flick in no time with the Yahoo! Search movie showtime shortcut. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/shortcuts/#news---BeginMessage--- Just received this post on the Feline IBD board. Please cross post widely. - BREAKING NEWS: Cat Food Not on Recall List Test Positive for Toxin This is the first laboratory-confirme d case of a non-recalled product containing melamine. One family confirms that the FDA is investigating these additional products. Three 3-ounce varieties of Nutra Max Cat Gourmet Classics tested positive for melamine by UC Davis: * Chicken Cacciatore, UPC 79105352055 * California Chicken Supreme, UPC 79105300117 * Lamb Turkey Cutlets, UPC 79105300148 The test was privately requested by a California family whose cat fell ill. Several varieties of Nutro Products brand pet food - including 3-ounce food pouches for cats, 5.3-ounce pouches for dogs and 12.5-ounce cans for dogs - are either on the FDA's list or on Nutro's own list at its Web site, www.nutroproducts. com. But the lists do not include the 3-ounce cans for cats. The canned cat food that tested positive for melamine at UC Davis were the Lamb Turkey Cutlets, California Chicken Supreme and Chicken Cacciatore. Another family is claiming that Nutro canned food not on the recalled list made their cat sick. Their story is after the jump. You may want to know that we had notified Nutro back in January of a potential problem with this Nutro Max Cat California Chicken Supreme in 3 oz cans. Out cat had all of a sudden didn't want to eat it anymore and then began vomiting. We had sent cans to them for testing and they replied back saying the food was fine. Well our cat died on March 11th, 5 days before the recall. This food was never on the recall list. I not only tried to tell Nutro back in January, I also called them 3 times and emailed them after the recall on 3-16. They took messages but no one ever called back. I also called Menu Foods twice but everyone just kept saying that food is not on the recall list and no one ever called back. We did talk to FDA and they took the info down. Then we received a mysterious phone call from FDA last Friday wanting to know the status of the unopened cans of food we had left. We told them we still have it. He also wanted to know about the food we had donated to our local animal shelter. Our cat died on 3-11 and we donated leftover food on 3-12. He was going to call them and my husband asked what this was about. He said they were looking into trends in food not on the recall list but wouldn't offer more than that. This makes me think that they knew this was coming down last week when they called us. Anyhow we offered to go retrieve all the food from the animal shelter so we now have all of it. After the recall had happened we had immediately called the animal shelter due to our suspicions asked they not use the food so they had put it on a back shelf with a big sign saying do not use. So anyhow this at least proves if there had been good testing procedures in place they would have caught this back in january and prevented the death and illness of many pets. I can bet Nutro is busy shredding and deleting any record of food complaints they received back in Dec, Jan, Feb and March. Also we had received the below email from them. Anyhow I thought you would be interested. And also I want to thank Nikki again for putting me together with another reader, Russell, who's cats are home tonight after having their kidneys flushed after eating Nutro Max Cat Calfornia Chicken Supreme in the 3 oz cans the same food we fed our cat who is now dead that was not on the recall list. Thank you, Susan ---End Message---
More info on Joey
Joey has lost 3 ounces of the 7 ounces he previously regained. The vet says for me to not syringe feed him because if I force him to eat when he doesn't want to it will just make him throw up and make him sickly. So do yall have any suggestions for convincing him to eat? He seems to like all food equally. -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Joey! http://rescuties.chipin.com/joey-autoimmune-hemolytic-anemia
Home made turkey recipe
I'll send you the recipe, but there are also prepackaged supplements made to mix with raw food to help make them complete. Before I started adding my own supplements to raw food for Gypsy, (she eats the cooked turkey diet now), I used Feline Future's Instincts TC: http://www.felinefuture.com/ I don't think it's made to add to cooked meat though. We could always email them and ask. I'm betting there is something out there similar to it to add to cooked muscle meat, I just don't know what it is. (Would have been a good question for MC's expert). Here are a couple of nutrition webpages I've bookmarked in the past: http://cats.about.com/od/catfoodandnutrition/Cat_Food_and_Nutrition.htm http://www.catinfo.org/ Nina Marylyn wrote: I'd love to have the turkey recipe. Dixie is getting lots of various (chicken, turkey, mackerel, beef) meats + Transfer Factor Feline Complete + Barley Cat. Short term this is fine but I need to make sure her diet is balanced. Thanks If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - *From:* TenHouseCats mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Sent:* Tuesday, April 10, 2007 10:18 PM *Subject:* Re: Nutro Max tainted... yeah, i'm wondering when it's gonna get posted--tho she was very professional, and refused to post any recipes per se! hee hee. gave references, and basics, tho. On 4/10/07, *Nina* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kelley, You have to do what makes you feel comfortable, but I don't think it matters as much which brand as what ingredients... Does the kitten food have wheat gluten in it? I have a homemade goat's milk kitten formula I've used with great success for bottle babies. I also feed Gypsy, my IBD girl a homemade turkey diet. If you'd like either recipe, let me know and I'll send them to you off list. I'm looking forward to MC's homemade chat list transcript, (like Belinda, I meant to tune in and missed it). Nina Kelley Saveika wrote: Crap. I JUST bought some nutro max kitten. Guess I will take it back tomorrrow. I had to buy KMR so I got some, normally I do not buy cat food in Petsmart... On 4/10/07, Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Additional: I randomly checked a few others: all had wheat gluten in them. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Nina To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 5:47 PM Subject: Re: Nutro Max tainted... Does anyone have the ingredients list for the varieties of Nutro Max that were third party tested? (Nutro Max gourmet classics: Chicken Cacciatore, California Chicken Supreme and Lamb Turkey Cutlets). I wish the article would have told us outright if they have wheat gluten in them, (thanks Chris for posting it). I'm staying away from anything with wheat gluten period, (recall list or no recall list). It kills me that the majority of media coverage is still quoting the FDA about 15 confirmed deaths. I understand the cya type of bureaucracy involved, but couldn't they give the public a hint about just how widespread this situation really is? I'm still coming across clients that haven't a clue about how dangerous it is to feed pet food without reading the label. Nina Chris wrote: It doesn't end—privately arranged testing shows melanite in canned Nutro Max… Aren't these companies doing any testing!!! http://origin.marinij.com/marin/ci_5631579
Re: pungent urine
That's good news Melissa. As far as I'm concerned, no good news is trivial, we need as much of it as we can get! There is nothing like the pungent aroma of intact Tom cat! Before I could my FIV boy Starman neutered, I had to take him back and forth to a long-distant vet several times. He was terrified of being in the car and he'd immediately let go with his fragrance the minute I put him in the carrier. He'd scream his head off the whole way and I'd do my best to get him to hear me consoling him with my head out the window. Not at all pleasant! Tell your husband well done for getting through Cassidy's hormone adjustment without resorting to violence. Nina Melissa Lind wrote: Great news—we were able to sleep last night! The smell has already dissipated (knock on wood). Maybe he just had some squirts of really stinky stuff to get out. We can only hope… I spent yesterday monitoring candles all over the house, baking cookies, chili, anything to mask the smell! I found candles I didn’t even know I had. Need to get those warmers though—much safer. My husband is much happier now that he’s slept a full night without trying to stuff our faces into our pillows from the odors! And I can work in my office without too much discomfort! (I know you were all dying to get an update on my pee stories—sorry I don’t have anything more interesting or meaningful!) Melissa
Re: OT-ARGH to Pet Health Pharmacy - Feral group
Hooray for you Melissa!! There's lots of good info out there to help with the education project. Why don't you take a peek at the feral group on Yahoo: http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/feral_cats/You are so right in saying that feeding without s/n adds to the problem instead of helping it. Welcome to the front lines of rescue! Nina Melissa Lind wrote: Kelly, That's great that you live out of the city. We plan to live on the edge of town, well, in a town our size, that's not too hard---technically we're on the edge anyway---but I think I can convince my husband that if he gets to build a big garage/man cave, that I get part of it for a shelter! But, in the meantime, I might work on him for the English garden idea for our walk out basement. Unfortunately, too many people around here don't wait for invitations---they just come over! But, I'll have to say that small town life does have its benefits---very safe---but I'm not so sure how safe it would be for my cats. But, all of you have really motivated me to realize my dreams and get to work on a better job so I can afford to do this! In the meantime, I might work on educating people this summer about spay/neuter. So many people around here are back-door feeders, but they don't bother to spay/neuter! That makes me irate! They think they're helping cats, but they're only adding more starving, sick babies. I hope I can get some people to help me take outdoor cats to a shelter that has a free spay/neuter program. We'll see how it goes...Melissa
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Joey - mass in stomach - cancer?
Does cancer cause anemia? I'm getting way out of my depth here. -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Joey! http://rescuties.chipin.com/joey-autoimmune-hemolytic-anemia
Re: Home made turkey recipe/more recipes
I would love to have the recipe as well. Actually, at this point I would like to have all kinds of recipes pertaining to both cat and dog foods. I'm stopping canned foods. I can't take the aggravation anymore due to recalls. I have several cases and single cans of recalled foods that have been purchased from Safeway, Fred Meyer (Kroger), PetSmart, IAMS, Nutra, Hill's Diet and Walmart. These are different varieties of both cat and dog food. That is suppose to be so great and wonderful. My Ferals don't get anymore canned food either. I pray that my prior rescues that have been adopted out are safe since they were on this crap! I haven't heard from any so that is a good thing. Geez, if it's not one thing it's another. My household hasn't been the same since we made the move over a year ago. When will it stopped! Sorry my off my soapbox for now! Terrie Mohr-Forker TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS SIAMESE COLLIE RESCUE Donations accepted at: _https://www.paypal.com/_ (https://www.paypal.com/) _http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/_ (http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/) _http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescue_ (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescue) _http://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.html_ (http://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.html) _http://www.felineleukemia.org/_ (http://www.felineleukemia.org/) _http://www.hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.html_ (http://www.hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.html) _http://www.petloss.com/_ (http://www.petloss.com/) ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.
RE: OK, I am freaking out
Kelley - please don't freak out -- Most importantly, how is he doing clinically? Don't get too caught in the numbers, as most importantly, how is he doing and behaving? Even if all the numbers are fine, if a kitty is not acting well, it's a concern.. the reverse is true -- You really need blood work to show all the organ functions to find out what's going on -- CBC panel is very limited for diagnosis purpose (sorry, if you emailed it to me already.. I did not see it). Ulcerated mouth/tongue can be caused by all sorts of stuff including all viral (felk, FIV, and FIP) -- but it does not mean he has it. Don't worry too much about things are not happening yet -- I would recommend you try FOI if he has any viral related illness though. Keep me posted. Hideyo -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 8:12 AM To: felvtalk Subject: OK, I am freaking out I took Joey in for his weekly vet visit. Dr Samon says his red blood cells are up a point and his white blood cells are down a little. However, he says he should be much closer to normal by now. He's doing Xrays to check for cancer and he's trying to talk me into a sonogram - I can't afford a sonogram period, I'm afraid. He's also concerned about the possibility of FELV. That's not what I would have expected in a 10 year old cat who has only been exposed to his companion 12 year old cat for his whole life. He also said something about his tongue..an ulcerated spot? Common with FELV? Can someone clue me in here? If he has FELV, I will flip out. I wonder if he had sequestered it and the stress of moving to my house triggered it He still seems to feel fine. Kelley -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Joey! http://rescuties.chipin.com/joey-autoimmune-hemolytic-anemia
RE: More info on Joey
Is he not eating at all? What is his eating habit right now? Not all cats will throw up, you really have to evaluate it individually as none of my cat I syringed fed never never threw up (some did not like me doing it..) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 9:03 AM To: felvtalk Subject: More info on Joey Joey has lost 3 ounces of the 7 ounces he previously regained. The vet says for me to not syringe feed him because if I force him to eat when he doesn't want to it will just make him throw up and make him sickly. So do yall have any suggestions for convincing him to eat? He seems to like all food equally. -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Joey! http://rescuties.chipin.com/joey-autoimmune-hemolytic-anemia
Re: OK, I am freaking out
Kelley, I am not the most knowledgable person to answer this - but FeVL+ can cause symptoms throughout the system and they are not necessarily consistent from one cat to another. This is, at least, my understanding based on information from my vet. I'm sorry I've been having trouble keeping up - but has he been tested for FeVL? I know all this is scary - but don't flip out -- stay cool for Joey. I think I saw another post from you about food. One thing my cats simply cannot resist is that salmon in the pouch by Chicken of the Sea. You can find it on the isle where they keep tuna fish. It's just the plain kind .. not the teriyaki or flavored. Mine are absolutely gaga over that and Mama Kitty would eat that when she would eat nothing else. Please keep us posted on Joey. Not knowing what's really going on is the scariest thing. elizabeth On 4/11/07, Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I took Joey in for his weekly vet visit. Dr Samon says his red blood cells are up a point and his white blood cells are down a little. However, he says he should be much closer to normal by now. He's doing Xrays to check for cancer and he's trying to talk me into a sonogram - I can't afford a sonogram period, I'm afraid. He's also concerned about the possibility of FELV. That's not what I would have expected in a 10 year old cat who has only been exposed to his companion 12 year old cat for his whole life. He also said something about his tongue..an ulcerated spot? Common with FELV? Can someone clue me in here? If he has FELV, I will flip out. I wonder if he had sequestered it and the stress of moving to my house triggered it He still seems to feel fine. Kelley -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Joey! http://rescuties.chipin.com/joey-autoimmune-hemolytic-anemia
Re: Home made turkey recipe/more recipes
Hey Dede, I have been making a homemade cooked turkey food for my IBD girl Gypsy for over a year now. I too have so many to feed that it's hard to imagine making homemade food for everyone, but I'm starting to consider it. I'll send it to you off list for you to look at. I'm thinking that you would have to do some sort of ground meat substitution for as many as you have. You could add chicken hearts and liver, (the organ meats are better for them than adding vita A and D). I actually have a meat grinder from when I was feeding a barf diet. Maybe we could watch for sales and freeze muscle meat in bulk. Did you see the links I sent to the list in answer to Marylyn's post? The very best of luck with your move and getting everyone into the house safely. I saw the recommendation, (on another list), of sneaking them into the house in open-ended boxes. What a good idea! We'll be waiting for your report of how the move went. Remember, deep breaths. Nina dede hicken wrote: Hey, MaryChristine, how about spaying and neutering Pet Food officials? OK, I can't believe I am thinking this, but does anyone on this list make their own food? I will have to go no mil tomorrow, but i am really considering this. I don't know if i will ever be able to completely do it...I have so many, but hey, it's worth a thought
Re: More info on Joey
He is eating some, but not as much as last week. The doctor says the lesion on his tongue could be from FELV? or it could be from me giving him the pills..if they are staying on his tongue too long... He says it is not an infection. If it does not go away he wants to biopsy it. I am thinking maybe when he eats it hurts his tongue, so he doesn't want to eat as much. I'm very disappointed he lost weight as he was steadily regaining. On 4/11/07, Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is he not eating at all? What is his eating habit right now? Not all cats will throw up, you really have to evaluate it individually as none of my cat I syringed fed never never threw up (some did not like me doing it..) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 9:03 AM To: felvtalk Subject: More info on Joey Joey has lost 3 ounces of the 7 ounces he previously regained. The vet says for me to not syringe feed him because if I force him to eat when he doesn't want to it will just make him throw up and make him sickly. So do yall have any suggestions for convincing him to eat? He seems to like all food equally. -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Joey! http://rescuties.chipin.com/joey-autoimmune-hemolytic-anemia -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Joey! http://rescuties.chipin.com/joey-autoimmune-hemolytic-anemia
Re: OK, I am freaking out
Elizabeth, His previous owners told me he was tested for FELV and was neg. They do not have any vet records and he is a senior cat, so it is hard for me to imagine that he has had FELV and not had proper care and lived this long. But I guess you never know. He is declawed and neutered, so I know he saw the vet at some point. But they did not have any records. The senior girl kitty he came in with they only had the records from the original adoption in 1997. Kelley On 4/11/07, elizabeth trent [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kelley, I am not the most knowledgable person to answer this - but FeVL+ can cause symptoms throughout the system and they are not necessarily consistent from one cat to another. This is, at least, my understanding based on information from my vet. I'm sorry I've been having trouble keeping up - but has he been tested for FeVL? I know all this is scary - but don't flip out -- stay cool for Joey. I think I saw another post from you about food. One thing my cats simply cannot resist is that salmon in the pouch by Chicken of the Sea. You can find it on the isle where they keep tuna fish. It's just the plain kind .. not the teriyaki or flavored. Mine are absolutely gaga over that and Mama Kitty would eat that when she would eat nothing else. Please keep us posted on Joey. Not knowing what's really going on is the scariest thing. elizabeth On 4/11/07, Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I took Joey in for his weekly vet visit. Dr Samon says his red blood cells are up a point and his white blood cells are down a little. However, he says he should be much closer to normal by now. He's doing Xrays to check for cancer and he's trying to talk me into a sonogram - I can't afford a sonogram period, I'm afraid. He's also concerned about the possibility of FELV. That's not what I would have expected in a 10 year old cat who has only been exposed to his companion 12 year old cat for his whole life. He also said something about his tongue..an ulcerated spot? Common with FELV? Can someone clue me in here? If he has FELV, I will flip out. I wonder if he had sequestered it and the stress of moving to my house triggered it He still seems to feel fine. Kelley -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Joey! http://rescuties.chipin.com/joey-autoimmune-hemolytic-anemia -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Joey! http://rescuties.chipin.com/joey-autoimmune-hemolytic-anemia
RE: More info on Joey
Kelley -- the weight he lost is not that much -- I actually weigh some of my kitties every single day for different reasons.. but they do fractuate throughout the day and throughout the week even if there is nothing wrong -- I would really suggest before you going to extreme measurement of diagnosis like biopsy which can be very stressful for the body, do the total body function work to find out how each organ is working.. sometimes, we diagnosis our animals to death so that we can find out what's going on, but stress can damage them the meantime as well. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 11:05 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: More info on Joey He is eating some, but not as much as last week. The doctor says the lesion on his tongue could be from FELV? or it could be from me giving him the pills..if they are staying on his tongue too long... He says it is not an infection. If it does not go away he wants to biopsy it. I am thinking maybe when he eats it hurts his tongue, so he doesn't want to eat as much. I'm very disappointed he lost weight as he was steadily regaining. On 4/11/07, Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is he not eating at all? What is his eating habit right now? Not all cats will throw up, you really have to evaluate it individually as none of my cat I syringed fed never never threw up (some did not like me doing it..) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 9:03 AM To: felvtalk Subject: More info on Joey Joey has lost 3 ounces of the 7 ounces he previously regained. The vet says for me to not syringe feed him because if I force him to eat when he doesn't want to it will just make him throw up and make him sickly. So do yall have any suggestions for convincing him to eat? He seems to like all food equally. -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Joey! http://rescuties.chipin.com/joey-autoimmune-hemolytic-anemia -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Joey! http://rescuties.chipin.com/joey-autoimmune-hemolytic-anemia
Re: More info on Joey
I bet you are exactly right about why he isn't eating as much. Is he drinking plenty of water? Maybe he would like some of the fancy feast that is just in the plain 'pate' form?...or maybe some baby food? Bless his little heart. Please pat him on the head for me. elizabeth On 4/11/07, Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: He is eating some, but not as much as last week. The doctor says the lesion on his tongue could be from FELV? or it could be from me giving him the pills..if they are staying on his tongue too long... He says it is not an infection. If it does not go away he wants to biopsy it. I am thinking maybe when he eats it hurts his tongue, so he doesn't want to eat as much. I'm very disappointed he lost weight as he was steadily regaining. On 4/11/07, Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is he not eating at all? What is his eating habit right now? Not all cats will throw up, you really have to evaluate it individually as none of my cat I syringed fed never never threw up (some did not like me doing it..) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 9:03 AM To: felvtalk Subject: More info on Joey Joey has lost 3 ounces of the 7 ounces he previously regained. The vet says for me to not syringe feed him because if I force him to eat when he doesn't want to it will just make him throw up and make him sickly. So do yall have any suggestions for convincing him to eat? He seems to like all food equally. -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Joey! http://rescuties.chipin.com/joey-autoimmune-hemolytic-anemia -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Joey! http://rescuties.chipin.com/joey-autoimmune-hemolytic-anemia
RE: More info on Joey
I agree also - if he is dehydrated, it will also impact the weight - how is he losing weight? What portion does he look skinny? On the spinal cord area? Or all over? _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of elizabeth trent Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 11:15 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: More info on Joey I bet you are exactly right about why he isn't eating as much. Is he drinking plenty of water? Maybe he would like some of the fancy feast that is just in the plain 'pate' form?...or maybe some baby food? Bless his little heart. Please pat him on the head for me. elizabeth On 4/11/07, Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: He is eating some, but not as much as last week. The doctor says the lesion on his tongue could be from FELV? or it could be from me giving him the pills..if they are staying on his tongue too long... He says it is not an infection. If it does not go away he wants to biopsy it. I am thinking maybe when he eats it hurts his tongue, so he doesn't want to eat as much. I'm very disappointed he lost weight as he was steadily regaining. On 4/11/07, Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is he not eating at all? What is his eating habit right now? Not all cats will throw up, you really have to evaluate it individually as none of my cat I syringed fed never never threw up (some did not like me doing it..) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 9:03 AM To: felvtalk Subject: More info on Joey Joey has lost 3 ounces of the 7 ounces he previously regained. The vet says for me to not syringe feed him because if I force him to eat when he doesn't want to it will just make him throw up and make him sickly. So do yall have any suggestions for convincing him to eat? He seems to like all food equally. -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Joey! http://rescuties.chipin.com/joey-autoimmune-hemolytic-anemia -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Joey! http://rescuties.chipin.com/joey-autoimmune-hemolytic-anemia
Re: More info on Joey
I will send the values from the other blood test when I get home. The X-ray is showing a suspicious mass in his tummy, but that would not cause issues with his mouth would it? On 4/11/07, Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kelley -- the weight he lost is not that much -- I actually weigh some of my kitties every single day for different reasons.. but they do fractuate throughout the day and throughout the week even if there is nothing wrong -- I would really suggest before you going to extreme measurement of diagnosis like biopsy which can be very stressful for the body, do the total body function work to find out how each organ is working.. sometimes, we diagnosis our animals to death so that we can find out what's going on, but stress can damage them the meantime as well. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 11:05 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: More info on Joey He is eating some, but not as much as last week. The doctor says the lesion on his tongue could be from FELV? or it could be from me giving him the pills..if they are staying on his tongue too long... He says it is not an infection. If it does not go away he wants to biopsy it. I am thinking maybe when he eats it hurts his tongue, so he doesn't want to eat as much. I'm very disappointed he lost weight as he was steadily regaining. On 4/11/07, Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is he not eating at all? What is his eating habit right now? Not all cats will throw up, you really have to evaluate it individually as none of my cat I syringed fed never never threw up (some did not like me doing it..) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 9:03 AM To: felvtalk Subject: More info on Joey Joey has lost 3 ounces of the 7 ounces he previously regained. The vet says for me to not syringe feed him because if I force him to eat when he doesn't want to it will just make him throw up and make him sickly. So do yall have any suggestions for convincing him to eat? He seems to like all food equally. -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Joey! http://rescuties.chipin.com/joey-autoimmune-hemolytic-anemia -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Joey! http://rescuties.chipin.com/joey-autoimmune-hemolytic-anemia -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Joey! http://rescuties.chipin.com/joey-autoimmune-hemolytic-anemia
RE: More info on Joey
No, the mass in the tummy itself wouldn't -- whatever is causing the mass could cause ulcers if again it's viral related, I think.. how about ultrasound - it's less invasive than biopsy and you can stay with him while they do and it only takes 15 mins or so and no anesthesia is necessary and it will tell a lot more about the mass -- is that what you meant, Kelley? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 11:17 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: More info on Joey I will send the values from the other blood test when I get home. The X-ray is showing a suspicious mass in his tummy, but that would not cause issues with his mouth would it? On 4/11/07, Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kelley -- the weight he lost is not that much -- I actually weigh some of my kitties every single day for different reasons.. but they do fractuate throughout the day and throughout the week even if there is nothing wrong -- I would really suggest before you going to extreme measurement of diagnosis like biopsy which can be very stressful for the body, do the total body function work to find out how each organ is working.. sometimes, we diagnosis our animals to death so that we can find out what's going on, but stress can damage them the meantime as well. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 11:05 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: More info on Joey He is eating some, but not as much as last week. The doctor says the lesion on his tongue could be from FELV? or it could be from me giving him the pills..if they are staying on his tongue too long... He says it is not an infection. If it does not go away he wants to biopsy it. I am thinking maybe when he eats it hurts his tongue, so he doesn't want to eat as much. I'm very disappointed he lost weight as he was steadily regaining. On 4/11/07, Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is he not eating at all? What is his eating habit right now? Not all cats will throw up, you really have to evaluate it individually as none of my cat I syringed fed never never threw up (some did not like me doing it..) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 9:03 AM To: felvtalk Subject: More info on Joey Joey has lost 3 ounces of the 7 ounces he previously regained. The vet says for me to not syringe feed him because if I force him to eat when he doesn't want to it will just make him throw up and make him sickly. So do yall have any suggestions for convincing him to eat? He seems to like all food equally. -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Joey! http://rescuties.chipin.com/joey-autoimmune-hemolytic-anemia -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Joey! http://rescuties.chipin.com/joey-autoimmune-hemolytic-anemia -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Joey! http://rescuties.chipin.com/joey-autoimmune-hemolytic-anemia
Re: More info on Joey
His spinal cord. He does not look so skinny, though. Here is his picture from 2 nights ago: http://rescuties.rescuegroups.org/images/dynapage/s689dpi7.jpg On 4/11/07, Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree also – if he is dehydrated, it will also impact the weight – how is he losing weight? What portion does he look skinny? On the spinal cord area? Or all over? From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of elizabeth trent Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 11:15 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: More info on Joey I bet you are exactly right about why he isn't eating as much. Is he drinking plenty of water? Maybe he would like some of the fancy feast that is just in the plain 'pate' form?...or maybe some baby food? Bless his little heart. Please pat him on the head for me. elizabeth On 4/11/07, Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: He is eating some, but not as much as last week. The doctor says the lesion on his tongue could be from FELV? or it could be from me giving him the pills..if they are staying on his tongue too long... He says it is not an infection. If it does not go away he wants to biopsy it. I am thinking maybe when he eats it hurts his tongue, so he doesn't want to eat as much. I'm very disappointed he lost weight as he was steadily regaining. On 4/11/07, Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is he not eating at all? What is his eating habit right now? Not all cats will throw up, you really have to evaluate it individually as none of my cat I syringed fed never never threw up (some did not like me doing it..) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 9:03 AM To: felvtalk Subject: More info on Joey Joey has lost 3 ounces of the 7 ounces he previously regained. The vet says for me to not syringe feed him because if I force him to eat when he doesn't want to it will just make him throw up and make him sickly. So do yall have any suggestions for convincing him to eat? He seems to like all food equally. -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Joey! http://rescuties.chipin.com/joey-autoimmune-hemolytic-anemia -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Joey! http://rescuties.chipin.com/joey-autoimmune-hemolytic-anemia -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Joey! http://rescuties.chipin.com/joey-autoimmune-hemolytic-anemia
Re: More info on Joey
No, the biopsy was for his tongue. He needs an ultrasound for his tummy, but I don't have the money. Ultrasounds are very expensive. On 4/11/07, Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: His spinal cord. He does not look so skinny, though. Here is his picture from 2 nights ago: http://rescuties.rescuegroups.org/images/dynapage/s689dpi7.jpg On 4/11/07, Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree also – if he is dehydrated, it will also impact the weight – how is he losing weight? What portion does he look skinny? On the spinal cord area? Or all over? From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of elizabeth trent Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 11:15 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: More info on Joey I bet you are exactly right about why he isn't eating as much. Is he drinking plenty of water? Maybe he would like some of the fancy feast that is just in the plain 'pate' form?...or maybe some baby food? Bless his little heart. Please pat him on the head for me. elizabeth On 4/11/07, Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: He is eating some, but not as much as last week. The doctor says the lesion on his tongue could be from FELV? or it could be from me giving him the pills..if they are staying on his tongue too long... He says it is not an infection. If it does not go away he wants to biopsy it. I am thinking maybe when he eats it hurts his tongue, so he doesn't want to eat as much. I'm very disappointed he lost weight as he was steadily regaining. On 4/11/07, Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is he not eating at all? What is his eating habit right now? Not all cats will throw up, you really have to evaluate it individually as none of my cat I syringed fed never never threw up (some did not like me doing it..) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 9:03 AM To: felvtalk Subject: More info on Joey Joey has lost 3 ounces of the 7 ounces he previously regained. The vet says for me to not syringe feed him because if I force him to eat when he doesn't want to it will just make him throw up and make him sickly. So do yall have any suggestions for convincing him to eat? He seems to like all food equally. -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Joey! http://rescuties.chipin.com/joey-autoimmune-hemolytic-anemia -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Joey! http://rescuties.chipin.com/joey-autoimmune-hemolytic-anemia -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Joey! http://rescuties.chipin.com/joey-autoimmune-hemolytic-anemia -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Joey! http://rescuties.chipin.com/joey-autoimmune-hemolytic-anemia
Re: More info on Joey
awwwhe's such a sweetie. elizabeth On 4/11/07, Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: His spinal cord. He does not look so skinny, though. Here is his picture from 2 nights ago: http://rescuties.rescuegroups.org/images/dynapage/s689dpi7.jpg On 4/11/07, Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree also – if he is dehydrated, it will also impact the weight – how is he losing weight? What portion does he look skinny? On the spinal cord area? Or all over? From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of elizabeth trent Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 11:15 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: More info on Joey I bet you are exactly right about why he isn't eating as much. Is he drinking plenty of water? Maybe he would like some of the fancy feast that is just in the plain 'pate' form?...or maybe some baby food? Bless his little heart. Please pat him on the head for me. elizabeth On 4/11/07, Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: He is eating some, but not as much as last week. The doctor says the lesion on his tongue could be from FELV? or it could be from me giving him the pills..if they are staying on his tongue too long... He says it is not an infection. If it does not go away he wants to biopsy it. I am thinking maybe when he eats it hurts his tongue, so he doesn't want to eat as much. I'm very disappointed he lost weight as he was steadily regaining. On 4/11/07, Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is he not eating at all? What is his eating habit right now? Not all cats will throw up, you really have to evaluate it individually as none of my cat I syringed fed never never threw up (some did not like me doing it..) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 9:03 AM To: felvtalk Subject: More info on Joey Joey has lost 3 ounces of the 7 ounces he previously regained. The vet says for me to not syringe feed him because if I force him to eat when he doesn't want to it will just make him throw up and make him sickly. So do yall have any suggestions for convincing him to eat? He seems to like all food equally. -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Joey! http://rescuties.chipin.com/joey-autoimmune-hemolytic-anemia -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Joey! http://rescuties.chipin.com/joey-autoimmune-hemolytic-anemia -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Joey! http://rescuties.chipin.com/joey-autoimmune-hemolytic-anemia
Re: More info on Joey
Elizabeth..doesn't he look fineI don't understand how he can have all this wrong with him and still seem ok... On 4/11/07, elizabeth trent [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: awwwhe's such a sweetie. elizabeth On 4/11/07, Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: His spinal cord. He does not look so skinny, though. Here is his picture from 2 nights ago: http://rescuties.rescuegroups.org/images/dynapage/s689dpi7.jpg On 4/11/07, Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree also – if he is dehydrated, it will also impact the weight – how is he losing weight? What portion does he look skinny? On the spinal cord area? Or all over? From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] On Behalf Of elizabeth trent Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 11:15 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: More info on Joey I bet you are exactly right about why he isn't eating as much. Is he drinking plenty of water? Maybe he would like some of the fancy feast that is just in the plain 'pate' form?...or maybe some baby food? Bless his little heart. Please pat him on the head for me. elizabeth On 4/11/07, Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: He is eating some, but not as much as last week. The doctor says the lesion on his tongue could be from FELV? or it could be from me giving him the pills..if they are staying on his tongue too long... He says it is not an infection. If it does not go away he wants to biopsy it. I am thinking maybe when he eats it hurts his tongue, so he doesn't want to eat as much. I'm very disappointed he lost weight as he was steadily regaining. On 4/11/07, Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is he not eating at all? What is his eating habit right now? Not all cats will throw up, you really have to evaluate it individually as none of my cat I syringed fed never never threw up (some did not like me doing it..) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 9:03 AM To: felvtalk Subject: More info on Joey Joey has lost 3 ounces of the 7 ounces he previously regained. The vet says for me to not syringe feed him because if I force him to eat when he doesn't want to it will just make him throw up and make him sickly. So do yall have any suggestions for convincing him to eat? He seems to like all food equally. -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Joey! http://rescuties.chipin.com/joey-autoimmune-hemolytic-anemia -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Joey! http://rescuties.chipin.com/joey-autoimmune-hemolytic-anemia -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Joey! http://rescuties.chipin.com/joey-autoimmune-hemolytic-anemia -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Joey! http://rescuties.chipin.com/joey-autoimmune-hemolytic-anemia
Re: Nutro Max tainted...
On Wed, 11 Apr 2007 07:27:15 -0700 (PDT) cindy reasoner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I went Saturday and bought some cans of Wellness and Evangers for my cats. Of course they wouldn't eat the stuff. I want to feed them better foods but they won't eat it. Any ideas? Cindy, My cat, Shane, doesn't like Wellness canned (any flavor), Innova Evo canned or Merrick canned. A couple of brands I've found that he likes (at the moment, anyway) are Felidae (I'm not crazy about feeding that because it contains grain) and Artemis. Of course, since cats have such variable tastes in foods, who knows if your crew will like these! These kitties keep us hopping, don't they? LOL Sue and Shane Jerome, AZ
Re: firefighters address
Thank you so much for posting Scott's address. I can't remember if it was this list that I heard this, but someone said that this man had gone back into the fire to open cages and smash windows to give the cats a chance to escape. That's when he was injured. Bless him, bless him. I woke up this morning teary eyed thinking about his bravery. We should all send him our thanks and good wishes! Nina dede hicken wrote: Hey everyone, someone asked for the info on the firefighter who was burned in the Jax HS fire. His name is Capt. Scott Dennis Firestation 50 12701 Beach Blvd. Jacksonville, Fl. 32216. I am not certain of the zip. It is the same one fas for the Humane Soc. so i think it is correct. I will be signing off tonight as I have to pack the computer. I will be back online as soon as we are settled. Keep us in your thoughts on April 21-23rd, as we will be on the road and in NY by then. God bless, Dede When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the service of your God Mosiah 2:17 Need Mail bonding? Go to the Yahoo! Mail QA for great tips from Yahoo! Answers users. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=listsid=396546091
Re: sigh. don't forget to keep checking for recall news.
Where did you find it? I don't mind checking the (one) grocery regularly for sales on meat (right now I am fixing sirloin steak for her--the last day they could market it so it is very affordable) but I am concerned about the needed add ins. I am putting Just Born and Transfer Factor Feline Complete into some of her food but..well, you know the concerns. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: TenHouseCats To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 8:35 AM Subject: Re: sigh. don't forget to keep checking for recall news. i've got a copy of dr pitcairn's book (newest is the 3rd edition) on order, as well as a used copy of donald strombeck's. those are the two that my source highly recommends--but the strombeck one is a veterinary textbook and very pricey unless you look around. (it says it has 210 recipes in it, tho, so they won't get bored!) On 4/11/07, Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Pitcairn has a book out (available at Amazon.com) that has recipes as do several other people (same source). I've started doing a lot of cooking for Dixie Louise. She isn't really fond of the change but will get used to it. A can of mackerel runs about $1 a pound and chicken and turkey can be had on sale. Even beef gets thrown in. I started figuring the per pound cost of cat food vs the ingredients and I'm not sure there is a lot of difference. Then I have one cat and 3 ferals + whoever shows up). If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: dede hicken [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 7:12 AM Subject: Re: sigh. don't forget to keep checking for recall news. Hey, MaryChristine, how about spaying and neutering Pet Food officials? OK, I can't believe I am thinking this, but does anyone on this list make their own food? I will have to go no mil tomorrow, but i am really considering this. I don't know if i will ever be able to completely do it...I have so many, but hey, it's worth a thought --- TenHouseCats [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: www.howl911.com -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892 When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the service of your God Mosiah 2:17 Bored stiff? Loosen up... Download and play hundreds of games for free on Yahoo! Games. http://games.yahoo.com/games/front -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
Re: Home made turkey recipe/more recipes
Nina, Please post recipe ON list. I'd like to see it too. Thanks, Tamara Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey Dede, I have been making a homemade cooked turkey food for my IBD girl Gypsy for over a year now. I too have so many to feed that it's hard to imagine making homemade food for everyone, but I'm starting to consider it. I'll send it to you off list for you to look at. I'm thinking that you would have to do some sort of ground meat substitution for as many as you have. You could add chicken hearts and liver, (the organ meats are better for them than adding vita A and D). I actually have a meat grinder from when I was feeding a barf diet. Maybe we could watch for sales and freeze muscle meat in bulk. Did you see the links I sent to the list in answer to Marylyn's post? The very best of luck with your move and getting everyone into the house safely. I saw the recommendation, (on another list), of sneaking them into the house in open-ended boxes. What a good idea! We'll be waiting for your report of how the move went. Remember, deep breaths. Nina dede hicken wrote: Hey, MaryChristine, how about spaying and neutering Pet Food officials? OK, I can't believe I am thinking this, but does anyone on this list make their own food? I will have to go no mil tomorrow, but i am really considering this. I don't know if i will ever be able to completely do it...I have so many, but hey, it's worth a thought - Food fight? Enjoy some healthy debate in the Yahoo! Answers Food Drink QA.
Re: firefighters address
Yes, he had tried to open as many cages as he could. All the cats,and puppies were in that area. He had 2 puppies in his arms when the roof came down. They said he was the last man out I am still waiting to find out about Scooter, but probably won't know until Fri. Take care, Dede --- Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thank you so much for posting Scott's address. I can't remember if it was this list that I heard this, but someone said that this man had gone back into the fire to open cages and smash windows to give the cats a chance to escape. That's when he was injured. Bless him, bless him. I woke up this morning teary eyed thinking about his bravery. We should all send him our thanks and good wishes! Nina dede hicken wrote: Hey everyone, someone asked for the info on the firefighter who was burned in the Jax HS fire. His name is Capt. Scott Dennis Firestation 50 12701 Beach Blvd. Jacksonville, Fl. 32216. I am not certain of the zip. It is the same one fas for the Humane Soc. so i think it is correct. I will be signing off tonight as I have to pack the computer. I will be back online as soon as we are settled. Keep us in your thoughts on April 21-23rd, as we will be on the road and in NY by then. God bless, Dede When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the service of your God Mosiah 2:17 Need Mail bonding? Go to the Yahoo! Mail QA for great tips from Yahoo! Answers users. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=listsid=396546091 When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the service of your God Mosiah 2:17 Food fight? Enjoy some healthy debate in the Yahoo! Answers Food Drink QA. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=listsid=396545367
Re: sigh. don't forget to keep checking for recall news.
i just did a search for donald strombeck, and actually found a deal where you could get both the 3rd edition of pitcairn AND strombeck for less than what a lot of used bookstores have strombeck alone for. um, i think it was amazon.com-- i don't have a credit card, so i sent the link to a friend who loves me enough to order it for me so i don't remember the details? (but will probably make up food for her to take home whenever she visits!) On 4/11/07, Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Where did you find it? I don't mind checking the (one) grocery regularly for sales on meat (right now I am fixing sirloin steak for her--the last day they could market it so it is very affordable) but I am concerned about the needed add ins. I am putting Just Born and Transfer Factor Feline Complete into some of her food but..well, you know the concerns. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - *From:* TenHouseCats [EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Sent:* Wednesday, April 11, 2007 8:35 AM *Subject:* Re: sigh. don't forget to keep checking for recall news. i've got a copy of dr pitcairn's book (newest is the 3rd edition) on order, as well as a used copy of donald strombeck's. those are the two that my source highly recommends--but the strombeck one is a veterinary textbook and very pricey unless you look around. (it says it has 210 recipes in it, tho, so they won't get bored!) On 4/11/07, Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Pitcairn has a book out (available at Amazon.com) that has recipes as do several other people (same source). I've started doing a lot of cooking for Dixie Louise. She isn't really fond of the change but will get used to it. A can of mackerel runs about $1 a pound and chicken and turkey can be had on sale. Even beef gets thrown in. I started figuring the per pound cost of cat food vs the ingredients and I'm not sure there is a lot of difference. Then I have one cat and 3 ferals + whoever shows up). If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: dede hicken [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 7:12 AM Subject: Re: sigh. don't forget to keep checking for recall news. Hey, MaryChristine, how about spaying and neutering Pet Food officials? OK, I can't believe I am thinking this, but does anyone on this list make their own food? I will have to go no mil tomorrow, but i am really considering this. I don't know if i will ever be able to completely do it...I have so many, but hey, it's worth a thought --- TenHouseCats [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: www.howl911.com -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892 When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the service of your God Mosiah 2:17 Bored stiff? Loosen up... Download and play hundreds of games for free on Yahoo! Games. http://games.yahoo.com/games/front -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892 -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
Re: OK, I am freaking out
SSSE: Either find an AC or a volunteer group of ACs or do it yourself: Check in with Joey and find out what is going on. And, more importantly, what he wants. Listen with your heart, not your brain or to your vet unless you are lucky enough to have vets like mine who believe in quality, not quantity, of life for themselves as well as the critters they treat. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 9:12 AM Subject: OK, I am freaking out I took Joey in for his weekly vet visit. Dr Samon says his red blood cells are up a point and his white blood cells are down a little. However, he says he should be much closer to normal by now. He's doing Xrays to check for cancer and he's trying to talk me into a sonogram - I can't afford a sonogram period, I'm afraid. He's also concerned about the possibility of FELV. That's not what I would have expected in a 10 year old cat who has only been exposed to his companion 12 year old cat for his whole life. He also said something about his tongue..an ulcerated spot? Common with FELV? Can someone clue me in here? If he has FELV, I will flip out. I wonder if he had sequestered it and the stress of moving to my house triggered it He still seems to feel fine. Kelley -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Joey! http://rescuties.chipin.com/joey-autoimmune-hemolytic-anemia
Re: Nutro Max tainted...
Mix in high fat stuff--chicken fat, butter etc. Then decrease and work from there. The Wellness kitten formula is a good ground breaker. I have the same problem. Dixie and I are experimenting with home made and better processed foods. Don't forget to explain to your little friends why their diet is changing. They may not understand and think you are mad at them. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: cindy reasoner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 9:27 AM Subject: Re: Nutro Max tainted... I went Saturday and bought some cans of Wellness and Evangers for my cats. Of course they wouldn't eat the stuff. I want to feed them better foods but they won't eat it. Any ideas? Thanks, Cindy Reasoner --- Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone have the ingredients list for the varieties of Nutro Max that were third party tested? (Nutro Max gourmet classics: Chicken Cacciatore, California Chicken Supreme and Lamb Turkey Cutlets). I wish the article would have told us outright if they have wheat gluten in them, (thanks Chris for posting it). I'm staying away from anything with wheat gluten period, (recall list or no recall list). It kills me that the majority of media coverage is still quoting the FDA about 15 confirmed deaths. I understand the cya type of bureaucracy involved, but couldn't they give the public a hint about just how widespread this situation really is? I'm still coming across clients that haven't a clue about how dangerous it is to feed pet food without reading the label. Nina Chris wrote: It doesn't end---privately arranged testing shows melanite in canned Nutro Max... Aren't these companies doing any testing!!! http://origin.marinij.com/marin/ci_5631579 No need to miss a message. Get email on-the-go with Yahoo! Mail for Mobile. Get started. http://mobile.yahoo.com/mail
Re: Home made turkey recipe/more recipes
A lot of these stores will give refunds or in-store credit for the food. I have a bunch of cans of FF not on the recall list. However, the Kroger's here says it will give me in store credit for them even without a receipt. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 11:06 AM Subject: Re: Home made turkey recipe/more recipes I would love to have the recipe as well. Actually, at this point I would like to have all kinds of recipes pertaining to both cat and dog foods. I'm stopping canned foods. I can't take the aggravation anymore due to recalls. I have several cases and single cans of recalled foods that have been purchased from Safeway, Fred Meyer (Kroger), PetSmart, IAMS, Nutra, Hill's Diet and Walmart. These are different varieties of both cat and dog food. That is suppose to be so great and wonderful. My Ferals don't get anymore canned food either. I pray that my prior rescues that have been adopted out are safe since they were on this crap! I haven't heard from any so that is a good thing. Geez, if it's not one thing it's another. My household hasn't been the same since we made the move over a year ago. When will it stopped! Sorry my off my soapbox for now! Terrie Mohr-Forker TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS SIAMESE COLLIE RESCUE Donations accepted at: https://www.paypal.com/ http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescue http://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.html http://www.felineleukemia.org/ http://www.hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.html http://www.petloss.com/ -- See what's free at AOL.com.
Re: firefighters address
OK. I missed the address of the firefighter. Can I get you to repost the name and address? Thanks. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: dede hicken [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 1:51 PM Subject: Re: firefighters address Yes, he had tried to open as many cages as he could. All the cats,and puppies were in that area. He had 2 puppies in his arms when the roof came down. They said he was the last man out I am still waiting to find out about Scooter, but probably won't know until Fri. Take care, Dede --- Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thank you so much for posting Scott's address. I can't remember if it was this list that I heard this, but someone said that this man had gone back into the fire to open cages and smash windows to give the cats a chance to escape. That's when he was injured. Bless him, bless him. I woke up this morning teary eyed thinking about his bravery. We should all send him our thanks and good wishes! Nina dede hicken wrote: Hey everyone, someone asked for the info on the firefighter who was burned in the Jax HS fire. His name is Capt. Scott Dennis Firestation 50 12701 Beach Blvd. Jacksonville, Fl. 32216. I am not certain of the zip. It is the same one fas for the Humane Soc. so i think it is correct. I will be signing off tonight as I have to pack the computer. I will be back online as soon as we are settled. Keep us in your thoughts on April 21-23rd, as we will be on the road and in NY by then. God bless, Dede When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the service of your God Mosiah 2:17 Need Mail bonding? Go to the Yahoo! Mail QA for great tips from Yahoo! Answers users. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=listsid=396546091 When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the service of your God Mosiah 2:17 Food fight? Enjoy some healthy debate in the Yahoo! Answers Food Drink QA. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=listsid=396545367
Re: Home made turkey recipe/more recipes
Aunt Darla’s Irish Turkey In large bowl, combine dry ingredients: * Cooked Turkey: Minced 3 -4 cups (1.2 -1.5 lbs) * Med boiled Egg: 2 finely minced whole * Cooked turkey liver heart: minced (or 20,000 IU Vita A 400 IU Vita D) In small bowl, combine supplements: * Taurine: 4000 mg * Bone meal: 2 Tbls (or 1 tsp eggshell powder per lb/meat 1/3 per cup) * Vita B complex 50mg: ½ capsule * Vita E (dry) 400 IU: 1 capsule * Spirulina: 1 cap (380mg) may also use BioPreparation * Kyodophilus probiotic: 4 caps (or ¾ tsp Pet Dophilus) * Pure Rice Bran: 1-2 tsp * Colostrum: 1 tsp (optional) In med bowl, wisk liquid ingredients: * Turkey broth: 1 cup (add bottled water to turkey pan during cooking then remove fat) * Salmon oil: 2000mg (puncture gel cap) * Canned Pumpkin: 1-3 tsp * Nu-Cat by Vetri-Science mineral sup: ½ - 1 tsp * Pet Tinic: ¼ - ½ tsp (optional) * Plain Yogurt: 1 Tbls (optional) While constantly stiring dry ingredients, sprinkle in slowly combined supplements. When supplements are thoroughly mixed in, fold in liquid ingredients. Store in small air tight tupperware containers. tamara stickler wrote: Nina, Please post recipe *ON* list. I'd like to see it too. Thanks, Tamara
Re: Nutro Max tainted...
Yes they do. To make matter worst my Katie is diabetic so I have to feed her a low carb. food. She likes Fancy Feast but I am still nervous feeding it to her. Although, none of my crew have acted like they are sick (fingers crossed). I will try the Felidae and Artemis and see if they will eat it. I told my husband that I couln't believe they wouldn't eat this food that is suppose to be so much better than the ones you buy at the grocery store. I drove 45 minutes to get this food for them and they just snubbed their little noses at it. Thanks for the help. Cindy Reasoner --- Susan Tillman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 11 Apr 2007 07:27:15 -0700 (PDT) cindy reasoner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I went Saturday and bought some cans of Wellness and Evangers for my cats. Of course they wouldn't eat the stuff. I want to feed them better foods but they won't eat it. Any ideas? Cindy, My cat, Shane, doesn't like Wellness canned (any flavor), Innova Evo canned or Merrick canned. A couple of brands I've found that he likes (at the moment, anyway) are Felidae (I'm not crazy about feeding that because it contains grain) and Artemis. Of course, since cats have such variable tastes in foods, who knows if your crew will like these! These kitties keep us hopping, don't they? LOL Sue and Shane Jerome, AZ Be a PS3 game guru. Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Yahoo! Games. http://videogames.yahoo.com/platform?platform=120121
Re: Nutro Max tainted...
I am always surprised when I hear people say this. My guys devour Felidae the same as anything else. I did get some donated Felidae Platinum at one time, and while they were not quite as thrilled, they did eat it with no complaints. Felidae is a lot better than the food at the grocery store, but if they will not eat it it does little good! On 4/11/07, cindy reasoner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes they do. To make matter worst my Katie is diabetic so I have to feed her a low carb. food. She likes Fancy Feast but I am still nervous feeding it to her. Although, none of my crew have acted like they are sick (fingers crossed). I will try the Felidae and Artemis and see if they will eat it. I told my husband that I couln't believe they wouldn't eat this food that is suppose to be so much better than the ones you buy at the grocery store. I drove 45 minutes to get this food for them and they just snubbed their little noses at it. Thanks for the help. Cindy Reasoner --- Susan Tillman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 11 Apr 2007 07:27:15 -0700 (PDT) cindy reasoner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I went Saturday and bought some cans of Wellness and Evangers for my cats. Of course they wouldn't eat the stuff. I want to feed them better foods but they won't eat it. Any ideas? Cindy, My cat, Shane, doesn't like Wellness canned (any flavor), Innova Evo canned or Merrick canned. A couple of brands I've found that he likes (at the moment, anyway) are Felidae (I'm not crazy about feeding that because it contains grain) and Artemis. Of course, since cats have such variable tastes in foods, who knows if your crew will like these! These kitties keep us hopping, don't they? LOL Sue and Shane Jerome, AZ Be a PS3 game guru. Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Yahoo! Games. http://videogames.yahoo.com/platform?platform=120121 -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Joey! http://rescuties.chipin.com/joey-autoimmune-hemolytic-anemia
Re: Home made turkey recipe/more recipes
Thanks Nina! Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Aunt Darlas Irish Turkey In large bowl, combine dry ingredients: * Cooked Turkey: Minced 3 -4 cups (1.2 -1.5 lbs) * Med boiled Egg: 2 finely minced whole * Cooked turkey liver heart: minced (or 20,000 IU Vita A 400 IU Vita D) In small bowl, combine supplements: * Taurine: 4000 mg * Bone meal: 2 Tbls (or 1 tsp eggshell powder per lb/meat 1/3 per cup) * Vita B complex 50mg: ½ capsule * Vita E (dry) 400 IU: 1 capsule * Spirulina: 1 cap (380mg) may also use BioPreparation * Kyodophilus probiotic: 4 caps (or ¾ tsp Pet Dophilus) * Pure Rice Bran: 1-2 tsp * Colostrum: 1 tsp (optional) In med bowl, wisk liquid ingredients: * Turkey broth: 1 cup (add bottled water to turkey pan during cooking then remove fat) * Salmon oil: 2000mg (puncture gel cap) * Canned Pumpkin: 1-3 tsp * Nu-Cat by Vetri-Science mineral sup: ½ - 1 tsp * Pet Tinic: ¼ - ½ tsp (optional) * Plain Yogurt: 1 Tbls (optional) While constantly stiring dry ingredients, sprinkle in slowly combined supplements. When supplements are thoroughly mixed in, fold in liquid ingredients. Store in small air tight tupperware containers. tamara stickler wrote: Nina, Please post recipe *ON* list. I'd like to see it too. Thanks, Tamara - Don't get soaked. Take a quick peak at the forecast with theYahoo! Search weather shortcut.
RE: More info on Joey
I am not understanding -- what make you think that he can have all this wrong -- as all I see is low RBC and high WBC -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 11:29 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: More info on Joey Elizabeth..doesn't he look fineI don't understand how he can have all this wrong with him and still seem ok... On 4/11/07, elizabeth trent [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: awwwhe's such a sweetie. elizabeth On 4/11/07, Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: His spinal cord. He does not look so skinny, though. Here is his picture from 2 nights ago: http://rescuties.rescuegroups.org/images/dynapage/s689dpi7.jpg On 4/11/07, Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree also - if he is dehydrated, it will also impact the weight - how is he losing weight? What portion does he look skinny? On the spinal cord area? Or all over? From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] On Behalf Of elizabeth trent Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 11:15 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: More info on Joey I bet you are exactly right about why he isn't eating as much. Is he drinking plenty of water? Maybe he would like some of the fancy feast that is just in the plain 'pate' form?...or maybe some baby food? Bless his little heart. Please pat him on the head for me. elizabeth On 4/11/07, Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: He is eating some, but not as much as last week. The doctor says the lesion on his tongue could be from FELV? or it could be from me giving him the pills..if they are staying on his tongue too long... He says it is not an infection. If it does not go away he wants to biopsy it. I am thinking maybe when he eats it hurts his tongue, so he doesn't want to eat as much. I'm very disappointed he lost weight as he was steadily regaining. On 4/11/07, Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is he not eating at all? What is his eating habit right now? Not all cats will throw up, you really have to evaluate it individually as none of my cat I syringed fed never never threw up (some did not like me doing it..) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 9:03 AM To: felvtalk Subject: More info on Joey Joey has lost 3 ounces of the 7 ounces he previously regained. The vet says for me to not syringe feed him because if I force him to eat when he doesn't want to it will just make him throw up and make him sickly. So do yall have any suggestions for convincing him to eat? He seems to like all food equally. -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Joey! http://rescuties.chipin.com/joey-autoimmune-hemolytic-anemia -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Joey! http://rescuties.chipin.com/joey-autoimmune-hemolytic-anemia -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Joey! http://rescuties.chipin.com/joey-autoimmune-hemolytic-anemia -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Joey! http://rescuties.chipin.com/joey-autoimmune-hemolytic-anemia
RE: More info on Joey
He looks so cute!! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 11:26 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: More info on Joey His spinal cord. He does not look so skinny, though. Here is his picture from 2 nights ago: http://rescuties.rescuegroups.org/images/dynapage/s689dpi7.jpg On 4/11/07, Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree also - if he is dehydrated, it will also impact the weight - how is he losing weight? What portion does he look skinny? On the spinal cord area? Or all over? From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of elizabeth trent Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 11:15 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: More info on Joey I bet you are exactly right about why he isn't eating as much. Is he drinking plenty of water? Maybe he would like some of the fancy feast that is just in the plain 'pate' form?...or maybe some baby food? Bless his little heart. Please pat him on the head for me. elizabeth On 4/11/07, Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: He is eating some, but not as much as last week. The doctor says the lesion on his tongue could be from FELV? or it could be from me giving him the pills..if they are staying on his tongue too long... He says it is not an infection. If it does not go away he wants to biopsy it. I am thinking maybe when he eats it hurts his tongue, so he doesn't want to eat as much. I'm very disappointed he lost weight as he was steadily regaining. On 4/11/07, Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is he not eating at all? What is his eating habit right now? Not all cats will throw up, you really have to evaluate it individually as none of my cat I syringed fed never never threw up (some did not like me doing it..) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 9:03 AM To: felvtalk Subject: More info on Joey Joey has lost 3 ounces of the 7 ounces he previously regained. The vet says for me to not syringe feed him because if I force him to eat when he doesn't want to it will just make him throw up and make him sickly. So do yall have any suggestions for convincing him to eat? He seems to like all food equally. -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Joey! http://rescuties.chipin.com/joey-autoimmune-hemolytic-anemia -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Joey! http://rescuties.chipin.com/joey-autoimmune-hemolytic-anemia -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Joey! http://rescuties.chipin.com/joey-autoimmune-hemolytic-anemia
Purina cat foods
Hi guys, I have been checking everywhere and haven't found any purina cat foods that have been recalled.. I feed fancy feast to Inky and Hills k/d. Also, I feed cat chow and friskies to the outside kitties..I haven't seen anything on 9-lives either..Please let me know if this info is correct.. This is so scary..Hope all your kitties are doing well. Kerry, Inky, and Angel Bandy - Don't be flakey. Get Yahoo! Mail for Mobile and always stay connected to friends.
Re: Purina cat foods
*We have not seen anything on these foods either... but our rescue has pulled all the foods with wheat gluten until further information on what is causing this problem with the wheat gluten is. Looks like in the wet food... all the loaf type foods don't seem to have the wheat gluten in them... We're trying to be safe rather than sorry (since they're adding foods to the list daily).* *Leslie =^..^=* On 4/11/07, Kerry Roach [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi guys, I have been checking everywhere and haven't found any purina cat foods that have been recalled.. I feed fancy feast to Inky and Hills k/d. Also, I feed cat chow and friskies to the outside kitties..I haven't seen anything on 9-lives either..Please let me know if this info is correct.. This is so scary..Hope all your kitties are doing well. Kerry, Inky, and Angel Bandy -- Don't be flakey. Get Yahoo! Mail for Mobilehttp://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=43909/*http://mobile.yahoo.com/mailand always stay connectedhttp://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=43909/*http://mobile.yahoo.com/mailto friends. -- Leslie =^..^= To leave the world a better place - whether by a healthy child, a garden patch, or an improved social condition - that is to have succeeded. That only one life breathed easier because you lived - that is success. ---Ralph Waldo Emerson
suspicious email
Hi all, I have posted two cats (Ashley and Cassidy) on petfinder.org and Cassidy on the FeLV adoption site. I have to borrow a digital camera since my flash broke, then I'll have pictures of Nonie (the new arrival). I received this email twice today: I have a new email address! You can now email me at: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hey, i like to adopt this pet,get back with the last asking price - billy homes It seems kind of suspicious to me. I don't even know which pet he is talking about. He didn't list the name of the cat, or even the fact that it was a cat. Do you suppose this is one of those evil people who sells animals to research labs? I'm not even going to respond back. Furthermore, why the uk address? Hmmm.Any experience with this before? Melissa
Re: Purina cat foods
Kerry, I have been checking to see if there is any news regarding Purina. I haven't found anything on Fancy Feast, Friskies or Cat Chow. I talked to a lady with Purina on Saturday and she said that only the can Alpo dog food was being recalled along with Might Dog pouches. I can't remember the variety of the Alpo dog food. She told me there wouldn't be anymore of their food being recalled because they have checked and are sure none of their other sites used this wheat gluten. I hope she is right. Cindy Reasoner --- Kerry Roach [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi guys, I have been checking everywhere and haven't found any purina cat foods that have been recalled.. I feed fancy feast to Inky and Hills k/d. Also, I feed cat chow and friskies to the outside kitties..I haven't seen anything on 9-lives either..Please let me know if this info is correct.. This is so scary..Hope all your kitties are doing well. Kerry, Inky, and Angel Bandy - Don't be flakey. Get Yahoo! Mail for Mobile and always stay connected to friends. Never miss an email again! Yahoo! Toolbar alerts you the instant new Mail arrives. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/mail/
RE: Home made turkey recipe/more recipes
I think you should make a bunch and sell some to me..:) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nina Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 2:21 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Home made turkey recipe/more recipes Aunt Darla's Irish Turkey In large bowl, combine dry ingredients: * Cooked Turkey: Minced 3 -4 cups (1.2 -1.5 lbs) * Med boiled Egg: 2 finely minced whole * Cooked turkey liver heart: minced (or 20,000 IU Vita A 400 IU Vita D) In small bowl, combine supplements: * Taurine: 4000 mg * Bone meal: 2 Tbls (or 1 tsp eggshell powder per lb/meat 1/3 per cup) * Vita B complex 50mg: ½ capsule * Vita E (dry) 400 IU: 1 capsule * Spirulina: 1 cap (380mg) may also use BioPreparation * Kyodophilus probiotic: 4 caps (or ¾ tsp Pet Dophilus) * Pure Rice Bran: 1-2 tsp * Colostrum: 1 tsp (optional) In med bowl, wisk liquid ingredients: * Turkey broth: 1 cup (add bottled water to turkey pan during cooking then remove fat) * Salmon oil: 2000mg (puncture gel cap) * Canned Pumpkin: 1-3 tsp * Nu-Cat by Vetri-Science mineral sup: ½ - 1 tsp * Pet Tinic: ¼ - ½ tsp (optional) * Plain Yogurt: 1 Tbls (optional) While constantly stiring dry ingredients, sprinkle in slowly combined supplements. When supplements are thoroughly mixed in, fold in liquid ingredients. Store in small air tight tupperware containers. tamara stickler wrote: Nina, Please post recipe *ON* list. I'd like to see it too. Thanks, Tamara
Re: suspicious email
*Doesn't sound like anyone I'd adopt to!* *Leslie =^..^=* On 4/11/07, Melissa Lind [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, I have posted two cats (Ashley and Cassidy) on petfinder.org and Cassidy on the FeLV adoption site. I have to borrow a digital camera since my flash broke, then I'll have pictures of Nonie (the new arrival). I received this email twice today: I have a new email address! You can now email me at: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hey, i like to adopt this pet,get back with the last asking price - billy homes It seems kind of suspicious to me. I don't even know which pet he is talking about. He didn't list the name of the cat, or even the fact that it was a cat. Do you suppose this is one of those evil people who sells animals to research labs? I'm not even going to respond back. Furthermore, why the uk address? Hmmm…Any experience with this before? Melissa -- Leslie =^..^= To leave the world a better place - whether by a healthy child, a garden patch, or an improved social condition - that is to have succeeded. That only one life breathed easier because you lived - that is success. ---Ralph Waldo Emerson
Re: More info on Joey
Hi Hideyo, He for sure has anemia. He may have cancer - we cant' tell until I save $ for sonogram. He has an ulcerated area on his tongue that has my vet concerned. He is worried about the possibility of FELV.That is a lot of stuff for one cat to have wrong. The female buddy he came in with may have diabetes. He is keeping her overnight to get a urine sample. She is not eating at all. Most of her blood values are WNL. She's very sick, I know that. She's lost 7 lb in 2 month out of 17.2 lbs. She had URI so I treated that and she got better from that..but she kept not eating. I syringe her but sometimes she throws it back up. On 4/11/07, Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: He looks so cute!! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 11:26 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: More info on Joey His spinal cord. He does not look so skinny, though. Here is his picture from 2 nights ago: http://rescuties.rescuegroups.org/images/dynapage/s689dpi7.jpg On 4/11/07, Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree also - if he is dehydrated, it will also impact the weight - how is he losing weight? What portion does he look skinny? On the spinal cord area? Or all over? From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of elizabeth trent Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 11:15 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: More info on Joey I bet you are exactly right about why he isn't eating as much. Is he drinking plenty of water? Maybe he would like some of the fancy feast that is just in the plain 'pate' form?...or maybe some baby food? Bless his little heart. Please pat him on the head for me. elizabeth On 4/11/07, Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: He is eating some, but not as much as last week. The doctor says the lesion on his tongue could be from FELV? or it could be from me giving him the pills..if they are staying on his tongue too long... He says it is not an infection. If it does not go away he wants to biopsy it. I am thinking maybe when he eats it hurts his tongue, so he doesn't want to eat as much. I'm very disappointed he lost weight as he was steadily regaining. On 4/11/07, Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is he not eating at all? What is his eating habit right now? Not all cats will throw up, you really have to evaluate it individually as none of my cat I syringed fed never never threw up (some did not like me doing it..) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 9:03 AM To: felvtalk Subject: More info on Joey Joey has lost 3 ounces of the 7 ounces he previously regained. The vet says for me to not syringe feed him because if I force him to eat when he doesn't want to it will just make him throw up and make him sickly. So do yall have any suggestions for convincing him to eat? He seems to like all food equally. -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Joey! http://rescuties.chipin.com/joey-autoimmune-hemolytic-anemia -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Joey! http://rescuties.chipin.com/joey-autoimmune-hemolytic-anemia -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Joey! http://rescuties.chipin.com/joey-autoimmune-hemolytic-anemia -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Joey! http://rescuties.chipin.com/joey-autoimmune-hemolytic-anemia
Re: suspicious email
This is the same kind of thing that goes on on Craig's list. A variation of the Nigerian scams. They send you a large check (way over the price of the pet). After it clears you are supposed to send the difference back. Then the check is found to be bogus and you owe the bank the money. They probably mass email people. beth Melissa Lind [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, I have posted two cats (Ashley and Cassidy) on petfinder.org and Cassidy on the FeLV adoption site. I have to borrow a digital camera since my flash broke, then Ill have pictures of Nonie (the new arrival). I received this email twice today: I have a new email address! You can now email me at: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hey, i like to adopt this pet,get back with the last asking price - billy homes It seems kind of suspicious to me. I dont even know which pet he is talking about. He didnt list the name of the cat, or even the fact that it was a cat. Do you suppose this is one of those evil people who sells animals to research labs? Im not even going to respond back. Furthermore, why the uk address? Hmmm Any experience with this before? Melissa - Sucker-punch spam with award-winning protection. Try the free Yahoo! Mail Beta.
RE: suspicious email
This is a scam. Apparently the way this works is that the guy sends you a bogus money order for the transport of the animal. Then he tells you that he mistakenly sent you too much so could you just please send him a check for the difference. Once you send the check, you never hear from anybody Christiane Biagi 914-632-4672 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Katrina Animal Reunion Team (KART) www.findkpets.org Join Us Help Reunite Katrina-displaced Families with their Animals -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Melissa Lind Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 4:24 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: suspicious email Hi all, I have posted two cats (Ashley and Cassidy) on petfinder.org and Cassidy on the FeLV adoption site. I have to borrow a digital camera since my flash broke, then I'll have pictures of Nonie (the new arrival). I received this email twice today: I have a new email address! You can now email me at: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hey, i like to adopt this pet,get back with the last asking price - billy homes It seems kind of suspicious to me. I don't even know which pet he is talking about. He didn't list the name of the cat, or even the fact that it was a cat. Do you suppose this is one of those evil people who sells animals to research labs? I'm not even going to respond back. Furthermore, why the uk address? Hmmm.Any experience with this before? Melissa
RE: More info on Joey
I am sorry, I did not minimize your concerns by any means --- since my household is always lots of kaos, my standard is probably off -- Lots of my kitties have had anemia problems and it can be a life threatening, I lost 6 kitties to anemia during the past several months already, so I know that it's not to be taken light.. but I also wanted you to remember his clinical behavioral conditions as it's most important thing of all to consider. I really do suggest thought, Kelley, have the blood work done for everything, and also female buddy kitty to run all the blood work as well -- urine samples will tell lots of stuff, but not as much as the blood work can tell and to what degree (i.e. kidney problems.. etc) -- please keep me posted. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 3:31 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: More info on Joey Hi Hideyo, He for sure has anemia. He may have cancer - we cant' tell until I save $ for sonogram. He has an ulcerated area on his tongue that has my vet concerned. He is worried about the possibility of FELV.That is a lot of stuff for one cat to have wrong. The female buddy he came in with may have diabetes. He is keeping her overnight to get a urine sample. She is not eating at all. Most of her blood values are WNL. She's very sick, I know that. She's lost 7 lb in 2 month out of 17.2 lbs. She had URI so I treated that and she got better from that..but she kept not eating. I syringe her but sometimes she throws it back up. On 4/11/07, Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: He looks so cute!! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 11:26 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: More info on Joey His spinal cord. He does not look so skinny, though. Here is his picture from 2 nights ago: http://rescuties.rescuegroups.org/images/dynapage/s689dpi7.jpg On 4/11/07, Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree also - if he is dehydrated, it will also impact the weight - how is he losing weight? What portion does he look skinny? On the spinal cord area? Or all over? From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of elizabeth trent Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 11:15 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: More info on Joey I bet you are exactly right about why he isn't eating as much. Is he drinking plenty of water? Maybe he would like some of the fancy feast that is just in the plain 'pate' form?...or maybe some baby food? Bless his little heart. Please pat him on the head for me. elizabeth On 4/11/07, Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: He is eating some, but not as much as last week. The doctor says the lesion on his tongue could be from FELV? or it could be from me giving him the pills..if they are staying on his tongue too long... He says it is not an infection. If it does not go away he wants to biopsy it. I am thinking maybe when he eats it hurts his tongue, so he doesn't want to eat as much. I'm very disappointed he lost weight as he was steadily regaining. On 4/11/07, Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is he not eating at all? What is his eating habit right now? Not all cats will throw up, you really have to evaluate it individually as none of my cat I syringed fed never never threw up (some did not like me doing it..) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 9:03 AM To: felvtalk Subject: More info on Joey Joey has lost 3 ounces of the 7 ounces he previously regained. The vet says for me to not syringe feed him because if I force him to eat when he doesn't want to it will just make him throw up and make him sickly. So do yall have any suggestions for convincing him to eat? He seems to like all food equally. -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Joey! http://rescuties.chipin.com/joey-autoimmune-hemolytic-anemia -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Joey! http://rescuties.chipin.com/joey-autoimmune-hemolytic-anemia -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Joey!
RE: more added to the list--including cat dog treats
Prayers going out for Ginger! You're not stupid! Bless you for all the work you go to for these babies! Melissa _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 5:00 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: more added to the list--including cat dog treats Well now I am in a position or whatever you call it w/ Sunshine Mills They make Ol Roy dog biscuits..And are ONLY recalling the 10 lb. bags.!!! And, I know, Ol Roy is cr*p, but I buy the 5 lb. bags 'cause my veggie dog can only eat the green ones, and they always have an excess of them in bags And, trust me, I've tried almost all the supposedly good veg. brands. NONE of my dogs would eat them!!! So, w/ the non-green cookies, I do give them to my other 3.. And, to me, (2) 5 lbs. = (1) 10 lb. Right? So whose to say they all don't come from the same batch? Makes sense to me And, the CS person at Sunshine gave me a lame explanation. Made NO sense at all. http://cdn-cf.aol.com/se/smi/0201e0309e/11 And, now my Ginger has not been right. She goes to vet tomorrow. (Fingers crossed, prayers needed) I can't believe how stupid I've been Me, ever so careful, cooking for critters to avoid problems, and I bought Ol Roy!!! Just needed to vent... (Also wondering if poor Bart got so deathly ill so fast because of his wet food - Special Kitty. I know, lousy stuff too, but me being on such a limited income, tons of bills, gave it to him 'cause he loved wet food!!! And, I was feeding Innova Dry DUMB,DUMB,DUMB! ) It's at the point where I'm going to ALL home cooked foods, for cats dogs. Don't trust ANYTHING!!!) Hugs, Patti her gang http://cdn-cf.aol.com/se/clip_art/gstres/anmls/cat _ See what's free at AOL.com http://www.aol.com?ncid=AOLAOF0002000503 .
Re: More info on Joey
Kelley, I just got a new appetite stimulant from the vets, Fred has lost a pound in 2 weeks. He is eating but not nearly enough, he is getting another feeding tube tenatively on Friday. But she asked me to try this appetite stimulant first, it is dosed an 1/8 to a 1/4 pill every 3 days. She wanted me to start Fred with a 1/4 but after reading some of the side effects I decided to try a 1/8 first. Within 20 minutes Fred was looking at me and trying to lead me into the kitchen, I put food down and he ate pretty good, better than he has in quite a while. I am still going to get the feeding tube because he is horrendous with getting meds and there are a few he HAS TO HAVE, most importantly hisw blood pressure meds and potassium and binders. He is just impossible to pill and we are at war when it comes to giving him meds so he has only been getting the BP and antibiotic for the last 2 weeks. The appetite stimulant is called Mirtazapine, here is one page where I read some things about it. I hope it doesn't hurt him to have it the one time, once he gets the feeding tube I won't need it. It's about 30 dollars for a 36 day supply at 1/4 pill every 3 days or a 72 day supply at an 1/8 of a pill every 3 days. This is what I paid the vet. http://www.felinecrf.org/persuading_cat_to_eat.htm#mirtazapine -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candlelight Service http://bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://HostDesign4U.com BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] http://bmk.bemikitties.com
RE: suspicious email
I'm glad to hear that many of you recognized this earlier! My sis-in-law was a target for the Nigerian scam when they were trying to sell their house. Luckily a realtor caught it before they accepted a phony check! I can't believe they're doing it with pets! Crazy! I'll watch out for any more of these. Melissa _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 4:36 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: suspicious email This is a scam. Apparently the way this works is that the guy sends you a bogus money order for the transport of the animal. Then he tells you that he mistakenly sent you too much so could you just please send him a check for the difference. Once you send the check, you never hear from anybody Christiane Biagi 914-632-4672 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Katrina Animal Reunion Team (KART) www.findkpets.org Join Us Help Reunite Katrina-displaced Families with their Animals -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Melissa Lind Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 4:24 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: suspicious email Hi all, I have posted two cats (Ashley and Cassidy) on petfinder.org and Cassidy on the FeLV adoption site. I have to borrow a digital camera since my flash broke, then I'll have pictures of Nonie (the new arrival). I received this email twice today: I have a new email address! You can now email me at: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hey, i like to adopt this pet,get back with the last asking price - billy homes It seems kind of suspicious to me. I don't even know which pet he is talking about. He didn't list the name of the cat, or even the fact that it was a cat. Do you suppose this is one of those evil people who sells animals to research labs? I'm not even going to respond back. Furthermore, why the uk address? Hmmm.Any experience with this before? Melissa
RE: More info on Joey
Do you have bilburin values? Did THL mean TBL? His TP/Gloub is very high? Did he get tested for the corona virus titers? I am a bit concerned that this mimics some of the blood work from the kitties I lost to FIP (anemia, high globulin and low ALB and high AMYL), but he is not a young kitty -but I would ask for the corona virus titer just to see what it is though there is no definitive answers on it either -- I have lots of kitties with high corona titer who don't have FIP, and lower titer and have had FIP.. but trying to eliminate what we can eliminate. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 3:49 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: More info on Joey Ok, here is his other bloodwork. ALB 2.5 ALKP 25 ALT 43 AMYL 1743 BUN 48 CA 9.8 CHOL 209 CREA 1.5 GLOB 7.5 GLU 146 PHOS 5.4 THL 0.7 TP 10.1 I had Blood Chemistry and CBC on his female buddy done...I have the result in the car but they are inconclusive. So we are waiting for urine to see if it is diabetes or not. On 4/11/07, Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am sorry, I did not minimize your concerns by any means --- since my household is always lots of kaos, my standard is probably off -- Lots of my kitties have had anemia problems and it can be a life threatening, I lost 6 kitties to anemia during the past several months already, so I know that it's not to be taken light.. but I also wanted you to remember his clinical behavioral conditions as it's most important thing of all to consider. I really do suggest thought, Kelley, have the blood work done for everything, and also female buddy kitty to run all the blood work as well -- urine samples will tell lots of stuff, but not as much as the blood work can tell and to what degree (i.e. kidney problems.. etc) -- please keep me posted. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 3:31 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: More info on Joey Hi Hideyo, He for sure has anemia. He may have cancer - we cant' tell until I save $ for sonogram. He has an ulcerated area on his tongue that has my vet concerned. He is worried about the possibility of FELV.That is a lot of stuff for one cat to have wrong. The female buddy he came in with may have diabetes. He is keeping her overnight to get a urine sample. She is not eating at all. Most of her blood values are WNL. She's very sick, I know that. She's lost 7 lb in 2 month out of 17.2 lbs. She had URI so I treated that and she got better from that..but she kept not eating. I syringe her but sometimes she throws it back up. On 4/11/07, Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: He looks so cute!! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 11:26 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: More info on Joey His spinal cord. He does not look so skinny, though. Here is his picture from 2 nights ago: http://rescuties.rescuegroups.org/images/dynapage/s689dpi7.jpg On 4/11/07, Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree also - if he is dehydrated, it will also impact the weight - how is he losing weight? What portion does he look skinny? On the spinal cord area? Or all over? From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of elizabeth trent Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 11:15 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: More info on Joey I bet you are exactly right about why he isn't eating as much. Is he drinking plenty of water? Maybe he would like some of the fancy feast that is just in the plain 'pate' form?...or maybe some baby food? Bless his little heart. Please pat him on the head for me. elizabeth On 4/11/07, Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: He is eating some, but not as much as last week. The doctor says the lesion on his tongue could be from FELV? or it could be from me giving him the pills..if they are staying on his tongue too long... He says it is not an infection. If it does not go away he wants to biopsy it. I am thinking maybe when he eats it hurts his tongue, so he doesn't want to eat as much. I'm very disappointed he lost weight as he was steadily regaining. On 4/11/07, Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is he not eating at all? What is his eating habit right now? Not all cats will throw up, you really have to evaluate it individually as none of my cat I syringed fed never never threw up (some did not like me doing it..) -Original Message- From:
RE: more added to the list--including cat dog treats
To Patti, Do not feel guilty. Sounds to me like you do great by your pets. At least you give to the amount you are able. I doubt it matters on brands anyhow. Seems to me all the companies are going to buy cheaper ingredients to make a higher profit margin. We were feeding our dogs Prime Cuts Alpo. All you can do right now is not feed them any more. It’s not just the pet food industry though it’s everything. Take for example: 5 years ago my mom died of lymphoma cancer. She didn’t smoke, drink, and was not over weight. They say it comes from chemicals they use on fields (crops of corn, soybeans, wheat, etc…) and such. The farmers are aware of it, the government is aware, but they still all spray the crops, people spray their yards, etc…. There are dangers to pets and people everywhere and we just have to try to do the best we can. Unfortunately we can not always protect our loved ones from dangers. We can only try. Debbie -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 6:00 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: more added to the list--including cat dog treats Well now I am in a position or whatever you call it w/ Sunshine Mills They make Ol Roy dog biscuits..And are ONLY recalling the 10 lb. bags.!!! And, I know, Ol Roy is cr*p, but I buy the 5 lb. bags 'cause my veggie dog can only eat the green ones, and they always have an excess of them in bags And, trust me, I've tried almost all the supposedly good veg. brands. NONE of my dogs would eat them!!! So, w/ the non-green cookies, I do give them to my other 3.. And, to me, (2) 5 lbs. = (1) 10 lb. Right? So whose to say they all don't come from the same batch? Makes sense to me And, the CS person at Sunshine gave me a lame explanation. Made NO sense at all. HYPERLINK http://cdn-cf.aol.com/se/smi/0201e0309e/11; And, now my Ginger has not been right. She goes to vet tomorrow. (Fingers crossed, prayers needed) I can't believe how stupid I've been Me, ever so careful, cooking for critters to avoid problems, and I bought Ol Roy!!! Just needed to vent... (Also wondering if poor Bart got so deathly ill so fast because of his wet food - Special Kitty. I know, lousy stuff too, but me being on such a limited income, tons of bills, gave it to him 'cause he loved wet food!!! And, I was feeding Innova Dry DUMB,DUMB,DUMB! ) It's at the point where I'm going to ALL home cooked foods, for cats dogs. Don't trust ANYTHING!!!) Hugs, Patti her gang HYPERLINK http://cdn-cf.aol.com/se/clip_art/gstres/anmls/cat; _ See what's free at HYPERLINK http://www.aol.com?ncid=AOLAOF0002000503; \nAOL.com. -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.26/746 - Release Date: 4/4/2007 1:09 PM -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.26/746 - Release Date: 4/4/2007 1:09 PM
RE: More info on Joey
You might also want to start giving him a sub Q fluid (may be every other day - like 100 cc??) as some of his kidney values are high normal range - -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hideyo Yamamoto Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 4:10 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: More info on Joey Do you have bilburin values? Did THL mean TBL? His TP/Gloub is very high? Did he get tested for the corona virus titers? I am a bit concerned that this mimics some of the blood work from the kitties I lost to FIP (anemia, high globulin and low ALB and high AMYL), but he is not a young kitty -but I would ask for the corona virus titer just to see what it is though there is no definitive answers on it either -- I have lots of kitties with high corona titer who don't have FIP, and lower titer and have had FIP.. but trying to eliminate what we can eliminate. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 3:49 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: More info on Joey Ok, here is his other bloodwork. ALB 2.5 ALKP 25 ALT 43 AMYL 1743 BUN 48 CA 9.8 CHOL 209 CREA 1.5 GLOB 7.5 GLU 146 PHOS 5.4 THL 0.7 TP 10.1 I had Blood Chemistry and CBC on his female buddy done...I have the result in the car but they are inconclusive. So we are waiting for urine to see if it is diabetes or not. On 4/11/07, Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am sorry, I did not minimize your concerns by any means --- since my household is always lots of kaos, my standard is probably off -- Lots of my kitties have had anemia problems and it can be a life threatening, I lost 6 kitties to anemia during the past several months already, so I know that it's not to be taken light.. but I also wanted you to remember his clinical behavioral conditions as it's most important thing of all to consider. I really do suggest thought, Kelley, have the blood work done for everything, and also female buddy kitty to run all the blood work as well -- urine samples will tell lots of stuff, but not as much as the blood work can tell and to what degree (i.e. kidney problems.. etc) -- please keep me posted. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 3:31 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: More info on Joey Hi Hideyo, He for sure has anemia. He may have cancer - we cant' tell until I save $ for sonogram. He has an ulcerated area on his tongue that has my vet concerned. He is worried about the possibility of FELV.That is a lot of stuff for one cat to have wrong. The female buddy he came in with may have diabetes. He is keeping her overnight to get a urine sample. She is not eating at all. Most of her blood values are WNL. She's very sick, I know that. She's lost 7 lb in 2 month out of 17.2 lbs. She had URI so I treated that and she got better from that..but she kept not eating. I syringe her but sometimes she throws it back up. On 4/11/07, Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: He looks so cute!! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 11:26 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: More info on Joey His spinal cord. He does not look so skinny, though. Here is his picture from 2 nights ago: http://rescuties.rescuegroups.org/images/dynapage/s689dpi7.jpg On 4/11/07, Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree also - if he is dehydrated, it will also impact the weight - how is he losing weight? What portion does he look skinny? On the spinal cord area? Or all over? From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of elizabeth trent Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 11:15 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: More info on Joey I bet you are exactly right about why he isn't eating as much. Is he drinking plenty of water? Maybe he would like some of the fancy feast that is just in the plain 'pate' form?...or maybe some baby food? Bless his little heart. Please pat him on the head for me. elizabeth On 4/11/07, Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: He is eating some, but not as much as last week. The doctor says the lesion on his tongue could be from FELV? or it could be from me giving him the pills..if they are staying on his tongue too long... He says it is not an infection. If it does not go away he wants to biopsy it. I am thinking maybe when he eats it hurts his tongue, so he doesn't want to eat as much. I'm very disappointed he lost weight as he was steadily regaining.
Re: Joey - mass in stomach - cancer?
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RE: More info on Joey
Could you post your female kitty's blood work anyway? Your vet may not have much experience with FIP if he did not say anything about it by looking at the blood work - and lots of vets don't know how to look at the blood result for FIP illness. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hideyo Yamamoto Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 4:15 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: More info on Joey You might also want to start giving him a sub Q fluid (may be every other day - like 100 cc??) as some of his kidney values are high normal range - -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hideyo Yamamoto Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 4:10 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: More info on Joey Do you have bilburin values? Did THL mean TBL? His TP/Gloub is very high? Did he get tested for the corona virus titers? I am a bit concerned that this mimics some of the blood work from the kitties I lost to FIP (anemia, high globulin and low ALB and high AMYL), but he is not a young kitty -but I would ask for the corona virus titer just to see what it is though there is no definitive answers on it either -- I have lots of kitties with high corona titer who don't have FIP, and lower titer and have had FIP.. but trying to eliminate what we can eliminate. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 3:49 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: More info on Joey Ok, here is his other bloodwork. ALB 2.5 ALKP 25 ALT 43 AMYL 1743 BUN 48 CA 9.8 CHOL 209 CREA 1.5 GLOB 7.5 GLU 146 PHOS 5.4 THL 0.7 TP 10.1 I had Blood Chemistry and CBC on his female buddy done...I have the result in the car but they are inconclusive. So we are waiting for urine to see if it is diabetes or not. On 4/11/07, Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am sorry, I did not minimize your concerns by any means --- since my household is always lots of kaos, my standard is probably off -- Lots of my kitties have had anemia problems and it can be a life threatening, I lost 6 kitties to anemia during the past several months already, so I know that it's not to be taken light.. but I also wanted you to remember his clinical behavioral conditions as it's most important thing of all to consider. I really do suggest thought, Kelley, have the blood work done for everything, and also female buddy kitty to run all the blood work as well -- urine samples will tell lots of stuff, but not as much as the blood work can tell and to what degree (i.e. kidney problems.. etc) -- please keep me posted. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 3:31 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: More info on Joey Hi Hideyo, He for sure has anemia. He may have cancer - we cant' tell until I save $ for sonogram. He has an ulcerated area on his tongue that has my vet concerned. He is worried about the possibility of FELV.That is a lot of stuff for one cat to have wrong. The female buddy he came in with may have diabetes. He is keeping her overnight to get a urine sample. She is not eating at all. Most of her blood values are WNL. She's very sick, I know that. She's lost 7 lb in 2 month out of 17.2 lbs. She had URI so I treated that and she got better from that..but she kept not eating. I syringe her but sometimes she throws it back up. On 4/11/07, Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: He looks so cute!! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 11:26 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: More info on Joey His spinal cord. He does not look so skinny, though. Here is his picture from 2 nights ago: http://rescuties.rescuegroups.org/images/dynapage/s689dpi7.jpg On 4/11/07, Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree also - if he is dehydrated, it will also impact the weight - how is he losing weight? What portion does he look skinny? On the spinal cord area? Or all over? From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of elizabeth trent Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 11:15 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: More info on Joey I bet you are exactly right about why he isn't eating as much. Is he drinking plenty of water? Maybe he would like some of the fancy feast that is just in the plain 'pate' form?...or maybe some baby food? Bless his little heart. Please pat him on the head for me. elizabeth On 4/11/07, Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: He is eating
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Re: More info on Joey
Yes, Kitty's bloodwork (they called her Kitty for 12 years so who am I to change it). ALB 3.0 ALKP 294 ALT 78 AMYL 849 BUN 39 CA 10.6 CHOL 155 CREA 1.1 GLOB 6.0 GLU 171 PHOS 5.6 TBIL 0.3 TP 9.0 He has written hypothyroidism, chronic hepatitis, lipiodosis, and some other stuf I can't read. WBC 16.09 LYM 0.93 MONO 2.39 NEU 12.28 EOS 0.40 BASO 0.10 HCT 35.4 RBC 7.43 HGB 14.7 HGH 14.7 RETIC 26.9 MCV 47.6 RDW 20.1 MCH 19.79 PLT 517 MPV 11.26 PCT 0.6 PDW 23.0 On 4/11/07, Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Could you post your female kitty's blood work anyway? Your vet may not have much experience with FIP if he did not say anything about it by looking at the blood work - and lots of vets don't know how to look at the blood result for FIP illness. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hideyo Yamamoto Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 4:15 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: More info on Joey You might also want to start giving him a sub Q fluid (may be every other day - like 100 cc??) as some of his kidney values are high normal range - -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hideyo Yamamoto Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 4:10 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: More info on Joey Do you have bilburin values? Did THL mean TBL? His TP/Gloub is very high? Did he get tested for the corona virus titers? I am a bit concerned that this mimics some of the blood work from the kitties I lost to FIP (anemia, high globulin and low ALB and high AMYL), but he is not a young kitty -but I would ask for the corona virus titer just to see what it is though there is no definitive answers on it either -- I have lots of kitties with high corona titer who don't have FIP, and lower titer and have had FIP.. but trying to eliminate what we can eliminate. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 3:49 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: More info on Joey Ok, here is his other bloodwork. ALB 2.5 ALKP 25 ALT 43 AMYL 1743 BUN 48 CA 9.8 CHOL 209 CREA 1.5 GLOB 7.5 GLU 146 PHOS 5.4 THL 0.7 TP 10.1 I had Blood Chemistry and CBC on his female buddy done...I have the result in the car but they are inconclusive. So we are waiting for urine to see if it is diabetes or not. On 4/11/07, Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am sorry, I did not minimize your concerns by any means --- since my household is always lots of kaos, my standard is probably off -- Lots of my kitties have had anemia problems and it can be a life threatening, I lost 6 kitties to anemia during the past several months already, so I know that it's not to be taken light.. but I also wanted you to remember his clinical behavioral conditions as it's most important thing of all to consider. I really do suggest thought, Kelley, have the blood work done for everything, and also female buddy kitty to run all the blood work as well -- urine samples will tell lots of stuff, but not as much as the blood work can tell and to what degree (i.e. kidney problems.. etc) -- please keep me posted. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 3:31 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: More info on Joey Hi Hideyo, He for sure has anemia. He may have cancer - we cant' tell until I save $ for sonogram. He has an ulcerated area on his tongue that has my vet concerned. He is worried about the possibility of FELV.That is a lot of stuff for one cat to have wrong. The female buddy he came in with may have diabetes. He is keeping her overnight to get a urine sample. She is not eating at all. Most of her blood values are WNL. She's very sick, I know that. She's lost 7 lb in 2 month out of 17.2 lbs. She had URI so I treated that and she got better from that..but she kept not eating. I syringe her but sometimes she throws it back up. On 4/11/07, Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: He looks so cute!! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 11:26 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: More info on Joey His spinal cord. He does not look so skinny, though. Here is his picture from 2 nights ago: http://rescuties.rescuegroups.org/images/dynapage/s689dpi7.jpg On 4/11/07, Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree also - if he is dehydrated, it will also impact the weight - how is he losing weight? What portion does he look skinny? On the spinal cord area? Or all over? From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of elizabeth trent Sent:
Need both Cat/Dog Recipes
Hi all, If you guys have dog recipes can you send me off the list? As well as cat food recipes? I have a friend that a purebred German shepherd that was also a beautiful show-dog die last week due to food recalls. He had great bloodlines. Was going to get one of his pups this fall as a birthday present. That won't be happening of course. Today, was the first day I seen her she was a mess and devastated by this. She has ask me for some recipes. I told her I would compile some together for her for the other shepherds would get back to her on this. Hugs to all... Thanks so much! Terrie Mohr-Forker TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS SIAMESE COLLIE RESCUE Donations accepted at: _https://www.paypal.com/_ (https://www.paypal.com/) _http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/_ (http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/) _http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescue_ (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescue) _http://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.html_ (http://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.html) _http://www.felineleukemia.org/_ (http://www.felineleukemia.org/) _http://www.hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.html_ (http://www.hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.html) _http://www.petloss.com/_ (http://www.petloss.com/) ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.
Re: more added to the list--including cat dog treats
Don't kick yourself for feeding animals. This is not your fault. We do the best we can do with what we know at the time. And Bart really loves youhe may come back as a housecat now that he knows some people can love instead of hurt. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 5:00 PM Subject: Re: more added to the list--including cat dog treats Well now I am in a position or whatever you call it w/ Sunshine Mills They make Ol Roy dog biscuits..And are ONLY recalling the 10 lb. bags.!!! And, I know, Ol Roy is cr*p, but I buy the 5 lb. bags 'cause my veggie dog can only eat the green ones, and they always have an excess of them in bags And, trust me, I've tried almost all the supposedly good veg. brands. NONE of my dogs would eat them!!! So, w/ the non-green cookies, I do give them to my other 3.. And, to me, (2) 5 lbs. = (1) 10 lb. Right? So whose to say they all don't come from the same batch? Makes sense to me And, the CS person at Sunshine gave me a lame explanation. Made NO sense at all. And, now my Ginger has not been right. She goes to vet tomorrow. (Fingers crossed, prayers needed) I can't believe how stupid I've been Me, ever so careful, cooking for critters to avoid problems, and I bought Ol Roy!!! Just needed to vent... (Also wondering if poor Bart got so deathly ill so fast because of his wet food - Special Kitty. I know, lousy stuff too, but me being on such a limited income, tons of bills, gave it to him 'cause he loved wet food!!! And, I was feeding Innova Dry DUMB,DUMB,DUMB! ) It's at the point where I'm going to ALL home cooked foods, for cats dogs. Don't trust ANYTHING!!!) Hugs, Patti her gang -- See what's free at AOL.com.
My apology: Cornell Scientists Find A Second Contaminant in Pet Food ...
corrected link _http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news04/2007/04/pet_food_recall20.html_ (http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news04/2007/04/pet_food_recall20.html) Terrie Mohr-Forker TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS SIAMESE COLLIE RESCUE Donations accepted at: _https://www.paypal.com/_ (https://www.paypal.com/) _http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/_ (http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/) _http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescue_ (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescue) _http://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.html_ (http://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.html) _http://www.felineleukemia.org/_ (http://www.felineleukemia.org/) _http://www.hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.html_ (http://www.hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.html) _http://www.petloss.com/_ (http://www.petloss.com/) ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.
Re: My apology: Cornell Scientists Find A Second Contaminant in Pet Food ...
Thank you, MCthis is infuriating. elizabeth On 4/11/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: *corrected link* ** *http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news04/2007/04/pet_food_recall20.html* *Terrie Mohr-Forker TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS SIAMESE COLLIE RESCUE Donations accepted at: https://www.paypal.com/* http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescue http://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.html http://www.felineleukemia.org/ http://www.hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.html http://www.petloss.com/ -- See what's free at AOL.com http://www.aol.com/?ncid=AOLAOF0002000503.
Re: suspicious email
Do you live in the uk? His email addy is from there. :) Wendy --- Melissa Lind [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, I have posted two cats (Ashley and Cassidy) on petfinder.org and Cassidy on the FeLV adoption site. I have to borrow a digital camera since my flash broke, then I'll have pictures of Nonie (the new arrival). I received this email twice today: I have a new email address! You can now email me at: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hey, i like to adopt this pet,get back with the last asking price - billy homes It seems kind of suspicious to me. I don't even know which pet he is talking about. He didn't list the name of the cat, or even the fact that it was a cat. Do you suppose this is one of those evil people who sells animals to research labs? I'm not even going to respond back. Furthermore, why the uk address? Hmmm.Any experience with this before? Melissa Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world: Indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ Don't be flakey. Get Yahoo! Mail for Mobile and always stay connected to friends.http://mobile.yahoo.com/mail
RE: My apology: Cornell Scientists Find A Second Contaminant in PetFood ...
Which food is it? Sorry, I can't open the link somehow-- _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of elizabeth trent Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 6:54 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: My apology: Cornell Scientists Find A Second Contaminant in PetFood ... Thank you, MCthis is infuriating. elizabeth On 4/11/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: corrected link http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news04/2007/04/pet_food_recall20.html Terrie Mohr-Forker TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS SIAMESE COLLIE RESCUE Donations accepted at: https://www.paypal.com/ http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescue http://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.html http://www.felineleukemia.org/ http://www.hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.html http://www.petloss.com/ _ See what's free at AOL.com http://www.aol.com/?ncid=AOLAOF0002000503 .
RE: More info on Joey
I think it's her liver -- is she on IV? I would ask the vet to give her IV and flush it out and it's very very important to you syringe feed her --it might be the beginning of fatty liver disease as she was a pretty good size kitty before she lost weight.. Get SAMe from the health food store right away and give 100 mg or so to her every day and also milk thisle (herb) - I use non alcohol tincture type .. TBIL is also high normal range -that means she has a bit of bile duct problem.. thought it's not that bad right now.. IV will really help her - I lost more than a couple of kitties to liver disease as I did not notice the problem right away.. but kitty's liver function is not that bad according to blood -- did they not run thyroid test to rule out any thyroid problem? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 6:29 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: More info on Joey Yes, Kitty's bloodwork (they called her Kitty for 12 years so who am I to change it). ALB 3.0 ALKP 294 ALT 78 AMYL 849 BUN 39 CA 10.6 CHOL 155 CREA 1.1 GLOB 6.0 GLU 171 PHOS 5.6 TBIL 0.3 TP 9.0 He has written hypothyroidism, chronic hepatitis, lipiodosis, and some other stuf I can't read. WBC 16.09 LYM 0.93 MONO 2.39 NEU 12.28 EOS 0.40 BASO 0.10 HCT 35.4 RBC 7.43 HGB 14.7 HGH 14.7 RETIC 26.9 MCV 47.6 RDW 20.1 MCH 19.79 PLT 517 MPV 11.26 PCT 0.6 PDW 23.0 On 4/11/07, Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Could you post your female kitty's blood work anyway? Your vet may not have much experience with FIP if he did not say anything about it by looking at the blood work - and lots of vets don't know how to look at the blood result for FIP illness. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hideyo Yamamoto Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 4:15 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: More info on Joey You might also want to start giving him a sub Q fluid (may be every other day - like 100 cc??) as some of his kidney values are high normal range - -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hideyo Yamamoto Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 4:10 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: More info on Joey Do you have bilburin values? Did THL mean TBL? His TP/Gloub is very high? Did he get tested for the corona virus titers? I am a bit concerned that this mimics some of the blood work from the kitties I lost to FIP (anemia, high globulin and low ALB and high AMYL), but he is not a young kitty -but I would ask for the corona virus titer just to see what it is though there is no definitive answers on it either -- I have lots of kitties with high corona titer who don't have FIP, and lower titer and have had FIP.. but trying to eliminate what we can eliminate. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 3:49 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: More info on Joey Ok, here is his other bloodwork. ALB 2.5 ALKP 25 ALT 43 AMYL 1743 BUN 48 CA 9.8 CHOL 209 CREA 1.5 GLOB 7.5 GLU 146 PHOS 5.4 THL 0.7 TP 10.1 I had Blood Chemistry and CBC on his female buddy done...I have the result in the car but they are inconclusive. So we are waiting for urine to see if it is diabetes or not. On 4/11/07, Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am sorry, I did not minimize your concerns by any means --- since my household is always lots of kaos, my standard is probably off -- Lots of my kitties have had anemia problems and it can be a life threatening, I lost 6 kitties to anemia during the past several months already, so I know that it's not to be taken light.. but I also wanted you to remember his clinical behavioral conditions as it's most important thing of all to consider. I really do suggest thought, Kelley, have the blood work done for everything, and also female buddy kitty to run all the blood work as well -- urine samples will tell lots of stuff, but not as much as the blood work can tell and to what degree (i.e. kidney problems.. etc) -- please keep me posted. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 3:31 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: More info on Joey Hi Hideyo, He for sure has anemia. He may have cancer - we cant' tell until I save $ for sonogram. He has an ulcerated area on his tongue that has my vet concerned. He is worried about the possibility of FELV.That is a lot of stuff for one cat to have wrong. The female buddy he came in with may have diabetes. He is keeping her overnight to get a urine sample. She is not eating at all. Most of her blood values are WNL. She's very sick, I know
Re: My apology: Cornell Scientists Find A Second Contaminant in Pet Food ...
hee hee, wasn't even me this time! On 4/11/07, elizabeth trent [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thank you, MCthis is infuriating. elizabeth On 4/11/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: *corrected link* ** *http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news04/2007/04/pet_food_recall20.html * *Terrie Mohr-Forker TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS SIAMESE COLLIE RESCUE Donations accepted at: https://www.paypal.com/* http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescue http://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.html http://www.felineleukemia.org/ http://www.hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.html http://www.petloss.com/ -- See what's free at AOL.comhttp://www.aol.com/?ncid=AOLAOF0002000503. -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
Re: More info on Joey
Not yet. She is at the vet tonight. They could not get urine today. So they are going to get urine, and they syringe fed her for today. I do syringe feed her, but she vomits it up about half the time. I think if she does not have diabetes, then they will run a thyroid. He is ruling out one thing at a time. On 4/11/07, Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think it's her liver -- is she on IV? I would ask the vet to give her IV and flush it out and it's very very important to you syringe feed her --it might be the beginning of fatty liver disease as she was a pretty good size kitty before she lost weight.. Get SAMe from the health food store right away and give 100 mg or so to her every day and also milk thisle (herb) - I use non alcohol tincture type .. TBIL is also high normal range -that means she has a bit of bile duct problem.. thought it's not that bad right now.. IV will really help her - I lost more than a couple of kitties to liver disease as I did not notice the problem right away.. but kitty's liver function is not that bad according to blood -- did they not run thyroid test to rule out any thyroid problem? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 6:29 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: More info on Joey Yes, Kitty's bloodwork (they called her Kitty for 12 years so who am I to change it). ALB 3.0 ALKP 294 ALT 78 AMYL 849 BUN 39 CA 10.6 CHOL 155 CREA 1.1 GLOB 6.0 GLU 171 PHOS 5.6 TBIL 0.3 TP 9.0 He has written hypothyroidism, chronic hepatitis, lipiodosis, and some other stuf I can't read. WBC 16.09 LYM 0.93 MONO 2.39 NEU 12.28 EOS 0.40 BASO 0.10 HCT 35.4 RBC 7.43 HGB 14.7 HGH 14.7 RETIC 26.9 MCV 47.6 RDW 20.1 MCH 19.79 PLT 517 MPV 11.26 PCT 0.6 PDW 23.0 On 4/11/07, Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Could you post your female kitty's blood work anyway? Your vet may not have much experience with FIP if he did not say anything about it by looking at the blood work - and lots of vets don't know how to look at the blood result for FIP illness. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hideyo Yamamoto Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 4:15 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: More info on Joey You might also want to start giving him a sub Q fluid (may be every other day - like 100 cc??) as some of his kidney values are high normal range - -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hideyo Yamamoto Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 4:10 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: More info on Joey Do you have bilburin values? Did THL mean TBL? His TP/Gloub is very high? Did he get tested for the corona virus titers? I am a bit concerned that this mimics some of the blood work from the kitties I lost to FIP (anemia, high globulin and low ALB and high AMYL), but he is not a young kitty -but I would ask for the corona virus titer just to see what it is though there is no definitive answers on it either -- I have lots of kitties with high corona titer who don't have FIP, and lower titer and have had FIP.. but trying to eliminate what we can eliminate. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 3:49 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: More info on Joey Ok, here is his other bloodwork. ALB 2.5 ALKP 25 ALT 43 AMYL 1743 BUN 48 CA 9.8 CHOL 209 CREA 1.5 GLOB 7.5 GLU 146 PHOS 5.4 THL 0.7 TP 10.1 I had Blood Chemistry and CBC on his female buddy done...I have the result in the car but they are inconclusive. So we are waiting for urine to see if it is diabetes or not. On 4/11/07, Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am sorry, I did not minimize your concerns by any means --- since my household is always lots of kaos, my standard is probably off -- Lots of my kitties have had anemia problems and it can be a life threatening, I lost 6 kitties to anemia during the past several months already, so I know that it's not to be taken light.. but I also wanted you to remember his clinical behavioral conditions as it's most important thing of all to consider. I really do suggest thought, Kelley, have the blood work done for everything, and also female buddy kitty to run all the blood work as well -- urine samples will tell lots of stuff, but not as much as the blood work can tell and to what degree (i.e. kidney problems.. etc) -- please keep me posted. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 3:31 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: More info on Joey Hi Hideyo, He for sure has anemia. He may have cancer - we cant' tell until I save $ for sonogram.
RE: More info on Joey
Kelley - she does not have diabete - her gloucose is not high at all -- you need to bring her home -- many cats do not pee when stressed and it's really bad for a kitty with liver problem. They can easily stick a needle to get sterile urine sample if you need to.. and she is not going to pee there - I think you may need to get another vet as I don't know why you vet is not seeing the problem of the liver -- liver problem is very serious and need to do something right away and they should not she does not have diabete from the blood work. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 8:56 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: More info on Joey Not yet. She is at the vet tonight. They could not get urine today. So they are going to get urine, and they syringe fed her for today. I do syringe feed her, but she vomits it up about half the time. I think if she does not have diabetes, then they will run a thyroid. He is ruling out one thing at a time. On 4/11/07, Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think it's her liver -- is she on IV? I would ask the vet to give her IV and flush it out and it's very very important to you syringe feed her --it might be the beginning of fatty liver disease as she was a pretty good size kitty before she lost weight.. Get SAMe from the health food store right away and give 100 mg or so to her every day and also milk thisle (herb) - I use non alcohol tincture type .. TBIL is also high normal range -that means she has a bit of bile duct problem.. thought it's not that bad right now.. IV will really help her - I lost more than a couple of kitties to liver disease as I did not notice the problem right away.. but kitty's liver function is not that bad according to blood -- did they not run thyroid test to rule out any thyroid problem? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 6:29 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: More info on Joey Yes, Kitty's bloodwork (they called her Kitty for 12 years so who am I to change it). ALB 3.0 ALKP 294 ALT 78 AMYL 849 BUN 39 CA 10.6 CHOL 155 CREA 1.1 GLOB 6.0 GLU 171 PHOS 5.6 TBIL 0.3 TP 9.0 He has written hypothyroidism, chronic hepatitis, lipiodosis, and some other stuf I can't read. WBC 16.09 LYM 0.93 MONO 2.39 NEU 12.28 EOS 0.40 BASO 0.10 HCT 35.4 RBC 7.43 HGB 14.7 HGH 14.7 RETIC 26.9 MCV 47.6 RDW 20.1 MCH 19.79 PLT 517 MPV 11.26 PCT 0.6 PDW 23.0 On 4/11/07, Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Could you post your female kitty's blood work anyway? Your vet may not have much experience with FIP if he did not say anything about it by looking at the blood work - and lots of vets don't know how to look at the blood result for FIP illness. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hideyo Yamamoto Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 4:15 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: More info on Joey You might also want to start giving him a sub Q fluid (may be every other day - like 100 cc??) as some of his kidney values are high normal range - -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hideyo Yamamoto Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 4:10 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: More info on Joey Do you have bilburin values? Did THL mean TBL? His TP/Gloub is very high? Did he get tested for the corona virus titers? I am a bit concerned that this mimics some of the blood work from the kitties I lost to FIP (anemia, high globulin and low ALB and high AMYL), but he is not a young kitty -but I would ask for the corona virus titer just to see what it is though there is no definitive answers on it either -- I have lots of kitties with high corona titer who don't have FIP, and lower titer and have had FIP.. but trying to eliminate what we can eliminate. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 3:49 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: More info on Joey Ok, here is his other bloodwork. ALB 2.5 ALKP 25 ALT 43 AMYL 1743 BUN 48 CA 9.8 CHOL 209 CREA 1.5 GLOB 7.5 GLU 146 PHOS 5.4 THL 0.7 TP 10.1 I had Blood Chemistry and CBC on his female buddy done...I have the result in the car but they are inconclusive. So we are waiting for urine to see if it is diabetes or not. On 4/11/07, Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am sorry, I did not minimize your concerns by any means --- since my household is always lots of kaos, my standard is probably off -- Lots of my kitties have had anemia problems and it can be a life threatening,
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Hey Kelley, Just wanted to let you know I was thinking about you and Joey. I'm just south of your neck of the woods in San Antonio for a conference this week. I hope you find out soon what's going on with Joey. I was only able to read a few emails today so I'm not sure all that's going on with Joey today. Prayers going out to both of you. :) Wendy --- Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, Kitty's bloodwork (they called her Kitty for 12 years so who am I to change it). ALB 3.0 ALKP 294 ALT 78 AMYL 849 BUN 39 CA 10.6 CHOL 155 CREA 1.1 GLOB 6.0 GLU 171 PHOS 5.6 TBIL 0.3 TP 9.0 He has written hypothyroidism, chronic hepatitis, lipiodosis, and some other stuf I can't read. WBC 16.09 LYM 0.93 MONO 2.39 NEU 12.28 EOS 0.40 BASO 0.10 HCT 35.4 RBC 7.43 HGB 14.7 HGH 14.7 RETIC 26.9 MCV 47.6 RDW 20.1 MCH 19.79 PLT 517 MPV 11.26 PCT 0.6 PDW 23.0 On 4/11/07, Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Could you post your female kitty's blood work anyway? Your vet may not have much experience with FIP if he did not say anything about it by looking at the blood work - and lots of vets don't know how to look at the blood result for FIP illness. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hideyo Yamamoto Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 4:15 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: More info on Joey You might also want to start giving him a sub Q fluid (may be every other day - like 100 cc??) as some of his kidney values are high normal range - -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hideyo Yamamoto Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 4:10 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: More info on Joey Do you have bilburin values? Did THL mean TBL? His TP/Gloub is very high? Did he get tested for the corona virus titers? I am a bit concerned that this mimics some of the blood work from the kitties I lost to FIP (anemia, high globulin and low ALB and high AMYL), but he is not a young kitty -but I would ask for the corona virus titer just to see what it is though there is no definitive answers on it either -- I have lots of kitties with high corona titer who don't have FIP, and lower titer and have had FIP.. but trying to eliminate what we can eliminate. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 3:49 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: More info on Joey Ok, here is his other bloodwork. ALB 2.5 ALKP 25 ALT 43 AMYL 1743 BUN 48 CA 9.8 CHOL 209 CREA 1.5 GLOB 7.5 GLU 146 PHOS 5.4 THL 0.7 TP 10.1 I had Blood Chemistry and CBC on his female buddy done...I have the result in the car but they are inconclusive. So we are waiting for urine to see if it is diabetes or not. On 4/11/07, Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am sorry, I did not minimize your concerns by any means --- since my household is always lots of kaos, my standard is probably off -- Lots of my kitties have had anemia problems and it can be a life threatening, I lost 6 kitties to anemia during the past several months already, so I know that it's not to be taken light.. but I also wanted you to remember his clinical behavioral conditions as it's most important thing of all to consider. I really do suggest thought, Kelley, have the blood work done for everything, and also female buddy kitty to run all the blood work as well -- urine samples will tell lots of stuff, but not as much as the blood work can tell and to what degree (i.e. kidney problems.. etc) -- please keep me posted. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 3:31 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: More info on Joey Hi Hideyo, He for sure has anemia. He may have cancer - we cant' tell until I save $ for sonogram. He has an ulcerated area on his tongue that has my vet concerned. He is worried about the possibility of FELV.That is a lot of stuff for one cat to have wrong. The female buddy he came in with may have diabetes. He is keeping her overnight to get a urine sample. She is not eating at all. Most of her blood values are WNL. She's very sick, I know that. She's lost 7 lb in 2 month out of 17.2 lbs. She had URI so I treated that and she got better from that..but she kept not eating. I syringe her but sometimes she throws it back up. On 4/11/07, Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: He looks so cute!! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
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Kelley - now I am looking at Kitty's bloodwork, I am pretty sure that you meant TBIL and not TFIL for Joey's blood work. IF so, I am worried that there is a chance that he may have FIP... here's the blood work you emailed to me earlier .. Elevated AMYL, GLOUB, TBL and low RBC - is there anyway that you can get access to FOI -- even it's FIP, there is a chance that he will recover as he is older .. but I really suggest you have them run corona titer test to -- I lost 8 kitties to FIP and have seen their blood work and symptoms and am worried that there is something that we can do to help him but your vet is not seeing it. ALB 2.5 ALKP 25 ALT 43 AMYL 1743 BUN 48 CA 9.8 CHOL 209 CREA 1.5 GLOB 7.5 GLU 146 PHOS 5.4 THL 0.7 TP 10.1 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 6:29 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: More info on Joey Yes, Kitty's bloodwork (they called her Kitty for 12 years so who am I to change it). ALB 3.0 ALKP 294 ALT 78 AMYL 849 BUN 39 CA 10.6 CHOL 155 CREA 1.1 GLOB 6.0 GLU 171 PHOS 5.6 TBIL 0.3 TP 9.0 He has written hypothyroidism, chronic hepatitis, lipiodosis, and some other stuf I can't read. WBC 16.09 LYM 0.93 MONO 2.39 NEU 12.28 EOS 0.40 BASO 0.10 HCT 35.4 RBC 7.43 HGB 14.7 HGH 14.7 RETIC 26.9 MCV 47.6 RDW 20.1 MCH 19.79 PLT 517 MPV 11.26 PCT 0.6 PDW 23.0 On 4/11/07, Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Could you post your female kitty's blood work anyway? Your vet may not have much experience with FIP if he did not say anything about it by looking at the blood work - and lots of vets don't know how to look at the blood result for FIP illness. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hideyo Yamamoto Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 4:15 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: More info on Joey You might also want to start giving him a sub Q fluid (may be every other day - like 100 cc??) as some of his kidney values are high normal range - -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hideyo Yamamoto Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 4:10 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: More info on Joey Do you have bilburin values? Did THL mean TBL? His TP/Gloub is very high? Did he get tested for the corona virus titers? I am a bit concerned that this mimics some of the blood work from the kitties I lost to FIP (anemia, high globulin and low ALB and high AMYL), but he is not a young kitty -but I would ask for the corona virus titer just to see what it is though there is no definitive answers on it either -- I have lots of kitties with high corona titer who don't have FIP, and lower titer and have had FIP.. but trying to eliminate what we can eliminate. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 3:49 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: More info on Joey Ok, here is his other bloodwork. ALB 2.5 ALKP 25 ALT 43 AMYL 1743 BUN 48 CA 9.8 CHOL 209 CREA 1.5 GLOB 7.5 GLU 146 PHOS 5.4 THL 0.7 TP 10.1 I had Blood Chemistry and CBC on his female buddy done...I have the result in the car but they are inconclusive. So we are waiting for urine to see if it is diabetes or not. On 4/11/07, Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am sorry, I did not minimize your concerns by any means --- since my household is always lots of kaos, my standard is probably off -- Lots of my kitties have had anemia problems and it can be a life threatening, I lost 6 kitties to anemia during the past several months already, so I know that it's not to be taken light.. but I also wanted you to remember his clinical behavioral conditions as it's most important thing of all to consider. I really do suggest thought, Kelley, have the blood work done for everything, and also female buddy kitty to run all the blood work as well -- urine samples will tell lots of stuff, but not as much as the blood work can tell and to what degree (i.e. kidney problems.. etc) -- please keep me posted. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 3:31 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: More info on Joey Hi Hideyo, He for sure has anemia. He may have cancer - we cant' tell until I save $ for sonogram. He has an ulcerated area on his tongue that has my vet concerned. He is worried about the possibility of FELV.That is a lot of stuff for one cat to have wrong. The female buddy he came in with may have diabetes. He is keeping her overnight to get a urine sample. She is not eating at all. Most of her blood values are WNL. She's very sick, I know that. She's lost 7 lb in 2
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There is someone on FIP list who has FIP and her kitty died and wanted to sell it to someone, if you are interested in, I can ask her - -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hideyo Yamamoto Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 9:00 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: More info on Joey Kelley - now I am looking at Kitty's bloodwork, I am pretty sure that you meant TBIL and not TFIL for Joey's blood work. IF so, I am worried that there is a chance that he may have FIP... here's the blood work you emailed to me earlier .. Elevated AMYL, GLOUB, TBL and low RBC - is there anyway that you can get access to FOI -- even it's FIP, there is a chance that he will recover as he is older .. but I really suggest you have them run corona titer test to -- I lost 8 kitties to FIP and have seen their blood work and symptoms and am worried that there is something that we can do to help him but your vet is not seeing it. ALB 2.5 ALKP 25 ALT 43 AMYL 1743 BUN 48 CA 9.8 CHOL 209 CREA 1.5 GLOB 7.5 GLU 146 PHOS 5.4 THL 0.7 TP 10.1 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 6:29 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: More info on Joey Yes, Kitty's bloodwork (they called her Kitty for 12 years so who am I to change it). ALB 3.0 ALKP 294 ALT 78 AMYL 849 BUN 39 CA 10.6 CHOL 155 CREA 1.1 GLOB 6.0 GLU 171 PHOS 5.6 TBIL 0.3 TP 9.0 He has written hypothyroidism, chronic hepatitis, lipiodosis, and some other stuf I can't read. WBC 16.09 LYM 0.93 MONO 2.39 NEU 12.28 EOS 0.40 BASO 0.10 HCT 35.4 RBC 7.43 HGB 14.7 HGH 14.7 RETIC 26.9 MCV 47.6 RDW 20.1 MCH 19.79 PLT 517 MPV 11.26 PCT 0.6 PDW 23.0 On 4/11/07, Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Could you post your female kitty's blood work anyway? Your vet may not have much experience with FIP if he did not say anything about it by looking at the blood work - and lots of vets don't know how to look at the blood result for FIP illness. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hideyo Yamamoto Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 4:15 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: More info on Joey You might also want to start giving him a sub Q fluid (may be every other day - like 100 cc??) as some of his kidney values are high normal range - -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hideyo Yamamoto Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 4:10 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: More info on Joey Do you have bilburin values? Did THL mean TBL? His TP/Gloub is very high? Did he get tested for the corona virus titers? I am a bit concerned that this mimics some of the blood work from the kitties I lost to FIP (anemia, high globulin and low ALB and high AMYL), but he is not a young kitty -but I would ask for the corona virus titer just to see what it is though there is no definitive answers on it either -- I have lots of kitties with high corona titer who don't have FIP, and lower titer and have had FIP.. but trying to eliminate what we can eliminate. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 3:49 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: More info on Joey Ok, here is his other bloodwork. ALB 2.5 ALKP 25 ALT 43 AMYL 1743 BUN 48 CA 9.8 CHOL 209 CREA 1.5 GLOB 7.5 GLU 146 PHOS 5.4 THL 0.7 TP 10.1 I had Blood Chemistry and CBC on his female buddy done...I have the result in the car but they are inconclusive. So we are waiting for urine to see if it is diabetes or not. On 4/11/07, Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am sorry, I did not minimize your concerns by any means --- since my household is always lots of kaos, my standard is probably off -- Lots of my kitties have had anemia problems and it can be a life threatening, I lost 6 kitties to anemia during the past several months already, so I know that it's not to be taken light.. but I also wanted you to remember his clinical behavioral conditions as it's most important thing of all to consider. I really do suggest thought, Kelley, have the blood work done for everything, and also female buddy kitty to run all the blood work as well -- urine samples will tell lots of stuff, but not as much as the blood work can tell and to what degree (i.e. kidney problems.. etc) -- please keep me posted. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 3:31 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: More info on Joey Hi Hideyo, He for sure has anemia. He may have cancer - we cant' tell until I save $ for sonogram. He has an ulcerated area on his tongue that has
Re: More info on Joey
Lipidosis is the same thing as fatty liver disease, if I'm not mistaken. Is the vet saying Joey has this??? This is very serious if so; it's related to the lack of food. I hope Joey is ok Kelley. :) Wendy --- Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, Kitty's bloodwork (they called her Kitty for 12 years so who am I to change it). ALB 3.0 ALKP 294 ALT 78 AMYL 849 BUN 39 CA 10.6 CHOL 155 CREA 1.1 GLOB 6.0 GLU 171 PHOS 5.6 TBIL 0.3 TP 9.0 He has written hypothyroidism, chronic hepatitis, lipiodosis, and some other stuf I can't read. WBC 16.09 LYM 0.93 MONO 2.39 NEU 12.28 EOS 0.40 BASO 0.10 HCT 35.4 RBC 7.43 HGB 14.7 HGH 14.7 RETIC 26.9 MCV 47.6 RDW 20.1 MCH 19.79 PLT 517 MPV 11.26 PCT 0.6 PDW 23.0 On 4/11/07, Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Could you post your female kitty's blood work anyway? Your vet may not have much experience with FIP if he did not say anything about it by looking at the blood work - and lots of vets don't know how to look at the blood result for FIP illness. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hideyo Yamamoto Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 4:15 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: More info on Joey You might also want to start giving him a sub Q fluid (may be every other day - like 100 cc??) as some of his kidney values are high normal range - -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hideyo Yamamoto Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 4:10 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: More info on Joey Do you have bilburin values? Did THL mean TBL? His TP/Gloub is very high? Did he get tested for the corona virus titers? I am a bit concerned that this mimics some of the blood work from the kitties I lost to FIP (anemia, high globulin and low ALB and high AMYL), but he is not a young kitty -but I would ask for the corona virus titer just to see what it is though there is no definitive answers on it either -- I have lots of kitties with high corona titer who don't have FIP, and lower titer and have had FIP.. but trying to eliminate what we can eliminate. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 3:49 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: More info on Joey Ok, here is his other bloodwork. ALB 2.5 ALKP 25 ALT 43 AMYL 1743 BUN 48 CA 9.8 CHOL 209 CREA 1.5 GLOB 7.5 GLU 146 PHOS 5.4 THL 0.7 TP 10.1 I had Blood Chemistry and CBC on his female buddy done...I have the result in the car but they are inconclusive. So we are waiting for urine to see if it is diabetes or not. On 4/11/07, Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am sorry, I did not minimize your concerns by any means --- since my household is always lots of kaos, my standard is probably off -- Lots of my kitties have had anemia problems and it can be a life threatening, I lost 6 kitties to anemia during the past several months already, so I know that it's not to be taken light.. but I also wanted you to remember his clinical behavioral conditions as it's most important thing of all to consider. I really do suggest thought, Kelley, have the blood work done for everything, and also female buddy kitty to run all the blood work as well -- urine samples will tell lots of stuff, but not as much as the blood work can tell and to what degree (i.e. kidney problems.. etc) -- please keep me posted. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 3:31 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: More info on Joey Hi Hideyo, He for sure has anemia. He may have cancer - we cant' tell until I save $ for sonogram. He has an ulcerated area on his tongue that has my vet concerned. He is worried about the possibility of FELV.That is a lot of stuff for one cat to have wrong. The female buddy he came in with may have diabetes. He is keeping her overnight to get a urine sample. She is not eating at all. Most of her blood values are WNL. She's very sick, I know that. She's lost 7 lb in 2 month out of 17.2 lbs. She had URI so I treated that and she got better from that..but she kept not eating. I syringe her but sometimes she throws it back up. On 4/11/07, Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: He looks so cute!! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 11:26 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: More info on Joey
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they still haven't posted the formal transcript yet, so i'll pull a copy out of the ether (i get to do these things when i put on my spandex hostie uniform) and see if phaewyrn will stick it up on her site so we can all link to it... HOWEVER, i will tell you what christie and all the books say--there are no generic recipes that are going to work. there are BASICS that you need to follow, but if you want a program that's gonna be nutritionally complete and healthy, you're gonna have to take the time to do the reading and take your own abilities and your critters' needs into account! MC -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
RE: More info on Joey
Hi, Kelley - she vomits because she feels nauseated when the food is put in her mouth and she is nauseated because of her liver problem and it's a common sytmpoms for liver problems. Liver has a great recoupbability to recover, however, early treatment is very critical.. once a cat becomes jaundiced, you will risk losing the kitty.. that's how I lost mine. Again, IV is critical right now -- you cannot afford her to be dehydrated.. and IV will help flush toxins and bile out from the liver and will make her feel better - there are pepcid injection that you can give her from feeling nauseated -- but please please ask you vet to give her IV -- as Wendy says it's a very serious condition. I will be praying for Joey and Kitty's recovery. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 8:56 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: More info on Joey Not yet. She is at the vet tonight. They could not get urine today. So they are going to get urine, and they syringe fed her for today. I do syringe feed her, but she vomits it up about half the time. I think if she does not have diabetes, then they will run a thyroid. He is ruling out one thing at a time. On 4/11/07, Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think it's her liver -- is she on IV? I would ask the vet to give her IV and flush it out and it's very very important to you syringe feed her --it might be the beginning of fatty liver disease as she was a pretty good size kitty before she lost weight.. Get SAMe from the health food store right away and give 100 mg or so to her every day and also milk thisle (herb) - I use non alcohol tincture type .. TBIL is also high normal range -that means she has a bit of bile duct problem.. thought it's not that bad right now.. IV will really help her - I lost more than a couple of kitties to liver disease as I did not notice the problem right away.. but kitty's liver function is not that bad according to blood -- did they not run thyroid test to rule out any thyroid problem? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 6:29 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: More info on Joey Yes, Kitty's bloodwork (they called her Kitty for 12 years so who am I to change it). ALB 3.0 ALKP 294 ALT 78 AMYL 849 BUN 39 CA 10.6 CHOL 155 CREA 1.1 GLOB 6.0 GLU 171 PHOS 5.6 TBIL 0.3 TP 9.0 He has written hypothyroidism, chronic hepatitis, lipiodosis, and some other stuf I can't read. WBC 16.09 LYM 0.93 MONO 2.39 NEU 12.28 EOS 0.40 BASO 0.10 HCT 35.4 RBC 7.43 HGB 14.7 HGH 14.7 RETIC 26.9 MCV 47.6 RDW 20.1 MCH 19.79 PLT 517 MPV 11.26 PCT 0.6 PDW 23.0 On 4/11/07, Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Could you post your female kitty's blood work anyway? Your vet may not have much experience with FIP if he did not say anything about it by looking at the blood work - and lots of vets don't know how to look at the blood result for FIP illness. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hideyo Yamamoto Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 4:15 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: More info on Joey You might also want to start giving him a sub Q fluid (may be every other day - like 100 cc??) as some of his kidney values are high normal range - -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hideyo Yamamoto Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 4:10 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: More info on Joey Do you have bilburin values? Did THL mean TBL? His TP/Gloub is very high? Did he get tested for the corona virus titers? I am a bit concerned that this mimics some of the blood work from the kitties I lost to FIP (anemia, high globulin and low ALB and high AMYL), but he is not a young kitty -but I would ask for the corona virus titer just to see what it is though there is no definitive answers on it either -- I have lots of kitties with high corona titer who don't have FIP, and lower titer and have had FIP.. but trying to eliminate what we can eliminate. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 3:49 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: More info on Joey Ok, here is his other bloodwork. ALB 2.5 ALKP 25 ALT 43 AMYL 1743 BUN 48 CA 9.8 CHOL 209 CREA 1.5 GLOB 7.5 GLU 146 PHOS 5.4 THL 0.7 TP 10.1 I had Blood Chemistry and CBC on his female buddy done...I have the result in the car but they are inconclusive. So we are waiting for urine to see if it is diabetes or not. On 4/11/07, Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am sorry, I did not minimize your concerns by any means --- since my
