Re: OT: Houston we have a problem (HELP!)

[Susan Dubose]

My Evil Little Wednesday is the same way, only she has never wanted to play 
w/ others.

She is all bala and was abandoned one very wet, stormy night in an old beer 
box behind the Humane Society, @ the tender age of about 2 weeks.

She was my first foster.

Nobody bothered to tell me that she needed a playmate, which probably why 
she now has a very, very bad case of "single kitten syndrome".

She would go to school w/ me all day and my instructors would bottle feed 
her ( I was in the photography program which is a bit more carefree).

She would meow constantly, but when you went to pick her up she would bite & 
claw.

The only music that woudl rock her to sleep was Ozzy Osborne or Harpsicord 
arrangements, hence, the name "Wednesday"like Wednesday Addams..

Her favorite game to play w/ me as a child was "Is there a God?"

As she grew older, her favorite thing to do was to wrap herself around your 
extended arm ( extended to pick her up) and bite, claw & "bunny kick"...

This year she turned 7, so, I think she is mellowing out a bit.

Nothing scares me more than waking up in the middle of the night and finding 
her laying "Spinx style" on my chest, beading little eyes burning into 
me..

Her name is Legion, for she is many.


Susan J. DuBose  >^..^<
www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
www.shadowcats.net
  "As Cleopatra lay in state,
   Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
   Purring welcomes of soft applause,
   Ever guarding with sharpened claws."
 Trajan Tennent




- Original Message - 
From: "Belinda" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2007 2:40 PM
Subject: Re: OT: Houston we have a problem (HELP!)


Hi Kerry,
   Cody isn't feral, just unsocial with the other cats although he is
much better, he almost tries to play with Joey sometimes, but he plays
too rough and Joey runs away after a few minutes.  When I play with him
he bites way to hard, I don't think he had sibs or was taken away too
soon since he didn't learn what is acceptable when play biting.

The fluoxetine can be compounded which is what I did, it came as a
transderaml gel I rubbed inside Cody's ear tip.

-- 

Belinda
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Fw: Houston we have a problem (HELP!)

[Susan Dubose]

Here is someone else's advice.

Susan J. DuBose  >^..^<
www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
www.shadowcats.net
  "As Cleopatra lay in state,
   Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
   Purring welcomes of soft applause,
   Ever guarding with sharpened claws."
 Trajan Tennent




- Original Message - 
From: Sheila Smith 
To: 'Susan Dubose' 
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2007 10:04 AM
Subject: RE: Houston we have a problem (HELP!)


Yes, rule out medical.


Time and patience- how long has she had her?


Leave her alone, let her be her own cat. She may never want petting, picked up. 
That's ok. Her attacking behavior tho cant be ignored. Antidressants, rescue 
remedy, Comfort, feliway,- all the usual.

 

Time out is good. I have cats that get put in condos at night (Bailey)  

More litter boxes

 

Several feeding areas

 

But sometimes nothing will c hange ingrained behavior and its what it is. And 
then tough decisions to be made. 

Good luck to your friend Susan. Reminds me of that big tuxie remember

 

Re: OT: Houston we have a problem (HELP!)

[Susan Dubose]

Thankie, thankie
Pass me my hankie...

Susan J. DuBose  >^..^<
www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
www.shadowcats.net
  "As Cleopatra lay in state,
   Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
   Purring welcomes of soft applause,
   Ever guarding with sharpened claws."
 Trajan Tennent




- Original Message - 
From: "Belinda" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2007 2:33 PM
Subject: Re: OT: Houston we have a problem (HELP!)


   Sure  :)

> Permission to forward?

-- 

Belinda
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Re: OT: Houston we have a problem (HELP!)

[Belinda]

   Hi Kerry,
  Cody isn't feral, just unsocial with the other cats although he is 
much better, he almost tries to play with Joey sometimes, but he plays 
too rough and Joey runs away after a few minutes.  When I play with him 
he bites way to hard, I don't think he had sibs or was taken away too 
soon since he didn't learn what is acceptable when play biting.


The fluoxetine can be compounded which is what I did, it came as a 
transderaml gel I rubbed inside Cody's ear tip.


--

Belinda
happiness is being owned by cats ...

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Re: OT: Cat behavioral books

[Belinda]

  Nope


Has anyone read either of these?
 
 




*"The Domestic Cat: The Biology of its Behaviour"*
Dennis C. Turner; Paperback; $25.18


 
*Feline Behavior (Paperback) *
by Bonnie V. Beaver 
 
(Author)   $49.95




--

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Re: OT: Houston we have a problem (HELP!)

[Belinda]

  Sure  :)


Permission to forward?


--

Belinda
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http://bemikitties.com

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Re: OT: Houston we have a problem (HELP!)

[Susan Dubose]

Moist food?

Does he like it?


Susan J. DuBose  >^..^<
www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
www.shadowcats.net
  "As Cleopatra lay in state,
   Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
   Purring welcomes of soft applause,
   Ever guarding with sharpened claws."
 Trajan Tennent




- Original Message - 
From: "MacKenzie, Kerry N." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2007 2:12 PM
Subject: RE: OT: Houston we have a problem (HELP!)


Belinda, how did you administer the drug to your feral cat? Or are you
able to handle him...?
I have the same marking problem with my feral. Several months of Feliway
and Rescue Remedy haven't solved the problem. I can't handle him so I've
always assumed kitty prozac is not an option. Kerry

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan Dubose
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2007 1:58 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: OT: Houston we have a problem (HELP!)

Oh, thanks Belinda,

Permission to forward?


Susan J. DuBose  >^..^<
www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
www.shadowcats.net
  "As Cleopatra lay in state,
   Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
   Purring welcomes of soft applause,
   Ever guarding with sharpened claws."
 Trajan Tennent




- Original Message - 
From: "Belinda" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2007 12:52 PM
Subject: Re: OT: Houston we have a problem (HELP!)


  With a cat this wild she may need to be on drugs to help calm her
down, fluoxetine worked best for us, (kitty prozac), it may calm her
down enough to get used to the new situation and once she has acclimated
maybe she can come off them.  I had to do this with Cody more because of
marking issues although there were a few spats because similar to the
kitty in question he had no idea how to interact with the other cats so
he would become defensive thinking he was being attacked.  Unlike the
other ladies cats mine wouldn't bow down to him so he became the
outcast.

I tried all of the available drugs and only the fluoxetine made him
completely stop marking.  He was on it for probably 3 or 4 months, once
I took him off he does still marks on occasion when KC puts him in his
place but they all get along well enough for the most part and I can
deal with marking on the limited basis he does it now, don't like it but
I can deal with it.  He thankfully only marks in a couple of places.  If
he ever gets as bad as he was before, marking multiple times daily he
will go back on the drugs.

If she doesn't want to go that route, I didn't and let Cody mark for
over 6 months before I finally decided I had to do something, Rescue
Remedy never really worked on my guys but that may help and the Feliway
may also help.  I would say if she doesn't want to use drugs
introductions are going to have to start over at a very slow pace, if
she has the room to keep new kitty separate from those already there.
I've heard that rubbing a towel on the new kitty and then the old
established cats and vice versa will mix their scents so they all smell
the same, it's suppose to help, never tried it though.

Can she think of anything that happened recently before the change
occurred?

-- 

Belinda
happiness is being owned by cats ...

Be-Mi-Kitties
http://bemikitties.com

Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens
http://adopt.bemikitties.com

FeLV Candlelight Service
http://bemikitties.com/cls

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BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites]
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OT: Cat behavioral books

[Susan Dubose]

Has anyone read either of these?


  "The Domestic Cat: The Biology of its Behaviour"
  Dennis C. Turner; Paperback; $25.18



  Feline Behavior (Paperback) 
  by Bonnie V. Beaver (Author)   $49.95
 

Susan J. DuBose  >^..^<
www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
www.shadowcats.net
  "As Cleopatra lay in state,
   Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
   Purring welcomes of soft applause,
   Ever guarding with sharpened claws."
 Trajan Tennent

RE: Cat thyroid disease linked to chemicals

[Rosenfeldt, Diane]

Oy jeez, what next?  Weren't we healthier when we didn't get all this
information? ;-)  For some reason this old gag of George Carlin's comes
to mind:  "A study has shown that saliva causes cancer -- but only when
swallowed in small quantities over a long period of time..."
 
Diane R., stocking up on non-fish cat food
 
 
Diane Rosenfeldt 
Legal Secretary
Quarles & Brady LLP 
411 East Wisconsin Avenue 
Suite 2040 
Milwaukee, Wisconsin 53202-4497 

E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 
 



From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan Dubose
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2007 2:04 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org; asr
Subject: OT: Cat thyroid disease linked to chemicals



EPA scientists zero in on flame retardants in some home products and 
pet food. There is concern about humans.
By Marla Cone, Los Angeles Times Staff Writer
August 16, 2007 

Thyroid risks
click to enlarge
An epidemic of thyroid disease among pet cats could be caused by 
toxic flame retardants that are widely found in household dust and 
some pet food, government scientists reported Wednesday.

The often-lethal disease was rare in cats until the 1980s, when it 
began appearing widely, particularly in California cats. That was at 
the same time industry started using large volumes of brominated 
flame retardants in consumer products, including furniture cushions, 
electronics, mattresses and carpet padding. 

Scientists from the Environmental Protection Agency noted a possible 
connection between hyperthyroidism and flame retardants. The 
chemicals -- known as polybrominated diphenyl ethers, or PBDEs -- 
mimic thyroid hormones, so experts have theorized that high exposure 
in cats could cause overactive thyroids.

Cats that remain indoors and eat fish-flavored canned food were 
found to be the most highly contaminated.

"We know there is an association between indoor living for cats and 
hyperthyroidism," said Linda Birnbaum, a senior author of the study 
and the EPA's director of experimental toxicology. "Our paper does 
show cats are highly exposed and hyperthyroidism may be due to the 
high PBDEs. More studies are needed to fully determine this."

A major unanswered question is whether cats are the proverbial 
canaries in the coal mine, signaling health dangers for their 
owners. Cats and human beings are the only mammals with a high rate 
of hyperthyroidism. 

So far, no link has been established between human endocrine 
disorders and exposure to flame retardants. However, "there is 
growing concern," the scientists wrote.

"It is clear that house cats may be able to serve as sentinels for 
indoor exposure to PBDEs for humans who share their houses," said 
Birnbaum, one of the world's leading experts on hormone-altering 
chemicals. 

Brominated flame retardants are ubiquitous outdoors and inside 
homes. The chemicals have been building up in people and wildlife 
over the last two decades, particularly in the United States, where 
human concentrations have doubled every few years.

People in the United States have the highest PBDE levels in humans 
worldwide, but U.S. cats are even more exposed -- some with levels 
100 times greater, according to the study.

Twenty-three cats were tested in the EPA's study, including 11 with 
hyperthyroidism. The researchers found that the cats with 
hyperthyroidism had substantially higher levels of a PBDE compound. 
Symptoms of the disease, which is a leading cause of cat death, 
include weight loss, rapid heartbeat and irritability. 

"Our results demonstrated that cats are being consistently exposed 
to PBDEs, an endocrine-disrupting environmental contaminant," the 
research team, led by Janice Dye and Marta Venier of the EPA's 
National Health and Environmental Effects Research Laboratory in 
North Carolina, wrote in their study published in the journal 
Environmental Science & Technology. Because of this exposure, "cats 
may be at increased risk for developing thyroid hyperplastic 
changes."

Myrto Petreas, branch chief of environmental chemistry at the 
California Department of Toxic Substances Control, said that the cat 
study was small but that it reaffirmed health concerns not only for 
cats but humans too, "especially children, anyone exposed to high 
levels."

"PBDEs are in consumer products, so we get exposed while we use the 
products in homes and during the lifetime of the products. We inhale 
or ingest dust, mostly from hand-to-mouth transfer," said Petreas, 
who did not participate in the study.

The risk to cats that eat dry food and live in homes with average 
contamination is minimal, the study said, while "at the other 
extreme, maximal PBDE exposure" occurs in cats that eat fish-
flavored canned food and live in houses with highly contaminated 
dust.

Cats that eat canned food containing whitefish, salmon and other 
seafood are exposed to PBDE levels up to 12 times higher t

RE: OT: Houston we have a problem (HELP!)

[MacKenzie, Kerry N.]

Belinda, how did you administer the drug to your feral cat? Or are you
able to handle him...?
I have the same marking problem with my feral. Several months of Feliway
and Rescue Remedy haven't solved the problem. I can't handle him so I've
always assumed kitty prozac is not an option. Kerry

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan Dubose
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2007 1:58 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: OT: Houston we have a problem (HELP!)

Oh, thanks Belinda,

Permission to forward?


Susan J. DuBose  >^..^<
www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
www.shadowcats.net
  "As Cleopatra lay in state,
   Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
   Purring welcomes of soft applause,
   Ever guarding with sharpened claws."
 Trajan Tennent




- Original Message - 
From: "Belinda" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2007 12:52 PM
Subject: Re: OT: Houston we have a problem (HELP!)


  With a cat this wild she may need to be on drugs to help calm her
down, fluoxetine worked best for us, (kitty prozac), it may calm her
down enough to get used to the new situation and once she has acclimated
maybe she can come off them.  I had to do this with Cody more because of
marking issues although there were a few spats because similar to the
kitty in question he had no idea how to interact with the other cats so
he would become defensive thinking he was being attacked.  Unlike the
other ladies cats mine wouldn't bow down to him so he became the
outcast.

I tried all of the available drugs and only the fluoxetine made him
completely stop marking.  He was on it for probably 3 or 4 months, once
I took him off he does still marks on occasion when KC puts him in his
place but they all get along well enough for the most part and I can
deal with marking on the limited basis he does it now, don't like it but
I can deal with it.  He thankfully only marks in a couple of places.  If
he ever gets as bad as he was before, marking multiple times daily he
will go back on the drugs.

If she doesn't want to go that route, I didn't and let Cody mark for
over 6 months before I finally decided I had to do something, Rescue
Remedy never really worked on my guys but that may help and the Feliway
may also help.  I would say if she doesn't want to use drugs
introductions are going to have to start over at a very slow pace, if
she has the room to keep new kitty separate from those already there.
I've heard that rubbing a towel on the new kitty and then the old
established cats and vice versa will mix their scents so they all smell
the same, it's suppose to help, never tried it though.

Can she think of anything that happened recently before the change
occurred?

-- 

Belinda
happiness is being owned by cats ...

Be-Mi-Kitties
http://bemikitties.com

Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens
http://adopt.bemikitties.com

FeLV Candlelight Service
http://bemikitties.com/cls

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OT: Cat thyroid disease linked to chemicals

[Susan Dubose]

EPA scientists zero in on flame retardants in some home products and 
pet food. There is concern about humans.
By Marla Cone, Los Angeles Times Staff Writer
August 16, 2007 

Thyroid risks
click to enlarge
An epidemic of thyroid disease among pet cats could be caused by 
toxic flame retardants that are widely found in household dust and 
some pet food, government scientists reported Wednesday.

The often-lethal disease was rare in cats until the 1980s, when it 
began appearing widely, particularly in California cats. That was at 
the same time industry started using large volumes of brominated 
flame retardants in consumer products, including furniture cushions, 
electronics, mattresses and carpet padding. 

Scientists from the Environmental Protection Agency noted a possible 
connection between hyperthyroidism and flame retardants. The 
chemicals -- known as polybrominated diphenyl ethers, or PBDEs -- 
mimic thyroid hormones, so experts have theorized that high exposure 
in cats could cause overactive thyroids.

Cats that remain indoors and eat fish-flavored canned food were 
found to be the most highly contaminated.

"We know there is an association between indoor living for cats and 
hyperthyroidism," said Linda Birnbaum, a senior author of the study 
and the EPA's director of experimental toxicology. "Our paper does 
show cats are highly exposed and hyperthyroidism may be due to the 
high PBDEs. More studies are needed to fully determine this."

A major unanswered question is whether cats are the proverbial 
canaries in the coal mine, signaling health dangers for their 
owners. Cats and human beings are the only mammals with a high rate 
of hyperthyroidism. 

So far, no link has been established between human endocrine 
disorders and exposure to flame retardants. However, "there is 
growing concern," the scientists wrote.

"It is clear that house cats may be able to serve as sentinels for 
indoor exposure to PBDEs for humans who share their houses," said 
Birnbaum, one of the world's leading experts on hormone-altering 
chemicals. 

Brominated flame retardants are ubiquitous outdoors and inside 
homes. The chemicals have been building up in people and wildlife 
over the last two decades, particularly in the United States, where 
human concentrations have doubled every few years.

People in the United States have the highest PBDE levels in humans 
worldwide, but U.S. cats are even more exposed -- some with levels 
100 times greater, according to the study.

Twenty-three cats were tested in the EPA's study, including 11 with 
hyperthyroidism. The researchers found that the cats with 
hyperthyroidism had substantially higher levels of a PBDE compound. 
Symptoms of the disease, which is a leading cause of cat death, 
include weight loss, rapid heartbeat and irritability. 

"Our results demonstrated that cats are being consistently exposed 
to PBDEs, an endocrine-disrupting environmental contaminant," the 
research team, led by Janice Dye and Marta Venier of the EPA's 
National Health and Environmental Effects Research Laboratory in 
North Carolina, wrote in their study published in the journal 
Environmental Science & Technology. Because of this exposure, "cats 
may be at increased risk for developing thyroid hyperplastic 
changes."

Myrto Petreas, branch chief of environmental chemistry at the 
California Department of Toxic Substances Control, said that the cat 
study was small but that it reaffirmed health concerns not only for 
cats but humans too, "especially children, anyone exposed to high 
levels."

"PBDEs are in consumer products, so we get exposed while we use the 
products in homes and during the lifetime of the products. We inhale 
or ingest dust, mostly from hand-to-mouth transfer," said Petreas, 
who did not participate in the study.

The risk to cats that eat dry food and live in homes with average 
contamination is minimal, the study said, while "at the other 
extreme, maximal PBDE exposure" occurs in cats that eat fish-
flavored canned food and live in houses with highly contaminated 
dust.

Cats that eat canned food containing whitefish, salmon and other 
seafood are exposed to PBDE levels up to 12 times higher than cats 
that eat dry food, and five times more than cats that eat poultry or 
beef canned foods, the study said. The chemicals build up in oceans 
and other water bodies and magnify in food chains.

However, much of the exposure -- for cats as well as people -- comes 
from dust, not food. 

Cats, while sleeping, often come in direct and prolonged contact 
with upholstery, carpeting and mattress materials that contain flame 
retardants. In addition, they often sit on electronic equipment. 

"Because of their meticulous grooming behavior, cats would 
effectively ingest any volatilized PBDEs or PBDE-laden dust that 
deposited on their fur during such activities," the scientists wrote.

Scientists say toddlers who crawl on floors and put objects in their 
mouths also can be highly 

Re: OT: Houston we have a problem (HELP!)

[Susan Dubose]

Oh, thanks Belinda,

Permission to forward?


Susan J. DuBose  >^..^<
www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
www.shadowcats.net
  "As Cleopatra lay in state,
   Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
   Purring welcomes of soft applause,
   Ever guarding with sharpened claws."
 Trajan Tennent




- Original Message - 
From: "Belinda" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2007 12:52 PM
Subject: Re: OT: Houston we have a problem (HELP!)


  With a cat this wild she may need to be on drugs to help calm her
down, fluoxetine worked best for us, (kitty prozac), it may calm her
down enough to get used to the new situation and once she has acclimated
maybe she can come off them.  I had to do this with Cody more because of
marking issues although there were a few spats because similar to the
kitty in question he had no idea how to interact with the other cats so
he would become defensive thinking he was being attacked.  Unlike the
other ladies cats mine wouldn't bow down to him so he became the outcast.

I tried all of the available drugs and only the fluoxetine made him
completely stop marking.  He was on it for probably 3 or 4 months, once
I took him off he does still marks on occasion when KC puts him in his
place but they all get along well enough for the most part and I can
deal with marking on the limited basis he does it now, don't like it but
I can deal with it.  He thankfully only marks in a couple of places.  If
he ever gets as bad as he was before, marking multiple times daily he
will go back on the drugs.

If she doesn't want to go that route, I didn't and let Cody mark for
over 6 months before I finally decided I had to do something, Rescue
Remedy never really worked on my guys but that may help and the Feliway
may also help.  I would say if she doesn't want to use drugs
introductions are going to have to start over at a very slow pace, if
she has the room to keep new kitty separate from those already there.
I've heard that rubbing a towel on the new kitty and then the old
established cats and vice versa will mix their scents so they all smell
the same, it's suppose to help, never tried it though.

Can she think of anything that happened recently before the change occurred?

-- 

Belinda
happiness is being owned by cats ...

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Re: OT: Houston we have a problem (HELP!)

[Belinda]

 With a cat this wild she may need to be on drugs to help calm her 
down, fluoxetine worked best for us, (kitty prozac), it may calm her 
down enough to get used to the new situation and once she has acclimated 
maybe she can come off them.  I had to do this with Cody more because of 
marking issues although there were a few spats because similar to the 
kitty in question he had no idea how to interact with the other cats so 
he would become defensive thinking he was being attacked.  Unlike the 
other ladies cats mine wouldn't bow down to him so he became the outcast.


I tried all of the available drugs and only the fluoxetine made him 
completely stop marking.  He was on it for probably 3 or 4 months, once 
I took him off he does still marks on occasion when KC puts him in his 
place but they all get along well enough for the most part and I can 
deal with marking on the limited basis he does it now, don't like it but 
I can deal with it.  He thankfully only marks in a couple of places.  If 
he ever gets as bad as he was before, marking multiple times daily he 
will go back on the drugs.


If she doesn't want to go that route, I didn't and let Cody mark for 
over 6 months before I finally decided I had to do something, Rescue 
Remedy never really worked on my guys but that may help and the Feliway 
may also help.  I would say if she doesn't want to use drugs 
introductions are going to have to start over at a very slow pace, if 
she has the room to keep new kitty separate from those already there.   
I've heard that rubbing a towel on the new kitty and then the old 
established cats and vice versa will mix their scents so they all smell 
the same, it's suppose to help, never tried it though.


Can she think of anything that happened recently before the change occurred?

--

Belinda
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OT: Houston we have a problem (HELP!)

[Susan Dubose]

Hi everyone,

Please read below and let me know if you have any suggestions for this kitty.

We have already recommended a veterinary exam, (Dr. Smith, feline expert 
extraordinaire) in case it's a medical problem.

I do not know this kitty, but she was rescued from our local pound after she 
was confiscated from a rescue group, along w/ 53 other cats.
Long story, but I will say that it was all politics and the rescue group was 
not @ fault.

Anyway, she has been in her new home for about 2 months and things seemed to be 
going fine, until recently.

Any suggestions would be most helpful.

Thanks!


"I'm having trouble getting into my address book so I'm attaching this 
to a previous note from you.  Abby is not a happy little girl and I don't know 
what to do about her.  I think she's schizophrenic.  In the morning she's a 
reasonable cat but by night she's a wild thing.  She's still making unprovoked 
attacks on the old cats who are now terrified of her.  It's to the point that 
they won't use their litter  boxes because she's lying in wait when they come 
out.  She takes their bowls away from them--doesn't eat the food but won't let 
them eat.  I've resorted to putting her in the guest room alone at night so she 
doesn't sneak up on Diana ( who sleeps on my pillow) and launch a battle at 
three in the morning.  And more, Abby has attacked me a couple of times in the 
last two days with claws and teeth.  I was barefoot at the time and she 
shredded the sole of my foot.  She can't be petted without fighting back, will 
not permit picking up, fights brushing, and is generally hostile.  No, I won't 
give her up...she might not survive another transfer.  But I've got to find a 
way to calm her down before she or one of the other girls gets hurt.  I've had 
Siamese all my life and these are not Siamese characteristics.  She comes and 
tells me she's hungry several times a day so I've resorted to giving her small 
meals at intervals during the day.  Since we haven't had storms in several 
days, she hasn't had the frantic reactions those brought, but she's really a 
mystery to me.  She seems to have no concept of human interaction and resents 
any attempt at stroking or petting.  Any ideas?  Thanks, "


Susan J. DuBose  >^..^<
www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
www.shadowcats.net
  "As Cleopatra lay in state,
   Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
   Purring welcomes of soft applause,
   Ever guarding with sharpened claws."
 Trajan Tennent

RE: Benjamin Please add to the CLS :(

[Melissa Lind]

Sherry,

 

You're such a great person to help these poor babies! It takes a lot of love
and a lot of strength. Thanks for all that you do. I'm sad for little Benny
and for you.

 

Melissa

 

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sherry DeHaan
Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 8:22 PM
To: Felvtalk
Subject: Benjamin Please add to the CLS :(

 

I am writing this in tears,Benny was such a sweet sweet black kitty.He was
just wasting away to nothing.I tried to get him to eat everytime I was
there.Monday he ate many treats(which he lived for) and a bit of canned
food.But he was down to 7 pounds from 14.We tried everything and Jen said WE
can't keep him here just for US it just is not fair to him.I agree but it
hurts so very much.I am sorry for all the sad posts I write,it is a hard job
volunteering for sick kitties.Thank you all for helping me through it all.

Sherry and our MANY fur angels

  

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Re: my email/joining FeLVtalk/editing your information/digest format

[wendy]

Hi Karen,

Go to :
www.felineleukemia.org
 
click on 'join the FeLV list' (the top middle brown button).
click on 'FeLVtalk mailing list information'
enter your info. there; if you want to receive each post as an email, don't 
check the digest option; the digest is if you want to receive all the postings 
from one day in one single email

someone asked a few days ago how to edit their info./change from digest format; 
you can do this from the same page (FeLVtalk mailing list information) at the 
bottom

:)
Wendy
 
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world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has!" ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~



- Original Message 
From: Karen Griffith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 11:55:43 PM
Subject: my email


I would like to be able to post to this list.  My email is [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
Thank you.
 
Karen


  

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