Re: [Felvtalk] Keeping strays - was Tiffany

[dlgegg]

If only people would have their pets neutered and spayed, so much sufferig 
would be avoided.

 Sandy  wrote: 
> Lorrie you are wonderful person!  
> I sure can't compare to what you have done - but I try to do what I can for 
> the voiceless. Currently fostering for Maine Coon Rescue and a couple local 
> rescue organizations. Of course, it's kitten season and the animal control 
> facilities are all in an urgent status - just can't find enough fosters and 
> funding. Sad situation - all over. 
>   
> Sandy 
> 
> - Original Message -
> 
> From: "Lorrie"  
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
> Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2016 5:21:36 PM 
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Keeping strays - was Tiffany 
> 
> On 05-14, dlg...@windstream.net wrote: 
> 
> 
> > ALL OF MY CATS WERE EITHER FERAL OR STRAYS.  tHEY SHOWED UP AND i KEPT 
> > THEM. 
> 
> Same with me. I can't turn them away and this is how I ended up with 
> 13 cats at home and 28 more in my shelter/sanctuary. 
> 
> Rescuing cats seems to be my calling in life and I always wanted to have a 
> sanctuary of my own, so in 2004 I bought a large two story brick building in 
> town and made it into a wonderful sanctuary for my overflow of rescued cats. 
> The cats are not in cages, they have many rooms in which to run. I have 
> completely transformed the building into a paradise for cats, with cat 
> posts, window perches, wall walks, tunnels and tall cat condos.  All 
> are neutered or spayed of course! 
> 
> I'm sure many of you know this so I won't go into more details. 
> 
> Lorrie 
> 
> 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Kokonut Felv+

[dlgegg]

Try baby food, just make sure it has no onion or garlic in it.

 Miss Olivia Valencia  wrote: 
> My cat is Kokonut 1/yo. She is Felv+. She got ill the other day, she had a 
> fever of 105. took her to vet . The vet gave her metacam,doxycycline & depo 
> medrol Her fever has come down a little. But she hasn't been eating & just 
> been laying in the same spot for the last couple of days. My sister has been 
> syringe feeding & hydrating her & also giving her some pedialyte. Any other 
> recommendations-For food & staying hydrating?  frown emoticon has anybody 
> else experienced this? whats to be expected?


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Re: [Felvtalk] Keeping strays - was Tiffany

[Sandy]

Lorrie you are wonderful person!  
I sure can't compare to what you have done - but I try to do what I can for the 
voiceless. Currently fostering for Maine Coon Rescue and a couple local rescue 
organizations. Of course, it's kitten season and the animal control facilities 
are all in an urgent status - just can't find enough fosters and funding. Sad 
situation - all over. 
  
Sandy 

- Original Message -

From: "Lorrie"  
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2016 5:21:36 PM 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Keeping strays - was Tiffany 

On 05-14, dlg...@windstream.net wrote: 


> ALL OF MY CATS WERE EITHER FERAL OR STRAYS.  tHEY SHOWED UP AND i KEPT THEM. 

Same with me. I can't turn them away and this is how I ended up with 
13 cats at home and 28 more in my shelter/sanctuary. 

Rescuing cats seems to be my calling in life and I always wanted to have a 
sanctuary of my own, so in 2004 I bought a large two story brick building in 
town and made it into a wonderful sanctuary for my overflow of rescued cats. 
The cats are not in cages, they have many rooms in which to run. I have 
completely transformed the building into a paradise for cats, with cat 
posts, window perches, wall walks, tunnels and tall cat condos.  All 
are neutered or spayed of course! 

I'm sure many of you know this so I won't go into more details. 

Lorrie 



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Re: [Felvtalk] Keeping strays - was Tiffany

[kat]

Lorrie,

 

Do you have pictures?  I would love to see what you've done!

 

Kat (Mew Jersey)

 

Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2016 at 5:21 PM
From: Lorrie 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Keeping strays - was Tiffany

On 05-14, dlg...@windstream.net wrote:


> ALL OF MY CATS WERE EITHER FERAL OR STRAYS. tHEY SHOWED UP AND i KEPT THEM.

Same with me. I can't turn them away and this is how I ended up with
13 cats at home and 28 more in my shelter/sanctuary.

Rescuing cats seems to be my calling in life and I always wanted to have a
sanctuary of my own, so in 2004 I bought a large two story brick building in
town and made it into a wonderful sanctuary for my overflow of rescued cats.
The cats are not in cages, they have many rooms in which to run. I have
completely transformed the building into a paradise for cats, with cat
posts, window perches, wall walks, tunnels and tall cat condos. All
are neutered or spayed of course!

I'm sure many of you know this so I won't go into more details.

Lorrie



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Re: [Felvtalk] Keeping strays - was Tiffany

[Lorrie]

On 05-14, dlg...@windstream.net wrote:


> ALL OF MY CATS WERE EITHER FERAL OR STRAYS.  tHEY SHOWED UP AND i KEPT THEM.

Same with me. I can't turn them away and this is how I ended up with
13 cats at home and 28 more in my shelter/sanctuary. 

Rescuing cats seems to be my calling in life and I always wanted to have a
sanctuary of my own, so in 2004 I bought a large two story brick building in
town and made it into a wonderful sanctuary for my overflow of rescued cats.
The cats are not in cages, they have many rooms in which to run. I have
completely transformed the building into a paradise for cats, with cat
posts, window perches, wall walks, tunnels and tall cat condos.  All
are neutered or spayed of course!

I'm sure many of you know this so I won't go into more details.

Lorrie



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Re: [Felvtalk] Tiffany

[dlgegg]

aLL OF MY CATS WERE EITHER FERAL OR STRAYS.  tHEY SHOWED UP AND i KEPT THEM.
 Amani Oakley  wrote: 
> Hi Lorrie
> 
> I totally agree with you. I too have seen people who will spend lavishly on 
> their own animals but wouldn't cross the street to help a homeless stray. But 
> Lorrie, I think those people are the minority. I think that once an animal 
> comes into your life and opens up your heart, it allows you to care a lot 
> more for the animals around you and be more empathetic about the plight of 
> animals other than your own.
> 
> As I said in my earlier post, given the depths people will descend to, I 
> would never put it past some unscrupulous clinics to abuse donor cats for 
> blood transfusions, but I believe that most vets are pretty ethical people 
> and most animal owners are animal lovers so I would think that any abuses are 
> in the minority. I think it makes excellent sense to keep your concerns in 
> mind though Lorrie, and to ask a lot of questions to ensure that donor cats 
> are well cared for at any clinic where blood transfusions are offered. As I 
> mentioned, up here in Canada - even though I live close to Toronto which is 
> pretty much the "centre of the universe" in Canada - there are extremely few 
> clinics where blood transfusion is even offered, and most are these ER 
> clinics where they charge you $100 just for the privilege of sitting in their 
> waiting area!
> 
> Amani
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
> Lorrie
> Sent: May-14-16 10:55 AM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Tiffany
> 
> 
> Post trimmed.
> 
> Thank you for writing to me, Amani.
> I just wrote about my experience with blood donations, but I did want to 
> comment on the paragraph below.  Sadly many clients who go to vet clinics do 
> not really love or care about cats other than their own.
> They will pay huge vet bills to keep their own cats or dogs alive and yet 
> they would not help a stray cat or dog. I have seen so much of this during my 
> long life and it really upsets me.
> 
> Lorrie
> 
> On 05-13, Amani Oakley wrote:
> > Lorrie
> > 
> > Perhaps you have had a bad experience wherever you went, but it seems 
> > odd to me that a clinic would offer cat blood transfusions (which are 
> > pretty high end treatments) and not treat the cats well because owners 
> > who would and could spend that kind of money on their cats are 
> > obviously very very concerned about animal welfare and would expect 
> > and demand a certain level of ethical treatment of the donor cats.
> > 
> > I wouldn't hesitate to transfuse a cat, if that was needed, but it is 
> > very expensive and out of the range of what most people can 
> > realistically afford. However, this is why I was so annoyed that no 
> > one told me about the Winstrol, because it probably could have saved 
> > me close to $10,000, not to mention the trauma of a transfusion on 
> > both donor and recipient!
> > 
> > Amani
> > 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Tiffany

[Amani Oakley]

Hi Lorrie

I totally agree with you. I too have seen people who will spend lavishly on 
their own animals but wouldn't cross the street to help a homeless stray. But 
Lorrie, I think those people are the minority. I think that once an animal 
comes into your life and opens up your heart, it allows you to care a lot more 
for the animals around you and be more empathetic about the plight of animals 
other than your own.

As I said in my earlier post, given the depths people will descend to, I would 
never put it past some unscrupulous clinics to abuse donor cats for blood 
transfusions, but I believe that most vets are pretty ethical people and most 
animal owners are animal lovers so I would think that any abuses are in the 
minority. I think it makes excellent sense to keep your concerns in mind though 
Lorrie, and to ask a lot of questions to ensure that donor cats are well cared 
for at any clinic where blood transfusions are offered. As I mentioned, up here 
in Canada - even though I live close to Toronto which is pretty much the 
"centre of the universe" in Canada - there are extremely few clinics where 
blood transfusion is even offered, and most are these ER clinics where they 
charge you $100 just for the privilege of sitting in their waiting area!

Amani



-Original Message-
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lorrie
Sent: May-14-16 10:55 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Tiffany


Post trimmed.

Thank you for writing to me, Amani.
I just wrote about my experience with blood donations, but I did want to 
comment on the paragraph below.  Sadly many clients who go to vet clinics do 
not really love or care about cats other than their own.
They will pay huge vet bills to keep their own cats or dogs alive and yet they 
would not help a stray cat or dog. I have seen so much of this during my long 
life and it really upsets me.

Lorrie

On 05-13, Amani Oakley wrote:
> Lorrie
> 
> Perhaps you have had a bad experience wherever you went, but it seems 
> odd to me that a clinic would offer cat blood transfusions (which are 
> pretty high end treatments) and not treat the cats well because owners 
> who would and could spend that kind of money on their cats are 
> obviously very very concerned about animal welfare and would expect 
> and demand a certain level of ethical treatment of the donor cats.
> 
> I wouldn't hesitate to transfuse a cat, if that was needed, but it is 
> very expensive and out of the range of what most people can 
> realistically afford. However, this is why I was so annoyed that no 
> one told me about the Winstrol, because it probably could have saved 
> me close to $10,000, not to mention the trauma of a transfusion on 
> both donor and recipient!
> 
> Amani
> 

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Re: [Felvtalk] Amani thoughts for Winstrol

[Amani Oakley]

Hi Rachel

I AM working today. I got up late since in fact, I was working until about 4:30 
a.m. That’s one thing about working for myself (with just my husband as my 
partner). There is only this single perk I have and that is that I don’t get up 
early since I generally work all night. I figure since I’m the boss, I don’t 
have to justify my hours to anyone else! Of course, if I have to go to court 
for motions or trials, then I have to get up early like the rest of the world, 
but frankly, when I am in court, I generally don’t go to bed at all. Fun, eh? 
And to think that one of the reasons I left the field of Medical Laboratory 
Technology and decided to be a lawyer was that I hated having to do midnight 
shifts. Now, it’s not a “shift”. I’m just up ALL night and work all day TOO.

Rachel, what I would love to do is have someone way smarter than me when it 
comes to websites, develop a website where we can collect the information about 
Winstrol. It is absolutely essential for us to collect credible objective 
scientific information if we are going to convince the vets to stop their 
ridiculous crusade against Winstrol. At worst, the drug may end up not being 
very effective in a particular case, but it isn’t a demon drug to be avoided at 
all costs, and frankly, I suspect that starting the Winstrol sooner would 
likely give the best outcome. I think, generally speaking, that when Winstrol 
is finally used, the cat is in pretty bad shape, all else has failed, and we 
are asking for a miracle. I have a lot of faith in Winstrol, but I know full 
well it doesn’t always work. However, I have used it and gotten amazing results 
in circumstances where the vets have told me that there is nothing they have to 
offer, and nothing will work. So why not try the Winstrol? I simply don’t get 
the reluctance.

I would love to get Winstrol for everyone and I am trying to keep track of 
anyone who lets me know they have used it and how they obtained it. 
Unfortunately, often people will not respond with that information when I ask. 
Perhaps they suddenly wonder if I am a fed, posing as a cat-lover to trap 
unwary online folks, looking to save their babies. And I wouldn’t want to 
expose my vet to criticism from colleagues. I think she is less of a skeptic 
than most, because I let her know what I have seen, but she came in mid-way 
during my ordeal with Zander. She wasn’t the first vet who diagnosed him and 
she never saw how bad he was because by then, I was at the ER clinic. However, 
she allowed me to try various medications regimes, and allowed me to take the 
weekly blood work while I assessed the different treatment modalities to 
determine what was working and what wasn’t. She saw Zander improve and was 
extremely impressed, but you know, once he recovered from what was deemed to be 
a death sentence, and after there was some daylight between the crisis and his 
current excellent condition, vets started to suggest to me that maybe it wasn’t 
FeLV after all. REALLY frustrating. There is no way to convince someone who 
insists on not being convinced – even with weekly lab results in hand and 
before and after lab results. Anyway, all that to say that if push comes to 
shove, I think my vet believes that the Winstrol saved Zander, but if 
confronted by other vets, I am sure she would temper her comments so she 
doesn’t appear foolish and out of step to them.

Ardy was generous with her information about where she was able to obtain the 
Winstrol and shared it with everyone, and it seems to me that this may be the 
most promising route. The trouble isn’t getting the Winstrol once you have a 
prescription – the problem is getting that prescription from your vet. Once you 
have that, you can order the medication online from a compounding pharmacy and 
Ardy let us know about the one she used which shipped to her from another state.

I think each of us who wants to try out the Winstrol, needs to have a talk with 
our vets, and explain to them that they are providing little in the way of 
options except euthanasia, and a trial of Winstrol is inexpensive and certainly 
not painful to the cat, so rather than simply putting the cat down, why not 
trying the Winstrol. Tell them that you understand the risk of liver damage, 
and again, given the alternative, you accept and recognize that risk but it is 
your understanding that while the liver enzymes often rise with the use of 
Winstrol, there is no evidence or scientific trials linking the use of Winstrol 
to any lasting liver damage. In the end, you are in charge. Of course the vet 
can refuse to provide the Winstrol and can decide he/she doesn’t want you for a 
client, so remain calm and not belligerent if you want to avoid that outcome. I 
would like to think that most vets, when faced with a logical, measured 
decision to try a specific course of treatment, would assist even if you don’t 
have their full support on the chosen treatment.

I think that once we have some 

Re: [Felvtalk] Tiffany

[Lorrie]

Post trimmed.

Thank you for writing to me, Amani.
I just wrote about my experience with blood donations, but I did want
to comment on the paragraph below.  Sadly many clients who go to vet
clinics do not really love or care about cats other than their own.
They will pay huge vet bills to keep their own cats or dogs alive and
yet they would not help a stray cat or dog. I have seen so much of
this during my long life and it really upsets me.

Lorrie

On 05-13, Amani Oakley wrote:
> Lorrie
> 
> Perhaps you have had a bad experience wherever you went, but it
> seems odd to me that a clinic would offer cat blood transfusions
> (which are pretty high end treatments) and not treat the cats well
> because owners who would and could spend that kind of money on
> their cats are obviously very very concerned about animal welfare
> and would expect and demand a certain level of ethical treatment of
> the donor cats.
> 
> I wouldn't hesitate to transfuse a cat, if that was needed, but it
> is very expensive and out of the range of what most people can
> realistically afford. However, this is why I was so annoyed that no
> one told me about the Winstrol, because it probably could have
> saved me close to $10,000, not to mention the trauma of a
> transfusion on both donor and recipient!
> 
> Amani 
> 

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Re: [Felvtalk] Amani thoughts for Winstrol

[Rachel Dagner]

Ugh! Well maybe armed with a packet from Amani and possibly a new vet... 
Unfortunately I think you have to have someone call it in for you, and that is 
the big problem with getting it. I think if I went to my vet with the 
information and said this is what I need to try and why, she would totally let 
me do it. After all, we could monitor for results and possible side effects and 
move to something else if needed. 

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> On May 14, 2016, at 9:42 AM, Lorrie  wrote:
> 
> 
> Great idea Rachel.  I hope Amani can tell us where to get Winstrol,
> as my vet is totally against it.
> -
> 
> I got a chuckle out of your idea of becoming a Winstrol drug dealer,
> and having Amani defend you!
> 
> Lorrie
> 
> 
>> On 05-14, Rachel Dagner wrote:
>>   Good Morning Amani,
>> 
>>   I hope you are not working today, lawyers need QOL too!
>> 
>>   I have been thinking about Winstrol and how hard it is for people to
>>   get their vets to get on board and how hard it is to find it. So I was
>>   thinking that maybe since you are the go to person for those of us
>>   looking to go this route, you could start a file of those who have
>>   tried it along with blood test results and notes or letters from vets,
>>   along with places we find that make Winstrol. You could then send the
>>   file to people to take with them to their vets. The more vets that try
>>   it and see results the more likely they are to try it again and share
>>   their experience with other vets.
>> 
>>   My second option would be that I could become a Winstrol kitty drug
>>   dealer, and if I got caught you could defend me. Then we could write a
>>   book about it.
>> 
>>   Option one sounds a little more promising though.
>> 
>>   Rachel
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Re: [Felvtalk] Amani thoughts for Winstrol

[Lorrie]

Great idea Rachel.  I hope Amani can tell us where to get Winstrol,
as my vet is totally against it.
-

I got a chuckle out of your idea of becoming a Winstrol drug dealer,
and having Amani defend you!

Lorrie


On 05-14, Rachel Dagner wrote:
>Good Morning Amani,
> 
>I hope you are not working today, lawyers need QOL too!
> 
>I have been thinking about Winstrol and how hard it is for people to
>get their vets to get on board and how hard it is to find it. So I was
>thinking that maybe since you are the go to person for those of us
>looking to go this route, you could start a file of those who have
>tried it along with blood test results and notes or letters from vets,
>along with places we find that make Winstrol. You could then send the
>file to people to take with them to their vets. The more vets that try
>it and see results the more likely they are to try it again and share
>their experience with other vets.
> 
>My second option would be that I could become a Winstrol kitty drug
>dealer, and if I got caught you could defend me. Then we could write a
>book about it.
> 
>Option one sounds a little more promising though.
> 
>Rachel
> 

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[Felvtalk] Amani thoughts for Winstrol

[Rachel Dagner]

Good Morning Amani,

I hope you are not working today, lawyers need QOL too!

I have been thinking about Winstrol and how hard it is for people to get their 
vets to get on board and how hard it is to find it. So I was thinking that 
maybe since you are the go to person for those of us looking to go this route, 
you could start a file of those who have tried it along with blood test results 
and notes or letters from vets, along with places we find that make Winstrol. 
You could then send the file to people to take with them to their vets. The 
more vets that try it and see results the more likely they are to try it again 
and share their experience with other vets. 

My second option would be that I could become a Winstrol kitty drug dealer, and 
if I got caught you could defend me. Then we could write a book about it.

Option one sounds a little more promising though.

Rachel 

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