Re: [Felvtalk] Uveitis...

[Ardy Robertson]

Wondering what the vet’s reason for not wanting to prescribe Winstrol?

Ardy

 

 

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CHAPEL
Sent: Wednesday, June 8, 2016 10:09 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Uveitis...

 

Thank you all for your suggestions re: Uveitis.  As I wrote the original note 
more than a week ago much has happened since  I went back to see the Vet 
expecting to get Winstrol and got a different vet instead.  THIS one prescribed 
Prednisolone Opthalmic Ointment 3-4X qd for the badly affected eye 2x for the 
less affected... Oral Prednisolone for two weeks ( diminishing dose) and 
Buprenorphine for pain..  My guy is improving quite a bit and I am so 
happy.  BUT... this vet is not on board with prescribing Winstrol ...  
Won't go into my impressions as to why at this time. Anyone know if 
improvement lasts for any length of time once the cortisone is discontinued or 
must it be continued ( at a lower dose) indefinitely.  From Everything I 
have read this is a generally chronic condition that only remits

Againthank you all for your input and suggestions  It is a BIG help.

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Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv

[Ardy Robertson]

Yes, with the exception of Cally who is vaccinated, my cats are indoor-only 
except when I carry them outside on walks. The vet said it is possible that a 
mouse or bat could get inside, but not too likely.

 

 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Rachel 
Dagner
Sent: Wednesday, June 8, 2016 9:42 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv

 

That book I mentioned by Dr. Martin Goldstein mentions all kinds of illnesses 
that happened to animals coinciding with vaccines. Many vets believe that after 
a couple of vaccines they are protected for life, Goldstein does something 
called tittering so he can check the antibodies of his patients to know if they 
need to have another vaccine. How likely is it that our cats will get rabies? 
Slim to none and slim is out of town! Sorry about Scotchie. :( Horrible. 

 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
 ] On Behalf Of Ardy Robertson
Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2016 1:43 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org  
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv

 

I’m not wild about rabies vaccinations either. My Butterscotch (“Scotchie”) 
died right after having a rabies vaccination!

Ardy

 

 

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Dagner
Sent: Tuesday, June 7, 2016 3:33 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org  
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv

 

I have never heard of that, and I have read a lot about it.  And if they can’t 
determine the difference how do they know one is more fatal? What did he say 
about keeping them healthy? I still think that is the most important thing of 
all, stop problems before they start. Has anyone’s vet ever advised them 
against vaccines for a FELV cat, or minimal vaccines, or spacing them out, 
being they have a compromised immune system? 

 

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 ] On Behalf Of Realissa Dekraunti
Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2016 4:02 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org  
Subject: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv

 

I took my cats to a new vet, today. He said that FELV A is less fatal than FELV 
C. He said there is no way to determine which type of FELV they have. Is it 
true? I think people on this forum know more than many vets. 

 

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Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv

[Ardy Robertson]

In Wisconsin, rabies vaccinations are actually required for dogs, but not
for cats. But a lot of vets will not treat a cat that is not rabies
vaccinated. Since Scotchie died from a rabies vaccination, I do not
vaccinate for it unless they make me. Cally had to have surgery to be
spayed, so she had to be vaccinated for rabies and she came through fine.
And Topaz was already vaccinated when I adopted her.

I know a very reputable dog trainer who actually runs a doggie day-care and
training center, and she has three dogs of her own and does not have them
vaccinated for rabies - I have no idea how she gets by with it, but she
believes rabies vaccinations are bad. She also is an advocate for feeding
raw meat to her animals, and no commercial dog food.

Thank you,
Ardy Robertson, Clerk
Town of Garfield - Jackson County, WI
N14438 Valleybrook Ln
Osseo  WI  54758
715-533-0661


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Rachel Dagner
Sent: Wednesday, June 8, 2016 9:17 AM
To: felineres...@frontier.com; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv

That is very good to know, thank you for sharing. My Chihuahua is 11 and she
has always had a bad reaction to vaccines, the last 3 year rabies shot she
got about 6 months ago resulted in a bump between her hip and rib cage that
is still there, they said it is nothing to worry about, but I do not think I
will get the rabies vaccine for her again. I pray that they are right and
the bump is nothing and will eventually go away.

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From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Lorrie
Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2016 8:38 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv

>Has anyone's vet ever advised them against vaccines for a FELV
>cat, or minimal vaccines, or spacing them out, being they have a
>compromised immune system?
-

My vet will not give vaccinations to any FelV cats, nor to any of my old
cats.  She also does not tell me to euthanize a FelV cat. Some positive cats
can live long lives in spite of having the virus.
-

It is encouraging to know that FelV is NOT a death sentence with every cat.
Usually if is fatal with kittens however, as their immune systems are not
fully developed.


Lorrie

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Re: [Felvtalk] regarding: Raltegravir for Felv

[Ardy Robertson]

I googled ‘Raltegravir HIV integrase inhibitor for feline FeLV’ and several 
articles popped up… I have a million things to get done tonight so I don’t have 
time to read them all tonight, but perhaps the information is online.

 

Ardy

 

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Realissa Dekraunti
Sent: Wednesday, June 8, 2016 8:43 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] regarding: Raltegravir for Felv

 

the lady has not responded and has not seen my messages. I am desperately 
trying to get ahole of her. I don't know if it is appropriate to share her name 
here on this group? So, maybe you can all help me to get ahold of her? Her 
story is very inspiring 

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Re: [Felvtalk] uveitis

[Jane Gannon]

- Original Message - 
From: "Jane Gannon" 

To: 
Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2016 10:24 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] uveitis



Hi Bob,

I have had uveitis in two of my positive cats.  One we gave metacam (many 
vets will not use this anymore as it can cause kidney disease) and  neo 
poly dex opthalmic ointment.  It did clear it up. The other one we gave 
the same ointment and a shot of depo medrol and this also cleared it up. 
This is an inflammation of the eye and must be treated with something to 
treat inflammation such as prednisone or metacam along with the ointment. 
Doing nothing is not the answer.  Sometimes vets do have different 
opinions but you should pick the one you think is right. Or get a third 
opinionI feel very bad for your kitty as this is very painful.


Jane

- Original Message - 
From: 

To: 
Sent: Monday, June 06, 2016 4:24 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] uveitis



Amani, I am glad we hae you in the group!


 Amani Oakley  wrote:
Bob, I’d be giving the cortisone treatment a try, but because this 
problem is caused by the FeLV virus, you really have to go after the 
virus itself. Trying to fight the battle to save the eyes on their own, 
won’t be enough while the virus is still attacking the body. Try the 
Winstrol with prednisone and doxycycline, along with the corticol 
topical treatment.


Amani

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
ROBERT CHAPEL

Sent: May-27-16 11:31 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] uveitis

Wonder if anyone has has any success with treating Uveitis in FeLV 
cats.  I've had my 10 mo. old guy to two different Vets...One 
prescribed tribple ABX with Corticosteroid which had no appreciable 
effect the other vet counseled against using Cortisones due to the 
risk of Corneal Ulcers Without treatment my guy is now losing his 
vision...he has blood in the Anterior Chamber in both eyes and Lens 
clouding in the right eye.  It is getting VERY troubling when I get 
different opinions about something so important  I'm having rather a 
difficult time sitting by and letting my guy go blind. The 
Literature all points to Corticosteroid Drops as the first line 
treatment  but this is for the disease as it affects so called " 
normal " cats. Which is the lesser of evils with Cortisone Tx in 
this case..??


Currently following Amani's suggestion from a while ago and rinsing his 
eyes a few times a day with Contact Lens Solution to keep them from 
Gunking up but.  He IS losing and none of the vets appear at all 
inclined to do further testing.   Again  it's like they are 
saying " Oh isn't it nice that you want to save this sweet FeLV Kitty 
but, really, don't try TOO hard"


Bob
Warwick NY



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Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv

[Ardy Robertson]

My vet never said that exactly, but the pet store manager told me the FeLV
vaccine is not a good idea.

Ardy

-Original Message-
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Lorrie
Sent: Wednesday, June 8, 2016 7:38 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv

>Has anyone's vet ever advised them against vaccines for a FELV
>cat, or minimal vaccines, or spacing them out, being they have a
>compromised immune system?
-
 
My vet will not give vaccinations to any FelV cats, nor to any of my old
cats.  She also does not tell me to euthanize a FelV cat. Some positive cats
can live long lives in spite of having the virus.
-

It is encouraging to know that FelV is NOT a death sentence with every cat.
Usually if is fatal with kittens however, as their immune systems are not
fully developed.  


Lorrie

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Re: [Felvtalk] Tucker

[Ardy Robertson]

I’m just so happy that you had that kind of relationship with your fur-baby. 
The memories are wonderful. I recently adopted another cat even though I said I 
would not. No one will ever take Tigger’s place in my heart, but Topaz is 
easing the pain. I may never have that bond that I had with Tigger or like you 
had with Tucker, but I figured that was not a reason to not try again, and with 
all the little homeless kitties, I think Tigger would have wanted me to help 
another kitty. Certainly take your time, but I hope you can open your heart 
again at some point.

 

Ardy

 

 

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Dagner
Sent: Wednesday, June 8, 2016 7:22 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Tucker

 

Thank you everyone for your kind replies. I knew it was going to be hard for 
me, it has been even harder than I ever imagined. I went through all of my 
adorable pictures of him last night. Remembered him how he was and imagined him 
that way again. He was such a cool and handsome little guy. I only had him for 
a year and a half. In that time we went through so much. Emergency vet visits, 
surgeries, worry. I wouldn't change it for the world though. He touched my life 
and heart so much. I opted for a private cremation, so I can keep him close to 
me always. I was the one person in his life that he loved and adored more than 
anything, and he never doubted my love for him.  

Sent from my iPhone


On Jun 8, 2016, at 8:02 AM, Katherine K.  > wrote:

I'm sorry about Tucker and for the pain you feel. I hope the happy memories you 
shared bring you comfort during this difficult time. We're here for you. 

 

On Wed, Jun 8, 2016 at 1:37 AM, Ardy Robertson  > wrote:

I'm so sorry for your loss of Tucker.

Ardy

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 ] On Behalf Of
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Sent: Tuesday, June 7, 2016 9:33 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org  
Subject: [Felvtalk] Tucker

I lost him yesterday morning. He was having a really hard time breathing due
to the tumor in his chest. It was time, they got me in right away. It was so
very hard to say goodbye. I haven't been able to quit crying since.
It's so unbelievably hard, even knowing that it would happen soon. I miss
him so much. Everything reminds me of him. I am at work luckily alone today,
and can't quit crying. I had him with me at work last week and he was laying
on my desk and purring and sleeping. It's just so hard to believe he is
gone. I sat in the parking lot at my vets for at least an hour with my car
door open, just in case he spirit needed to get inside and come home with
me. I know it will get better, but right now the pain is just unbearable. I
know that those here who have gone through this understand where I am right
now.

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Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv

[Ardy Robertson]

Amani - would you agree that Tigger's was the same type that Zander had also
then? And I feel that the Winstrol was working for Tigger's bone marrow also
- it just did not have enough time, in other words if I had gotten the
Winstrol into him a few months earlier, we likely would have seen more long
term improvement.

Ardy

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From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Amani Oakley
Sent: Wednesday, June 8, 2016 12:46 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv

That's interesting information. That also means that what my little Zander
had would have been the FeLV C form because his bone marrow was completely
shut down AND the Winstrol regimen worked on what, according to the vet, is
the most lethal form.

Amani

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From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Realissa Dekraunti
Sent: June-08-16 1:42 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv

To answer your question, he said that the full blown symptoms determine the
type of Felv. Meaning that bone murrow consumption is a typical sign of Felv
C. The strains were identified in Vitro BUT there is no way to differentiate
them through a test. I don't know what to say. I don't trust vets because
they don't care enough.



Sent from my iPhone

> On 07 giu 2016, at 13:01, Realissa Dekraunti 
wrote:
> 
> I took my cats to a new vet, today. He said that FELV A is less fatal than
FELV C. He said there is no way to determine which type of FELV they have.
Is it true? I think people on this forum know more than many vets. 
> 
> Thanks a lot 

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Re: [Felvtalk] Drug used for felv

[Margo]

My guess would be that there really hasn't been much indication it works. Cats 
can test negative, and just be in "remission". It's still there, in the marrow, 
and most people aren't going to do that kind of testing, and I'm not sure how 
reliable ANY of the tests are. It seems that in that condition, they are not 
cured, but they also don't seem to be contagious.

Margo

I like the list.


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>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Drug used for felv
>
>Yes, Amani, I read those articles, but, still, I would like to hear from that 
>lady whose cat came back testing negative. I contacted her facebook friends 
>too, no luck.
>
>I know this drug is used for HIV in humans and Felv is similar to HIV.
>
>I am very grateful for this list, but, sorry to say this, the format is very 
>confusing, time consuming. Maybe it's me who I don't know how to use it? The 
>messages don't group together in threads and I have to change the subjecy 
>every time I have to reply to a tread.
>
>Again, I am VERT grateful for this list but I was wondering if there's a 
>better way to manage the messages
>Sent from my iPhone
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>> On 08 giu 2016, at 13:24, felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org wrote:
>> 
>> sayin?.
>> 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Uveitis...

[Amani Oakley]

Really really interesting Margo. I had no idea but that was my experience with 
cats as well. They seem to have a weird metabolism that just thrives on 
steroids and, as far as I can tell so far anyway, they don’t seem to have a lot 
of downside effects either. Good to know my instincts all these years were 
something more than just conjecture. Thank you for that information.

Amani

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Margo
Sent: June-08-16 5:51 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Uveitis...

Old Vet saying when confronted with unknown unresponsive conditions in cats; 
"never let a cat die without benefit of steroids"

In a last ditch effort, steroids "the silver bullet" can sometimes pull a dying 
cat back, and in most cases no-one really understands why. I have one here now.

So I'm with Amani. They're often worth a shot. But they do need to be tapered 
off.

Margo
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From: Amani Oakley
Sent: Jun 8, 2016 4:11 PM
To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org"
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Uveitis...


Actually Rachel, with cats, who have a very different metabolism than we do (or 
dogs for that matter) they seem to do very very well on steroids and do not 
suffer the kinds of side effects one sees in humans on long term prednisone 
use, etc.

Amani

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Rachel 
Dagner
Sent: June-08-16 11:43 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Uveitis...

What a relief it is helping, I am so glad!  I pray that it is not chronic, 
taking steroids for long periods especially for life is not good. If it does 
turn out to be chronic maybe you could ask a holistic vet what they use that is 
more natural and easier on the system for long term use, and see if that works 
so you can try to wean off the prednisone, it would be worth a try at least, I 
searched uveitis in my handy Marty Goldstein book, and it says a company called 
Eli Lilly invested millions of dollars in researching animal glandulars, they 
used cow eye protein for uveitis, one of the companies he uses for his 
glandulars is called Standard Process you can’t buy their products unless you 
are a qualified health care professional ( I looked them up) but maybe your vet 
can help you get something like that to try if needed. I have read that you 
should never stop prednisone suddenly so I am glad he told you to do a 
diminishing dose.

From: Felvtalk 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org]
 On Behalf Of ROBERT CHAPEL
Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2016 11:09 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Uveitis...

Thank you all for your suggestions re: Uveitis.  As I wrote the original note 
more than a week ago much has happened since  I went back to see the Vet 
expecting to get Winstrol and got a different vet instead.  THIS one prescribed 
Prednisolone Opthalmic Ointment 3-4X qd for the badly affected eye 2x for the 
less affected... Oral Prednisolone for two weeks ( diminishing dose) and 
Buprenorphine for pain..  My guy is improving quite a bit and I am so 
happy.  BUT... this vet is not on board with prescribing Winstrol ...  
Won't go into my impressions as to why at this time. Anyone know if 
improvement lasts for any length of time once the cortisone is discontinued or 
must it be continued ( at a lower dose) indefinitely.  From Everything I 
have read this is a generally chronic condition that only remits
Againthank you all for your input and suggestions  It is a BIG help.
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Re: [Felvtalk] Uveitis...

[Margo]

Old Vet saying when confronted with unknown unresponsive conditions in cats; "never let a cat die without benefit of steroids"In a last ditch effort, steroids "the silver bullet" can sometimes pull a dying cat back, and in most cases no-one really understands why. I have one here now. So I'm with Amani. They're often worth a shot. But they do need to be tapered off.Margo-Original Message-
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To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Uveitis...














Actually Rachel, with cats, who have a very different metabolism than we do (or dogs for that matter) they seem to do very very well on steroids and do not suffer
 the kinds of side effects one sees in humans on long term prednisone use, etc.
 
Amani
 


From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org]
On Behalf Of Rachel Dagner
Sent: June-08-16 11:43 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Uveitis...


 
What a relief it is helping, I am so glad!  I pray that it is not chronic, taking steroids for long periods especially for life is not good. If
 it does turn out to be chronic maybe you could ask a holistic vet what they use that is more natural and easier on the system for long term use, and see if that works so you can try to wean off the prednisone, it would be worth a try at least, I searched uveitis
 in my handy Marty Goldstein book, and it says a company called Eli Lilly invested millions of dollars in researching animal glandulars, they used cow eye protein for uveitis, one of the companies he uses for his glandulars is called Standard Process you can’t
 buy their products unless you are a qualified health care professional ( I looked them up) but maybe your vet can help you get something like that to try if needed. I have read that you should never stop prednisone suddenly so I am glad he told you to do a
 diminishing dose. 
 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org]
On Behalf Of ROBERT CHAPEL
Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2016 11:09 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Uveitis...

 
Thank you all for your suggestions re: Uveitis.  As I wrote the original note more than a week ago much has happened since  I went back to see the Vet expecting to get Winstrol and got a different vet instead.  THIS
 one prescribed Prednisolone Opthalmic Ointment 3-4X qd for the badly affected eye 2x for the less affected... Oral Prednisolone for two weeks ( diminishing dose) and Buprenorphine for pain..  My guy is improving quite a bit and I am so happy.  BUT...
 this vet is not on board with prescribing Winstrol ...  Won't go into my impressions as to why at this time. Anyone know if improvement lasts for any length of time once the cortisone is discontinued or must it be continued ( at a lower dose) indefinitely. 
 From Everything I have read this is a generally chronic condition that only remits

Againthank you all for your input and suggestions  It is a BIG help.






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Re: [Felvtalk] Uveitis...

[Rachel Dagner]

I know you feel that way. I still can’t help but worry about long term use
with something that suppresses the immune system when they are so
susceptible to other infections and cancers as it is. If there is no other
option besides long term use then it is what it is. I just hope Bob’s kitty
doesn’t need it long term or at least can take the least amount possible to
control it, and I hope there is something else he can use to help control
it better so he needs less.  I gave Tucker prednisone right up until the
end so we could spend every moment possible together. Without it I wouldn’t
have gotten that extra month and a half with him. I wish it could have kept
him going forever.



*From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf Of
*Amani Oakley
*Sent:* Wednesday, June 08, 2016 4:11 PM
*To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
*Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Uveitis...



Actually Rachel, with cats, who have a very different metabolism than we do
(or dogs for that matter) they seem to do very very well on steroids and do
not suffer the kinds of side effects one sees in humans on long term
prednisone use, etc.



Amani



*From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
] *On Behalf Of *Rachel Dagner
*Sent:* June-08-16 11:43 AM
*To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
*Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Uveitis...



What a relief it is helping, I am so glad!  I pray that it is not chronic,
taking steroids for long periods especially for life is not good. If it
does turn out to be chronic maybe you could ask a holistic vet what they
use that is more natural and easier on the system for long term use, and
see if that works so you can try to wean off the prednisone, it would be
worth a try at least, I searched uveitis in my handy Marty Goldstein book,
and it says a company called Eli Lilly invested millions of dollars in
researching animal glandulars, they used cow eye protein for uveitis, one
of the companies he uses for his glandulars is called Standard Process you
can’t buy their products unless you are a qualified health care
professional ( I looked them up) but maybe your vet can help you get
something like that to try if needed. I have read that you should never
stop prednisone suddenly so I am glad he told you to do a diminishing dose.



*From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf Of
*ROBERT CHAPEL
*Sent:* Wednesday, June 08, 2016 11:09 AM
*To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
*Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Uveitis...



Thank you all for your suggestions re: Uveitis.  As I wrote the original
note more than a week ago much has happened since  I went back to see
the Vet expecting to get Winstrol and got a different vet instead.  THIS
one prescribed Prednisolone Opthalmic Ointment 3-4X qd for the badly
affected eye 2x for the less affected... Oral Prednisolone for two weeks (
diminishing dose) and Buprenorphine for pain..  My guy is improving
quite a bit and I am so happy.  BUT... this vet is not on board with
prescribing Winstrol ...  Won't go into my impressions as to why at this
time. Anyone know if improvement lasts for any length of time once
the cortisone is discontinued or must it be continued ( at a lower dose)
indefinitely.  From Everything I have read this is a generally chronic
condition that only remits

Againthank you all for your input and suggestions  It is a BIG help.
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Re: [Felvtalk] Drug used for felv

[Amani Oakley]

One of the two papers suggests that the viral load decrease is temporary, so 
that may be why the FeLV tests might come back negative. However, the paper 
suggests that the viral load will return, though the abstract doesn't get into 
the effect on the cat's health.

Amani

-Original Message-
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
Realissa Dekraunti
Sent: June-08-16 4:34 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Drug used for felv

Yes, Amani, I read those articles, but, still, I would like to hear from that 
lady whose cat came back testing negative. I contacted her facebook friends 
too, no luck.

I know this drug is used for HIV in humans and Felv is similar to HIV.

I am very grateful for this list, but, sorry to say this, the format is very 
confusing, time consuming. Maybe it's me who I don't know how to use it? The 
messages don't group together in threads and I have to change the subjecy every 
time I have to reply to a tread.

Again, I am VERT grateful for this list but I was wondering if there's a better 
way to manage the messages Sent from my iPhone

> On 08 giu 2016, at 13:24, felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org wrote:
> 
> sayin?.
> 

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Re: [Felvtalk] Drug used for felv

[Realissa Dekraunti]

Yes, Amani, I read those articles, but, still, I would like to hear from that 
lady whose cat came back testing negative. I contacted her facebook friends 
too, no luck.

I know this drug is used for HIV in humans and Felv is similar to HIV.

I am very grateful for this list, but, sorry to say this, the format is very 
confusing, time consuming. Maybe it's me who I don't know how to use it? The 
messages don't group together in threads and I have to change the subjecy every 
time I have to reply to a tread.

Again, I am VERT grateful for this list but I was wondering if there's a better 
way to manage the messages
Sent from my iPhone

> On 08 giu 2016, at 13:24, felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org wrote:
> 
> sayin?.
> 

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Re: [Felvtalk] regarding: Raltegravir for Felv

[Amani Oakley]

Rachel,

I am so below water right now, it is just a pipe dream that this point!

Amani

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Rachel 
Dagner
Sent: June-08-16 4:19 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] regarding: Raltegravir for Felv

Amani – This would have been nice information to add to the website… just 
sayin’.

From: Felvtalk 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org]
 On Behalf Of Amani Oakley
Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2016 3:42 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] regarding: Raltegravir for Felv

Realissa,,

You can just do your own research on line. It is helpful to know the science 
behind it, and I have now found some articles online. This is a drug used in 
AIDS patients, and because the AIDS virus and FeLV are so similar, this is why 
they are looking to use it for FeLV. I have attached two scientific papers, but 
there are more. I only had time to find these two – from credible sources – to 
share for now.

I tried to attach them, but the annoying bounce back happened. (REALLY – please 
pay attention folks who host this group! This is very very time-consuming to 
always get these boucebacks and my attachments WEREN’T that large – 157 KB and 
98 KB.)

Anyhow  - the titles of the articles, if anyone wants to look them up 
yourselves, are:

Discovery of Drugs that Possess Activity Against Feline Leukemia Virus – 
Journal of General Virology (2012), 93, 900-905 and

Evaluation of the effect of short term treatment with the integrase inhibitor 
raltegravir (lsentress) on the course of progressive feline leukemia virus 
infection – Vet. Microbiol. 2015 Feb 25; 175(2-4)


Amani

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
Realissa Dekraunti
Sent: June-08-16 9:43 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] regarding: Raltegravir for Felv

the lady has not responded and has not seen my messages. I am desperately 
trying to get ahole of her. I don't know if it is appropriate to share her name 
here on this group? So, maybe you can all help me to get ahold of her? Her 
story is very inspiring
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Re: [Felvtalk] regarding: Raltegravir for Felv

[Rachel Dagner]

Amani – This would have been nice information to add to the website… just
sayin’.



*From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf Of
*Amani Oakley
*Sent:* Wednesday, June 08, 2016 3:42 PM
*To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
*Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] regarding: Raltegravir for Felv



Realissa,,



You can just do your own research on line. It is helpful to know the
science behind it, and I have now found some articles online. This is a
drug used in AIDS patients, and because the AIDS virus and FeLV are so
similar, this is why they are looking to use it for FeLV. I have attached
two scientific papers, but there are more. I only had time to find these
two – from credible sources – to share for now.



I tried to attach them, but the annoying bounce back happened. (REALLY –
please pay attention folks who host this group! This is very very
time-consuming to always get these boucebacks and my attachments WEREN’T
that large – 157 KB and 98 KB.)



Anyhow  - the titles of the articles, if anyone wants to look them up
yourselves, are:



Discovery of Drugs that Possess Activity Against Feline Leukemia Virus –
Journal of General Virology (2012), 93, 900-905 and



Evaluation of the effect of short term treatment with the integrase
inhibitor raltegravir (lsentress) on the course of progressive feline
leukemia virus infection – Vet. Microbiol. 2015 Feb 25; 175(2-4)





Amani



*From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
] *On Behalf Of *Realissa Dekraunti
*Sent:* June-08-16 9:43 AM
*To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
*Subject:* [Felvtalk] regarding: Raltegravir for Felv



the lady has not responded and has not seen my messages. I am desperately
trying to get ahole of her. I don't know if it is appropriate to share her
name here on this group? So, maybe you can all help me to get ahold of her?
Her story is very inspiring
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Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv

[Rachel Dagner]

I agree completely, laws can cause some problems in my reasoning on this
subject, I think I know what I would choose for an inside FELV kitty
though, and it seems as if at least Lorrie’s vet agrees as he will not do
them on her FELV cats for a reason. And it seems as if a vet agreed that an
animal’s immune system was compromised and couldn’t handle more
vaccinations, without serious complications or death, that that should come
into play in the stupid laws we have. Sorry, but I am upset about my dogs
reactions, and do not want to put her through more rabies vaccines, she has
had it 8 times, enough is enough. Tucker started having horrible UTIs after
his vaccines, not one problem before that, coincidence? Maybe. And I read
they give my 5lb Chihuahua the same amount of vaccine they give a St
Bernard? Something seems wrong there! It might have already caused her
irreversible harm. My nephew was bit by a dog in Texas and they didn’t have
rabies shots, the dog was quarantined and then sent home. I am surprised
they still do testing the other way if you can quarantine an animal?
Anyways for anyone with a FELV cat who doesn’t want to skip rabies I agree
the others should be skipped or at least closely looked at for the need for
them for an inside cat, and I think this should be suggested by this group
as people come here for help, it could be the difference between life and
death for their cat, getting a ton of vaccines could be just the ticket to
sending the functioning system into FELV hell. And if they get the rabies
vaccine because they are scared not to because of laws or the chance of a
scratch or bite from their cat, who without a doubt does not have rabies, I
would say focus extra hard on pumping up the immune system at least a few
weeks before and a few weeks after, to give them the best chance, and then
pray. I hope someday they go from the 3 year shot to the 5 year shot or
better yet to one or two shots in the animals entire life. After all do we
get the vaccines we received as children year after year after year for the
same exact things, and if we did would we get them all in one fell swoop in
one office visit? No. Rabies is such a extremely rare thing these days, and
has been for a very long time, it is sad we are forced into killing our
animal family members with this overused vaccine. There has to be a better
way. The number of cats I heard of having injection site sarcoma or however
the heck you spell it on cancer sites is sad beyond belief, it is
unnecessarily taken animals lives and caused suffering for not only them
but for their humans as well. Ok rant over. Sorry but it really upsets me.
Amani can we please file a lawsuit against someone? I think what we have
here is a case of wrongful death to so many animals we couldn’t even count
them.



*From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf Of
*Margo
*Sent:* Wednesday, June 08, 2016 2:52 PM
*To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
*Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv





"Titer" with one "t". An option in some cases, but by no means a guarantee.
I seldom vaccinate against anything but Rabies past the first booster, but
skipping Rabies can become problematic, since it is (generally) legally
mandated.  Which means that a pet with no proof of vaccination can be
subject to seizure, quarantine and sometimes forced testing. Testing for
rabies is done using the head/brain of an animal. Check your local laws
before deciding. There are many situations where a cat can be accused of
exposing someone to rabies, and even a scratch to a visitor, neighbor or
passerby can bring Rabies laws into play.

I do use the Purevax three year rabies, which is recognized in my State.

>From this article;

http://www.catster.com/lifestyle/antibody-titers-cat-vaccinations-cats-vaccines-ask-a-vet

"Sadly, at this time titers also appear to be of little use in determining
whether cats require other vaccines, such as those against rabies,
coronavirus (FIP), or feline leukemia virus. This is partly because titers
for these diseases are not readily available in a commercial setting, and
partly because less is understood about whether titers offer an accurate
approximation of immunity for these diseases. Bear in mind that rabies
vaccines in cats are often mandated by law, and that most jurisdictions
will not consider titers in lieu of vaccination."

Margo

-Original Message-
From: Rachel Dagner
Sent: Jun 8, 2016 10:41 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv


That book I mentioned by Dr. Martin Goldstein mentions all kinds of
illnesses that happened to animals coinciding with vaccines. Many vets
believe that after a couple of vaccines they are protected for life,
Goldstein does something called tittering so he can check the antibodies of
his patients to know if they need to have another vaccine. How likely is it
that our cats will get rabies? Slim to none and slim is out of town! Sorry
about 

Re: [Felvtalk] Uveitis...

[Amani Oakley]

Actually Rachel, with cats, who have a very different metabolism than we do (or 
dogs for that matter) they seem to do very very well on steroids and do not 
suffer the kinds of side effects one sees in humans on long term prednisone 
use, etc.

Amani

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Rachel 
Dagner
Sent: June-08-16 11:43 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Uveitis...

What a relief it is helping, I am so glad!  I pray that it is not chronic, 
taking steroids for long periods especially for life is not good. If it does 
turn out to be chronic maybe you could ask a holistic vet what they use that is 
more natural and easier on the system for long term use, and see if that works 
so you can try to wean off the prednisone, it would be worth a try at least, I 
searched uveitis in my handy Marty Goldstein book, and it says a company called 
Eli Lilly invested millions of dollars in researching animal glandulars, they 
used cow eye protein for uveitis, one of the companies he uses for his 
glandulars is called Standard Process you can’t buy their products unless you 
are a qualified health care professional ( I looked them up) but maybe your vet 
can help you get something like that to try if needed. I have read that you 
should never stop prednisone suddenly so I am glad he told you to do a 
diminishing dose.

From: Felvtalk 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org]
 On Behalf Of ROBERT CHAPEL
Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2016 11:09 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Uveitis...

Thank you all for your suggestions re: Uveitis.  As I wrote the original note 
more than a week ago much has happened since  I went back to see the Vet 
expecting to get Winstrol and got a different vet instead.  THIS one prescribed 
Prednisolone Opthalmic Ointment 3-4X qd for the badly affected eye 2x for the 
less affected... Oral Prednisolone for two weeks ( diminishing dose) and 
Buprenorphine for pain..  My guy is improving quite a bit and I am so 
happy.  BUT... this vet is not on board with prescribing Winstrol ...  
Won't go into my impressions as to why at this time. Anyone know if 
improvement lasts for any length of time once the cortisone is discontinued or 
must it be continued ( at a lower dose) indefinitely.  From Everything I 
have read this is a generally chronic condition that only remits
Againthank you all for your input and suggestions  It is a BIG help.
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Re: [Felvtalk] regarding: Raltegravir for Felv

[Amani Oakley]

Realissa,,

You can just do your own research on line. It is helpful to know the science 
behind it, and I have now found some articles online. This is a drug used in 
AIDS patients, and because the AIDS virus and FeLV are so similar, this is why 
they are looking to use it for FeLV. I have attached two scientific papers, but 
there are more. I only had time to find these two – from credible sources – to 
share for now.

I tried to attach them, but the annoying bounce back happened. (REALLY – please 
pay attention folks who host this group! This is very very time-consuming to 
always get these boucebacks and my attachments WEREN’T that large – 157 KB and 
98 KB.)

Anyhow  - the titles of the articles, if anyone wants to look them up 
yourselves, are:

Discovery of Drugs that Possess Activity Against Feline Leukemia Virus – 
Journal of General Virology (2012), 93, 900-905 and

Evaluation of the effect of short term treatment with the integrase inhibitor 
raltegravir (lsentress) on the course of progressive feline leukemia virus 
infection – Vet. Microbiol. 2015 Feb 25; 175(2-4)


Amani

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
Realissa Dekraunti
Sent: June-08-16 9:43 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] regarding: Raltegravir for Felv

the lady has not responded and has not seen my messages. I am desperately 
trying to get ahole of her. I don't know if it is appropriate to share her name 
here on this group? So, maybe you can all help me to get ahold of her? Her 
story is very inspiring
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Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv

[Margo]

"Titer" with one "t". An option in some cases, but by no means a guarantee. I seldom vaccinate against anything but Rabies past the first booster, but skipping Rabies can become problematic, since it is (generally) legally mandated.  Which means that a pet with no proof of vaccination can be subject to seizure, quarantine and sometimes forced testing. Testing for rabies is done using the head/brain of an animal. Check your local laws before deciding. There are many situations where a cat can be accused of exposing someone to rabies, and even a scratch to a visitor, neighbor or passerby can bring Rabies laws into play. I do use the Purevax three year rabies, which is recognized in my State.From this article;http://www.catster.com/lifestyle/antibody-titers-cat-vaccinations-cats-vaccines-ask-a-vet"Sadly, at this time titers also appear to be of little use in 
determining whether cats require other vaccines, such as those against 
rabies, coronavirus (FIP), or feline leukemia virus. This is partly 
because titers for these diseases are not readily available in a 
commercial setting, and partly because less is understood about whether 
titers offer an accurate approximation of immunity for these diseases. 
Bear in mind that rabies vaccines in cats are often mandated by law, and
 that most jurisdictions will not consider titers in lieu of 
vaccination."Margo-Original Message-
From: Rachel Dagner 
Sent: Jun 8, 2016 10:41 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv

That book I mentioned by Dr. Martin Goldstein mentions all kinds of illnesses that happened to animals coinciding with vaccines. Many vets believe that after a couple of vaccines they are protected for life, Goldstein does something called tittering so he can check the antibodies of his patients to know if they need to have another vaccine. How likely is it that our cats will get rabies? Slim to none and slim is out of town! Sorry about Scotchie. L Horrible.  From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Ardy RobertsonSent: Wednesday, June 08, 2016 1:43 AMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv I’m not wild about rabies vaccinations either. My Butterscotch (“Scotchie”) died right after having a rabies vaccination!Ardy  From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Rachel DagnerSent: Tuesday, June 7, 2016 3:33 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv I have never heard of that, and I have read a lot about it.  And if they can’t determine the difference how do they know one is more fatal? What did he say about keeping them healthy? I still think that is the most important thing of all, stop problems before they start. Has anyone’s vet ever advised them against vaccines for a FELV cat, or minimal vaccines, or spacing them out, being they have a compromised immune system?  From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Realissa DekrauntiSent: Tuesday, June 07, 2016 4:02 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv I took my cats to a new vet, today. He said that FELV A is less fatal than FELV C. He said there is no way to determine which type of FELV they have. Is it true? I think people on this forum know more than many vets.  Thanks a lot 


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Re: [Felvtalk] Uveitis...

[Margo]

You can buy Standard Process on Amazon or eBay, or just get an order form from someone else who uses their product. My Mom ordered all the time, and sent me order blanks often. They also have on their websites how to find a Vet that will connect you (or order for you for a fee).Margo-Original Message-
From: Rachel Dagner 
Sent: Jun 8, 2016 11:43 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Uveitis...

What a relief it is helping, I am so glad!  I pray that it is not chronic, taking steroids for long periods especially for life is not good. If it does turn out to be chronic maybe you could ask a holistic vet what they use that is more natural and easier on the system for long term use, and see if that works so you can try to wean off the prednisone, it would be worth a try at least, I searched uveitis in my handy Marty Goldstein book, and it says a company called Eli Lilly invested millions of dollars in researching animal glandulars, they used cow eye protein for uveitis, one of the companies he uses for his glandulars is called Standard Process you can’t buy their products unless you are a qualified health care professional ( I looked them up) but maybe your vet can help you get something like that to try if needed. I have read that you should never stop prednisone suddenly so I am glad he told you to do a diminishing dose.  From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of ROBERT CHAPELSent: Wednesday, June 08, 2016 11:09 AMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: [Felvtalk] Uveitis... Thank you all for your suggestions re: Uveitis.  As I wrote the original note more than a week ago much has happened since  I went back to see the Vet expecting to get Winstrol and got a different vet instead.  THIS one prescribed Prednisolone Opthalmic Ointment 3-4X qd for the badly affected eye 2x for the less affected... Oral Prednisolone for two weeks ( diminishing dose) and Buprenorphine for pain..  My guy is improving quite a bit and I am so happy.  BUT... this vet is not on board with prescribing Winstrol ...  Won't go into my impressions as to why at this time. Anyone know if improvement lasts for any length of time once the cortisone is discontinued or must it be continued ( at a lower dose) indefinitely.  From Everything I have read this is a generally chronic condition that only remitsAgainthank you all for your input and suggestions  It is a BIG help.


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Re: [Felvtalk] Tucker

[dlgegg]

I have several burial sites on my ground close to the house.  When I run into 
too much rock (live on a rocky bluff), I start a new cemetary.  I have 2 dogs 
and 0ver 20 cats buried in my flower gardens.

 Rachel Dagner  wrote: 
> Thank you everyone for your kind replies. I knew it was going to be hard for 
> me, it has been even harder than I ever imagined. I went through all of my 
> adorable pictures of him last night. Remembered him how he was and imagined 
> him that way again. He was such a cool and handsome little guy. I only had 
> him for a year and a half. In that time we went through so much. Emergency 
> vet visits, surgeries, worry. I wouldn't change it for the world though. He 
> touched my life and heart so much. I opted for a private cremation, so I can 
> keep him close to me always. I was the one person in his life that he loved 
> and adored more than anything, and he never doubted my love for him.  
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> > On Jun 8, 2016, at 8:02 AM, Katherine K.  wrote:
> > 
> > I'm sorry about Tucker and for the pain you feel. I hope the happy memories 
> > you shared bring you comfort during this difficult time. We're here for you.
> > 
> >> On Wed, Jun 8, 2016 at 1:37 AM, Ardy Robertson  
> >> wrote:
> >> I'm so sorry for your loss of Tucker.
> >> 
> >> Ardy
> >> 
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
> >> Rachel Dagner
> >> Sent: Tuesday, June 7, 2016 9:33 AM
> >> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> >> Subject: [Felvtalk] Tucker
> >> 
> >> I lost him yesterday morning. He was having a really hard time breathing 
> >> due
> >> to the tumor in his chest. It was time, they got me in right away. It was 
> >> so
> >> very hard to say goodbye. I haven't been able to quit crying since.
> >> It's so unbelievably hard, even knowing that it would happen soon. I miss
> >> him so much. Everything reminds me of him. I am at work luckily alone 
> >> today,
> >> and can't quit crying. I had him with me at work last week and he was 
> >> laying
> >> on my desk and purring and sleeping. It's just so hard to believe he is
> >> gone. I sat in the parking lot at my vets for at least an hour with my car
> >> door open, just in case he spirit needed to get inside and come home with
> >> me. I know it will get better, but right now the pain is just unbearable. I
> >> know that those here who have gone through this understand where I am right
> >> now.
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Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv

[dlgegg]

Sounds like you have a good one, stick with him/her.

 Lorrie  wrote: 
> >Has anyone's vet ever advised them against vaccines for a FELV
> >cat, or minimal vaccines, or spacing them out, being they have a
> >compromised immune system?
> -
>  
> My vet will not give vaccinations to any FelV cats, nor to any of my
> old cats.  She also does not tell me to euthanize a FelV cat. Some 
> positive cats can live long lives in spite of having the virus.
> -
> 
> It is encouraging to know that FelV is NOT a death sentence with
> every cat. Usually if is fatal with kittens however, as their immune
> systems are not fully developed.  
> 
> 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Possums eat ticks (was: different types of Felv

[dlgegg]

I need to read this!  We have lots of possums around her (live in the middle of 
the woods).  I have noticed that Harley never has any fleas or ticks on him and 
he goes out all the time, wanders around the yard and then comes up on the 
deck, inds a comfortable spot and sleeps.

 kat  wrote: 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Possums eat ticks (was: different types of Felv

[kat]

From: Cary Institute of Ecosystems Studies - http://www.caryinstitute.org/newsroom/opossums-killers-ticks


"Several years ago, scientists ... tested six species — white-footed mice, chipmunks, squirrels, opossums and veerys and catbirds — by capturing and caging them, and then exposing each test subject to 100 ticks ... [O]f the six, the opossums were remarkably good at getting rid of the ticks — much more so that any of the others.

[A]mong other opossum traits, there is this: They groom themselves fastidiously, like cats. If they find a tick, they lick it off and swallow it ... Extrapolating from their findings, Ostfeld said, the team estimated that in one season, an opossum can kill about 5,000 ticks ... Some ticks end up getting their blood meal from the possum. But more than 90 percent of them ended up being groomed away and swallowed."

 

I haven't found anything about possums eating fleas, but it could be similar... (?)

Kat (Mew Jersey)


 

Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2016 at 12:26 PM
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To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv

My cats have not had vaccines for at least 5 years and they are healthy. They do not come into contact with others animals. When the coons coe around, they come to the door to be let in. Have more sense than some humans. We also do not do flea meds since Shorty ahd a severe reaction to them.
Something I heard the other day, Posssms eat ticks and fleas so let them come around to keep cats and dogs free of these pests. Anyone else heard that?

 Ardy Robertson  wrote:
> I’m not wild about rabies vaccinations either. My Butterscotch (“Scotchie”) died right after having a rabies vaccination!
>
> Ardy
>
>
>
>
>
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Rachel Dagner
> Sent: Tuesday, June 7, 2016 3:33 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv
>
>
>
> I have never heard of that, and I have read a lot about it. And if they can’t determine the difference how do they know one is more fatal? What did he say about keeping them healthy? I still think that is the most important thing of all, stop problems before they start. Has anyone’s vet ever advised them against vaccines for a FELV cat, or minimal vaccines, or spacing them out, being they have a compromised immune system?
>
>
>
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org  ] On Behalf Of Realissa Dekraunti
> Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2016 4:02 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
> Subject: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv
>
>
>
> I took my cats to a new vet, today. He said that FELV A is less fatal than FELV C. He said there is no way to determine which type of FELV they have. Is it true? I think people on this forum know more than many vets.
>
>
>
> Thanks a lot
>


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Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv

[dlgegg]

My cats have not had vaccines for at least 5 years and they are healthy.  They 
do not come into contact with others animals.  When the coons coe around, they 
come to the door to be let in.  Have more sense than some humans.  We also do 
not do flea meds since Shorty ahd a severe reaction to them.  
Something I heard the other day, Posssms eat ticks and fleas so let them come 
around to keep cats and dogs free of these pests.  Anyone else heard that?

 Ardy Robertson  wrote: 
> I’m not wild about rabies vaccinations either. My Butterscotch (“Scotchie”) 
> died right after having a rabies vaccination!
> 
> Ardy
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
> Rachel Dagner
> Sent: Tuesday, June 7, 2016 3:33 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv
> 
>  
> 
> I have never heard of that, and I have read a lot about it.  And if they 
> can’t determine the difference how do they know one is more fatal? What did 
> he say about keeping them healthy? I still think that is the most important 
> thing of all, stop problems before they start. Has anyone’s vet ever advised 
> them against vaccines for a FELV cat, or minimal vaccines, or spacing them 
> out, being they have a compromised immune system? 
> 
>  
> 
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
>  ] On Behalf Of Realissa Dekraunti
> Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2016 4:02 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org  
> Subject: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv
> 
>  
> 
> I took my cats to a new vet, today. He said that FELV A is less fatal than 
> FELV C. He said there is no way to determine which type of FELV they have. Is 
> it true? I think people on this forum know more than many vets. 
> 
>  
> 
> Thanks a lot 
> 


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Re: [Felvtalk] Uveitis...

[kat]

Hi Robert,

 

If you need someone to get the Standard Process formulas for you - there is a chiropracter just over the NJ border (in Sussex) that carries them.  His name is Dr Wm Preston 973-875-8700.  You can tell him Kat recommended him.

 

Kat (Mew Jersey)

 

Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2016 at 11:43 AM
From: "Rachel Dagner" 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Uveitis...




What a relief it is helping, I am so glad!  I pray that it is not chronic, taking steroids for long periods especially for life is not good. If it does turn out to be chronic maybe you could ask a holistic vet what they use that is more natural and easier on the system for long term use, and see if that works so you can try to wean off the prednisone, it would be worth a try at least, I searched uveitis in my handy Marty Goldstein book, and it says a company called Eli Lilly invested millions of dollars in researching animal glandulars, they used cow eye protein for uveitis, one of the companies he uses for his glandulars is called Standard Process you can’t buy their products unless you are a qualified health care professional ( I looked them up) but maybe your vet can help you get something like that to try if needed. I have read that you should never stop prednisone suddenly so I am glad he told you to do a diminishing dose. 

 


From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of ROBERT CHAPEL
Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2016 11:09 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Uveitis...


 

Thank you all for your suggestions re: Uveitis.  As I wrote the original note more than a week ago much has happened since  I went back to see the Vet expecting to get Winstrol and got a different vet instead.  THIS one prescribed Prednisolone Opthalmic Ointment 3-4X qd for the badly affected eye 2x for the less affected... Oral Prednisolone for two weeks ( diminishing dose) and Buprenorphine for pain..  My guy is improving quite a bit and I am so happy.  BUT... this vet is not on board with prescribing Winstrol ...  Won't go into my impressions as to why at this time. Anyone know if improvement lasts for any length of time once the cortisone is discontinued or must it be continued ( at a lower dose) indefinitely.  From Everything I have read this is a generally chronic condition that only remits


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Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv

[dlgegg]

That sounds like the time I asked the Dr. about my mother's wegeners disease.  
He said it is ideopathic.  That means they do not know what is going on any 
more than you do.

 Rachel Dagner  wrote: 
> I have never heard of that, and I have read a lot about it.  And if they
> can’t determine the difference how do they know one is more fatal? What did
> he say about keeping them healthy? I still think that is the most important
> thing of all, stop problems before they start. Has anyone’s vet ever
> advised them against vaccines for a FELV cat, or minimal vaccines, or
> spacing them out, being they have a compromised immune system?
> 
> 
> 
> *From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf Of
> *Realissa Dekraunti
> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 07, 2016 4:02 PM
> *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> *Subject:* [Felvtalk] different types of Felv
> 
> 
> 
> I took my cats to a new vet, today. He said that FELV A is less fatal than
> FELV C. He said there is no way to determine which type of FELV they have.
> Is it true? I think people on this forum know more than many vets.
> 
> 
> 
> Thanks a lot


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Re: [Felvtalk] Uveitis...

[Rachel Dagner]

What a relief it is helping, I am so glad!  I pray that it is not chronic,
taking steroids for long periods especially for life is not good. If it
does turn out to be chronic maybe you could ask a holistic vet what they
use that is more natural and easier on the system for long term use, and
see if that works so you can try to wean off the prednisone, it would be
worth a try at least, I searched uveitis in my handy Marty Goldstein book,
and it says a company called Eli Lilly invested millions of dollars in
researching animal glandulars, they used cow eye protein for uveitis, one
of the companies he uses for his glandulars is called Standard Process you
can’t buy their products unless you are a qualified health care
professional ( I looked them up) but maybe your vet can help you get
something like that to try if needed. I have read that you should never
stop prednisone suddenly so I am glad he told you to do a diminishing dose.



*From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf Of
*ROBERT CHAPEL
*Sent:* Wednesday, June 08, 2016 11:09 AM
*To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
*Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Uveitis...



Thank you all for your suggestions re: Uveitis.  As I wrote the original
note more than a week ago much has happened since  I went back to see
the Vet expecting to get Winstrol and got a different vet instead.  THIS
one prescribed Prednisolone Opthalmic Ointment 3-4X qd for the badly
affected eye 2x for the less affected... Oral Prednisolone for two weeks (
diminishing dose) and Buprenorphine for pain..  My guy is improving
quite a bit and I am so happy.  BUT... this vet is not on board with
prescribing Winstrol ...  Won't go into my impressions as to why at this
time. Anyone know if improvement lasts for any length of time once
the cortisone is discontinued or must it be continued ( at a lower dose)
indefinitely.  From Everything I have read this is a generally chronic
condition that only remits

Againthank you all for your input and suggestions  It is a BIG help.
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Re: [Felvtalk] Tucker

[dlgegg]

I have been there so many times, over 20 now.  You ask yourself "what more 
could I have done?", You did all you could, loved him, gave him food and 
shelter and loved him some more.  I think I know how you feel, but not really, 
because each one is different.   It will hurt for a long time and every time 
you think about him, you will cry, but it does get a little better as time goes 
by and if you are lucky, another one will come to yo in need of help and love 
and it starts all over again.  I think that is why we are here, to provide the 
love and care needed by some whose needs are great.  We are God's ambassadors 
to the animals around us.
 
 Rachel Dagner  wrote: 
> I lost him yesterday morning. He was having a really hard time breathing
> due to the tumor in his chest. It was time, they got me in right away. It
> was so very hard to say goodbye. I haven't been able to quit crying since.
> It's so unbelievably hard, even knowing that it would happen soon. I miss
> him so much. Everything reminds me of him. I am at work luckily alone
> today, and can't quit crying. I had him with me at work last week and he
> was laying on my desk and purring and sleeping. It's just so hard to
> believe he is gone. I sat in the parking lot at my vets for at least an
> hour with my car door open, just in case he spirit needed to get inside
> and come home with me. I know it will get better, but right now the pain
> is just unbearable. I know that those here who have gone through this
> understand where I am right now.
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Re: [Felvtalk] Uveitis...

[ROBERT CHAPEL]

Thank you all for your suggestions re: Uveitis.  As I wrote the original 
note more than a week ago much has happened since  I went back to 
see the Vet expecting to get Winstrol and got a different vet instead.  
THIS one prescribed Prednisolone Opthalmic Ointment 3-4X qd for the 
badly affected eye 2x for the less affected... Oral Prednisolone for two 
weeks ( diminishing dose) and Buprenorphine for pain..  My guy is 
improving quite a bit and I am so happy.  BUT... this vet is not on 
board with prescribing Winstrol ...  Won't go into my impressions as to 
why at this time. Anyone know if improvement lasts for any 
length of time once the cortisone is discontinued or must it be 
continued ( at a lower dose) indefinitely.  From Everything I have 
read this is a generally chronic condition that only remits
Againthank you all for your input and suggestions  It is a BIG 
help.
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Re: [Felvtalk] Tucker....

[ROBERT CHAPEL]

Rachel:

Expected or otherwise there just never seems to be an adequate way to 
prepare for such a loss  I am SO sorry.  I can only wish you the 
very FAST passage of enough time to mitigate the sadness...



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Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv

[Rachel Dagner]

That book I mentioned by Dr. Martin Goldstein mentions all kinds of
illnesses that happened to animals coinciding with vaccines. Many vets
believe that after a couple of vaccines they are protected for life,
Goldstein does something called tittering so he can check the antibodies of
his patients to know if they need to have another vaccine. How likely is it
that our cats will get rabies? Slim to none and slim is out of town! Sorry
about Scotchie. L Horrible.



*From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf Of
*Ardy Robertson
*Sent:* Wednesday, June 08, 2016 1:43 AM
*To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
*Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv



I’m not wild about rabies vaccinations either. My Butterscotch (“Scotchie”)
died right after having a rabies vaccination!

Ardy





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] *On Behalf Of *Rachel Dagner
*Sent:* Tuesday, June 7, 2016 3:33 PM
*To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
*Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv



I have never heard of that, and I have read a lot about it.  And if they
can’t determine the difference how do they know one is more fatal? What did
he say about keeping them healthy? I still think that is the most important
thing of all, stop problems before they start. Has anyone’s vet ever
advised them against vaccines for a FELV cat, or minimal vaccines, or
spacing them out, being they have a compromised immune system?



*From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf Of
*Realissa Dekraunti
*Sent:* Tuesday, June 07, 2016 4:02 PM
*To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
*Subject:* [Felvtalk] different types of Felv



I took my cats to a new vet, today. He said that FELV A is less fatal than
FELV C. He said there is no way to determine which type of FELV they have.
Is it true? I think people on this forum know more than many vets.



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Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv

[Rachel Dagner]

That is very good to know, thank you for sharing. My Chihuahua is 11 and
she has always had a bad reaction to vaccines, the last 3 year rabies shot
she got about 6 months ago resulted in a bump between her hip and rib cage
that is still there, they said it is nothing to worry about, but I do not
think I will get the rabies vaccine for her again. I pray that they are
right and the bump is nothing and will eventually go away.

-Original Message-
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Lorrie
Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2016 8:38 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv

>Has anyone's vet ever advised them against vaccines for a FELV
>cat, or minimal vaccines, or spacing them out, being they have a
>compromised immune system?
-

My vet will not give vaccinations to any FelV cats, nor to any of my old
cats.  She also does not tell me to euthanize a FelV cat. Some positive
cats can live long lives in spite of having the virus.
-

It is encouraging to know that FelV is NOT a death sentence with every
cat. Usually if is fatal with kittens however, as their immune systems are
not fully developed.


Lorrie

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Re: [Felvtalk] regarding: Raltegravir for Felv

[Rachel Dagner]

Did you try to send a message to a couple of her active friends? Maybe they
know how to reach her. Sometimes people don’t go on Facebook much.



*From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf Of
*Realissa Dekraunti
*Sent:* Wednesday, June 08, 2016 9:43 AM
*To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
*Subject:* [Felvtalk] regarding: Raltegravir for Felv



the lady has not responded and has not seen my messages. I am desperately
trying to get ahole of her. I don't know if it is appropriate to share her
name here on this group? So, maybe you can all help me to get ahold of her?
Her story is very inspiring
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[Felvtalk] regarding: Raltegravir for Felv

[Realissa Dekraunti]

the lady has not responded and has not seen my messages. I am desperately
trying to get ahole of her. I don't know if it is appropriate to share her
name here on this group? So, maybe you can all help me to get ahold of her?
Her story is very inspiring
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Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv

[Lorrie]

>Has anyone's vet ever advised them against vaccines for a FELV
>cat, or minimal vaccines, or spacing them out, being they have a
>compromised immune system?
-
 
My vet will not give vaccinations to any FelV cats, nor to any of my
old cats.  She also does not tell me to euthanize a FelV cat. Some 
positive cats can live long lives in spite of having the virus.
-

It is encouraging to know that FelV is NOT a death sentence with
every cat. Usually if is fatal with kittens however, as their immune
systems are not fully developed.  


Lorrie

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Re: [Felvtalk] Tucker

[Rachel Dagner]

Thank you everyone for your kind replies. I knew it was going to be hard for 
me, it has been even harder than I ever imagined. I went through all of my 
adorable pictures of him last night. Remembered him how he was and imagined him 
that way again. He was such a cool and handsome little guy. I only had him for 
a year and a half. In that time we went through so much. Emergency vet visits, 
surgeries, worry. I wouldn't change it for the world though. He touched my life 
and heart so much. I opted for a private cremation, so I can keep him close to 
me always. I was the one person in his life that he loved and adored more than 
anything, and he never doubted my love for him.  

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 8, 2016, at 8:02 AM, Katherine K.  wrote:
> 
> I'm sorry about Tucker and for the pain you feel. I hope the happy memories 
> you shared bring you comfort during this difficult time. We're here for you.
> 
>> On Wed, Jun 8, 2016 at 1:37 AM, Ardy Robertson  wrote:
>> I'm so sorry for your loss of Tucker.
>> 
>> Ardy
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
>> Rachel Dagner
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 7, 2016 9:33 AM
>> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>> Subject: [Felvtalk] Tucker
>> 
>> I lost him yesterday morning. He was having a really hard time breathing due
>> to the tumor in his chest. It was time, they got me in right away. It was so
>> very hard to say goodbye. I haven't been able to quit crying since.
>> It's so unbelievably hard, even knowing that it would happen soon. I miss
>> him so much. Everything reminds me of him. I am at work luckily alone today,
>> and can't quit crying. I had him with me at work last week and he was laying
>> on my desk and purring and sleeping. It's just so hard to believe he is
>> gone. I sat in the parking lot at my vets for at least an hour with my car
>> door open, just in case he spirit needed to get inside and come home with
>> me. I know it will get better, but right now the pain is just unbearable. I
>> know that those here who have gone through this understand where I am right
>> now.
>> 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Tucker

[Katherine K.]

I'm sorry about Tucker and for the pain you feel. I hope the happy memories
you shared bring you comfort during this difficult time. We're here for
you.

On Wed, Jun 8, 2016 at 1:37 AM, Ardy Robertson  wrote:

> I'm so sorry for your loss of Tucker.
>
> Ardy
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
> Rachel Dagner
> Sent: Tuesday, June 7, 2016 9:33 AM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: [Felvtalk] Tucker
>
> I lost him yesterday morning. He was having a really hard time breathing
> due
> to the tumor in his chest. It was time, they got me in right away. It was
> so
> very hard to say goodbye. I haven't been able to quit crying since.
> It's so unbelievably hard, even knowing that it would happen soon. I miss
> him so much. Everything reminds me of him. I am at work luckily alone
> today,
> and can't quit crying. I had him with me at work last week and he was
> laying
> on my desk and purring and sleeping. It's just so hard to believe he is
> gone. I sat in the parking lot at my vets for at least an hour with my car
> door open, just in case he spirit needed to get inside and come home with
> me. I know it will get better, but right now the pain is just unbearable. I
> know that those here who have gone through this understand where I am right
> now.
>
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Re: [Felvtalk] Raltegravir for Felv

[Rachel Dagner]

Wow! That is very exciting to hear about. If that could help other kitties I 
would be over the moon. My biggest wish is that no one or their babies ever 
again have to go through what Tucker and I went through. I hope she gets back 
to you. If she does you should ask her for her vets information, so your vet 
can discuss what he did and the results. Praying so hard that this might be an 
answer for you and others. If she doesn't get on Facebook much maybe you could 
contact some of her friends on there to ask her to contact you. 

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> On Jun 7, 2016, at 11:30 PM, Realissa Dekraunti  
> wrote:
> 
> I wanted to share a post I found on facebook. This lady says that after 
> Raltegravir, her Felv positive cat became negative. I tried to contact her on 
> facebook to see if it's still negative. 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> One of my indoor cats tested positive with leukemia and her brother didn't, 
> so she remains a mystery as to where she got it from. As a kitten she was 
> tested and she was negative. Months later, she tested positive. The virus 
> reached her bone marrow a year ago and she was terribly anaemic. She received 
> a couple of synthetic blood transfusions when she was about to die, and then 
> the doctor started her on Raltegravir (a HIV integrase inhibitor). This was, 
> like a said, a year ago, and she's now better than ever. There's no anaemia 
> and her Felv tests come back negative. I hope this gives other people hope 
> and inspiration to fight for their kittens. When everyone was telling me to 
> put her down a year ago, I just couldn't, convinced that she deserved every 
> ounce of effort. I couldn't separate her from her brother, either. They sleep 
> together, eat together, have the same toilet and groom each other, and in a 
> whole year, he hasn't got infected. I tested him every 3 months and had 
> hematology tests done, but he keeps coming back negative. I hope with all my 
> heart they are both healthy and they stay that way.
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