[Felvtalk] FW: Felvtalk Digest, Vol 29, Issue 37

[Amani Oakley]

Liz

I am gritting my teeth right now. Your vet is basically giving you no options 
to treat FeLV, while telling you that a medication which might help MAY have 
negative side effects. Well, without it, your cat’s odds drop dramatically. 
How’s that for “negative side effects”? I don’t think there are vets who are 
experts in FeLV as far as I know. Go back to your vet, say that you recognize 
that there may be negative side effects, indicate you accept that risk, but 
your options are pretty darned limited, and ask for a trial of Winstrol.

I was right about the Doxycycline, Liz. Get him on the Winstrol. I am so sorry, 
because I KNOW how frustrating this is for you. It’s also pretty frustrating 
for me, because I KNOW this stuff works and these vets are driving me totally 
batty. They will safeguard our babies from “side effects” all the way into 
their graves! (Sorry – pissy mood right now! I sound like a bleeping broken 
record.)

Amani

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Liz 
McCarty
Sent: September-27-16 10:48 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 29, Issue 37


I spoke with the vet this evening and she said Winstrol doesn't work and 
actually can have negative side effects. I also didn't tell her I had already 
started him back on the doxycycline but she said she would prefer instead he 
see the regular vet to see what's going on with his eye. Since the doxycycline 
his eyes look normal again! I don't sense the same urgency that I have in this 
vet, although she is better than the first who just said to euthanize. Any 
ideas how to search FeLV specialists? I've Googled for my area but nothing 
comes up. I live in San Jose Ca

Elizabeth McCarty, ASW #36438

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Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 29, Issue 33

[Ardy Robertson]

What about using an eye cup with boric acid eyewash. I think that is the stuff 
that is used for humans.
Ardy



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From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of ROBERT 
CHAPEL
Sent: Monday, September 26, 2016 1:40 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 29, Issue 33

Amani

My little guy does not yet have a return of the Uveitis... problem at the 
moment is his corneal abrasion...
He is already on buprenorphine( it comes preloaded in small syringes to apply 
to his gums)... but my fear is that the Uveitis will return..   I don't want to 
remove both his eyes ( he had Uveitis bi-laterally) his one remaining good eye 
is not very good as it is The Vet was quite emphatic that she didn't think 
the guy would make it through a major operation I am getting SO DAMN SICK 
of there being no best practices among vets. 5 vets five damn different 
opinions and can NOT afford to keep shopping around HonestlyI expected 
( and was led to believe by the shelter folks and my reading ..that the more 
typical course for FeLV is perhaps a "few" more trips to the vet than the usual 
cat but generally a life of 2-3 years and then a rather quick downhill 
demise...   I specifically took cats with limited lifespans due to health 
problems of my own that promised that I would be gone in about 5 years
BTW..  I've used contact lens solution for several months having taken that 
suggestion from you in a previous post when he first developed his Uveitis. 
I had it under control for about 4 months before this happened   I'll do 
some asking around elsewhere about the risks and benefits of removing his 
eye...  if he didn't have it in the other eye as well I'd be far more inclined 
to do this but, honestly, I'm just not prepared to put myself or my little guy 
through a life of having BOTH eyes taken out with no reasonable promise that he 
won't develop still other problematic conditions within days.. Bottom 
line... I won't do to him what I wouldn't do to or for myself.  That 
said... I always appreciate your suggestions and generally take them...

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> I recommend that you have the vet surgically remove the eye. You would 
> be surprised at how quickly a cat will adjust to this, and the pain 
> will stop immediately. I had this experience with one of my cats, who 
> also had severe uveitis when I got her, and there was just nothing 
> that worked, and the eye was really bad.
>
> In the meantime, there are two techniques you might want to try to 
> help with pain and controlling infection:
>
> 1.Try putting contact lens saline in the eyes. This is soothing and 
> has a tiny bit of disinfectant which is obviously safe for the eyes;
> 2.Try putting a used tea bag (warm) on the eye. Only use it once 
> before discarding it.
>
> Also, ask the vet for buprenorphine in a transdermal cream. This will 
> help tremendously with the pain. Get the vet to obtain it from a 
> compounding pharmacy.
> Amani
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> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Eye Problems and Prednisolone
>
>
> I'm really at my wits end as to how much more to put my little guy (
> Yogi) through? I adopted him 7 months ago and he has had something 
> causing him pain at least 5 of them..?? I put him on high doses of 
> ocular Prednisolone to try to spare his vision after a severe Uveitis( 
> bilateral but worse in the right eye)?and the Vet said it would likely 
> have to be given chronicallyVERY unfortunately he developed a huge 
> corneal 

Re: [Felvtalk] Eye Problems and Prednisolone....

[Ardy Robertson]

Speaking of feral cats, we have one that has been coming to our house for about 
a year to be fed. Sometimes he goes about two weeks without showing up and then 
I worry about him. Most of the time he comes morning and night for food. But 
this is one cat I absolutely cannot get close to. I can sometimes put food in 
the dish with him on our step, and once I thought I could pet him while he was 
eating – NOT – he bolted. We call him “Wild Thing” and he is friends with our 
Cally who is also an outdoor stray. Any ideas on making friends with him? I do 
talk to him when I am outside and I show him that Cally likes to be petted, but 
he keeps his distance.

Ardy

 

 

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Sent: Monday, September 26, 2016 10:42 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Eye Problems and Prednisolone

 

I agree with Amani on the eye removal. I have a rescue semi-feral kitty cat 
with only one eye - had to remove her from her outside colony when that was 
done - she is now the sweetest girl - still semi-feral.  I have used CareCredit 
for help with my vet bills - I too am on a very fixed income.   I know this 
will work out - don't give up hope

Sandy W

 

 

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To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org  
Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2016 11:47:06 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Eye Problems and Prednisolone

 

Robert

 

I recommend that you have the vet surgically remove the eye. You would be 
surprised at how quickly a cat will adjust to this, and the pain will stop 
immediately. I had this experience with one of my cats, who also had severe 
uveitis when I got her, and there was just nothing that worked, and the eye was 
really bad.

 

In the meantime, there are two techniques you might want to try to help with 
pain and controlling infection:

 

1.Try putting contact lens saline in the eyes. This is soothing and has 
a tiny bit of disinfectant which is obviously safe for the eyes;
2.Try putting a used tea bag (warm) on the eye. Only use it once before 
discarding it.

 

Also, ask the vet for buprenorphine in a transdermal cream. This will help 
tremendously with the pain. Get the vet to obtain it from a compounding 
pharmacy. 

 

Amani

 

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CHAPEL
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To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org  
Cc: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org  
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Eye Problems and Prednisolone

 


I'm really at my wits end as to how much more to put my little guy (
Yogi) through  I adopted him 7 months ago and he has had something causing 
him pain at least 5 of them..   I put him on high doses of ocular 
Prednisolone to try to spare his vision after a severe Uveitis( bilateral but 
worse in the right eye) and the Vet said it would likely have to be given 
chronicallyVERY unfortunately he developed a huge corneal abrasion ( Green 
dye uptake involved almost his etire eye)... Now I've got the poor little guy 
on atropine and two antibiotics three times a day in hopes of keeping the eye 
from rupturing. This on top of his continuing to lose weight despite 
healthy appetite and still with some blood in the stool.   The BIG problem 
in the moment is that I really can't put him back on topical corticosteroids if 
it is going to do this to him. but.when I tried to back off them before 
his Uveitis returned. There is a good chance it will return again. 
Has anyone ever heard of anything that might be used for a cats eye 
inflammation that is not a corticosteroid??   I'll be frank   this 
little guy is using up every single dime and then some of my retirement " 
disposable" income and I simply won't be able to afford him pretty soon if I 
don't figure something out. beyond that... it is just too sad seeing him 
constantly suffering with one malady after another   Winstrol is not going 
to happen unless I go from Vet to Vet and hope I can find one that will work 
with me but I honestly don't hold out a lot of hope for this guy He 
started getting sick very young and it's not gotten any better.  My other 
guy is holding his own and I haven't had him to the vet more than once for an 
upper respiratory infection.   I'm not just going to wait for the little 
guy to pass.  I'm thinking that if the Uveitis returns and there is nothing 
that will control it besides corticosteroids I'm going to let him go. He's 
just always hurting Hasn't been able to be a kitten for more than a few 
weeks since I brought him home  Add to this that my quality of life is 
pretty crappy at this point as I can take very little time away from home   
I'd 

Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 29, Issue 37

[Liz McCarty]

I spoke with the vet this evening and she said Winstrol doesn't work and
actually can have negative side effects. I also didn't tell her I had
already started him back on the doxycycline but she said she would prefer
instead he see the regular vet to see what's going on with his eye. Since
the doxycycline his eyes look normal again! I don't sense the same urgency
that I have in this vet, although she is better than the first who just
said to euthanize. Any ideas how to search FeLV specialists? I've Googled
for my area but nothing comes up. I live in San Jose Ca

Elizabeth McCarty, ASW #36438

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Today's Topics:

   1. Looking for advice (Liz McCarty)
   2. Re: Looking for advice (Amani Oakley)
   3. Re: Looking for advice (Ashley Egger)
   4. Re: Looking for advice (Ardy Robertson)


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Subject: [Felvtalk] Looking for advice
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I posted a few days ago about my cat Hodor. He's still not doing very well.
I went ahead and started the doxycycline again even though I haven't spoken
with the vet - she was off Sunday and Monday. Still haven't heard. His eye
is looking a lot better with the doxycycline. I'm worried about him though.
I want to ask about Winstrol. I'm looking for advice though, I'm not sure
about his blood count or what it will look like at our appointment
scheduled for 10/4.  He's on his 3rd week of interferon... Alternating
weeks on and weeks off. I'm worried when we take him for the appointment
they will ask us to euthanize him. Would any of you try another transfusion
to see if the interferon can work? Or if we get Winstrol to give that a
shot? Or should we accept that it might be his time to go. I don't want him
to suffer, and I don't want to put him through another round of this if
it's inhumane, but I don't want to lose him. Thanks.

Elizabeth McCarty, ASW #36438
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Hi Elizabeth

Only you can say what is right for your little guy. However, I personally
would try the Winstrol and see what response you get with that. You already
had a better response with the Doxycycline, so there is still some hope.
Absolutely steel yourself though, because it is quite likely that your vet
will start pushing for euthanasia if that hasn?t already been suggested.
We?ve all had to deal with that pressure from the vets, on this chatline.
Resist taking him off the doxycycline and get him on the Winstrol if at all
possible. Winstrol has the potential of a quick effect, so you won?t have
to wait weeks and weeks to see if there is a positive effect, especially if
you draw bloodwork before he starts on the Winstrol. You can often see some
quick changes in the haematology profile.

Giving him another transfusion will also give some time for different
things to work, but again, if you aren?t seeing a discernable boost from
the Interferon alone, don?t put all your eggs in that basket. Keep him on
it if you like, but try to get the vet to give you the Winstrol as well.

Amani

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Liz McCarty
Sent: September-27-16 2:34 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Looking for advice


I posted a few days ago about my cat Hodor. He's still not doing very well.
I went ahead and started the doxycycline again even though I haven't spoken
with the vet - she was off Sunday and Monday. Still haven't heard. His eye
is looking a lot better with the doxycycline. I'm worried about him though.
I want to ask about Winstrol. I'm looki

Re: [Felvtalk] Looking for advice

[Ardy Robertson]

Hi Ashley,

 

If it isn’t too late for him the Winstrol is fabulous at helping build up his 
blood. My Tigger’s blood work got so much better the pathologist reran the 
testing process because he couldn’t believe what he was seeing in the results. 
I did lose Tigg but I feel it was because I started the Winstrol too late. 
Tigger had the one week on / one week off of the interferon for about 2 months, 
and his blood declined while on it. But I suppose all cats are different. I 
just wish I had started the Winstrol and Prednisolone along with the Doxy much 
earlier. I too didn’t want him to suffer but I don’t feel he suffered. Whatever 
you decide, you are doing your best for him.

 

Best of luck to you and Hodor.

Ardy

 

 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Ashley 
Egger
Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2016 6:29 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Looking for advice

 

Liz, I don't really have anything to add but just want to say I'm so sorry you 
and Hodor are having to go through this. I will be keeping Hodor in my thoughts 
and prayers!

Sent from my iPhone


On Sep 27, 2016, at 1:33 PM, Liz McCarty  > wrote:

I posted a few days ago about my cat Hodor. He's still not doing very well. I 
went ahead and started the doxycycline again even though I haven't spoken with 
the vet - she was off Sunday and Monday. Still haven't heard. His eye is 
looking a lot better with the doxycycline. I'm worried about him though. I want 
to ask about Winstrol. I'm looking for advice though, I'm not sure about his 
blood count or what it will look like at our appointment scheduled for 10/4.  
He's on his 3rd week of interferon... Alternating weeks on and weeks off. I'm 
worried when we take him for the appointment they will ask us to euthanize him. 
Would any of you try another transfusion to see if the interferon can work? Or 
if we get Winstrol to give that a shot? Or should we accept that it might be 
his time to go. I don't want him to suffer, and I don't want to put him through 
another round of this if it's inhumane, but I don't want to lose him. Thanks. 

Elizabeth McCarty, ASW #36438

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Re: [Felvtalk] Looking for advice

[Ashley Egger]

Liz, I don't really have anything to add but just want to say I'm so sorry you 
and Hodor are having to go through this. I will be keeping Hodor in my thoughts 
and prayers!

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 27, 2016, at 1:33 PM, Liz McCarty  wrote:
> 
> I posted a few days ago about my cat Hodor. He's still not doing very well. I 
> went ahead and started the doxycycline again even though I haven't spoken 
> with the vet - she was off Sunday and Monday. Still haven't heard. His eye is 
> looking a lot better with the doxycycline. I'm worried about him though. I 
> want to ask about Winstrol. I'm looking for advice though, I'm not sure about 
> his blood count or what it will look like at our appointment scheduled for 
> 10/4.  He's on his 3rd week of interferon... Alternating weeks on and weeks 
> off. I'm worried when we take him for the appointment they will ask us to 
> euthanize him. Would any of you try another transfusion to see if the 
> interferon can work? Or if we get Winstrol to give that a shot? Or should we 
> accept that it might be his time to go. I don't want him to suffer, and I 
> don't want to put him through another round of this if it's inhumane, but I 
> don't want to lose him. Thanks.
> 
> Elizabeth McCarty, ASW #36438
> 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Looking for advice

[Amani Oakley]

Hi Elizabeth

Only you can say what is right for your little guy. However, I personally would 
try the Winstrol and see what response you get with that. You already had a 
better response with the Doxycycline, so there is still some hope. Absolutely 
steel yourself though, because it is quite likely that your vet will start 
pushing for euthanasia if that hasn’t already been suggested. We’ve all had to 
deal with that pressure from the vets, on this chatline. Resist taking him off 
the doxycycline and get him on the Winstrol if at all possible. Winstrol has 
the potential of a quick effect, so you won’t have to wait weeks and weeks to 
see if there is a positive effect, especially if you draw bloodwork before he 
starts on the Winstrol. You can often see some quick changes in the haematology 
profile.

Giving him another transfusion will also give some time for different things to 
work, but again, if you aren’t seeing a discernable boost from the Interferon 
alone, don’t put all your eggs in that basket. Keep him on it if you like, but 
try to get the vet to give you the Winstrol as well.

Amani

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Liz 
McCarty
Sent: September-27-16 2:34 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Looking for advice


I posted a few days ago about my cat Hodor. He's still not doing very well. I 
went ahead and started the doxycycline again even though I haven't spoken with 
the vet - she was off Sunday and Monday. Still haven't heard. His eye is 
looking a lot better with the doxycycline. I'm worried about him though. I want 
to ask about Winstrol. I'm looking for advice though, I'm not sure about his 
blood count or what it will look like at our appointment scheduled for 10/4.  
He's on his 3rd week of interferon... Alternating weeks on and weeks off. I'm 
worried when we take him for the appointment they will ask us to euthanize him. 
Would any of you try another transfusion to see if the interferon can work? Or 
if we get Winstrol to give that a shot? Or should we accept that it might be 
his time to go. I don't want him to suffer, and I don't want to put him through 
another round of this if it's inhumane, but I don't want to lose him. Thanks.

Elizabeth McCarty, ASW #36438
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[Felvtalk] Looking for advice

[Liz McCarty]

I posted a few days ago about my cat Hodor. He's still not doing very well.
I went ahead and started the doxycycline again even though I haven't spoken
with the vet - she was off Sunday and Monday. Still haven't heard. His eye
is looking a lot better with the doxycycline. I'm worried about him though.
I want to ask about Winstrol. I'm looking for advice though, I'm not sure
about his blood count or what it will look like at our appointment
scheduled for 10/4.  He's on his 3rd week of interferon... Alternating
weeks on and weeks off. I'm worried when we take him for the appointment
they will ask us to euthanize him. Would any of you try another transfusion
to see if the interferon can work? Or if we get Winstrol to give that a
shot? Or should we accept that it might be his time to go. I don't want him
to suffer, and I don't want to put him through another round of this if
it's inhumane, but I don't want to lose him. Thanks.

Elizabeth McCarty, ASW #36438
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Re: [Felvtalk] feline leuk and shaken cat syndrome ??

[Sandy]

Roxanne I'm so sorry Neveah has died - it never gets any easier. 
Sandy W 

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From: "Margo"  
To: "Roxanne Smith" , felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2016 6:36:43 AM 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] feline leuk and shaken cat syndrome ?? 


Dear Roxanne, 

I'm sorry that Neveah has gone on to The Bridge. 

I have never heard of "Shaken Cat Syndrome", nor can I find anything on the web 
that makes sense. I certainly 
don't think your friend had anything to do Neveah's death. The uneven pupils 
are called anisocoria, and are common in FeLV cats; 

https://www.vetinfo.com/anisocoria-in-cats.html 

I would guess that she just came end of her time. And yes, the stress of your 
being gone may have started her on a downhill trend, and this time she wasn't 
able to recover. Treating her kidney insufficiency might have given her a bit 
more time, but hind-sight is useless in situations like this. 

I hope you will find a way just let her go. 

Wishing you peace and healing, 

Margo 

Lend Me a Kitten 

I will lend to you for awhile a kitten, God said. 
For you to love while he lives, and mourn when he's dead. 
Maybe for twelve or fourteen years, or maybe two or three. 
But will you, 'till I call him back, take care of him for me? 

He'll bring his charms to gladden you and, should his stay be brief 
You'll always have his memories as solace for your grief. 
I cannot promise he will stay, since all from earth return. 
But there are lessons taught below I want this kitten to learn. 

I've looked the whole world over in search of teachers true. 
And from the folk that crowds life's land I have chosen you. 
Now will you give him all your love, nor think the labor vain? 
Nor hate me when I come to take my kitten home again? 

I fancied that I heard them say 'Dear Lord Thy Will Be Done' 
For all the joys this kitten brings the risk of grief we'll run. 
We'll shelter him with tenderness, we'll love him while we may. 
And for the happiness we've known, forever grateful stay. 

But should you call him back much sooner than we planned, 
We'll brave the bitter grief that comes, and try to understand. 
If, by our love we've managed your wishes to achieve, 
Then in memory of him whom we loved, please help us while we grieve. 
When our cherished kitten departs this world of strife, 
Please send yet another needing soul for us to love all his life. 

Author Unknown 


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From: Roxanne Smith . 
Sent: Sep 27, 2016 2:25 AM 
To: Felvtalk 
Subject: [Felvtalk] feline leuk and shaken cat syndrome ?? 

It has been awhile since I have looked at my emails and or participated in this 
group-but I am desperate for some help and answers, of which I am not even sure 
I explain all in an email. 
Here goes, another one of my feline leuk cats died yesterday (Monday) AM. 
She dropped to 6.4 pounds, lost a pound in one month-has not really been eating 
for days, keeping to herself, hiding, but would sit by me. The last two or 
three days she would no longer sleep with me. 

I went to Florida a couple of weeks ago, had a babysitter come in daily to 
check on her-and she appeared to be doing well but starting going downhill, 
Neveah--cat lost about one pound in a month time period. 

So this is where I really need help-and please pass on to see additional 
answers. I have noticed only a few people ever answer or respond to emails but 
I can say much as I never do. :.( 
So I took Neveah to the ER Monday AM, as her temp dropped to 98.5, she could 
not move, and her rt eye was dilated and would not go back to normal and left 
eye appeared to be fine. Sunday my friend was in the room with her for hours 
and noticed the cat Neveah was acting/walking not correctly. Is anyone every 
heard of shaken cat syndrome-is it possible my friend dropped Neveah, or shook 
her in the room and caused her to have a blood clot-yes I am grasping here. 

As with everyone I feel bad, should I have been more aggressive in giving her 
sub q fluids, obviously too late now, she is gone. 

I have requested her latest blood panel for my records, but I know her kidney 
panels were not good. 

Is anyone in this group but any chance from the Milwaukee area/ Or there any 
vets in this group, whom would be willing to speak with me. 

Please be as honest as possible-or if you need more information before you 
answer please let me know that as well 




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Re: [Felvtalk] feline leuk and shaken cat syndrome ??

[Margo]

Dear Roxanne,   I'm sorry that Neveah has gone on to The Bridge.  I have never heard of "Shaken Cat Syndrome", nor can I find anything on the web that makes sense. I certainly don't think your friend had anything to do Neveah's death. The uneven pupils are called anisocoria, and are common in FeLV cats;   https://www.vetinfo.com/anisocoria-in-cats.html  I would guess that she just came end of her time. And yes, the stress of your being gone may have started her on a downhill trend, and this time she wasn't able to recover. Treating her kidney insufficiency might have given her a bit more time, but hind-sight is useless in situations like this.I hope you will find a way just let her go.Wishing you peace and healing,MargoLend Me a Kitten

I will lend to you for awhile a kitten, God said.
For you to love while he lives, and mourn when he's dead.
Maybe for twelve or fourteen years, or maybe two or three.
But will you, 'till I call him back, take care of him for me?

He'll bring his charms to gladden you and, should his stay be brief
You'll always have his memories as solace for your grief.
I cannot promise he will stay, since all from earth return.
But there are lessons taught below I want this kitten to learn.

I've looked the whole world over in search of teachers true.
And from the folk that crowds life's land I have chosen you.
Now will you give him all your love, nor think the labor vain?
Nor hate me when I come to take my kitten home again?

I fancied that I heard them say 'Dear Lord Thy Will Be Done'
For all the joys this kitten brings the risk of grief we'll run.
We'll shelter him with tenderness, we'll love him while we may.
And for the happiness we've known, forever grateful stay.

But should you call him back much sooner than we planned,
We'll brave the bitter grief that comes, and try to understand.
If, by our love we've managed your wishes to achieve,
Then in memory of him whom we loved, please help us while we grieve.
When our cherished kitten departs this world of strife,
Please send yet another needing soul for us to love all his life.

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From: Roxanne Smith 
. Sent: Sep 27, 2016 2:25 AM
To: Felvtalk 
Subject: [Felvtalk] feline leuk and shaken cat syndrome ??

It has been awhile since I have looked at my emails and or participated in this group-but I am desperate for some help and answers, of which I am not even sure I explain all in an email.Here goes, another one of my feline leuk cats died yesterday (Monday) AM.She dropped to 6.4 pounds, lost a pound in one month-has not really been eating for days, keeping to herself, hiding, but would sit by me. The last two or three days she would no longer sleep with me.I went to Florida a couple of weeks ago, had a babysitter come in daily to check on her-and she appeared to be doing well but starting going downhill, Neveah--cat lost about one pound in a month time period.So this is where I really need help-and please pass on to see additional answers. I have noticed only a few people ever answer or respond to emails but I can say much as I never do. :.(So I took Neveah to the ER Monday AM, as her temp dropped to 98.5, she could not move, and her rt eye was dilated and would not go back to normal and left eye appeared to be fine. Sunday my friend was in the room with her for hours and noticed the cat Neveah was acting/walking not correctly. Is anyone every heard of shaken cat syndrome-is it possible my friend dropped Neveah, or shook her in the room and caused her to have a blood clot-yes I am grasping here.As with everyone I feel bad, should I have been more aggressive in giving her sub q fluids, obviously too late now, she is gone.I have requested her latest blood panel for my records, but I know her kidney panels were not good. Is anyone in this group but any chance from the Milwaukee area/ Or there any vets in this group, whom would be willing to speak with me.Please be as honest as possible-or if you need more information before you answer please let me know that as well

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[Felvtalk] feline leuk and shaken cat syndrome ??

[Roxanne Smith]

It has been awhile since I have looked at my emails and or participated in this 
group-but I am desperate for some help and answers, of which I am not even sure 
I explain all in an email.Here goes, another one of my feline leuk cats died 
yesterday (Monday) AM.She dropped to 6.4 pounds, lost a pound in one month-has 
not really been eating for days, keeping to herself, hiding, but would sit by 
me. The last two or three days she would no longer sleep with me.I went to 
Florida a couple of weeks ago, had a babysitter come in daily to check on 
her-and she appeared to be doing well but starting going downhill, Neveah--cat 
lost about one pound in a month time period.So this is where I really need 
help-and please pass on to see additional answers. I have noticed only a few 
people ever answer or respond to emails but I can say much as I never do. :.(So 
I took Neveah to the ER Monday AM, as her temp dropped to 98.5, she could not 
move, and her rt eye was dilated and would not go back to normal and left eye 
appeared to be fine. Sunday my friend was in the room with her for hours and 
noticed the cat Neveah was acting/walking not correctly. Is anyone every heard 
of shaken cat syndrome-is it possible my friend dropped Neveah, or shook her in 
the room and caused her to have a blood clot-yes I am grasping here.As with 
everyone I feel bad, should I have been more aggressive in giving her sub q 
fluids, obviously too late now, she is gone.I have requested her latest blood 
panel for my records, but I know her kidney panels were not good. Is anyone in 
this group but any chance from the Milwaukee area/ Or there any vets in this 
group, whom would be willing to speak with me.Please be as honest as 
possible-or if you need more information before you answer please let me know 
that as well
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