Re: [Felvtalk] Curly's appetite...

[ROBERT CHAPEL]

Randy

I'm not sure if the dosages of prednisone and Winstrol Curly will be 
getting are in the range that were formerly used for appetite 
stimulation in Kitties...( yes in the " old " days Corticosterioids AND 
anabolic Steroids were the go to drugs for appetite stimulation but 
often did more harm than good if not used judiciously.    The other 
drug that Ardy was referring to was likely Cyproheptadine... an 
antihistamine that has since been replaced by Mirtazapine ( an 
antidepressant in humans) in part due to an easier dosing schedule( 
Daily to Q3days vs every 8 hours or so for the Cypro   There are 
many who still swear by the Cyproheptadine( I'll write out the full word 
rather than cause the confusion of mixing it up with the antibiotic_ 
Cipro. All of the above have worked a " little " for my different 
cats over the years.   Most recently I used Mirtazapine for my boy Yogi 
( who has been on no less than 10 different Meds in the past few months 
and it worked well for a couple of days... but then not at all. 
Fortunately the crisis passed and he went back to eating on his own when 
the pain in his eye subsided ( Now he appears to be developing Nasal 
complications due to all the damn Eye Drops I have to give him to keep 
his Uveitis at bay and clear up the Ocular Herpes that caused the whole 
mess.  FeLV can be a challenge for some unlucky Kitties for 
sure    Have any of the folks here who have used he combination of 
Prednisolone and Wintrol noticed increases in appetite??



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Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2016 20:25:39 -0500
From: Sherri Godschalk To: Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bogey's Blood Test 
Today These look worse PG 2

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Well I am not sure he noticed some of the increases on page 2 here. It 
seems

like all of these are going the wrong direction. She isn?t showing any
jaundice and her gait is much improved but still having some issues 
with
balance. I ask them to run the full battery of blood tests today but 
it
doesn?t look like they did. Do you all agree that these numbers are 
not

better but in fact worse than when they released her on Dec 14th?
Scale 20-Dec 14-Dec 12-Dec
 GLU 74-159 122 125 178
 BUN 16-36 21 14 23
 CREA 08-2.4 1.1 0.8 1.3
 BUN/CREA  19 18 18
 PHOS 3.1-7.5   4.5
 CA 7.8-11.3   9.8  TP 5.7-8.9 8.1 7.9 8.7
 ALB 2.2-4.0 3.4 2.9 3.1
 GLOB 2.8-5.1 4.7 5 5.6
 ALB/GLB  0.7 0.6 0.6
 ALT 12-130 581 192 237
 ALKP 14-111 81 42 39
 GGT 0-4   8   TBIL .0-.9  27.2 27.9
 CHOL 65-225   170  AMYL 500-1500   842
 LIPA 100-1400   255
 NA 150-165   158   K 3.5-5.8   3.4   NA/K46   CL 112-129   114 
OSM CALC318 Sherri



From:  Felvtalk  on behalf of Randy
Henke Reply-To:  Date:  Tuesday, December 20, 2016 at 4:54 PM
To:  Subject:  Re: [Felvtalk] Bogey's Blood Test Today

That is phenomenal, Sherri! I'm hoping for a repeat of that 
performance with

our girl, Curly.

On Tue, Dec 20, 2016 at 3:48 PM, Sherri Godschalk wrote:
Bogey is still improving. The Dr came out to talk with me himself 
instead of
sending out a tech. Never does that. He said everything looked good 
except her
red blood cells have gotten smaller but there are more of them. As 
well as him
being concerned about infection since her WBC and NEU are elevated. I 
read
that can be from pred and he gave her a shot of it before he sent her 
home
last week when normally I gave her a pill each day. He wants me to 
start her
back on the Doxy and Winstrol but not the pred yet. I still feel like 
it might
be soon on the Winstrol since she hasn't been out of the hospital for 
even a
week yet. I will post the 2nd page of the blood test later if anyone 
is

interested. But LOOK at the Platelet count...go Bogey!

   Range 20-Dec 12-Dec 26-Oct 30-Sep 16-Sep 24-Aug
 RBC 6.54 12.2 5.57 4.99 2.54 2.9 2.57 2.43
 HCT 30.3 52.3 30.9 35.1 14.8 17.9 15.3 15.3
 HGB 9.8 16.2 10.2 10.4 5.2 6.2 5.5 5.3
 MCV 35.9 53.1 55.5 70.3 58.3 61.7 59.1 62.6
 MCH 11.8 17.3 18.3 20.8 20.5 21.4 21.4 21.8
 MCHC 28.1 35.8 33 29.6 35.1 34.6 36.2 34.9
 RDW 15 27 23.8 22.2 24.5 25.2 23.7 23.9
 RETIC 3 50 37.3 27.4 89.9 82.1 78.1 61.5
 WBC 2.87 17.02 

[Felvtalk] FW: Bogey's Blood Test Today These look worse PG 2

[Amani Oakley]

Sorry - forget the name Clavamox for the antibiotic I meant to suggest below.

Amani


From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amani 
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Sent: December-21-16 2:15 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bogey's Blood Test Today These look worse PG 2

Hi Sherri

Yes, I agree with you that the biochemistry liver enzymes look worse. The rest 
of the biochemistry tests look fine, but the ALT and AST have gone up, and they 
didn't repeat either the Total Bilirubin or the GGT, which are the other 
results that assist in assessing the liver.

However, Bogey is doing better by your description, so be patient and continue 
with what you are doing. I still think that you could hold off for another 
little while on the Winstrol and Doxycyline and that is supported by the liver 
enzyme test results. However, there has been a noticeable drop in the 
haematocrit. You're still within the reference range, but this is the same 
thing I had witnessed with my cat, and how I affirmed for myself that it was 
the Winstrol/Doxycyline which was causing the increase in the red cell 
parameters, because every time I tried to reduce the dosage or stop the 
medication, I would see an immediate drop in the numbers. It seems pretty clear 
that (a) the increase you saw at the end of October was because you added the 
Doxycycline to the Winstrol treatment regime. You got a dramatic jump in the 
numbers. Now, when you stopped the Doxycycline/Winstrol, you see a definitive 
drop in haematocrit levels. However, as I said, you still have a significant 
cushion before the numbers get concerning again.

I agree with your vet that your cat has some sort of bacterial infection. The 
significant number in white cells is quite marked, and when you see the 
breakdown, that increase in white cells is almost completely composed of 
neutrophils, which is the type of cell which increases in the presence of 
bacteria, versus lymphocytes which increase with a viral challenge. Your vet 
should consider adding another antibiotic, in addition to the Doxycyline. 
Something broad spectrum, perhaps, like _.

I also not the excellent news that the platelet count has actually doubled. 
This is really, really wonderful, and quite dramatic.

The basophils are elevated which can happen with liver problems or may reflect 
an immune/allergic type response (along with mast cells).

Overall, she is still looking pretty good, but I agree with your concern about 
wanting to wait a bit more on putting her back on the Winstrol/Doxycycline. On 
the other hand, your vet might be concerned about the slippage, and may not 
want to lose ground.

Amani
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Re: [Felvtalk] Bogey's Blood Test Today These look worse PG 2

[Amani Oakley]

Hi Sherri

Yes, I agree with you that the biochemistry liver enzymes look worse. The rest 
of the biochemistry tests look fine, but the ALT and AST have gone up, and they 
didn't repeat either the Total Bilirubin or the GGT, which are the other 
results that assist in assessing the liver.

However, Bogey is doing better by your description, so be patient and continue 
with what you are doing. I still think that you could hold off for another 
little while on the Winstrol and Doxycyline and that is supported by the liver 
enzyme test results. However, there has been a noticeable drop in the 
haematocrit. You're still within the reference range, but this is the same 
thing I had witnessed with my cat, and how I affirmed for myself that it was 
the Winstrol/Doxycyline which was causing the increase in the red cell 
parameters, because every time I tried to reduce the dosage or stop the 
medication, I would see an immediate drop in the numbers. It seems pretty clear 
that (a) the increase you saw at the end of October was because you added the 
Doxycycline to the Winstrol treatment regime. You got a dramatic jump in the 
numbers. Now, when you stopped the Doxycycline/Winstrol, you see a definitive 
drop in haematocrit levels. However, as I said, you still have a significant 
cushion before the numbers get concerning again.

I agree with your vet that your cat has some sort of bacterial infection. The 
significant number in white cells is quite marked, and when you see the 
breakdown, that increase in white cells is almost completely composed of 
neutrophils, which is the type of cell which increases in the presence of 
bacteria, versus lymphocytes which increase with a viral challenge. Your vet 
should consider adding another antibiotic, in addition to the Doxycyline. 
Something broad spectrum, perhaps, like _.

I also not the excellent news that the platelet count has actually doubled. 
This is really, really wonderful, and quite dramatic.

The basophils are elevated which can happen with liver problems or may reflect 
an immune/allergic type response (along with mast cells).

Overall, she is still looking pretty good, but I agree with your concern about 
wanting to wait a bit more on putting her back on the Winstrol/Doxycycline. On 
the other hand, your vet might be concerned about the slippage, and may not 
want to lose ground.

Amani
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Re: [Felvtalk] Bogeys Blood Test Today

[ROBERT CHAPEL]

Sherri...

I don't know if it is possible to, perhaps, format the data differently 
but I am having a difficult time
reading the Blood results...they are all running togetheralso 
are the data on the right the older and getting newer as we move to the 
left??  A shame this site doesn't ( at least to my knowledge) have a 
function for making a table ( or including a table when posting) it 
would make matters a LOT easier...
BTW... While I understand your concerns re: Bogey on balance... 
She's looking pretty darn good for a FeLV Kitty...    If my boys blood 
values were that good I'd be quite pleased ( apart from the notable 
LIver Values). Hang in there...



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Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2016 20:25:39 -0500
From: Sherri Godschalk To: Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bogey's Blood Test 
Today These look worse PG 2

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Well I am not sure he noticed some of the increases on page 2 here. It 
seems

like all of these are going the wrong direction. She isn?t showing any
jaundice and her gait is much improved but still having some issues 
with
balance. I ask them to run the full battery of blood tests today but 
it
doesn?t look like they did. Do you all agree that these numbers are 
not

better but in fact worse than when they released her on Dec 14th?
Scale 20-Dec 14-Dec 12-Dec
 GLU 74-159 122 125 178
 BUN 16-36 21 14 23
 CREA 08-2.4 1.1 0.8 1.3
 BUN/CREA  19 18 18
 PHOS 3.1-7.5   4.5
 CA 7.8-11.3   9.8  TP 5.7-8.9 8.1 7.9 8.7
 ALB 2.2-4.0 3.4 2.9 3.1
 GLOB 2.8-5.1 4.7 5 5.6
 ALB/GLB  0.7 0.6 0.6
 ALT 12-130 581 192 237
 ALKP 14-111 81 42 39
 GGT 0-4   8   TBIL .0-.9  27.2 27.9
 CHOL 65-225   170  AMYL 500-1500   842
 LIPA 100-1400   255
 NA 150-165   158   K 3.5-5.8   3.4   NA/K46   CL 112-129   114 
OSM CALC318 Sherri



From:  Felvtalk  on behalf of Randy
Henke Reply-To:  Date:  Tuesday, December 20, 2016 at 4:54 PM
To:  Subject:  Re: [Felvtalk] Bogey's Blood Test Today

That is phenomenal, Sherri! I'm hoping for a repeat of that 
performance with

our girl, Curly.

On Tue, Dec 20, 2016 at 3:48 PM, Sherri Godschalk wrote:
Bogey is still improving. The Dr came out to talk with me himself 
instead of
sending out a tech. Never does that. He said everything looked good 
except her
red blood cells have gotten smaller but there are more of them. As 
well as him
being concerned about infection since her WBC and NEU are elevated. I 
read
that can be from pred and he gave her a shot of it before he sent her 
home
last week when normally I gave her a pill each day. He wants me to 
start her
back on the Doxy and Winstrol but not the pred yet. I still feel like 
it might
be soon on the Winstrol since she hasn't been out of the hospital for 
even a
week yet. I will post the 2nd page of the blood test later if anyone 
is

interested. But LOOK at the Platelet count...go Bogey!

   Range 20-Dec 12-Dec 26-Oct 30-Sep 16-Sep 24-Aug
 RBC 6.54 12.2 5.57 4.99 2.54 2.9 2.57 2.43
 HCT 30.3 52.3 30.9 35.1 14.8 17.9 15.3 15.3
 HGB 9.8 16.2 10.2 10.4 5.2 6.2 5.5 5.3
 MCV 35.9 53.1 55.5 70.3 58.3 61.7 59.1 62.6
 MCH 11.8 17.3 18.3 20.8 20.5 21.4 21.4 21.8
 MCHC 28.1 35.8 33 29.6 35.1 34.6 36.2 34.9
 RDW 15 27 23.8 22.2 24.5 25.2 23.7 23.9
 RETIC 3 50 37.3 27.4 89.9 82.1 78.1 61.5
 WBC 2.87 17.02 22.34 8.59 13.05 12.01 14.47 13.46
 NEU 1.48 10.29 15.82 5.42 3.97 3.96 4.07 4.03
 LYM 0.92 6.88 3.98 2.21 7.8 6.81 8.83 7.75
 MONO 0.05 0.67 1.89 0.87 1.16 1.17 1.52 1.58
 EOS 0.17 1.57 0.49 0.08 0.11 0.06 0.004 0.01
 BASO 0.01 0.26 0.16 0.01 0.01 0.01 0.01 0
 PLT 151 800 295 122 28 53 88 50






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Re: [Felvtalk] Bogey's Blood Test Today

[Ardy Robertson]

Best of luck to both Bogey and Curly!! This is great news!

Ardy

 

 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Randy 
Henke
Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2016 3:54 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bogey's Blood Test Today

 

That is phenomenal, Sherri! I'm hoping for a repeat of that performance with 
our girl, Curly.

 

On Tue, Dec 20, 2016 at 3:48 PM, Sherri Godschalk  > wrote:

Bogey is still improving. The Dr came out to talk with me himself instead of 
sending out a tech. Never does that. He said everything looked good except her 
red blood cells have gotten smaller but there are more of them. As well as him 
being concerned about infection since her WBC and NEU are elevated. I read that 
can be from pred and he gave her a shot of it before he sent her home last week 
when normally I gave her a pill each day. He wants me to start her back on the 
Doxy and Winstrol but not the pred yet. I still feel like it might be soon on 
the Winstrol since she hasn't been out of the hospital for even a week yet. I 
will post the 2nd page of the blood test later if anyone is interested. But 
LOOK at the Platelet count...go Bogey!

 



Range

20-Dec

12-Dec

26-Oct

30-Sep

16-Sep

24-Aug


RBC

6.54

12.2

5.57

4.99

2.54

2.9

2.57

2.43


HCT

30.3

52.3

30.9

35.1

14.8

17.9

15.3

15.3


HGB

9.8

16.2

10.2

10.4

5.2

6.2

5.5

5.3


MCV

35.9

53.1

55.5

70.3

58.3

61.7

59.1

62.6


MCH

11.8

17.3

18.3

20.8

20.5

21.4

21.4

21.8


MCHC

28.1

35.8

33

29.6

35.1

34.6

36.2

34.9


RDW

15

27

23.8

22.2

24.5

25.2

23.7

23.9


RETIC

3

50

37.3

27.4

89.9

82.1

78.1

61.5


WBC

2.87

17.02

22.34

8.59

13.05

12.01

14.47

13.46


NEU

1.48

10.29

15.82

5.42

3.97

3.96

4.07

4.03


LYM

0.92

6.88

3.98

2.21

7.8

6.81

8.83

7.75


MONO

0.05

0.67

1.89

0.87

1.16

1.17

1.52

1.58


EOS

0.17

1.57

0.49

0.08

0.11

0.06

0.004

0.01


BASO

0.01

0.26

0.16

0.01

0.01

0.01

0.01

0


PLT

151

800

295

122

28

53

88

50

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Re: [Felvtalk] Availability of Winstrol....

[Ardy Robertson]

Hi Robert -- I did call Diamond Back Drugs and asked if they could  provide the 
names/contact information for vets who were willing to prescribe Winstrol and 
they said could not do that because they work with so many vets and clients 
from all over, and they figured it would be just too much of a task for them. 
They are very nice to work with though, so possibly if someone called and said 
for instance, do you know of a vet in the Cincinnati area that I could go to, 
maybe they would recommend someone. When I needed Winstrol for Tigger I changed 
vets because the one would not work with me on it. The new vet, I sort of 
stepped out of my usual passive self and announced rather boldly that this is 
what I wanted and if they weren't going to work with me, I would not be using 
them. I was polite but firm, and it worked.

Ardy


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From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of ROBERT 
CHAPEL
Sent: Monday, December 19, 2016 11:38 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Availability of Winstrol

Randy...

Yes... you DO have a good vet... or a least one that is willing to think 
outside the litter box..
I am getting VERY frustrated and soon very angry at the unwillingness of my 
local vets to have anything to do with Winstrol  I can not comprehend a  
vet having NO reasonable alternative for a dying animal and STILL being 
unwilling to prescribe a drug that has shown efficacy with this disease
If my boy starts to go downhill from anemia and the vet still won't prescribe 
there is going to be a scene...
At the prices now being charged for Veterinary services I expect a LOT MORE 
than I am getting at this point...

Have been looking at International sources for the drug and on various 
bodybuilding sites but these are mostly B.S and one can not be sure if he is 
getting the real drug

I recall there being some discussion about  contacting Diamond Back and asking 
for vets that have requested the drug.  Did anyone in he forum ever do this 
???  I don't recall.It's worth a try I've used them for other drugs 
that I have ordered through the shelter where I volunteer


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> Our vet must be one of the good ones. He approved both Winstrol and 
> Doxycycline even though he has never used them for FELV positive cats.
> We'll be adding those onto Curly's Prednisone as soon as we get them. 
> So
> far she is hanging in there. She only eats Fancy Feast Gravy Lovers 
> (about a small can every other day) but her weight is holding around 7 
> pounds.
> About a half pound below her best weight before she got sick. She 
> still gets up to get drinks of water and use the litter box and she is 
> still grooming herself. She wants very little social interaction which 
> is not like her at all and she has very little energy, preferring to 
> stay on the bed almost all of the time. Her breathing is also fairly 
> rapid and has been for quite a few days.
>
> Hopefully this will be another success story for your kitty cocktail. 
> We'll
> owe you much if it works.
>
> On Mon, Dec 19, 2016 at 10:19 AM, Amani Oakley wrote:
>
>> Randy
>>
>>
>>
>> I really don?t know. I have only had experience with the pills which 
>> I found very effective. As a compromise option, I would take if that 
>> is the only way the vet will agree to proceed.
>>
>>
>>
>> Amani
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On 
>> Behalf Of *Randy Henke
>> *Sent:* December-19-16 9:46 AM
>> *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>> *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Questioning FELV diagnosis
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi Amani,
>>
>> I have a call in to our vet now about the Winstrol and Doxycycline. 
>> I've
>> read that there is also the option of getting a weekly shot of 
>> Winstrol as
>> opposed to the pills. If our vet balks at prescribing the pills but 
>> would
>> be willing to give her the shot would it still work as well?
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Dec 16, 

Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Questioning FELV diagnosis

[Ardy Robertson]

Best of luck to you with Curly  just wanted to mention there are appetite 
stimulant pills available. One that I remember that I used with Tigger was 
Mirtazapine and I only had to give a small part of a pill every 3 days. Amani 
knows of another one but I can’t remember the name of it.

 

Ardy

 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Randy 
Henke
Sent: Monday, December 19, 2016 8:10 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Questioning FELV diagnosis

 

Our vet must be one of the good ones. He approved both Winstrol and Doxycycline 
even though he has never used them for FELV positive cats. We'll be adding 
those onto Curly's Prednisone as soon as we get them. So far she is hanging in 
there. She only eats Fancy Feast Gravy Lovers (about a small can every other 
day) but her weight is holding around 7 pounds. About a half pound below her 
best weight before she got sick. She still gets up to get drinks of water and 
use the litter box and she is still grooming herself. She wants very little 
social interaction which is not like her at all and she has very little energy, 
preferring to stay on the bed almost all of the time. Her breathing is also 
fairly rapid and has been for quite a few days.

Hopefully this will be another success story for your kitty cocktail. We'll owe 
you much if it works.

 

On Mon, Dec 19, 2016 at 10:19 AM, Amani Oakley  > wrote:

Randy

 

I really don’t know. I have only had experience with the pills which I found 
very effective. As a compromise option, I would take if that is the only way 
the vet will agree to proceed. 

 

Amani

 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
 ] On Behalf Of Randy Henke
Sent: December-19-16 9:46 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org  
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Questioning FELV diagnosis

 

Hi Amani,

I have a call in to our vet now about the Winstrol and Doxycycline. I've read 
that there is also the option of getting a weekly shot of Winstrol as opposed 
to the pills. If our vet balks at prescribing the pills but would be willing to 
give her the shot would it still work as well?

 

On Fri, Dec 16, 2016 at 7:12 PM, Amani Oakley  > wrote:

Wishing you luck.

 

Amani

 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
 ] On Behalf Of Randy Henke
Sent: December-16-16 8:12 PM


To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org  
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Questioning FELV diagnosis

 

Thank you, Amani! I'll see what I can do to convince the vet on Monday.

 

On Fri, Dec 16, 2016 at 6:54 PM, Amani Oakley  > wrote:

1 mg 2 times a day. 

 

Amani

 

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 ] On Behalf Of Randy Henke
Sent: December-16-16 7:52 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org  
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Questioning FELV diagnosis

 

That is information that is definitely useful to me! Thanks so much! Do you 
know what dosage of Winstrol I should ask for for a 6.8 pound cat? I want to 
have as much info as possible when I talk to my vet on Monday.

 

On Fri, Dec 16, 2016 at 4:25 PM, Amani Oakley  > wrote:

No Randy, Winstrol is an anabolic steroid (unlike prednisone which is a 
corticosteroid) so it does not have a dampening effect on the immune system. 
What you need right now is something to stimulate red cell production. If your 
cat has FELV, then the problem is that the progenitor cells in the bone marrow 
will have been infiltrated/killed by the virus and thus, the red cell 
production is down. Red cells have a life span of 120 days in circulation, so 
once that is over and they die, then they must be replenished by a steady 
supply of new cells from the bone marrow. 

 

The only thing I have found that will do that is Winstrol. However, I use it in 
a cocktail with Doxycycline which has been found to retard the reproduction of 
viral RNA, and prednisone. This is the only combination of drugs that worked 
when my cat was in FELV crisis and had a haematocrit result of 5 (with the 
reference range being something like 25 to 35, off the top of my head). I had 
tried LTCI and interferon and even though I tested his blood weekly, I saw no 
change/improvement at all in his red cell count, haematocrit, hemoglobin, 
platelets, etc. It was only when I stumbled upon the use of Winstrol (he was 
already on prednisone and Doxy, but they don’t work without the Winstrol), that 
I saw a steady and sustained improvement in his haematology numbers.

 

The scandal, Randy, is that Winstrol is 

Re: [Felvtalk] Bogey's Blood Test Today These look worse PG 2

[Sherri Godschalk]

Well I am not sure he noticed some of the increases on page 2 here. It seems
like all of these are going the wrong direction. She isn¹t showing any
jaundice and her gait is much improved but still having some issues with
balance. I ask them to run the full battery of blood tests today but it
doesn¹t look like they did. Do you all agree that these numbers are not
better but in fact worse than when they released her on Dec 14th?
  
  Scale 20-Dec 14-Dec 12-Dec
 GLU 74-159 122 125 178
 BUN 16-36 21 14 23
 CREA 08-2.4 1.1 0.8 1.3
 BUN/CREA  19 18 18
 PHOS 3.1-7.5   4.5
 CA 7.8-11.3   9.8 
 TP 5.7-8.9 8.1 7.9 8.7
 ALB 2.2-4.0 3.4 2.9 3.1
 GLOB 2.8-5.1 4.7 5 5.6
 ALB/GLB  0.7 0.6 0.6
 ALT 12-130 581 192 237
 ALKP 14-111 81 42 39
 GGT 0-4   8  
 TBIL .0-.9  27.2 27.9
 CHOL 65-225   170 
 AMYL 500-1500   842
 LIPA 100-1400   255
 NA 150-165   158  
 K 3.5-5.8   3.4  
 NA/K46  
 CL 112-129   114  
 OSM CALC318 
Sherri


From:  Felvtalk  on behalf of Randy
Henke 
Reply-To:  
Date:  Tuesday, December 20, 2016 at 4:54 PM
To:  
Subject:  Re: [Felvtalk] Bogey's Blood Test Today

That is phenomenal, Sherri! I'm hoping for a repeat of that performance with
our girl, Curly.

On Tue, Dec 20, 2016 at 3:48 PM, Sherri Godschalk 
wrote:
> Bogey is still improving. The Dr came out to talk with me himself instead of
> sending out a tech. Never does that. He said everything looked good except her
> red blood cells have gotten smaller but there are more of them. As well as him
> being concerned about infection since her WBC and NEU are elevated. I read
> that can be from pred and he gave her a shot of it before he sent her home
> last week when normally I gave her a pill each day. He wants me to start her
> back on the Doxy and Winstrol but not the pred yet. I still feel like it might
> be soon on the Winstrol since she hasn't been out of the hospital for even a
> week yet. I will post the 2nd page of the blood test later if anyone is
> interested. But LOOK at the Platelet count...go Bogey!
> 
>  
>   Range 20-Dec 12-Dec 26-Oct 30-Sep 16-Sep 24-Aug
>  RBC 6.54 12.2 5.57 4.99 2.54 2.9 2.57 2.43
>  HCT 30.3 52.3 30.9 35.1 14.8 17.9 15.3 15.3
>  HGB 9.8 16.2 10.2 10.4 5.2 6.2 5.5 5.3
>  MCV 35.9 53.1 55.5 70.3 58.3 61.7 59.1 62.6
>  MCH 11.8 17.3 18.3 20.8 20.5 21.4 21.4 21.8
>  MCHC 28.1 35.8 33 29.6 35.1 34.6 36.2 34.9
>  RDW 15 27 23.8 22.2 24.5 25.2 23.7 23.9
>  RETIC 3 50 37.3 27.4 89.9 82.1 78.1 61.5
>  WBC 2.87 17.02 22.34 8.59 13.05 12.01 14.47 13.46
>  NEU 1.48 10.29 15.82 5.42 3.97 3.96 4.07 4.03
>  LYM 0.92 6.88 3.98 2.21 7.8 6.81 8.83 7.75
>  MONO 0.05 0.67 1.89 0.87 1.16 1.17 1.52 1.58
>  EOS 0.17 1.57 0.49 0.08 0.11 0.06 0.004 0.01
>  BASO 0.01 0.26 0.16 0.01 0.01 0.01 0.01 0
>  PLT 151 800 295 122 28 53 88 50
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Re: [Felvtalk] FW: FW: FW: Update on Bogey My FELV + Cat

[Sherri Godschalk]

Thanks for the tip Ardy. The pumpkin was a success in stopping a bad bout of
diarrhea for her. And she liked it. I had researched it and it said it was
good for constipation and diarrhea too. I will add this to my first aid kit
arsenal. Thank you again!

Sherri

From:  Felvtalk  on behalf of Ardy
Robertson 
Reply-To:  
Date:  Thursday, December 15, 2016 at 11:21 PM
To:  
Subject:  Re: [Felvtalk] FW:  FW:  FW:  Update on Bogey My FELV + Cat

My cats always looked like they had a camel¹s hump when the vet gave them
sub-q fluids, until they soaked in. Sometimes mine would leak a little on
the outside as well. I also gave a small amount of pure pumpkin (not the
spicy pie kind) and this is an excellent fiber source to make them have a
bowel movement.
Ardy
 

 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Sherri Godschalk
Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2016 8:34 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: FW: FW: Update on Bogey My FELV + Cat
 

Amani, 

Is she ridding herself of the jaundice when it comes out that color?

 

I have never done it myself. I did call the vet before they closed today and
ask if I could bring her in for sub Q in the morning and they agreed. I have
given insulin in the nap of the neck, is it about the same? I will inquire
when and if I need to go in tomorrow. I can probably get everything I would
need there. The car ride stresses her so it would be easier on her if I did
it. How much do you have to give at a time? She won¹t sit still for very
long. She needs more fluids also because she hasn¹t had a bowel movement
still and has had probably close to 7 oz of food today. She only weighs 5.5
pounds so she is taking in quite a bit. We have gone through 2 cans but
really I end up wearing at least part of each helping.

 

Bogey ate on her own tonight! This foodŠNutros. She mostly licked it but I
added water and so there was more moisture. This cat has not slept very
much. I am constantly waking her to feed and water her. I feel like this
could be taxing her some and that she is not getting enough rest. I may feed
more in fewer feedings tomorrow. For an animal that probably slept 13 hours
a dayŠshe has probably only had 7 or 8 hours total in the last 2 days and
that is on the high side. Needless to say I am sleeping an equal amount. We
do everything we can don¹t we.

 

Thanks for the SUBQ info. I think with this many animals I should know how
to do it. If Bogey survives this, no doubt with her illness she will need to
have this done a few times in her life time.

 

Sherri

 

From: Felvtalk  on behalf of Amani
Oakley 
Reply-To: 
Date: Thursday, December 15, 2016 at 8:31 PM
To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" 
Subject: [Felvtalk] FW: FW: FW: Update on Bogey My FELV + Cat

 

Sherri
 
Even without the issue of jaundice, if Bogey is dehydrated, the urine will
be darker.
 
Sherri, do you know how to give subcutaneous fluids? It is very easy.
Perhaps ask your vet to show you how. You just lift the loose skin at the
back of the neck, and you inject or run fluids into that gap under the skin,
behind the neck. The body will absorb the fluids as needed, so there is
virtually no risk of giving too much fluid ­ any excess fluid is just peed
out.
 
It is a life-saving technique that I wouldn¹t be without. I always keep
several bags of fluid in the house (ringer¹s lactate/saline/5% dextrose ­ I
hang onto any bags I can get) for use in an emergency. A droopy cat will
often respond immediately and miraculously to subcutaneous fluids ­ usually
saline or the ringer¹s lactate.
 
Amani
 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Sherri Godschalk
Sent: December-15-16 5:49 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: FW: Update on Bogey My FELV + Cat
 

Well I cannot seem to find anything that she will voluntarily drink. I think
chicken broth is next. She groomed herself some today. But the last time she
urinated it had started to turn more orange. Maybe this is expected? She
does have more bounce in her step. Walking straighter lines and less wobbly.
She is fighting me feeding her which is more her style. She meowed at me
today when I called her name. What a wonderful sound that was.

 

From: Felvtalk  on behalf of Amani
Oakley 
Reply-To: 
Date: Thursday, December 15, 2016 at 8:04 AM
To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: FW: Update on Bogey My FELV + Cat

 

You can take your milk and dilute it with warm water and stir it around.
 
Amani
 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Sherri Godschalk
Sent: 

Re: [Felvtalk] Bogey's Blood Test Today

[Sherri Godschalk]

I hope so too Randy!

From:  Felvtalk  on behalf of Randy
Henke 
Reply-To:  
Date:  Tuesday, December 20, 2016 at 4:54 PM
To:  
Subject:  Re: [Felvtalk] Bogey's Blood Test Today

That is phenomenal, Sherri! I'm hoping for a repeat of that performance with
our girl, Curly.

On Tue, Dec 20, 2016 at 3:48 PM, Sherri Godschalk 
wrote:
> Bogey is still improving. The Dr came out to talk with me himself instead of
> sending out a tech. Never does that. He said everything looked good except her
> red blood cells have gotten smaller but there are more of them. As well as him
> being concerned about infection since her WBC and NEU are elevated. I read
> that can be from pred and he gave her a shot of it before he sent her home
> last week when normally I gave her a pill each day. He wants me to start her
> back on the Doxy and Winstrol but not the pred yet. I still feel like it might
> be soon on the Winstrol since she hasn't been out of the hospital for even a
> week yet. I will post the 2nd page of the blood test later if anyone is
> interested. But LOOK at the Platelet count...go Bogey!
> 
>  
>   Range 20-Dec 12-Dec 26-Oct 30-Sep 16-Sep 24-Aug
>  RBC 6.54 12.2 5.57 4.99 2.54 2.9 2.57 2.43
>  HCT 30.3 52.3 30.9 35.1 14.8 17.9 15.3 15.3
>  HGB 9.8 16.2 10.2 10.4 5.2 6.2 5.5 5.3
>  MCV 35.9 53.1 55.5 70.3 58.3 61.7 59.1 62.6
>  MCH 11.8 17.3 18.3 20.8 20.5 21.4 21.4 21.8
>  MCHC 28.1 35.8 33 29.6 35.1 34.6 36.2 34.9
>  RDW 15 27 23.8 22.2 24.5 25.2 23.7 23.9
>  RETIC 3 50 37.3 27.4 89.9 82.1 78.1 61.5
>  WBC 2.87 17.02 22.34 8.59 13.05 12.01 14.47 13.46
>  NEU 1.48 10.29 15.82 5.42 3.97 3.96 4.07 4.03
>  LYM 0.92 6.88 3.98 2.21 7.8 6.81 8.83 7.75
>  MONO 0.05 0.67 1.89 0.87 1.16 1.17 1.52 1.58
>  EOS 0.17 1.57 0.49 0.08 0.11 0.06 0.004 0.01
>  BASO 0.01 0.26 0.16 0.01 0.01 0.01 0.01 0
>  PLT 151 800 295 122 28 53 88 50
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Re: [Felvtalk] Bogey's Blood Test Today

[Randy Henke]

That is phenomenal, Sherri! I'm hoping for a repeat of that performance
with our girl, Curly.

On Tue, Dec 20, 2016 at 3:48 PM, Sherri Godschalk 
wrote:

> Bogey is still improving. The Dr came out to talk with me himself instead
> of sending out a tech. Never does that. He said everything looked good
> except her red blood cells have gotten smaller but there are more of them.
> As well as him being concerned about infection since her WBC and NEU are
> elevated. I read that can be from pred and he gave her a shot of it before
> he sent her home last week when normally I gave her a pill each day. He
> wants me to start her back on the Doxy and Winstrol but not the pred yet. I
> still feel like it might be soon on the Winstrol since she hasn't been out
> of the hospital for even a week yet. I will post the 2nd page of the blood
> test later if anyone is interested. But LOOK at the Platelet count...go
> Bogey!
>
> Range 20-Dec 12-Dec 26-Oct 30-Sep 16-Sep 24-Aug
> RBC 6.54 12.2 5.57 4.99 2.54 2.9 2.57 2.43
> HCT 30.3 52.3 30.9 35.1 14.8 17.9 15.3 15.3
> HGB 9.8 16.2 10.2 10.4 5.2 6.2 5.5 5.3
> MCV 35.9 53.1 55.5 70.3 58.3 61.7 59.1 62.6
> MCH 11.8 17.3 18.3 20.8 20.5 21.4 21.4 21.8
> MCHC 28.1 35.8 33 29.6 35.1 34.6 36.2 34.9
> RDW 15 27 23.8 22.2 24.5 25.2 23.7 23.9
> RETIC 3 50 37.3 27.4 89.9 82.1 78.1 61.5
> WBC 2.87 17.02 22.34 8.59 13.05 12.01 14.47 13.46
> NEU 1.48 10.29 15.82 5.42 3.97 3.96 4.07 4.03
> LYM 0.92 6.88 3.98 2.21 7.8 6.81 8.83 7.75
> MONO 0.05 0.67 1.89 0.87 1.16 1.17 1.52 1.58
> EOS 0.17 1.57 0.49 0.08 0.11 0.06 0.004 0.01
> BASO 0.01 0.26 0.16 0.01 0.01 0.01 0.01 0
> PLT 151 800 295 122 28 53 88 50
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[Felvtalk] Bogey's Blood Test Today

[Sherri Godschalk]

Bogey is still improving. The Dr came out to talk with me himself instead
of sending out a tech. Never does that. He said everything looked good
except her red blood cells have gotten smaller but there are more of them.
As well as him being concerned about infection since her WBC and NEU are
elevated. I read that can be from pred and he gave her a shot of it before
he sent her home last week when normally I gave her a pill each day. He
wants me to start her back on the Doxy and Winstrol but not the pred yet. I
still feel like it might be soon on the Winstrol since she hasn't been out
of the hospital for even a week yet. I will post the 2nd page of the blood
test later if anyone is interested. But LOOK at the Platelet count...go
Bogey!

Range 20-Dec 12-Dec 26-Oct 30-Sep 16-Sep 24-Aug
RBC 6.54 12.2 5.57 4.99 2.54 2.9 2.57 2.43
HCT 30.3 52.3 30.9 35.1 14.8 17.9 15.3 15.3
HGB 9.8 16.2 10.2 10.4 5.2 6.2 5.5 5.3
MCV 35.9 53.1 55.5 70.3 58.3 61.7 59.1 62.6
MCH 11.8 17.3 18.3 20.8 20.5 21.4 21.4 21.8
MCHC 28.1 35.8 33 29.6 35.1 34.6 36.2 34.9
RDW 15 27 23.8 22.2 24.5 25.2 23.7 23.9
RETIC 3 50 37.3 27.4 89.9 82.1 78.1 61.5
WBC 2.87 17.02 22.34 8.59 13.05 12.01 14.47 13.46
NEU 1.48 10.29 15.82 5.42 3.97 3.96 4.07 4.03
LYM 0.92 6.88 3.98 2.21 7.8 6.81 8.83 7.75
MONO 0.05 0.67 1.89 0.87 1.16 1.17 1.52 1.58
EOS 0.17 1.57 0.49 0.08 0.11 0.06 0.004 0.01
BASO 0.01 0.26 0.16 0.01 0.01 0.01 0.01 0
PLT 151 800 295 122 28 53 88 50






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Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Questioning FELV diagnosis

[dlgegg]

So far, Annie has had no problems and I hope it stays that way.  keeping all 
dealinhg with this in my prayers.

 Amani Oakley  wrote: 
> Randy
> 
> I really don’t know. I have only had experience with the pills which I found 
> very effective. As a compromise option, I would take if that is the only way 
> the vet will agree to proceed.
> 
> Amani
> 
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
> Randy Henke
> Sent: December-19-16 9:46 AM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Questioning FELV diagnosis
> 
> Hi Amani,
> I have a call in to our vet now about the Winstrol and Doxycycline. I've read 
> that there is also the option of getting a weekly shot of Winstrol as opposed 
> to the pills. If our vet balks at prescribing the pills but would be willing 
> to give her the shot would it still work as well?
> 
> On Fri, Dec 16, 2016 at 7:12 PM, Amani Oakley 
> > wrote:
> Wishing you luck.
> 
> Amani
> 
> From: Felvtalk 
> [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org]
>  On Behalf Of Randy Henke
> Sent: December-16-16 8:12 PM
> 
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Questioning FELV diagnosis
> 
> Thank you, Amani! I'll see what I can do to convince the vet on Monday.
> 
> On Fri, Dec 16, 2016 at 6:54 PM, Amani Oakley 
> > wrote:
> 1 mg 2 times a day.
> 
> Amani
> 
> From: Felvtalk 
> [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org]
>  On Behalf Of Randy Henke
> Sent: December-16-16 7:52 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Questioning FELV diagnosis
> 
> That is information that is definitely useful to me! Thanks so much! Do you 
> know what dosage of Winstrol I should ask for for a 6.8 pound cat? I want to 
> have as much info as possible when I talk to my vet on Monday.
> 
> On Fri, Dec 16, 2016 at 4:25 PM, Amani Oakley 
> > wrote:
> No Randy, Winstrol is an anabolic steroid (unlike prednisone which is a 
> corticosteroid) so it does not have a dampening effect on the immune system. 
> What you need right now is something to stimulate red cell production. If 
> your cat has FELV, then the problem is that the progenitor cells in the bone 
> marrow will have been infiltrated/killed by the virus and thus, the red cell 
> production is down. Red cells have a life span of 120 days in circulation, so 
> once that is over and they die, then they must be replenished by a steady 
> supply of new cells from the bone marrow.
> 
> The only thing I have found that will do that is Winstrol. However, I use it 
> in a cocktail with Doxycycline which has been found to retard the 
> reproduction of viral RNA, and prednisone. This is the only combination of 
> drugs that worked when my cat was in FELV crisis and had a haematocrit result 
> of 5 (with the reference range being something like 25 to 35, off the top of 
> my head). I had tried LTCI and interferon and even though I tested his blood 
> weekly, I saw no change/improvement at all in his red cell count, 
> haematocrit, hemoglobin, platelets, etc. It was only when I stumbled upon the 
> use of Winstrol (he was already on prednisone and Doxy, but they don’t work 
> without the Winstrol), that I saw a steady and sustained improvement in his 
> haematology numbers.
> 
> The scandal, Randy, is that Winstrol is one of the steroids often implicated 
> in athletic doping scandals, so vets seem to be gun shy about prescribing it. 
> Also, some years ago, a very poorly conducted experiment was published where 
> cats where given 10 times the recommended dose of Winstrol as a “loading 
> dose” and developed liver problems. So between these two driving forces, you 
> have a lot of uneducated vets who will either think you are “unethical” for 
> asking for the Winstrol, or believe it is a harmful drug thanks to the stupid 
> scientific study that was published. Plus, even where they are willing to 
> prescribe it (like in Sherri’s case) they don’t recognize the need to couple 
> it with the Doxycycline, and thus, you do get a weak boost of the red cells, 
> etc., but the virus is reproducing rampantly, so in the end, the virus wins. 
> (Then, of course, not recognizing the need for the Doxy, those same vets will 
> view the use of Winstrol as a failure and not likely use it again.)
> 
> Other medications that might increase red cell production are erythropoietin 
> and related medications, but erythropoietin does not encourage bone marrow 
> growth and development as Winstrol does. Thus, if the progenitor cells in the 
> bone marrow, which produce red cells, white cells and platelets, have been 
> killed by the virus (or 

Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Questioning FELV diagnosis

[Sherri Godschalk]

Randy,
That is wonderful news! Hopefully your Curly will respond to the treatment
as well as Bogey has. So glad you have a vet that is willing to try this
combination. Best wishes!

Sherri

From:  Felvtalk  on behalf of Randy
Henke 
Reply-To:  
Date:  Monday, December 19, 2016 at 9:10 PM
To:  
Subject:  Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Questioning FELV diagnosis

Our vet must be one of the good ones. He approved both Winstrol and
Doxycycline even though he has never used them for FELV positive cats. We'll
be adding those onto Curly's Prednisone as soon as we get them. So far she
is hanging in there. She only eats Fancy Feast Gravy Lovers (about a small
can every other day) but her weight is holding around 7 pounds. About a half
pound below her best weight before she got sick. She still gets up to get
drinks of water and use the litter box and she is still grooming herself.
She wants very little social interaction which is not like her at all and
she has very little energy, preferring to stay on the bed almost all of the
time. Her breathing is also fairly rapid and has been for quite a few days.

Hopefully this will be another success story for your kitty cocktail. We'll
owe you much if it works.

On Mon, Dec 19, 2016 at 10:19 AM, Amani Oakley 
wrote:
> Randy
>  
> I really don’t know. I have only had experience with the pills which I found
> very effective. As a compromise option, I would take if that is the only way
> the vet will agree to proceed.
>  
> Amani
>  
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Randy
> Henke
> Sent: December-19-16 9:46 AM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Questioning FELV diagnosis
> 
>  
> 
> Hi Amani,
> I have a call in to our vet now about the Winstrol and Doxycycline. I've read
> that there is also the option of getting a weekly shot of Winstrol as opposed
> to the pills. If our vet balks at prescribing the pills but would be willing
> to give her the shot would it still work as well?
> 
>  
> 
> On Fri, Dec 16, 2016 at 7:12 PM, Amani Oakley  wrote:
> 
> Wishing you luck.
>  
> Amani
>  
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Randy
> Henke
> Sent: December-16-16 8:12 PM
> 
> 
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Questioning FELV diagnosis
> 
>  
> 
> Thank you, Amani! I'll see what I can do to convince the vet on Monday.
> 
>  
> 
> On Fri, Dec 16, 2016 at 6:54 PM, Amani Oakley  wrote:
> 
> 1 mg 2 times a day.
>  
> Amani
>  
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Randy
> Henke
> Sent: December-16-16 7:52 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Questioning FELV diagnosis
> 
>  
> 
> That is information that is definitely useful to me! Thanks so much! Do you
> know what dosage of Winstrol I should ask for for a 6.8 pound cat? I want to
> have as much info as possible when I talk to my vet on Monday.
> 
>  
> 
> On Fri, Dec 16, 2016 at 4:25 PM, Amani Oakley  wrote:
> 
> No Randy, Winstrol is an anabolic steroid (unlike prednisone which is a
> corticosteroid) so it does not have a dampening effect on the immune system.
> What you need right now is something to stimulate red cell production. If your
> cat has FELV, then the problem is that the progenitor cells in the bone marrow
> will have been infiltrated/killed by the virus and thus, the red cell
> production is down. Red cells have a life span of 120 days in circulation, so
> once that is over and they die, then they must be replenished by a steady
> supply of new cells from the bone marrow.
>  
> The only thing I have found that will do that is Winstrol. However, I use it
> in a cocktail with Doxycycline which has been found to retard the reproduction
> of viral RNA, and prednisone. This is the only combination of drugs that
> worked when my cat was in FELV crisis and had a haematocrit result of 5 (with
> the reference range being something like 25 to 35, off the top of my head). I
> had tried LTCI and interferon and even though I tested his blood weekly, I saw
> no change/improvement at all in his red cell count, haematocrit, hemoglobin,
> platelets, etc. It was only when I stumbled upon the use of Winstrol (he was
> already on prednisone and Doxy, but they don’t work without the Winstrol),
> that I saw a steady and sustained improvement in his haematology numbers.
>  
> The scandal, Randy, is that Winstrol is one of the steroids often implicated
> in athletic doping scandals, so vets seem to be gun shy about prescribing it.
> Also, some years ago, a very poorly conducted experiment was published where
> cats where given 10 times the recommended dose of Winstrol as a “loading dose”
> and developed liver problems. So between these two