Re: [Felvtalk] Zander's Protocol

[Ardy Robertson]

Amani – this sounds logical to me. I wonder if this could be done at a vet 
school. It could be a breakthrough in FeLV treatment!

Ardy

 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amani 
Oakley
Sent: Wednesday, March 1, 2017 1:00 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Zander's Protocol

 

Jen

 

If that were my cat, I would consider putting him on a 4 to 6 week course of 
the Doxycycline. Before my cat, Zander, had his BIG crash when his haematocrit 
went down to 5, he had a mini crash about 2-3 months before. We were (stupidly) 
reassured by the fact that he recovered with the use of the Doxycycline. In 
hindsight, I have said many times to my husband, that I should have kept Zander 
on the Doxycycline. It has anti-RNA replication properties which might be the 
reason it sometimes seems to be effective in cases involving FeLV – ie – it 
interferes with the ability of the virus to replicate.

 

I saw a programme last night on the fight against the Ebola virus, and I was 
struck by something that one of the doctors said. This particular doctor was 
himself infected by Ebola as he attempted to treat others who had the 
infection. He spent 40 days in isolation, with one body system after another 
shutting down and requiring medical intervention to keep him alive. After 40 
days, he began to recover and became symptom free. He was of the view that the 
body can ultimately be able to mount an immunological attack on just about 
every challenge, if it can survive long enough to do so. It got me thinking 
about FeLV and I wondered if perhaps Zander’s protocol helps the body to stay 
alive (not succumb to things like anemia, and internal bleeding from low 
platelets, etc), long enough to permit the cat’s own immune response to the 
virus. I have no idea of course, and it is all conjecture on my part, but I 
think that the Doxy plays a role in slowing down viral replication. Thus, if a 
cat tests positive for FeLV, putting him on Doxy for a 4-6 week period, then 
that might give the cat the opportunity to mount an immune response. And again, 
please recognize that the time frame is just me thinking this sounds good 
because it needs to be a longer duration than the average bacterial infection – 
it may need to be even longer than that.

 

Amani

 

 

 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
Jennifer Olson
Sent: March-01-17 1:28 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org  
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Zander's Protocol

 

Thank you for clarifying for me so quickly ! ! !

My new fur-baby, now called Figaro (husband named because this stray was 
"singing" outside on COLD morning Dec 22nd), is not sick with anything r/t 
being FeLV+ presently.

What I understand is this regimen is for cats in hemodynamic crisis?

Do you advise any action now, to suppress the leukemia virus?

Jen

 

On Mar 1, 2017 12:09 PM, "Amani Oakley"  > wrote:

No – it’s just what I call it, in honour of my baby boy, Zander. I have just 
referred to it as such, here, among friends.

 

Amani

 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
 ] On Behalf Of Jennifer Olson
Sent: March-01-17 1:07 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org  
Subject: [Felvtalk] Zander's Protocol

 

I tried searching for Zander's protocol online with no results. Is this a term 
or phrase coined here, or widely used in veterinary medicine?

Thx, Jen


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[Felvtalk] HTH Re: How coyld I foeget?!?!?

[kat]

Jen,

 

HTH is 'short hand' for 'Hope that Helps'

 

Kat (Mew Jersey)

 

Sent: Sunday, March 05, 2017 at 9:54 AM
From: "Jennifer Olson" 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org, Margo 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] How coyld I foeget?!?!?


It is Advantage Multi   =~D   Have been trying to soothe his ears and hopefully SUFFOCATE some of the lil buggers with olive oil & cotton ball massaging. Persistant monsters!
What does HTH mean?

Jen


 
On Mar 5, 2017 7:52 AM, "Margo"  wrote:





p.s.. If the Ivermectin is to treat the Demodex, I never had any luck with that, but then, I've only treated dogs. I had success with Advantage Multi every two weeks, and most recently, Bravecto as labeled.

HTH

Margo
 
-Original Message-
From: Jennifer Olson
Sent: Mar 4, 2017 9:22 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] How coyld I foeget?!?!?
 
May be asking for THAT on Monday. I just pray his neutering is in the very near future!

 
On Mar 4, 2017 8:19 PM, "Amani Oakley"  wrote:




That’s so weird. I have used Revolution, and it gets rid of the ear mites with a single application.

 

Amani

 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Jennifer Olson
Sent: March-04-17 9:18 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] How coyld I foeget?!?!?

 


The demodex gatoi !  Figaro would very likely NOT have gotten the parasite if the FeLV wasn't present.


Still working on that & ear mites- oral ivermectin every other day and a topical product meant to be used once/ mo Vet said to apply every 2 wks for approx 6 wks. Ear mites are quite stubborn, but the skin mites are succuming- maybe even OFF him now.



Jen





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Re: [Felvtalk] How coyld I foeget?!?!?

[Sandy]

I understand the mite reproduces/hatches in 7-10 cycles + had a cat (not FeLV) 
with persistent "ear mites" ended up to be a yeast infection - finally did a 
culture - just an fyi 

Sandy W 

- Original Message -

From: dlg...@windstream.net 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Sunday, March 5, 2017 12:02:26 PM 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] How coyld I foeget?!?!? 

lBut that is the one that caused hair loss at the site so I stopped it. 

 Amani Oakley  wrote: 
> That’s so weird. I have used Revolution, and it gets rid of the ear mites 
> with a single application. 
> 
> Amani 
> 
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
> Jennifer Olson 
> Sent: March-04-17 9:18 PM 
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
> Subject: [Felvtalk] How coyld I foeget?!?!? 
> 
> The demodex gatoi ! Figaro would very likely NOT have gotten the parasite if 
> the FeLV wasn't present. 
> Still working on that & ear mites- oral ivermectin every other day and a 
> topical product meant to be used once/ mo Vet said to apply every 2 wks for 
> approx 6 wks. Ear mites are quite stubborn, but the skin mites are succuming- 
> maybe even OFF him now. 
> Jen 


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Re: [Felvtalk] How coyld I foeget?!?!?

[dlgegg]

lBut that is the one that caused hair loss at the site so I stopped it.

 Amani Oakley  wrote: 
> That’s so weird. I have used Revolution, and it gets rid of the ear mites 
> with a single application.
> 
> Amani
> 
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
> Jennifer Olson
> Sent: March-04-17 9:18 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: [Felvtalk] How coyld I foeget?!?!?
> 
> The demodex gatoi !  Figaro would very likely NOT have gotten the parasite if 
> the FeLV wasn't present.
> Still working on that & ear mites- oral ivermectin every other day and a 
> topical product meant to be used once/ mo Vet said to apply every 2 wks for 
> approx 6 wks. Ear mites are quite stubborn, but the skin mites are succuming- 
> maybe even OFF him now.
> Jen


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Re: [Felvtalk] How coyld I foeget?!?!?

[Jennifer Olson]

It is Advantage Multi   =~D   Have been trying to soothe his ears and
hopefully SUFFOCATE some of the lil buggers with olive oil & cotton ball
massaging. Persistant monsters!
What does HTH mean?
Jen

On Mar 5, 2017 7:52 AM, "Margo"  wrote:

>
>
> p.s.. If the Ivermectin is to treat the Demodex, I never had any luck with
> that, but then, I've only treated dogs. I had success with Advantage Multi
> every two weeks, and most recently, Bravecto as labeled.
>
> HTH
>
> Margo
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Jennifer Olson
> Sent: Mar 4, 2017 9:22 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] How coyld I foeget?!?!?
>
> May be asking for THAT on Monday. I just pray his neutering is in the very
> near future!
>
> On Mar 4, 2017 8:19 PM, "Amani Oakley"  wrote:
>
>> That’s so weird. I have used Revolution, and it gets rid of the ear mites
>> with a single application.
>>
>>
>>
>> Amani
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf
>> Of *Jennifer Olson
>> *Sent:* March-04-17 9:18 PM
>> *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>> *Subject:* [Felvtalk] How coyld I foeget?!?!?
>>
>>
>>
>> The demodex gatoi !  Figaro would very likely NOT have gotten the
>> parasite if the FeLV wasn't present.
>>
>> Still working on that & ear mites- oral ivermectin every other day and a
>> topical product meant to be used once/ mo Vet said to apply every 2 wks for
>> approx 6 wks. Ear mites are quite stubborn, but the skin mites are
>> succuming- maybe even OFF him now.
>>
>> Jen
>>
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Re: [Felvtalk] How coyld I foeget?!?!?

[Margo]

p.s.. If the Ivermectin is to treat the Demodex, I never had any luck with that, but then, I've only treated dogs. I had success with Advantage Multi every two weeks, and most recently, Bravecto as labeled.HTHMargo-Original Message-
From: Jennifer Olson 
Sent: Mar 4, 2017 9:22 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] How coyld I foeget?!?!?

May be asking for THAT on Monday. I just pray his neutering is in the very near future!On Mar 4, 2017 8:19 PM, "Amani Oakley"  wrote:







That’s so weird. I have used Revolution, and it gets rid of the ear mites with a single application.
 
Amani
 
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces@felineleukemia.org]
On Behalf Of Jennifer Olson
Sent: March-04-17 9:18 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] How coyld I foeget?!?!?
 

The demodex gatoi !  Figaro would very likely NOT have gotten the parasite if the FeLV wasn't present.

Still working on that & ear mites- oral ivermectin every other day and a topical product meant to be used once/ mo Vet said to apply every 2 wks for approx 6 wks. Ear mites are quite stubborn, but the skin mites are succuming- maybe even
 OFF him now.


Jen





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[Felvtalk] Earmites was/Re: How could I forget?!?!?

[Margo]

I use a "recipe" from working at a shelter, one part 1% (cattle) Ivermectin, 9 parts propylene glycol. A couple of drops in each ear, and repeat in 10 days. Never failed. But if you're still giving Ivermectin orally, I wouldn't add more.Margo-Original Message-
From: Amani Oakley 
Sent: Mar 4, 2017 9:19 PM
To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] How coyld I foeget?!?!?














That’s so weird. I have used Revolution, and it gets rid of the ear mites with a single application.
 
Amani
 
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org]
On Behalf Of Jennifer Olson
Sent: March-04-17 9:18 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] How coyld I foeget?!?!?
 

The demodex gatoi !  Figaro would very likely NOT have gotten the parasite if the FeLV wasn't present.

Still working on that & ear mites- oral ivermectin every other day and a topical product meant to be used once/ mo Vet said to apply every 2 wks for approx 6 wks. Ear mites are quite stubborn, but the skin mites are succuming- maybe even
 OFF him now.


Jen







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