Ideas to make the car less stressful?
I am very lucky that Mio (who is often sick) loves the car, however many of the furbabes including my other kitty Oscar hate it. They get incredibly stressed out and come home form the vet feeling worse then ever. Does anyone have any tricks that have helped their cats stay calm? I have heard of Feliway and catnip helping, but what else has helped? Are there certain kinds of music that help? What about allowing them to explore the car prior to longer trips? Is the front seat better than the back? I would appreciate hearing your suggestions. Thank you, Kiley
RE: Dharma update
Try giving her something she can't resist (a little bit of yummy food or catnip). She's likely to hold still well eating it, you won't have long, but you should be able to get yourself 30 seconds of wiggle free time. I know it sounds crazy but this is what I do when I'm clipping Mio's nails, I usually have enough time to clip one paw before the catnip kicks in and all hope of her holding still is gone. Good luck! Kiley From: Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: Dharma update Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 11:07:06 -0600 I don't think I am creating a good tent - and I think that's the problem..:( she wiggles and sometimes it's hard to... I guess.. but I know that I cannot afford to miss it all the time..it could cost her life.. _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rosenfeldt, Diane Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2006 10:57 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: Dharma update Hideyo -- I'm glad you think Dharma is doing okay. Keep up the good work. As for the shots, are they supposed to be subQ and if so, are you injecting into a tent of skin that you pinch up with your fingers? Diane R. _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hideyo Yamamoto Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2006 11:51 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Dharma update Hi, I wanted to give you some update on Dharma - she has been feline interferon almost a week now (every other day protocol) --- except that I am not sure how much I am getting it to her as every time I poke I see liquid outside of her skin, which means it went through her skin.. but I don't want to over dose her so I don't repeat it. I am so stupid - (for some reason.. Dharma's skin is loser than others.. that's how it was with Naomi, too, I think.. it's hard to stretch the skin to create a hole to poke sometimes)- Anyway, I cannot tell accurately whether Interferon is working or making her feel sick due to my incapability to give her a shot.. anyhow,, last night I gave her one of homeopathic remedy which was suggested by this lady whom lots of people on FIP list thinks she is a nut.. but she is very intelligent.. and figure I am going to try everything if there is a chance to heal her from this deadly disease of FIP .. anyway,, I don't know exactly again if this is or not.. after I gave her this homeopathic remedy this lady suggested,, Dharma is doing GREAT - she ate dry food a couple of times and she was walking around downstairs.. and she was at the TOP of the cat condo!!!.. again very subtle thing. as it does not mean she never has done this before.. but something is telling me she is feeling better since last night.. I will be continuing with interferon simultaneously.. please keep her in your prayers so that Dharma and I can beat this disease as it will take almost a miracle to make this happen! And I have a feeling that Dharma will make the miracle happen. Thank you!! Hideyo and Dharma This electronic mail transmission and any attachments are confidential and may be privileged. They should be read or retained only by the intended recipient. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the transmission from your system. In addition, in order to comply with Treasury Circular 230, we are required to inform you that unless we have specifically stated to the contrary in writing, any advice we provide in this email or any attachment concerning federal tax issues or submissions is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, to avoid federal tax penalties.
RE: OT- Strange kitty behavior
I wish I had a reason for Missy's change in behavior (behavior change is always worrisome), but I did want to let you know that Mio displays the exact same behavior. For her it increases when she is feeling well again after a period of being sick. My bed and the bathroom have always been comfort areas to Mio, I think in part because they smell more like me, but also because when I am in those areas I am holding still. Has your lifestyle changed recently? Could she just be seeking out a calm moment with you? Has her behavior changed in any other way? Wishing you and Missy the best Kiley From: Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: felvtalk felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: OT- Strange kitty behavior Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2006 12:07:14 -0500 My soul-kitty, Missy, has been acting strange lately. She insists on being held when I'm using the restroom (which is fine, but a little odd). She also bites my nose, chin and lips when I take her to bed with me. So if I want to be able to sleep I have to shut her out of the bedroom. Then I can't sleep because I am worried about her and that she will go into heart failure during the night. Does anyone know why she might be doing this? -- Vist the Austin Siamese Rescue store and save a kitty life! http://www.cafepress.com/austinsiamese http://astore.amazon.com/austinsiamese-20
Re: Jimi the stressed out cat?
May I ask where you are located? Kiley From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Jimi the stressed out cat? Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 22:50:40 EDT He has been here 5 months now so he will never settle. Its a catch 22 cant put weight on him under stress cant adopt him out looking like he hasnt eaten in 5 monthssigh
Re: is interferon immune booster or suppressant??
Great wording Michelle! From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: is interferon immune booster or suppressant?? Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 19:59:02 EDT There are two kinds of immune cells, B cells and T cells. B cells are the killer cells which kill foreign invading bodies like viruses and bacteria, and which sometimes go wild and attack the body itself, which is called an auto-immune reaction. T cells control the B cells, causing them to multiply or slow down as needed. When there is an auto-immune reaction, it means the B cells are out of control going wild, and that the T cells are not controlling them, probably because the T cells are low. When people have AIDS, they have low T cell counts. Most immune boosters support T cells, not B cells. I think that interferon supports T cells, or is supposed to. So even if you are giving steroids, which suppress B cells (and maybe T cells too, I don't know), you still want to support T cells, because those help keep the immune system in the right balance. Does that make sense? The vet who wrote the I-R article on the web page, Dr. Mike Lees in Ohio, told me that he uses I-R combined with steroids when steroids seem necessary, because he believes that I-R supports T cell function rather than B cell proliferation. Michelle In a message dated 9/14/2006 7:54:54 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Then, I am more confused --- for FIP treatment, interferon is suggested, but since the virus attack their immune system, they use steroid to suppress the immune system, but then why would the use interferon to boost the immune system?
Re: o/t anyone know the best deal for Feliway
I've had great luck with the diffuser, but I've never tried the spray. Mio used to pee on my bed if I was out of the house for more than 12 hours, poor girl. I bought the diffuser and plugged it in next to my bed, we have been accident free since February. From: Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: o/t anyone know the best deal for Feliway Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 16:46:11 -0500 I've had no luck with the diffuser and know several people who haven't either. Is it working for you? If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Barb Moermond To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, September 15, 2006 1:58 PM Subject: RE: o/t anyone know the best deal for Feliway here's an even better deal http://www.petsnmore.com/home.asp?searchstr=feliwayGCID=S16135x002keyword=feliway%20diffuser This one is the lowest I've found for the 6 pack of refills MacKenzie, Kerry N. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks Barb! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Barb Moermond Sent: Friday, September 15, 2006 1:51 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: o/t anyone know the best deal for Feliway check this out:) http://www.entirelypets.com/6pakfedire48.html MacKenzie, Kerry N. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all I need to buy a bunch of Feliway. If anyone knows of a good source pricewise, I'd appreciate it. Thanks! Kerry M. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayers should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisor. This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Barb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito My cat the clown: paying no mind to whom he should impress. Merely living his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile. - Anonymous Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail. Barb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito My cat the clown: paying no mind to whom he should impress. Merely living his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile. - Anonymous -- How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates.
RE: multiple FELV in one house?
Kayte, I think the main risk that bringing other positives into the house represents to Crackers, is the possible exposure to an unrelated bug that the new kitties may be harboring. As long as you can quarantine the newbies for two weeks to make sure any recent infections show themselves before mixing, you should be fine. This will help keep the new kitties from catching anything that Crackers might have too. Everything in life has risks, and having other kitties around will pose additional risks, but you will also be providing playmates for Crackers, and a wonderful home to kitties that otherwise would have been pts. A few people have wondered about exposing your son to death at such a young age. In my experience (mainly with my 6 year old sister) children handle death a lot better than adults, they are generally very matter of fact about it and only get distressed if their is something else going on in their lives (divorce, moving, recent loss of a family member etc) or a lot of blood. Also although 1-3 years seems like a very short life span for a cat, to someone who has only been alive 4 years it seems a lot longer. The bottom line is, that you are the best judge of how he will react, you witnessed his reaction to Pokies death. May you make a decision that feels right to you. Kiley From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: multiple FELV in one house? Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 10:58:27 EDT Hi everyone! I know that many of you sweeties own more then 1 FELV pos cat. My question is this...Does having more then 1 FELV pos kitty risk infection to others.? Crackers right now is doing great! Would me bringing in 1-2 more FELV pos kittys be a risk to him? Since Crackers is FELV pos but showing no symptoms could bringing in another risk his immune. Financially I can take on a few more. And it finally sunk in my thick head. These poor kittys many wont adopt end up in a crate most of there lives. I could give them a better quality of life. NOW PLEASE DONT think im mean and hateful. I also DO NOT wanna do anything to hurt my Crackers. He is 5 and my baby. I also have a 4 yr old son. So to me its like I have to sons:) Also new kitties wouldn't bother Crackers. He loves companions and still even cries for Pokies who passed almost 3 weeks ago. I cherish your opinions. love kayte and crackers
Re: Michelle - How is Lucy today?
Michelle, Have you considered talking to the feline health clinic at Cornell? I know their website is a little out of date, but I imagine that their vets have very up to date information available to them. You can schedule a phone consultation for about 50.00 for an hour and I believe you can send them back ground information in advance. It would be cheaper than a vet visit and avoid the stress of putting Lucy in the car. Kiley From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Michelle - How is Lucy today? Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 20:43:34 EDT No, I still have not taken her there. I keep canceling (wonder how many times they'll let me do that). It's over 1.5 hours away, so probably an all day event, and she just hates the car so much. If it were Patches, who does not mind the car, I probably would have gone already. When i had to move the cats from MA to NJ, a 5 hour car trip, Lucy had diarrhea (before her IBD, just from stress) and threw up in the car and hid and meowed the whole time. I do not think they would talk to me over the phone because I have never been there. And no, I still have not found anyone to prescribe budesonide. Some cats with IBD do seem to respond to pred and need high doses for a while. What I worry about, of course, is it being low grade lymphoma, which would also respond to pred but only at high doses. I am just trying to take it one day at a time. Thank goodness for your turkey mush recipe though-- when she is not feeling her best she will not touch her raw food. I have had to cut the Nu cat vitamins and pumpkin out of the mush, though, as they seemed to bother her. The strange thing is that she is having totally solid bowels now, but about 3 times a day, versus her normal once a day. I don't know what that means. Michelle In a message dated 9/11/2006 7:15:52 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: That Lucy is such a little dickens when it comes to getting into stuff she shouldn't. I'm remembering the olive oil incident, (what's with the oil craving?). If she's anything like Gypsy, bread crumbs would be enough to cause trouble. I haven't had Gypsy on steroids for such a long time that I can say without a doubt that it's not a dosage factor, it's from her eating ANYTHING other than her mush. I mean, for goodness sake, she can't even eat plain turkey without problems. Have you ever brought Lucy in to see this specialist that's so far away? Would they discuss her case with you over the phone since she's feeling better now? Perhaps they might be willing to talk to you, about the ramifications of switching her to prednisolone and the dosage amounts, (you know, hypothetically). I take it you never found anyone to prescribe Budesonide? We all need a vet in the family. N
Re: Ordering interferon- Nina
Belinda, We have had so many horrible experiences at the vet since Mio got sick in June, that I am a little hesitant to officially recommend my new vet until we have more experience with her. Our new vet is Elizabeth Johnson @ The cat clinic of Seattle ( in Wallingford). So far she has been Great. Mio was super grumpy when we went and Elizabeth handled her very well, plus the vet techs were very experienced and gentle and no one got scratched or bitten (with Mio that is quite an achievement, there is nothing she hates more than having her temp taking when she already feels crummy). Elizabeth is very willing to acommodate my suggestions, and research supplements and medications for me. We also had a good experience at Four Paws Veterinary Center. I believe the vets name was Erin. She was really good to Mio, very reasonable priced and offered to do a FeLV test on my other cat without doing an exam (he is asymptomatic). She has also been great with my mothers dog. She has virtually no experience with FeLV, but was very willing to find the best ways to take care of the furkids at the lowest cost. I decided to switch to a vet with more FeLV experience, which was a disaster, but I still think of her as my back up vet. I'm not sure if I'm allowed to post the bad vets, so I'll leave them out, but they were really attrocious. One offered to PTS my assymptomatic FeLV cat (Oscar), not having read enough of our file to know that I had Mio sick as a dog at home, and then prescribed the wrong dosage of antibiotics! The other one sent us home with absoluteyl no info on how to care for Mio, who at the time had a 106 degree fever! Thank goodness I found this group. I don't think I would ever have learned to question the word of a vet if it weren't for reading about all of your experiences. Do you know of any other vets in the area? I don't understand how in a city this big there could be so few vets with FeLV experience. I hope you all are well, and am praying for your strength and the health of all the furkids. Kiley From: Belinda [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Ordering interferon- Nina Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 07:59:58 -0700 Hi Kiley, I'm in Sumner, can I ask who your vet in Seattle is?? I have a great vet too but it's always good to know others in my area. Maybe when you have a minute you could list them on the Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP list in the http://www.bemikitties.com/felv/cgi-bin/suite/classifieds/classifieds.cgi?request=display_subcategory_id=113website=defaultsession=45057a0d7d6e36d5FeLV/FIV/FIP+ Friendly Vets. http://www.bemikitties.com/felv/cgi-bin/suite/classifieds/classifieds.cgi?request=display_subcategory_id=113website=defaultsession=45057a0d7d6e36d5 section? http://www.bemikitties.com/felv/cgi-bin/suite/classifieds/classifieds.cgi?request=display_subcategory_id=113website=defaultsession=45057a0d7d6e36d5 -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candlelight Service http://bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://HostDesign4U.com BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] http://bmk.bemikitties.com
Re: Ordering interferon- Nina
Thank you for the suggestion! My vet was the one who told me to go to Island Pharmacy, and was unwilling to dilute it herself. We switched vets, and so far the new vet is great. She doesn't know a lot about FeLV, but she has done tons of research for me, consulted other vets, and her clinic gave us Interferon for under $10! She's my fourth vet in 3 months, so I'm not willing to swear by her yet, but so far she's the best I've found in Seattle. Thanks again Kiley From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Ordering interferon- Nina Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2006 15:44:33 -0400 Get your own vet to make up a batch for you. All they have to do is order one vial of the actual human drug InterferonAlpha, and then dilute it to the correct dilution for cats, the instructions are available at the island pharmacy website for other vets to use (or at least they used to be). You should be able to have half prepared to full dilution, and have half stored in deep freeze for future dilution and use. Phaewryn Please adopt a cat from Little Cheetah Cat Rescue!!! http://ucat.us/adopt.html Low cost SpayNeuter services in VT, and Emergency Financial Assistance for cat owners: http://ucat.us/VermontLowCost.html Special Needs Cat Resources: http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html The Sofa Poem: http://ucat.us/sofapoem.html Please shop online through i-give and support the Feline Veterinary Emergency Assistance Program: http://www.igive.com/FVEAP Shop at GREAT stores, like Drs. Foster Smith, Pet Food Direct, Musician's Friend, and LOTS more! It doesn't cost you a single penny more, and it makes so much difference to a sick cat in need! No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.6/428 - Release Date: 8/25/2006
Re: I'm glad you're sitting down - Spencer
I am so relieved Spencer is home, you must be at your whits end! I am praying for his recovery and for your continued strength.
Re: Satch is coughing.
Leslie, Have you tried sprinkling a little catnip on Satch's food? Sometimes that's enough to entice Mio into eating when she's not feeling well. Just makes sure not to mix it in or else the food will cover up the catnip smell. Kiley From: Leslie [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Satch is coughing. Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 15:23:03 -0700 Hi Wendy, Thanks for writing. The vet said that the herbal tincture was actually meant to help with the congestion and that I should dilute it if it was making him sick. So I've just given that to him, we'll see if he can keep it down. I'll give that to him in smaller doses more frequently to see if it can help. I admit that I read in the cat veterinary handbook that said that Robitussin was the only decongestant that would be okay and I gave him a couple of doses. Now that I know that the tincture was meant to do that, I'm switching back. The vet was adamant that I not put him in either a shelter or even a vet's office while I'm gone. He feels strongly that the stress of that situation would far outweigh staying in his comfort zone. He isn't worried about the appetite diminishing. He said that the antibiotic can do that and that as long as he's alert, acting like himself, the temp is down, and he still shows interest in the food, if brief, that he will be okay. He made me feel better in general and with leaving him, but if things turn worse, you're right, I will feel so bad personally, but also for my boyfriend to have been put through that. I'll call the airline now and see what it will cost. I think that the fee will be more like $130, but comparatively it might be worth it. He licked the liver shake off of my finger, but wasn't interested in the plate of it that I put down for him. Leslie From: wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Satch is coughing Hi Leslie, I wish Satch were doing better for you. I know you are frustrated. Several people here have said that you can use people expectorants with kitties but I don't know any more than that. Maybe someone will post more, or you can call and ask your vet. Also, there may be info. on it in the sick kitty manual that I sent out. Either way, I would double check with my vet before I used anything OTC. How much food do you think Satch is actually getting down each day? You shouldn't let him go long without getting enough nutrition. I am not sure how much he actually needs per day; I think that info. is in the sick kitty manual as well. Your vet can give you canned A/D to syringe feed him. It's VERY smooth and mixed with a little water is great for syringe feeding. Good luck with the liver shake. I hope he likes it. None of mine will eat it unfortunately. Syringe feeding isn't hard. I hold my kitties like a baby with their heads up a little higher than their body and syringe the food in very slowly, so they don't gag, into the side of their mouths. Can you take the kitty to St. Louis with you? Unless he starts eating soon, I would not leave him. You can cancel plane tickets and use them again usually for a $50 cancellation fee that you don't pay until you rebook the flight. If you leave and Satch dies, you will probably feel guilty forever, being the loving human that you are. If you can't take Satch with you, I'm sure your grandmother will understand delaying your trip a couple of weeks. As sweet as your boyfriend is, if Satch is attached to you, he may not do well while you are gone. Please keep us posted Leslie. :) Wendy __ Message: 4 Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 09:52:42 -0700 (PDT) From: wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Satch is coughing To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 If you do board your kitty, make sure that the vet is a good one. I had a nightmare experience with leaving my cat at the vet's and if I hadn't gone to pick him up, he would have died. They did NOT syringe feed him, NOR give him any IV fluids, even after I had asked them to. I complained to the Texas Vet. Board to no avail. That board is currently being revamped to get rid of the good ol' boy system they've had for years to protect one another. Sorry to scare you, but I just don't think that the vet can care for our babies as well as we can (short of surgery), and they sure don't love them like we do. :) Wendy
Re: Wowie
We had the same experience with prednisolene! The vet didn't think Mio would live through the night she had a 106.5 degree temp, she couldn't stand, she wasn't eating or drinking, but within 24 hours of the injection her temp was gone and she was interested in the world again and catnip (it took another day for food), but still the turn around was INCREDIBLE. I don't know if this is common, but in my experience, vets are very quick to give FeLV kitties a terrible prognosis when they are ill. It's true every time they get sick, it could be their time to go, but just as often they pull through again. I know it's hard, but don't give up hope, he's going to need your strength. From: gwork [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Wowie Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 18:54:05 -0400 All I can tell you is about my experiences w/ Spaz. Her PCV was down to 7% (anemia) when I got the diagnosis, and she was eight years old. She would not eat, drink, or move. Her bilirubin was high also. The vet was quite scared for her. He gave her a PREDNISOLONE injection and within 12 hours I had a completely different cat on my hands. A few years later, when she had another round with severe anemia, our new vet (we had moved) tried Depo-Medrol, and though three vets said it should do the same as prednisolone, it did NOT. It did not help any whatsoever. I have no idea why. I insisted on a prednisolone injection, and she is alive, healthy, and happy more than 2 years later at the age of almost 14 (not to say we haven't had some other issues, but only one major - a URI). But at the time, all the doctors thought she would not make it. I will let the others tell you about all the other drugs, etc. that can aid your kitty as they have more experience than I do with them. But I will tell you, at least in my experience, that it ain't over 'til it's over!! Best wishes to you and Wowie. Kris http://www.spazstory.zoomshare.com - Original Message - From: veggiepugs [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, June 26, 2006 2:11 PM Subject: Wowie Hi All- I had written a few days ago to ask about teeth. I took Wowie to the vet yesterday and he is not eating but not beacuse of his teeth. He is not well and in fact, his health has taken a turn for the worst. The prognosis is not good and neither is my state of mind. I have to make a decision this week. His blood work came back showing he is anemic, his bilirubin levels are high, his RBC count is also high, WBC count is low. She said he doesn't have much time. She also said she believes he is younger than the 5 years that most vets had estimated. She gave me steriods to try and get him to eat and clavimox. I don't know what to say. I'm at a loss. Though I knew this day would come when I took him in just 7 months ago, it could still never be easy. Thanks for listening. Rebecca
Re: o/t advice needed
Kerry, I'm not sure if this will work because Kitty probably isn't as playful as my younger kitties, but it's worth a try. When I was introducing my two kitties I made a toy out of two catnip scented mice tied together with a ribbon. I put the ribbon under a shut door with one cat in each room and one toy on each side. Every time one kitty would grab a mouse it would make the other mouse move. It really helped my cats get used to eachother, without the intimidation of being face to face. If your friend has a toy that she knows kitty really likes, it might be enough to entice her to play and it sounds like Danny is desperate for some feline comanionship. Kiley From: Kerry MacKenzie [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: o/t advice needed Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 23:33:04 -0500 Thanks Nina!--that's what i wanted to hear before I give B my 2 cents worth (re the boxes). Yes, she has always been very dedicated to Kitty, so i really hope she perseveres with Danny. It was her mention of giving it a month that sent shivers down my spine when i got back. And lost me no time in directing the prob to the wonderful list. I hope now that she feels she's getting all this wonderful info and support she'll keep ploughing on. Kerry - Original Message - From: Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 7:22 PM Subject: Re: o/t advice needed Hey Kerry, Thank you for keeping us posted on Danny's progress. It does sound like his new momma is a kind woman and willing to work with him and Kitty in making the transition. I think she's a bit crazy if she's still being stubborn about not wanting to separate the litter boxes though! I'd go out and buy three more, (poor Miss Kitty, she shouldn't have to be nervous about using her litterbox). I've been known to strewn them all over the house. I've found that if someone is having accidents, (territorially motivated or not), if I put a litterbox near the mishap, they end up using it instead of the floor or wall. Tell her to watch her geriatric Kitty very closely, what a terrible turn of events that would be if she dashed out the door and something happened to her before she adjusted to her new brother. Hugs, Nina Kerry MacKenzie wrote: A big thankyou from my friend re Danny ( Kitty)follows below.
Re: raw food
The argument I've heard agaisnt raw food, is not about the nutritional value of a raw meat diet, it's the fact that poultry produced in the US is not intended for raw consumption, it's not kept cold enough or thoroughly screened for parasytes, because producers assume it will be cooked. I just wonder if maybe it's worth that risk in order to feed my kitties a great diet that they love, or not because they are already compromised. Also as much as I hear about parasytes being a major issue, I've never heard of an actual pet getting them from raw food. From: Belinda [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: raw food Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 06:27:35 -0700 I personally am still not 100% sure about raw food. You get the argument that this is what cats eat in the wild, well like it or not, they aren't wild anymore and have under gone changes due to years of being domesticated. So, I can only go by my own experience and ours was good, no problems with parasites. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candlelight Service http://bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://HostDesign4U.com BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] http://bmk.bemikitties.com
Re: raw food
Thank you all for sharing your experiences and information on raw food, I know it is a controversal subject and I am grateful for any additional information. It seems like everyone who has given it to their kitties had a good experience. I find it difficult to go against the recommendations of my vet and so many other educated people, and I really needed to hear the other side. Mio has lost so much weight in the last two weeks, I can't help but be worried sick. She eats the canned food it just isn't with the same gusto as raw food, and I'm feeling desperate to put weight back on her, I just don't know how long I have before she gets sick again. When I first went to the vet a week and a half ago, they told me she would die that night. She's actually doing really good right now, but I'm having trouble letting go of what the vets said. I am grateful to have found you all. It has given me so much hope to read your stories, and to know I have somewhere else to go for information. There is so much conflicting information, it's nice to have a place to discuss it and share anecdotal evidence. Thanks again Kiley From: Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: raw food Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 16:56:11 -0700 Okay, I'm going to throw my 2 cents in here. I've posted it enough for everyone to know that feeding Gypsy raw food saved her life. I was also as careful as I could be in selecting meat from a source, (I bought it at Whole Foods and paid a premium price for it), that told me it was as free from hormones and additives and that it had been handled in the safest manner possible before it got to my door. Even with all my precautions, there is a chance that it could have contained parasites, or contaminants that would have made Gypsy sick. I didn't have a lot of options and when I made the decision to try it with Gypsy I did it with a prayer that it would be safe and help her recover. Well, it did. We all have to make difficult decisions and we all have to live with the consequences of those decisions. We do the best we can and support each other through it all. I wasn't aware that freezing simply inactivates microbes, bacteria, yeasts and molds, (hardly little pests!), and I'm glad that Elisabeth took the time to research it and share this info with us. It may be the medium of email communication, but the last exchange seemed to be getting a tad testy. This is the nicest list I've ever been on and I think one of the reasons it is, is because we all face the emotional turmoil that serious illness can stir up. We come here to learn, share, comfort and support each other in an atmosphere of acceptance. I for one would like to maintain the feeling of this list as a safe refuge from the pettiness of the outside world and continue to allow conflicting opinions without the fear of it leading to hurt feelings or hostility. Perhaps that's more than 2 cents worth, Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: why thank you - and i'm very glad you've had good results. In a message dated 6/20/2006 4:12:24 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I would hope none of us would let raw meat lay around, that is not the correct way to feed raw. You can have your thought but I have the proof at home it works. Roxane
