Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 33, Issue 5

2017-01-06 Thread dlgegg 
iF ONLY WE COULD EXPLAIN T THEM THAT THIS IS FOR THEIR OWN GOOD AND MAKE THEM 
UNDERSTAND, LIFE FOR THEM AND US WOULD BE SO MUCH EASIER.


 ROBERT CHAPEL  wrote: 
> Ardy

I find that if I do anything that puts pressure on the gums ( like 
trying to get a look when the cats are fighting it) it forces blood away 
from the gums and I can't get a good read  I wonder if the same 
wouldn't be true of a Kitty biting on a pen??.
Though... with my Yogi... his gums are so white I don't know that they 
would get any pink in them with or withOUT pressure...    I try to 
get a look when they are sleeping and can usually can a fair look before 
they start " arguing"   : )


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> From: "Ardy Robertson" To: Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Greetings & 
> Bogey's Doc Visit
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> Hi Sherri,
>
> Hi ? I recently wanted to look at my Topaz? gums because she has black 
> spots in her mouth and I was concerned. She just would not let me in 
> there for anything??UNTIL, I realized she likes to bite on pens! So I 
> can hold a pen crossways, and she bites it, thus opening her mouth. I 
> can see in there very well, and the vet says there is nothing wrong ? 
> she just has that color pigmentation in her mouth. But I could have 
> easily held the pen with one hand and snapped a picture with my phone 
> in the other hand.
>
>
>
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf 
> Of Sherri Godschalk
> Sent: Thursday, January 5, 2017 8:24 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Greetings & Bogey's Doc Visit
>
>
> I was leaning that way Amani and you just cemented it for me. I am 
> just going to dump that powder down the middle the best I can and give 
> her half AM and half PM. I think I will do the same with the Pred 
> (split the pill). 5mg at once seems like a lot for this little cat. 
> (6lb 5oz). She may feel better having it that way anyway.
>
> I have to say, I have trouble getting Bogey to take that Doxy. It must 
> really taste bad. I am going to try to crush it and put it in ice 
> cream or yogurt this time around. I also feel that the dose she is on 
> for that is high. 25mg twice a day. They cut the pills poorly the 
> first time around and the ?parts? were smaller. When they refilled, 
> they had the 100mg cut in actual quarters and she took ill shortly 
> after we started her back on it in December.
>
> My hope is that Bogey will be able to come off the meds for some 
> periods like your Zander did. I thought I was getting better at 
> noticing pinkness in gums and nose but clearly I haven?t mastered that 
> yet. I looked at her gums today and they looked awfully pink compared 
> to 4 months ago. I tried to get her to sit still while I took a pic of 
> them for reference?gonna have to get another pair of hands for that 
> kind of photography. :-)
>
> We are about 4.5 months into this treatment. I hope that by restarting 
> the regiment of meds, with some changes, her numbers will come up to 
> where they were in December. I think we were really making progress.
>
>
> Yea I don?t understand the ?icteric? either. Just gonna accept that 
> something looked off to the tech and trust the results. (and you)
>
>
> Your Zander?was a lucky little boy to have you!
>
>
> From: Felvtalk  > on behalf of Amani Oakley  >
> Reply-To:  >
> Date: Thursday, January 5, 2017 at 8:47 PM
> To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org  "  >
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Greetings & Bogey's Doc Visit
>
>
> I would suggest 1 mg 2x a day then, Sherri. I had Zander on 2 mg 2x a 
> day but only right at the start for a month or so to ?kickstart? the 
> process because his haematocrit was s low. I think the usually 
> recommended dose for Winstrol for cats is 1 mg twice a day. I gave 
> Zander his pills all at once ? prednisone, Winstrol and Doxycycline. I 
> suspect that the problems you encountered are far more likely to be 
> related to the higher Winstrol dose than the staggering of the 
> medication.
>
> Now that you have clarified the dosing

Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 33, Issue 5

2017-01-06 Thread Ardy Robertson 
Good ideayes, Tigger's gums and paw pads were so light-colored. Topaz is 
negative and I look at her pads and gums and think how nice it is to not have 
that worry. I'm grateful. I miss my Tigger-babe so much!!

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CHAPEL
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To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Cc: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 33, Issue 5

Ardy

I find that if I do anything that puts pressure on the gums ( like trying to 
get a look when the cats are fighting it) it forces blood away from the gums 
and I can't get a good read  I wonder if the same wouldn't be true of a 
Kitty biting on a pen??.
Though... with my Yogi... his gums are so white I don't know that they would 
get any pink in them with or withOUT pressure...I try to get a look 
when they are sleeping and can usually can a fair look before they start " 
arguing"   : )


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> Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2017 23:02:38 -0600
> From: "Ardy Robertson" To: Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Greetings & 
> Bogey's Doc Visit
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> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> Hi Sherri,
>
> Hi ? I recently wanted to look at my Topaz? gums because she has black 
> spots in her mouth and I was concerned. She just would not let me in 
> there for anything??UNTIL, I realized she likes to bite on pens! So I 
> can hold a pen crossways, and she bites it, thus opening her mouth. I 
> can see in there very well, and the vet says there is nothing wrong ?
> she just has that color pigmentation in her mouth. But I could have 
> easily held the pen with one hand and snapped a picture with my phone 
> in the other hand.
>
>
>
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf 
> Of Sherri Godschalk
> Sent: Thursday, January 5, 2017 8:24 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Greetings & Bogey's Doc Visit
>
>
> I was leaning that way Amani and you just cemented it for me. I am 
> just going to dump that powder down the middle the best I can and give 
> her half AM and half PM. I think I will do the same with the Pred 
> (split the pill). 5mg at once seems like a lot for this little cat.
> (6lb 5oz). She may feel better having it that way anyway.
>
> I have to say, I have trouble getting Bogey to take that Doxy. It must 
> really taste bad. I am going to try to crush it and put it in ice 
> cream or yogurt this time around. I also feel that the dose she is on 
> for that is high. 25mg twice a day. They cut the pills poorly the 
> first time around and the ?parts? were smaller. When they refilled, 
> they had the 100mg cut in actual quarters and she took ill shortly 
> after we started her back on it in December.
>
> My hope is that Bogey will be able to come off the meds for some 
> periods like your Zander did. I thought I was getting better at 
> noticing pinkness in gums and nose but clearly I haven?t mastered that 
> yet. I looked at her gums today and they looked awfully pink compared 
> to 4 months ago. I tried to get her to sit still while I took a pic of 
> them for reference?gonna have to get another pair of hands for that 
> kind of photography. :-)
>
> We are about 4.5 months into this treatment. I hope that by restarting 
> the regiment of meds, with some changes, her numbers will come up to 
> where they were in December. I think we were really making progress.
>
>
> Yea I don?t understand the ?icteric? either. Just gonna accept that 
> something looked off to the tech and trust the results. (and you)
>
>
> Your Zander?was a lucky little boy to have you!
>
>
> From: Felvtalk  > on behalf of Amani Oakley  >
> Reply-To:  >
> Date: Thursday, January 5, 2017 at 8:47 PM
> To: "felvtalk@felin

Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 33, Issue 5

2017-01-05 Thread ROBERT CHAPEL 

Ardy

I find that if I do anything that puts pressure on the gums ( like 
trying to get a look when the cats are fighting it) it forces blood away 
from the gums and I can't get a good read  I wonder if the same 
wouldn't be true of a Kitty biting on a pen??.
Though... with my Yogi... his gums are so white I don't know that they 
would get any pink in them with or withOUT pressure...    I try to 
get a look when they are sleeping and can usually can a fair look before 
they start " arguing"   : )



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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2017 23:02:38 -0600
From: "Ardy Robertson" To: Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Greetings & 
Bogey's Doc Visit

Message-ID: <01d267da$1b62ffd0$5228ff70$@centurytel.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

Hi Sherri,

Hi ? I recently wanted to look at my Topaz? gums because she has black 
spots in her mouth and I was concerned. She just would not let me in 
there for anything??UNTIL, I realized she likes to bite on pens! So I 
can hold a pen crossways, and she bites it, thus opening her mouth. I 
can see in there very well, and the vet says there is nothing wrong ? 
she just has that color pigmentation in her mouth. But I could have 
easily held the pen with one hand and snapped a picture with my phone 
in the other hand.




From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf 
Of Sherri Godschalk

Sent: Thursday, January 5, 2017 8:24 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Greetings & Bogey's Doc Visit


I was leaning that way Amani and you just cemented it for me. I am 
just going to dump that powder down the middle the best I can and give 
her half AM and half PM. I think I will do the same with the Pred 
(split the pill). 5mg at once seems like a lot for this little cat. 
(6lb 5oz). She may feel better having it that way anyway.


I have to say, I have trouble getting Bogey to take that Doxy. It must 
really taste bad. I am going to try to crush it and put it in ice 
cream or yogurt this time around. I also feel that the dose she is on 
for that is high. 25mg twice a day. They cut the pills poorly the 
first time around and the ?parts? were smaller. When they refilled, 
they had the 100mg cut in actual quarters and she took ill shortly 
after we started her back on it in December.


My hope is that Bogey will be able to come off the meds for some 
periods like your Zander did. I thought I was getting better at 
noticing pinkness in gums and nose but clearly I haven?t mastered that 
yet. I looked at her gums today and they looked awfully pink compared 
to 4 months ago. I tried to get her to sit still while I took a pic of 
them for reference?gonna have to get another pair of hands for that 
kind of photography. :-)


We are about 4.5 months into this treatment. I hope that by restarting 
the regiment of meds, with some changes, her numbers will come up to 
where they were in December. I think we were really making progress.



Yea I don?t understand the ?icteric? either. Just gonna accept that 
something looked off to the tech and trust the results. (and you)



Your Zander?was a lucky little boy to have you!


From: Felvtalk  > on behalf of Amani Oakley  >
Reply-To:  >
Date: Thursday, January 5, 2017 at 8:47 PM
To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org  "  >
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Greetings & Bogey's Doc Visit


I would suggest 1 mg 2x a day then, Sherri. I had Zander on 2 mg 2x a 
day but only right at the start for a month or so to ?kickstart? the 
process because his haematocrit was s low. I think the usually 
recommended dose for Winstrol for cats is 1 mg twice a day. I gave 
Zander his pills all at once ? prednisone, Winstrol and Doxycycline. I 
suspect that the problems you encountered are far more likely to be 
related to the higher Winstrol dose than the staggering of the 
medication.


Now that you have clarified the dosing for Bogey, I think that the 
problem was the high dosing of the Stanazolol. I think if you drop it 
by half, and keep everything else the same, you might get a better 
response. Frankly, though, it is the very fact that the numbers tumble 
every time the meds are pulled, that convinces me that it is 
definitely the meds that are making such a