Re: FelV+ kitty that needs a home
RE: feeding, I would get a syringe from the vet if it has rounded edges at the tip--softer for that little mouf! They also sell syringes for human babies in the baby section of drug stores. They probably have rounded tips. "Consciousness is Causal and Physicality is its Manifestation." On Jul 10, 2007, at 1:46 PM, Susan Dubose wrote: I agree, a sanctuary situation is always the best and purrfurred option. However, GOOD sanctuaries are hard to find, and not only stay full, but usually have long waiting lists. I just don't buy into the thinking that "Any life is better than no life", like one vet told me that was very "radical" rescuewise. There are worse things than death, like living on a chain w/ no food, water or contact if you are a dog, being a "breeding machine, (this is the scenario that made her make THAT statement) or living outside as a sick cat, too weak to protect yourself. Having found sick / injured cats / kittens before along the road covered in fireants, but too weak to move, REALLY, REALLY sucks. If someone is fostering a symptomatic felv+ cat, and can no longer keep it, and all options have been exhausted as far as placement, I certainly would not think badly about them if they had it euthanized. It would be better than putting it outside. Susan J. DuBose >^..^< www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net "As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws." Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: "Kelley Saveika" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 12:56 PM Subject: Re: FelV+ kitty that needs a home Well, first I would determine if she is actually FELV+, since one positive test doesn't mean a whole lot. If she is FELV+, I would seek sanctuary placement for her, but that's just me. Yahoo!
Re: FelV+ kitty that needs a home
Right now your chief responsibility is to Monkee. This is hard when others are
in need but he is your first responsibility and if you are not sure he would
welcome a newcomer do not bring one in. Monkee needs no stress at all.
Before you even think a second time about it talk to Susan.
PS: She might know someone who would take the little ones in.
If you have men who will
exclude any of God's creatures
from the shelter of compassion
and pity, you will have men who
will deal likewise with their
fellow man.
St. Francis
- Original Message -
From: Caroline Kaufmann
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 2:10 PM
Subject: Re: FelV+ kitty that needs a home
I just spoke to her just now because I wanted to get more information. She
says the black and white cat is probably more closer to 1 year because she has
already had one litter (she's fixed now). But she'd need to get the actual age
approximation from the vet that did her spay. She thinks that based on that,
just going on her gut and knowing the colony she came from, that she is most
likely positive. Apparently, it's a cat colony in downtown Louisville that is
well-established. This rescuer has caught all of them by hand- so none of them
are feral- she hasn't had to trap any of them. She said since it's an
established colony and she's now fixed all of them (there shouldn't be any
litters), those that are going to be exposed have probably already been
exposed. She currently has four from the same location- the black and white
female, the symptomatic orange male and two others. One of the other two
tested negative. The other one, she has not tested yet. And clarification on
the orange male- I misunderstood her, he tested positive for FelV and HIV. She
said his symptoms are that he has a runny eye that won't clear up with
treatment and although he's been at her house (separated from negative cats)
for a few weeks and he eats a ton, he can't gain weight. She said he's really
sweet though and not in distress. She thinks the best she can do is release
him and her neighborhood contact that looks after the colony has promised to
let her know if/when he starts going downhill. She will go retrieve him and
get him care as best she can. It sounds to me like she has done this before
with established colonies. She has a fe leuk sanctuary that she works with,
but she is full.
I guess if I knew for sure the black and white female was positive, I might
think about what I can do for her (although my mom will KILL me). But I just
don't know what Monkee would do?
-Caroline
From: "Susan Dubose" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
To:
Subject: Re: FelV+ kitty that needs a home
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 13:46:27 -0500
>I agree, a sanctuary situation is always the best and purrfurred option.
>
>However, GOOD sanctuaries are hard to find, and not only stay full, but
>usually have long waiting lists.
>
>I just don't buy into the thinking that "Any life is better than no life",
>like one vet told me that was very "radical" rescuewise.
>
>There are worse things than death, like living on a chain w/ no food, water
>or contact if you are a dog, being a "breeding machine, (this is the
>scenario that made her make THAT statement) or living outside as a sick
cat,
>too weak to protect yourself.
>
>Having found sick / injured cats / kittens before along the road covered in
>fireants, but too weak to move, REALLY, REALLY sucks.
>
>If someone is fostering a symptomatic felv+ cat, and can no longer keep
it,
>and all options have been exhausted as far as placement, I certainly would
>not think badly about them if they had it euthanized.
>
>It would be better than putting it outside.
>
>Susan J. DuBose >^..^<
>www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
>www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
>www.shadowcats.net
> "As Cleopatra lay in state,
>Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
>Purring welcomes of soft applause,
>Ever guarding with sharpened claws."
> Trajan Tennent
>
>
>
>
>- Original Message -
>From: &
Re: FelV+ kitty that needs a home
Once again, I agree w/ you, Ted. A kitten that tests pos. and has to be fostered for 3 months or so is taking up space for probably of dozens of kittens that you know are healthy and will die if they do not find a foster home. That's why I say it just takes a very special purrson to work w/ these cats / kttens, and it's hard choices all around. When I moved into this bigger home, I decided to have a felv+ room instead of a 'kitten" room. I opted for the cats no one would want, just because I thought they deserved happiness and a good life too, no matter how short. As for what is acceptable isolation, to me is a room, not a cage. My felv+ cats have a a couch , a bathroom, cable tv and I am in there alot due to it's also my office & library. The couch is comfortable enough to sleep on, so, I sometimes nap w/ them on top of me. however, in my situation, my limit is four cats. I do not like caging animals, but everyone has different guidelines on this. As far as how long will they live...My vet (who is a feline specialist and has had felv+ cats for years) thinks that 2 yrs. is the normal lifespan when they are infected as kittens. However, everything depends on the kitten, of course. Susan J. DuBose >^..^< www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net "As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws." Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: Tad Burnett To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 2:18 PM Subject: Re: FelV+ kitty that needs a home In a perfect world But at the rate that neg. 8 week old kittens are being PTS this year what are the chances of finding some one to isolate one kitten.. Considering that the 1st year of a cats life may be its most fun in life and if it is POS. than that likely will be it only life... What is acceptable isolation ?? being caged ??? I ask because I have offered to take 8 week old pos. but they will have to be mixed with my older pos cats... No more chance of testing neg. for that point... These are kittens that we infected by their mother at birth and even though they say it is possible for them to go neg. really how often do they The kittens that I have had infected at birth have ALL passed before a year old and I think that has been the case with several others on this list... I also have 2 others that most likely were infected between 8 and 12 weeks and they are still doing well after 2 1/2 and 4 1/2 years... Any thoughts on this ??? Tad Susan Dubose wrote: Sounds like she will need a foster home for about 3 months to determine whether of not she IS pos., and if so, whether or not she will throw off the virus. Susan J. DuBose >^..^< www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net "As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws." Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: Caroline Kaufmann To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 12:55 PM Subject: Re: FelV+ kitty that needs a home I will talk to her about the pos. pos. cat then and tell her what you said. As for the black and white kitty, I just have never brought another cat into the house because #1- Monkee hates other cats! He's crazy. However, one of the "street" cats I talked about, I call her "the little girl"- she is on my front stoop all the time and when Monkee is on his porch, well, they see a lot of each other. Now, he's not totally cool with her, but he has gotten better and she's kind of become a nice, distant companion for him since he's gotten ill. When I do take him out now, she walks around us, near, but never touching, and he seems to like it. But I wouldn't want to do ANYTHING that would distress Monkee- like bring in a kitty. And #2- I still have trouble understanding the whole FelV+ thing. Since she is a kitty, I would worry that she could be false pos. or throw off the virus and if so, exposure to Monkee would be a very bad thing. I have just always played it safe and never let Monkee touch or get near any other cats ever. I always tell Monkee that I could "do more" for the kitties out there if he wasn't such a b*stard! But I think he "knows" that and likes to keep it that way! -Caroline in one place!
Re: FelV+ kitty that needs a home
A runny eye is not that bad, Papillon ( my felv+ flamepoint)as that daily. eating a ton and not gaining weight, that is "doable" as long as he gets plenty of food. Sounds like these cats have some great folks looking after them. :) I wish you, the others & the cats all the best. please let us know how things are going for everyone. Susan J. DuBose >^..^< www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net "As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws." Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: Caroline Kaufmann To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 2:10 PM Subject: Re: FelV+ kitty that needs a home I just spoke to her just now because I wanted to get more information. She says the black and white cat is probably more closer to 1 year because she has already had one litter (she's fixed now). But she'd need to get the actual age approximation from the vet that did her spay. She thinks that based on that, just going on her gut and knowing the colony she came from, that she is most likely positive. Apparently, it's a cat colony in downtown Louisville that is well-established. This rescuer has caught all of them by hand- so none of them are feral- she hasn't had to trap any of them. She said since it's an established colony and she's now fixed all of them (there shouldn't be any litters), those that are going to be exposed have probably already been exposed. She currently has four from the same location- the black and white female, the symptomatic orange male and two others. One of the other two tested negative. The other one, she has not tested yet. And clarification on the orange male- I misunderstood her, he tested positive for FelV and HIV. She said his symptoms are that he has a runny eye that won't clear up with treatment and although he's been at her house (separated from negative cats) for a few weeks and he eats a ton, he can't gain weight. She said he's really sweet though and not in distress. She thinks the best she can do is release him and her neighborhood contact that looks after the colony has promised to let her know if/when he starts going downhill. She will go retrieve him and get him care as best she can. It sounds to me like she has done this before with established colonies. She has a fe leuk sanctuary that she works with, but she is full. I guess if I knew for sure the black and white female was positive, I might think about what I can do for her (although my mom will KILL me). But I just don't know what Monkee would do? -Caroline Hotmail.
Re: FelV+ kitty that needs a home
In a perfect world But at the rate that neg. 8 week old kittens are being PTS this year what are the chances of finding some one to isolate one kitten.. Considering that the 1st year of a cats life may be its most fun in life and if it is POS. than that likely will be it only life... What is acceptable isolation ?? being caged ??? I ask because I have offered to take 8 week old pos. but they will have to be mixed with my older pos cats... No more chance of testing neg. for that point... These are kittens that we infected by their mother at birth and even though they say it is possible for them to go neg. really how often do they The kittens that I have had infected at birth have ALL passed before a year old and I think that has been the case with several others on this list... I also have 2 others that most likely were infected between 8 and 12 weeks and they are still doing well after 2 1/2 and 4 1/2 years... Any thoughts on this ??? Tad Susan Dubose wrote: Sounds like she will need a foster home for about 3 months to determine whether of not she IS pos., and if so, whether or not she will throw off the virus. Susan J. DuBose >^..^< www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com <http://www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com> www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org <http://www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org> www.shadowcats.net <http://www.shadowcats.net> "As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws." Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: Caroline Kaufmann <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org <mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 12:55 PM Subject: Re: FelV+ kitty that needs a home I will talk to her about the pos. pos. cat then and tell her what you said. As for the black and white kitty, I just have never brought another cat into the house because #1- Monkee hates other cats! He's crazy. However, one of the "street" cats I talked about, I call her "the little girl"- she is on my front stoop all the time and when Monkee is on his porch, well, they see a lot of each other. Now, he's not totally cool with her, but he has gotten better and she's kind of become a nice, distant companion for him since he's gotten ill. When I do take him out now, she walks around us, near, but never touching, and he seems to like it. But I wouldn't want to do ANYTHING that would distress Monkee- like bring in a kitty. And #2- I still have trouble understanding the whole FelV+ thing. Since she is a kitty, I would worry that she could be false pos. or throw off the virus and if so, exposure to Monkee would be a very bad thing. I have just always played it safe and never let Monkee touch or get near any other cats ever. I always tell Monkee that I could "do more" for the kitties out there if he wasn't such a b*stard! But I think he "knows" that and likes to keep it that way! -Caroline in one place! <http://g.msn.com/8HMBENUS/2737??PS=47575>
Re: FelV+ kitty that needs a home
Also, Caroline, another thing to consider is the impression that "sick cats" make on the community, espeically the cat haters. People see one sick cat in their yard, and the next thing you know it's "round up" for ALL of them due to people think / will say, "we need to get rid of those cats in the neighborhood, they're sick!" Just an excuse to them. Seen it happen, way too many times like I said, these are hard choices, but we cannot save them all. And I would not trust anyone who thinks / says that they can. Susan J. DuBose >^..^< www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net "As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws." Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: Caroline Kaufmann To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 12:55 PM Subject: Re: FelV+ kitty that needs a home I will talk to her about the pos. pos. cat then and tell her what you said. As for the black and white kitty, I just have never brought another cat into the house because #1- Monkee hates other cats! He's crazy. However, one of the "street" cats I talked about, I call her "the little girl"- she is on my front stoop all the time and when Monkee is on his porch, well, they see a lot of each other. Now, he's not totally cool with her, but he has gotten better and she's kind of become a nice, distant companion for him since he's gotten ill. When I do take him out now, she walks around us, near, but never touching, and he seems to like it. But I wouldn't want to do ANYTHING that would distress Monkee- like bring in a kitty. And #2- I still have trouble understanding the whole FelV+ thing. Since she is a kitty, I would worry that she could be false pos. or throw off the virus and if so, exposure to Monkee would be a very bad thing. I have just always played it safe and never let Monkee touch or get near any other cats ever. I always tell Monkee that I could "do more" for the kitties out there if he wasn't such a b*stard! But I think he "knows" that and likes to keep it that way! -Caroline
Re: FelV+ kitty that needs a home
I just spoke to her just now because I wanted to get more information. She says the black and white cat is probably more closer to 1 year because she has already had one litter (she's fixed now). But she'd need to get the actual age approximation from the vet that did her spay. She thinks that based on that, just going on her gut and knowing the colony she came from, that she is most likely positive. Apparently, it's a cat colony in downtown Louisville that is well-established. This rescuer has caught all of them by hand- so none of them are feral- she hasn't had to trap any of them. She said since it's an established colony and she's now fixed all of them (there shouldn't be any litters), those that are going to be exposed have probably already been exposed. She currently has four from the same location- the black and white female, the symptomatic orange male and two others. One of the other two tested negative. The other one, she has not tested yet. And clarification on the orange male- I misunderstood her, he tested positive for FelV and HIV. She said his symptoms are that he has a runny eye that won't clear up with treatment and although he's been at her house (separated from negative cats) for a few weeks and he eats a ton, he can't gain weight. She said he's really sweet though and not in distress. She thinks the best she can do is release him and her neighborhood contact that looks after the colony has promised to let her know if/when he starts going downhill. She will go retrieve him and get him care as best she can. It sounds to me like she has done this before with established colonies. She has a fe leuk sanctuary that she works with, but she is full. I guess if I knew for sure the black and white female was positive, I might think about what I can do for her (although my mom will KILL me). But I just don't know what Monkee would do? -Caroline From: "Susan Dubose" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgTo: Subject: Re: FelV+ kitty that needs a homeDate: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 13:46:27 -0500>I agree, a sanctuary situation is always the best and purrfurred option.>>However, GOOD sanctuaries are hard to find, and not only stay full, but>usually have long waiting lists.>>I just don't buy into the thinking that "Any life is better than no life",>like one vet told me that was very "radical" rescuewise.>>There are worse things than death, like living on a chain w/ no food, water>or contact if you are a dog, being a "breeding machine, (this is the>scenario that made her make THAT statement) or living outside as a sick cat,>too weak to protect yourself.>>Having found sick / injured cats / kittens before along the road covered in>fireants, but too weak to move, REALLY, REALLY sucks.>>If someone is fostering a symptomatic felv+ cat, and can no longer keep it,>and all options have been exhausted as far as placement, I certainly would>not think badly about them if they had it euthanized.>>It would be better than putting it outside.>>Susan J. DuBose >^..^<>www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com>www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org>www.shadowcats.net> "As Cleopatra lay in state,>Faithful Bast at her side did wait,>Purring welcomes of soft applause,>Ever guarding with sharpened claws."> Trajan Tennent>>>>>- Original Message ->From: "Kelley Saveika" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>To: >Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 12:56 PM>Subject: Re: FelV+ kitty that needs a home>>>Well, first I would determine if she is actually FELV+, since one>positive test doesn't mean a whole lot. If she is FELV+, I would seek>sanctuary placement for her, but that's just me.>>Yahoo!>> More photos, more messages, more storageget 2GB with Windows Live Hotmail.
Re: FelV+ kitty that needs a home
I agree, a sanctuary situation is always the best and purrfurred option. However, GOOD sanctuaries are hard to find, and not only stay full, but usually have long waiting lists. I just don't buy into the thinking that "Any life is better than no life", like one vet told me that was very "radical" rescuewise. There are worse things than death, like living on a chain w/ no food, water or contact if you are a dog, being a "breeding machine, (this is the scenario that made her make THAT statement) or living outside as a sick cat, too weak to protect yourself. Having found sick / injured cats / kittens before along the road covered in fireants, but too weak to move, REALLY, REALLY sucks. If someone is fostering a symptomatic felv+ cat, and can no longer keep it, and all options have been exhausted as far as placement, I certainly would not think badly about them if they had it euthanized. It would be better than putting it outside. Susan J. DuBose >^..^< www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net "As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws." Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: "Kelley Saveika" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 12:56 PM Subject: Re: FelV+ kitty that needs a home Well, first I would determine if she is actually FELV+, since one positive test doesn't mean a whole lot. If she is FELV+, I would seek sanctuary placement for her, but that's just me. Yahoo!
Re: FelV+ kitty that needs a home
Sounds like she will need a foster home for about 3 months to determine whether of not she IS pos., and if so, whether or not she will throw off the virus. Susan J. DuBose >^..^< www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net "As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws." Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: Caroline Kaufmann To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 12:55 PM Subject: Re: FelV+ kitty that needs a home I will talk to her about the pos. pos. cat then and tell her what you said. As for the black and white kitty, I just have never brought another cat into the house because #1- Monkee hates other cats! He's crazy. However, one of the "street" cats I talked about, I call her "the little girl"- she is on my front stoop all the time and when Monkee is on his porch, well, they see a lot of each other. Now, he's not totally cool with her, but he has gotten better and she's kind of become a nice, distant companion for him since he's gotten ill. When I do take him out now, she walks around us, near, but never touching, and he seems to like it. But I wouldn't want to do ANYTHING that would distress Monkee- like bring in a kitty. And #2- I still have trouble understanding the whole FelV+ thing. Since she is a kitty, I would worry that she could be false pos. or throw off the virus and if so, exposure to Monkee would be a very bad thing. I have just always played it safe and never let Monkee touch or get near any other cats ever. I always tell Monkee that I could "do more" for the kitties out there if he wasn't such a b*stard! But I think he "knows" that and likes to keep it that way! -Caroline in one place!
Re: FelV+ kitty that needs a home
Well, first I would determine if she is actually FELV+, since one positive test doesn't mean a whole lot. If she is FELV+, I would seek sanctuary placement for her, but that's just me. On 7/10/07, Caroline Kaufmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Not feral. The rescuer says she can hold her in her hand and she the cutest, sweetest, gentlest little thing and I guess that is why she's looking for someone to take her because she thinks she can be a good pet. From: "Kelley Saveika" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: FelV+ kitty that needs a home Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 12:28:27 -0500 >Well, the one who is asymptomatic may not even be FELV+. It may be >a >false pos. Or the cat may throw the virus off. No sanctuary would >accept this cat without a pos IFA test. I think that is the issue >with testing feral cats. Homes are sometimes found for FELV+ cats >but >it can take quite some time. Is the cat feral? > >On 7/10/07, Caroline Kaufmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> >>I think she said she usually doesn't test the ones she traps, fixes >>and >>releases- for FelV- but "for some reason" she did these two. >>That's what >>she said. >> >> >>-Caroline >> >> >>____________ >> >>From: "Kelley Saveika" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >>Subject: Re: FelV+ kitty that needs a home >>Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 12:10:56 -0500 >> >> >Alley Cat Allies advocates not combo testing asymptomatic feral >> >cats. >> >If they do somehow test an asymptomatic feral cat and it comes up >> >pos, >> >they don't euthanize it. >> > >> >If you have one that is symptomatic I expect that is a different >> >story. >> > >> >http://www.alleycat.org/pdf/test.pdf >> > >> >On 7/10/07, Caroline Kaufmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>I have yet another kitty-related dilemma and I wanted to put the >> >>word out to you guys to see if you can help. When I was at the >>pet >> >>store on Friday, I was looking at the kitties up for adoption. >>Not >> >>because I can take any now-- I have too much going on with >>Monkee >> >>as it is. But seeing them play and running around boosts my >> >>spirits. Well, I met the lady that does the adoption for them >> >>through the Shamrock foundation (no kill). She's a cat rescuer >> >>and many of the cats that end up there being fostered and >>waiting >> >>for adoption were rescued from the pound by her. I was telling >>her >> >>about Monkee and she said she doesn't have much experience with >> >>FelV+ cats, but that she has two now that were living outside, >> >>trapped and have recently been fixed. They tested positive for >> >>FelV. One is an orange tabby that is positive-positive and she >> >>said "doesn't look good"- like he might already be sick. The >>other >> >>is a tiny 6 month old long haired black and white female. She >>says >> >>she is currently living in her bathroom right now and she can't >> >>take her in- she just doesn't have the room and resources to >>take >> >>an Felv+ in. The only option she has it to release both the >>cats >> >>back to the neighborhood where they were hanging out in. >> >>Apparently there is a lady there that feeds them and kind of >>keeps >> >>and eye on them, but it means that she will have to release two >> >>FelV+ cats that won't be able to get the care they need if/when >> >>they get sick and will be at risk for spreading this horrible >> >>disease to other cats. She said she is really sick over it, but >> >>she doesn't know what else to do. She said the black and white >> >>female looks really good and she thinks could live a healthy >>life, >> >>if she could just get someone to take on a FelV+ kitty. I told >>her >> >>I would ask you guys about it and see if there's anything other >> >>options here. >> >>I am so new to all this- I am not a formal rescuer- I have >>really >> >>only rescued 2 strays (Monkee) and the unspayed (but not >>pregnant >> >>yet-
Re: FelV+ kitty that needs a home
I will talk to her about the pos. pos. cat then and tell her what you said. As for the black and white kitty, I just have never brought another cat into the house because #1- Monkee hates other cats! He's crazy. However, one of the "street" cats I talked about, I call her "the little girl"- she is on my front stoop all the time and when Monkee is on his porch, well, they see a lot of each other. Now, he's not totally cool with her, but he has gotten better and she's kind of become a nice, distant companion for him since he's gotten ill. When I do take him out now, she walks around us, near, but never touching, and he seems to like it. But I wouldn't want to do ANYTHING that would distress Monkee- like bring in a kitty. And #2- I still have trouble understanding the whole FelV+ thing. Since she is a kitty, I would worry that she could be false pos. or throw off the virus and if so, exposure to Monkee would be a very bad thing. I have just always played it safe and never let Monkee touch or get near any other cats ever. I always tell Monkee that I could "do more" for the kitties out there if he wasn't such a b*stard! But I think he "knows" that and likes to keep it that way! -Caroline From: "Susan Dubose" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgTo: Subject: Re: FelV+ kitty that needs a homeDate: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 12:28:59 -0500 That is quite a dilemma, you are right. First, I will have to say, to release a symptomatic double pos. cat back outside in my eyes is unethical. I hate to sound judgemental, but if the cat is already ill, it will face a crueler death, all alone, in some bushes somewhere. Or it could be attacked by predators being that it is weak, or lay down somewhere to be any food while still alive (I have seen this happen). It is better off going to the vet and getting a "kind death", which is the best thing that you can do as a last resort. The cats deserve this, it is a compassionate gesture and the final gift. Not to mention that he could contaminate any other cats outside. Please consider this and ask her to also. As far as the kitten, she can have a good life for awhile. It is still unkind in my eyes to release her outside where she will get minimal care. I know she has someone there who feeds them, but things happen and sometimes cats do not get fed and what about when she gets ill? And I guess you probably are overwhelmed now w/ Monkee, but maybe a kitten companion would cheer him up? I understand if this is not something you feel like you can take on, it requires lots of time, love & dedication, which you already are giving to Monkee, but you must be honest w/ yourself, as to what you can & cannot do. please keep us posted. Susan J. DuBose >^..^<www.PetGirlsPetsitting.comwww.Tx.SiameseRescue.orgwww.shadowcats.net "As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws." Trajan Tennent - Original Message ----- From: Caroline Kaufmann To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 10:17 AM Subject: FelV+ kitty that needs a home I have yet another kitty-related dilemma and I wanted to put the word out to you guys to see if you can help. When I was at the pet store on Friday, I was looking at the kitties up for adoption. Not because I can take any now-- I have too much going on with Monkee as it is. But seeing them play and running around boosts my spirits. Well, I met the lady that does the adoption for them through the Shamrock foundation (no kill). She's a cat rescuer and many of the cats that end up there being fostered and waiting for adoption were rescued from the pound by her. I was telling her about Monkee and she said she doesn't have much experience with FelV+ cats, but that she has two now that were living outside, trapped and have recently been fixed. They tested positive for FelV. One is an orange tabby that is positive-positive and she said "doesn't look good"- like he might already be sick. The other is a tiny 6 month old long haired black and white female. She says she is currently living in her bathroom right now and she can't take her in- she just doesn't have the room and resources to take an Felv+ in. The only option she has it to release both the cats back to the neighborhood where they were hanging out in. Apparently there is a lady there that feeds them and kind of keeps and eye on them, but it means that she will have to release two FelV+ cats that won't be able to get the care they need if/when they get sick and will be at risk for spreading this ho
Re: FelV+ kitty that needs a home
Once a feral cat that is felv+ turns symptomatic, they can be really, really hard to treat. However, once they get sick, they can also "welcome" the hands on because they know someone is trying to help them. hard choices. Susan J. DuBose >^..^< www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net "As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws." Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: "Kelley Saveika" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 12:28 PM Subject: Re: FelV+ kitty that needs a home Well, the one who is asymptomatic may not even be FELV+. It may be a false pos. Or the cat may throw the virus off. No sanctuary would accept this cat without a pos IFA test. I think that is the issue with testing feral cats. Homes are sometimes found for FELV+ cats but it can take quite some time. Is the cat feral? On 7/10/07, Caroline Kaufmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I think she said she usually doesn't test the ones she traps, fixes and > releases- for FelV- but "for some reason" she did these two. That's what > she said. > > > -Caroline > >
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Not feral. The rescuer says she can hold her in her hand and she the cutest, sweetest, gentlest little thing and I guess that is why she's looking for someone to take her because she thinks she can be a good pet. From: "Kelley Saveika" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: FelV+ kitty that needs a homeDate: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 12:28:27 -0500>Well, the one who is asymptomatic may not even be FELV+. It may be >a>false pos. Or the cat may throw the virus off. No sanctuary would>accept this cat without a pos IFA test. I think that is the issue>with testing feral cats. Homes are sometimes found for FELV+ cats >but>it can take quite some time. Is the cat feral?>>On 7/10/07, Caroline Kaufmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:>>>>>>I think she said she usually doesn't test the ones she traps, fixes >>and>>releases- for FelV- but "for some reason" she did these two. >>That's what>>she said.>>>>>>-Caroline>>>>>>________>>>>From: "Kelley Saveika" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>>Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>>Subject: Re: FelV+ kitty that needs a home>>Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 12:10:56 -0500>>>> >Alley Cat Allies advocates not combo testing asymptomatic feral>> >cats.>> >If they do somehow test an asymptomatic feral cat and it comes up>> >pos,>> >they don't euthanize it.>> >>> >If you have one that is symptomatic I expect that is a different>> >story.>> >>> >http://www.alleycat.org/pdf/test.pdf>> >>> >On 7/10/07, Caroline Kaufmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>wrote:>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>I have yet another kitty-related dilemma and I wanted to put the>> >>word out to you guys to see if you can help. When I was at the >>pet>> >>store on Friday, I was looking at the kitties up for adoption. >>Not>> >>because I can take any now-- I have too much going on with >>Monkee>> >>as it is. But seeing them play and running around boosts my>> >>spirits. Well, I met the lady that does the adoption for them>> >>through the Shamrock foundation (no kill). She's a cat rescuer>> >>and many of the cats that end up there being fostered and >>waiting>> >>for adoption were rescued from the pound by her. I was telling >>her>> >>about Monkee and she said she doesn't have much experience with>> >>FelV+ cats, but that she has two now that were living outside,>> >>trapped and have recently been fixed. They tested positive for>> >>FelV. One is an orange tabby that is positive-positive and she>> >>said "doesn't look good"- like he might already be sick. The >>other>> >>is a tiny 6 month old long haired black and white female. She >>says>> >>she is currently living in her bathroom right now and she can't>> >>take her in- she just doesn't have the room and resources to >>take>> >>an Felv+ in. The only option she has it to release both the >>cats>> >>back to the neighborhood where they were hanging out in.>> >>Apparently there is a lady there that feeds them and kind of >>keeps>> >>and eye on them, but it means that she will have to release two>> >>FelV+ cats that won't be able to get the care they need if/when>> >>they get sick and will be at risk for spreading this horrible>> >>disease to other cats. She said she is really sick over it, but>> >>she doesn't know what else to do. She said the black and white>> >>female looks really good and she thinks could live a healthy >>life,>> >>if she could just get someone to take on a FelV+ kitty. I told >>her>> >>I would ask you guys about it and see if there's anything other>> >>options here.>> >>I am so new to all this- I am not a formal rescuer- I have >>really>> >>only rescued 2 strays (Monkee) and the unspayed (but not >>pregnant>> >>yet- thank god) white kitty that I "dumped" on my mom 2 years >>ago>> >>who is now her best friend! So just don't know what the options>> >>are and wanted to see if anyone can offer some help/advice?>> >>Thanks,>> >>Caroline>> >>>> >Need
Re: FelV+ kitty that needs a home
Well, the one who is asymptomatic may not even be FELV+. It may be a false pos. Or the cat may throw the virus off. No sanctuary would accept this cat without a pos IFA test. I think that is the issue with testing feral cats. Homes are sometimes found for FELV+ cats but it can take quite some time. Is the cat feral? On 7/10/07, Caroline Kaufmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I think she said she usually doesn't test the ones she traps, fixes and releases- for FelV- but "for some reason" she did these two. That's what she said. -Caroline From: "Kelley Saveika" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: FelV+ kitty that needs a home Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 12:10:56 -0500 >Alley Cat Allies advocates not combo testing asymptomatic feral >cats. >If they do somehow test an asymptomatic feral cat and it comes up >pos, >they don't euthanize it. > >If you have one that is symptomatic I expect that is a different >story. > >http://www.alleycat.org/pdf/test.pdf > >On 7/10/07, Caroline Kaufmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> >> >>I have yet another kitty-related dilemma and I wanted to put the >>word out to you guys to see if you can help. When I was at the pet >>store on Friday, I was looking at the kitties up for adoption. Not >>because I can take any now-- I have too much going on with Monkee >>as it is. But seeing them play and running around boosts my >>spirits. Well, I met the lady that does the adoption for them >>through the Shamrock foundation (no kill). She's a cat rescuer >>and many of the cats that end up there being fostered and waiting >>for adoption were rescued from the pound by her. I was telling her >>about Monkee and she said she doesn't have much experience with >>FelV+ cats, but that she has two now that were living outside, >>trapped and have recently been fixed. They tested positive for >>FelV. One is an orange tabby that is positive-positive and she >>said "doesn't look good"- like he might already be sick. The other >>is a tiny 6 month old long haired black and white female. She says >>she is currently living in her bathroom right now and she can't >>take her in- she just doesn't have the room and resources to take >>an Felv+ in. The only option she has it to release both the cats >>back to the neighborhood where they were hanging out in. >>Apparently there is a lady there that feeds them and kind of keeps >>and eye on them, but it means that she will have to release two >>FelV+ cats that won't be able to get the care they need if/when >>they get sick and will be at risk for spreading this horrible >>disease to other cats. She said she is really sick over it, but >>she doesn't know what else to do. She said the black and white >>female looks really good and she thinks could live a healthy life, >>if she could just get someone to take on a FelV+ kitty. I told her >>I would ask you guys about it and see if there's anything other >>options here. >>I am so new to all this- I am not a formal rescuer- I have really >>only rescued 2 strays (Monkee) and the unspayed (but not pregnant >>yet- thank god) white kitty that I "dumped" on my mom 2 years ago >>who is now her best friend! So just don't know what the options >>are and wanted to see if anyone can offer some help/advice? >>Thanks, >>Caroline >> >Need a brain boost? Recharge with a stimulating game. Play now! > > > >-- >Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. > >http://www.rescuties.org > >Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! > >http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 > >Please help Caroline! > >http://rescuties.chipin.com/caroline > >I GoodSearch for Rescuties. > >Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching >the >Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo! > Missed the show? Watch videos of the Live Earth Concert on MSN. -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Caroline! http://rescuties.chipin.com/caroline I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo!
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That is quite a dilemma, you are right. First, I will have to say, to release a symptomatic double pos. cat back outside in my eyes is unethical. I hate to sound judgemental, but if the cat is already ill, it will face a crueler death, all alone, in some bushes somewhere. Or it could be attacked by predators being that it is weak, or lay down somewhere to be any food while still alive (I have seen this happen). It is better off going to the vet and getting a "kind death", which is the best thing that you can do as a last resort. The cats deserve this, it is a compassionate gesture and the final gift. Not to mention that he could contaminate any other cats outside. Please consider this and ask her to also. As far as the kitten, she can have a good life for awhile. It is still unkind in my eyes to release her outside where she will get minimal care. I know she has someone there who feeds them, but things happen and sometimes cats do not get fed and what about when she gets ill? And I guess you probably are overwhelmed now w/ Monkee, but maybe a kitten companion would cheer him up? I understand if this is not something you feel like you can take on, it requires lots of time, love & dedication, which you already are giving to Monkee, but you must be honest w/ yourself, as to what you can & cannot do. please keep us posted. Susan J. DuBose >^..^< www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net "As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws." Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: Caroline Kaufmann To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 10:17 AM Subject: FelV+ kitty that needs a home I have yet another kitty-related dilemma and I wanted to put the word out to you guys to see if you can help. When I was at the pet store on Friday, I was looking at the kitties up for adoption. Not because I can take any now-- I have too much going on with Monkee as it is. But seeing them play and running around boosts my spirits. Well, I met the lady that does the adoption for them through the Shamrock foundation (no kill). She's a cat rescuer and many of the cats that end up there being fostered and waiting for adoption were rescued from the pound by her. I was telling her about Monkee and she said she doesn't have much experience with FelV+ cats, but that she has two now that were living outside, trapped and have recently been fixed. They tested positive for FelV. One is an orange tabby that is positive-positive and she said "doesn't look good"- like he might already be sick. The other is a tiny 6 month old long haired black and white female. She says she is currently living in her bathroom right now and she can't take her in- she just doesn't have the room and resources to take an Felv+ in. The only option she has it to release both the cats back to the neighborhood where they were hanging out in. Apparently there is a lady there that feeds them and kind of keeps and eye on them, but it means that she will have to release two FelV+ cats that won't be able to get the care they need if/when they get sick and will be at risk for spreading this horrible disease to other cats. She said she is really sick over it, but she doesn't know what else to do. She said the black and white female looks really good and she thinks could live a healthy life, if she could just get someone to take on a FelV+ kitty. I told her I would ask you guys about it and see if there's anything other options here. I am so new to all this- I am not a formal rescuer- I have really only rescued 2 strays (Monkee) and the unspayed (but not pregnant yet- thank god) white kitty that I "dumped" on my mom 2 years ago who is now her best friend! So just don't know what the options are and wanted to see if anyone can offer some help/advice? Thanks, Caroline -- Need a brain boost? Recharge with a stimulating game. Play now!
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I think she said she usually doesn't test the ones she traps, fixes and releases- for FelV- but "for some reason" she did these two. That's what she said. -Caroline From: "Kelley Saveika" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: FelV+ kitty that needs a homeDate: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 12:10:56 -0500>Alley Cat Allies advocates not combo testing asymptomatic feral >cats.>If they do somehow test an asymptomatic feral cat and it comes up >pos,>they don't euthanize it.>>If you have one that is symptomatic I expect that is a different >story.>>http://www.alleycat.org/pdf/test.pdf>>On 7/10/07, Caroline Kaufmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:I have yet another kitty-related dilemma and I wanted to put the >>word out to you guys to see if you can help. When I was at the pet >>store on Friday, I was looking at the kitties up for adoption. Not >>because I can take any now-- I have too much going on with Monkee >>as it is. But seeing them play and running around boosts my >>spirits. Well, I met the lady that does the adoption for them >>through the Shamrock foundation (no kill). She's a cat rescuer >>and many of the cats that end up there being fostered and waiting >>for adoption were rescued from the pound by her. I was telling her >>about Monkee and she said she doesn't have much experience with >>FelV+ cats, but that she has two now that were living outside, >>trapped and have recently been fixed. They tested positive for >>FelV. One is an orange tabby that is positive-positive and she >>said "doesn't look good"- like he might already be sick. The other >>is a tiny 6 month old long haired black and white female. She says >>she is currently living in her bathroom right now and she can't >>take her in- she just doesn't have the room and resources to take >>an Felv+ in. The only option she has it to release both the cats >>back to the neighborhood where they were hanging out in. >>Apparently there is a lady there that feeds them and kind of keeps >>and eye on them, but it means that she will have to release two >>FelV+ cats that won't be able to get the care they need if/when >>they get sick and will be at risk for spreading this horrible >>disease to other cats. She said she is really sick over it, but >>she doesn't know what else to do. She said the black and white >>female looks really good and she thinks could live a healthy life, >>if she could just get someone to take on a FelV+ kitty. I told her >>I would ask you guys about it and see if there's anything other >>options here.>>I am so new to all this- I am not a formal rescuer- I have really >>only rescued 2 strays (Monkee) and the unspayed (but not pregnant >>yet- thank god) white kitty that I "dumped" on my mom 2 years ago >>who is now her best friend! So just don't know what the options >>are and wanted to see if anyone can offer some help/advice?>>Thanks,>>Caroline>>>Need a brain boost? Recharge with a stimulating game. Play now!-->Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time.>>http://www.rescuties.org>>Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life!>>http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20>>Please help Caroline!>>http://rescuties.chipin.com/caroline>>I GoodSearch for Rescuties.>>Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching >the>Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo!> Missed the show? Watch videos of the Live Earth Concert on MSN.
Re: FelV+ kitty that needs a home
Alley Cat Allies advocates not combo testing asymptomatic feral cats. If they do somehow test an asymptomatic feral cat and it comes up pos, they don't euthanize it. If you have one that is symptomatic I expect that is a different story. http://www.alleycat.org/pdf/test.pdf On 7/10/07, Caroline Kaufmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I have yet another kitty-related dilemma and I wanted to put the word out to you guys to see if you can help. When I was at the pet store on Friday, I was looking at the kitties up for adoption. Not because I can take any now-- I have too much going on with Monkee as it is. But seeing them play and running around boosts my spirits. Well, I met the lady that does the adoption for them through the Shamrock foundation (no kill). She's a cat rescuer and many of the cats that end up there being fostered and waiting for adoption were rescued from the pound by her. I was telling her about Monkee and she said she doesn't have much experience with FelV+ cats, but that she has two now that were living outside, trapped and have recently been fixed. They tested positive for FelV. One is an orange tabby that is positive-positive and she said "doesn't look good"- like he might already be sick. The other is a tiny 6 month old long haired black and white female. She says she is currently living in her bathroom right now and she can't take her in- she just doesn't have the room and resources to take an Felv+ in. The only option she has it to release both the cats back to the neighborhood where they were hanging out in. Apparently there is a lady there that feeds them and kind of keeps and eye on them, but it means that she will have to release two FelV+ cats that won't be able to get the care they need if/when they get sick and will be at risk for spreading this horrible disease to other cats. She said she is really sick over it, but she doesn't know what else to do. She said the black and white female looks really good and she thinks could live a healthy life, if she could just get someone to take on a FelV+ kitty. I told her I would ask you guys about it and see if there's anything other options here. I am so new to all this- I am not a formal rescuer- I have really only rescued 2 strays (Monkee) and the unspayed (but not pregnant yet- thank god) white kitty that I "dumped" on my mom 2 years ago who is now her best friend! So just don't know what the options are and wanted to see if anyone can offer some help/advice? Thanks, Caroline Need a brain boost? Recharge with a stimulating game. Play now! -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Caroline! http://rescuties.chipin.com/caroline I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo!
FelV+ kitty that needs a home
I have yet another kitty-related dilemma and I wanted to put the word out to you guys to see if you can help. When I was at the pet store on Friday, I was looking at the kitties up for adoption. Not because I can take any now-- I have too much going on with Monkee as it is. But seeing them play and running around boosts my spirits. Well, I met the lady that does the adoption for them through the Shamrock foundation (no kill). She's a cat rescuer and many of the cats that end up there being fostered and waiting for adoption were rescued from the pound by her. I was telling her about Monkee and she said she doesn't have much experience with FelV+ cats, but that she has two now that were living outside, trapped and have recently been fixed. They tested positive for FelV. One is an orange tabby that is positive-positive and she said "doesn't look good"- like he might already be sick. The other is a tiny 6 month old long haired black and white female. She says she is currently living in her bathroom right now and she can't take her in- she just doesn't have the room and resources to take an Felv+ in. The only option she has it to release both the cats back to the neighborhood where they were hanging out in. Apparently there is a lady there that feeds them and kind of keeps and eye on them, but it means that she will have to release two FelV+ cats that won't be able to get the care they need if/when they get sick and will be at risk for spreading this horrible disease to other cats. She said she is really sick over it, but she doesn't know what else to do. She said the black and white female looks really good and she thinks could live a healthy life, if she could just get someone to take on a FelV+ kitty. I told her I would ask you guys about it and see if there's anything other options here. I am so new to all this- I am not a formal rescuer- I have really only rescued 2 strays (Monkee) and the unspayed (but not pregnant yet- thank god) white kitty that I "dumped" on my mom 2 years ago who is now her best friend! So just don't know what the options are and wanted to see if anyone can offer some help/advice? Thanks, Caroline Need a brain boost? Recharge with a stimulating game. Play now!
