Re: Inky update - Belinda
Kerry,If he's eating and drinking that much I think it's a very good sign. I assume you're not giving broth with salt in it though. That wouldn't be good.take care, tKerry Roach [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:I am really out of touch with things lately since Inky's been so sick. His last blood work was improved though...BUN 28 down from 79 and CRE 2.3 down from 2.9 which normal is 2.1 so that is much better...I have taken him for fluids 3 times and I am not doing it anymore...I know they need them, but he is so stressed out from it that we both can't handle it...It seems to me that his heart can't take it..He is out of it for nearly 12 hours after receiveing 100 to 150cc of fluids...He won't even get up to eat or drink..He will only go to the box..Have any of you ever had a kitty that got so out of it from fluids.. They usually make them feel better, but in Inky's case it just makes him worse...so I told his vet that I won't do it unless absolutely necessary and seems to me if he is eating good and drinking alot of water and broth without vomiting, that he should be ok...We have even put fluids evenly on both sides of him and it still makes him feel bad...I think I am just going to keep a good eye on him and make sure he eats and drinks his broth..I give him around 110cc 3 to 4 times a day and he drinks all of it..plus water..Any thoughts on this please let me know. Thanks for all your help, Kerry, Bandy and Inky Get your email and more, right on the new Yahoo.com
Re: Inky update - Belinda
Hi, Inky just doesn't seem to tolerate the fluids, and I don't really know why..He isn't retaining any fluid as he pees alot..He is drinking around 300 to 400cc a day. I am giving him chicken broth all he wants...I measure all the fluids so I don't think he will dehydrate as long as he keeps drinking like this...I do add some water to the broth, too..I don't know if he is even drinking plain water much. The broth bowl goes empty regularly though..If he stops drinking then I will have to get the sub-q's for sure.. I just know when he gets fluids, he feels really bad for about 10 to 12 hrs..I would rather see him eating and drinking on his own than going off all of it for that time period..Does that make any sense?? I do understand how important the fluids are when you were talking about the kidney damage. When his thyroid profile was done the other day, it was in the normal range, too..as he is on 1/4 tapazole now for hyper-t He ate an entire can of chicken k/d yesterday and some grilled chicken breast.. I feed him french fries, too..strange as it may be it is a good way for me to give him his pills..He only weighs 5 lbs now..He has never been a large kitty always around 7.5. I just don't know what to do other than keep a close eye on him to make sure he drinks enough..Let me know what you think about how much fluid he drinks. Thanks again for your help, Kerry, Bandy and Inky Stay in the know. Pulse on the new Yahoo.com. Check it out.
Re: Inky update - Belinda
Hi Kerry, Keep an eye on how much he is peeing, Fred pees ALOT and that's another reason I have to give him the additional fluids, he also drinks pretty good and I add water to his food. He is barely concentrating his urine, not good, so he really needs the fluids. I do know there is a cat on the CRF list that reacted like Inky is, feeling worse after the fluids, she (kitties Mom) just wrote yesterday to say after about a week and a half they are seeing a difference and their cats is acting more normal and doesn't feel bad anymore after fluids. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candlelight Service http://bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://HostDesign4U.com BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] http://bmk.bemikitties.com
Re: Inky update - Belinda
I am really out of touch with things lately since Inky's been so sick. His last blood work was improved though...BUN 28 down from 79 and CRE 2.3 down from 2.9 which normal is 2.1 so that is much better...I have taken him for fluids 3 times and I am not doing it anymore...I know they need them, but he is so stressed out from it that we both can't handle it...It seems to me that his heart can't take it..He is out of it for nearly 12 hours after receiveing 100 to 150cc of fluids...He won't even get up to eat or drink..He will only go to the box..Have any of you ever had a kitty that got so out of it from fluids.. They usually make them feel better, but in Inky's case it just makes him worse...so I told his vet that I won't do it unless absolutely necessary and seems to me if he is eating good and drinking alot of water and broth without vomiting, that he should be ok...We have even put fluids evenly on both sides of him and it still makes him feel bad...I think I am just going to keep a good eye on him and make sure he eats and drinks his broth..I give him around 110cc 3 to 4 times a day and he drinks all of it..plus water..Any thoughts on this please let me know. Thanks for all your help, Kerry, Bandy and Inky Get your email and more, right on the new Yahoo.com
Re: Inky update - Belinda
Hi Belinda, I don't have Inky's last blood work papers here, but I am going to get them tomorrow..I can give you the initial tests results done on Aug. 18. I am only going to list the ones that are not in the normal range.. ALB +4.5 (2.2-4.4 G/DL) AMY +2650 (330-1100 U/L) BUN +79 (10-30 MG/DL) PHOS +9.3 (3.4-8.5 MG/DL) CRE +2.9 (.3-2.1 MG/DL) HCT 36.3 ( which is way in the middle so no signs of anemia) I was really pleased with that one.. I do remember when they re-checked his blood before I brought him home, they were around the normal range..except the amylase..AMY it was worse actually over 3000. I will post those tomorrow or as soon as I get them, but I am sure the BUN was under 30 and the creatine was around 2.3. I don't remember what the phos was at that time..I guess we will re-do blood work in a month or so, too.. He hates sub-q fluids, I have to take him as I can't do it by myself at home. He won't let me and really gets stressed out about it..I know I am going to have to find a way to do it here..It does stress him some to take him, too, but I think it is because the fluids always go down his leg and he just can't get around too good for awhile..They talked about putting in a port so it would be easier to do at home...have you had any dealings with one of those?? I still don't think his problem is all related to his kidneys..I really believe he was having pancreatitis attack..The vomiting has stopped and he has a normal stool now. She did say he had liver failure, too, but I know the bilirubin is suppose to be elevated or not normal if that is going on and his was in the middle range of normal..I had a renal kitty in the past and I know no matter how much IV fluids we gave him the BUN and CRE never came down like this or as rapid.. Anyway, I guess we will stay on the K/D diet and as much raw food as I can get him to eat..He really likes chicken broth so I give him all he wants..I know for several days, he didn't even drink water just the broth, but lots of it. I did sneak some water in it at times, too..He has so many issues going on, it is hard to deal with..His thyroid test was normal this time, too..so 1/4 tapazole is working for him..I just hate that he is on so much pred right now...10mg daily, but I am going to cut it back to 7.5 then guess we will work our way down if we can..Please let me know what you think.. Thanks for the info, Kerry, Bandy and Inky Get your own web address for just $1.99/1st yr. We'll help. Yahoo! Small Business.
Re: Inky update - Belinda
PS. I forgot to say, high AMY and glucose can be indicator of pancreas problems. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candlelight Service http://bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://HostDesign4U.com BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] http://bmk.bemikitties.com
Re: Inky update - Belinda
Belinda, I was just going to write to you for an update about Fred. I'm glad he seems to be doing better and is accepting his subqs a little more gracefully. Head bumps to Fred and Inky, Nina Belinda wrote: Kerry, What are Inky's BUN and creatinine values, these are the two main ones associated with Kidney problems" Fred gets daily fluids now, 100MLs a day, I have to bribe him with chicken or tuna. His creatinine went from 2.6 to 4.2 in three weeks, his BUN actually got a little better from 46 to 44 getting no fluids, so my vet suggested 75MLs a every other day but we talked and I asked her if it wouldn't be better for him to get fluids everyday since he got so much worse so quickly. She said yes but since he was NOT good about getting them she tried to make it easy for me, but he will get what he needs. The creatinine is the most important to determine the loss of function. He has been pretty good, the last couple days he has grumbled a bit but he is getting his fluids and I think he is putting some weight back on. I think we redo bloodwork in about a month or so, I hope his creatinine went down a little. His anemia is OK, he was 24% last time we checked, he had a dental right before and IV fluids so we weren't sure how accurate it was, it was 30% before the dental, he isn't acting anemic so I'm not too worried about that. I just wanted to impress how important fluids are for a cat with kidney problems, I asked my vet specifically about it because there is a person on the CRF list that keeps saying fluids are only to hyrdate the cat, this is NOT true and I knew my vet had told me that. Yes they do hyrdate the cat BUT they also help the part of the kidney that is still functioning to flush the kidneys thereby helping rid the body of toxins and keeping the healthy functioning part of the the kidney functioning for as long as possible. CRF is a terminal disease process but there are things you can do to delay the inevitable and fluids are a very big part of it. My vet told me the kidney are made up of tubularies (sp?) and when there is a kidney problem the tubularies start scarring and closing up with scar tissue. Fluids help keep the healthy un-scarred tubularies open and working longer so fluids are important. Not the most scientific explanation but basically what my vet described as I understood it anyway. Also getting Inky to drink as much as possible is good also. Wet food if he will eat it is better than dry and any juice you can get him to drink is good. I will bring food to Fred when he is in another room and try and get him to eat a little, I even add water to the wet food. I hope Inky starts feeling better soon. Lots of prayers and healthy positive thoughts coming for Inky.
