Re: Tabbs my Siamese in Spain to Belinda open to all comments please regarding l-lysine
Hi Belinda, Due to his Kidney readings being Ok my vet seems to think that the epogen or Aranesp, will not help in this case, also remember he is FELV positive. at the beginning his kidneys where not so good on the readings , but we believe this was due to his bad mouth infecting the kidneys or that's what I believe, the other thing is that even though I have taken a report down to my vet to read (she is German and did know all about interferon, and is also treating 3 other cats,) Her impression was a disinterest, due to some one who she knows has done some studies on it,( so she really sort of blew it out. She said as the Kidneys were working then it was not worth using it, also she mentioned the cost. and ontop of this I would have to get it my self, which on my past inquires I did meet a lot of stone walls. But if you know that it is worth a try please advise me of any other person who have treated there cats when the Kidneys are OK. I wish to thank you on your response. and I am open to all comments. thanks. I will let you know the blood results when I get them. take care to you both Sandra [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.cat-sculptures.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 1089 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Try www.SPAMfighter.com for free now!
Re: Tabbs my Siamese in Spain to Belinda open to all comments please regarding l-lysine
Hi Sandra, My Bailey is FeLV+ and is anemic, his kidney's are perfect in fact all of his organs are in great shape. His anemia is due directly to the FeLV virus replicating in the bone marrow, and preventing the bone marrow from producing the red cells. He is diagnosed with myeloid dysplastic anemia which we found by doing the bone marrow aspirate. Bailey's HCT was 19% when we got his bloodwork results on January 3rd, we started the epogen on January 6th and his HCT went down to 15% in a few weeks, but was at 23% when we last checked it on Feburary 5th, this is a direct result from using the epogen, Bailey's HCT was continually going down, and I am positive without the epogen he wouldn not be alive today. Epogen can take up to 3 weeks to start working and in the meantime the HCT can and in many cases does go lower as it did with Bailey. You need to get your vet to try the epogen or get it yourself, it isn't that expensive atleast here in the US. The vial I got was about $300.00 but should last me 4 months. Please if you haven't already done so join the anemia group they are an excellent resource for this and can help with the dose strength if you do decide to try the epogen. My vet uses a larger strength than most vets do, but it is the same dose wise. Most vets perscribe the 2000IU strength which I think averages 3 or 5 doses, cost averages between $28 to $32 dollars, mine was the 1IU strength X2 which was 300.00 (although the pharmacy made a mistake and it wil cost me $330.00 for my next vial), they gave it to me at their misquoted price this last time. Honestly if his kidney's are fine and he has been checked for internal bleeding and for hemobart (even if he tested negative for the hemobart he may still have it, it is VERY tricky to find and if it were me I would put him on doxycycline for 21 days just to be on the safe side) then I would do the bone marrow aspirate to find out exactly what is causing the anemia, there are so many things that can cause it. I get the very distinct feeling your vet doesn't want to bother with Tabbs because he is positive and if it were me I'd be looking hard for another vet. Bailey was 5 months old when I found him and tested FeLV+ then, so he has been positive most of his life, he is 10 years old now. He has been healthy up until last year when we had teeth problems and now this anemia so we have been pretty lucky. -- Belinda Happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties ... http://www.bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candle Light Service http://www.bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com (affordable hosting web design) http://HostDesign4U.com --- BMK Designs (non-profit web sites) http://bmk.bemikitties.com
Re: Tabbs my Siamese in Spain to Belinda open to all comments please regarding l-lysine
Marrisa, Bloodwork will tell you alot, is his anemia regenerative or non regenerative, what are his kidney values, does he have hemobartonella, a full CBC would tell you all of that? Once you know those answers then you can figure out what comes next. With his count that low though you may want to consider a transfusion until you have the bloodwork info. Did you do a full CBC? -- Belinda Happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties ... http://www.bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candle Light Service http://www.bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com (affordable hosting web design) http://HostDesign4U.com --- BMK Designs (non-profit web sites) http://bmk.bemikitties.com
Re: Tabbs my Siamese in Spain to Belinda open to all comments please regarding l-lysine
Hi Belinda, I have not been on line so much as I had some bad news 2 weeks ago, with the last blood test showing Tabbs at HCT 10%, he drop from HCT21% , which was up on another test 2 weeks early where he had drop from 17.5 to 17.2, then the last test but one hewent up to theHCT21% .To have this big drop was a shock to me, as I thought he was picking up, so did the new vet,The only good news is that on all the tests (4 now), his Kidneys seem to be good. He has been on the Interferon for the last 11 days, I have been lucky and have been using the feline interferon Virbagen omega, 1/2 ml every other day, I am also luckly that he is still eating and has no side effects that are showing . A little quite for a fews hours after the injection, which I am doing at home. I had a another blood test this morning, which will be the first after using the interferon, I was hopful that we were going to have some good results, but when the blood was drawn, the blood did not look very good,too much water showing, I will not know the results until hopfully Saturday midday. So not looking so good. his mouth is still playing him up and I will be restarting the stomorgyl as this seem to help him, but we took a break from it when we started the interferon.Also he is on Iron and vitamins supperments, and the Kidneys Fortekor 5 I have been trying to get the l-lysine from my chemist, but their brand names are not the same, can any one help me by giving me a list of all the ingredients that are normally listed on the packing., so as I can try get a close match. Belinda I read your up date this morning, and really hope that things take a better course for you and Bailey, think about you both, take care and stay strong Hi Sandra, With kidney problems anemia is quite common, you need to get Tabbs on epogen, and it would be a good idea to join the anemia list. I just recently joined because my Bailey is anemic, we will find out Tuesday if it is an auto immune response or the FeLV virus replicating in his bone marrow or cancer. He has been on epogen going on 2 weeks now and so far on his last bloodwork his HCT was ho lding at 18%. Tuesday he will get bloodwork again to see if there has been any change. Not making the red cells means his anemia is non-regenerative and this makes it imperative he gets epogen, if he is not making red cells he will not live very long, and epogen takes up to 3 weeks to work. The fact that he is eating is good, my Bailey isn't eating anything on his own and I am syringe feeding him everyday.I couldn't read your bloodwork results are they in spanish? Can you ask your vet what the hemocrit value is, is this [ GOT : 19 UI/25_0c ] the hemocrit value on your bloodwork results?Here is the address for the anemia list, they are very knowledgable on kidney related anemia:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Feline_Anemia/As dangerous as it may be Tabbs mouth also needs to be addressed, untreated infections can lead to much more dangerous things, even death. What antibiotic was/is he on for it? Has it been checked to see if it is cancerous?-- Belinda Happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties ... http://www.bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candle Light Service http://www.bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com (affordable hosting web design) http://HostDesign4U.com --- BMK Designs (non-profit web sites) http://bmk.bemikitties.com I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users.It has removed 1088 spam emails to date.Paying users do not have this message in their emails.Try SPAMfighter for free now!
Re: Tabbs my Siamese in Spain to Belinda open to all comments please regarding l-lysine (Gloria-question)
Sandra, do you mean just plain l-lysine - like the powder? There is a good place online to order inexpensively - something like $5 per bottle. I don't remember the company but Gloria will. Gloria??Sandra [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Belinda, I have not been on line so much as I had some bad news 2 weeks ago, with the last blood test showing Tabbs at HCT 10%, he drop from HCT21% , which was up on another test 2 weeks early where he had drop from 17.5 to 17.2, then the last test but one hewent up to theHCT21% .To have this big drop was a shock to me, as I thought he was picking up, so did the new vet,The only good news is that on all the tests (4 now), his Kidneys seem to be good. He has been on the Interferon for the last 11 days, I have been lucky and have been using the feline interferon Virbagen omega, 1/2 ml every other day, I am also luckly that he is still eating and has no side effects that are showing . A little quite for a fews hours after the injection, which I am doing at home. I had a another blood test this morning, which will be the first after using the interferon, I was hopful that we were going to have some good results, but when the blood was drawn, the blood did not look very good,too much water showing, I will not know the results until hopfully Saturday midday. So not looking so good. his mouth is still playing him up and I will be restarting the stomorgyl as this seem to help him, but we took a break from it when we started the interferon.Also he is on Iron and vitamins supperments, and the Kidneys Fortekor 5 I have been trying to get the l-lysine from my chemist, but their brand names are not the same, can any one help me by giving me a list of all the ingredients that are normally listed on the packing., so as I can try get a close match. Belinda I read your up date this morning, and really hope that things take a better course for you and Bailey, think about you both, take care and stay strong Hi Sandra, With kidney problems anemia is quite common, you need to get Tabbs on epogen, and it would be a good idea to join the anemia list. I just recently joined because my Bailey is anemic, we will find out Tuesday if it is an auto immune response or the FeLV virus replicating in his bone marrow or cancer. He has been on epogen going on 2 weeks now and so far on his last bloodwork his HCT was ho lding at 18%. Tuesday he will get bloodwork again to see if there has been any change. Not making the red cells means his anemia is non-regenerative and this makes it imperative he gets epogen, if he is not making red cells he will not live very long, and epogen takes up to 3 weeks to work. The fact that he is eating is good, my Bailey isn't eating anything on his own and I am syringe feeding him everyday.I couldn't read your bloodwork results are they in spanish? Can you ask your vet what the hemocrit value is, is this [ GOT : 19 UI/25_0c ] the hemocrit value on your bloodwork results?Here is the address for the anemia list, they are very knowledgable on kidney related anemia:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Feline_Anemia/As dangerous as it may be Tabbs mouth also needs to be addressed, untreated infections can lead to much more dangerous things, even death. What antibiotic was/is he on for it? Has it been checked to see if it is cancerous?-- Belinda Happiness is being owned by cats ...Be-Mi-Kitties ... http://www.bemikitties.comPost Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.comFeLV Candle Light Service http://www.bemikitties.com/clsHostDesign4U.com (affordable hosting web design) http://HostDesign4U.com---BMK Designs (non-profit web sites) http://bmk.bemikitties.comI am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users.It has removed 1088 spam emails to date.Paying users do not have this message in their emails.Try SPAMfighter for free now!
Re: Tabbs my Siamese in Spain to Belinda open to all comments please regarding l-lysine
Will the new bloodwork show if he is generating new red cells? If his kidney values are good, then he should be making the Erythropoietin (this is the hormone normally produced by the kidneys of humans, cats and dogs, and what the epogen assists them to do when they have anemia that is non regenerative). I just read that Cornell was doing a study to test a feline erythropoietin. excerpt from Cornell's website: The lives of cats suffering from nonregenerative anemia might be improved with the beginning of clinical trials of recombinant feline erythropoietin (rfEPO) developed by Cornell veterinary researchers. [http://www.news.cornell.edu/Chronicle/01/7.12.01/feline_epo.html], this is from 2001 and I have never heard of it so maybe it never went anywhere??? Anyway if his kidney's are OK, maybe he will start producing the erythropoietin himself, you may want to consider a transfusion if he does seem to be getting worse because I think it takes about 3 weeks for the erythropoietin to mature in the bone marrow and be sent out into the body. Other things you can give him to help with building the blood are folic acid, pet tinic, and vitamin B complex. Prayers that Tabbs is on the road to recovery!! The only ingredients listed on my lysine bottle is lysine, so can't help there. Here is a page with different types of Lysine listed, maybe you can get something from that: http://www.herbalremedies.com/lysine.html?source=googleengine=adwords!32keyword=%28l-lysine%29match_type= -- Belinda Happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties ... http://www.bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candle Light Service http://www.bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com (affordable hosting web design) http://HostDesign4U.com --- BMK Designs (non-profit web sites) http://bmk.bemikitties.com
Re: Tabbs my Siamese in Spain to Belinda open to all comments please regarding l-lysine
Here is more iformatin about L-Lysine, maybe your pharmacist can figure out something comparable from this: http://www.herbalremedies.com/l-lysine-information.html -- Belinda Happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties ... http://www.bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candle Light Service http://www.bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com (affordable hosting web design) http://HostDesign4U.com --- BMK Designs (non-profit web sites) http://bmk.bemikitties.com
Re: Tabbs my Siamese in Spain to Belinda open to all comments please regarding l-lysine
Belinda ,no he is not generating new red cells, his early test shown he was no regenerated sadly. Thank you very much for the new information you have given me, I am starting to feel that I am losing control of things and that other than Tabbs being so strong willed with all the TLC that he is getting that I am slowly losing the battle. Hope I am wrong, I am pulling all the stops out, but kick my self that I did not start the interferon early. any comments welcome, and thanks for the other tips, kindest thoughts Sandra and my big teddy bear Tabbs [EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED]www.cat-sculptures.com[EMAIL PROTECTED]I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users.It has removed 1088 spam emails to date.Paying users do not have this message in their emails.Try SPAMfighter for free now!
Re: Tabbs my Siamese in Spain to Belinda open to all comments please regarding l-lysine
Sandra, How much epogen was/is he getting, as far as I know from what my vet say's and from experience with others going through the same thing, it should bring his count up. I do know that with some kitties the standard recomended dose was not strong enough. Cindi's cat on the anemia list had to use three times the recomended dose before it started helping her cat. Is he still getting epogen? Ask your vet about increasing the dose if he is, sometimes when the vet see's no results, many will conclude it isn't working or that the cat has developed antibodies and it may just be that the dose isn't strong enough, especially if they haven't been on it for very long. -- Belinda Happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties ... http://www.bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candle Light Service http://www.bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com (affordable hosting web design) http://HostDesign4U.com --- BMK Designs (non-profit web sites) http://bmk.bemikitties.com
