RE: Warning: Immuno-regulin side effects
Title: Message Thanks for the warning Michelle. SO glad to hear Ginger is enjoying life. I'm sorry, Idon't know what to make of her not eating either. She seems interested in eating from what you say, and tries to eat a little, but then stops. Logic would suggest it's because eating is painful for her or makes her uncomfortable in some way I'm sure you've checked for ulcers? Or---and if I mentioned this already, forgive me, and it's an "out there" idea anyway-- could it be that sheWANTS to be hand fed by you all the time now (a bit like the story we heard last week?). I know how frustrating/worrying it is when they don't eat---I'm praying that she starts again soon. Kerry -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Monday, May 16, 2005 11:06 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Warning: Immuno-regulin side effects Ginger got her second dose of Immuno-regulin today. She is now running all over, jumping, playing, and trying (rather unsuccessfully) to eat a little (don't get too excited-- I doubt the amount she ate on her own would fill up a thimble). She is meowing for me and trying to knock the door down separating her room from the rest of the house. In other words, except for the very serious fact that she is not eating normally, she seems great. However, she had a very scary reaction to the Immuno-regulin for the first hour or so after getting it. I think she had it the first time too, on Friday, but we were in the car then so I don't think I knew the extent of it. It seems to give her severe chills, so she shakes, and makes her temperature go way up for a short time. I took her temp at104.7 and then 106.1while this happened. I freaked out and called the woman from the shelter where I volunteer and Ginger came from, who came over with her own thermometer and temped her at 105.8. I gave her fluids and, per a vet who works with the shelter, one baby aspirin. Within 30 minutes or so her temp was down to 104.8 (still high) and she was purring and playing a little. Within another 30 minutes she was running around, interested in food and nibbling a little, jumping onto the very high bed in that room, and getting pinker than she has been for days. When I thought back, I realized that after she got the first shot at the emergency room, while I was driving home she crawled onto my lap and was shivering and I called the emergency room to ask if this could just be an effect of the moderate fever they had temped her at, and they said yes. But she probably had a major temp spike then too. I looked in the literature on I-R and it says that under 10% of cats get side effects which can include a minor increase in temperature (I do not think 105.8 is minor) and chills and sluggishness. I guess she gets that reaction. Terry, from the shelter, looked it up in a book she has on meds for cats and dogs and saw that the dosages range from .25 to .5 ml, and I had given her .5 ml because that is what the article on the felineleukemia.org website recommends. I do not know if I will give it to her again or not, but Terry said if I do I should give the lower dosage, and I think I would give it with a baby aspirin. Right when it happened I said I would never give her the meds again, but she is so incredibly spunky now that I am not sure. I actually just had to stop typing and go take her out of a planter on a shelf that she had climbed into, and now she is at the door meowing for me to go back and play with her! Her next dosage would be on Thursday, and she has an ultrasound on Thursday if she is still not eating, so I would wait and see what the ultrasound says. If god-forbid she has cancer, then the I-R is probably not the answer anyway. Terry could not believe she is not eating, because she looks so normal. Her nose is still congested, but not very much by the sound of it. Her not eating is a mystery. It made sense before the dental surgery, and right afterwards and while her URI was so bad, but now it does not make any sense, unless she still can not smell or taste much because she is still somewhat congested. I hope that is all it is. Anyway, I just wanted to convey this experience with Immuno-Regulin so that you will know if you ever decide to try it that there can be temporary side effects that can be scary. Terry at the shelter uses it frequently and says she has never seen anything like Ginger's reaction to it, but she also said that it passed so quickly that, with 150 cats at the shelter, she is not sure she would notice if they had a brief spell of chills or a brief temp spike, since she was not totally listless or anything when it happened. MichelleThis email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This
Re: Warning: Immuno-regulin side effects
It sounds to me like the benefits outweigh the reaction. I'm so happy she is feeling better! My cat, Doobie, has reactions to any vaccines, and so they give him a dose of something like "dexamethizone" (not sure of the exact spelling) with any immunizations, or he will run a faver, and his feet get hot and itchy, and he turns bright pink and generally miserable. I only update his rabies vaccine every 3 years now though (and he does not get the other "cat" vaccines). Jenn -- Ginger got her second dose of Immuno-regulin today. She is now running all over, jumping, playing, and trying (rather unsuccessfully) to eat a little (don't get too excited-- I doubt the amount she ate on her own would fill up a thimble). She is meowing for me and trying to knock the door down separating her room from the rest of the house. In other words, except for the very serious fact that she is not eating normally, she seems great. However, she had a very scary reaction to the Immuno-regulin for the first hour or so after getting it. I think she had it the first time too, on Friday, but we were in the car then so I don't think I knew the extent of it. It seems to give her severe chills, so she shakes, and makes her temperature go way up for a short time. I took her temp at104.7 and then 106.1while this happened. I freaked out and called the woman from the shelter where I volunteer and Ginger came from, who came over with her own thermometer and temped her at 105.8. I gave her fluids and, per a vet who works with the shelter, one baby aspirin. Within 30 minutes or so her temp was down to 104.8 (still high) and she was purring and playing a little. Within another 30 minutes she was running around, interested in food and nibbling a little, jumping onto the very high bed in that room, and getting pinker than she has been for days. When I thought back, I realized that after she got the first shot at the emergency room, while I was driving home she crawled onto my lap and was shivering and I called the emergency room to ask if this could just be an effect of the moderate fever they had temped her at, and they said yes. But she probably had a major temp spike then too. I looked in the literature on I-R and it says that under 10% of cats get side effects which can include a minor increase in temperature (I do not think 105.8 is minor) and chills and sluggishness. I guess she gets that reaction. Terry, from the shelter, looked it up in a book she has on meds for cats and dogs and saw that the dosages range from .25 to .5 ml, and I had given her .5 ml because that is what the article on the felineleukemia.org website recommends. I do not know if I will give it to her again or not, but Terry said if I do I should give the lower dosage, and I think I would give it with a baby aspirin. Right when it happened I said I would never give her the meds again, but she is so incredibly spunky now that I am not sure. I actually just had to stop typing and go take her out of a planter on a shelf that she had climbed into, and now she is at the door meowing for me to go back and play with her! Her next dosage would be on Thursday, and she has an ultrasound on Thursday if she is still not eating, so I would wait and see what the ultrasound says. If god-forbid she has cancer, then the I-R is probably not the answer anyway. Terry could not believe she is not eating, because she looks so normal. Her nose is still congested, but not very much by the sound of it. Her not eating is a mystery. It made sense before the dental surgery, and right afterwards and while her URI was so bad, but now it does not make any sense, unless she still can not smell or taste much because she is still somewhat congested. I hope that is all it is. Anyway, I just wanted to convey this experience with Immuno-Regulin so that you will know if you ever decide to try it that there can be temporary side effects that can be scary. Terry at the shelter uses it frequently and says she has never seen anything like Ginger's reaction to it, but she also said that it passed so quickly that, with 150 cats at the shelter, she is not sure she would notice if they had a brief spell of chills or a brief temp spike, since she was not totally listless or anything when it happened. Michelle No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.11 - Release Date: 5/16/2005
Re: Warning: Immuno-regulin side effects-- Ginger
She seems totally normal now except for the occasional sneeze and sniffle, and except for the very major fact that she is not eating. She tries to cover all the food I bring her, and I have tried everything. She either does not have an appetite or feels unable to eat. She does not vomit when I syringe her, but instead gives herself a thorough washing afterwards and then acts totally normal. So I am really stumped. I guess we we are left with doing the ultrasound on Thursday. Michelle In a message dated 5/17/2005 11:39:44 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It sounds to me like the benefits outweigh the reaction. I'm so happy she is feeling better!
Re: Warning: Immuno-regulin side effects
I assume that when the dental vet removed 10 teeth she checked for ulcers, but I will have the vet on Thursday check too. I looked in her mouth and can not see any. It does seem to me, though, like her mouth is uncomfortable in some way or chewing is difficult, but it is hard to understand why that would make her not eat baby food at this point. When she ate a few pieces of dry food she swallowed them without chewing. It's not a hand feeding thing because she only eats a piece or two when I hand feed her and then says I am impossibly annoying and goes to the other end of the bed or the room. So I don't think she wants more hand feeding. Michelle In a message dated 5/17/2005 10:35:59 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Thanks for the warning Michelle. SO glad to hear Ginger is enjoying life. I'm sorry, Idon't know what to make of her not eating either. She seems interested in eating from what you say, and tries to eat a little, but then stops. Logic would suggest it's because eating is painful for her or makes her uncomfortable in some way I'm sure you've checked for ulcers? Or---and if I mentioned this already, forgive me, and it's an "out there" idea anyway-- could it be that sheWANTS to be hand fed by you all the time now (a bit like the story we heard last week?). I know how frustrating/worrying it is when they don't eat---I'm praying that she starts again soon. Kerry
Re: Warning: Immuno-regulin side effects-- Ginger
tuna water? Bonnie inWI - Original Message - From: Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tuesday, May 17, 2005 3:10 pm Subject: Re: Warning: Immuno-regulin side effects-- Ginger Michelle, Will Ginger lap up liquid? Is she drinking water?
