Re: ear infection/ear surgery
I was listening to a snippet on the news a short while ago where they were talking about cancer cells that were just at the edge of where the imunine system recognizes them as being foreign and attacks them and kills them... The news was talking about genetic engineering to get the immune system to extend that little bit more so it will detect cancer and fight it... FeLV is probably the reverse of extending ... Thus the very high rate of cancer deaths Tad [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Phaewryn, That's really interesting (and scary) [re: last paragraph]. I'm thinking that it isn't the vaccine that lends itself to carcinoma...it's the virus. There's more here than meets the eye...or brain, I should say, at first glance. I guess i've known that lymphoma was an unwelcome complication -- but i never really put two and two together in my head on a molecular/viral level. FeVL is a virus...more and more cancers are found to be linked to viruses. I can feel the rest of that thought in the front of my head putting pressure but there is something here I can't put my finger on that wants to click. There is a definite link between virus and cancer. elizabeth *Save the earth. It's the only planet with chocolate.* -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tue, 5 Dec 2006 5:16 PM Subject: Re: ear infection/ear surgery http://www.sniksnak.com/cathealth/ear-infections.html http://www.2ndchance.info/earprobs.htm http://www.2ndchance.info/earsurg.htm http://www.vetinfo.com/catear.html#Chronic%20otitis%20media%20-%20ear http://www.vetsurgerycentral.com/ventral%20bulla.htm http://www.dermapet.com/articles/otitis_surgery.html http://www.blackwell-synergy.com/doi/abs/10./j.1748-5827.2003.tb00101.x http://www.blackwell-synergy.com/doi/abs/10./j.1532-950x.2004.04065.x?journalCode=vsu http://www.dfwvetsurgeons.com/total-ear.html This one is not likely, but I ran across it, and it does have one disturbing paragraph in it: http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=340369 Lymphoma is the most common feline neoplasia. In the last 15 y, the overall incidence of feline lymphoma has decreased, and the relative frequency of different anatomical forms has changed. These shifts in the incidence and locations of feline lymphoma may be due, in part, to the use of commercial vaccines to prevent infection with feline leukemia virus, a biologic carcinogen responsible for the development of feline lymphoma. Am I mis-reading that, or are they saying that the FELV vaccine is a biologic carcinogen that causes Lymphoma? This is from the main NIH website that describes itself as: The National Institutes of Health (NIH), a part of the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services http://www.dhhs.gov/, is the primary Federal agency for conducting and supporting medical research. Phaewryn Please save Whitey! http://ucat.us/Whitey.html VT low cost SpayNeuter, and Emergency Financial Assistance for cat owners: http://ucat.us/VermontLowCost.html Special Needs Cat Resources: http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Check out the new AOL http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/1615326657x4311227241x4298082137/aol?redir=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Eaol%2Ecom%2Fnewaol. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more.
RE: ear infection/ear surgery
This makes sense -- in humans anyway, leukemia is cancer of the blood, so it's not far-fetched that one sort of cancer (especially one that has free range of the entire body) might promote another in a different organ. But this is kind of a circular thing: The vaccine has decreased the incidence of lymphoma in cats, yet the virus itself used in the vaccine CAUSES cancer. Furthermore, generally cats that test FeLV+ do not get vaccinated, and they have a high incidence of lymphoma. Makes me wonder if maybe veterinary science should be looking into a vaccine made for FeLV+ cats that will guard specifically against lymphoma while not killing them in the process. I'm sort of assuming not a lot of energy has been expended on this as yet, seeing as how so many vets still immediately assume that pts is the first line of action for an FeLV+ diagnosis. Maybe now that SOME people realize that it's the opportunistic diseases, like lymphoma, that carry these babies off rather than the FeLV itself, there will be some work toward lengthening their lives. Diane R. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sally Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2006 8:09 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: ear infection/ear surgery My take on the statement is the virus is the carcinogenic agent not the vaccine. use of the vaccine has lowered incidences of Lymphomas in the past 15 years. However you have to read closely to get the meaning. sally This electronic mail transmission and any attachments are confidential and may be privileged. They should be read or retained only by the intended recipient. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the transmission from your system. In addition, in order to comply with Treasury Circular 230, we are required to inform you that unless we have specifically stated to the contrary in writing, any advice we provide in this email or any attachment concerning federal tax issues or submissions is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, to avoid federal tax penalties.
Re: was ear infection/ear surgery-- lymphoma
I DEFINITELY think that what this says is that FeLV is a biologic carcinogen responsible for the development of feline lymphoma and that the shifts have come from vaccines cutting down on the incidence of FeLV. Michelle In a message dated 12/6/2006 10:27:24 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: These shifts in the incidence and locations of feline lymphoma may be due, in part, to the use of commercial vaccines to prevent infection with feline leukemia virus, a biologic carcinogen responsible for the development of feline lymphoma.
ear infection/ear surgery
Hi, if anyone knows about surgery on ears for cats (due to ear infection), please contact me - Also, is there any support group/list for ear problem among cats that you know of?
Re: ear infection/ear surgery
http://www.sniksnak.com/cathealth/ear-infections.html http://www.2ndchance.info/earprobs.htm http://www.2ndchance.info/earsurg.htm http://www.vetinfo.com/catear.html#Chronic%20otitis%20media%20-%20ear http://www.vetsurgerycentral.com/ventral%20bulla.htm http://www.dermapet.com/articles/otitis_surgery.html http://www.blackwell-synergy.com/doi/abs/10./j.1748-5827.2003.tb00101.x http://www.blackwell-synergy.com/doi/abs/10./j.1532-950x.2004.04065.x?journalCode=vsu http://www.dfwvetsurgeons.com/total-ear.html This one is not likely, but I ran across it, and it does have one disturbing paragraph in it: http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=340369 Lymphoma is the most common feline neoplasia. In the last 15 y, the overall incidence of feline lymphoma has decreased, and the relative frequency of different anatomical forms has changed. These shifts in the incidence and locations of feline lymphoma may be due, in part, to the use of commercial vaccines to prevent infection with feline leukemia virus, a biologic carcinogen responsible for the development of feline lymphoma. Am I mis-reading that, or are they saying that the FELV vaccine is a biologic carcinogen that causes Lymphoma? This is from the main NIH website that describes itself as: The National Institutes of Health (NIH), a part of the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, is the primary Federal agency for conducting and supporting medical research. Phaewryn Please save Whitey! http://ucat.us/Whitey.html VT low cost SpayNeuter, and Emergency Financial Assistance for cat owners: http://ucat.us/VermontLowCost.html Special Needs Cat Resources: http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html
Re: ear infection/ear surgery
Phaewryn, That's really interesting (and scary) [re: last paragraph]. I'm thinking that it isn't the vaccine that lends itself to carcinoma...it's the virus. There's more here than meets the eye...or brain, I should say, at first glance. I guess i've known that lymphoma was an unwelcome complication -- but i never really put two and two together in my head on a molecular/viral level. FeVL is a virus...more and more cancers are found to be linked to viruses. I can feel the rest of that thought in the front of my head putting pressure but there is something here I can't put my finger on that wants to click. There is a definite link between virus and cancer. elizabeth *Save the earth. It's the only planet with chocolate.* -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tue, 5 Dec 2006 5:16 PM Subject: Re: ear infection/ear surgery http://www.sniksnak.com/cathealth/ear-infections.html http://www.2ndchance.info/earprobs.htm http://www.2ndchance.info/earsurg.htm http://www.vetinfo.com/catear.html#Chronic%20otitis%20media%20-%20ear http://www.vetsurgerycentral.com/ventral%20bulla.htm http://www.dermapet.com/articles/otitis_surgery.html http://www.blackwell-synergy.com/doi/abs/10./j.1748-5827.2003.tb00101.x http://www.blackwell-synergy.com/doi/abs/10./j.1532-950x.2004.04065.x?journalCode=vsu http://www.dfwvetsurgeons.com/total-ear.html This one is not likely, but I ran across it, and it does have one disturbing paragraph in it: http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=340369 Lymphoma is the most common feline neoplasia. In the last 15 y, the overall incidence of feline lymphoma has decreased, and the relative frequency of different anatomical forms has changed. These shifts in the incidence and locations of feline lymphoma may be due, in part, to the use of commercial vaccines to prevent infection with feline leukemia virus, a biologic carcinogen responsible for the development of feline lymphoma.Am I mis-reading that, or are they saying that the FELV vaccine is a biologic carcinogen that causes Lymphoma? This is from the main NIH website that describes itself as: The National Institutes of Health (NIH), a part of the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, is the primary Federal agency for conducting and supporting medical research. Phaewryn Please save Whitey! http://ucat.us/Whitey.html VT low cost SpayNeuter, and Emergency Financial Assistance for cat owners: http://ucat.us/VermontLowCost.html Special Needs Cat Resources: http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more.
