date:20050113

Last night I heard a slight thud and thought Simon had tried to do something 
he couldn't and fallen over, only to see  him next to me on the bed, having 
gotten on it himself (it is a low bed, close to the floor). He proceeded to 
walk 
all over the house and up and down stairs as if nothing were wrong at all.  
He is eating, though perhaps not as furiously as yesterday (I think he ate far 
more than the equivalent of a large can by the end of yesterday) and pickier 
(only wanted the liver shake and just picked at other stuff-- but drank all the 
liver shake I gave him, about half a bowl), and he is bright and curious and 
a little playful.  He has lost weight, but he basically seems like a thinner, 
slightly less energetic and hungry version of his old self.  He is more his 
old self than when he was on chemo and his blood values were almost normal.

I thought yesterday, and continue to suspect, that this is a final rally 
before death as sometimes happens.  However, I am beginning to wonder if 
perhaps 
the steroids have kicked in and are doing something.  Kathy-- does this level 
and length of eating and energy seem consistent with a final rally before 
death, or does it seem like something might actually be improving?

I am afraid to hope, but I emailed the oncologist asking if there is a decent 
chance that, given his behavior, his blood counts might be normal enough to 
get a dose of adriamycin or ccmu (the strong chemo he was supposed to get last 
week) without needing to be hospitalized or risking getting very ill.  he 
feels so good and is so happy right now that I do not want to do something to 
make 
him miserable, but if there is a chance he can get something at a level not 
likely to make him ill and come home afterwards I might bring him in.  I am 
almost afraid to do anything-- subject him to a car ride, give him any medicine 
at all, because he is doing so well on nothing and I am wondering how much of 
it has to do with being happy and stress-free after so many weeks of vet 
visits, force feedings, pills, and fluids.  What if I bring him there and the 
stress 
or the chemo makes him sick?  Perhaps steroids can keep him happy for a 
little while, and chances of complete remission from chemo at this point are 
probably still not high even if he is able to get the stronger chemo.  But if 
the 
oncologist thinks it is possible he can get that chemo and come home, and have 
a 
chance at remission for weeks or months, should I bring him there to get seen 
and have his blood levels checked? 

He really is not as ferociously hungry as yesterday morning, when he would 
eat anything. He did turn down everything I offered him after a few bites this 
morning until I gave him the liver shake, which he vacuumed up and then licked 
the bowl clean.  But then again yesterday morning he had not eaten for days, 
and now he ate as recently as midnight or so. Perhaps the weakness was largely 
from not having had any food, rather than his anemia?  However, when his PCV 
was down very low before, to 13 or under, he had no energy even while getting 
fed enough to gain weight.  Last Friday it was at 15 and falling.  Unless he 
has adjusted to a low hematocrit, it is hard to imagine that it has fallen much 
more and yet his weakness was only due to lack of food.  Don't get me wrong-- 
he is not as energetic as his pre-cancer self-- not jumping to high places or 
running around like a crazy boy.  But he does have the energy of a lot of 
normal cats right now, absent the jumping.

Thanks for any insights, and I truly hope I am not jinxing him by asking you 
this or daring to have some slight hope,
Michelle

Re: OT:Poorly ran Humane Societies and Shelters

Our shelter had a good director. She is doing her best and has accomplished 
a lot against great odds.  She has single handedly wiped out dog fighting in 
3 counties.  The whole problem with the shelter is they have no room.  The 
couny has been terrible in its support.  They are finally building extra 
housing as we speak.

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Teri,
Since they are a NO KILL they are applauded, no one thinks about the 
environment, that they put these animals in, and maintain cleanliness. I 
really do need to see if there is something I can do, regretfully I donated 
thousands of dollars, where it went who knows.

I have thought about starting off site a shelter and now more than ever I 
want to do it, I have thought about about Quimble, maybe starting something 
where all those like Quimble would have a place to go.

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
For starters:
1) Write what you see and hear.
2) Take photos if possible.
3) Talk with others that have seen the situation or been in it. Always nice 
to have witness accounts of things like prior employees or volunteers that 
know firsthand.
4) Alot depends on whether it's ran by any type of government or private 
party. Normally if it is a priavte it is a corporation. They have Board 
members find out who they are and where they stand. Find out when they have 
their meetings it is called Open Board meeting the public is allowed to 
go and speak their thoughts.
If you are a member (you pay once a year) you have that option to speak at 
the meetings.
If it is ran by the city or county they have City Council meeting once or 
twice a month and the public is invited to appear and speak.
5) Talk to the Newspapers or anyone that can get it out to the public. 
Write in to the Newspapers and local TV stations.
6) Most importantly get people involved in your community that is where 
your support comes in. Once the word gets out then your on your way.
Anyway just few ideas...

Terrie Mohr
Check site for available Siameses for adoption!
More will be posted soon.
http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescue
http://siamese.meetup.com/38/
This is for those of you in WA. state and would like to attend.
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Re: Simon walking around well-- Kathy and others

Michelle,
This is great news, keep up the vigil...these I think are very good signs, and hoepfully he has gone into remissionmaybe that might be a little optamistic but we can always hopeyou guys are still in my thoughts.
Cherie[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Last night I heard a slight thud and thought Simon had tried to do something he couldn't and fallen over, only to see him next to me on the bed, having gotten on it himself (it is a low bed, close to the floor). He proceeded to walk all over the house and up and down stairs as if nothing were wrong at all. He is eating, though perhaps not as furiously as yesterday (I think he ate far more than the equivalent of a large can by the end of yesterday) and pickier (only wanted the liver shake and just picked at other stuff-- but drank all the liver shake I gave him, about half a bowl), and he is bright and curious and a little playful. He has lost weight, but he basically seems like a thinner, slightly less energetic and hungry version of his old self. He is more his old self than when he was on chemo and his blood values were almost normal.!
I
thought yesterday, and continue to suspect, that this is a final rally before death as sometimes happens. However, I am beginning to wonder if perhaps the steroids have kicked in and are doing something. Kathy-- does this level and length of eating and energy seem consistent with a final rally before death, or does it seem like something might actually be improving?I am afraid to hope, but I emailed the oncologist asking if there is a decent chance that, given his behavior, his blood counts might be normal enough to get a dose of adriamycin or ccmu (the strong chemo he was supposed to get last week) without needing to be hospitalized or risking getting very ill. he feels so good and is so happy right now that I do not want to do something to make him miserable, but if there is a chance he can get something at a level not likely to make him ill and come home afterwards I might bring him in. I am almost afraid to do anything!
--
subject him to a car ride, give him any medicine at all, because he is doing so well on nothing and I am wondering how much of it has to do with being happy and stress-free after so many weeks of vet visits, force feedings, pills, and fluids. What if I bring him there and the stress or the chemo makes him sick? Perhaps steroids can keep him happy for a little while, and chances of complete remission from chemo at this point are probably still not high even if he is able to get the stronger chemo. But if the oncologist thinks it is possible he can get that chemo and come home, and have a chance at remission for weeks or months, should I bring him there to get seen and have his blood levels checked? He really is not as ferociously hungry as yesterday morning, when he would eat anything. He did turn down everything I offered him after a few bites this morning until I gave him the liver shake, which he vacuumed up and then lic!
ked
the bowl clean. But then again yesterday morning he had not eaten for days, and now he ate as recently as midnight or so. Perhaps the weakness was largely from not having had any food, rather than his anemia? However, when his PCV was down very low before, to 13 or under, he had no energy even while getting fed enough to gain weight. Last Friday it was at 15 and falling. Unless he has adjusted to a low hematocrit, it is hard to imagine that it has fallen much more and yet his weakness was only due to lack of food. Don't get me wrong-- he is not as energetic as his pre-cancer self-- not jumping to high places or running around like a crazy boy. But he does have the energy of a lot of normal cats right now, absent the jumping.Thanks for any insights, and I truly hope I am not jinxing him by asking you this or daring to have some slight hope,Michelle

Re: OT:Poorly ran Humane Societies and Shelters

That is wonderful to hear.Gives me hope.Faye Lewis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Our shelter had a good director. She is doing her best and has accomplished a lot against great odds. She has single handedly wiped out dog fighting in 3 counties. The whole problem with the shelter is they have no room. The couny has been terrible in its support. They are finally building extra housing as we speak.From: Cherie A Gabbert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Reply-To: felvtalk@vlists.netTo: felvtalk@vlists.netSubject: Re: OT:Poorly ran Humane Societies and SheltersDate: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 23:53:25 -0800 (PST)MIME-Version: 1.0Received: from vlists.net ([208.186.168.62]) by mc4-f22.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Wed, 12 Jan 2005 23:54:07 -0800Received: from localhost ([EMAIL PROTECTED])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id j0D7s6025147for <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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 0.02)Precedence: listReturn-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED]X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Jan 2005 07:54:07.0359 (UTC) FILETIME=[0F0A00F0:01C4F945]Teri,Since they are a NO KILL they are applauded, no one thinks about the environment, that they put these animals in, and maintain cleanliness. I really do need to see if there is something I can do, regretfully I donated thousands of dollars, where it went who knows.I have thought about starting off site a shelter and now more than ever I want to do it, I have thought about about Quimble, maybe starting something where all those like Quimble would have a place to go.[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:For starters:1) Write what you see and hear.2) Take photos if possible.3) Talk with others that have seen the situation or been in it. Always nice to have witness accounts of things!
 like
 prior employees or volunteers that know firsthand.4) Alot depends on whether it's ran by any type of government or private party. Normally if it is a priavte it is a corporation. They have Board members find out who they are and where they stand. Find out when they have their meetings it is called "Open Board" meeting the public is allowed to go and speak their thoughts.If you are a member (you pay once a year) you have that option to speak at the meetings.If it is ran by the city or county they have City Council meeting once or twice a month and the public is invited to appear and speak.5) Talk to the Newspapers or anyone that can get it out to the public. Write in to the Newspapers and local TV stations.6) Most importantly get people involved in your community that is where your support comes in. Once the word gets out then your on your way.Anyway just f!
ew
 ideas...Terrie MohrCheck site for available Siameses for adoption!More will be posted soon.http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescuehttp://siamese.meetup.com/38/This is for those of you in WA. state and would like to attend.http://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.htmlhttp://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.htmlTAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTSSIAMESE  COLLIE RESCUEOwner/DriverPetfinder.comAdopt a Homeless
 Pet!http://www.petfinder.com/http://www.awca.net/index.htmhttp://www.felineleukemia.org/http://www.petloss.com/http://www.meezer.com/http://thesiamesestore.com/http://tx.siameserescue.org/adopt.htmlhttp://ca.siameserescue.org/http://co.siameserescue.org/http://va.siameserescue.org/

RE: Simon walking around well-- Kathy and others

2005-01-13 Thread Jen Meyer

Michelle!  That's wonderful news!  No matter what the outcome, you guys
deserve this time together.  You guys are always in my thoughts!

Jen

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Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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To: felvtalk@vlists.net
Subject: Simon walking around well-- Kathy and others

Last night I heard a slight thud and thought Simon had tried to do
something 
he couldn't and fallen over, only to see  him next to me on the bed,
having 
gotten on it himself (it is a low bed, close to the floor). He proceeded
to walk 
all over the house and up and down stairs as if nothing were wrong at
all.  
He is eating, though perhaps not as furiously as yesterday (I think he
ate far 
more than the equivalent of a large can by the end of yesterday) and
pickier 
(only wanted the liver shake and just picked at other stuff-- but drank
all the 
liver shake I gave him, about half a bowl), and he is bright and curious
and 
a little playful.  He has lost weight, but he basically seems like a
thinner, 
slightly less energetic and hungry version of his old self.  He is more
his 
old self than when he was on chemo and his blood values were almost
normal.

I thought yesterday, and continue to suspect, that this is a final rally

before death as sometimes happens.  However, I am beginning to wonder if
perhaps 
the steroids have kicked in and are doing something.  Kathy-- does this
level 
and length of eating and energy seem consistent with a final rally
before 
death, or does it seem like something might actually be improving?

I am afraid to hope, but I emailed the oncologist asking if there is a
decent 
chance that, given his behavior, his blood counts might be normal enough
to 
get a dose of adriamycin or ccmu (the strong chemo he was supposed to
get last 
week) without needing to be hospitalized or risking getting very ill.
he 
feels so good and is so happy right now that I do not want to do
something to make 
him miserable, but if there is a chance he can get something at a level
not 
likely to make him ill and come home afterwards I might bring him in.  I
am 
almost afraid to do anything-- subject him to a car ride, give him any
medicine 
at all, because he is doing so well on nothing and I am wondering how
much of 
it has to do with being happy and stress-free after so many weeks of vet

visits, force feedings, pills, and fluids.  What if I bring him there
and the stress 
or the chemo makes him sick?  Perhaps steroids can keep him happy for a 
little while, and chances of complete remission from chemo at this point
are 
probably still not high even if he is able to get the stronger chemo.
But if the 
oncologist thinks it is possible he can get that chemo and come home,
and have a 
chance at remission for weeks or months, should I bring him there to get
seen 
and have his blood levels checked? 

He really is not as ferociously hungry as yesterday morning, when he
would 
eat anything. He did turn down everything I offered him after a few
bites this 
morning until I gave him the liver shake, which he vacuumed up and then
licked 
the bowl clean.  But then again yesterday morning he had not eaten for
days, 
and now he ate as recently as midnight or so. Perhaps the weakness was
largely 
from not having had any food, rather than his anemia?  However, when his
PCV 
was down very low before, to 13 or under, he had no energy even while
getting 
fed enough to gain weight.  Last Friday it was at 15 and falling.
Unless he 
has adjusted to a low hematocrit, it is hard to imagine that it has
fallen much 
more and yet his weakness was only due to lack of food.  Don't get me
wrong-- 
he is not as energetic as his pre-cancer self-- not jumping to high
places or 
running around like a crazy boy.  But he does have the energy of a lot
of 
normal cats right now, absent the jumping.

Thanks for any insights, and I truly hope I am not jinxing him by asking
you 
this or daring to have some slight hope,
Michelle

RE: Simon walking around well-- Kathy and others

2005-01-13 Thread Joan Doljan

Michelle,

Great news! Enjoy the time together. You have one incredible boy there!

Joan

Jen Meyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Michelle! That's wonderful news! No matter what the outcome, you guysdeserve this time together. You guys are always in my thoughts!Jen-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] OnBehalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2005 6:43 AMTo: felvtalk@vlists.netSubject: Simon walking around well-- Kathy and othersLast night I heard a slight thud and thought Simon had tried to dosomething he couldn't and fallen over, only to see him next to me on the bed,having gotten on it himself (it is a low bed, close to the floor). He proceededto walk all over the house and up and down stairs as if nothing were wrong atall. He is eating, though perhaps not as furiously as yesterday (I think heate far more than the equivalent of a large !
can by
the end of yesterday) andpickier (only wanted the liver shake and just picked at other stuff-- but drankall the liver shake I gave him, about half a bowl), and he is bright and curiousand a little playful. He has lost weight, but he basically seems like athinner, slightly less energetic and hungry version of his old self. He is morehis old self than when he was on chemo and his blood values were almostnormal.I thought yesterday, and continue to suspect, that this is a final rallybefore death as sometimes happens. However, I am beginning to wonder ifperhaps the steroids have kicked in and are doing something. Kathy-- does thislevel and length of eating and energy seem consistent with a final rallybefore death, or does it seem like something might actually be improving?I am afraid to hope, but I emailed the oncologist asking if there is adecent chance that, given his behavior, !
his blood
counts might be normal enoughto get a dose of adriamycin or ccmu (the strong chemo he was supposed toget last week) without needing to be hospitalized or risking getting very ill.he feels so good and is so happy right now that I do not want to dosomething to make him miserable, but if there is a chance he can get something at a levelnot likely to make him ill and come home afterwards I might bring him in. Iam almost afraid to do anything-- subject him to a car ride, give him anymedicine at all, because he is doing so well on nothing and I am wondering howmuch of it has to do with being happy and stress-free after so many weeks of vetvisits, force feedings, pills, and fluids. What if I bring him thereand the stress or the chemo makes him sick? Perhaps steroids can keep him happy for a little while, and chances of complete remission from chemo at this pointare probably still not high e!
ven if he
is able to get the stronger chemo.But if the oncologist thinks it is possible he can get that chemo and come home,and have a chance at remission for weeks or months, should I bring him there to getseen and have his blood levels checked? He really is not as ferociously hungry as yesterday morning, when hewould eat anything. He did turn down everything I offered him after a fewbites this morning until I gave him the liver shake, which he vacuumed up and thenlicked the bowl clean. But then again yesterday morning he had not eaten fordays, and now he ate as recently as midnight or so. Perhaps the weakness waslargely from not having had any food, rather than his anemia? However, when hisPCV was down very low before, to 13 or under, he had no energy even whilegetting fed enough to gain weight. Last Friday it was at 15 and falling.Unless he has adjusted to a low hematocrit, it is hard t!
o imagine
that it hasfallen much more and yet his weakness was only due to lack of food. Don't get mewrong-- he is not as energetic as his pre-cancer self-- not jumping to highplaces or running around like a crazy boy. But he does have the energy of a lotof normal cats right now, absent the jumping.Thanks for any insights, and I truly hope I am not jinxing him by askingyou this or daring to have some slight hope,Michelle

RE: Simon walking around well-- Kathy and others

I am glad he is feeling better and hope that he continues to improve.
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Last night I heard a slight thud and thought Simon had tried to do 
something
he couldn't and fallen over, only to see  him next to me on the bed, having
gotten on it himself (it is a low bed, close to the floor). He proceeded to 
walk
all over the house and up and down stairs as if nothing were wrong at all.
He is eating, though perhaps not as furiously as yesterday (I think he ate 
far
more than the equivalent of a large can by the end of yesterday) and 
pickier
(only wanted the liver shake and just picked at other stuff-- but drank all 
the
liver shake I gave him, about half a bowl), and he is bright and curious 
and
a little playful.  He has lost weight, but he basically seems like a 
thinner,
slightly less energetic and hungry version of his old self.  He is more his
old self than when he was on chemo and his blood values were almost normal.

I thought yesterday, and continue to suspect, that this is a final rally
before death as sometimes happens.  However, I am beginning to wonder if 
perhaps
the steroids have kicked in and are doing something.  Kathy-- does this 
level
and length of eating and energy seem consistent with a final rally before
death, or does it seem like something might actually be improving?

I am afraid to hope, but I emailed the oncologist asking if there is a 
decent
chance that, given his behavior, his blood counts might be normal enough to
get a dose of adriamycin or ccmu (the strong chemo he was supposed to get 
last
week) without needing to be hospitalized or risking getting very ill.  he
feels so good and is so happy right now that I do not want to do something 
to make
him miserable, but if there is a chance he can get something at a level not
likely to make him ill and come home afterwards I might bring him in.  I am
almost afraid to do anything-- subject him to a car ride, give him any 
medicine
at all, because he is doing so well on nothing and I am wondering how much 
of
it has to do with being happy and stress-free after so many weeks of vet
visits, force feedings, pills, and fluids.  What if I bring him there and 
the stress
or the chemo makes him sick?  Perhaps steroids can keep him happy for a
little while, and chances of complete remission from chemo at this point 
are
probably still not high even if he is able to get the stronger chemo.  But 
if the
oncologist thinks it is possible he can get that chemo and come home, and 
have a
chance at remission for weeks or months, should I bring him there to get 
seen
and have his blood levels checked?

He really is not as ferociously hungry as yesterday morning, when he would
eat anything. He did turn down everything I offered him after a few bites 
this
morning until I gave him the liver shake, which he vacuumed up and then 
licked
the bowl clean.  But then again yesterday morning he had not eaten for 
days,
and now he ate as recently as midnight or so. Perhaps the weakness was 
largely
from not having had any food, rather than his anemia?  However, when his 
PCV
was down very low before, to 13 or under, he had no energy even while 
getting
fed enough to gain weight.  Last Friday it was at 15 and falling.  Unless 
he
has adjusted to a low hematocrit, it is hard to imagine that it has fallen 
much
more and yet his weakness was only due to lack of food.  Don't get me 
wrong--
he is not as energetic as his pre-cancer self-- not jumping to high places 
or
running

Re: Simon walking around well-- Kathy and others

2005-01-13 Thread Wheezercat42




Michelle,

By all means - Hope.

This is exactly why I say to offer food - just in case he starts feeling 
better and has some time left. 

This may be a 
last rally, but those rarely last more than 12-24 hours in humans. 
A lot of why he's been feeling so badly may be because of all the force feedings 
and meds and such like you mentioned. He may have adjusted to the low PCV 
(Legolas did - his was normally in the teens - and he was still landing leaps 
from the floor to my shoulder when I sat on the toilet at 13%! He played a 
lot at 25-27%). IfSimon were mine, and the oncologist said he may be 
able to go with the stronger meds and have a good chance at going into remission 
- I'd go for it. If he said he might go into remission or said the 
stronger meds would make him sick, then no, I'd go with steroids and make him 
comfortable. 

If he doesn't get too stressed out normally on a ride to the vet, I would 
want an extendeddiagnostic panel done - one that shows PCV, hemocrit, 
liver function and kidney function - with more emphasis on kidney function 
(because you already know his liver function is minimal). If it were me, 
anything beyond steroids that you give and what you've been doing this week 
would depend on his test results and activity level.

I'm mentioning this because a diet change may be helpful. My guy Dale 
had a portal caval shunt as a kitten and had virtually no blood going to his 
liver to be filtered (the blood vessel that bypasses the liver in utero didn't 
close off like it was supposed to). If he ate meat or regular cat food 
(even a small amount) his ammonia level shot up, he slammed his eyes shut, 
tucked his elbows and knees into his sides tight, got an "Oh Sh!%!" look on his 
face, dropped to the floor, rapidly became unconscious, hyperventilated (to blow 
off the ammonia from his blood) and his body temp plummeted (cats lower their 
body temp by breathing fast since they don't sweat). When that happened, I 
had to keep him wrapped in a heating pad set on lowand take his temp every 
1/2 hour until he woke up (to make sure it didn't drop too low. He ate 
nothing but cottage cheese (he liked large curd)for a couple months, then 
as he got bored with that, I gave himshredded cheese and bits of anything 
he looked interested in that had no grease or animal protein on or in it (bread 
was okay, he loved tortillas - still does - and liked some types of yogurt and 
sour cream). He never got diarrhea from his dairy diet when he needed it 
either. 

Because Simon hasn't eaten in a while, you might want to feed a couple 
tablespoons of whatever he wants every hour or two - so he doesn't overload his 
system too much. Good luck with this.

Where there's life, there's hope."Chance Favors the prepared mind." ~ Louis 
PasteurKathy

Re: Simon walking around well-- Kathy and others

Kathy, thank you so much. Simon seems to be handling the meat ok. He wants mostly fishy stuff (which he had not wanted since getting sick) and the liver shake. I am feeding him every hour or so, and he generally eats a modest amount at a time. Except he empties the bowl of liver shake and licks it clean.

I will ask for kidney values as well today. I am not sure if they have been doing it.

What do you mean by good chance of remission? Would you do the chemo if he says that he has a 20% chance of remission? This oncologist tends to say 20% a lot. We have used him for two other animals, our dogs, and my partner, Gray, noticed that 20% seems to be the number he always uses. Gray thinks he pulls it out of a hat when he wants to make it seem like there is more than a nominal chance but not so much chance he can be blamed in any way if you do it and it does not work. Then again, maybe studies back up the 20% figures, but these prognoses are so individual it is hard to see how there would be many very relevant studies on such things.

I had basically thought that if his liver values are lower and the vet thinks he can give a dose of chemo without the need for Simon to stay in the hospital on IV fluids and not much more than usual chance of feeling sick, I will do it, but if he says Simon would have to stay in the hospital a few days in order to get the meds without risking getting very sick (he said that last week when he was giving options), I won't. Simon is so happy right now at home that I don't want to leave him in the hospital and risk him losing even this time-- and missing his purr therapy. Instead I would do more steroids on some sort of plan.

Please let me know your thoughts if you get this before 1:30 EST, as that is when I am leaving for the oncology aptmt with him.

Thanks again,
Michelle

Re: Simon walking around well-- Kathy and others

2005-01-13 Thread Barb Moermond

Michelle,
What you have in mind sounds good. You have to make a decision that you can live with down the road. The voracious appetite sounds like it's from the steroids. I had a cortisone shot about a month ago for tennis elbow and my appetite went through the roof!! Do what you think and feel will give Simon the best quality time, not the most time. Our thoughts are with you!![EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Kathy, thank you so much. Simon seems to be handling the meat ok. He wants mostly fishy stuff (which he had not wanted since getting sick) and the liver shake. I am feeding him every hour or so, and he generally eats a modest amount at a time. Except he empties the bowl of liver shake and licks it clean.I will ask for kidney values as well today. I am not sure if they have been doing it.What do you mean by good chance of remission? Would you do the chemo if he says that he has a 20% chance of remission? This oncologist tends to say 20% a lot. We have used him for two other animals, our dogs, and my partner, Gray, noticed that 20% seems to be the number he always uses. Gray thinks he pulls it out of a hat when he wants to make it seem like there is more than a nominal!
chance
but not so much chance he can be blamed in any way if you do it and it does not work. Then again, maybe studies back up the 20% figures, but these prognoses are so individual it is hard to see how there would be many very relevant studies on such things.I had basically thought that if his liver values are lower and the vet thinks he can give a dose of chemo without the need for Simon to stay in the hospital on IV fluids and not much more than usual chance of feeling sick, I will do it, but if he says Simon would have to stay in the hospital a few days in order to get the meds without risking getting very sick (he said that last week when he was giving options), I won't. Simon is so happy right now at home that I don't want to leave him in the hospital and risk him losing even this time-- and missing his purr therapy. Instead I would do more steroids on some sort of plan.Please let me know your thoughts if you get this before 1:30 EST, as th!
at is
when I am leaving for the oncology aptmt with him.Thanks again,Michelle Barb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito"My cat the clown: paying no mind to whom he should impress. Merely living his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile."- Anonymous
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I'm worried abt Levi

Thanks Karolyn. I am going to have the housecall vet I've used come and
check Levi. I'm going to ask about having a blood panel done, and
whether she can do it in my house. (I don't want her taking Levi to the
clinic she uses.)
 
To everyone: I'm worried about Levi, because he's scratching frequently
in the area between his head and his body, plus (which I find more
worrying) he hid last night and this morning, something that's unheard
of for him. 
I've been trying to figure out the scratching. I've noticed him doing it
occasionally for about a week, but the intensity has increased as of
last night. None of the others seem to be doing this, so am I right in
thinking it can't be fleas? (Can cats even get fleas if they're
quarantined?) The Frazier book I looked last night (Natural Cat) really
didn't give me any clues.

The other think that's really bothering me, is that when he sat on my
blanket on Tuesday evening, I thought I detected the faintest whiff of
the odor that Caramel had before he died. I can't tell if I'm imagining
it or not, but obviously I'm pretty worried about it, ie organ decay.

He did come running when I rattled some 'treat' Wellness dry food on the
metal tray, but didn't get stuck into it with anything near his usual
gusto. 
Kerry

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
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The cat that was sick had tested + when I took him into my home. When
one of my cats gets sick and my vet is not sure what is going on he does
a Blood Panel. The Felv was not what he was looking for. Every thing on
the test came back Normal He is fine now. We have no idea what was
going on


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RE: Simon walking around well-- Kathy and others

Title: Message

Dear
Michelle

but if
he says Simon would have to stay in the hospital a few days in order to get the
meds without risking getting very sick (he said that last week when he was
giving options), I won't. Simon is so happy right now at home that I
don't want to leave him in the hospital and risk him losing even this time-- and
missing his purr therapy.

Couldn't agree more with you. Simon would be so upset to be parted from
you. love, Kerryx

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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2005 11:08
AMTo: felvtalk@vlists.netSubject: Re: Simon walking around
well-- Kathy and othersKathy, thank you so
much. Simon seems to be handling the meat ok. He wants mostly fishy stuff (which
he had not wanted since getting sick) and the liver shake. I am feeding him
every hour or so, and he generally eats a modest amount at a time. Except he
empties the bowl of liver shake and licks it clean.I will ask for kidney
values as well today. I am not sure if they have been doing it.What do
you mean by good chance of remission? Would you do the chemo if he says that he
has a 20% chance of remission? This oncologist tends to say 20% a lot. We have
used him for two other animals, our dogs, and my partner, Gray, noticed that 20%
seems to be the number he always uses. Gray thinks he pulls it out of a
hat when he wants to make it seem like there is more than a nominal chance but
not so much chance he can be blamed in any way if you do it and it does not
work. Then again, maybe studies back up the 20% figures, but these prognoses are
so individual it is hard to see how there would be many very relevant studies on
such things.I had basically thought that if his liver values are lower
and the vet thinks he can give a dose of chemo without the need for Simon to
stay in the hospital on IV fluids and not much more than usual chance of feeling
sick, I will do it, but if he says Simon would have to stay in the hospital a
few days in order to get the meds without risking getting very sick (he said
that last week when he was giving options), I won't. Simon is so
happy right now at home that I don't want to leave him in the hospital and risk
him losing even this time-- and missing his purr therapy. Instead I would
do more steroids on some sort of plan.Please let me know your thoughts
if you get this before 1:30 EST, as that is when I am leaving for the oncology
aptmt with him.Thanks again,Michelle This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.

Re: I'm worried abt Levi

mites? food allergies? air too dry? one of my postives gets hives (or
whatever those skin bumps are) every falll and this year I gave him vit B6
25 mcg. daily and no more bumps. I can't catch 3 of my cats to ever cut
their nails or clean ears so mites is always a worry for me.  read something
gross about a vet who purposely infected himself with ear mites and reported
how the scratching noise inside his ear was close to driving him insane.
okay i got my gingko and unfortunately now remembering how much fun it is to
try to catch my gang for the vet visit today. bringing four in if we can get
them. i always picture the other ones left behind in the house high fiving
paws and breathing huge sighs of relief it wasn't their turn
the dog just groans and sleeps thru it all unless they pole vault over his
head during the chase...
barbara

Simon-final rally?

Michelle,

It may not be the final rally, but often when people, at least, are taken off of chemo they feel so much better. They can go on about their lives for days, weeks, sometimes months. (When they took my terminally ill Aunt off chemo -pancreatic liver cancer- she looked like death warmed over, they told her to go home and enjoy her garden and the summer. She was expected to only have a month or so to live. Well her husband was diagnosed with terminal lung cancer a month later and Aunt Marge rallied and held out for 3 years -taking care of Uncle Jack and helping him to die -before passing herself- just a few months after her husband.) Chemo is poision that kills the cancer in the system, but also attacks the healthy body as well. Some patients have better quality of life (although much shorter) living with the cancer than the chemo.[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Last night I heard a slight thud and thought Simon had tried to do something he couldn't and fallen over, only to see him next to me on the bed, having gotten on it himself (it is a low bed, close to the floor). He proceeded to walk all over the house and up and down stairs as if nothing were wrong at all. He is eating, though perhaps not as furiously as yesterday (I think he ate far more than the equivalent of a large can by the end of yesterday) and pickier (only wanted the liver shake and just picked at other stuff-- but drank all the liver shake I gave him, about half a bowl), and he is bright and curious and a little playful. He has lost weight, but he basically seems like a thinner, slightly less energetic and hungry version of his old self. He is more his old self than when he was on chemo and his blood values were almost normal.!
I
thought yesterday, and continue to suspect, that this is a final rally before death as sometimes happens. However, I am beginning to wonder if perhaps the steroids have kicked in and are doing something. Kathy-- does this level and length of eating and energy seem consistent with a final rally before death, or does it seem like something might actually be improving?I am afraid to hope, but I emailed the oncologist asking if there is a decent chance that, given his behavior, his blood counts might be normal enough to get a dose of adriamycin or ccmu (the strong chemo he was supposed to get last week) without needing to be hospitalized or risking getting very ill. he feels so good and is so happy right now that I do not want to do something to make him miserable, but if there is a chance he can get something at a level not likely to make him ill and come home afterwards I might bring him in. I am almost afraid to do anything!
--
subject him to a car ride, give him any medicine at all, because he is doing so well on nothing and I am wondering how much of it has to do with being happy and stress-free after so many weeks of vet visits, force feedings, pills, and fluids. What if I bring him there and the stress or the chemo makes him sick? Perhaps steroids can keep him happy for a little while, and chances of complete remission from chemo at this point are probably still not high even if he is able to get the stronger chemo. But if the oncologist thinks it is possible he can get that chemo and come home, and have a chance at remission for weeks or months, should I bring him there to get seen and have his blood levels checked? He really is not as ferociously hungry as yesterday morning, when he would eat anything. He did turn down everything I offered him after a few bites this morning until I gave him the liver shake, which he vacuumed up and then lic!
ked
the bowl clean. But then again yesterday morning he had not eaten for days, and now he ate as recently as midnight or so. Perhaps the weakness was largely from not having had any food, rather than his anemia? However, when his PCV was down very low before, to 13 or under, he had no energy even while getting fed enough to gain weight. Last Friday it was at 15 and falling. Unless he has adjusted to a low hematocrit, it is hard to imagine that it has fallen much more and yet his weakness was only due to lack of food. Don't get me wrong-- he is not as energetic as his pre-cancer self-- not jumping to high places or running around like a crazy boy. But he does have the energy of a lot of normal cats right now, absent the jumping.Thanks for any insights, and I truly hope I am not jinxing him by asking you this or daring to have some slight hope,Michelle
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RE: I'm worried abt Levi

i always picture the other ones left behind in the house high
fiving
paws and breathing huge sighs of relief it wasn't their turn

Thanks for the chuckle Barbara! 

The vet can't come till Monday. I've booked her anyway, but I'm going to
keeping a close eye on him meantime.

mites
Do mites only infect the ears? And would it be specifically the ears
they wd scratch if so? He's scratching on the 'shoulder' area.

food allergies what wd be the most efficient way to determine that?

air too dry?
I could bring the humidifier into their room.

hives I haven't felt any bumps (he's the one who's magnanimously
let me touch/stroke him in the past few days).
I do feel he must be in a lot of discomfort for him to hide. He's always
been the 'leader' of the pack, and highly visible. I feel bad for him.
I'm glad the weekend is coming up when i can keep a closer eye. Kerry

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Barbara Lowe
Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2005 12:30 PM
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mites? food allergies? air too dry? one of my postives gets hives (or
whatever those skin bumps are) every falll and this year I gave him vit
B6
25 mcg. daily and no more bumps. I can't catch 3 of my cats to ever cut
their nails or clean ears so mites is always a worry for me.  read
something
gross about a vet who purposely infected himself with ear mites and
reported
how the scratching noise inside his ear was close to driving him insane.
okay i got my gingko and unfortunately now remembering how much fun it
is to
try to catch my gang for the vet visit today. bringing four in if we can
get
them. i always picture the other ones left behind in the house high
fiving
paws and breathing huge sighs of relief it wasn't their turn
the dog just groans and sleeps thru it all unless they pole vault over
his
head during the chase...
barbara



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Re: I'm worried abt Levi

Scratching at his neck...  The first things that occurred to me were the 
things Barbara mentioned.  But if it were ear mites, he'd be scratching 
closer to his ears, usually you can see the blackish brown yuk, even at 
a distance.  And if it were mites or fleas, he wouldn't be the only one 
in the room scratching.  Have you fed them anything different than usual 
lately?  If it is a food allergy, it can come on suddenly.  They can be 
fine with a certain food for months, or even years and then wham, 
problem.  Is the air dry?  If you have a humidifier, or can borrow one, 
you could try putting it in their room and see if it helps.  Ask the vet 
if you can add some salmon oil or something like it to his diet, just in 
case it is dry skin.  

I hope he's okay,
Nina
Barbara Lowe wrote:
mites? food allergies? air too dry? one of my postives gets hives (or
whatever those skin bumps are) every falll and this year I gave him vit B6
25 mcg. daily and no more bumps. I can't catch 3 of my cats to ever cut
their nails or clean ears so mites is always a worry for me.  read something
gross about a vet who purposely infected himself with ear mites and reported
how the scratching noise inside his ear was close to driving him insane.
okay i got my gingko and unfortunately now remembering how much fun it is to
try to catch my gang for the vet visit today. bringing four in if we can get
them. i always picture the other ones left behind in the house high fiving
paws and breathing huge sighs of relief it wasn't their turn
the dog just groans and sleeps thru it all unless they pole vault over his
head during the chase...
barbara

Re: I'm worried abt Levi






In a message dated 1/13/2005 1:56:45 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
He's 
  scratching on the 'shoulder' area.
have you recently put any "flea drops" on him, such as revolution, 
advavtage...or even...GASP...Hartz?

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Re: Quimble Only Has a Few Days Left...

Thank you for posting the link to Quimble. It breaks my heart, I wish I
could take them all in somehow. I pray he finds a loving home and fast.
Nina

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Click on the link below to view the details:
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Hi All,
Just thought I'd see if there were any resources out there for this guy, seems
a shame he may not make it. Call in your favors if you have any.
Thanks
Belinda
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are fostering or are in need of finding a new home for. We are providing this
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I personally am owned by a FeLV positive kitty, Bailey. He found me at my work
place almost 7 years ago, he is a happy, HEALTHY cat. He has brought great joy
to our lives (and his brothers and sisters, we have 6 kitties), for the last 7
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shame and waste that would have been. I know that someday he MAY get sick and
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Re: I'm worried abt Levi

I am sorry to hear the Kerry, I have never heard of anything like this before. I am hopong for the best though.
Cherie"MacKenzie, Kerry N." [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Thanks Karolyn. I am going to have the housecall vet I've used come andcheck Levi. I'm going to ask about having a blood panel done, andwhether she can do it in my house. (I don't want her taking Levi to theclinic she uses.)To everyone: I'm worried about Levi, because he's scratching frequentlyin the area between his head and his body, plus (which I find moreworrying) he hid last night and this morning, something that's unheardof for him. I've been trying to figure out the scratching. I've noticed him doing itoccasionally for about a week, but the intensity has increased as oflast night. None of the others seem to be doing this, so am I right inthinking it can't be fleas? (Can cats even get fleas if they'requarantined?) The Frazier book I looked last night (Natural Cat) reallydidn't give me any clues.The other th!
ink
that's really bothering me, is that when he sat on myblanket on Tuesday evening, I thought I detected the faintest whiff ofthe odor that Caramel had before he died. I can't tell if I'm imaginingit or not, but obviously I'm pretty worried about it, ie organ decay.He did come running when I rattled some 'treat' Wellness dry food on themetal tray, but didn't get stuck into it with anything near his usualgusto. Kerry-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] OnBehalf Of Karolyn LountSent: Wednesday, January 12, 2005 5:29 PMTo: felvtalk@vlists.netSubject: RE: FeLVThe cat that was sick had tested + when I took him into my home. Whenone of my cats gets sick and my vet is not sure what is going on he doesa Blood Panel. The Felv was not what he was looking for. Every thing onthe test came back "Normal" He is fine now. We have no idea what wasgoing
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RE: Simon walking around well-- Kathy and others

Michelle,
Keep him happy and comfortable ;-))"MacKenzie, Kerry N." [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Dear Michelle

but if he says Simon would have to stay in the hospital a few days in order to get the meds without risking getting very sick (he said that last week when he was giving options), I won't. Simon is so happy right now at home that I don't want to leave him in the hospital and risk him losing even this time-- and missing his purr therapy.

Couldn't agree more with you. Simon would be so upset to be parted from you. love, Kerryx

-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2005 11:08 AMTo: felvtalk@vlists.netSubject: Re: Simon walking around well-- Kathy and othersKathy, thank you so much. Simon seems to be handling the meat ok. He wants mostly fishy stuff (which he had not wanted since getting sick) and the liver shake. I am feeding him every hour or so, and he generally eats a modest amount at a time. Except he empties the bowl of liver shake and licks it clean.I will ask for kidney values as well today. I am not sure if they have been doing it.What do you mean by good chance of remission? Would you do the chemo if he says that h!
e has a
20% chance of remission? This oncologist tends to say 20% a lot. We have used him for two other animals, our dogs, and my partner, Gray, noticed that 20% seems to be the number he always uses. Gray thinks he pulls it out of a hat when he wants to make it seem like there is more than a nominal chance but not so much chance he can be blamed in any way if you do it and it does not work. Then again, maybe studies back up the 20% figures, but these prognoses are so individual it is hard to see how there would be many very relevant studies on such things.I had basically thought that if his liver values are lower and the vet thinks he can give a dose of chemo without the need for Simon to stay in the hospital on IV fluids and not much more than usual chance of feeling sick, I will do it, but if he says Simon would have to stay in the hospital a few days in order to get the meds without risking getting very sick (he said that last week when he was giving options),!
p; I
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RE: I'm worried abt Levi

You guys are great!
No, there's no yuck that I've seen---and as I say, I've been able to get
quite close.
HI have been trying another food to get them to eat more
(Wellness canned, in a variety of flavors; they've ALWAYS had Petguard
exclusively until recently). Plus, I've added chicken liver the past
couple of days. And, I've temporarily taken away the Vita Min mix and
other supps, including fish oil, to try to get 'em to eat more. (It does
seem to have worked to an extent--there's less food being thrown away.)
ok---I'm going to see if I can go back to the Petguard exclusively. And
I'll bring the humidifier into the room.
I'll reinstate the fish oil too.
Thanks so much for those ideas Nina and Barbara!! They'll be put in
action tonight. Kerry

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Scratching at his neck...  The first things that occurred to me were the

things Barbara mentioned.  But if it were ear mites, he'd be scratching 
closer to his ears, usually you can see the blackish brown yuk, even at 
a distance.  And if it were mites or fleas, he wouldn't be the only one 
in the room scratching.  Have you fed them anything different than usual

lately?  If it is a food allergy, it can come on suddenly.  They can be 
fine with a certain food for months, or even years and then wham, 
problem.  Is the air dry?  If you have a humidifier, or can borrow one, 
you could try putting it in their room and see if it helps.  Ask the vet

if you can add some salmon oil or something like it to his diet, just in

case it is dry skin.  

I hope he's okay,
Nina

Barbara Lowe wrote:

mites? food allergies? air too dry? one of my postives gets hives (or
whatever those skin bumps are) every falll and this year I gave him vit
B6
25 mcg. daily and no more bumps. I can't catch 3 of my cats to ever cut
their nails or clean ears so mites is always a worry for me.  read
something
gross about a vet who purposely infected himself with ear mites and
reported
how the scratching noise inside his ear was close to driving him
insane.
okay i got my gingko and unfortunately now remembering how much fun it
is to
try to catch my gang for the vet visit today. bringing four in if we
can get
them. i always picture the other ones left behind in the house high
fiving
paws and breathing huge sighs of relief it wasn't their turn
the dog just groans and sleeps thru it all unless they pole vault over
his
head during the chase...
barbara





  




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Thanks
Cherie---will keep everyone posted. Kerry

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Levi
I am sorry to hear the Kerry, I have never heard of anything like this
before. I am hopong for the best though.
Cherie"MacKenzie, Kerry N."
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Thanks
Karolyn. I am going to have the housecall vet I've used come andcheck
Levi. I'm going to ask about having a blood panel done, andwhether she can
do it in my house. (I don't want her taking Levi to theclinic she
uses.)To everyone: I'm worried about Levi, because he's scratching
frequentlyin the area between his head and his body, plus (which I find
moreworrying) he hid last night and this morning, something that's
unheardof for him. I've been trying to figure out the scratching. I've
noticed him doing itoccasionally for about a week, but the intensity has
increased as oflast night. None of the others seem to be doing this, so am
I right inthinking it can't be fleas? (Can cats even get fleas if
they'requarantined?) The Frazier book I looked last night (Natural Cat)
reallydidn't give me any clues.The other th! ink that's really
bothering me, is that when he sat on myblanket on Tuesday evening, I
thought I detected the faintest whiff ofthe odor that Caramel had before
he died. I can't tell if I'm imaginingit or not, but obviously I'm pretty
worried about it, ie organ decay.He did come running when I rattled
some 'treat' Wellness dry food on themetal tray, but didn't get stuck into
it with anything near his usualgusto. Kerry-Original
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home. Whenone of my cats gets sick and my vet is not sure what is going on
he doesa Blood Panel. The Felv was not what he was looking for. Every
thing onthe test came back "Normal" He is fine now. We have no idea what
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No, Lisa, I've never used flea drops (or 
anything similar) on them. I haven't heard of Hartz..?.Kerry

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In a message dated 1/13/2005 1:56:45 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
He's scratching on the 
  'shoulder' area.
have you recently put any "flea drops" on him, such as revolution, 
advavtage...or even...GASP...Hartz?

Lisaand 
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Kerry,

I hope this is all it is:

LastFeb.(yes in the mid of winter)Quintapus did the same thing. Now mind you he's not felv+...but...His royal pampered majesty began scratching his neck..at the base of the skull...then would look at me with "that look" the 'something's not right' look. I checked and found nothing. The dog didn't have fleas...she's on that top spot stuff, I don't do the cats b/c they stay inside...but wasn't finding any fleas either. After about a day or so, he would hide under the bed right after scratching, or howl or moan after scratching.

(Quint is mainly black so it took a while to find...) Eventually after checking him for the umpteenth time, I found a small deer tick, about the size of a ( * ) attached to the base of his skull. He KNEW it was there and it just freaked him out! - ahh...mommy's little trooper...:)

Getting it off was Oh so much Fun! I found if you cut a "V" shape in a plastic 1/4 teaspoon, ...sit on the catyou can just slide the tick into the narrow part of the V, hold the skin flat and lift the tick out. (That way you aren't pinching him trying to grab it with tweezers.)...then just bandage any open wounds the cat gave you and you're good to go!

As I said, I HOPE this is all that's wrong.

Good luck.

TCherie A Gabbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I am sorry to hear the Kerry, I have never heard of anything like this before. I am hopong for the best though.
Cherie"MacKenzie, Kerry N." [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Thanks Karolyn. I am going to have the housecall vet I've used come andcheck Levi. I'm going to ask about having a blood panel done, andwhether she can do it in my house. (I don't want her taking Levi to theclinic she uses.)To everyone: I'm worried about Levi, because he's scratching frequentlyin the area between his head and his body, plus (which I find moreworrying) he hid last night and this morning, something that's unheardof for him. I've been trying to figure out the scratching. I've noticed him doing itoccasionally for about a week, but the intensity has increased as oflast night. None of the others seem to be doing this, so am I right inthinking it can't be fleas? (Can cats even get fleas if they'requarantined?) The Frazier book I looked last night (Natural Cat) reallydidn't give me any clues.The other th!
! ink
that's really bothering me, is that when he sat on myblanket on Tuesday evening, I thought I detected the faintest whiff ofthe odor that Caramel had before he died. I can't tell if I'm imaginingit or not, but obviously I'm pretty worried about it, ie organ decay.He did come running when I rattled some 'treat' Wellness dry food on themetal tray, but didn't get stuck into it with anything near his usualgusto. Kerry-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] OnBehalf Of Karolyn LountSent: Wednesday, January 12, 2005 5:29 PMTo: felvtalk@vlists.netSubject: RE: FeLVThe cat that was sick had tested + when I took him into my home. Whenone of my cats gets sick and my vet is not sure what is going on he doesa Blood Panel. The Felv was not what he was looking for. Every thing onthe test came back "Normal" He is fine now. We have no idea what wasgoing
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2005-01-13 Thread Jill Poe

Kerry, 

I think cats can get ring worm too, or it could be
contact dermatitis (skin allery).  You can try
switching him to almost any commercial food that says
low allergen.  My cat eats the low allergen Natural
Balance (I buy it at PetCo).  But if he's still eating
normally, I'd just do what you plan and keep an eye on
him until the vet comes.  

It's probably something easily fixed, although I think
ring worm can transfer to humans so you may want to be
careful about hand washing after you touch him.  If it
is that, you could see it on his skin if he was shaved
there.  I wouldn't stress him out or worry too much
and see what the vet says.  You can always switch his
food next week if she suggests it.

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Re:Levi - re: Barbara's reply

Barbara you're flipped! Thanks for the giggles!Barbara Lowe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
mites? food allergies? air too dry? one of my postives gets hives (orwhatever those skin bumps are) every falll and this year I gave him vit B625 mcg. daily and no more bumps. I can't catch 3 of my cats to ever cuttheir nails or clean ears so mites is always a worry for me. read somethinggross about a vet who purposely infected himself with ear mites and reportedhow the scratching noise inside his ear was close to driving him insane.okay i got my gingko and unfortunately now remembering how much fun it is totry to catch my gang for the vet visit today. bringing four in if we can getthem. i always picture the other ones left behind in the house high fivingpaws and breathing huge sighs of relief it wasn't their turnthe dog just groans and sleeps thru it all unless they pole vault over hishead during the
 chase...barbara
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In a message dated 1/13/2005 2:45:08 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I haven't heard of 
Hartz..?.Kerry
Well that's a good thing then...they carry it in Walmart and many pet 
stores...it is a name brand that makes MANY pet related products..all are crap 
in my opinion, but there "medical line" of stuff..such as OTC fela drops, 
wormers,a nd ear mite stuff...is known to be very harmful, if not deadly in many 
cases..esspecially with cats...yet its still on the market...CRINGE

Lisaand 
fur-bratsAkira--FeLV miracle baby www.geocities.com/anzajaguar 
Indy-- Truley Indian Jones as a cat..FEARLESSLance- Mini wire haired 
dashchundBow-Tie- 2yr old (sss he doesnt know he is 15 :) ) jack russel 
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Re: I'm worried abt Levi

2005-01-13 Thread TatorBunz



It may be skin allergies. My mom has a kitty about everytwo months or so he gets a shot and is put on some preds for it. He sits around and drives me crazy when I'm visiting her home.Just so happens when I show up then I feel like he dumping fleas off on to me imaginary itching starts. 
But she doesn't have any fleas in her home none of the cats go out. 
But in the past he done the same thing with just one flea jumping on him drives him nuts. He doeshave allergies to fleas.
(he is a long hair lynx point siamese)

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In a message dated 1/13/2005 3:04:30 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
think 
  cats can get ring worm too, or it could be
OH yes they can..and what a PITA it is to get rid of...my whole house 
has had it for about 6-8 months I think now..I THINK it is gone finally but 
every now and then I THINK I feel scabby things on 2 of my cats where the 
original lesion wasSO I still may have it around ANd actually cats 
are known as one of the more common sources for ringworm

Lisaand 
fur-bratsAkira--FeLV miracle baby www.geocities.com/anzajaguar 
Indy-- Truley Indian Jones as a cat..FEARLESSLance- Mini wire haired 
dashchundBow-Tie- 2yr old (sss he doesnt know he is 15 :) ) jack russel 
crossBennie Bird-- Vampire cockatielAnza-- sexist Senegal 
parrot..deffinantly a ladies bird :)

RE: I'm worried abt Levi

Title: Message

That's
incredible Tamara. You must have been so gladwhen youdiscovered what
the problem was AND fixed it so successfully!
You
know, I'm pretty clueless about all this flea, mite, tick business. Quintapus'
behavior does indeed sound so similar to Levi's behavior. ButI'm not in
deer country (I'm in Chicago) and the cats are quarantined.
Last
time one of them had a trip to the outside world and back was last November (vet
visit).
What
are the chances of them having a tick, deer or otherwise?
Could
I have carried it in (if that is the cause)?
Thanks!
Kerry

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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of tamara
sticklerSent: Thursday, January 13, 2005 1:58 PMTo:
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Levi
Kerry,

I hope this is all it is:

LastFeb.(yes in the mid of winter)Quintapus did the same
thing. Now mind you he's not felv+...but...His royal pampered majesty
began scratching his neck..at the base of the skull...then would look at me with
"that look" the 'something's not right' look. I checked and found
nothing. The dog didn't have fleas...she's on that top spot stuff, I don't
do the cats b/c they stay inside...but wasn't finding any fleas either.
After about a day or so, he would hide under the bed right after scratching, or
howl or moan after scratching.

(Quint is mainly black so it took a while to find...) Eventually after
checking him for the umpteenth time, I found a small deer tick, about the size
of a ( * ) attached to the base of his skull. He KNEW it was there and it
just freaked him out! - ahh...mommy's little trooper...:)

Getting it off was Oh so much Fun! I found if you cut a "V" shape in
a plastic 1/4 teaspoon, ...sit on the catyou can just slide the tick into
the narrow part of the V, hold the skin flat and lift the tick out. (That
way you aren't pinching him trying to grab it with tweezers.)...then just
bandage any open wounds the cat gave you and you're good to go!

As I said, I HOPE this is all that's
wrong.

Good luck.

TCherie A Gabbert [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

I am sorry to hear the Kerry, I have never heard of anything like this
before. I am hopong for the best though.
Cherie"MacKenzie, Kerry N."
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Thanks
Karolyn. I am going to have the housecall vet I've used come andcheck
Levi. I'm going to ask about having a blood panel done, andwhether she
can do it in my house. (I don't want her taking Levi to theclinic she
uses.)To everyone: I'm worried about Levi, because he's scratching
frequentlyin the area between his head and his body, plus (which I find
moreworrying) he hid last night and this morning, something that's
unheardof for him. I've been trying to figure out the scratching.
I've noticed him doing itoccasionally for about a week, but the
intensity has increased as oflast night. None of the others seem to be
doing this, so am I right inthinking it can't be fleas? (Can cats even
get fleas if they'requarantined?) The Frazier book I looked last night
(Natural Cat) reallydidn't give me any clues.The other th! ! ink
that's really bothering me, is that when he sat on myblanket on Tuesday
evening, I thought I detected the faintest whiff ofthe odor that Caramel
had before he died. I can't tell if I'm imaginingit or not, but
obviously I'm pretty worried about it, ie organ decay.He did come
running when I rattled some 'treat' Wellness dry food on themetal tray,
but didn't get stuck into it with anything near his usualgusto.
Kerry-Original Message-From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] OnBehalf Of
Karolyn LountSent: Wednesday, January 12, 2005 5:29 PMTo:
felvtalk@vlists.netSubject: RE: FeLVThe cat that was sick
had tested + when I took him into my home. Whenone of my cats gets sick
and my vet is not sure what is going on he doesa Blood Panel. The Felv
was not what he was looking for. Every thing onthe test came back
"Normal" He is fine now. We have no idea what wasgoing
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Thanks Jill---boy, I sure hope it's not serious. 
The funny thing is that I thought I had ringworm a few weeks agorash
on hands and wrists, one part only being a distinct ring!
But I tested one theory i had, and concluded it was allergy to rubber
glove (or bleach while using the glove). Haven't had it for a couple of
weeks.
Now I'm wondering if there's some connection between levi's current
condition and my condition of 2-3 weeks ago.Kerry
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Subject: for Kerry - Levi


Kerry, 

I think cats can get ring worm too, or it could be
contact dermatitis (skin allery).  You can try
switching him to almost any commercial food that says
low allergen.  My cat eats the low allergen Natural
Balance (I buy it at PetCo).  But if he's still eating
normally, I'd just do what you plan and keep an eye on
him until the vet comes.  

It's probably something easily fixed, although I think
ring worm can transfer to humans so you may want to be
careful about hand washing after you touch him.  If it
is that, you could see it on his skin if he was shaved
there.  I wouldn't stress him out or worry too much
and see what the vet says.  You can always switch his
food next week if she suggests it.

Jill



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Kerry,
I lived in New Jersey and Ticks were often found on my cats, around there eyes and neck, you can feel it by petting them, it is a bump, then you need to carfully pull it out, make sure you get the head and put it it rubbing alchohol to kill it. But I too am in the Chicago area, and I do not believe I have ever seen a tick nor found one, but stranger things have happenedI hope it is just a tick that would be great news."MacKenzie, Kerry N." [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

That's incredible Tamara. You must have been so gladwhen youdiscovered what the problem was AND fixed it so successfully!
You know, I'm pretty clueless about all this flea, mite, tick business. Quintapus' behavior does indeed sound so similar to Levi's behavior. ButI'm not in deer country (I'm in Chicago) and the cats are quarantined.
Last time one of them had a trip to the outside world and back was last November (vet visit).
What are the chances of them having a tick, deer or otherwise?
Could I have carried it in (if that is the cause)?
Thanks!
Kerry

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Kerry,

I hope this is all it is:

As I said, I HOPE this is all that's wrong.

Good luck.

TCherie A Gabbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I am sorry to hear the Kerry, I have never heard of anything like this before. I am hopong for the best though.
Cherie"MacKenzie, Kerry N." [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Thanks Karolyn. I am going to have the housecall vet I've used come andcheck Levi. I'm going to ask about having a blood panel done, andwhether she can do it in my house. (I don't want her taking Levi to theclinic she uses.)To everyone: I'm worried about Levi, because he's scratching frequentlyin the area between his head and his body, plus (which I find moreworrying) he hid last night and this morning, something that's unheardof for him. I've been trying to figure out the scratching. I've noticed him doing itoccasionally for about a week, but the intensity has increased as oflast night. None of the others seem to be doing this, so am I right inthinking it can't be fleas? (Can cats even get fleas if they'requarantined?) The Frazier book I looked last night (Natural Cat) reallydidn't give me any clues.The other th!
! ! ink
that's really bothering me, is that when he sat on myblanket on Tuesday evening, I thought I detected the faintest whiff ofthe odor that Caramel had before he died. I can't tell if I'm imaginingit or not, but obviously I'm pretty worried about it, ie organ decay.He did come running when I rattled some 'treat' Wellness dry food on themetal tray, but didn't get stuck into it with anything near his usualgusto. Kerry-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] OnBehalf Of Karolyn LountSent: Wednesday, January 12, 2005 5:29 PMTo: felvtalk@vlists.netSubject: RE: FeLVThe cat that was sick had tested + when I took him into my home. Whenone of my cats gets sick and my vet is not sure what is going on he doesa Blood Panel. The Felv was not what he was looking for. Every thing onthe test came back "Normal" He is fine now. We have no idea what wasgoing
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RE: for Kerry - Levi

PS---At the point I got the rash I was NOT able to touch Levi. I hadn't
touched him since last April. Kerry

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Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2005 2:03 PM
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Subject: for Kerry - Levi

Kerry, 

I think cats can get ring worm too, or it could be
contact dermatitis (skin allery).  You can try
switching him to almost any commercial food that says
low allergen.  My cat eats the low allergen Natural
Balance (I buy it at PetCo).  But if he's still eating
normally, I'd just do what you plan and keep an eye on
him until the vet comes.  

It's probably something easily fixed, although I think
ring worm can transfer to humans so you may want to be
careful about hand washing after you touch him.  If it
is that, you could see it on his skin if he was shaved
there.  I wouldn't stress him out or worry too much
and see what the vet says.  You can always switch his
food next week if she suggests it.

Jill

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RE: I'm worried abt Levi

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That's terrible. Horrifying. I'll be sure to
avoid that. Thanks Lisa!

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Levi

In a message dated 1/13/2005 2:45:08 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
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I haven't heard of
Hartz..?.Kerry
Well that's a good thing then...they carry it in Walmart and many pet
stores...it is a name brand that makes MANY pet related products..all are crap
in my opinion, but there "medical line" of stuff..such as OTC fela drops,
wormers,a nd ear mite stuff...is known to be very harmful, if not deadly in many
cases..esspecially with cats...yet its still on the market...CRINGE

RE: I'm worried abt Levi

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Thanks Terrie! I'll keep you all posted. I
sure hope it's easily remedied. That little mite (so to speak) has got me quite
worried! Kerry

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Levi
It may be skin allergies. My mom
has a kitty about everytwo months or so he gets a shot and is put on some
preds for it. He sits around and drives me crazy when I'm visiting her
home.Just so happens when I show up then I feel like he dumping fleas off
on to me imaginary itching starts.
But she doesn't have any fleas in
her home none of the cats go out.
But in the past he done the same
thing with just one flea jumping on him drives him nuts. He doeshave
allergies to fleas.
(he is a long hair lynx point
siamese)

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Thanks Lisa.

Is there any way to tell if it's ringworm 
without shaving? 



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Levi


In a message dated 1/13/2005 3:04:30 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
think cats can get ring worm 
  too, or it could be
OH yes they can..and what a PITA it is to get rid of...my whole house 
has had it for about 6-8 months I think now..I THINK it is gone finally but 
every now and then I THINK I feel scabby things on 2 of my cats where the 
original lesion wasSO I still may have it around ANd actually cats 
are known as one of the more common sources for ringworm

Lisaand 
fur-bratsAkira--FeLV miracle baby www.geocities.com/anzajaguar 
Indy-- Truley Indian Jones as a cat..FEARLESSLance- Mini wire haired 
dashchundBow-Tie- 2yr old (sss he doesnt know he is 15 :) ) jack russel 
crossBennie Bird-- Vampire cockatielAnza-- sexist Senegal 
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RE: I'm worried abt Levi

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Thanks 
Cherie! Tonight(assuming he'll let me touch him again) I'll pay close 
attention to his neck and see if there's any sort of bump.

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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Cherie A 
GabbertSent: Thursday, January 13, 2005 2:46 PMTo: 
felvtalk@vlists.netSubject: RE: I'm worried abt 
Levi
Kerry,
I lived in New Jersey and Ticks were often found on my cats, around there 
eyes and neck, you can feel it by petting them, it is a bump, then you need to 
carfully pull it out, make sure you get the head and put it it rubbing alchohol 
to kill it. But I too am in the Chicago area, and I do not believe I have ever 
seen a tick nor found one, but stranger things have happenedI hope it is 
just a tick that would be great news."MacKenzie, Kerry N." 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  
  That's incredible Tamara. You must have been so gladwhen 
  youdiscovered what the problem was AND fixed it so 
  successfully!
  You 
  know, I'm pretty clueless about all this flea, mite, tick business. Quintapus' 
  behavior does indeed sound so similar to Levi's behavior. ButI'm not in 
  deer country (I'm in Chicago) and the cats are 
quarantined.
  Last 
  time one of them had a trip to the outside world and back was last November 
  (vet visit).
  What 
  are the chances of them having a tick, deer or otherwise?
  Could I have carried it in (if that is the cause)?
  Thanks!
  Kerry
  
  
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  tamara sticklerSent: Thursday, January 13, 2005 1:58 
  PMTo: felvtalk@vlists.netSubject: Re: I'm worried abt 
  Levi
  Kerry,
  
  I hope this is all it is:
  
  LastFeb.(yes in the mid of winter)Quintapus did the same 
  thing. Now mind you he's not felv+...but...His royal pampered majesty 
  began scratching his neck..at the base of the skull...then would look at me 
  with "that look" the 'something's not right' look. I checked and found 
  nothing. The dog didn't have fleas...she's on that top spot stuff, I 
  don't do the cats b/c they stay inside...but wasn't finding any fleas 
  either. After about a day or so, he would hide under the bed right after 
  scratching, or howl or moan after scratching.
  
  (Quint is mainly black so it took a while to find...) Eventually after 
  checking him for the umpteenth time, I found a small deer tick, about the size 
  of a ( * ) attached to the base of his skull. He KNEW it was there and 
  it just freaked him out! - ahh...mommy's little trooper...:)
  
  Getting it off was Oh so much Fun! I found if you cut a "V" shape 
  in a plastic 1/4 teaspoon, ...sit on the catyou can just slide the tick 
  into the narrow part of the V, hold the skin flat and lift the tick out. 
  (That way you aren't pinching him trying to grab it with tweezers.)...then 
  just bandage any open wounds the cat gave you and you're good to go!
  
  As I said, I HOPE this is all that's 
  wrong.
  
  Good luck.
  
  TCherie A Gabbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote:
  
I am sorry to hear the Kerry, I have never heard of anything like this 
before. I am hopong for the best though.
Cherie"MacKenzie, Kerry N." 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Thanks 
  Karolyn. I am going to have the housecall vet I've used come andcheck 
  Levi. I'm going to ask about having a blood panel done, andwhether she 
  can do it in my house. (I don't want her taking Levi to theclinic she 
  uses.)To everyone: I'm worried about Levi, because he's scratching 
  frequentlyin the area between his head and his body, plus (which I 
  find moreworrying) he hid last night and this morning, something 
  that's unheardof for him. I've been trying to figure out the 
  scratching. I've noticed him doing itoccasionally for about a week, 
  but the intensity has increased as oflast night. None of the others 
  seem to be doing this, so am I right inthinking it can't be fleas? 
  (Can cats even get fleas if they'requarantined?) The Frazier book I 
  looked last night (Natural Cat) reallydidn't give me any 
  clues.The other th! ! ! ink that's really bothering me, is that 
  when he sat on myblanket on Tuesday evening, I thought I detected the 
  faintest whiff ofthe odor that Caramel had before he died. I can't 
  tell if I'm imaginingit or not, but obviously I'm pretty worried about 
  it, ie organ decay.He did come running when I rattled some 'treat' 
  Wellness dry food on themetal tray, but didn't get stuck into it with 
  anything near his usualgusto. Kerry-Original 
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  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] OnBehalf Of Karolyn LountSent: 
  Wednesday, January 12, 2005 5:29 PMTo: felvtalk@vlists.netSubject: 
  RE: FeLVThe cat that was sick had tested + when I took him 
  into my home. Whenone of my cats gets sick and my vet is not sure what 
  is going on he

Re: ringworm

2005-01-13 Thread brownstown622-rez

I am a retired hairdresser I have seen a couple of cases on human's. There would be discoloration of the skin as well as hair loss. You might be able to separate the fur in small sections to check for it.
Teri
Bossy Kitty Zoo
"MacKenzie, Kerry N." [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Thanks Lisa.

Is there any way to tell if it's ringworm without shaving?

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In a message dated 1/13/2005 3:04:30 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
think cats can get ring worm too, or it could be
OH yes they can..and what a PITA it is to get rid of...my whole house has had it for about 6-8 months I think now..I THINK it is gone finally but every now and then I THINK I feel scabby things on 2 of my cats where the original lesion wasSO I still may have it around ANd actually cats are known as one of the more common sources for ringworm

RE: I'm worried abt Levi

Sort of off the beaten path...but speaking of on the market productscheck out this food website for animalshttp://www.geocities.com/petsfood/alert/

Hope it came through it is really interesting
Cherie
"MacKenzie, Kerry N." [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


That's terrible. Horrifying. I'll be sure to avoid that. Thanks Lisa!

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In a message dated 1/13/2005 2:45:08 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I haven't heard of Hartz..?.Kerry
Well that's a good thing then...they carry it in Walmart and many pet stores...it is a name brand that makes MANY pet related products..all are crap in my opinion, but there "medical line" of stuff..such as OTC fela drops, wormers,a nd ear mite stuff...is known to be very harmful, if not deadly in many cases..esspecially with cats...yet its still on the market...CRINGE

Lisaand fur-bratsAkira--FeLV miracle baby www.geocities.com/anzajaguar Indy-- Truley Indian Jones as a cat..FEARLESSLance- Mini wire haired dashchundBow-Tie- 2yr old (sss he doesnt know he is 15 :) ) jack russel crossBennie Bird-- Vampire cockatielAnza-- sexist Senegal parrot..deffinantly a ladies bird :)This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.

RE: I'm worried abt Levi

Although its unusal, I have friends in Baltimore City that have found deer ticks on their dogs and indoor cats. The little devils hitchike on deer, fox, rabbit, even mice rats...they aren't exclusive to deer. They will feed on anything warm blooded. Yes, it is possible that you carried it home. Since I found the one on Q in February...that would mean it had been living in the home for several months before it found a host...(they normally hybrinate in winter). You could have picked it up from a park, or vets office...the things feed and then go into a type of hybernation where they can go months (I was once told a year...but don't buy that) without feeding again. They are teeny tiny but carry more disease than other ticks...LYMES being the most dreaded. Lymes disease makes the joints ache/pain, can cause lethargy, sometimes fever, loose bowels, in extreme cases organ brain damage. The symptoms are often mistake!
n for (in
animals...arthritis old age) in humans - crones disease, arthritis lupus. It is identified by a specific blood test and the sooner caught the better.(Within 24 hrs of the bite a red ring usually forms around the area and this will fade within a few hours.) Its treated with intense antibiotics. NOT ALL DEER TICKS CARRY LYMES...so don't freak out...just be aware if you find one on one of your animals...or yourself, watch for symptoms. (My dog had it last year and after treating her...she seemed to age backwards 4 years! She went from being an OLD dog at age 11 approx. to like a 7 year old again.)

Now most animals won't even notice a tick much less a deer tick on them (remember they are 1/2-1/3 the size of a flea)...Q however is a bit overlyfastidious and prides himself at being a bit of a drama king about these matters :)

If you feel around for it..you may not even feel the tick, certainly not before its gourged itself on blood, and even then, its so small it will be difficult to find.

Again I hope its something this simple for you. Good luck."MacKenzie, Kerry N." [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

That's incredible Tamara. You must have been so gladwhen youdiscovered what the problem was AND fixed it so successfully!
You know, I'm pretty clueless about all this flea, mite, tick business. Quintapus' behavior does indeed sound so similar to Levi's behavior. ButI'm not in deer country (I'm in Chicago) and the cats are quarantined.
Last time one of them had a trip to the outside world and back was last November (vet visit).
What are the chances of them having a tick, deer or otherwise?
Could I have carried it in (if that is the cause)?
Thanks!
Kerry

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Kerry,

I hope this is all it is:

As I said, I HOPE this is all that's wrong.

Good luck.

TCherie A Gabbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

socialization

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Lisa, 
I got a bit sidetracked with my worries re Levi---belatedly want to thank 
you SO much for taking the time and effort to share your 
experiences. I'm with you there re teaching via experience. It has to be spelled 
out to me. 
Kerry

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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Cherie A 
GabbertSent: Wednesday, January 12, 2005 6:03 PMTo: 
felvtalk@vlists.netSubject: Re: Sharing food
wonderful tips
I myself have a cat room, and any new member starts there for an hour or a 
day then, after the inital sniffing I let them looseso far so good not many 
fights and never big.[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  
  
  
  In a message dated 1/12/2005 5:34:38 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  Nina, 
any tips you can share re successful socializing? You make it seemso 
easy!I'm embarrassed to say, despite all the wonderful input I've had 
fromlistmembers, I'm finding it a long uphill struggle. Thanks, 
Kerry
  Kerry,
  I can let you know what I have had to do..Ive had to perfect 4 different 
  ways to accomodate 4 different kitties!! Hope it helps...
  Akira was the first one I found...I had to socialize her to the dogs...At 
  first she would cuddle with my dachshund..then she started feeling better and 
  was terrified of them both...so I took her and isolated her in my 
  bedroom..where we spend most of our time anyways...after a few days I brought 
  the dogs in..but put them in their crates..she took about 5-6 days before she 
  would feel comfy coming out with them in their crates...she slowly decided 
  to sniff them..that took about another week..then I took them out on 
  leashes..and held the close...she was nervous..but didn't hide this time..that 
  was for about 3 days..then I took my dachshund off his leash..he is the calmer 
  of the 2...she was not to happy...but stayed around..then I took Bowite out 
  too..he was too hyper for her..she hid...I finally decided that this was as 
  far as they were going to get in the small room..she felt to crowded to feel 
  safe..so I let her out into the rest of the house...with the dogs on leas! 
  hes...she was nervous..but stilll explored then let Lance off his 
  leash..and kept a CLOSE eye one him...and kept telling him to leave her 
  alone..he just wanted to make friends...then one day he took off running..I 
  was screaming at him..I thought he was chasing her!!! I thought..all my 
  work..down the drain..well turns out she was chasing himtail held 
  high...happy as could be..then he would turn around and chase her..they were 
  playing tag...and then she would hide up on the couch adn pounce himI was 
  extatic!!! So...for her I just took it slow...with very controlled 
  situations
  
  NEXT intro...Indy...he was kept in a LARGE cage until I could get him vet 
  checked, neutered and vaccinated. So I let Akira stay out loose...she 
  HATED him...she would sit there and HISS and HISS and HISS...he would 
  just "coo" to her...finally after I got him 100% vaccinated and tested I 
  just let him loose..he was VERY easy going..and sweet..he loved Akira..even 
  though she hated him...she would attack him, bat him on the head and HISS for 
  walking by..he would jsut softly "coo" to her and take it...he would 
  slowly move in and try to clean hernow they are best friends...so I didn't 
  do too much there...Indy took care of himself...he is what I now callmy 
  "peacemaker"
  
  NEXT intro...Mona...Mona was a work of art...she was down right viscious 
  to other animals..she was kept in a small part of the house away from the 
  others after numerous attacks..she even attacked Bowtie (dog) when he got into 
  her room by accident one day..and she ended up tearing me up REAL GOOD too for 
  trying to break it up..poor Bowtie was cornered under the computer table...and 
  was being such a good boy...just trying to get away from teh "blue 
  demon". I tried crating teh other animals and letting her come to 
  them..she would just ignore them...wanted nothing to do with them in their 
  crates...Then I tried crating her..which is how I had to do it...for a VERY 
  long time..she would hiss and attack the cage door and sides whenever any of 
  teh animals walked by...I kept Akira seperated from the rest of teh house 
  during this..as I felt it would be too stressful on her...Indy came to the 
  rescue again...he would just PLOP right down in front of her cage and 
  sit ther! e..while she hissed away and tried to attack him through the 
  cageAs she finally started to calm down2 weeks?...he would move 
  closer..and she would start againthen finally he got to sitting on top of 
  her cage...with ehr just sitting there looking up, growling VERY 
  quitely...she finally got to where she just looked at him..very 
  suspiciouslyI finally decided to take her out...BUT on a leashso I 
  could easily separate her if she

RE: I'm worried abt Levi

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Thanks
Cherie. I'm saving to look properly at later. kerry

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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Cherie A
GabbertSent: Thursday, January 13, 2005 3:03 PMTo:
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Levi
Sort of off the beaten path...but speaking of on the market
productscheck out this food website for animalshttp://www.geocities.com/petsfood/alert/

Hope it came through it is really interesting
Cherie
"MacKenzie, Kerry N."
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

That's terrible. Horrifying. I'll be sure
to avoid that. Thanks Lisa!

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[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2005 2:37
PMTo: felvtalk@vlists.netSubject: Re: I'm worried abt
Levi

In a message dated 1/13/2005 2:45:08 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I haven't heard of
Hartz..?.Kerry
Well that's a good thing then...they carry it in Walmart and many
pet stores...it is a name brand that makes MANY pet related products..all are
crap in my opinion, but there "medical line" of stuff..such as OTC fela drops,
wormers,a nd ear mite stuff...is known to be very harmful, if not deadly in
many cases..esspecially with cats...yet its still on the market...CRINGE

Lisaand
fur-bratsAkira--FeLV miracle baby www.geocities.com/anzajaguar
Indy-- Truley Indian Jones as a cat..FEARLESSLance- Mini wire haired
dashchundBow-Tie- 2yr old (sss he doesnt know he is 15 :) ) jack
russel crossBennie Bird-- Vampire cockatielAnza-- sexist Senegal
parrot..deffinantly a ladies bird :)This email and any
files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of
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RE: I'm worried abt Levi

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Thank 
you Tamara. Ticks are not good news clearly.. I'm glad it can at least be ID'd 
by a blood test.
It's 
great having these ideas...I don't feel so helpless. 
Thanks 
again guys!
Kerry

-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of tamara 
sticklerSent: Thursday, January 13, 2005 3:11 PMTo: 
felvtalk@vlists.netSubject: RE: I'm worried abt 
Levi
Although its unusal, I have friends in Baltimore City that have found deer 
ticks on their dogs and indoor cats. The little devils hitchike on deer, 
fox, rabbit, even mice  rats...they aren't exclusive to deer. They 
will feed on anything warm blooded. Yes, it is possible that you carried 
it home. Since I found the one on Q in February...that would mean it had 
been living in the home for several months before it found a host...(they 
normally hybrinate in winter). You could have picked it up from a park, or 
vets office...the things feed and then go into a type of hybernation where they 
can go months (I was once told a year...but don't buy that) without feeding 
again. They are teeny tiny but carry more disease than other ticks...LYMES 
being the most dreaded. Lymes disease makes the joints ache/pain, can 
cause lethargy, sometimes fever, loose bowels, in extreme cases organ  
brain damage. The symptoms are often mistake! n for (in 
animals...arthritis  old age) in humans - crones disease, 
arthritis lupus. It is identified by a specific blood test and 
the sooner caught the better.(Within 24 hrs of the bite a red ring usually 
forms around the area and this will fade within a few hours.) Its treated 
with intense antibiotics. NOT ALL DEER TICKS CARRY 
LYMES...so don't freak out...just be aware if you find one on one of 
your animals...or yourself, watch for symptoms. (My dog had it last year 
and after treating her...she seemed to age backwards 4 years! She went 
from being an OLD dog at age 11 approx. to like a 7 year old again.) 


Now most animals won't even notice a tick much less a deer tick on them 
(remember they are 1/2-1/3 the size of a flea)...Q however is a bit 
overlyfastidious and prides himself at being a bit of a drama king about 
these matters :)

If you feel around for it..you may not even feel the tick, certainly not 
before its gourged itself on blood, and even then, its so small it will be 
difficult to find. 

Again I hope its something this simple for you. Good 
luck."MacKenzie, Kerry N." 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  
  That's incredible Tamara. You must have been so gladwhen 
  youdiscovered what the problem was AND fixed it so 
  successfully!
  You 
  know, I'm pretty clueless about all this flea, mite, tick business. Quintapus' 
  behavior does indeed sound so similar to Levi's behavior. ButI'm not in 
  deer country (I'm in Chicago) and the cats are 
quarantined.
  Last 
  time one of them had a trip to the outside world and back was last November 
  (vet visit).
  What 
  are the chances of them having a tick, deer or otherwise?
  Could I have carried it in (if that is the cause)?
  Thanks!
  Kerry
  
  
  -Original Message-From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 
  tamara sticklerSent: Thursday, January 13, 2005 1:58 
  PMTo: felvtalk@vlists.netSubject: Re: I'm worried abt 
  Levi
  Kerry,
  
  I hope this is all it is:
  
  LastFeb.(yes in the mid of winter)Quintapus did the same 
  thing. Now mind you he's not felv+...but...His royal pampered majesty 
  began scratching his neck..at the base of the skull...then would look at me 
  with "that look" the 'something's not right' look. I checked and found 
  nothing. The dog didn't have fleas...she's on that top spot stuff, I 
  don't do the cats b/c they stay inside...but wasn't finding any fleas 
  either. After about a day or so, he would hide under the bed right after 
  scratching, or howl or moan after scratching.
  
  (Quint is mainly black so it took a while to find...) Eventually after 
  checking him for the umpteenth time, I found a small deer tick, about the size 
  of a ( * ) attached to the base of his skull. He KNEW it was there and 
  it just freaked him out! - ahh...mommy's little trooper...:)
  
  Getting it off was Oh so much Fun! I found if you cut a "V" shape 
  in a plastic 1/4 teaspoon, ...sit on the catyou can just slide the tick 
  into the narrow part of the V, hold the skin flat and lift the tick out. 
  (That way you aren't pinching him trying to grab it with tweezers.)...then 
  just bandage any open wounds the cat gave you and you're good to go!
  
  As I said, I HOPE this is all that's 
  wrong.
  
  Good luck.
  
  TCherie A Gabbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote:
  
I am sorry to hear the Kerry, I have never heard of anything like this 
before. I am hopong for the best though.
Cherie"MacKenzie, Kerry N." 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Thanks 
  Karolyn. I am going to have the housecall vet I've used come andcheck 
  Levi. I'm

Re: Re:Levi - re: Barbara's reply




now 5:45. back from the vet's. (3:30 appt) yeah, it 
was alot of fun. of course the little terrors all were very sweet THERE. at home 
trying to catch themKamikaze artists--(no guys you can't bust thru the glass 
windows, no don't go into the oven, no-jumping in the toilet is not a good 
thing..yes, everybody sniff the catnip and ooh look, turkey in the cat carriers. 
go IN. I know the housecleaners think I do dope what with all the catnip 
sprinkled all over the houseI understand that much spanish)
and of course the tiniest one went into the huge 
carrier I needed for the big bruiser
will know what's up with the bloodwork on Mr. Bean 
tomorrow hopefully to see if any good news. bad news is I have to 
catch3 again for dental work. after Bean's bloodwork the vet said 
using oh heck what was it? percoram? I have seen it mentioned on this list--for 
his inflamed mouth. all were good weight and good eyes. no mites! He also 
asked me to look into transfer factor. 
everybody hates mommy tonight, 
though
Barbara

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  tamara 
  stickler 
  To: felvtalk@vlists.net 
  Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2005 3:03 
  PM
  Subject: Re:Levi - re: Barbara's 
  reply
  
  Barbara you're flipped! Thanks for the 
  giggles!Barbara Lowe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
  mites? 
food allergies? air too dry? one of my postives gets hives (orwhatever 
those skin bumps are) every falll and this year I gave him vit B625 mcg. 
daily and no more bumps. I can't catch 3 of my cats to ever cuttheir 
nails or clean ears so mites is always a worry for me. read 
somethinggross about a vet who purposely infected himself with ear mites 
and reportedhow the scratching noise inside his ear was close to driving 
him insane.okay i got my gingko and unfortunately now remembering how 
much fun it is totry to catch my gang for the vet visit today. bringing 
four in if we can getthem. i always picture the other ones left behind 
in the house high fivingpaws and breathing huge sighs of relief it 
wasn't their turnthe dog just groans and sleeps thru it all unless 
they pole vault over hishead during the 
chase...barbara
  
  
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Re: Levi - re: Barbara's reply

Hi Barbara,
Pretty wild bunch you hang with! Maybe you should try smoking the catnip!
The inflammation med is Peroxicam, I use it for the gingivitis symptoms 
with Grace and Jazz, mine is compounded into a liquid (more like an oil) 
and fish flavored. It tastes like heavy salad oil to me.

What did I miss? Why is Mr. Bean having blood work done?
Nina
Barbara Lowe wrote:
now 5:45. back from the vet's. (3:30 appt) yeah, it was alot of fun. 
of course the little terrors all were very sweet THERE. at home trying 
to catch themKamikaze artists--(no guys you can't bust thru the 
glass windows, no don't go into the oven, no-jumping in the toilet is 
not a good thing..yes, everybody sniff the catnip and ooh look, turkey 
in the cat carriers. go IN. I know the housecleaners think I do dope 
what with all the catnip sprinkled all over the houseI understand 
that much spanish)
and of course the tiniest one went into the huge carrier I needed for 
the big bruiser
will know what's up with the bloodwork on Mr. Bean tomorrow hopefully 
to see if any good news. bad news is I have to catch 3 again for 
dental work. after Bean's bloodwork the vet said using oh heck what 
was it? percoram? I have seen it mentioned on this list--for his 
inflamed mouth. all were good weight and good eyes. no mites! He also 
asked me to look into transfer factor.
everybody hates mommy tonight, though
Barbara

- Original Message -
*From:* tamara stickler mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
*To:* felvtalk@vlists.net mailto:felvtalk@vlists.net
*Sent:* Thursday, January 13, 2005 3:03 PM
*Subject:* Re:Levi - re: Barbara's reply
Barbara you're flipped! Thanks for the giggles!
*/Barbara Lowe [EMAIL PROTECTED]
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/* wrote:
mites? food allergies? air too dry? one of my postives gets
hives (or
whatever those skin bumps are) every falll and this year I
gave him vit B6
25 mcg. daily and no more bumps. I can't catch 3 of my cats to
ever cut
their nails or clean ears so mites is always a worry for me.
read something
gross about a vet who purposely infected himself with ear
mites and reported
how the scratching noise inside his ear was close to driving
him insane.
okay i got my gingko and unfortunately now remembering how
much fun it is to
try to catch my gang for the vet visit today. bringing four in
if we can get
them. i always picture the other ones left behind in the house
high fiving
paws and breathing huge sighs of relief it wasn't their turn
the dog just groans and sleeps thru it all unless they pole
vault over his
head during the chase...
barbara


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Ringworm

Lisa,
I had a false alarm ringworm scare about two weeks ago.  I immediately 
thought of you.  When I started to do research about it, the treatment 
scared the heck out of me.  Lots of warnings about taking precautions 
with immune deficient animals.  Not to mention the fact that it's so 
tough to kill the little fungle creeps.  I started to really panic when 
I read it was necessary to sterilize the house.  What a joke!  I'd be 
proud of myself if I could just keep the place neat.
Nina

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a message dated 1/13/2005 3:04:30 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

think cats can get ring worm too, or it could be
OH yes they can..and what a PITA it is to get rid of...my whole house 
has had it for about 6-8 months I think now..I THINK it is gone 
finally but every now and then I THINK I feel scabby things on 2 of my 
cats where the original lesion wasSO I still may have it 
around  ANd actually cats are known as one of the more common 
sources for ringworm
 
Lisa
and fur-brats
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http://www.geocities.com/anzajaguar
Indy-- Truley Indian Jones as a cat..FEARLESS
Lance- Mini wire haired dashchund
Bow-Tie- 2yr old (sss he doesnt know he is 15 :) ) jack russel cross
Bennie Bird-- Vampire cockatiel
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Re: Levi - re: Barbara's reply

Mr. Bean tested positive a few years back. I just want to see if anything
going on-any difference what with all the vits and supplements he's been
getting for 3 yrs.
peroxicam. that's it. if I get the gel cap can I puncture it and just mix it
in his food as this is one cat that doesn't like the pill pocket for meds.
Barbara

Re: Simon-final rally? - Tamara

Tamara,
Thank you for sharing the story about your aunt and uncle.  That's amazing.
tamara stickler wrote:
Michelle,
 
It may not be the final rally, but often when people, at least, are 
taken off of chemo they feel so much better.  They can go on about 
their lives for days, weeks, sometimes months.  (When they took my 
terminally ill Aunt off chemo -pancreatic  liver cancer- she looked 
like death warmed over, they told her to go home and enjoy her garden 
and the summer.  She was expected to only have a month or so to live.  
Well her husband was diagnosed with terminal lung cancer a month later 
and Aunt Marge rallied and held out for 3 years -taking care of Uncle 
Jack and helping him to die -before passing herself - just a few 
months after her husband.)  Chemo is poision that kills the cancer in 
the system, but also attacks the healthy body as well.  Some patients 
have better quality of life (although much shorter) living with the 
cancer than the chemo.

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Re: Levi - re: Barbara's reply

I don't know what the stuff tastes like by itself (without the flavoring 
added).  I tried to add it to food, but my girls are really finicky and 
they just looked at me like what are trying to pull here?  I use the 
eye dropper and gently squeeze it into the sides of their mouths, giving 
them time to swallow.  They don't really fight it, just don't enjoy the 
process.  That's why I always taste anything I give them, I want to know 
what the guilt factor should be when I have to force it on them.

Nina
Barbara Lowe wrote:
Mr. Bean tested positive a few years back. I just want to see if anything
going on-any difference what with all the vits and supplements he's been
getting for 3 yrs.
peroxicam. that's it. if I get the gel cap can I puncture it and just mix it
in his food as this is one cat that doesn't like the pill pocket for meds.
Barbara

Claudia needs all the healing vibes she can get!

2005-01-13 Thread Jen Meyer

Title: Message



Hi 
All!

I don't know if 
ya'll remember me mentioning my friend's cat, Claudia, a few months back...she 
was diagnosed with diabetes (she's FeLV-)...Anyway, she was doing well and then 
crashed over the weekend...she's at the vet's right now, apparently she had a 
bladder infection, her RBC was down to 18, WBC was up and she isn't eating or 
drinking on her own. She's got a feeding tube now and they're feeding her 
every few hours. The vet is having a hard time regulating her glucose at 
the moment. Nan is having a rough time of it but the good news is that she 
did eat on her own this morning...I certainly believe in the power of the 
healing vibes of this group...If I could ask anyone who reads this to keep 
Claudia in your thoughts, I would be so appreciative!!

Thank 
you!

Jen


But if you tame me, then we shallneed 
each other.
To me, you will be unique in all the 
world...
To you, I shall be unique in all the 
world...
You become responsible, forever, for what 
you have tamed...
-Antoine de Saint Exupery

Re: Claudia needs all the healing vibes she can get!

Hi Jen,
How old is Claudia?  What does she look like?  It helps me to 
concentrate on them when I fix an image in my mind.  She's in my 
prayers, let us know how she and her Mom are doing.
Nina

Jen Meyer wrote:
Hi All!
 
I don't know if ya'll remember me mentioning my friend's cat, Claudia, 
a few months back...she was diagnosed with diabetes (she's 
FeLV-)...Anyway, she was doing well and then crashed over the 
weekend...she's at the vet's right now, apparently she had a bladder 
infection, her RBC was down to 18, WBC was up and she isn't eating or 
drinking on her own.  She's got a feeding tube now and they're feeding 
her every few hours.  The vet is having a hard time regulating her 
glucose at the moment.  Nan is having a rough time of it but the good 
news is that she did eat on her own this morning...I certainly believe 
in the power of the healing vibes of this group...If I could ask 
anyone who reads this to keep Claudia in your thoughts, I would be so 
appreciative!!
 
Thank you!
 
Jen
 
 
But if you tame me, then we shall need each other.
To me, you will be unique in all the world...
To you, I shall be unique in all the world...
You become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed...
-Antoine de Saint Exupery

Re: Claudia needs all the healing vibes she can get!

2005-01-13 Thread Terri Brown

Title: Message




will do

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  - Original Message - 
  From: Jen 
  Meyer 
  To: felvtalk@vlists.net 
  Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2005 6:30 
  PM
  Subject: Claudia needs all the healing 
  vibes she can get!
  
  Hi 
  All!
  
  I don't know if 
  ya'll remember me mentioning my friend's cat, Claudia, a few months back...she 
  was diagnosed with diabetes (she's FeLV-)...Anyway, she was doing well and 
  then crashed over the weekend...she's at the vet's right now, apparently she 
  had a bladder infection, her RBC was down to 18, WBC was up and she isn't 
  eating or drinking on her own. She's got a feeding tube now and they're 
  feeding her every few hours. The vet is having a hard time regulating 
  her glucose at the moment. Nan is having a rough time of it but the good 
  news is that she did eat on her own this morning...I certainly believe in the 
  power of the healing vibes of this group...If I could ask anyone who reads 
  this to keep Claudia in your thoughts, I would be so 
  appreciative!!
  
  Thank 
  you!
  
  Jen
  
  
  But if you tame me, then we 
  shallneed each other.
  To me, you will be unique in all the 
  world...
  To you, I shall be unique in all the 
  world...
  You become responsible, forever, for what 
  you have tamed...
  -Antoine de Saint Exupery

PCR TEST--Is it accurate?

Is this test genuinely reliable?
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Thank you Lisa and Barb, I'll ask my internist about the PCR.  I'm not sure 
I'll test Timmy at this point, but it's nice to know I have an option 
besides the bone marrow biopsy.
Nina

Barb Moermond wrote:
polymerase chain reaction - it's a way to do a DNA test with a small 
sample - it replicates the DNA of the sample so they can read it better

*/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/* wrote:
In a message dated 1/12/2005 5:04:21 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Thanks Lisa.  What does PCR stand for?  Is that the bone
marrow test?
Nina
no its not the bone marrow test...that is actually a very invasive
painful procedure...PCR  ...I dont remember what it stands
for..but they use a blood sample like they do for teh IFA and the
ELISA test...HOWEVER it must be sent to the lab differently..so
make sure your vet knows before they draw blood for it what test
you want...it looks at the genetic level of the cat..at the
genetic level any change anywhere in teh body can be seenand
the FeLV virus is a retrovirus..which means it alters teh cats
genetic code
 Lisa
and fur-brats
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Indy-- Truley Indian Jones as a cat..FEARLESS
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Bennie Bird-- Vampire cockatiel
Anza-- sexist Senegal parrot..deffinantly a ladies bird :)

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Re: Claudia needs all the healing vibes she can get!

Hey Jen - will certainly do that!  Sending healing vibes for Claudia -
Gloria
At 06:20 PM 1/13/2005, you wrote:
will do
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furangels: RuthieGirl, Samantha, Arielle, Gareth and Alec =^..^=

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- Original Message -
From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Jen Meyer
To: mailto:felvtalk@vlists.netfelvtalk@vlists.net
Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2005 6:30 PM
Subject: Claudia needs all the healing vibes she can get!

Hi All!
I don't know if ya'll remember me mentioning my friend's cat, Claudia, a 
few months back...she was diagnosed with diabetes (she's FeLV-)...Anyway, 
she was doing well and then crashed over the weekend...she's at the vet's 
right now, apparently she had a bladder infection, her RBC was down to 18, 
WBC was up and she isn't eating or drinking on her own.  She's got a 
feeding tube now and they're feeding her every few hours.  The vet is 
having a hard time regulating her glucose at the moment.  Nan is having a 
rough time of it but the good news is that she did eat on her own this 
morning...I certainly believe in the power of the healing vibes of this 
group...If I could ask anyone who reads this to keep Claudia in your 
thoughts, I would be so appreciative!!

Thank you!
Jen
But if you tame me, then we shall need each other.
To me, you will be unique in all the world...
To you, I shall be unique in all the world...
You become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed...
-Antoine de Saint Exupery

Re: Simon-final rally?

Thank you for that story. It may be part of what has been going on for Simon.
Michelle

Simon got chemo today

I took Simon to the oncologist and the news was mixed. On the very good side, 
his bilirubin was down from over 9 to only 2.3!  This is still almost three 
times normal, but quite a drop, and enough of a drop to safely give him the 
full dose of CCNU.  Because it seems likely that the heavy doses of steroids he 
got last weekend (and your prayers!) killed off enough lymphoma to bring the 
bilirubin down and make him feel good (more on that later), he also got a dex 
shot with the CCNU.

The bad news is that his PCV was down to 11 on the machine reading and 9 on 
the hand reading (the latter of which is supposed to be more accurate).  The 
oncologist suggesting transfusing him again, but I decided not to because it 
only raised his PCV by one or two points in the past and because, probably due 
to 
the steroids (and your prayers!), he is feeling much better than when he 
needed transfusions in the past. And I had promised him I would not leave him 
there.  The oncologist agreed this was fine, that you transfuse the patient and 
not the number, and that as long as he is bright we can try to ride it out or I 
can bring him in for a transfusion later.  We discussed Epogen again and 
decided not to put him on it. The reason is this:  Simon's anemia is 
regenerative-- 
he is still making red blood cells-- but the problem is that the lymphoma has 
taken over so much of his bone marrow that he has little bone marrow left to 
make the red blood cells with and so makes many fewer.  When the lymphoma is 
killed off, his bone marrow bounced back. When he responded to chemo 
previously, he went from a PCV of 11 to one of 33 in two weeks.  If we can kill 
enough 
lymphoma, with the chemo and/or steroids, his bone marrow should bounce back 
again on its own. If we can not kill enough lymphoma, the Epogen will not save 
him because the lymphoma will take over all of the bone marrow.  And he seems 
so much better on fewer medicines that I really do not want to keep adding 
things to his little body that do not have a high probability of helping him 
(granted, the CCNU does not have a high probability of helping, but if it does 
it 
will take care of the root problem which the Epogen would not).

The oncologist was rather surprised to be treating Simon again. When I asked 
him to give me a probability of the chances that CCNU will help Simon, he said 
all bets are off with Simon. I'm not going to try to predict anything with 
him anymore.

Simon is very far from out of the woods, and his PCV is obviously a big 
worry.  But I am going to try to treat him like a love bug, rather than a 
number, 
and just be glad he is feeling so good and happy while he is.

Thanks for all your prayers (and please keep them coming!),
Michelle

P.S. We took a bunch of pictures yesterday and today of simon looking really 
silly and cute, laying on his back for belly rubs and looking and Buddhas, and 
wanted to share them with you because you all have been so involved with his 
story.  However, I tried a way of posting them for free on the web but it did 
not work (photobucket). If anyone knows of a different way I can do that and 
send you the link, I will.

RE: Simon got chemo today

2005-01-13 Thread Tracy Weese

Way to go, Simon!  I'm pulling for him and you, Michelle.

Tracy Weese
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RE: Simon got chemo today

I am so glad that Simon is hanging in there.  I am going to pray very, very 
hard for his recovery.

Snapfish.com is a good place to post pictures. That is where I posted mine.
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I took Simon to the oncologist and the news was mixed. On the very good 
side,
his bilirubin was down from over 9 to only 2.3!  This is still almost three
times normal, but quite a drop, and enough of a drop to safely give him the
full dose of CCNU.  Because it seems likely that the heavy doses of 
steroids he
got last weekend (and your prayers!) killed off enough lymphoma to bring 
the
bilirubin down and make him feel good (more on that later), he also got a 
dex
shot with the CCNU.

The bad news is that his PCV was down to 11 on the machine reading and 9 on
the hand reading (the latter of which is supposed to be more accurate).  
The
oncologist suggesting transfusing him again, but I decided not to because 
it
only raised his PCV by one or two points in the past and because, probably 
due to
the steroids (and your prayers!), he is feeling much better than when he
needed transfusions in the past. And I had promised him I would not leave 
him
there.  The oncologist agreed this was fine, that you transfuse the patient 
and
not the number, and that as long as he is bright we can try to ride it out 
or I
can bring him in for a transfusion later.  We discussed Epogen again and
decided not to put him on it. The reason is this:  Simon's anemia is 
regenerative--
he is still making red blood cells-- but the problem is that the lymphoma 
has
taken over so much of his bone marrow that he has little bone marrow left 
to
make the red blood cells with and so makes many fewer.  When the lymphoma 
is
killed off, his bone marrow bounced back. When he responded to chemo
previously, he went from a PCV of 11 to one of 33 in two weeks.  If we can 
kill enough
lymphoma, with the chemo and/or steroids, his bone marrow should bounce 
back
again on its own. If we can not kill enough lymphoma, the Epogen will not 
save
him because the lymphoma will take over all of the bone marrow.  And he 
seems
so much better on fewer medicines that I really do not want to keep adding
things to his little body that do not have a high probability of helping 
him
(granted, the CCNU does not have a high probability of helping, but if it 
does it
will take care of the root problem which the Epogen would not).

The oncologist was rather surprised to be treating Simon again. When I 
asked
him to give me a probability of the chances that CCNU will help Simon, he 
said
all bets are off with Simon. I'm not going to try to predict anything with
him anymore.

Simon is very far from out of the woods, and his PCV is obviously a big
worry.  But I am going to try to treat him like a love bug, rather than a 
number,
and just be glad he is feeling so good and happy while he is.

Thanks for all your prayers (and please keep them coming!),
Michelle
P.S. We took a bunch of pictures yesterday and today of simon looking 
really
silly and cute, laying on his back for belly rubs and looking and Buddhas, 
and
wanted to share them with you because you all have been so involved with 
his
story.  However, I tried a way of posting them for free on the web but it 
did
not work (photobucket). If anyone knows of a different way I can do that 
and
send you the link, I will.

Re: Claudia needs all the healing vibes she can get!

Title: Message



Oh gosh, poor Claudia. here's hoping the morning 
brings great news of full recovery!
Barbara

Re: Claudia needs all the healing vibes she can get!

Good energy for Claudia! I am a big believer in the power of this these days.
Michelle

Re: Claudia needs all the healing vibes she can get!

Jen,
She's got my vibes, going for herI will keep her in my thoughts.
CherieJen Meyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Hi All!

I don't know if ya'll remember me mentioning my friend's cat, Claudia, a few months back...she was diagnosed with diabetes (she's FeLV-)...Anyway, she was doing well and then crashed over the weekend...she's at the vet's right now, apparently she had a bladder infection, her RBC was down to 18, WBC was up and she isn't eating or drinking on her own. She's got a feeding tube now and they're feeding her every few hours. The vet is having a hard time regulating her glucose at the moment. Nan is having a rough time of it but the good news is that she did eat on her own this morning...I certainly believe in the power of the healing vibes of this group...If I could ask anyone who reads this to keep Claudia in your thoughts, I would be so appreciative!!

Thank you!

Jen


But if you tame me, then we shallneed each other.
To me, you will be unique in all the world...
To you, I shall be unique in all the world...
You become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed...
-Antoine de Saint Exupery

Re: Levi - re: Barbara's reply

thanks for the info. i'll mix it in fish flavored canned food. 
barbara

Re: Simon got chemo today

Michelle,
Just stick with him..I know you will, Why do you not just post them to a message I would love to see him...
Cherie[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I took Simon to the oncologist and the news was mixed. On the very good side, his bilirubin was down from over 9 to only 2.3! This is still almost three times normal, but quite a drop, and enough of a drop to safely give him the full dose of CCNU. Because it seems likely that the heavy doses of steroids he got last weekend (and your prayers!) killed off enough lymphoma to bring the bilirubin down and make him feel good (more on that later), he also got a dex shot with the CCNU.The bad news is that his PCV was down to 11 on the machine reading and 9 on the hand reading (the latter of which is supposed to be more accurate). The oncologist suggesting transfusing him again, but I decided not to because it only raised his PCV by one or two points in the past and because, probably due to the steroids (and your prayers!), he is feeling!
much
better than when he needed transfusions in the past. And I had promised him I would not leave him there. The oncologist agreed this was fine, that you transfuse the patient and not the number, and that as long as he is bright we can try to ride it out or I can bring him in for a transfusion later. We discussed Epogen again and decided not to put him on it. The reason is this: Simon's anemia is regenerative-- he is still making red blood cells-- but the problem is that the lymphoma has taken over so much of his bone marrow that he has little bone marrow left to make the red blood cells with and so makes many fewer. When the lymphoma is killed off, his bone marrow bounced back. When he responded to chemo previously, he went from a PCV of 11 to one of 33 in two weeks. If we can kill enough lymphoma, with the chemo and/or steroids, his bone marrow should bounce back again on its own. If we can not kill enough lymphoma, the Epogen !
will not
save him because the lymphoma will take over all of the bone marrow. And he seems so much better on fewer medicines that I really do not want to keep adding things to his little body that do not have a high probability of helping him (granted, the CCNU does not have a high probability of helping, but if it does it will take care of the root problem which the Epogen would not).The oncologist was rather surprised to be treating Simon again. When I asked him to give me a probability of the chances that CCNU will help Simon, he said "all bets are off with Simon. I'm not going to try to predict anything with him anymore."Simon is very far from out of the woods, and his PCV is obviously a big worry. But I am going to try to treat him like a love bug, rather than a number, and just be glad he is feeling so good and happy while he is.Thanks for all your prayers (and please keep them coming!),MichelleP.S. We!
took a
bunch of pictures yesterday and today of simon looking really silly and cute, laying on his back for belly rubs and looking and Buddhas, and wanted to share them with you because you all have been so involved with his story. However, I tried a way of posting them for free on the web but it did not work (photobucket). If anyone knows of a different way I can do that and send you the link, I will.

Re: Simon got chemo today

good news and miracles do happen. Go Simon!
and yes, enjoy him. (so much easier said than done sometimes when this
crappy virus takes over our babies and our fears overtake us)
barbara
and her kitties who
still hate their mommy after today's vet appt.

Re: FeLV, its subgroups and other thoughts

2005-01-13 Thread Skf95111

Faye had written she would be afraid to bring another cat into the house for 
fear of introducing another strain of the virus...but only one type of FeLV 
virus strain  (perhaps more appropriately termed a subgroup) is passed 
from cat to cat, and that subgroup is not the one responsible for the more 
devastating manifestations of the disease (lymphomas or other cancers and 
nonregenerative anemia).  A cat, then, becomes infected with this A subgroup 
via 
contact with a cat who is in stage 5-6 of the infectious process and actively 
shedding the virus.  The A subgroup significantly depresses the immune system 
but 
is not responsible for the major disease symptoms.  It is through mutation and 
recombination with the cat's DNA that infection proceeds to A + B, A + C or A 
- B+C states.  The B subgroup is the one associated with the various types of 
lyphoma or other cancerous growths, while the C subgroup is the one associated 
with the severe to nonregenerative anemia/leukemia. There can be mutation 
and/or recombination to include both B and C subgroups.  It is possible to test 
for these various subgroups, but such testing is only available in research 
settings and not considered to be of interest to the general public.

Personally, I would find it useful to know what I was dealing with before a 
cat actually crashes with the obvious symptoms of B or C group infection, but 
until the mechanism for why the mutation/recombination occurs is understood and 
so, perhaps, there would be a way to head off or forestall such a devastating 
development, the knowing would be purely academic and any such testing would 
be expensive and not generally available.

What we CAN learn from the testing currently available to us (ELISA, IFA and 
PCR) is whether or not a cat has been exposed to FeLV and has the virus 
replicating in it system...the ELISA can tell us that about the earliest stages 
of 
infection (1-3) as well as later stages, and a positive IFA can tell us that 
the infection has already reached a later stage of infection (4-6).  So if we 
test with an ELISA and get a positive but an IFA to confirm is negative, then 
we 
know there is still hope the cat may be able to clear the virus.  If we then 
aggressively support the immune system, this may help even the odds in the 
cat's favor.  If a positive ELISA is confirmed with a positive IFA, there is 
the 
possibility the cat may be in early stage 4 of infection and a slim chance of 
clearing the virus still exists, but in all liklihood the cat will remain 
persistently viremic.  What neither of those tests can tell us is if the 
infection 
is latent (dormant) and may resurface at a later point in time.  Only a bone 
marrow reactivation test (PCR??...don't know if these are one and the same) 
can indicate a latent infection. 

So, there is really no need to be paranoid that bringing in more cats would 
therefore introduce other subgroups of virus to a population...whether or not 
one of the more devastating subgroups of the virus develops is dependent on 
each individual cat's immune response.  However, viruses such as FIP, FIV and 
FeLV are found to be more prevalent in multi-cat situations...when you have 
more 
cats, especially more infected cats, the concept of viral load becomes a 
factor.  I have yet to find an explanation as to whether or not having many 
cats 
already infected with the FeLV virus in a particular population provides a 
greater impetus for viral mutation.  If they are already infected, they can't 
really become more infected, so whether or not continued exposure to a virus 
which has already infected a cat will further the infectious process within 
that 
cat is not clear.  Certainly having a large number of positive cats around un 
unprotected, negative, cat would increase its chance of becoming infected.

Currently, our only real hope seems to be keeping an FeLV+ cat's life as free 
of stresses to its immune system as possible, feeding it the healthiest, most 
natural diet we can provide and giving supplements to support the immune 
system.  There are many such supplements available, including the VO (if one 
can 
get and afford it), human interferon-alpha, Transfer Factor, and a number of 
herbal agents and other antioxidants such as Vitamin C and CoQ10, etc.  I would 
like to find more evidence through research as to how these various 
immunosupportive agents serve to boost immune function and which may be 
complementary, 
or if using too many different supplements may be counterproductive.  It IS 
possible to OVERstimulate the immune system, and whether or not this also 
applies 
to a depressed immune system is not yet clear to me.

I posted a message some time ago about a book I had recently come across, The 
Nature of Animal Healing, by a Dr. Martin Goldstein, a holistic vet who has a 
practice in New York, and has been quite successful in dealing with difficult 
cases of cancer on which other vets had given up and told

Re: FeLV, its subgroups and other thoughts

Thanks, Sally - I was wondering about more information on stage 5-6 of the 
infectious process  - ?

Thanks -
Gloria
At 08:49 PM 1/13/2005, you wrote:
Faye had written she would be afraid to bring another cat into the house for
fear of introducing another strain of the virus...but only one type of FeLV
virus strain  (perhaps more appropriately termed a subgroup) is passed
from cat to cat, and that subgroup is not the one responsible for the more
devastating manifestations of the disease (lymphomas or other cancers and
nonregenerative anemia).  A cat, then, becomes infected with this A 
subgroup via
contact with a cat who is in stage 5-6 of the infectious process and actively
shedding the virus.  The A subgroup significantly depresses the immune 
system but
is not responsible for the major disease symptoms.  It is through mutation 
and
recombination with the cat's DNA that infection proceeds to A + B, A + C or A
- B+C states.  The B subgroup is the one associated with the various types of
lyphoma or other cancerous growths, while the C subgroup is the one 
associated
with the severe to nonregenerative anemia/leukemia. There can be mutation
and/or recombination to include both B and C subgroups.  It is possible to 
test
for these various subgroups, but such testing is only available in research
settings and not considered to be of interest to the general public.

Personally, I would find it useful to know what I was dealing with before a
cat actually crashes with the obvious symptoms of B or C group infection, but
until the mechanism for why the mutation/recombination occurs is 
understood and
so, perhaps, there would be a way to head off or forestall such a devastating
development, the knowing would be purely academic and any such testing would
be expensive and not generally available.

What we CAN learn from the testing currently available to us (ELISA, IFA and
PCR) is whether or not a cat has been exposed to FeLV and has the virus
replicating in it system...the ELISA can tell us that about the earliest 
stages of
infection (1-3) as well as later stages, and a positive IFA can tell us that
the infection has already reached a later stage of infection (4-6).  So if we
test with an ELISA and get a positive but an IFA to confirm is negative, 
then we
know there is still hope the cat may be able to clear the virus.  If we then
aggressively support the immune system, this may help even the odds in the
cat's favor.  If a positive ELISA is confirmed with a positive IFA, there 
is the
possibility the cat may be in early stage 4 of infection and a slim chance of
clearing the virus still exists, but in all liklihood the cat will remain
persistently viremic.  What neither of those tests can tell us is if the 
infection
is latent (dormant) and may resurface at a later point in time.  Only a bone
marrow reactivation test (PCR??...don't know if these are one and the same)
can indicate a latent infection.

So, there is really no need to be paranoid that bringing in more cats would
therefore introduce other subgroups of virus to a population...whether or not
one of the more devastating subgroups of the virus develops is dependent on
each individual cat's immune response.  However, viruses such as FIP, FIV and
FeLV are found to be more prevalent in multi-cat situations...when you 
have more
cats, especially more infected cats, the concept of viral load becomes a
factor.  I have yet to find an explanation as to whether or not having 
many cats
already infected with the FeLV virus in a particular population provides a
greater impetus for viral mutation.  If they are already infected, they can't
really become more infected, so whether or not continued exposure to a 
virus
which has already infected a cat will further the infectious process 
within that
cat is not clear.  Certainly having a large number of positive cats around un
unprotected, negative, cat would increase its chance of becoming infected.

Currently, our only real hope seems to be keeping an FeLV+ cat's life as free
of stresses to its immune system as possible, feeding it the healthiest, most
natural diet we can provide and giving supplements to support the immune
system.  There are many such supplements available, including the VO (if 
one can
get and afford it), human interferon-alpha, Transfer Factor, and a number of
herbal agents and other antioxidants such as Vitamin C and CoQ10, etc.  I 
would
like to find more evidence through research as to how these various
immunosupportive agents serve to boost immune function and which may be 
complementary,
or if using too many different supplements may be counterproductive.  It IS
possible to OVERstimulate the immune system, and whether or not this also 
applies
to a depressed immune system is not yet clear to me.

I posted a message some time ago about a book I had recently come across, The
Nature of Animal Healing, by a Dr. Martin Goldstein, a holistic vet who has a
practice in New York, and has been quite

Re: Simon got chemo today

2005-01-13 Thread Belinda Sauro

  Hi Michelle,
So glad Simon is continuing to do so well.  I have a online photo
album you can post pictures to, just register and create an album.  You
can find it here:

http://albums.bemikittties.com

--
 Belinda
Happiness is being owned by cats ...

Be-Mi-Kitties ...
http://www.bemikitties.com

Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens
http://adopt.bemikitties.com

FeLV Candle Light Service
http://www.bemikitties.com/cls

Vote For Us
http://www.bemikitties.com/toplist/cgi-bin/topsites.cgi?id=1

---

Web Design Porfolio
http://www.bemikitties.com/bmksamples.htm#portfolio

Re: Simon got chemo today

2005-01-13 Thread Belinda Sauro

   Sorry had one too many T's in the address, here is the correct
address for the Photo Album:

http://albums.bemikitties.com

--
 Belinda
Happiness is being owned by cats ...

Be-Mi-Kitties ...
http://www.bemikitties.com

Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens
http://adopt.bemikitties.com

FeLV Candle Light Service
http://www.bemikitties.com/cls

Vote For Us
http://www.bemikitties.com/toplist/cgi-bin/topsites.cgi?id=1

---

Web Design Porfolio
http://www.bemikitties.com/bmksamples.htm#portfolio

Re: ringworm






In a message dated 1/13/2005 3:59:07 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  Thanks Lisa.
  
  Is there any way to tell if it's ringworm 
  without shaving? 
  
Oh yesthey can look under a "woods lamp" or a black light lamp 
reallyand MOST ringworm will florecess a green color...but not all...AND 
they can do a culture..they take a few hairs from around the spot and they let 
it grow..this usually take 10 days thoughThe only reason they shaved my 
kitties is b/c they all had obvious hairloss and lesions on themsome cats 
can have it without even showing any signs of it...

Lisaand 
fur-bratsAkira--FeLV miracle baby www.geocities.com/anzajaguar 
Indy-- Truley Indian Jones as a cat..FEARLESSLance- Mini wire haired 
dashchundBow-Tie- 2yr old (sss he doesnt know he is 15 :) ) jack russel 
crossBennie Bird-- Vampire cockatielAnza-- sexist Senegal 
parrot..deffinantly a ladies bird :)

Re: socialization






In a message dated 1/13/2005 4:16:10 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  Lisa, I got a bit sidetracked with my worries re Levi---belatedly want 
  to thank you SO much for taking the time and effort to share your 
  experiences. I'm with you there re teaching via experience. It has to be 
  spelled out to me. 
  Kerry
YoYour welcome...

Lisaand 
fur-bratsAkira--FeLV miracle baby www.geocities.com/anzajaguar 
Indy-- Truley Indian Jones as a cat..FEARLESSLance- Mini wire haired 
dashchundBow-Tie- 2yr old (sss he doesnt know he is 15 :) ) jack russel 
crossBennie Bird-- Vampire cockatielAnza-- sexist Senegal 
parrot..deffinantly a ladies bird :)

Re: Levi - re: Barbara's reply






In a message dated 1/13/2005 6:03:23 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Pretty 
  wild bunch you hang with! Maybe you should try smoking the 
  catnip!
NOOO I dont recommend that...it makes you VERY queesy.. 

Lisaand 
fur-bratsAkira--FeLV miracle baby www.geocities.com/anzajaguar 
Indy-- Truley Indian Jones as a cat..FEARLESSLance- Mini wire haired 
dashchundBow-Tie- 2yr old (sss he doesnt know he is 15 :) ) jack russel 
crossBennie Bird-- Vampire cockatielAnza-- sexist Senegal 
parrot..deffinantly a ladies bird :)

Re: Ringworm






In a message dated 1/13/2005 6:09:51 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I 
  started to really panic when I read it was necessary to sterilize the 
  house. What a joke! I'd be proud of myself if I could just 
  keep the place neat.Nina
Let me tell you the story my vet told me when I was going through 
this..her and I are VERY close...

Her PERSIAN got ringworm back when she was a vet student. This cat 
gave the ringworm to 7 of her friends and 3 of their parents!!! Talk about 
emmbarrassinganyways...NOTHING would get rid of this stuff..she tried every 
medical outlet she could, then she tried all the "old" remedies...she even gave 
teh poor cat a bleach bathand yes ..I was recommended that as well...the cat 
survived teh bath..but still had ringwormfinally She had to go to the people 
Dr b/c she had it...BUT also b/c the ONE medicine she had not tried yet was VERY 
expensive...and only by her getting her insurance to pay for it could she get 
it...So she went...got the "good stuff" and gave it to her cat...instead of 
taking it herselfTHAT finally got rid of it...along with bleaching her house 
almost every day for several weeksand THAT is how you stearlize the 
house...you dilute bleach...WAY down...and take a spray bottle..and SPRAY 
EVERYTHING.

Lisaand 
fur-bratsAkira--FeLV miracle baby www.geocities.com/anzajaguar 
Indy-- Truley Indian Jones as a cat..FEARLESSLance- Mini wire haired 
dashchundBow-Tie- 2yr old (sss he doesnt know he is 15 :) ) jack russel 
crossBennie Bird-- Vampire cockatielAnza-- sexist Senegal 
parrot..deffinantly a ladies bird :)

Re: PCR TEST--Is it accurate?






In a message dated 1/13/2005 7:30:43 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Is this 
  test genuinely reliable?
Yes but also highly uncommon..they use it far more often in research 
labs..than they do for the public..mainly b/c of its cost..it is about 60$ for 
just that one test

Lisaand 
fur-bratsAkira--FeLV miracle baby www.geocities.com/anzajaguar 
Indy-- Truley Indian Jones as a cat..FEARLESSLance- Mini wire haired 
dashchundBow-Tie- 2yr old (sss he doesnt know he is 15 :) ) jack russel 
crossBennie Bird-- Vampire cockatielAnza-- sexist Senegal 
parrot..deffinantly a ladies bird :)

RE: Claudia needs all the healing vibes she can get!

2005-01-13 Thread Sue Feldbusch

Claudia is in my thoughts.  Being a diabetic myself, I know how tough it can 
be, and to add felv+ into the picture to the poor cat.  Claudia needs our 
thoughts/prayers.

From: Jen Meyer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: felvtalk@vlists.net
To: felvtalk@vlists.net
Subject: Claudia needs all the healing vibes she can get!
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 17:30:47 -0600
Hi All!
I don't know if ya'll remember me mentioning my friend's cat, Claudia, a
few months back...she was diagnosed with diabetes (she's
FeLV-)...Anyway, she was doing well and then crashed over the
weekend...she's at the vet's right now, apparently she had a bladder
infection, her RBC was down to 18, WBC was up and she isn't eating or
drinking on her own.  She's got a feeding tube now and they're feeding
her every few hours.  The vet is having a hard time regulating her
glucose at the moment.  Nan is having a rough time of it but the good
news is that she did eat on her own this morning...I certainly believe
in the power of the healing vibes of this group...If I could ask anyone
who reads this to keep Claudia in your thoughts, I would be so
appreciative!!
Thank you!
Jen
But if you tame me, then we shall need each other.
To me, you will be unique in all the world...
To you, I shall be unique in all the world...
You become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed...
-Antoine de Saint Exupery

Re: Ringworm

My grandmother taught us to use Gentian Violet on ringworm.  Works GREAT 
but my is is messy - lots of purple.

Gloria
At 10:16 PM 1/13/2005, you wrote:
In a message dated 1/13/2005 6:09:51 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I started to really panic when
I read it was necessary to sterilize the house.  What a joke!  I'd be
proud of myself if I could just keep the place neat.
Nina

Let me tell you the story my vet told me when I was going through 
this..her and I are VERY close...

Her PERSIAN got ringworm back when she was a vet student.  This cat gave 
the ringworm to 7 of her friends and 3 of their parents!!! Talk about 
emmbarrassinganyways...NOTHING would get rid of this stuff..she tried 
every medical outlet she could, then she tried all the old 
remedies...she even gave teh poor cat a bleach bathand yes ..I was 
recommended that as well...the cat survived teh bath..but still had 
ringwormfinally She had to go to the people Dr b/c she had it...BUT 
also b/c the ONE medicine she had not tried yet was VERY expensive...and 
only by her getting her insurance to pay for it could she get it...So she 
went...got the good stuff and gave it to her cat...instead of taking it 
herselfTHAT finally got rid of it...along with bleaching her house 
almost every day for several weeksand THAT is how you stearlize the 
house...you dilute bleach...WAY down...and take a spray bottle..and SPRAY 
EVERYTHING.

Lisa
and fur-brats
Akira--FeLV miracle baby 
http://www.geocities.com/anzajaguarwww.geocities.com/anzajaguar
Indy-- Truley Indian Jones as a cat..FEARLESS
Lance- Mini wire haired dashchund
Bow-Tie- 2yr old (sss he doesnt know he is 15 :) ) jack russel cross
Bennie Bird-- Vampire cockatiel
Anza-- sexist Senegal parrot..deffinantly a ladies bird :)

Re: FeLV, its subgroups and other thoughts

Thank you Sally, very informative and I will look into the books you mentioned. Next time my vet is out I will also take to her about the ELISA, thanks again Sally.
Cherie[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Faye had written she would be afraid to bring another cat into the house for fear of introducing another "strain" of the virus...but only one type of FeLV virus "strain" (perhaps more appropriately termed a "subgroup") is passed from cat to cat, and that subgroup is not the one responsible for the more devastating manifestations of the disease (lymphomas or other cancers and nonregenerative anemia). A cat, then, becomes infected with this "A" subgroup via contact with a cat who is in stage 5-6 of the infectious process and actively shedding the virus. The A subgroup significantly depresses the immune system but is not responsible for the major disease symptoms. It is through mutation and recombination with the cat's DNA that infection proceeds to A + B, A + C or A - B+C states. The B subgroup is the one associated with the various types!
 of
 lyphoma or other cancerous growths, while the C subgroup is the one associated with the severe to nonregenerative anemia/leukemia. There can be mutation and/or recombination to include both B and C subgroups. It is possible to test for these various subgroups, but such testing is only available in research settings and not considered to be of interest to the general public.Personally, I would find it useful to know what I was dealing with before a cat actually crashes with the obvious symptoms of B or C group infection, but until the mechanism for why the mutation/recombination occurs is understood and so, perhaps, there would be a way to head off or forestall such a devastating development, the knowing would be purely academic and any such testing would be expensive and not generally available.What we CAN learn from the testing currently available to us (ELISA, IFA and PCR) is whether or not a cat has been exposed!
 to FeLV
 and has the virus replicating in it system...the ELISA can tell us that about the earliest stages of infection (1-3) as well as later stages, and a positive IFA can tell us that the infection has already reached a later stage of infection (4-6). So if we test with an ELISA and get a positive but an IFA to confirm is negative, then we know there is still hope the cat may be able to clear the virus. If we then aggressively support the immune system, this may help even the odds in the cat's favor. If a positive ELISA is confirmed with a positive IFA, there is the possibility the cat may be in early stage 4 of infection and a slim chance of clearing the virus still exists, but in all liklihood the cat will remain persistently viremic. What neither of those tests can tell us is if the infection is latent (dormant) and may resurface at a later point in time. Only a bone marrow reactivation test (PCR??...don't know if these are one a!
nd the
 same) can indicate a latent infection. So, there is really no need to be paranoid that bringing in more cats would therefore introduce other subgroups of virus to a population...whether or not one of the more devastating subgroups of the virus develops is dependent on each individual cat's immune response. However, viruses such as FIP, FIV and FeLV are found to be more prevalent in multi-cat situations...when you have more cats, especially more infected cats, the concept of "viral load" becomes a factor. I have yet to find an explanation as to whether or not having many cats already infected with the FeLV virus in a particular population provides a greater impetus for viral mutation. If they are already infected, they can't really become "more" infected, so whether or not continued exposure to a virus which has already infected a cat will further the infectious process within that cat is not clear. Certainly having a l!
arge
 number of positive cats around un unprotected, negative, cat would increase its chance of becoming infected.Currently, our only real hope seems to be keeping an FeLV+ cat's life as free of stresses to its immune system as possible, feeding it the healthiest, most natural diet we can provide and giving supplements to support the immune system. There are many such supplements available, including the VO (if one can get and afford it), human interferon-alpha, Transfer Factor, and a number of herbal agents and other antioxidants such as Vitamin C and CoQ10, etc. I would like to find more evidence through research as to how these various immunosupportive agents serve to boost immune function and which may be complementary, or if using too many different supplements may be counterproductive. It IS possible to OVERstimulate the immune system, and whether or not this also applies to a depressed immune system is not yet clear to
 me.I posted a message some time ago about a book I had recently come across, The Nature of Animal Healing, by a Dr. Martin Goldstein, a holistic vet who has a practice in New York,

Re: Ringworm






In a message dated 1/14/2005 1:14:14 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
My 
  grandmother taught us to use Gentian Violet on ringworm. Works GREAT 
  but my is is messy - lots of 
purple.Gloria
Lets see everything I tried...and ended up I believe a combination of 
it all that got rid if it IF its gone...SIGH

rescue remedy
Gentian Violet
Tea Tree oil
all above combined

Blue Star Ointment
Lotrimin
Metronidazole lotion 
and finally as a last resort Metronidazol tablets

Lisaand 
fur-bratsAkira--FeLV miracle baby www.geocities.com/anzajaguar 
Indy-- Truley Indian Jones as a cat..FEARLESSLance- Mini wire haired 
dashchundBow-Tie- 2yr old (sss he doesnt know he is 15 :) ) jack russel 
crossBennie Bird-- Vampire cockatielAnza-- sexist Senegal 
parrot..deffinantly a ladies bird :)

Re: Ringworm