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In a message dated 1/25/2005 5:52:01 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Thank you. My eyes keep watering up when I think of him. He was so veryspecial.Joan
That's okay...Joan! You just shed some tears it will make you feel better. I'm so sorry for your sudden lost of Grayson. Just remember he loved you too. He is at a place where he is healthy again with all the other furangels. 
Your in my thoughts and prayers

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RE: Belinda - CLS - Grayson

2005-01-25 Thread Doljan, Joan

Title: Message

Thank you Terrie. BTW I have voted every
day.

Joan

-Original Message-From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January
25, 2005 9:01 AMTo: felvtalk@vlists.netSubject: Re:
Belinda - CLS - Grayson

In a message dated 1/25/2005 5:52:01 AM Pacific Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Thank you. My eyes keep watering up when I think of
him. He was so veryspecial.Joan
That's okay...Joan! You just
shed some tears it will make you feel better. I'm so sorry for your sudden
lost of Grayson. Just remember he loved you too. He is at a place where he is
healthy again with all the other furangels.
Your in my thoughts and
prayers

Re: Belinda - CLS - Grayson





In a message dated 1/25/2005 6:04:38 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Thank you Terrie. BTW I have voted every day.

Joan
Thanks Joan! The "Meezers" thank you too!

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Re: Wellness and Eagle Pack

2005-01-25 Thread Barbara Lowe

two/3 months ago i purchased a case of eagle pack canned food and one of the
cans had botulism. i called the company and they immediately responded--sent
me a coupon for a whole case, paid me to send back the can and contents if i
still had them(i did-in the refrig) . I had been preoccupied and opened the
can and the smell-peey! adn then saw bottom of can had popped. they
wanted the original contents and can to trace the shipment to figure out
what happened. actually what i later realized probably happened was that
particular can was not part of the purchased case but among the loose
freebies given me by a store owner from her sales rep--so it was probably
older. my cats still eat the chicken and lamb cans. so still sounds like a
responsible company to me...
barbara
- Original Message -
From: Faye Lewis [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@vlists.net
Sent: Monday, January 24, 2005 7:47 PM
Subject: Wellness and Eagle Pack


 I just found out from a dog board I belong to that these companies have
been
 bought out.  Wellness was bought out in 2003 and by 2004, all the original
 family who started the company had been fired (4 months ago). I stopped
 using Wellness about that time because I got 5 cases of canned food from
 their new plant that my cats would not eat.  The ones that finally ate the
 food started having minor bacterial infections.  I am not sure the
 infections are food related but I was concerned enough to drop Wellness
and
 go to Eagle Pack.  I had no idea the food had changed.  Now, Eagle Pack
has
 to be watched.

 If I learn any more about this, I will post it.  Let's just hope that
 whoever bought these fine companies will maintain their integrity.

Re: Wellness and Eagle Pack

2005-01-25 Thread Faye Lewis

Let's just hope nothing changes BUT, I do think those of us who use it 
should monitor the food more closely for a while and note any changes.

From: Barbara Lowe [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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two/3 months ago i purchased a case of eagle pack canned food and one of 
the
cans had botulism. i called the company and they immediately 
responded--sent
me a coupon for a whole case, paid me to send back the can and contents if 
i
still had them(i did-in the refrig) . I had been preoccupied and opened the
can and the smell-peey! adn then saw bottom of can had popped. they
wanted the original contents and can to trace the shipment to figure out
what happened. actually what i later realized probably happened was that
particular can was not part of the purchased case but among the loose
freebies given me by a store owner from her sales rep--so it was probably
older. my cats still eat the chicken and lamb cans. so still sounds like a
responsible company to me...
barbara
- Original Message -
From: Faye Lewis [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@vlists.net
Sent: Monday, January 24, 2005 7:47 PM
Subject: Wellness and Eagle Pack

 I just found out from a dog board I belong to that these companies have
been
 bought out.  Wellness was bought out in 2003 and by 2004, all the 
original
 family who started the company had been fired (4 months ago). I stopped
 using Wellness about that time because I got 5 cases of canned food from
 their new plant that my cats would not eat.  The ones that finally ate 
the
 food started having minor bacterial infections.  I am not sure the
 infections are food related but I was concerned enough to drop Wellness
and
 go to Eagle Pack.  I had no idea the food had changed.  Now, Eagle Pack
has
 to be watched.

 If I learn any more about this, I will post it.  Let's just hope that
 whoever bought these fine companies will maintain their integrity.

Re: Wellness and Eagle Pack

2005-01-25 Thread carlas

Barb,

I had that happen with a can of Petguard, I emailed them and them.
And they said they would send me a can to replace it they sent me 
3 large cans instead of one small plus some dry food samples.

Funny I had a problem with Tyson Chicken product and took them 
2 weeks to respond to me. Then after they quized me they did send 
a month later a coupon for a free roast. 

Petguard had a lot better customer relations person than tyson!

Carla



Date sent:  Tue, 25 Jan 2005 09:12:27 -0500
From:   Barbara Lowe [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject:Re: Wellness and Eagle Pack
To: felvtalk@vlists.net
Send reply to:  felvtalk@vlists.net

 two/3 months ago i purchased a case of eagle pack canned food and one
 of the cans had botulism. i called the company and they immediately
 responded--sent me a coupon for a whole case, paid me to send back the
 can and contents if i still had them(i did-in the refrig) . I had been
 preoccupied and opened the can and the smell-peey! adn then saw
 bottom of can had popped. they wanted the original contents and can to
 trace the shipment to figure out what happened. actually what i later
 realized probably happened was that particular can was not part of the
 purchased case but among the loose freebies given me by a store owner
 from her sales rep--so it was probably older. my cats still eat the
 chicken and lamb cans. so still sounds like a responsible company to
 me... barbara - Original Message - From: Faye Lewis
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@vlists.net Sent: Monday, January
 24, 2005 7:47 PM Subject: Wellness and Eagle Pack
 
 
  I just found out from a dog board I belong to that these companies
  have
 been
  bought out.  Wellness was bought out in 2003 and by 2004, all the
  original family who started the company had been fired (4 months
  ago). I stopped using Wellness about that time because I got 5 cases
  of canned food from their new plant that my cats would not eat.  The
  ones that finally ate the food started having minor bacterial
  infections.  I am not sure the infections are food related but I was
  concerned enough to drop Wellness
 and
  go to Eagle Pack.  I had no idea the food had changed.  Now, Eagle
  Pack
 has
  to be watched.
 
  If I learn any more about this, I will post it.  Let's just hope
  that whoever bought these fine companies will maintain their
  integrity.

Re: Smokey update....

2005-01-25 Thread Joan Doljan

Here's pulling for Smokey.

Joan[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Hi all,
 Thought I would drop a few lines. I got Smokey to drink alittle Tuna juice in water last night. He is holding on his own. He isn't doing any grooming either. So in a bit will try to get him to eat again and wash his face. He still has the discharge coming out of his eyes. Very hollow looking. Still walking alittle but not much too weak.

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 for available Siameses for adoption!More will be posted soon.http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescuehttp://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.htmlhttp://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.htmlTAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTSSIAMESE  COLLIE RESCUEOwner/DriverPetfinder.comAdopt a Homeless Pet!http://www.petfinder.com/http://www.awca.net/index.htmhttp://www.felineleukemia.org/http://www.petloss.com/http://www.meezer.com/http://thesiamesestore.com/http://tx.siameserescue.org/adopt.htmlhttp://ca.siameserescue.org/http://co.siameserescue.org/http://va.siameserescue.org/

Smokey update....



Hi all,
 Thought I would drop a few lines. I got Smokey to drink alittle Tuna juice in water last night. He is holding on his own. He isn't doing any grooming either. So in a bit will try to get him to eat again and wash his face. He still has the discharge coming out of his eyes. Very hollow looking. Still walking alittle but not much too weak.

Vote for my Rescue Siameses "KITTEN TRIO" it's a race please continue voting daily. http://www.pnwanimaladoption.com/contest.html Terrie MohrCheck site for available Siameses for adoption!More will be posted soon.http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescuehttp://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.htmlhttp://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.htmlTAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTSSIAMESE  COLLIE RESCUEOwner/DriverPetfinder.comAdopt a Homeless Pet!http://www.petfinder.com/http://www.awca.net/index.htmhttp://www.felineleukemia.org/http://www.petloss.com/http://www.meezer.com/http://thesiamesestore.com/http://tx.siameserescue.org/adopt.htmlhttp://ca.siameserescue.org/http://co.siameserescue.org/http://va.siameserescue.org/
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Re: I'm losing my Gypsy

We are all in it together.
CherieNina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Thank you Cherie, I appreciate the prayers and the kind words.NinaCherie A Gabbert wrote: Nina, First of all, you took a healthy kitten off the street and gave her a chance, she could have been run over, eaten or straved to death. You loved her and took care of her so do not beat yourself up over this. I really feel for you and you both are in my thoughts and prayers tonight. Cherie */Nina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>/* wrote: Hello Everyone, I'm so distraught about my Gypsy. She's the "feral turned house cat" that I've written to you about before. She's had Inflammatory Bowel Disease since Aug of '04, and nothing I've tried has helped her. I given her Prozyme, Probiotics, Pred shots, Flagil, Benefiber, I've even started adding C!
olloidal
Silver to her food. She has wasted away to a walking skeleton and hasn't played in months. The problem is compounded by not being able to put her in a carrier and take her to the vet, it's just too stressful for her (and at this point the sedative needed to allow her to be handled, could kill her). Even the house vet that came out wasn't able to examine her. He prescribed Methyprednisone shots (every 2 weeks), along with Metronidazole liquid that she took in her food for about 15 days before she started to refuse it. I! 've called a highly recommended East/West vet that I hope will be able to give me more ideas. I had tried putting her on a novel protein diet, but she stopped eating. When I began giving her the foods she loves again, she seemed to gain a little weight, but this morning she refused her favorites (salmon and liver). I'm afrai!
d I'm on
death watch at this point and it's killing me. One of the most disheartening things about her condition, is that I think I'm responsible. I didn't know the dangers at the time, and I was doing my best to protect her, but I think I inadvertently gave her this condition when I had her vaccinated. She had been vaccinated once, when I first trapped her, and then spent months with my FeLV kittens (before I knew their status). She was negative when I tested her, and I had them give her two more series of shots afterward. The vet (someone I won't use again), mistakenly gave her a total of 3 rabies ! shots along with all the other vaccines and it was only a month later that she started showing her symptoms. I took a healthy, vibrant kitten off the street, exposed her to FeLV and then gave her IBD with too many vaccines! I ca!
n't tell
you how miserable I feel. Thank you for letting me vent. I'm so frustrated and heartsick. I don't think I even have the option of helping her cross. How peaceful could it be for her to have a strange person trying to give her a shot? Not to mention, trying to find a vein to put it in. I feel like I'm going to vomit. Nina

Re: getting them in the carrier

I leave mine out also, just in case.
CherieKerry MacKenzie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
No, that's a new idea to me. I'm going to do that from tonight. I need toput him in on Wednesday. Thanks Kristi!- Original Message -From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: Sent: Monday, January 24, 2005 8:23 PMSubject: Re: getting them in the carrier I don't know if this has been suggested already so sorry if I'm beingrepetitive, but I find with mine if I leave a carrier out with a blanket init some catnip and toys, at all times it is alot less scary when I shut thedoor behind my fur kids. They play in it so before and after the vet tripits a cat gym, they wrestle in it and play king of the mountain, I thinkmaybe they forget the in between part. Kristi From: BONNIE J KALMBACH <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: 2005/01/24 Mon PM 08:35:41 EST !
To:
felvtalk@vlists.net Subject: Re: RE: Kerry, how is Levi today? Sometimes covering their eyes with your hand works to get them in the carrier - if you haven't already tried that. Bonnie - Original Message - From: Chris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Monday, January 24, 2005 4:19 pm Subject: RE: Kerry, how is Levi today?It is virtually impossible for me to get BB in carrier so vet gave me some pills, ?ace? something or other?I give him ½ a pill about 3 yours beforeput the carrier on the bed where he generally sleeps?I think that becausethe pill makes him a little groggy he curls up inside the carrier falls asleep. The doseage is n!
ever
enough to knock him out or anything, just sort of mellows him out to get more hands on for things he doesn?t like to do (like the carrier?which of course, he knows means the vet!). Maybe you can ask your vet about it?. I can look up the name doseage if it will help? Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of MacKenzie, Kerry N. Sent: Monday, January 24, 2005 12:38 PM To: felvtalk@vlists.net Subject: RE: Kerry, how is Levi today?
On the basis of your very helpful and specific email Michelle I've made an apptment on Wed morning with the best doctor I've found so far for my ferals. I'm going to take the blood report that the housecall vet faxed and your email with me. I just hope I can get him into the carrier, and without too much stress. (I guess if he is feisty tho, then that's a good sign.) The housecall vet did mention steroids when pressed by me, but she addedthey take 6-8 weeks to kick in? Is that correct? I wish I had a tape of our conversation. So much of it is over my head. It feels like wading thru glue sometimes, just to get a clear picture !

of what's possible/viable. Kerry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 24, 2005 10:26 AM To: felvtalk@vlists.net Subject: Re: Kerry, how is Levi today? Kerry, First, in terms of the sour cream-- Simon went a few days where that was basically all her ate too, so I would not worry about that. It's very fatty, if it is whole milk sour cream, which is good. The most importantthing short-term, I think, is getting calories into him. In terms of his anemia and how bad he feels... !
is there
any way to get him a diagnosis? Sue on this list said that her cat had anemia from teh FeLV and depomedrol (steroid) shots completely resolved it. The anemia was from her cat killing her own red blood cells, and the depomedrol stoppedthat. If the anemia is from lymphoma, then steroids, or chemo if you are up to it, can also help enormously. Simon's hematocrit was down that low for a while, and still could be though I think he looks pinker now and is definitely more energetic. If it is from hemobartenella (sp?) then antibiotics could completely resolve it. If it has anything to do with his kidneys, Procrit or Epogen could help. There is also the chance, of course, that nothi!
ng can be
done and it is just degenerative from the FeLV, but it is impossible to know this based on the information you currently have from your vet. If he is feral, then I know that makes any diagnosis or treatmentchallenging, but if it is possible to get more information from your vet or another (did the vet check for hemobartanella? is lymphoma possible? is it possible he is killing his own rbc's?) If it really seems like he is plummeting, and especially if you are considering euthanasia, I would highly recommend you try a steroid shot or two first to see if they help. I would give a dexamethasone shot, which is fast-acting, along with a longer-acting and slower-to-set-in shot of Depomedrol. I thi!
nk it is
the combination of these shots that brought Simon back, at least temporarily, from the Precipice.

Re: Levi not eating, sitting in one of the litter boxes

I am just catching up, have you tried a tounge depressor to put food in his mouth or put some on the tip of his nose and he will lick it off. Sitting in the litter box, could mean he is having problems going to the bathroom, but it also could mean it is close. The reason why they sit in it is because it is secure with the four walls surrounding them, gives them comfort. Good luck, you guys are in my thoughts.
Cherie
Kerry MacKenzie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:




Thanks very much Chris. I'll print this off tomorrow.
I just went in to see Levi and play with the others (they'd already discovered the new toy I bought on Friday and managed to unwrap it, but just couldn't unclip it from the packaging!). Anyway, Levis is now sitting in one of the litter boxes. He's been there for at least half an hour now. I know that's not good. I'd welcome any info/comments. He's still alert, but not eating. I pray he's drinking. The vet did say his kidneys and liver were fine, but how long can that last with so little food? The last big helping he had of sour cream was this morning--probably about 2 tablespoons. What if he doesn't eat tomorrow? Can he last till Wed morning?
thanks in advance again, Kerry



- Original Message - 

From: Chris 
To: felvtalk@vlists.net 
Sent: Monday, January 24, 2005 11:16 PM
Subject: RE: Kerry, how is Levi today?


Its Ace Promazine-10mg. You could check doseage as I used 1 pill (theyre small) that I put in Pill Pocket. First time I gave it to him about 1 ½ hours before we were to leave  though it helped me get him in big crate that I had, it wasnt too much help at vet. By the time I got home, however, he really was very mellow  it turned out to be the first time I could clip his nails. Next time, I gave it to him about 3 hours before we were to leave. By this point, he had taken to sleeping on my bed  I put this soft sided carrier I have up there next to him, and he sort of went in to sleep by himself. Once I knew he was asleep, I just quietly  quickly zipped up the opening. He wasnt happy but so mellow that he just went back to sleep, Vet visit was a whole lot easier. Big Boy will let me!
 do just
 about anything to him except pick him up to hold him or trim his nails so the Ace really came in handy. Vet gave me a small supply so I have in case of emergency. After effects were just that he was staggering a little but he ate, went to the box when we got home  then just slept thru the night. Its not a drug that will knock him out, just sort of makes him a little groggy  mellow. Wish I had some of that when he goes to the vet!


Chris
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-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of MacKenzie, Kerry N.Sent: Monday, January 24, 2005 5:26 PMTo: felvtalk@vlists.netSubject: RE: Kerry, how is Levi today?


Yes, that would be great Chris, if you could check the name/dosage. Maybe I'll do a trial run tonight with Levi and if it's impossible I'll ask vet about picking up the 'ace' meds. I have got to get him to the vetsomehow. Thanks! Kerry
-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ChrisSent: Monday, January 24, 2005 4:20 PMTo: felvtalk@vlists.netSubject: RE: Kerry, how is Levi today?
It is virtually impossible for me to get BB in carrier so vet gave me some pills, ace something or otherI give him ½ a pill about 3 yours before  put the carrier on the bed where he generally sleepsI think that because the pill makes him a little groggy  he curls up inside the carrier  falls asleep. The doseage is never enough to knock him out or anything, just sort of mellows him out to get more hands on for things he doesnt like to do (like the carrierwhich of course, he knows means the vet!). Maybe you can ask your vet about it. I can look up the name  doseage if it will help


Chris
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-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of MacKenzie, Kerry N.Sent: Monday, January 24, 2005 12:38 PMTo: felvtalk@vlists.netSubject: RE: Kerry, how is Levi today?


On the basis of your very helpful and specificemail Michelle I've made an apptment on Wed morning with the best doctor I've found so far for my ferals. I'm going to take the blood report that the housecall vet faxed and your email with me. 

I just hope I can get him into the carrier, and without too much stress. (I guess if he is feisty tho, then that's a good sign.)

The housecall vet did mention steroids when pressed by me, but she added they take 6-8 weeks to kick in?

Is that correct? 

I wish I hada tape of our conversation. So much of it is over my head. It feels like wading thru glue sometimes, just to get a clear picture of what's possible/viable.

Kerry
-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Monday, January 24, 2005 10:26 AMTo: felvtalk@vlists.netSubject: Re: Kerry, how is Levi today?

Kerry,

 First, in terms of

Re: Smokey update....

Sorry, Terrie, I have positive vibes coming your way.
Cherie[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Hi all,
 Thought I would drop a few lines. I got Smokey to drink alittle Tuna juice in water last night. He is holding on his own. He isn't doing any grooming either. So in a bit will try to get him to eat again and wash his face. He still has the discharge coming out of his eyes. Very hollow looking. Still walking alittle but not much too weak.

Vote for my Rescue Siameses "KITTEN TRIO" it's a race please continue voting daily. http://www.pnwanimaladoption.com/contest.html Terrie MohrCh!
eck site
 for available Siameses for adoption!More will be posted soon.http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescuehttp://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.htmlhttp://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.htmlTAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTSSIAMESE  COLLIE RESCUEOwner/DriverPetfinder.comAdopt a Homeless Pet!http://www.petfinder.com/http://www.awca.net/index.htmhttp://www.felineleukemia.org/http://www.petloss.com/http://www.meezer.com/http://thesiamesestore.com/http://tx.siameserescue.org/adopt.htmlhttp://ca.siameserescue.org/http://co.siameserescue.org/http://va.siameserescue.org/

Re: Smokey update....



Well, I got him to eat a few nibbles of wetfood. He seems perky today and purring for the first since last week.


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RE: Smokey update....

Title: Message

I am so sorry Terrie. It's awful to watch an
ailing animal. I'm praying for Smokey. love, kerry

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update
Hi all,
Thought I would
drop a few lines. I got Smokey to drink alittle Tuna juice in water last night.
He is holding on his own. He isn't doing any grooming either. So in a bit will
try to get him to eat again and wash his face. He still has the discharge coming
out of his eyes. Very hollow looking. Still walking alittle but not much too
weak.

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RE: I'm losing my Gypsy

2005-01-25 Thread Chris










They do get finicky, dont
they! About the only other thought I had is that when I was feeding the
strays  had to give them some meds, Id wrap the pills in a homemade
pill pocket of liverwurst They seemed to take itwhat about
if you mushed up some salmon  made a little ball with the pill in it?





Chris

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Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Of Nina
Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2005
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To: felvtalk@vlists.net
Subject: Re: I'm losing my Gypsy



Yes, I've tried pill
pockets. I was so excited to get them, I hoped they'd be my answer.
She took one sniff at them and turned her pretty little nose up. I tried
cutting them up in smaller pieces, even warming them, nope she's not havin'
it. I don't know how a little feral got to be so picky! I got the
salmon (because that's one of her favorite foods), I meant to try another
flavor, but never got around to ordering them. I could give it another go
with a different flavor, at this point though, when I can't get her to eat the
real thing, I'm not very hopeful.
Nina

Chris wrote:



Have you tried the Pill
Pockets.





Chris

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Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Nina
Sent: Monday, January 24, 2005
9:13 PM
To: felvtalk@vlists.net
Subject: Re: I'm losing my Gypsy



Hi Bonnie,
Pilling my Gypsy is pretty much out of the question, that's why I was trying
the injections. Did your Nina get over her IBD?
Nina

BONNIE J KALMBACH wrote:

Nina, My muted tortie Nina has IBD. She has been taking half a dexamethasone tablet every other day for it, and for asthma, for a couple of years. She was on pred for but became allergic to it.best to you and your Gypsy,Bonnie- Original Message -From: Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED]Date: Monday, January 24, 2005 4:41 pmSubject: I'm losing my Gypsy 

Hello Everyone,I'm so distraught about my Gypsy. She's the feral turned house cat that I've written to you about before. She's had Inflammatory Bowel Disease since Aug of '04, and nothing I've tried has helped her. I given her Prozyme, Probiotics, Pred shots, Flagil, Benefiber, I've even started adding Colloidal Silver to her food. She has wasted away to a walking skeleton and hasn't played in months. The problem is compounded by not being able to put her in a carrier and take her to the vet, it's just too stressful for her (and at this point the sedative needed to allow her to be handled, could kill her). Even the house vet that came out wasn't able to examine her. He prescribed Methyprednisone shots (every 2 weeks), along with Metronidazole liquid that she took in her food for about 15 days before she started to refuse it. I've called a highly recommended East/West vet that I hope will be able to give me more ideas. I had tried putting her on a novel protein diet, but she stopped eating. When I began giving her the foods she loves again, she seemed to gain a little weight, but this morning she refused her favorites (salmon and liver). I'm afraid I'm on death watch at this point and it's killing me.One of the most disheartening things about her condition, is that I think I'm responsible. I didn't know the dangers at the time, and I was doing my best to protect her, but I think I inadvertently gave her this condition when I had her vaccinated. She had been vaccinated once, when I first trapped her, and then spent months with my FeLV kittens (before I knew their status). She was negative when I tested her, and I had them give her two more series of shots afterward. The vet (someone I won't use again), mistakenly gave her a total of 3 rabies shots along with all the other vaccines and it was only a month later that she started showing her symptoms. I took a healthy, vibrant kitten off the street, exposed her to FeLV and then gave her IBD with too many vaccines! I can't tell you how miserable I feel.Thank you for letting me vent. I'm so frustrated and heartsick. I don't think I even have the option of helping her cross. How peaceful could it be for her to have a strange person trying to give her a shot? Not to mention, trying to find a vein to put it in. I feel like I'm going to vomit.Nina

Re: My words come back to me sooner than i expected

2005-01-25 Thread tamara stickler

Melissa,

The new kitten may NOT be felv +. It can depend on how long they were loose and who they came into contact with. I rescued two, littermates from a park last year...one was felv+ one was neg. I believe the positive one had been bitten by another cat in the parkat one point before I could catch him, he had a samll bite mark on his ear at one point.

Good luck. God Bless
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I caught another cat today.

I was trying to trap the mother of my foster kittens, as I saw her outside about a week ago. I thought that with this snowy and cold weather, it might be a good time to try to trap her, as she might be more likely to go for the warm food.

So, I put some food in a humane trap and set it out on my terrace, where there were some paw prints. Unfortunately, it turns out the paws that made the prints belong to an adorable little tabby and white kitten, probably the sibling to my black and white kitten we caught a few weeks ago, maybe four months old. Very similar markings, pink noses, white paws, similar size. Which means also likely FeLV positive. 

No! This is the wrong cat! I don't have a plan for this cat! So now I am forced to answer my own question, would I voluntarily put myself through this again. I wish I hadn't looked at the cat, I wish I had kept the trap covered.

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Thanks
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RE: Levi not eating, sitting in one of the litter boxes

We all are praying he is ok when you get home, Kerry.
My thoughts are with youCherie"MacKenzie, Kerry N." [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Thanks Michelle---I'll be checking on him as soon as I get home from work. I'm taking your email from yesterday to the vet with me, along with the report from last weeks vet. Praying he's ok when I get home.
Kerry

-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2005 10:50 AMTo: felvtalk@vlists.netSubject: Re: Levi not eating, sitting in one of the litter boxes
Kerry, is there any way you can get him to the vet today instead of tomorrow? If it is something that can be helped with steroids you should get them into him right away with a shot of dexamethasone. It is possible that Levi's time is close and he can not be helped, but it is also possible that he can be helped. Remember that Simon did not eat a thing for 2 days and could not even stand in the litter box (I had to hold him up) during those days that I thought he was dying. 
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RE: Levi not eating, sitting in one of the litter boxes

Title: Message

Thanks
Cherie. Kerry

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the litter boxes
We all are praying he is ok when you get home, Kerry.
My thoughts are with youCherie"MacKenzie, Kerry N."
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Thanks Michelle---I'll be checking on him
as soon as I get home from work. I'm taking your email from yesterday to the
vet with me, along with the report from last weeks vet. Praying he's ok when I
get home.
Kerry

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Kerry, is there any way you can get him to the vet today instead of
tomorrow? If it is something that can be helped with steroids you should get
them into him right away with a shot of dexamethasone. It is possible
that Levi's time is close and he can not be helped, but it is also possible
that he can be helped. Remember that Simon did not eat a thing for 2 days and
could not even stand in the litter box (I had to hold him up) during those
days that I thought he was dying.
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RE: Belinda - CLS - Grayson

Title: Message



I'm 
so, so sorry Joan. Grayson was clearly a wonderful little soul with a beautiful 
personality. You must miss him very much indeed. Please know I'm thinking of 
you, love, Kerry

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DoljanSent: Tuesday, January 25, 2005 6:04 AMTo: 
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Grayson
Belinda,

Please add my first cat and my first FIV+ cat, Grayson to the CLS. He 
died on Sunday morning on January 23rd during the blizzard. He was the 
most intelligent, sweetest, gentlest, happiest, lovingyoung man I had the 
pleasure to know. He was the alpha cat in my household and always ruled 
with a gentle paw. He will be sorely missed. He was losing weight 
and had an appointment today at the vet. I suspect he died of a heart 
attack. He was 10 years old. Except for dental work he had never 
been ill.

Thank you,

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Fwd: [feline_lymphoma] IBD-- for nina

2005-01-25 Thread Lernermichelle





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Michelle, sometimes severe IBD can lead to GI
lymphoma.  The symptoms of your friends' cat is the
exact same as Jake's was.  She really needs to have it
tested for lymphoma.  Jake didn't have any tumors but
the cancer was all throughout.  They had to dx it by
exploratory surgery.

I hope the best for your friends' cat, forgot the
name.

Lori

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Fwd: [feline_lymphoma] IBD-- for Nina #2

2005-01-25 Thread Lernermichelle





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Hi Michelle--

My Phoebe had severe IBD for all of her 17 years (she passed away in 2001 
from CRF).  Her first severe episode of it was when she was 4 months old, and 
she had periodic flare-ups from then on.  I'll pass along what seemed to help 
Phoebe, and such.  I don't know if it can all be used with Gypsy, but perhaps 
it will give some ideas.

1.)I gave Phoebe prednisone, but not all the time.  I got to know when a 
flare-up may be coming on.  She would become hyperactive, running around the 
house, often meowling a lot (not like she was in pain, but rather, as if she 
wanted to go outside.).  I would give her 5mg prednisone daily for 2-3 days, 
then every other day for awhile (perhaps a week or two).  This generally caught 
the flare-up before it became severe.

2.)  I prepared a homemade diet for her using chicken and rice.  1/4 cup 
cooked chicken (only meat, no skin, gristle, etc.), one cup cooked rice (with 
the 
usual amount of salt and 1 tablespoon fat ... usually used chicken fat skimmed 
off the cooled broth from cooking the chicken), 1/2 tsp. calcium powder, and 
1/4 to 1/2 tsp taurine.  Put it in a blender/processor with chicken broth 
sufficient to process.  Comes out looking similar to cooked oatmeal, but if you 
freeze it, then thaw/warm a bit in the microwave before serving, it has a 
better 
consistency.  Phoebe thrived on this.  I did need to give her a multi-vitamin 
supplement.

3.)  Watch for dietary no-no's.  For Phoebe, snakes and lizards seemed to be 
her downfall.  She loved to catch them, but always became sick afterwards.  
Fish foods also caused her distress.

4.) When she did get a full flare-up of IBD and stopped eating, I was 
relentless in assist feeding her.  There was one time she actually gained 
weight!  I 
lost count of the times I had to totally support her nutritionally for up to 2 
weeks at a time.  Gave her lots of nutrical, meat broth, baby food, whatever 
I could stuff in her mouth.  Sometimes I used a syringe, other times, I just 
scraped food onto the roof of her mouth/behind her front teeth, using my finger 
tip.  It's desperately important to get those groceries into them.  If you 
don't, it only takes about 4 days for hepatic lipidosis to develop (fatty 
liver).  This condition is reversible, but usually involves some months of 
assisted 
feeding and placement of a feeding tube.  You really don't want to go there.

5.)  How are Gypsy's teeth?  Phoebe had terrible teeth.  By the time she was 
8 years old, she had lost every single one of them, even with regular dentals. 
 Curiously, after her teeth were gone, her episodes of IBD became fewer and 
less severe.  Go figure.

6.)  After Phoebe had gone, I happened to find out some new studies they are 
doing with IBD.  They are working right now with rats genetically engineered 
to produce IBD, but hope to directly apply the studies to humans eventually.  
At the Univ. of Louisianna, there's some folks studying n-acetyl cysteine (NAC) 
for IBD.  This is an over-the-counter supplement you can find at any health 
food store.  It's a precursor for glutathione, an amino-acid that is a potent 
intestinal anti-inflammatory.  These rats, when given NAC, if they do develop 
IBD, then it is considerably less severe than those rats not given NAC.  The 
holistic vet said to give 150mg daily, preferably in 2 divided doses.  As I 
say, 
I didn't have a chance to use it for Phoebe.  But Weena had developed a bad 
GI bleed.  She was being treated for about 3 months with the usual meds, and 
had not improved.  Asked about giving NAC, and there was no reason not to give 
it a try.  She cleared up in less than a month.

I hope some of this might help Gypsy.  Good luck.

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RE: Levi not eating, sitting in one of the litter boxes

Title: Message



Thanks 
Cherie. I'm torn--he so obviously doesn't want it. But yes, i will try the nose 
idea. He's feral, and he's got enough energy to still hiss at me and let me know 
I'm out of line. Kerry

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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Cherie A 
GabbertSent: Tuesday, January 25, 2005 9:13 AMTo: 
felvtalk@vlists.netSubject: Re: Levi not eating, sitting in one of 
the litter boxes
I am just catching up, have you tried a tounge depressor to put food in his 
mouth or put some on the tip of his nose and he will lick it off. Sitting in the 
litter box, could mean he is having problems going to the bathroom, but it also 
could mean it is close. The reason why they sit in it is because it is secure 
with the four walls surrounding them, gives them comfort. Good luck, you guys 
are in my thoughts.
Cherie
Kerry MacKenzie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  
  

  Thanks very much Chris. I'll print this off 
  tomorrow.
  I just went in to see Levi and play with the others (they'd 
  already discovered the new toy I bought on Friday and managed to unwrap it, 
  but just couldn't unclip it from the packaging!). Anyway, Levis is now sitting 
  in one of the litter boxes. He's been there for at least half an hour now. I 
  know that's not good. I'd welcome any info/comments. He's still alert, but not 
  eating. I pray he's drinking. The vet did say his kidneys and liver were fine, 
  but how long can that last with so little food? The last big helping he had of 
  sour cream was this morning--probably about 2 tablespoons. What if he doesn't 
  eat tomorrow? Can he last till Wed morning?
  thanks in advance again, Kerry
  
  
  
  - Original Message - 
  
From: 
Chris 

To: felvtalk@vlists.net 
Sent: Monday, January 24, 2005 11:16 
PM
Subject: RE: Kerry, how is Levi 
today?


Its Ace 
Promazine-10mg. You could check doseage as I used 1 pill (theyre 
small) that I put in Pill Pocket. First time I gave it to him about 1 
½ hours before we were to leave  though it helped me get him in big 
crate that I had, it wasnt too much help at vet. By the time I 
got home, however, he really was very mellow  it turned out to be the 
first time I could clip his nails. Next time, I gave it to him about 3 
hours before we were to leave. By this point, he had taken to sleeping 
on my bed  I put this soft sided carrier I have up there next to him, 
and he sort of went in to sleep by himself. Once I knew he was asleep, 
I just quietly  quickly zipped up the opening. He wasnt happy 
but so mellow that he just went back to sleep, Vet visit was a whole 
lot easier. Big Boy will let me! do just about anything to him except 
pick him up to hold him or trim his nails so the Ace really came in 
handy. Vet gave me a small supply so I have in case of 
emergency. After effects were just that he was staggering a little but 
he ate, went to the box when we got home  then just slept thru the 
night. Its not a drug that will knock him out, just sort of makes him 
a little groggy  mellow. Wish I had some of that when he goes to 
the vet!


Chris
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Message-From: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of MacKenzie, Kerry 
N.Sent: Monday, January 
24, 2005 5:26 PMTo: 
felvtalk@vlists.netSubject: RE: Kerry, how is Levi 
today?


Yes, 
that would be great Chris, if you could check the name/dosage. Maybe I'll do 
a trial run tonight with Levi and if it's impossible I'll ask vet about 
picking up the 'ace' meds. I have got to get him to the vetsomehow. 
Thanks! Kerry
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Message-From: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ChrisSent: Monday, January 24, 2005 4:20 
PMTo: 
felvtalk@vlists.netSubject: RE: Kerry, how is Levi 
today?
It is 
virtually impossible for me to get BB in carrier so vet gave me some pills, 
ace something or otherI give him ½ a pill about 3 yours before  put 
the carrier on the bed where he generally sleepsI think that because the 
pill makes him a little groggy  he curls up inside the carrier  
falls asleep. The doseage is never enough to knock him out or 
anything, just sort of mellows him out to get more hands on for things he 
doesnt like to do (like the carrierwhich of course, he knows means the 
vet!). Maybe you can ask your vet about it. I can look up the 
name  doseage if it will help


Chris
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Message-From: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of MacKenzie, Kerry 
N.Sent: Monday, January 
24, 2005 12:38 PMTo: 
felvtalk@vlists.netSubject: RE: Kerry, how is Levi 
today?


On 
the basis of your very helpful and

RE: Levi not eating, sitting in one of the litter boxes

2005-01-25 Thread Chris

Title: Message









Well, I would guess the sour cream is
plenty nutritious and has fluid  my theory is that any food/fluid is
better than none! What about sort of wetting his pawsI know they hate
that but they seem to immediately lick it upagain, just a  little fluid?





Chris

[EMAIL PROTECTED]



-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
Of Kerry MacKenzie
Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2005
12:38 AM
To: felvtalk@vlists.net
Subject: Levi not eating, sitting
in one of the litter boxes





Thanks very much Chris. I'll print this off tomorrow.





I just went in to see Levi and play with the others
(they'd already discovered the new toy I bought on Friday and managed to unwrap
it, but just couldn't unclip it from the packaging!). Anyway, Levis is now
sitting in one of the litter boxes. He's been there for at least half an hour
now. I know that's not good. I'd welcome any info/comments. He's still alert,
but not eating. I pray he's drinking. The vet did say his kidneys and liver
were fine, but how long can that last with so little food? The last big helping
he had of sour cream was this morning--probably about 2 tablespoons. What if he
doesn't eat tomorrow? Can he last till Wed morning?





thanks in advance again, Kerry























- Original Message - 







From: Chris 





To: felvtalk@vlists.net






Sent: Monday,
January 24, 2005 11:16 PM





Subject: RE: Kerry,
how is Levi today?









Its Ace
Promazine-10mg. You could check doseage as I used 1 pill (theyre
small) that I put in Pill Pocket. First time I gave it to him about 1 ½
hours before we were to leave  though it helped me get him in big crate
that I had, it wasnt too much help at vet. By the time I got
home, however, he really was very mellow  it turned out to be the first
time I could clip his nails. Next time, I gave it to him about 3 hours
before we were to leave. By this point, he had taken to sleeping on my
bed  I put this soft sided carrier I have up there next to him, and he
sort of went in to sleep by himself. Once I knew he was asleep, I just
quietly  quickly zipped up the opening. He wasnt happy but so
mellow that he just went back to sleep, Vet visit was a whole lot
easier. Big Boy will let me do just about anything to him except pick him
up to hold him or trim his nails so the Ace really came in handy. Vet
gave me a small supply so I have in case of emergency. After effects were
just that he was staggering a little but he ate, went to the box when we got
home  then just slept thru the night. Its not a drug that will knock
him out, just sort of makes him a little groggy  mellow. Wish I had
some of that when he goes to the vet!





Chris

[EMAIL PROTECTED]



-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
Of MacKenzie, Kerry N.
Sent: Monday, January 24, 2005
5:26 PM
To: felvtalk@vlists.net
Subject: RE: Kerry, how is Levi
today?





Yes,
that would be great Chris, if you could check the name/dosage. Maybe I'll do a
trial run tonight with Levi and if it's impossible I'll ask vet about picking
up the 'ace' meds. I have got to get him to the vetsomehow. Thanks!
Kerry



-Original
Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
Of Chris
Sent: Monday, January 24, 2005
4:20 PM
To: felvtalk@vlists.net
Subject: RE: Kerry, how is Levi
today?

It is
virtually impossible for me to get BB in carrier so vet gave me some pills,
ace something or otherI give him ½ a pill about 3 yours
before  put the carrier on the bed where he generally sleepsI think
that because the pill makes him a little groggy  he curls up inside the
carrier  falls asleep. The doseage is never enough to knock him out
or anything, just sort of mellows him out to get more hands on for things he
doesnt like to do (like the carrierwhich of course, he knows
means the vet!). Maybe you can ask your vet about it. I can
look up the name  doseage if it will help





Chris

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
Of MacKenzie, Kerry N.
Sent: Monday, January 24, 2005
12:38 PM
To: felvtalk@vlists.net
Subject: RE: Kerry, how is Levi
today?





On the
basis of your very helpful and specificemail Michelle I've made an apptment
on Wed morning with the best doctor I've found so far for my ferals. I'm
going to take the blood report that the housecall vet faxed and your email with
me. 





I just
hope I can get him into the carrier, and without too much stress. (I guess if
he is feisty tho, then that's a good sign.)





The housecall
vet did mention steroids when pressed by me, but she added they take 6-8 weeks
to kick in?





Is that
correct? 





I wish
I hada tape of our conversation. So much of it is over my head. It feels
like wading thru glue sometimes, just to get a clear picture of what's
possible/viable.





Kerry



-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

RE: Levi not eating, sitting in one of the litter boxes

Title: Message



PS...no meds. He won't take anything now, including the interferon. 


-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of NinaSent: 
Tuesday, January 25, 2005 12:30 AMTo: 
felvtalk@vlists.netSubject: Re: Levi not eating, sitting in one of 
the litter boxesOh Kerry, I know how upset you must 
be. What medications is he on? I know that Doxycycline helped Grace 
battle her way back from whatever infection she was fighting, the extensive 
blood work we did never revealed what it was. I know how hard it is to 
watch helplessly. Sally and I were just discussing the effects of negative 
thinking. Some people believe that our sick animals pick up on our 
emotions and when we focus on the worry that they're dieing, they think that's 
what's expected. I don't know if that's true, or not, it certainly could 
be. I do know that it's important to check that unhappy energy at the 
door, before we interact with them. It can't do them any good to see us 
all torn up. I know how hard it is, but try to be calm, being upbeat is 
even better. Tell him he's going to get better. Try to believe it 
yourself. Visualize him romping and playing again. Stranger things 
have happened. Believe in the possibility and tell him to 
fight!Much love to you, I know how you're 
suffering,NinaKerry MacKenzie wrote:

  
  

  Thanks very much Chris. I'll print this off 
  tomorrow.
  I just went in to see Levi and play with the others (they'd 
  already discovered the new toy I bought on Friday and managed to unwrap it, 
  but just couldn't unclip it from the packaging!). Anyway, Levis is now sitting 
  in one of the litter boxes. He's been there for at least half an hour now. I 
  know that's not good. I'd welcome any info/comments. He's still alert, but not 
  eating. I pray he's drinking. The vet did say his kidneys and liver were fine, 
  but how long can that last with so little food? The last big helping he had of 
  sour cream was this morning--probably about 2 tablespoons. What if he doesn't 
  eat tomorrow? Can he last till Wed morning?
  thanks in advance again, Kerry
  
  
  
  - Original Message - 
  
From: 
Chris 

To: 
felvtalk@vlists.net 
Sent: 
Monday, January 24, 2005 11:16 PM
Subject: 
RE: Kerry, how is Levi today?


Its Ace 
Promazine-10mg. You could check doseage as I used 1 pill (theyre 
small) that I put in Pill Pocket. First time I gave it to him about 1 
½ hours before we were to leave  though it helped me get him in big 
crate that I had, it wasnt too much help at vet. By the time I 
got home, however, he really was very mellow  it turned out to be the 
first time I could clip his nails. Next time, I gave it to him about 3 
hours before we were to leave. By this point, he had taken to sleeping 
on my bed  I put this soft sided carrier I have up there next to him, 
and he sort of went in to sleep by himself. Once I knew he was asleep, 
I just quietly  quickly zipped up the opening. He wasnt happy 
but so mellow that he just went back to sleep, Vet visit was a whole 
lot easier. Big Boy will let me do just about anything to him except 
pick him up to hold him or trim his nails so the Ace really came in 
handy. Vet gave me a small supply so I have in case of 
emergency. After effects were just that he was staggering a little but 
he ate, went to the box when we got home  then just slept thru the 
night. Its not a drug that will knock him out, just sort of makes him 
a little groggy  mellow. Wish I had some of that when he goes to 
the vet!


Chris
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
-Original 
Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
On Behalf Of MacKenzie, Kerry 
N.Sent: Monday, January 
24, 2005 5:26 PMTo: felvtalk@vlists.netSubject: RE: Kerry, how is Levi 
today?


Yes, 
that would be great Chris, if you could check the name/dosage. Maybe I'll do 
a trial run tonight with Levi and if it's impossible I'll ask vet about 
picking up the 'ace' meds. I have got to get him to the vetsomehow. 
Thanks! Kerry
-Original 
Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
On Behalf Of ChrisSent: Monday, January 24, 2005 4:20 
PMTo: felvtalk@vlists.netSubject: RE: Kerry, how is Levi 
today?
It is 
virtually impossible for me to get BB in carrier so vet gave me some pills, 
ace something or otherI give him ½ a pill about 3 yours before  put 
the carrier on the bed where he generally sleepsI think that because the 
pill makes him a little groggy  he curls up inside the carrier  
falls asleep. The doseage is never enough to knock him out or 
anything, just sort of mellows him out to get more hands on for things he 
doesnt like to do (like the carrierwhich of course, he knows means the

RE: Levi not eating, sitting in one of the litter boxes

Title: Message



Thanks 
NinaI made sure I was upbeat this am. He still didn't eat. He was out of the 
litter box and back in the file cabinet. He did stand next to the carrier at one 
point (after I put the tops and catnip in). I hope it won't be too stressful for 
him taking him to the vet tomorrow. Kerry

-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of NinaSent: 
Tuesday, January 25, 2005 12:30 AMTo: 
felvtalk@vlists.netSubject: Re: Levi not eating, sitting in one of 
the litter boxesOh Kerry, I know how upset you must 
be. What medications is he on? I know that Doxycycline helped Grace 
battle her way back from whatever infection she was fighting, the extensive 
blood work we did never revealed what it was. I know how hard it is to 
watch helplessly. Sally and I were just discussing the effects of negative 
thinking. Some people believe that our sick animals pick up on our 
emotions and when we focus on the worry that they're dieing, they think that's 
what's expected. I don't know if that's true, or not, it certainly could 
be. I do know that it's important to check that unhappy energy at the 
door, before we interact with them. It can't do them any good to see us 
all torn up. I know how hard it is, but try to be calm, being upbeat is 
even better. Tell him he's going to get better. Try to believe it 
yourself. Visualize him romping and playing again. Stranger things 
have happened. Believe in the possibility and tell him to 
fight!Much love to you, I know how you're 
suffering,NinaKerry MacKenzie wrote:

  
  

  Thanks very much Chris. I'll print this off 
  tomorrow.
  I just went in to see Levi and play with the others (they'd 
  already discovered the new toy I bought on Friday and managed to unwrap it, 
  but just couldn't unclip it from the packaging!). Anyway, Levis is now sitting 
  in one of the litter boxes. He's been there for at least half an hour now. I 
  know that's not good. I'd welcome any info/comments. He's still alert, but not 
  eating. I pray he's drinking. The vet did say his kidneys and liver were fine, 
  but how long can that last with so little food? The last big helping he had of 
  sour cream was this morning--probably about 2 tablespoons. What if he doesn't 
  eat tomorrow? Can he last till Wed morning?
  thanks in advance again, Kerry
  
  
  
  - Original Message - 
  
From: 
Chris 

To: 
felvtalk@vlists.net 
Sent: 
Monday, January 24, 2005 11:16 PM
Subject: 
RE: Kerry, how is Levi today?


Its Ace 
Promazine-10mg. You could check doseage as I used 1 pill (theyre 
small) that I put in Pill Pocket. First time I gave it to him about 1 
½ hours before we were to leave  though it helped me get him in big 
crate that I had, it wasnt too much help at vet. By the time I 
got home, however, he really was very mellow  it turned out to be the 
first time I could clip his nails. Next time, I gave it to him about 3 
hours before we were to leave. By this point, he had taken to sleeping 
on my bed  I put this soft sided carrier I have up there next to him, 
and he sort of went in to sleep by himself. Once I knew he was asleep, 
I just quietly  quickly zipped up the opening. He wasnt happy 
but so mellow that he just went back to sleep, Vet visit was a whole 
lot easier. Big Boy will let me do just about anything to him except 
pick him up to hold him or trim his nails so the Ace really came in 
handy. Vet gave me a small supply so I have in case of 
emergency. After effects were just that he was staggering a little but 
he ate, went to the box when we got home  then just slept thru the 
night. Its not a drug that will knock him out, just sort of makes him 
a little groggy  mellow. Wish I had some of that when he goes to 
the vet!


Chris
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
-Original 
Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
On Behalf Of MacKenzie, Kerry 
N.Sent: Monday, January 
24, 2005 5:26 PMTo: felvtalk@vlists.netSubject: RE: Kerry, how is Levi 
today?


Yes, 
that would be great Chris, if you could check the name/dosage. Maybe I'll do 
a trial run tonight with Levi and if it's impossible I'll ask vet about 
picking up the 'ace' meds. I have got to get him to the vetsomehow. 
Thanks! Kerry
-Original 
Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
On Behalf Of ChrisSent: Monday, January 24, 2005 4:20 
PMTo: felvtalk@vlists.netSubject: RE: Kerry, how is Levi 
today?
It is 
virtually impossible for me to get BB in carrier so vet gave me some pills, 
ace something or otherI give him ½ a pill about 3 yours before  put 
the carrier on the bed where he generally sleepsI think that because the 
pill makes him a little groggy  he curls up inside the carrier

RE: Levi not eating, sitting in one of the litter boxes

But his hiss may be worse than his bite, I would just get him and if you get bit, which I am sure will not be the first time, at least he will have something in his belly.
Cherie"MacKenzie, Kerry N." [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Thanks Cherie. I'm torn--he so obviously doesn't want it. But yes, i will try the nose idea. He's feral, and he's got enough energy to still hiss at me and let me know I'm out of line. Kerry

-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Cherie A GabbertSent: Tuesday, January 25, 2005 9:13 AMTo: felvtalk@vlists.netSubject: Re: Levi not eating, sitting in one of the litter boxes
I am just catching up, have you tried a tounge depressor to put food in his mouth or put some on the tip of his nose and he will lick it off. Sitting in the litter box, could mean he is having problems going to the bathroom, but it also could mean it is close. The reason why they sit in it is because it is secure with the four walls surrounding them, gives them comfort. Good luck, you guys are in my thoughts.
Cherie
Kerry MacKenzie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:




Thanks very much Chris. I'll print this off tomorrow.
I just went in to see Levi and play with the others (they'd already discovered the new toy I bought on Friday and managed to unwrap it, but just couldn't unclip it from the packaging!). Anyway, Levis is now sitting in one of the litter boxes. He's been there for at least half an hour now. I know that's not good. I'd welcome any info/comments. He's still alert, but not eating. I pray he's drinking. The vet did say his kidneys and liver were fine, but how long can that last with so little food? The last big helping he had of sour cream was this morning--probably about 2 tablespoons. What if he doesn't eat tomorrow? Can he last till Wed morning?
thanks in advance again, Kerry



- Original Message - 

From: Chris 
To: felvtalk@vlists.net 
Sent: Monday, January 24, 2005 11:16 PM
Subject: RE: Kerry, how is Levi today?


Its Ace Promazine-10mg. You could check doseage as I used 1 pill (theyre small) that I put in Pill Pocket. First time I gave it to him about 1 ½ hours before we were to leave  though it helped me get him in big crate that I had, it wasnt too much help at vet. By the time I got home, however, he really was very mellow  it turned out to be the first time I could clip his nails. Next time, I gave it to him about 3 hours before we were to leave. By this point, he had taken to sleeping on my bed  I put this soft sided carrier I have up there next to him, and he sort of went in to sleep by himself. Once I knew he was asleep, I just quietly  quickly zipped up the opening. He wasnt happy but so mellow that he just went back to sleep, Vet visit was a whole lot easier. Big Boy will let me!
! do just
 about anything to him except pick him up to hold him or trim his nails so the Ace really came in handy. Vet gave me a small supply so I have in case of emergency. After effects were just that he was staggering a little but he ate, went to the box when we got home  then just slept thru the night. Its not a drug that will knock him out, just sort of makes him a little groggy  mellow. Wish I had some of that when he goes to the vet!


Chris
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-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of MacKenzie, Kerry N.Sent: Monday, January 24, 2005 5:26 PMTo: felvtalk@vlists.netSubject: RE: Kerry, how is Levi today?


Yes, that would be great Chris, if you could check the name/dosage. Maybe I'll do a trial run tonight with Levi and if it's impossible I'll ask vet about picking up the 'ace' meds. I have got to get him to the vetsomehow. Thanks! Kerry
-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ChrisSent: Monday, January 24, 2005 4:20 PMTo: felvtalk@vlists.netSubject: RE: Kerry, how is Levi today?
It is virtually impossible for me to get BB in carrier so vet gave me some pills, ace something or otherI give him ½ a pill about 3 yours before  put the carrier on the bed where he generally sleepsI think that because the pill makes him a little groggy  he curls up inside the carrier  falls asleep. The doseage is never enough to knock him out or anything, just sort of mellows him out to get more hands on for things he doesnt like to do (like the carrierwhich of course, he knows means the vet!). Maybe you can ask your vet about it. I can look up the name  doseage if it will help


Chris
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-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of MacKenzie, Kerry N.Sent: Monday, January 24, 2005 12:38 PMTo: felvtalk@vlists.netSubject: RE: Kerry, how is Levi today?


On the basis of your very helpful and specificemail Michelle I've made an apptment on Wed morning with the best doctor I've found so far for my ferals. I'm going to take the blood report that the housecall vet faxed and your email with me. 

I just hope I

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